Talk:Watchmen

2016 Watchmen Noir

Reprint with just text and ink, no color. Anyone have sources about this?

A concern regarding a lede statement's sourcing

Clearly one of the better articles at WP for the commitment of editor's here to sourcing its content. Brava/bravo, please, keep the faith, maintain the standard. Perhaps other articles will follow suit. I would only point out that the lede sentence stating that the work "is considered by several critics and reviewers to be one of the most significant works of 20th-century literature", content which seems to appear only in the lede where it is not explicitly sourced. Hence, it is impossible to check this content; moreover, it is prohibitively vague as a summary statement, given that the main body does not make clear the identities of these "several critics and reviewers". Note, the words "most significant" do not appear in the main body of the text, and so this seems to be an editorial statement of the sort that we do not allow. 2601:246:CA80:3CB5:185F:9DCA:6CA3:C899 (talk) 18:12, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

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The abyss gazes also

So I'm googling for a phrase somewhere along the line of "if you stare into the abyss ... the abyss stares into you" or something like that, that I'm fairly sure is a garble-remembered quote from Friedrich Nietzsche, but nothing has a match (reinforcing my awareness of how garbled my memory of it is), though some of the search hits seem to suggest I should try "gaze" rather than "stare", which leads me to try searching for "abyss gazes" and Wikipedia has a hit (Yay ! promising … at first sight) but it redirects here and nothing on this page uses either the word-fragment "abys" nor the word-fragment "gaze", even though the page claims to be the redirect for "The abyss gazes also" (which does sound plausibly like what I'm semi-remembering from four decades ago).

That is seriously broken. If the redirect doesn't mention the quote, redirect the phrase to some page of quotes that does. If (I'm quite mistaken, as is the redirect. and) Freddy didn't say something relating to over-extended attention to abysses, then this page shouldn't be where the phrase redirects. 84.212.137.158 (talk) 21:08, 11 August 2019 (UTC) Eddy.

A little further searching suggests this would be a better target for the redirect ! 84.212.137.158 (talk) 21:20, 11 August 2019 (UTC) Eddy.

(Also: WTF Wikipedia ? My initial search (now that I wade back through history looking for how I got here) asked me whether I really meant "When you game into the abyss" !) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.212.137.158 (talk) 21:25, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

"The Abyss Gazes Also" is one of the chapter titles for this series, and that chapter has a translation of the Nietzsche quote at the end: "Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you". While Wikiquote would be a better target, we don't really do cross-project redirects here. So I'll just point it to Nietzsche's main article. Thanks for bringing this up. Opencooper (talk) 01:59, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Guys, it helps to know some German (yes! there are people on this planet that do not grow up speaking English!): „Wenn du lange in einen Abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund auch in dich hinein.“ and the book is Jenseits von Gut und Böse (Beyond Good and Evil). 2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:9934:DC88:64D9:99F3 (talk) 15:10, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Language

Sorry to sound like an old lady, but could you please avoid profanity 'WTF Wikipedia'. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ooh Saad (talk • contribs) 13:33, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

WP is not censored; we don't purposely emphasis profanity but we do not strip it out if it is part of the work or how its covered. --Masem (t) 14:23, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Ooh Saad is referring to a comment in the section above this one, not content from the article. Argento Surfer (talk) 17:55, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

OK

Thanks but I was just saying it could be avoided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ooh Saad (talk • contribs) 09:55, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Five Schools of Thought

In the deluxe edition I have discovered Moore and Gibbons’s notes on the characters, in which they adumbrate the “radically opposing ways” of general perception of the world. Doc Manhattan “sees world as sub-atomic system”, Veidt “sees world as organism with him at centre”, and so forth. This would surely be valuable for readers (perhaps a brief quotation under each character’s heading?), but I am unsure how to cite preliminary notes included in a later edition. Perhaps the information is already incorporated but I do not see it. I would appreciate advice. Lightcaller (talk) 01:18, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

In a retrospective review, the BBC's Nicholas Barber described it as "the moment comic books grew up".

Sure, this is the sort of thing a journo would say, but does it warrant inclusion here? It is the sort of comment that betrays a complete ignorance regarding anything that is not produced in the English language. Obviously, if a comic only is a comic if it is written and first published in English, then fine. 2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:9934:DC88:64D9:99F3 (talk) 15:06, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

It's definitely not lead-worthy. There are better sources available to describe the sentiment. Argento Surfer (talk) 18:57, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

It doesn't even have to be non-English, the comment shows the lack of knowledge of comics in English as well. The comment adds nothing.Halbared (talk) 19:19, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

The New Frontiersman

I was surprised to find that there was no mention in this article (particularly in the Themes section) about how The New Frontiersman is a reference to the real publication The New American, and the editor and his assistant are a reference to the John Birch Society. It's unclear to me if the editor himself is supposed to represent Robert W. Welch Jr., but a quick look at the search indexes does show a similarity in terms of their depiction. Viriditas (talk) 07:23, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Rorschach's mask / dehumanization

Hi, I`m not sure if this has been raised as a topic before but... it strikes me that the reference on this featured Wiki page could be expanded slightly - the origin story of Rorschach`s mask (as outlined in detail in chapter 6, p.10 of Watchmen, in Kovacs' psychiatric interview, and also mentioned on Rorschach's Wiki page).

I believe that this key point is pretty fundamental to a deeper understanding of the character, and wider themes of dehumanisation within the text itself. Ie. Kitty Genovese's [1] [2](“the most cited incident in social psychology literature until the Sept. 11 attacks of 2001.” [3]) rape and murder, in front of several witnesses who failed to come to her aid (see footnote a)

I`m curious to hear from anyone about this topic (as well as a couple of other Watchmen points that seem to be missing from the main page, eg. regarding William S. Burroughs influence on the text, and the contemporaneous reference to the Tower Commission report at the very end of the text...)

Footnote

(a) The story was reported in this fashion in 1964, and repeated publicly by Harlan Ellison in 1988 Richard Move (talk) 12:41, 16 February 2024 (UTC)