Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Foued Kahlaoui

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. The actual analysis of the references indicates that there are not sufficient reliable and independent sources to sustain an article on this subject. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 08:47, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Foued Kahlaoui

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Despite some coverage at local newspaper JSL here and here, very little coverage, practically no professional appearances, and subject fails general notability guideline. Paul Vaurie (talk) 20:12, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Paul Vaurie (talk) 20:12, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Tunisia, and France. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:23, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:25, 26 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I found [1], [2] (""The eccentric left" has come to make a name for itself in the North. Because in the South, this 23-year-old young man, born in Corsica, trained in Bastia, is referenced. If he could not win in Ligue 2 with Bastia (a few games, 1 goal), he has bounced back in the last two seasons with Gazélec d'Ajaccio. Foued Kahlaoui thus scored 9 goals in 2007-2008 and above all 14, this season, in the CFA. This boy, whose surname also hints at Moroccan origins, is leaving Corsica for the first time"), [3], [4], [5], [6] ("He took charge of the E3 team, and since then has made them progress with great regularity. His team is playing this season in Juniors D3, with a very promising first round, finishing 3rd and having the best attack with 77 goals scored."), [7], among many more French sources. Clealyr significant figure in French and Swiss lower league football who has Ligue 2, one of best second tiers in the world, experience. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 17:18, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 18:32, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails GNG with a lack of significant coverage. Once again interviews (tunisie-foot), articles from club websites (he played for and managed Signal) and routine coverage such as being fired are being passed off as sigcov. Clearly some scrub that somehow played in Ligue 2 before finding his natural level in the regional amateur divisions of France and Switzerland. Dougal18 (talk) 14:46, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Aren't merely "interviews" and "routine coverage such as being fired", I literally cited secondary coverage above. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 18:18, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nominator and Dougal18 as there is no in-depth secondary coverage in reliable sources (only one lejsl.fr article comes close). My favorite bit from the coverage linked above is this: Personne ne connaissait Foued Kahlaoui, pas même la plupart de ses futurs équipiers. Not exactly an endorsement of his notability ;) Jogurney (talk) 14:03, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Agreed with above that the first lejsl.fr article (what even is the second piece??) is the only source that approaches SIGCOV, and that is not enough to meet GNG, especially when so many of the sentences in the piece are redundant or unencyclopedic fluff. Maville is a transfer report. Tunisie-foot is a pure Q&A interview (why link it at all?). Proxifoot has a passing mention in routine transaction news. Signal is his club website. TDG has a single quote from him. These are not enough for GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 23:49, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep passes GNG with above sources.--Ortizesp (talk) 02:52, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, no offense but I feel like I've seen this exact AFD discussion hundreds of times at this point, always divided around athletes and what coverage counts towards GNG.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:34, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 01:22, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, concur with the inadequacy of sources cited above. Looking through the coverage, it is nothing more than a series of interviews and routine announcements filled with puffery that do not equal a GNG pass. Devonian Wombat (talk) 01:14, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I've found a couple more interviews and transfer coverage of him from national magazines, which is the extent I can do with basic internet searches. While my new sources don't meet GNG (at least this brief bit of news could be used to flesh out the article with prose) I think he's both notable enough as a footballer - dozens of professional games - and has generated enough requisite secondary coverage, including at least one WP:GNG-qualifying source, that someone could write a decent, notable stub about him. In terms of overall notability, though, he's right on the line. SportingFlyer T·C 20:04, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
But what is the GNG-qualifying source? I can't find one nor has anyone identified one. Jogurney (talk) 20:32, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The first one Paul Vaurie linked is fine by my assessment. The Maville article is transfer announcement but also covers him decently enough. I think we can keep on both of those alone, and then there are additional JSL mentions which we could write a start-class article on. SportingFlyer T·C 20:54, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Paul Vaurie that the JSL source is not adequate to establish SIGCOV, but I thank you for putting forward a policy-based argument in favor of keep. Jogurney (talk) 22:01, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Football, Tunisia, and France. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:10, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Of the eight sources currently listed at the article, three might constitute significant coverage: The first Le JSL article, the Dunkerque source, and maybe the Signal FC source. The interview from Signal FC includes an extremely concise biography and is not independent, as it seems he was coaching there at the time, so it doesn't count towards the GNG. The remaining sources, in my view, do not constitute significant coverage, as they only briefly mention Kahlaoui. Same goes for the source brought in by SportingFlyer. Since it doesn't seem there is enough information to write a thorough article that goes beyond simply where he played (WP:NOTDATABASE), I think deletion is appropriate.

WP:SPORTBASIC says that "Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. Meeting this requirement alone does not indicate notability, but it does indicate that there are likely sufficient sources to merit a stand-alone article." This contradicts my above reasoning, but the thorough searching done in the course of this discussion has convinced me that there are in fact not "sufficient sources to merit a stand-alone article". Thus, I still think deletion is most appropriate. Toadspike (talk) 21:45, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I completely disagree - there's easily enough here to write a start-class article. SportingFlyer T·C 22:14, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.