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Capcom antagonists

I'll. Thanks to advise. Keep the great job. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 07:28, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Wow, tell me how, and I'll go for it. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 08:16, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

You know, usual procedure? From this state: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Isaac_Clarke&oldid=565529521 --Niemti (talk) 08:20, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

It's seens great. I'll start now, cleaning up the apperances/story, and after it I'll find more sources for reception and write it. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 23:31, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Shao Kahn

Niemti, why did you revert my edit on the Shao Kahn article? You provided no explanation. --DJ Eclipse (talk) 00:43, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Because uncyclopedic, no reliable sources, etc. Also, the whole article is about popular culture. --Niemti (talk) 04:08, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

NGE

Do you happen to know anything about the EVA games, or read Japanese, because I am having some difficulty in getting info on some of the older games? And one other thing, you know how Ryulong and Lucia forced the merger of the article on the GITS franchise, right? Ryulong is trying to do that with Neon Genesis Evangelion over at WP:ANIME. I believe you expressed your strong objection to that originally. You were correct in your assessment and the resulting mess has yielded to a complete drop in views from readers, 1/60th of readers assess information pertaining to the contents of the manga now. The list also wedges in the release and artbooks are such. While your area is really games, given your past involvement, I was hoping you could comment rather than me bring up your past stance as a rebuttal. You were one of 6 other people that objected to the merger of GITS, but they warred to keep it merged and I've been trying to undo the merge, but the problem continues. Not even comparisons to the Halo series and Harry Potter gets acknowledgement. Hate to beat the dead horse, but your continued input would be more valuable than me bringing up the past one. Or if you don't care anymore, I guess I could reference it unless you feel strongly about that. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 13:11, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Wow what a mass generalization as to why I don't think the franchise format works for these pages. Coming up with more things to discuss on an article doesn't change the fact that the franchise treatment is not necessary.—Ryulong (琉竜) 13:30, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm not a fan of the franchise, I only happen to have a film and some artbooks irl (and a lot of pics and such on a hard drive). I didn't even see the TV series. --Niemti (talk) 16:49, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

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Revert and edit summary?

Niemti, can I ask why you reverted my category addition since you didn't leave an edit summary explaining it? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 14:30, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Parent category. --Niemti (talk) 14:30, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Oh...Thanks for the reply then ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 14:33, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

GAs

Of course I want to reach the GA status for those articles. As I noted that there are a lot of critics about the "poorly written" sentences, the "non-clear and concise prose", the non-"competent enough" text, the first thing I will do is to request copy edits, and I advise you do the same. Cheers, Gabriel Yuji (talk) 23:53, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

It's either long fixed or was bogus compains to begin with. --Niemti (talk) 12:01, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Project V13

Please don't redirect an article that is the subject of an open AfD - it is the same thing as blanking, which is not allowed. Thanks. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 04:25, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Guy

I've started a talk page thing here. I'd appreciate a response. TheStickMan^[✆Talk] 14:46, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Vandalism

Please do not accuse other good-faith contributors of vandalism, as you did here. You may wish to review WP:NOT VANDALISM for details on what constitutes vandalism. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:49, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Cosplay images

As per the discussion on WT:VG and other talk pages, images of cosplay where the specific cosplay seen in the image is not acceptable for use on Wikipedia. The image must be discussed, or at least, be official: for example, a cosplayer hired by Tecmo to portray a Dead or Alive character would be considered acceptable, so long as the campaign that employed the cosplayer is discussed in the article. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 11:01, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

So apparently you expert people don't even know there's no such thing as "official cosplayers". OK. --Niemti (talk) 11:55, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

I guess my acknowledgment of official cosplayers - you know, the thing right above you - was not worth your acknowledgment. If you're going to be on Wikipedia, you need to show at least enough respect to others by actually reading the words that they're typing. With that being said, you reverted three image removals. Is it your contention that these three images depict official cosplayers hired by the characters' respective companies of origin? - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 12:04, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

There are no "official cosplayers". Cosplay is a hobby, not a job. I guess you think about spokesmodels, or at least promotional models ("booth babes"). It would be great if you people didn't voice opinions about things you're so misinformed of. --Niemti (talk) 12:05, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

You know, I suppose the best thing to do would be to say that we an just pretend that I said spokesmodels. There! Like magic, you have one fewer thing to nitpick about as a means of not having to defend yourself in this particular situation. With that out of the way, please explain to me the relevance of that one particular Zelda cosplayer has to the article, which mentions cosplay once as a general thing. It doesn't mention cosplay of Zelda by that particular person, much less cosplay of Zelda from Skyward Sword. Also, can you explain why the image used right now is superior to this image? Shows a closer, more detailed image, and focuses only on the Zelda cosplayer. How about this one? Heck, there's TWO Zeldas! That's gotta be good, right? - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 12:32, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Spokesmodels are promotion, not reception (apples and escalators). Of course it doesn't, as the cosplayer isn't even identified (as it should be, or esle it's a likely conflict of interests to promote someone that way). "Your" Zelda is already used in the infobox image (out of so many Zeldas, it would be again the same one), and as of a Man-Zelda: you've got to kidding me. --Niemti (talk) 13:54, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Cosplay spokespersons are hired due to their popularity and quality. Additionally, I don't buy the concerns presented here. As a reader, people may be confused that Zelda in the cosplay image isn't similar to the one in the lead. Therefore, we must change it. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 20:04, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

In that case, those theoretical easily confusable readers (ADD?) must be told in more clear terms in the article's lead that there are multiple different Zelda characters. --Niemti (talk) 20:30, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

So explain to me why this kind of discussion wouldn't happen every week. The image used is not objectively the best in the article, and since it isn't official or recognized by Nintendo, it has no staying power. Princess Zelda, Jill Valentine, and Samus Aran are literally impossible to pass FA with the images because the images by definition fail at being stable. Why is a back-shot of Samus the best image? Having images where quality is so subjective that people can argue for others is going to destabilize any article. By the way, care to tell me what relevance Jill or Samus' images have to their articles? Jill's doesn't discuss cosplay at all, and Samus' doesn't even have a source in the article that would imply that she's noteworthy cosplay. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 21:36, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

FA? Lolol, Jill was refused a GA because bogus "reasons" (before these images were even added, before you ask), Samus was somehow a GA and yet a horrible before I rewrote basically everything in it. And the picture of a fan (faceleslly back to the camera, because it's not supposed to show any an individual fan) is illustrating the paragraph about the popularity among fans - and obviously so. --Niemti (talk) 23:43, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

I've seen cosplay of many, many different things. I've seen cosplay of nearly every Pokemon. Pokemon species articles do not have someone dressed up as a Jigglypuff. Also, your struggles with the GA process are not a free pass to balk at its standards. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 00:20, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

If it's a popular pokeman to cosplay and/or among fans, and you see a Commons image that fits, then go and add it now. --Niemti (talk) 08:07, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

(indent) But it's not. There's no sources to show that - similar to how Jill Valentine has exactly zero sources that actually attest to her popularity as a source of cosplay. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 08:55, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

In fact, the Jill Valentine citation for cosplay is inherently misleading. At no point in the link does the author claim this. The assertion that she is a popular subject of cosplay was created on Wikipedia. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 21:38, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Really? So the linked gallery article full of different cosplayers is fake? --Niemti (talk) 23:43, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

No, but the suggestion that it corroborates the statement is, yes. What you're executing is synthesis. You're making the assumption that Jill Valentine is a popular subject of cosplay because there exists a gallery of images depicting people in Jill Valentine cosplay. The article never says that she's a popular source of cosplay at all - it's all an assumption on the editor's part. If a reader used that information, and had to cite it, they would be unable to do so, as the source would not stand as a citation of his or her statement. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 00:20, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Warning

Hi, you're the subject of discussion (again) at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games#Niemti in regards to your recent actions at The Last of Us. I'll repeat here what I said there: I personally agree that Plot/story are better headings than Synopsis/plot, but it doesn't matter, as either one is acceptable. That said, there is no need to get aggressive and combative about it- it's a non-substantive two-word change to the article. It's not worth picking a fight. You being aggressive and talking at other people via edit summaries and deleting comments on your talk page rather than having an actual discussion has been a recurring trend for you at Wikipedia, and I'm asking you to tone it down. There's no reason to have this escalate further (again). --PresN 19:06, 15 August 2013 (UTC) (an admin, if you've forgotten)

I never delete anything on my talk page (I actually archive literally everything, see at the top), I only started deleting after this dude deleted my warning on his talk page first, then started reverting me on my own talk page after I responded in kind. Well, he pissed off, eventually. --Niemti (talk) 19:15, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

To note, though, you didn't have the authority to revert him on his talk page with what you added, as things relating to - for example, image orphaning - can be removed without response or archiving. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 20:43, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

I stopped on his only after he's stopped reverting on mine (and in both cases, it was idiotic edit warring warnings from edit warriors (one of the most obnoxious things on Wikipedia), except he posted first, and started reverting first). Everything on talk pages can be removed without archiving. --Niemti (talk) 16:41, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Btw, I think you forgot to post the same on his talk page. --Niemti (talk) 19:17, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm talking to him at the WP:VG talk thread; I don't want to spread the discussion around too much, I just know you don't comment there. --PresN 20:01, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

FSB Alfa Group

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Wola Massacre - up to your old tricks

I see from your talk page you're still the cunt you were when you began ruining a perfectly good article that I had actually improved. here is the revert:

"this article isn't even correct - the mass graves are of the KIA fighters, the "references" fail verification, it's awkwardly written, it doesn't even discuss the largest massacres, and more"

I format my references. Son you are a real wiki loser, a loser who can't write, who can't think and can't respect. I look at this article now with its haphazard images stuck all over the page like a scrapbook, the disjointed writing and, more incredulously, the removal of references!!

But then again I look at this talk page and see a person who is punching way to far above their weight! My advice, take a break, get laid and do something else, as sure ain't helping this project disseminate clear and informed information.86.176.11.1 (talk) 16:29, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Chelsea Manning

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Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion

...is where you should go. Deb (talk) 14:47, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Genocide of indigenous peoples

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Memes in character articles

I know this might go pretty south removing it outright so I'm going to bring a discussion here first: the meme section on Jill Valentine has gotta go. While I know you're getting hammered on this article in the above discussion (and I do have to agree, that cosplay image adds nothing), those memes are more related to the game than to the character itself, and would work better in there to illustrate how the bad cutscenes in it have escaped into pop culture. They have little to do with Jill other than the fact Barry is terrible with words.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 07:18, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

It's an important part of truly "cultural impact" (backin the day, "cultural impact" sections on wikipedia was critical reception and merchandise, alternating with "reception and promotion" like if merch was promotion, which it isn't). When people hear "Jill Sandwich", they think Jill not RE1 (see the refs, like "Return of Jill Sandwich", which isn't about RE1), and not about Barry neither (again see the refs, Capcom use of these memes is also not about Barry). --Niemti (talk) 07:25, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

In fact, they're notable enough to even warrant an independent RE-lated article. --Niemti (talk) 07:33, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

I sincerely doubt that. Your sources aren't showing they're relative to the fictional character at all (which the article is about, a fictional character), and instead relate solely to the game as their origin. Jill isn't the one to say the lines, and nothing about them are entirely exclusive to her. It'd be like making an article for the villain of Zero Wing just because people say "All your base" and he happened to be the one saying it.

And for the love of Pete, do I really have to explain why statements by Capcom as to fan response isn't citable?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 07:40, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Really? http://www.destructoid.com/resident-evil-afterlife-sees-the-return-of-jill-sandwich-175200.phtml (about Jill in a film, not the games at all) http://uk.ign.com/videos/2010/02/18/resident-evil-5-lost-in-nightmares-x360-the-master-of-unlocking (about Jill in RE5, no RE1 at all), etc. And nothing about Barry, of course. It's just examples (by "reliable cources" and even in the titles, and the urls), welcome to the Internet. And yes, I guess you need. Also, cool original research and strawman arguments. --Niemti (talk) 07:45, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Throwaway bits in a title are suddenly proof enough? And I'll even point out that that's *one each*. Can you say that they have less to do with the game's honestly terrible dialogue and more to do with the character itself? Again I'll bring up the Cats example: if someone cites that meme and they slap his face on it, is "All your base" suddenly enough to warrant making an article for him? It has nothing to do with the character at all. If this were like Mudkip (where the character became recognizable in part because of a meme that in the end had nothing to do with the fiction behind it), that'd be another matter entirely. If you gouge out everything but the two throwaway sources, you have nothing to stand on. The fictional character of Jill isn't the cutscene, and she's not the reference to the cutscene.

And Capcom owns the character. It's the reason we don't cite official polls as absolute proof and statements like this. It's their property. While there's no evidence they fabricated such a statement or results, we don't have any proof they indeed didn't. That's the whole basis of WP:RS: third party sources from reliable sources that we can be sure are in no way related to the subject directly. That should be common sense.

Lastly, quit being hostile, it impresses no-one. You and I know well enough I could've gone over your head with this to WP:VG, talked about the significance there, and win or lose came to a conclusion that didn't make me want to slap you.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 07:59, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

It's not "one each", it's sample examples for you. Have less life, spend more time on the Internet, you'll find it's full of it (contrary to your assumptions backed by 0 sources of any kind). And yes, we do cite official polls, all over Wikipedia. --Niemti (talk) 08:04, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

If they're "all over the internet" and from reliable sources, then cite them in the article. The burden to prove it falls upon you, you know how the system works around here. Otherwise I'll take this to WP:VG, not out of spite but out of curiosity what the consensus is.. And yes btw, first-party sources have been brought into question before. There was a discussion awhile back on using Nintendo Power scores for Nintendo-based games for example you might look for sometime. Pretty sure NARH above was involved in that one.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 08:13, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Nope, I'm not going to waste any of my time for a completely needless search just to satisfy someone's arbitrary (and even undefined) quota. Here's a short GS vid on the memes, including a later use by Capcom in and outside RE: [1] and note how all the fanart used in the vid is all featuring Jill (as the chick says so) and not anything else but with characters from various games and not RE 1 and not necesserily Barry too, which is just your OR backed by 0 sources and I don't care. --Niemti (talk) 08:29, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

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Genocide of indigenous peoples

You can either revert your comparison of Ward Churchill to Barbara Mann or I will remove it as a WP:BLP violation. Unless, of course, you can show that Mann has been shown to have committed academic fraud through reliable sources, in the same manner as as Churchill was shown as committing academic misconduct and fired (through multiple, reliable sources). Mann has never had any suggestion of academic fraud nor has she been fired. Do not make such unsupported allegations or comparisons in the future. Regards, GregJackP Boomer! 20:26, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

"In response to Plaintiff counsel’s questions, Dr. Mann unequivocally said that—contradicting the Investigation Committee’s Report—there was indeed a “reasonable basis” for Churchill’s claim that the smallpox epidemic was a result of blankets taken from an infirmary in St. Louis, and the claim that army doctors at Fort Clark told the infected Indians to scatter. Dr. Mann is a repository of minute detail about those events. Consequently, she completely backed up all of Churchill’s claims and refuted the findings of the investigative committee." And so on. --Niemti (talk) 08:35, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Neither this source, nor the additional source that you listed on my talk page indicated that Mann was even alleged to have committed academic fraud. Additionally, you have taken one bit of the testimony out of context, omitting where Mann stated that she was not aware of any of the primary and secondary sources which Churchill claimed to use. Second, neither source is reliable, one being a blog and the other a blurb on an Amazon.com page.

Since you have not done so, I have removed the two WP:BLP violations that you had placed in the discussion. Do not re-insert them unless you can support that she committed academic misconduct, which the two unreliable sources you provided did not do. GregJackP Boomer! 10:34, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Quarter Million Award

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Thanks, man. I'd thought the readership was greater than that, though. ;) --Niemti (talk) 21:18, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

It definitely was last year, when it was so huge--readership's declining this year, sadly. Thanks again for your work on it-- Khazar2 (talk) 03:39, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Cosplay-hating IP editor

If you come across any more of the same, or if you know of a third IP address that this person has used, let me know. I've dropped a note about it on the talk pages of both the IP addresses that I know of, and if what he/she has done from those two is all there is to it then that is probably enough, but if there is more of it then it may be worth considering whether to take further action. JamesBWatson (talk) 21:14, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Nope

Please stop adding unreferenced or poorly referenced biographical content, especially if controversial, to articles or any other Wikipedia page, as you did at Talk:Genocide of indigenous peoples. Content of this nature could be regarded as defamatory and is in violation of Wikipedia policy. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. I've explained this several times. The sources that you are using to support your allegations 1) do not state what you allege in your comments, which is misrepresenting sources, are 2) defamatory about a respected academic who has supported her conclusions with detailed and thorough references, and 3) are disruptive. Consensus is clearly against what you are arguing. Please stop. GregJackP Boomer! 22:49, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

I never "misrepresenting sources". That's what other people in the thread do, however (for example, the obviously false claim of "they teach everyone" or 1 person and her class). Also you're wrong and the article's not in "biographies of living persons" - and btw she has no article at all (so respected). --Niemti (talk) 22:57, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Not taking a side or discussing the person in question, but BLP violations include any non-referenced potentially defamatory statement about a living person, regardless of what article the statement is in. Also, the presence or lack of a Wikipedia article does not infer anything about notability of the subject. --PresN 23:08, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

You may drop there and see how they want to ignore literally thousands of books in favor of one, the one incidentally dedicated for a person GregJackP himself called a "nutcase" - amd yes, Ward Churchill is alive, too (OMG BLP, better block GregJackP from ediying for that! or something). --Niemti (talk) 23:23, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

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There has already been a discussion that came to a consensus that you chose to not be a part of on the matter of cosplay images in general on WT:VG, with Jill specifically being targeted as having a particularly unacceptable use. We shouldn't have to form a second consensus one month later to reaffirm the consensus. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 02:30, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

If you remove an unfree RE1, pic you've got to use a free RE1 pic, to show what's discussed repeatedly in the article. The look's iconic, even if now old and outdated. --Niemti (talk) 06:50, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

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It's still "limited" (it's not like there's a gallery or whatnot), they all serve a functon. Oh and this one's free. --Niemti (talk) 18:07, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

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I just wanted to appreciate your research of sources in the Genocide of indigenous peoples article.  :) Elmmapleoakpine (talk) 00:36, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

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Hi, whey do you want to delete Category:Fictional Apache? Speedy delete has to have a reason. It it that the category has been empty for over a week? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:14, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Because Category:Fictional Apache people. --Niemti (talk) 09:20, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

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aren't you being the rude one here? you've reintroduced errors, added new ones... and added new content all the same. if you're going to own an article, at least do it some justice. Despatche (talk) 09:51, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

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Good day, Niemti, I see you reverted my edit, which was to remove the tag "This section requires expansion. (May 2011)" in the Plot section. Please can you explain why you believe further detail is required on the plot of the game? It seems to me that this section is already very well filled, especially for a video game, as the plot is frequently regarded as less essential than other aspects such as gameplay, technical aspects and critical/commercial reception. I'd be interested to hear your opinion. Thank you. Guffydrawers (talk) 10:30, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Nothing about the actual plot, including nothing about the ending. There's just a backstory/introduction. It also also practically nothing about the characters different than the protagonist (a few are only named). --Niemti (talk) 10:32, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

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Do not add them back, if you want the usage review WP:NFCR is where you go. Werieth (talk) 20:34, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

NO U. --Niemti (talk) 20:37, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

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Nope, "if you want the usage review WP:NFCR is where you go". Now you know. You're welcome. --Niemti (talk) 20:53, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

I know the policy you are in clear violation. Werieth (talk) 20:54, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Really? Do you also know punctuation? --Niemti (talk) 20:56, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Niemti, recently you "flattend" a 2-level hierarchical article structure to 1-level one. You seems to prefer this flat structure, could you please elaborate your reasons? Infact, I would prefere a "history" section including all related sub-aspects like the development phase, release phase, and after release legacy as individual subsections. regards Shaddim (talk) 10:28, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Because it's standardized layout? --Niemti (talk) 10:30, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

No, Video_game article guidelines give minimal standards and and hints only, not enforcing a exact structure ("Here are a few ideas for how to organize articles. These do not necessarily have to correspond to the actual section headers and divisions, and they are no more than suggestions. Do not try to conform to them if they are not helping to improve the article."). For this specific case: "Essential content [...] A "Development" or "History" section. Specifically for articles about games, it is essential to explain how the game was made. This information is highly useful in constructing articles on fictional aspects within a game as well." A History section including subaspects is completely OK with the guidelines and better fitting for this specific article. (But back to the original question, you seems to prefere a flat structure as you took out the sub-section "awards" from the reception section and the "characters" subsection from "plot" section. I would be really interested in your reasons here.) Shaddim (talk) 10:40, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

I've never seen any "history" sections before, anywhere. In films it's "production" and "release", in games it's "development" and "release". --Niemti (talk) 10:43, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

But I hope you would agree that the development and release phase are parts of a video game's history. Also, games have sometimes are more complicated history which can't be fit well just in two fixed sub-phases. E.g. I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream (video game) was developed, released, patched, for years in abandonware stasis and than surprisingly re-released. regards Shaddim (talk) 11:18, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

As is legacy, are you going to include the "legacy" sections in your "history" megasections? What about reception (reviews, sales) - isn't it "game's history" now too? Come on. Btw, history is a term that actually means something, a science no less (and so we have history of places, but "biography" for people, and "development" for games). --Niemti (talk) 11:33, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Reception is worth a independent section according to the guidelines Video_game article guide lines. Including some "legacy" parts (which are not reception) as subsection into the history section sounds indeed like a good idea. About hisotry, Software by its nature is more flexible and might have an extended, smeared or resumed development phase, e.g. think on patches which bring some development after the release phase. Therefore the history structure might become more complicated than with movies which have more or less two phases. regards Shaddim (talk) 11:54, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

No, no it's not "a good idea". I was being rhetorical and it was supposed to be an absurdically horrible idea (legacy sections are at the end of the article). Games are more phases, too, frequently "music", or "engine", or whatever. Release sub-sections are even more frequent. Some own GA examples because why not: Wolfenstein 3D, The King of Fighters '94, Mortal Kombat II, Another World (video game), Resident Evil 4. --Niemti (talk) 12:06, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

I would agree if you would mean with legacy ONLY the direct and indirect inpiration a game created. But we have many legacy sections which mix in history aspects (resumed development, re-releases, ports, patches, remakes, franchise sellings) which should be better separated and merged with a history section, e.g. Final_Fantasy_VII Shaddim (talk) 12:17, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Also "Impact", as it was used in Resident Evil_4, seems a better terminology than "legacy". Better separation to history/development. Shaddim (talk) 12:26, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

It's not really just "impact" when there's a full-blown remake/reboot and/or a whole series or something (like with my own Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee for example). Some games also have "legacy" messed up with retrospective reception (like with the first C&C where I only helped), but oh well, that's just how other people like to roll. --Niemti (talk) 12:40, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Indeed, I agree that sometimes legacy sections mixes in reception aspects, which is bad. But as you said, this is how other people like to roll. So I hope we can agree that history sections with a subsection structure including development, release etc are acceptable and sometimes appropriate. regards Shaddim (talk) 12:49, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Sometimes, maybe. But I see it as some strange comeback to the time where "development" (standard now) used to be called "development history". --Niemti (talk) 13:01, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

As you asked for examples for video game articles with a history section, here are some: Tutankham, Quadrun, NFL_2K, Nibbles (video game), Future Pinball, Starsiege: Tribes. Please take a look on the last one, Tribes, as another example for a too complicated history which fits not well into "development" and "release" only. regards Shaddim (talk) 11:29, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

And literally thousands that don't (and actually I didn't ask). --Niemti (talk) 11:32, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

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Before you revert again, please look at Wikipedia:Verifiability. Wikipedia strives for accuracy and note the article could also be in direct violation of other Wikipedia policies, namely Wikipedia:BLP. Given the nature of the article, I don't think the article is at risk of running afoul of other policies, but references are a must. Thank You. --293.xx.xxx.xx (talk) 07:51, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Don't cn-spam unless you have real objections. Citation unneeded because THERE IS A LINK TO THE WHOLE ARTICLE ON WIKIPEDIA in each case (and where there even usually pictures of those people in cosplay). --Niemti (talk) 07:59, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

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Just in case you didn't see my reply in the Talk page, I wanted to just ask that you back off from accusations of bias in Talk:Sega Genesis. The needless accusations (which admittedly have been much harsher coming from other people) really don't help anything at all. Instead, we have been asking editors to actually bring new information to the table - point out real sources that refute the apparent American bias. Quote passages from UK, Asian and Australian press that go into more depth about significant issues surrounding this console in those regions. Give us something to work with! Don't just complain, like virtually everyone else has, that the article has flaws - that ship sailed more than half a decade ago.

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Game characters

Hi, Niemti. You may know I'm not a native speaker, so even for me they look good articles, I can't tell you if these articles are good-written enough to GA status. However, as I already advised you, you can ask for copyedits at the request page of the WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors. I'll take a break from Wikipedia (In fact, recently, I'm entering seldom here), but I desire good luck for you in these attempts. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 01:38, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Wing Commander organization

Hi Niemti, your recent change to a Development/Release organization instead of a sub-sectioned History organization which is in this case inferior as the chronological order is broken. Any good reasons for doing so? If not, I will revert it back according to Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Article guidelines which recommends "Organization [...] History: discuss development, release, impact, critical response, etc. This can easily be several different sections." Also, fixed organization styles should be explictely not enforced as stated also there "Do not try to conform to them if they are not helping to improve the article." So there is not standard to enforce. regards Shaddim (talk) 16:17, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

"History: discuss development, release, impact, critical response, etc. This can easily be several different sections." - lol? Who and when wrote this crap? There are no "history" sections anywhere. --Niemti (talk) 16:20, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Niemti, we discussed that already, I gave you examples of existing articles with "History" and also this is the accepted policy. Please comply to it. regards Shaddim (talk) 16:23, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

I just recently checked nearly 1,000 articles while feeling this category: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Video_games_featuring_female_protagonists and THERE WERE NO HISTORY SECTIONS ANYWHERE. (Oh, and what I see? AFD? lol?). --Niemti (talk) 16:28, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Check your archive, I gave you examples. Shaddim (talk) 16:29, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Explain how I checked 1,000 articles and there was none. --Niemti (talk) 16:47, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Your anecdotal experience is, first, no proof and second not relevant. The Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Article guidelines states that a fixed organization didn't exist (recommendation was "history"), neither should be one enforced (what you do at the moment), instead the best fitting organization should be selected. So, if you don't have a good argument for the change of the organization, I will go to the former one as a "history" section preserves the chronological order. regards Shaddim (talk) 00:04, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Cool, a 'proof' for a 'good argument' for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Video_games_featuring_female_protagonists start clicking the articles, and you can check the history too, to see if there were any "history" sections that I 'vandalized'. It's nearly 1,000 articles since the early 1980s in almost all kinds of genres (except vehicle simulations). --Niemti (talk) 08:18, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

This point is irrelevant. As stated in the guide for good video game articles, the best fitting organization should be used, not a fixed one enforced. I gave you a reason why a "history" organization is superior for the discussed article ("preservation of chronological order"). Some good argument against? (Also, in our last discussion you agreed that history sections are acceptable and sometimes appropriate.) Shaddim (talk) 10:26, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

The point is revelant: this strange layout is not used practically anywhere at all. Anywhere. At all. And it's not even a good layout, you want to make too many sub-sections (sub-sub-sub-sections) for just single sentences of content (there shouldn't be even paragrpahs like that). --Niemti (talk) 10:35, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

I gave you examples of existing articles using this style, it is even recommended by our guidelines, therefore I will not discuss this point again. Please give a link to policies which states that sub-structuring two or three levels deep is "bad style". Shaddim (talk) 13:05, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

That you yourself wrote, I get it. A "bad style" is even writng paragraphs like that. --Niemti (talk) 13:06, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Your opinion is here not enough. Please back it with a policy or I consider sub-structuring as inside the author's freedom of writting or even as good style in contrast to a unstructured style of mixing everything up. Or as good style in contrast to a confusing style which ignores chronological order.Shaddim (talk) 09:36, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

MOS:PARAGRAPHS, "The number of single-sentence paragraphs should be minimized, since they can inhibit the flow of the text; by the same token, paragraphs that exceed a certain length become hard to read. Short paragraphs and single sentences generally do not warrant their own subheading; in such circumstances, it may be preferable to use bullet points. See also Wikipedia:Writing better articles#Paragraphs.", welcome to Wikipedia. --Niemti (talk) 11:36, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

The recommendation that the "number of single-sentence paragraphs should be minimized" gives just a lower boundary where to end structuring of articles, even some kind of recommendation for structuring (just don't over-do it). It states nothing about the hierachical depth of the structure of a article and is therefore more or less unrelated to the question. Shaddim (talk) 11:55, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

It has: don't do it, and especially, single paragraphs "do not warrant their own subheading." --Niemti (talk) 11:59, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

It gives just some lower boundary, where to end structuring, nothing more. As this seems to be the only "don't do" it is a recommendatino for strucuring. And again, the question was not about "single sentence paragraphs", the qeustion is about 2 level deep hierarchical structuring instead of a 1-level deep structure which breaks the chronological order. Shaddim (talk) 12:11, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

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Niemti I don't know what your problem is why did you revert my edit at Meantime. Because what I wrote was completely correct. EA did drop all claims that Fountain of dreams didn't have any connection to the original Wasteland. "English do you speak it?" What does that have anything to do with my edit? If there was spelling error you should have corrected it instead of removing the whole edit. KahnJohn27 (talk) 11:41, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

It made me rewrite practically everything. --Niemti (talk) 11:52, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

A "quasi-sequel" is a what-if sequel where it is like what would have happened if this event would have not have happened in the previous installment or if something would have changed. For example, Scarface: The World Is Yours is a quasi-sequel to the Scarface movie. In the game, Tony Montana's mansion is attacked as it is in the movie, however in the game Tony does not die but survives the attack and rises back to pwer. You are using the wrong word in the Meantime article. Simply sequel was correct by itself since the the only connection between the games was post nuclear apocalypse setting when the Fountain of Dreams was originally being marketed as sequel to Wasteland. It is a "kind-of" sequel.KahnJohn27 (talk) 11:21, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

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I tried merging but I failed so can you do it?

Since some new Street Fighter articles these are some redirects that need doing since I don't know how to do them. If anyone can help Thunder Hawk needs to be redirected to T. Hawk, Rose (Street Fighter character) redirected Rose (Street Fighter), Birdie (Street Fighter character) redirected into Birdie (Street Fighter), Yang (Street Fighter character), Yun (Street Fighter character), Yun (Street Fighter), Yang (Street Fighter) redirected into Yun and Yang and Sodom (Street Fighter) redirected into Sodom (Final Fight) and Guy (Street Fighter) into Guy (Final Fight).Dwanyewest (talk) 12:22, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Robin's Quest: A Legend Born

In this video game, Robin and her husband are arrested. She escapes from the jail, assembles a band of Merrymen and rescues her husband. This game should be on your list. It is not, but it is on a list of Video Games at WP:Robin Hood in popular culture. I played this game yesterday. Robin Hood's husband's role is so insignificant I can't even remember his name. I like it when you put "hero" in quotes because I often see female hero but not male heroine. I have two video games where only the hands of the main character are shown. Neither female nor male and I think it is to allow the player to decide for herself/himself. Would you add this game to your list and delete it from Robin Hood in popular culture? Thank you. Respectfully, Tiyang (talk) 09:24, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

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What is the reason of reverting the addition of Tira cosplay pictures to the Tira article? If you believe this particular picture isn't good then you can photograph another Tira cosplay and add your picture, but I think this is the only Tira cosplay picture we have. Cogiati (talk) 10:47, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

1. Wikipedia:Conflict of interest
2. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Tira_(Soulcalibur)

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• why is it conflict of interest? I specifically take pictures as a photographer to license them under Creative Commons for Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons, and I add the relevant ones to articles that need them. You can add another photo to the article taken by other photographers or ask me to take new Tira cosplay photos if you don't like this one, but currently the article has no photo at all, or you could take your own Tira cosplay photo and add it. I don't think I will contribute any more photos to Wikipedia if you delete photos without reason. Cogiati (talk) 16:39, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Don't push your own work (pictures). And it's not a deletion, the image's still in Commons. --Niemti (talk) 16:42, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

I specifically licensed this image under the Creative Commons license and put it on Wikimedia Commons to use it on the Tira-related or cosplay article on Wikipedia. I wouldn't have contributed it if it wasn't to be used on Wikipedia. The photo isn't particularly good, but I cannot provide my best photos under Creative Commons licenses (wish I could, though), unfortunately, but it's easy for me to license freely my not-so-good photos so I decided to give it a try. I didn't even put my photographer name or my weblink on the description so there's no promotion of my photography. Removing a photo from a Wikipedia article just because the photographer added it doesn't seem helpful for the readers. Our mission here is to create an encyclopedia and provide useful information to the readers. If the photo is irrelevant to the article or could be replaced by another better photo that's fine. But to remove information simply because it was added by the photographer to me seems like counter-productive: the reader now cannot see how a Tira cosplay looks like. Also, I don't there is any motivation for me to continue licensing photos under free licenses and uploading them to Wikipedia and Commons if I feel I'm not welcome here so I decided to leave Wikipedia. Is removing a photo from the article the "thank you" for my volunteering and contribution? Bye. Cogiati (talk) 16:55, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

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I restored the critical analysis section of the Ghost in the Shell (film) page. Orbaugh is a major figure in academia and the discussions are in many numerous publications. She is not some blogger. Trust me on this. You might want to check her work and credentials out at this page if you are skeptical though.[2] I haven't gotten around to making an article on her, but her work is as good as Susan J. Napier's and it has really helped point out the deeper connections of Ghost in the Shell. Though, I also wanted to let you know that Ryulong broke off mediation and has tried once again to merge the Ghost in the Shell manga to the set index again while again attempting repeating the Dragon Ball anime merge a mere three days after the AFD closure. Thanks for taking a peek at the page before - I hope they both hit GA when this drama dies. Let me know if you need my help with something - I'm just going to be busy for a bit trying to save the pages from the fifth or six merge attempt that you, I and like 10 other editors opposed. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 22:55, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

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When I tried contributing my photos which I made available under free licenses User:Niemti removed them saying I shouldn't use my own work because it is a conflict of interest. So is the photographer of a photo not allowed to add the photo to a relevant article? But many photos I specifically produced them for adding them on specific Wikipedia articles, or I choose photos from my portfolio. I've produced hundreds of thousands of photos, the recent ones are more than 200,000 photos with full-frame and APS-C DSLR cameras, I wanted to test whether it makes sense to donate photos under free licenses, and apparently I wouldn't donate them or put them under free licenses if I knew beforehand Wikipedia doesn't accept photographers using their own photos on Wikipedia articles, I'd have preferred to keep my copyright as licensing photos for magazines/newspapers etc is what would keep me alive unless of course viewers of photos would want to paypal me or flattr me donations (in which case I'd prefer to fuck copyright anyway and let everyone use everything I create). I tested my idea to donate my photos by identifying some articles to which I wanted to add photos, then choosing relevant photos from my many-years collection or producing new photos specifically for the articles I wanted to add my photos, and I added the photos only to see them removed. Even when I tried to add photos to the articles taken by other photographers, they were removed, indicating some editors apparently had a personal issue with me. This is the reason I left Wikipedia and decided to fork the articles to which I want to add my photos and make them available thru my site. I admire the idea of a free encyclopedia as well as free photography, but I don't think it's good idea to let editors claim a conflict of interest when they see a photographer using his or her own photo in an article, it really destroys all motivation and all willingness to become part of the community, and instead drives people like me to fork the project, copying the Wikipedia articles and including the photos I want to put, and publishing the result independently but excluding the editors or the community and policies or culture which prevented me doing that as part of the Wikipedia community. Cogiati (talk) 22:31, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

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User:Binksternet's opinion from the above talk page is there's no conflict of interest when a photographer adds their own photo in a Wikipedia article. Cogiati (talk) 23:02, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Niemti, I haven't really played any of the main Ultima games, but I know in both of the Worlds of Ultima games (Savage Empire and Martian Dreams) the main character, the Avatar, is always male. I suspect it's the same for the regular Ultima games. Defined very broadly, they may still belong in Category:Video games featuring protagonists of selectable gender, as they do have female characters the player can take control of. A player could even have them lead the party as a default, though the main protagonist will always be male. The category seems more useful for games like the Fallout or Elder Scrolls series, i.e., those with customizable protagonists. Otherwise, the likes of Final Fantasy VII and VIII would seem to count, as there are parts in both games where a female leads the party. A scope note on the category might clarify things. What do you think? --BDD (talk) 22:04, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

• It occurs to me you may not have responded because there already is such a scope note there. The Worlds of Ultima don't fit those criteria; the character creation process determines your starting stats, but you play a male Aryan Übermensch regardless. Feel free to drop me a line if I've misinterpreted any of this. --BDD (talk) 20:31, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Copying within Wikipedia

Hi. I saw at WT:WikiProject Video games#Liu Kang in other media that you had created a number of in other media articles by splitting them from the character articles. Your creations were missing the edit summaries required by WP:Copying within Wikipedia and WP:Splitting#How to properly split an article. Please provide them in the future. Thanks. (I see that you have redirected some or all of the new articles.) Flatscan (talk) 05:29, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

I know you probably just resent me, and much of WP:VG in general, and probably don't care, but regardless, I wanted to say thanks for cooperating and redirecting the "in other media" articles. Thank you. Sergecross73 msg me 15:15, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

DOA5U Arcade character official spelling name

it's already confirmed the name as Marie Rose on official japanese website. do not undo to a temporary false spelling name or you'll be the one whose going to be blocked ScottKazama 12:03, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

You're the one falsyfying references? Good to know. --Niemti (talk) 17:06, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Falsyfying? Wrong. ScottKazama 12:09, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Yes, falsyfying. Including changing the article's title in the link. --Niemti (talk) 17:25, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Niemti, this video clearly has the name "Marie Rose" in English letters, and it's even in the video's thumbnail. You really should not rely on English language fansites for translations.—Ryulong (琉竜) 18:38, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Battletoads

Hi. I see you've jumped into editing Battletoads (video game). Now, I just wondered, what was with the ":|" summary in the edit in which you removed a bunch of stuff? AFAICT, in your subsequent edits you ended up incorporating most of it back, so in the end the text is pretty much the same as when I left it, only organized differently. Did I miss anything? Cheers! --uKER (talk) 17:52, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Hey good on you for getting rid of the fan art on Rikimaru's page. Also thanks for sticking up for the truth on the Dark Secret and Polygon Magic pages. NOT! Where were you on that one? I thought you'd have my back.

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International cosplay photos to balance US-centric article

Images from cosplay conventions at various countries are needed in the cosplay article to illustrate the international reach of this wonderful hobby. Reverting the addition of an image which helps illustrate this international appeal of cosplay doesn't help to balance the predominantly American focus of various articles, including the cosplay article. I don't think that having pictures mainly from US cosplay conventions helps to create an internationally balanced encyclopedia. Cogiati (talk) 10:55, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

It'sx not "US-centric", there are pictures from Japan (2), France, Russia. --Niemti (talk) 11:05, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Southern Europe isn't represented though, the addition of a photo from Greece would balance the article. Cogiati (talk) 12:09, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

No one cares. There are no pics from the Central Europe too, I'm from the Central Europe, yet I don't insert my pics into the article for this stupid "reason" (while there are thousands of my pics on Facebook alone). Please go away. --Niemti (talk) 12:13, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Photos to show the impact of cosplay on the media

The article cosplay currently doesn't have images that show the media interest in cosplay conventions, photos showing journalists interviewing cosplayers would be very good. Cogiati (talk) 03:19, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

It wouldn't. Let it go. --Niemti (talk) 11:14, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

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Pic to illustrate media interest in Tira cosplay

MTV Greece journalists interview a cosplayer dressed as Tira at a comics and cosplay convention

I think this picture (it shows famous local cosplayer Sofia Koutsouveli aka Sofia Lucifairy, the winner of Comicdom 2011 competition, she also happens to be my model in many pro photoshoots I've produced) would be good to add to the Tira (Soulcalibur) article to illustrate the media interest in her Tira cosplay as television journalists as well as many other photojournalists interviewed her and photographed her for her Tira costume whe made herself. I think the fact that a Tira cosplayer was interviewed for major television station is significant and it shows the impact of Tira outside videogames. In fact lately Tira cosplays are becoming much more usual here and the interview was discussed a lot in the local cosplay community, inspiring many other cosplayers to pursue dressing up as Tira. Cogiati (talk) 12:14, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

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Jessica Nigri

Hi. Please do not add or re-add unsourced or poorly sourced information to Wikipedia, as you did when you reverted my edits to Jessica Nigri. Webites with user-generated content, including YouTube accounts of uncredentialed users, Facebook fan pages, WordPress blogs, etc. are not reliable under WP:USERG, and notability of an article's topic must be established through secondary sources, and not the subject's own websites, which are both primary sources and self-published, which has nothing to do with the gamescon issue. Since you've accumulated over 64,000 edits over the course of the year in which you've been editing Wikipedia, you should know this. You would also know this if you bothered reading my edit summary and the policies I linked you to in it, which is rather ironic, given your obnoxious "learn2read and learn2hear" comments, which clearly violate WP:CIV.

If you have a valid, policy-based rationale for reverting another editor's edits, then provide it in your edit summary, and if you and the other editor disagree, discuss the matter on the article's talk page, and invite other editors to join the discussion to garner a sense of the community's consensus. But splitting hairs over the minor issue of the gamescom casing does not provide any justification for restoring Facebook fan pages and YouTube accounts as sources, an issue you did not address in your summaries. Do not engage in blind, knee-jerk reversions, as that constitutes edit warring, which is a blockable offense, as is your incivility. Nightscream (talk) 01:15, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

It's her own Facebook page, not "Facebook fan pages". I should better say: learn2listen (as for this interview). And it's you who are being obnoxious. --Niemti (talk) 01:22, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Self-published or questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, especially in articles about themselves, without the requirement that they be published experts in the field, so long as:

1. the material is neither unduly self-serving nor an exceptional claim;
2. it does not involve claims about third parties (such as people, organizations, or other entities);
3. it does not involve claims about events not directly related to the subject;
4. there is no reasonable doubt as to its authenticity;
5. the article is not based primarily on such sources.

These requirements also apply to pages from social networking websites such as Twitter, Tumblr, and Facebook.

kthxbye. --Niemti (talk) 01:23, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Oh, the "notability of an article's topic was established through secondary sources" already many months ago back ,when it was smaller than 10 kb, even before she even started professionally modeling on the scale she does it now (there was an AFD and it passed). And welcome to Wikipedia. --Niemti (talk) 01:30, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Regarding your latest revert of my edits in which you stated in your edit summary, "goto WP:USERG, press ctrl+F, type "facebook" in the search bar, learn2read", as well as your similar message above:

• First of all, the passage you indicate states, "These requirements also apply to pages from social networking websites such as Twitter, Tumblr, and Facebook" is irrelevant, since a Facebook fan page is a user-generated source, and not a self-published source, since a self-published source would be Nigri's own Facebook page, and not a fan page. A fan page, however, being a user-generated source, is not reliable under WP:USERG, which is part of Wikipedia's Reliable Sources policy.
• Second, even if the Facebook page were a self-published source, then the portion of WP:SELFPUB that you point to would clearly support my position, not yours, since the passage states that the prohibition on self-published sources also applies to social networking sites like Facebook. I'm not sure why you think it somehow bolsters your position, but it does not. If I'm wrong, please explain how.
• In addition to WP:SELFPUB, any source that originates from the subject, such as their own personal website, Facebook page, YouTube account, etc. is also a primary source. In addition to the need for notability to be established by secondary sources, articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources, as indicated by WP:PSTS. They can contain some primary or tertiary sources, but the accomplishments that form the bulk of it should not be secondary ones, which is clearly the case with all videos from Nigri's YouTube account (to say nothing of the all the other YouTube videos from accounts that do not appear to be reliable sources). So whether notability was established months ago is irrelevant. There's nothing wrong with relying on primary sources for innocuous, non-self-serving or non-aggrandizing information like where the subject is from or where they grew up, as I do this myself in BLP articles. But anything goes to the reason why a subject is notable, regardless of whether sources already in the article were sufficient during an AfD, needs to be a secondary one. An article only needs two or three secondary sources to qualify for notability, but that doesn't mean that everything after that should be a primary source free-for-all.
• You did an apparently blind, mass-revert of all of my edits, and not just the removal of the Facebook fan page cites. You did not address the issue of the YouTube videos, the missing citation publication information that I added to some citations; wikilinks; etc. By reverting all that material without providing a rationale for it or discussing it, you are engaging in edit-warring, which is a blockable offense.
• Lastly, you are continuing your violations of Wikipedia's Civility policy with your rude "learn2read" remarks, which is also a blockable offense. If you feel that I've been obnoxious, as you indicated above, then please quote the statement or statements on my part that you feel fit this description and we'll discuss them.c

If you have a specific counterargument, then please provide it in a civil manner, either here, or on the article's talk page. Otherwise, the next time you violate WP:USERG, WP:PSTS and WP:SELFPUB by restoring material supported only by self-published, userg-generated or primary sources, WP:EDITWAR by doing reverts without discussion, or and WP:CIV with your rude comments, you will be blocked from editing. Please familiarize yourself with the linked policies and guidelines and make an effort to resolve your conflicts with other editors in a civil manner. If you cannot do this, you will not be permitted to edit here. Nightscream (talk) 02:02, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

I have specific counterargument: I don't violate any WP:SPERG. Go and see where's the only (1) instance of "Facebook" on the entirity of Wikipedia:Verifiability, before coming up with any sort of pseudo-rules you imagine next. --Niemti (talk) 02:10, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

I do not what you mean by WP:SPERG. Did you mean WP:USERG? Please clarify. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 02:13, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Click your own link. Come on. Find "Facebook" there, on this page. Come back to me and appologize very, very nicely. And yes, all of these YouTube videos there are perfectly fine. After an aplogy, revert yourself (including your "the missing citation publication information" that wasn't needed and wikilinks that weren't needed).--Niemti (talk) 02:15, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

I provided many links. Which one are you referring to? If you want to reference a particular passage on a policy or guideline page, then why not do so? If you're referring to the passage at WP:SELFPUB, that passage indicates that that policy also applies to social networking pages like Facebook, which I pointed out to you above. So a Facebook page is out, whether it's Nigri's own page (which is prohibited by both WP:PSTS and WP:SELFPUB), or a fan's page (which is prohibited by WP:USERG). If I'm misunderstanding you, then please elaborate.

Those YouTube videos are not "fine". Anyone can post a YouTube video. That's why it's called user-generated content. Anyone who's been editing here for any significant amount of time knows that any webpage that can be created by a non-credentialed, anonymous web user is not considered reliable under WP:IRS. I'm surprised that someone who's amassed the edits you have in a year does not know this. But if you don't believe me, by all means, ask other experienced editors and admins. Or ask the Reliable Sources Noticeboard.

The publication info of a cited source, such as its author, date, title, publisher, etc. is indeed needed, which is why there are parameters for that information in the citation templates used on Wikipedia, and is an integral part of Wikpipedia's Citing Sources policy. Saying that it is not necessary to give the publication info of a cited source not supported by the widespread practices of the editing community here.

As for your request, you've insulted me, and repeatedly, and have offered no response when I asked you to provide instances in which I was not civil to you. And even if I had been rude to you, you certainly have offered no words of regret for your own unjustified condescension, while I've tried to keep this discussion cordial. So I see no reason for an "apology". Nightscream (talk) 02:28, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Click either "WP:USERG" or "WP:SELFPUB", it's the same page. Then find "Facebook". It's there. Find it. Read it (do it carefully, if you can't read it normally and understand properly). Then revert yourself and apololize, in this order. (There's no "Facebook" at "WP:PSTS" which is about the articles about "an event", while this is an article about a person.) And in case if you're a case of an edit warrior who really can't read, I take this to admins because this is ridicalous..) --Niemti (talk) 02:37, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

You are stepping over the line on NPA. --MASEM (t) 02:39, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

What? Oh, hey, you tell this guy. --Niemti (talk) 02:42, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Wherher it's listed or not, it's pretty clear that a FB account is going to violate SPS...by the definition of how FB operates, you know? Sergecross73 msg me 02:44, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Regarding your apology and revert: Do it ASAP because it's an article that's "7035 in traffic on en.wikipedia.org" and you inflicted a lot of damage to it and to my hard work. If you want an apology, then you're going to have to explain two things:

• The statements on my part in which I was incivil towards you.
• The reason why I owe you an apology, but you do not owe one to me, when your comments have been far more unambiguously and repeatedly incivil than mine.

I have no problem admitted when I'm wrong, and apologizing when appropriate, and have done so before. But you don't get an apology by merely dogmatically demanding it, especially when you refused to answer my point above regarding where I was incivil and about your own incivility. The traffic experienced by the article does not change this.

As for your "hard work", your hard work was adding 90 self-published sources, primary sources and user-generated sources to an article, which outnumbers the 76 or so that did not unambiguously violate those policies (which include some that I left in the article simply because I wasn't sure about them). I'm sorry that you had to see your work undone. But sometimes it happens on a collaborate project like this, and if it makes you feel any better, I've had to see my work undone, particularly during my early days editing here. But when editors familiarize themslves closely with the most important core policies and guidelines, this is less likely to happen on a large scale.

Click either "WP:USERG" or "WP:SELFPUB", it's the same page. Then find "Facebook". It's there. Find it. Read it I have. And I responded to this point of your repeatedly above by quoting the passage in question (as have you), which states that the policy that prohibits self-published sources also applies to Facebook. If this is wrong, then explain how. Merely repeating "search for Facebook, search for Facebook" ad nauseam does not constitute an explanation. Please elaborate on why you think that passage supports your position, rather than mine.

...if you can't read it normally and understand properly... I notice you spelled the word apologize as "apololize". Does that count?

Since you have refused respond to my questions or requests for clarification directly, and continue to violate WP:CIV, I will not continue this discussion. I will not return here unless you contact me on my talk page to inform me that you will cease your rude comments, and directly respond to my points. And if you attempt to revert the article, you will be blocked, and the article may be protected from further edits. Take care. Nightscream (talk) 02:46, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Jesus Christ you dudes: "Self-published or questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, especially in articles about themselves, without the requirement that they be published experts in the field," (btw: I'm pretty sure jessica Nigri is "a published experts in the field" of Jessica Nigri, or cosplay npw seriously speaking) These requirements also apply to pages from social networking websites such as Twitter, Tumblr, and Facebook." Seriously. GOD. I CITED IT RIGHT THERE ABOVE ALREADY. HOW CAN IT BE ANY MISUNDERSTOOD I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL. I'm taking it to the admins. --Niemti (talk) 02:49, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Self-published or questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, especially in articles about themselves
But not if it's unduly self-serving, an exception claim, and/or the article is not based primarily on such sources. Since we're talking about 17 citations of that Facebook account, which supports much of the material in the article that goes directly to her notability, it's clearly a violation of that policy. Again, if her website or FB page were being used to support where she grew up or her date of birth, or her hobbies, that would be fine. But it's being used to support the very thing for which she is notable. For this reason, it can't be used.

I'm taking it to the admins.
I am an admin. And so is Sergecross73. And so is Masem. And yet, you responded to our attempts to discuss this with you with obnoxiousness, accusations that you refused to back up, and by dismissing everything we've had to say. But if you really have convinced yourself that all three of us are wrong and you're right, and that somewhere out there is an admin or admins that will support your position, then you have every right to solicit their viewpoints. Peace, Niemti. Nightscream (talk) 03:02, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

• I just checked what was going on at the page and was like 'huh' and now I see this? Are we really threatening Niemti with a civility block when there is the far worse Eric Corbett matter getting absolutely zero repercussions? Niemti can be abrasive, he can be rude, but he takes this very personally and I see little value in tagging citation needed to the conventions name in the table. WP:CIVIL needs to be explicitly defined or enforced equally because Niemti is emotionally hotheaded and always responds in this exact same manner. Yes, most of those cosplay appearances are not really that important and Negri does have extensive coverage, but this is looking like tit for tat.[3] I'm going to clean this up a bit - so how about both Nightscream and Niemti chill out for a moment and let some third parties facilitate some resolution? I'm going to start by removing the fact tags on the name of the event, but not the cosplay associated on the right side. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 03:45, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

Another admin chiming in. Whoa-oh-oh-kay, taking everything I see from least to most important:

• When you cite a source that's been archived at web.archive.org, the publisher in the citation is the original site, not the archive mirror.
• Really? You're going to list and cite every single time she's dressed up for an event? That's the most unmanageable/unwieldy table I've seen in a long time.
• Really though, you can just say she's cosplayed at dozens of events as dozens of characters; you don't need to list every single combination.
• Citing Nigri's personal facebook page is fine, I guess, even if she named it the "Jessica Nigri Fan Page", as long as you're not relying on it to support notability... but seriously, you're using it to cite minutia that doesn't belong in the article. This is an encyclopedia article, not a fan page- she already has those! You don't need to cite every cosplay she's ever done, and you can base her notability on the interviews she's given.
• And the big one... I'm utterly shocked (not) to find that Niemti is, once again, in a screaming match with someone. You need to cut out the "learn2read and learn2hear", "WP:SPERG" (he didn't catch it, but I did), the all-caps, and the usual brow-beating of anyone who disagrees with you. You turn every discussion into a fight, regardless of who is correct about what point, and you refuse to read other editor's points or even consider that they could be right about any part of what they said. This is the exact thing that got you banned from WP:GAN and got me to block you before; I'm perfectly willing to do it again. I don't really care about the state of one over-blown article about a model, but I do care about people creating an incivil and abusive environment, since that's the kind of thing that pushes editors to retire. Cut it out, now. Last time I said that I would double the block length each time; since it's been a while I'm dropping it back down to two weeks for the next time you start freaking out, but I'm perfectly willing to ramp it up again. --PresN 03:51, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

If other members of the community have been aware that Niemti has been acting this way for some time, then they should've addressed this matter then. Saying that he takes his personally and "always" responds this way does not excuse his behavior, but makes the community's lack of response to it even more egregious, and to downplay Niemti's completely obnoxious remarks towards me is inexcusable. I do not know who Eric Corbett is, but if his behavior has been similar or worse, then he should've been similarly admonished. If you need to me to intervene as an uninvolved admin in some matter regarding his behavior, then let me know.

As for the citation tags on Nigri's cosplay appearances, those appearances go directly to the reason why she's notable. I tagged the convention names as that is where citations should be placed regarding her appearance at them. I tagged those on November 15, and if they're not sourced by December 15, I'm moving them to the talk page, until they can be sourced. That is not "tit for tat". That's the upholding of all the policies regarding sourcing. You can't say that there's extensive coverage without putting citations of that coverage in the article. Personally, I lean toward agreeing with User:PresN, in that every appearance doesn't have to be listed. But if anyone thinks her appearances should be listed, then they need to be sourced, and with reliable secondary sources, and not with her personal Facebook page, since that violates WP:SELFPUB and WP:PSTS, as 17 citations of that Facebook account were used to support the reason for which is notable.

As for third party intervention, well, two other admins have chimed in here as well, and Niemti has pretty much dismissed everything they said. Nightscream (talk) 04:05, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to say this Nightscream, but based on the comment about Eric, I take it that you do not regularly visit the drama boards and given that matter I'd suggest staying far away from it. Niemti is allowed to cite certain things under SELFPUB, and that typically includes "I wore X at Y; see these pictures" because unless you believe the pictures are fake, the images are a reliable source to state that she wore X at Y and the publication of that photo is a credible source for that very obvious claim. Does every appearance need to be listed; no, not by a long shot. I'd like the ones for which are most notable or have garnered awards. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 20:21, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

No, she's notable for other reasons than simply 'attending conventions while in a silly costume', this is what thousands of other girls do and they're not notable for it alone. She's notable beyond that. But if any of these girls became cosplay celebrities (so they themselves become event attractions through appearing in their costumes like this thing tommorow, for example), their cosplay stuff would be notable too. And cosplayers' thing is their costumes. That's obviously. Just like you don't usually skip over amatour films in an actor's filmography, a role is a role. (There are also non-event costumes, but that's just her private-ish stuff for fun and/or to sell merch.) I also don't know who Eric Corbett, so go with it to User talk:Eric Corbett. --Niemti (talk) 06:15, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

• See above for part of the response. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 20:21, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Why reverted my wikilink edits?

Hi, just noticed that you've reverted my edits in Spetsnaz and Spetsnaz GRU where I've added a wikilink to a (still inexistant) article about "Michael Svechnykov" which resulted in a red link, wihtout providing a rationale for that. My edit was consistent with other articles which link to the same subject; in addition there is nothing wrong in having a red link in an article if there is an intention to write that missing article.
As you haven't give a reason for undoing my edit, I'll reinstate the link unless there are very sound reasons not to do so; I understand that the name should be "Mikhail" and I'll keep this way. Kind regards, DPdH (talk) 23:49, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

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• However, as me and another user mentioned, we don't consider your actions or behaviour to be relevant to that specific arbitration case and this is nothing "against" you, so there is no real need to defend yourself. What should be posted is if you have further evidence of issues with Nightscream and/or you believe his behaviour towards you was inappriopriate for an admin (or the opposite if you wish to present evidence in Nightscream's favor, of course). ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 20:21, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

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Moved to User talk:MrScorch6200

 – If Niemti does not want discussion continued here, I have moved it to my talk if anyone wants to reply/add to it. --MrScorch6200 (t c) 03:17, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

• Listen this: Giraffe, poem by Nikolay Gumilev, music and song by Larisa Novoseltseva, with English translation. My very best wishes (talk) 04:11, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. And happy new year! --Niemti (talk) 02:33, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion declined: File:Dogmeat Fallout 3.jpg

Hello Niemti. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of File:Dogmeat Fallout 3.jpg, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The reason given is not a valid speedy deletion criterion. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 02:39, 21 December 2013 (UTC)