Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Karima Gouit

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The result was delete‎. There is consensus among views based on P&G that sources do not establish notability, regardless of popularity or number of followers. Owen× ☎ 22:33, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Karima Gouit

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Fails WP:GNG. There's hardly any reliable sources about this individual. I can only find her social media profiles, which fall under WP:SPS. Skitash (talk) 20:11, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Skitash (talk) 20:11, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers, Bands and musicians, Women, and Morocco. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:22, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This is entirely false. First, I have provided numerous articles from major news outlets on the talk page of Karima Gouit [1]. Second, she is a popular public figure with almost 10 million combined followers across all her platforms. I have listed multiple sources on the talk page from outlets that are recognized as reliable for non-academic matters WP:GNG, such as Le360 and Actu-Maroc.

Here are a few examples for you, that are of her "amazigh" work, not anything more than that, exactly what Skitash has been avoiding leading to this:

https://www.lesiteinfo.com/maroc/543568-karima-gouit-lance-une-chanson-amazigh-video.html

https://article19.ma/accueil/archives/161244

https://www.actu-maroc.com/krima-guit-premiere-aventure-en-serie-amazighe-pour-le-ramadan-2024/

https://ar.le360.ma/culture/3ORO6L3A3JGSZPD4ZNDBSWXHWU/

https://www.hespress.com/%D9%83%D8%B1%D9%8A%D9%85%D8%A9-%D8%BA%D9%8A%D8%AB-%D8%AA%D8%B7%D9%84%D9%82-%D8%A3%D8%BA%D9%86%D9%8A%D8%A9-%D8%A5%D9%8A%D9%87%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%86-1406136.html

https://fr.le360.ma/culture/serie-jorouh-la-comedienne-karima-gouit-pour-la-premiere-fois-aux-cotes-de-rachid-el-ouali-255629/

https://femmesdumaroc.com/archives/karima-gouit-et-noor-a-la-deuxieme-edition-des-saturday-night-fitness

and just one of the "many" relating to the subject of her talent show: https://ar.le360.ma/culture/189199/ , https://www.alaan.cc/article/73767/ and much much more in and outside these subjects.

More sources can easily be found if you search in French, Amazigh, or Arabic. This meets the criteria. Just because you couldn’t find much, I raised the matter of reworking the page to reflect her current popularity, as she is no longer mainly known for being a talent show contestant, but for her many songs and acting roles. These can be easily cited from the sites I mentioned. However, you dismissed it entirely, focusing solely on the argument over "NOT" including the translation of her name in Tamazight, which led you to try and remove her page, again, all because of the language she primarily speaks and uses in her songs. Still, I won't talk about your behavior on matters relating to this ethnic group wiki page as it's not of the subject. TahaKahi (talk) 06:18, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete I don't think it's an slam-dunk delete as I think it's fairly close, but that's the side I fall on. TahaKahi, you have not helped the case for her article at all - things like social media follower numbers are not relevant and many of these sources are really fleeting mentions. And if you didn't want to talk about Skitash's "alleged" behavior, then you don't talk about it at all; making a point to announce that you're not going to talk about it is literally talking about it, and WP:ASPERSIONS are supposed to be avoided. I think you're a good faith editor, but I don't believe that you really grasp the objections that several people have brought up. Have you considered refocusing on Amazigh Wikipedia? It has fewer than 3,000 articles, so it sorely needs help more than English Wikipedia does. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 09:05, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly, I’m not the most refined in writing in Tifinagh script, so I chose to focus on the English Wikipedia instead, as I major in English. My goal is to help refine a few subjects related to the Amazigh and revive the related WikiProject. As far as I see it, I will try to proceed more slowly with these topics, working carefully to ensure that everything is properly referenced from academic sources, especially when it comes to historical matters of the Amazigh.I’m currently working on a document to identify pages that are missing citations. I plan to rework these articles by adding proper citations, and once I feel it’s enough, I’ll begin drafting them. Unfortunately, I’ve been struggling with the Karima Gouit article, as, while she is popular, Maghrebi news outlets often write brief articles. Though such articles can be cited, they don’t always provide enough substantial information for a well-supported article.Beyond that, I’ve been trying to act in a more respectful manner and listen to the issues raised by Skitash. However, he has escalated a simple topic into a report on [2] and of course deletion of the page. This makes me feel that his behavior is not entirely in good faith. Nevertheless, I apologize if I come off as confrontational. It’s just confusing to me why this topic is being so overcomplicated for something so minor. TahaKahi (talk) 09:19, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. To put it concisely, this coverage is WP:ROUTINE at best. The fact this article has surprisingly little to say about the subject is telling. Allan Nonymous (talk) 13:08, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, I'd like to hear some new opinions about this article and, if we're lucky, a source analysis of references in the article and those brought to this discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:22, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Moroccan Ladies looks ok, more than a passing mention. The French version of WP:RSP has a note on le 360 [3], and that looks usable. There might be relevant stuff at [4] but the ones I looked at is mostly her talking about her. It's quite possible there are GNG-sources in French and arabic, but someone has to dig them out. They may not show up in Google as "news". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:44, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Non-notable singer. There isn't much media coverage about her, [5] is typical. She performs, but hasn't been a commercial success, so no charted singles, no awards won. Nothing in either .ma or .fr websites we can use. Oaktree b (talk) 20:23, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Releasing music isn't notable, we need to see charted singles or some critical notice, mostly we have confirmation of her singing only. That's not what we need for a wikipedia article. Oaktree b (talk) 20:25, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There seems to be coverage:[6], but if any hits here fits both RS and GNG is harder to say. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 04:51, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and it seems she was recently arrested:[7] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 04:55, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 05:57, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: There is some coverage in the Turkish media from around 2014, when she participated in the Turkish version of The Voice: [8], [9]. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 05:58, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Her Music Videos have several Million Views, (The top hit I have found had 16M on youtube, so approx. every second Moroccan has watched her music videos). She has 6M Followers on Instagram. Google unfortunately doesn't post the number of hits, Bing claims over 200k hits. Now we just need someone with Arabic and Tamazight knowledge to add some of these articles as sources. Arved (talk) 08:35, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Number of views doesn't matter, WP:GNG-good sources do. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:52, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's a difficult subject. Almost every singer from the Maghreb region has a similar level of coverage, mostly from local sources and usually in short-format articles. TahaKahi (talk) 16:32, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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