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Benjamin Netanyahu The International Criminal Court issues arrest warrants for Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu (pictured), former Israeli defense minister Yoav Gallant, and Hamas leader Mohammed Deif in its investigation of war crimes in Palestine. Forty-five pro-democracy activists are sentenced under the Hong Kong national security law for their participation in the 2020 pro-democracy primaries. In Canadian football, the Toronto Argonauts defeat the Winnipeg Blue Bombers to win the Grey Cup. Ongoing: Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of Lebanon Russian invasion of Ukraine timeline Sudanese civil war timeline Recent deaths: Thomas E. Kurtz Olav Thon Jon Kenny Yuriko, Princess Mikasa Bob Love Celeste Caeiro view — page history — related changes — edit

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November 22

Portal:Current events/2024 November 22

November 22, 2024 (2024-11-22) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Northern Ukraine campaign Two people are killed and 12 others are injured in a Russian drone attack on civilian infrastructure in Sumy, Ukraine. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2024 Laos methanol poisoning A second Australian tourist dies after alcohol poisoning in Vang Vieng, Laos, bringing the death toll from the incident to six. Eight remain hospitalized. (ABC News Australia) Law and crime Conscription of yeshiva students, Israel–Hamas war The Israel Defense Forces issue over 1,000 arrest warrants to ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel for evading draft orders. (CNN) (The Times of Israel) Politics and elections 2024 Senegalese parliamentary election The National Autonomous Electoral Commission of Senegal certifies the results of the parliamentary election, with the ruling Patriots of Senegal (PASTEF) party winning 130 out of 165 seats. (RFI) (Al Jazeera)

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Russia launches ICBM/IRBM into Ukraine

Article: Oreshnik (missile) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Russia launches a hypersonic projectile claimed to be an Oreshnik intermediate-range ballistic missile from Astrakhan Oblast in a conventional strike on Dnipro, Ukraine. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by 219.74.216.56 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Major escalation of Russian invasion of Ukraine. 219.74.216.56 (talk • contribs)

• What exactly was launched is unclear, as we can't take Russia's own claims to their word, and more reliable sources says it wasn't ICBMs [1]. This is an escalation, but at this point, reasonably covered by the ongoing. --Masem (t) 17:03, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Strong oppose - this was NOT a nuclear warhead, and we have an article for the projectile - Oreshnik (missile). Let's not puff it up any more than it was. We didn't post Ukraine using West-supplied long-range missiles and Putin's nuclear threats that he always makes, so let's not post the use of Russia's shiny new toy. Also, you may want to use a template for future ITN submissions. Departure– (talk) 17:26, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Moved to a template. Departure– (talk) 17:32, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per Masem and Departure. Covered by ongoing. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:55, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Appears not to be an ICBM, which might be notable. Otherwise, this appears to be suitably covered by ongoing. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 19:04, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

2024 Kurram massacre

Article: 2024 Kurram massacre (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Gunmen attacked a large passenger convoy of vehicles in Kurram district of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province of Pakistan, resulting in the death of 42 people and 20 injuries. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Reuters, NY Times, VOA, APP, The Guardian, DW, AP
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
• Created by Noble Attempt (talk · give credit)

 Ainty Painty (talk) 03:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support: Seems noteworthy. Deserves attention. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 04:05, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support: Another major attack that should be on the main page. Harizotoh9 (talk) 05:35, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support: A very significant and major insurgent attack, should be on the main Waleed (talk) 05:39, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality Seems too short, and what reactions there are are the usual "fluff" in the sense that there's condolances and not actual any actions. Likely needs a background section too. --Masem (t) 05:58, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Local leaders complaining of a lack of security, officials saying the death toll will rise, and the PM and President both commenting on the incident are not "fluff". The entire section is only 5 sentences long. Harizotoh9 (talk) 06:09, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

I would expect a good reaction section not to be flooded with non-action statements of sympathy and anger, but actual steps towards action to investigate and make sure such events happen again, what they are doing for familes of the victims, etc. (eg: its far too easy for quote anyone with "thoughts and prayers" after a tragic event, that doesn't make for good encyclopedic content) — Masem (t) 13:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose: Not enough sources, and it reads as a stub. Aneirinn (talk) 06:36, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality as the article is barebones. Support on notability, however. The Kip ^(contribs) 07:30, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Sectarian nature makes it more relevant to mention in the headline.Sportsnut24 (talk) 10:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

November 21

Portal:Current events/2024 November 21

November 21, 2024 (2024-11-21) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Dnipro strikes, Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure Russia strikes Dnipro, Ukraine, with a projectile stated by Russian President Vladimir Putin to be a new Oreshnik intermediate-range ballistic missile (IRBM) model. This confirms earlier reports from the United States and other western officials, who said that Russia had used an IRBM after initial reports misidentified the missile as a RS-26 Rubezh intercontinental ballistic missile. (Reuters) (CBS News) (BBC News) Hungary and the Russian invasion of Ukraine Hungary announces the deployment of a missile defense system on its border with Ukraine, saying that the threat of escalation with Russia is now "greater than ever". (Reuters) United Kingdom and the Russian invasion of Ukraine Russian ambassador to the United Kingdom Andrey Kelin says that the UK is now "directly involved" in the war in Ukraine following yesterday's use of British Storm Shadow cruise missiles by Ukraine to strike targets inside Russia. (Sky News) Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Sectarian violence in Pakistan 2024 Kurram massacre At least 42 people are killed and many others are wounded as gunmen open fire against two convoys carrying Shia people in Kurram District, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan. (Al Jazeera) Israel–Hezbollah conflict Hezbollah fires a rocket barrage at northern Israel, killing one person in the city of Nahariya. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2024 Laos methanol poisoning An Australian and a British tourist die after consuming poisoned alcohol in Vang Vieng, Laos, bringing the death toll from the incident to five. Nine others are hospitalized. (BBC News) (AP) Health and environment The Ministry of Health of New Zealand declares a national epidemic of whooping cough after a recent spike of 263 cases in the past four weeks. (RNZ) International relations International sanctions during the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Russia–United States relations U.S. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen announces that the Treasury Department has imposed sanctions against Russia's third-largest bank Gazprombank and its subsidiaries. (The Hill) Law and crime 2022 Brazilian coup plot Brazilian Federal Police indicts former President Jair Bolsonaro and 36 others for attempting a coup after he lost to Lula da Silva in the 2022 election. (AP) War crimes in the Israel–Hamas war, International Criminal Court investigation in Palestine The International Criminal Court issues arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, former Israeli minister of defense Yoav Gallant, and the leader of Hamas' military wing Mohammed Deif, who is presumed to be dead. (Jerusalem Post) Science and technology The European Southern Observatory announces that its astronomers in Chile capture the first close-up image of a star outside the Milky Way. (The New York Times)

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(Closed) Gautam Adani indicted

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Articles: Gautam Adani (talk · history · tag) and United States of America v. Gautam Adani et al. (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Indian billionaire Gautam Adani and his associates are indicted by federal prosecutors for bribing Indian Government officials and concealing the details from American investors. (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:

• Nominated by Ratnahastin (talk · give credit)

Article updated

 - Ratnahastin (talk) 07:27, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose at least on quality - the trial article, which should be linked, is a stub. Unsure on notability, as we don't often post trials of individuals aside from major world leaders. The Kip ^(contribs) 07:29, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

  United States of America v. Gautam Adani et al., linking the article. Gotitbro (talk) 09:12, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality and on notability yet another case of corruption of a local personality. _-_Alsor (talk) 07:56, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose We seem to have a rash of indictments and warrants lately. Per WP:SUSPECT, "A living person accused of a crime is presumed innocent until convicted by a court of law. Accusations, investigations, arrests and charges do not amount to a conviction." Andrew🐉(talk) 09:17, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Strong oppose posting this as if he were found guilty violates WP:SUSPECT. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:53, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose. Who is this guy? BilboBeggins (talk) 10:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. There are lots of reasons why this isn't suitable for ITN. The case article - which should be the bold link - is a stub. This is a domestic case involving a private individual, very different from the ICC seeking a national leader. The case itself does not seem particularly significant, there are fraud and corruption trials all the time. The blurb is misleading, because it incorrectly implies Indian prosecutors, and isn't NPOV. Modest Genius ^talk 12:04, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

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(Ready) Lithuanian PM

Article: Gintautas Paluckas (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Gintautas Paluckas is elected by the Seimas as the new Prime Minister of Lithuania. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Following parliamentary elections, Gintautas Paluckas is elected by the Seimas as the new Prime Minister of Lithuania.
News source(s): [3][4]
Credits:

• Nominated by 98.170.164.88 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Augenis (talk · give credit) and Editorius124 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: ITN/R applies as the PM administers the executive branch (per here, and the posting of his predecessor), and since Paluckas was not previously mentioned in ITN. The results of the 2024 Lithuanian parliamentary election were posted from November 1st to 2nd, but that blurb mentioned Vilija Blinkevičiūtė as the leader of the winning party, and she unexpectedly chose not to become PM. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 01:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Comment: The blurb should get a link to 2024 Lithuanian parliamentary election, also that would satisfy ITN/R better. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 04:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Target articles seem to be of adequate quality. Propose altblurb incorporating election article. The Kip ^(contribs) 07:27, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support: Seems fair enough and ready. Elios Peredhel (talk) 08:18, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Note After clarifying the issue on the talk page, I just want to point out that he is not technically the PM at the moment. He will officially become PM once his cabinet is finalized, probably in December. I don't think it's a big deal as a lot of changes in political office don't take effect immediately, and this is the stage in the process at which his predecessor was posted to ITN anyway. If we do want to delay it until he is officially the PM, I'm fine with that. If not, perhaps changing the word "new" to "next" in the blurb would better suit his status, although even the Lithuanian public broadcaster doesn't do that or make much of a distinction. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 09:16, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

FYI: Trump was posted as soon as he was called the winner of the US elections even though he wont take office until January. Prodrummer619 (talk) 11:18, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Support. We should post announcement now. BilboBeggins (talk) 10:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support alt blurb : Incorporates both election and his article as it seems PM is not directly elected by people in Lithuania, also he is still not the PM (blurb says he's just elected) and cabinet comes from elected officials. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 13:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Support no problems quality wise, ITN/R. Scuba 16:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Jodi Rell

Article: Jodi Rell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP News
Credits:

• Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Connecticut governor; death announced 21 November. Staraction (talk | contribs) 00:36, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose: Heavily uncited BLP. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 04:39, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Bolsonaro indicted

Article: 2022 Brazilian coup plot (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Jair Bolsonaro and 36 others are indicted by Brazilian police for their roles in the attempt to overthrow the 2022 election, including the attempted assassination of Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva. (Post)
News source(s): CNN [AP News]
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating

 Masem (t) 22:12, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Strong support The fact that Bolsonaro is linked with an attempt to assassinate Lula is notable enough. The indictment is very ITN worthy. The article looks good too aside from two cn tags in the Timeline section (not sure if that section itself needs and expansion). --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:16, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  Note I don't see the indictments added yet. Masem (t) 22:19, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  Added a paragraph about it and a sentence to the lead. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:45, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• The article does not seem to be updated with the information about the indictments. Natg 19 (talk) 22:18, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  Added some updates. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:45, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Strong support on notability - Brazil's equivalent of Trump's indictment(s). No reason this should be treated any different... except maybe on quality, which I've no comment. Departure– (talk) 01:31, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

WP:SOAP thread — Knightoftheswords 13:44, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
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Oppose seeing as how Lula got out of prison based on the political whims of a judge and then ran for president again this doesn't really mean anything. Scuba 01:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC) WP:SOAP. The Kip (contribs) 07:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC) Lula was sentenced by the same judge who would serve in the Cabinet of Jair Bolsonaro, if political bias has to be talked about at all. None of this is relevant to whether Bolsonaro's indictment is notable or not; it is and we posted the Lula developments back then as well. Personal judgments of political assesments by editors aside. Gotitbro (talk) 07:56, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Highly noteworthy development in the attempted overthrow of democracy. Will be interesting to see if the matter is actually prosecuted properly and justice served unlike what happened in the US with Trump free to run again despite his attempt to overthrow democracy. AusLondonder (talk) 04:11, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support: Of immense notability, and article, especially this particular event, are well cited. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 04:37, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Former President indicted on serious charges is bigly news. Harizotoh9 (talk) 05:24, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support: Internationally noteworthy and quality articles. Aneirinn (talk) 06:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support per Departure. The Kip ^(contribs) 07:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Support While this was only the first of Bolsonaro's coup attempts (followed by 2022–2023 Brazilian election protests, 2023 Brazilian Congress attack), he is more significantly involved here than the others and likely the only event he is to be charged for. Gotitbro (talk) 07:29, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Support - Former major world leader has been indicted in criminal court, due one of the most significant events in recent Brazilian history. Very notable. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:23, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Support, major political event. BilboBeggins (talk) 10:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. The blurb and the article falsely tell us that the police have indicted Bolsonaro. In fact, the decision to indict lies with prosecutors, who have not yet made that decision. As per the NYT article cited in the Wikipedia article: "Brazil’s federal police urged prosecutors to charge Mr. Bolsonaro and three dozen others (...) Federal prosecutors have still not decided whether to pursue charges in any of these cases". Sandstein 10:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Sandstein's good point and WP:SUSPECT. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:39, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support per Gotitbro and WP:SUSPECT. SerialNumber54129 12:11, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose/Wait per Sandstein on account of the blurb not being factually accurate. These indictments are likely still forthcoming. I think blurb posting on this topic should wait until that time. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:21, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support. We need to get the wording right per the above, but this is the official report of a long police investigation, which is a major story in and of itself. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 17:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) ICC arrest warrants for Benjamin Netanyahu, Yoav Gallant, and Mohammed Deif

Article: International Criminal Court investigation in Palestine (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The International Criminal Court issues arrest warrants for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, former Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, and Hamas leader Mohammed Deif in its investigation of war crimes in Palestine. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, NYTimes
Credits:

• Nominated by Nableezy (talk · give credit)
• Updated by ARandomName123 (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: We previously posted warrants being issued for Muammar Gaddafi and Omar Bashir and Vladimir Putin nableezy - 13:56, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Since the arrest warrants of Putin and others' were posted, I think this should be posted too as it is about a incumbent Prime Minister. LiamKorda 14:12, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Strong support on notability, arrest warrants against world leaders have been posted before. Weak oppose on quality, the article isn't updated to where I think it should be to be posted. Besides that, otherwise it's well sourced. Departure– (talk) 14:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support This will severely limit the travel options for the wanted persons. Grimes2 (talk) 14:20, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support We did post the warrant for Putin, this precedentially follows. Gotitbro (talk) 14:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support front page news, so meets WP:ITNSIGNIF. Would be good to add more to the section of the article about the warrants, but there's about enough to just about WP:ITNQUALITY. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:54, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Weak support - Support on significance and precedent. I think the quality could be better but not quite to the point where it should stop this from being posted. ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Arrest warrants against world leaders are very rare i think Bakhos2010 (talk) 15:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Strong support as per Departure–. Suggest blurb is in present tense. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:02, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Important development, rare event, and per ITN precedent. The article is detailed and well-referenced; I find its organisation quite confusing and the update isn't great, but it provides the facts of the case and is in good enough shape to post. Modest Genius ^talk 15:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability as there is precedent that an international arrest warrant for an incumbent leader is notable, and on quality per Modest Genius above.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 15:44, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Comment - an article has been made at International Criminal Court arrest warrants for Israeli figures. It's not protected yet, nor is it ITN quality, but it should be made the target. Departure– (talk) 15:48, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Absolutely no need for a separate article for the issuing of arrest warrants. It would have been far better to have an expansion of the ICC case. — Masem (t) 19:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Support per norm. Scuba 16:07, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment It would be good if we could get the Hīkoi mō te Tiriti posted now given clear consensus in favour. AusLondonder (talk) 16:12, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  Wrong section? nableezy - 16:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Oops yeah, was intending to comment below. For clarity, Support posting this, too. AusLondonder (talk) 16:22, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Strong support per nom. Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support the general event being posted on notability. I would prefer the target being the International Criminal Court arrest warrants for Israeli figures article though, which I believe has been brought up to a reasonable level of quality by now. Liu1126 (talk) 17:38, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. I used the main article, since it wasn't really discussed if the sub-article should be used instead, and there's an obvious titling/scope issue with it. I used an image of Netanyahu and an additional use of "Israeli" per the choices used for the Russian ones in 2023. [5] These can all be changed if necessary. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 18:10, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment. Mohammed Deif is dead. What would his arrest warrant even mean in this case? 104.171.53.110 (talk) 19:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  Our article explains that it's because neither Hamas nor independent sources have confirmed his death, so the ICC cannot determine if he is dead and decided to issue in case he is alive. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 20:00, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  (edit conflict) Israel claims to have killed him in July, Hamas claims he's still alive. The ICC has been unable to determine either way, so issued the warrant. Regardless of whether you think either claim is tenable, or if any of these people will be arrested, the blurb is factually correct in stating that the court has issued a warrant. Modest Genius ^talk 20:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  @Patar knight: would you be amenable to adding the phrase "allegedly killed" or something similar next to Deif's name for clarity (so it'd read "allegedly killed Hamas leader Mohammed Deif")? Dan the Animator 07:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

  The claims of Deif's death are weaker than our article suggests. Further phrasing appears unwarranted. Gotitbro (talk) 09:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

  Gotitbro, makes sense but I think the claims could still add important context (e.g. the fact that there are legitimate questions regarding his death suggests he is missing/hiding and thus the warrant won't have any immediate effects on him, unlike Bibi & Gallant who have generally been going about their lives). I'm open to other phrasing but I still think it's an important thing to add for context/clarity. Usually also the blurb is supposed to based on the article and the article in this case talks more about the warrant's effects on Israeli officials so I think it's helpful to readers to reflect this dynamic/disequilibrium in impact in the blurb. Open to other ideas though and thanks for the reply, Dan the Animator 16:37, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

  I think this is too much detail to get into for a blurb. A warrant was issued and the relevant part of the article explains the ICC's reasoning for issuing the warrant for Deif. If you have reliable sources that discuss the practical effects of the warrants, I would suggest adding to the article. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 17:44, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) 2024 Laos methanol poisoning

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Article: 2024 Laos methanol poisoning (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Four tourists are dead and ten others injured from a suspected methanol poisoning in Laos. (Post)
News source(s): The AgeGuardian
Credits:

• Nominated by GMH Melbourne (talk · give credit)

 GMH Melbourne (talk) 12:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Sources ok, size ok. Terrible event. Grimes2 (talk) 12:41, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Terrible event, yes, but there's not a high number of fatalities, and the fact that they are tourists does not make it more notorious or more special.

_-_Alsor (talk) 12:56, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Note that unfortunately the death toll is likely to rise as there are a number of people on life support. GMH Melbourne (talk) 13:03, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Seems like mostly a small domestic crime issue (if it was an intended crime), and given the number of List of methanol poisoning incidents, such events are not uncommon around the world. --Masem (t) 13:07, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Clearly an isolated domestic crime/food safety incident with limited effect.廣九直通車 (talk) 13:44, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  Note also, that there are victims in Australia, New Zealand, the US, Denmark, UK, and Laos, with the news being reported by organisations around the world. GMH Melbourne (talk) 13:48, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Unfortunate event but death toll is low and seems to be more of a local news event. LiamKorda 14:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose on notability. This seems to be an incident of food poisoning the likes of which we've seen numerous times and are likely to see again. Not nearly as widespread or otherwise impactful as a contamination event should be to get posted; this seems to be restricted to a single hotel in Vang Vieng. Weak oppose on quality at the moment. Also, this nomination may be stale as the fatalities happened on 13 November, and this is likely to roll off the news cycle and ITN as a whole before notability gets demonstrated and quality improves. The oldest blurb is Justin Welby's resignation from 12 November. Departure– (talk) 14:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Tragic event, but accidents that cause four fatalities are sadly quite common. Even methanol poisoning isn't that unusual, see list of methanol poisoning incidents - and those are just the incidents that received media coverage and editor attention. The nationality of the victims has attracted media attention, but shouldn't affect our judgement of significance. I see no reason to treat this any differently than a traffic collision that caused four deaths, which would never be an ITN blurb. Modest Genius ^talk 15:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose routine accident/crime. not ITN worthy despite the tragedy. Scuba 16:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose The page List of methanol poisoning incidents shows that moonshine deaths are far from unusual in the developing world. There were 65 in one batch in India just this June [6]. News websites and TV have an odd habit of exaggerating the attention they give to events when their own citizens die in incidents abroad. For example, this Guardian piece "British woman among three dead as south of France hit by severe flooding"; as if British news would report on three people dying in a French flood in any other way. We shouldn't be copying that kind of journalism. It kind of reminds me of this [7]. Unknown Temptation (talk) 19:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  Ironically that Guardian article is from Agence France-Presse. AusLondonder (talk) 19:30, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

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November 20

Portal:Current events/2024 November 20

November 20, 2024 (2024-11-20) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Calls for a ceasefire during the Israel–Hamas war The United States vetoes a United Nations Security Council proposal for a ceasefire in Gaza, citing the proposal's not linking the ceasefire to the return of hostages taken during the conflict. (The New York Sun) (Reuters) United States support for Israel in the Israel–Hamas war The United States Senate rejects three resolutions by senator Bernie Sanders that would block the sale of weapons to Israel in their war in Gaza. (The Hill) Russian invasion of Ukraine United Kingdom and the Russian invasion of Ukraine British-produced Storm Shadow cruise missiles are launched into Russian territory by Ukraine for the first time, following approval by the Starmer cabinet. (The Guardian) The U.S., Italian, Greek, and Spanish governments temporarily close their embassies in Kyiv, Ukraine, following threats of a "significant air attack" from Russia. (The Washington Times) The embassies of Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan urge their citizens to leave areas near Ukrainian combat zones or to leave Ukraine altogether amid an escalating risk of Russian retaliatory attacks. (The Times of Central Asia) Mali War Fall of Timbuktu The International Criminal Court sentences Malian Islamist militant and Ansar Dine member al-Hassan Ag Abdoul Aziz to 10 years in prison on charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity committed in 2012 and 2013 in Timbuktu, Mali. (Al Jazeera) Sudanese civil war Battle of Khartoum The Sudanese Armed Forces intensify their offensive in the Khartoum capital region, particularly in Khartoum North where the battle has rapidly escalated. (Sudan Tribune) Syrian civil war Israel's role in the Syrian civil war Thirty-six people are killed and more than 50 others are injured in Israeli airstrikes in Palmyra, Syria. (Reuters) Business and economy German economic crisis American automaker Ford announces that it will cut 4,000 jobs in Europe, including 2,900 in Germany, citing economic instability and conflicts with environmental regulations. (Newsweek) Disasters and accidents November 2024 Northeast Pacific bomb cyclone Two people are killed and more than 570,000 people are without power when a bomb cyclone makes landfall over the West Coast of the United States and British Columbia, Canada. (CNN) (NBC News) Law and crime 2024 Baltic Sea submarine cable disruptions The Russian government denies accusations made by European governments of their involvement in sabotaging two submarine telecommunications cables in the Baltic Sea as a means of hybrid warfare. (DW) The Royal Danish Navy boards the Chinese cargo ship Yi Peng 3 in the Baltic Sea after the ship is suspected to be involved in the sabotage of the submarine cables. (EurAsia Daily) Capital punishment in Indonesia Philippine President Bongbong Marcos confirms the return of Mary Jane Veloso to the Philippines following 14 years on death row in Indonesia, after the Indonesian government implemented a policy for the repatriation of foreign prisoners. (South China Morning Post) Indian billionaire and Adani Group chairman Gautam Adani is indicted in the U.S. for his role in an alleged multi-billion dollar bribery and fraud scheme where he and seven others paid Indian government officials US$265 million to obtain contracts for Adani Green Energy. (AsiaOne) (Bloomberg) New Zealand designates Yemen's Houthi movement and Lebanon's Hezbollah as terrorist groups. (The Times of Israel) Politics and elections 2024 United Kingdom farmers' protests Deputy Prime Minister Angela Rayner dismisses concerns brought on by protests in London from United Kingdom farmers against new agricultural inheritance taxation policies as "scaremongering". (Sky News) Mali War Malian junta chief Assimi Goïta dismisses Prime Minister Choguel Kokalla Maïga for criticizing the junta government's decision to indefinitely postpone a return to civilian rule. (DW) Protests against the Russian invasion of Ukraine Around 1,671 anti-war protesters in Belarus are arrested for showing solidarity with Ukraine as part of a crackdown on opposition under President Alexander Lukashenko. (AP) Iraq imposes a two-day nationwide curfew as it conducts its first national census since 1987. (Al Jazeera)

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RD: Ursula Haverbeck

Article: Ursula Haverbeck (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:

• Nominated by Count Iblis (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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 Count Iblis (talk) 10:11, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

(Ready) RD: John Prescott

Article: John Prescott (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Amakuru (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former deputy PM of the UK. A few additional sources needed but it's not in terrible shape.  — Amakuru (talk) 07:48, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support: Lead paragraph has a citation needed flag, otherwise article is in overall good quality. Tofusaurus (talk) 12:51, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Slow day, huh? Weak oppose - updated for the death but has a few CN tags - there's another in the article's body on a negative claim about Prescott that really should be sourced or removed. Departure– (talk) 15:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support I've cleaned up the tags and added a few extra cites. Well written and sourced now for the man they called "Two Jags". The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 15:51, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Weak support. The article is extensive and has a lot of citations, but it's very dry prose and hardly a riveting read. There are classic WP:PROSELINE problems, a lack of images, and it often (particularly in the 'life after parliament section) feels like a random collection of factoids rather than a coherent biography. Still, those are stylistic issues that don't actually violate our criteria. Could do better, but good enough to post. Modest Genius ^talk 19:34, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support. In good enough enough shape, despite stylistic concerns. - SchroCat (talk) 19:42, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Support The article is good enough, except the one yellow tag. Rynoip (talk) 00:03, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Support article isn't perfect but I think it is good enough. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 00:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose I've added a few more CN TAGS because there are numerous unsourced lines. The article is not perfect, but it should be close. It is not ready to be posted. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:04, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

  • Support There is still a CN TAG to be fixed, but it does not prevent from being posted. Avanti. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:01, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose till  [citation needed] are not fixed. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 13:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support, per Alsoriano97 and ExclusiveEditor, who are now glad that they too can offer their fulsome support for this {{cn}}-less article. SerialNumber54129 13:46, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Marking this as ready and changing my vote per above. Departure– (talk) 13:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

November 19

Portal:Current events/2024 November 19

November 19, 2024 (2024-11-19) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Military aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War United States and the Russian invasion of Ukraine U.S. President Joe Biden approves of sending non-persistent anti-personnel mines to Ukraine, with Ukraine committing to not use them in areas with civilians. (Al Jazeera) The United Kingdom and France both prepare new military packages containing long-range missiles to send to Ukraine following United States President Joe Biden's decision to allow deep strikes into Russian territory using American weapons. (Newsweek) Attacks in Russia during the Russian invasion of Ukraine Ukraine launches ATACMS ballistic missiles at targets in Bryansk Oblast, Russia, according to the Russian Defence Ministry. It is the first time that Ukraine has used the American-supplied missiles to strike targets inside Russia. (BBC News) Nuclear risk during the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Russia and weapons of mass destruction Russian President Vladimir Putin signs a decree that allows Russia to use nuclear weapons in response to conventional attacks by a non-nuclear state supported by a nuclear power. (Reuters) Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon Three Lebanese soldiers are killed and 17 other people are injured in an Israeli airstrike in Sarafand, Lebanon. (Al Jazeera) (Times of Israel) Haitian crisis Twenty-eight suspected gang members are killed by police and residents in Pétion-Ville, Port-au-Prince, Haiti. (Al Jazeera) (The Jamaica Observer) Doctors Without Borders announces it will suspend operations in Port-au-Prince indefinitely following rape and death threats from Haitian police. (DW) Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Twelve soldiers are killed and others are wounded after a suicide car bombing targeting a security post in Bannu, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan. Six Hafiz Gul Bahadur Group gunmen are killed in the ensuing shootout. (AP) Business and economy 2024 Boeing machinists strike American aerospace company Boeing announces it will layoff 17,000 workers by the end of 2024, 10% of its global workforce, due to financial difficulties following the machinists strike. (Assembly Magazine) (WAFB9) Law and crime 2020 Hong Kong pro-democracy primaries, Hong Kong 47 Forty-five pro-democracy activists in Hong Kong are sentenced to prison terms of between four and 10 years over an unofficial primary held in 2020. (Reuters) 2022–2023 Brazilian election protests Brazilian Federal Police arrest five people, including four G20 security guards, for their alleged involvement in a plot to assassinate President Lula da Silva and Vice President Geraldo Alckmin following the general election in 2022. (Al Jazeera) The Tunisian coast guard announces that on the night of November 8, a patrol boat rammed and sank a boat carrying migrants on its coasts, killing 53 people. (Fanpage) Politics and elections 2023–2024 Georgian protests Georgian police reportedly break up tent camps while beating and detaining protesters in Tbilisi, Georgia, demonstrating against the allegedly rigged parliamentary election in October. (DW) 2024 Abkhazian protests Abkhazian President Aslan Bzhania resigns following negotiations with the opposition and is succeeded by Vice President Badra Gunba as acting president. (Abkhaz World) (Reuters) 2024 United Kingdom farmers' protests Thousands of British farmers protest at the Houses of Parliament in London, United Kingdom, against a new inheritance tax on land ownership that includes farms. (Al Jazeera) (BBC News) 2024 Venezuelan presidential election, United States–Venezuela relations The United States announces it recognizes Venezuelan opposition leader Edmundo González as the President-elect following the presidential election in July. (Al Jazeera) Hīkoi mō te Tiriti Over 40,000 people gather in front of the New Zealand Parliament House in Wellington to protest against the Treaty Principles Bill that would change Māori people's rights, making it one of the largest protests in the country. (DW) Science and technology SpaceX launches their sixth Starship rocket at the Boca Chica launch pad in Brownsville, Texas, U.S. (Reuters)

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2024 Somaliland presidential election

Article: 2024 Somaliland presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Opposition candidate Abdirahman Mohamed Abdullahi "Irro" (pictured) is confirmed to have won the 2024 Somaliland presidential election, beating incumbent President Muse Bihi Abdi. (Post)
News source(s): [8][9][10]
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Subayerboombastic (talk · give credit)

 Subayerboombastic (talk) 05:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Comment: Somaliland is not fully internationally recognized as a sovereign state. Harizotoh9 (talk) 07:18, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Nor is Taiwan, but both are de facto independent and functioning democracies. I'm undecided whether that is sufficient to post, but it certainly isn't a clear-cut case. Modest Genius ^talk 12:11, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

The argument for posting about elections in the Republic of China is entirely different than posting about elections in breakaway separatist republics. Scuba 16:26, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose we don't post election results for unrecognized states like Transnistria, South Ossetia, Abkhazia (whose government was toppled 3 days ago). Scuba 16:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Support ITN has posted election results from the SADR (Seems I misremembered? Regardless, the distinction for which nation we deem fine and not is quite arbitrary. Somaliland functions as a state with its own independent elections, it is not a micronation or an autonomous region in its current de facto state) and even subnational entities so I would say this is fine. I'm glad someone was able to nominate this, I intended to originally regardless. A change in government too, which is notable. The article looks fine to me. Ornithoptera (talk) 17:59, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Comment: For the record, the 2021 Somaliland parliamentary election was not only nominated but also made it to the very top of the front page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Posted/June_2021 check June 6. Yes Somaliland is Unrecognized, but it is a fully functioning democracy same as Taiwan. In the past its articles have been featured and now should be no different. Somaliland is a free standing de facto state and articles from less independent states have been featured before, such as North Cyprus. Main point being there is precedent from their election in 2021 that they can be featured so I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be. Subayerboombastic (talk) 18:28, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Diane Coleman

Article: Diane Coleman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by TJMSmith (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American lawyer and disability rights advocate. Died on Nov 1. First reported November 19 here: National Council on Disablity 2024. TJMSmith (talk) 03:20, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Looks ready. Thriley (talk) 17:33, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

(Withdrawn) Undersea cables incident

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Article: Transatlantic cables incident (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Royal Danish Navy detains a Chinese vessel in the first enforcement action since 1959 of the Convention for the Protection of Submarine Telegraph Cables. (Post)
News source(s): [11]
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Chetsford (talk · give credit)

Article updated

 Nominator's comment: I threw this article on the 1959 incident together a few minutes ago after news of the Danish intervention broke; I believe it's in good shape but apologies for any errors or omissions due to haste Chetsford (talk) 00:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Strong oppose for now - the target should be 2024 Baltic Sea submarine cable disruptions or ideally Yi Peng 3, the ship detained. If something is conclusively proven and charged in a court of law or any escalations or developments to any of the numerous wars going on worldwide come of this, maybe I'll support, but for now it's equivalent to a marginally important arrest of a private individual and therefore not ITN-worthy. Departure– (talk) 01:08, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Withdraw as nom My apologies, I wasn't aware we had a 2024 Baltic Sea submarine cable disruptions article at all. Thanks to Departure– for pointing this out. Chetsford (talk) 01:10, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

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RD: Tony Campolo

Article: Tony Campolo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MSN
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American sociologist and Baptist pastor. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 08:52, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support: Article looks good. No obvious gaps in references; If anyone observes any gaps, please point them out and we can get them addressed. KConWiki (talk) 14:33, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose for now. there is a quote that needs a citation, but the article is otherwise in good shape. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 21:12, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
  • What specifically is the concern you allude to? KConWiki (talk) 22:01, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

    There is like two sentences thats uncited in the article. Rynoip (talk) 22:34, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Article looks good. Except for like two sentences all other sections are cited well. Rynoip (talk) 22:37, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: If people with concerns about missing citations can put up CN tags or give which specific areas are of concern, I will be happy to attempt to resolve them. Thanks KConWiki (talk) 00:07, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks. I have had some issues with power outages and thus lack of reliable internet, so I will do that. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 05:09, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

(Decision needed) Hīkoi mō te Tiriti

Article: Hīkoi mō te Tiriti (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Hīkoi mō te Tiriti arrives at New Zealand's Parliament with over 60,000 people after 9 day journey to protest bill that would reform the Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi amid fears it would reduce Māori rights. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Hīkoi mō te Tiriti (pictured) arrives as the largest protest in the country's history at New Zealand's Parliament, protesting the bill that would reform the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi amid fears it would reduce Māori rights.
Alternative blurb II: ​ New Zealand witnesses the largest protest (pictured) in its history in response to a proposed bill that would reinterpret the Treaty of Waitangi.
Alternative blurb III: ​ New Zealand witnesses the largest protest (pictured) in its history in response to a proposed bill that would reform the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ New Zealand witnesses one of the largest protests (pictured) in its history in response to a proposed bill that would reform the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi.
News source(s): 1news.co.nz
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Serial Number 54129 (talk · give credit)
• Created by TheLoyalOrder (talk · give credit)

• Small country not used to seeing large marches, first nation issues, covered internationally and with long term effects. SerialNumber54129 16:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment The protest has broad support by Pākehā (non-Māori), hence the blurb isn't quite right. Schwede66 18:18, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks Schwede66, blurb now tweaked. SerialNumber54129 18:59, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

  Sorry, I still don't like the blurb and have posted an altblurb for consideration. Schwede66 04:44, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support - Massive international coverage, largest protests in New Zealand for a long time. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 19:07, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
• Suppport, though the blurb is inaccurate, proponents of the bill also argue it will redefine the principles, that's the point of the legislation. TheLoyalOrder (talk) 19:46, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

  @TheLoyalOrder: Tweaked. Note it was taken directly from your original lead ;) SerialNumber54129 20:47, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Per above Rynoip (talk) 19:47, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
• Weak support Plenty of coverage and it's a nationwide protest with over 30,000 in attendance in Wellington alone after all. The lede could be expanded, though. Departure– (talk) 20:19, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

  Lead expanded. SerialNumber54129 20:47, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose as stale. These protests began on 10 November, and it has been 9 days since then. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 21:22, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

  The protests are in their final day as they reach Wellington and Parliament today. Departure– (talk) 21:50, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

  @Red-tailed hawk: Hello. The marches stated nine days ago relatively small. They garnered very little attention then, naturally, because of their size. This is the climax. ITN shows the Oscars, not the date the invites go out. SerialNumber54129 22:30, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Maybe put occurs across New Zealand earlier, followed by against .... Kowal2701 (talk) 21:57, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

  occurs across New Zealand is a bit too broad, the hikoi started in Auckland and made its way down to Wellington. This all happened in the North Island, maybe occurs in major cities in the North Island of New Zealand Rynoip (talk) 23:42, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

  Not true. The marches started in various places, in both the North and South islands. They all came together in Wellington. Schwede66 08:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

  Clarified N. Island. SerialNumber54129 00:41, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

  could do something like: Hīkoi mō te Tiriti arrives at New Zealand's Parliament with over 60,000 people after 9 day journey to protest bill that would reform the Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi amid fears it would reduce Māori rights TheLoyalOrder (talk) 00:52, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article is of sufficient quality and notability for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 00:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. Fairly minor in scope as far as protests go. Nsk92 (talk) 01:10, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

  its one of the biggest (possibly the biggest) protests in New Zealand history TheLoyalOrder (talk) 01:31, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppsee Relatively peaceful compared to other protests, nor yet to shown as impactful (eg like the past India's farmer strike that actually impacted commerce in the country). --Masem (t) 01:16, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

  Protests don't have to be violent to be meaningful and impactful. AusLondonder (talk) 19:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

  There are protests nearly happening every day around the world. We have no room to cover them all, so we need to look at scale and impact. This specific protest lack either (particularly after it appear no laws will be changed) Masem (t) 20:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support the hīkoi is seven times the size of the notable 1975 Land March led by Dame Whina Cooper. Videos of MP Hana-Rwhiti Maipi-Clarke's haka in Parliament on the 14th, relevant to the hīkoi and the Treaty Priniciples Bill are already viral and in global news cycles. Ladygeekiness (talk) 01:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

  Link to Māori land march article for context. Schwede66 08:56, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support I disagree it's minor, it has made all major news outlets around the world even in non-anglophone countries, which usually pay very little attention to New Zealand and even less so to Maori issues. The lack of violence should not be a factor on notability. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:33, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

  The barrier for inclusion in major news outlets is extremely low. That should not be used as a judgement of significance, because news reports events big and small. Masem (t) 13:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

  That applies to domestic news though, if this protest was not notable nor impactful it would not have gathered so much global attention. Plenty of genuinely important news does not get reported either it's a double-edged sword anyway. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:49, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose It appears that the bill is unlikely to become law anyway and so there’s little impact. Such demonstrations and protests are common — for example, there was a big farmers’ protest in London on this day. This one doesn’t seem sufficiently significant. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:30, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose A run-of-the-mill, peaceful protest against a bill the NZ government has said it will not back coming into law. No different from the Farmer protests here in the UK at the moment. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 11:40, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support - Absolutely notable, and rare significant news from that corner of the globe. Comparisons to other countries of course run afoul of WP:ITNATA. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper
• Comment - I'm utterly befuddled by the rationales used to oppose this item so far. One rationale implies that because there wasn't any violence or killing, it isn't notable; another says that because the journey across country took nine days, that it's technically outside the news cycle; and another is speculating that the bill won't become law anyway so there's no point in protesting. Much of this doesn't have any bearing on the actual significance of the item. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:45, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support We posted the 2023 Australian Indigenous Voice referendum, this is perhaps even more significant in that it signals a rollback of already agreed upon law and rights. CRYSTALBALLing aside, about whether this may or may not pass, the protests have to be seen in the context of New Zealand politics where these are important (largest ever?) and a significant point in the country's and Maori history. Gotitbro (talk) 14:36, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

  The difference is the referendum was just that, a referendum with 15,739,686 votes. These are protests 82,000 strong (and that's being generous) in a country of 5.22 Million. Scuba 16:55, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

A meaningless comparison. Voting in a referendum in Australia is compulsory. All the NZ protesters are there by choice. HiLo48 (talk) 01:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• That's 1.58% then. For comparison, someone above made a curious (and frankly nonsensical) argument that it's the same as a march of 13,000 people out of a population of 65,000,000... or .02% *facepalm* Tight faded male arse. Decadence and anarchy. A certain style. Smile. 17:13, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

  Yeah that's nonsense, the farmer's protest in the UK shouldn't be posted either and if someone nominates it I will vote oppose there too. Scuba 17:44, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose protests aren't large enough to warrant posting. Any argument to the contrary is just a pro-Western bias. Comparing these protests to the 2024 Armenian protests for example, which had 20,000 protesters in a country of 3,000,000, several hundred arrests, and called for a regime change, the verdict of ITN was that it wasn't notable enough to post. These protests are 82,000 in a country of 5,200,000 and are seeking to preserve the special status of one ethnic group over others.

It would be a heinous double standard if we post this to ITN. Scuba 17:17, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

• These protests...are seeking to preserve the special status of one ethnic group over others is a ridiculous and cynical misrepresentation of what the protests are about. AusLondonder (talk) 19:59, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

  So you don't believe that The New Zealand Government has the right to govern all New Zealanders nor that All New Zealanders are equal under the law with the same rights and duties? Bold of you I guess. Scuba 21:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

  Scu ba, things are a bit more nuanced than what you make out. Maybe it's best to not argue the finer details that are hard to understand when you don't live here. Schwede66 07:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  Ah yes, I forgot that you have to live in the country that the ITN/C event is taking place in in order to vote on its inclusion. Scuba 16:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  Well your POV is very clear on this one. 13:29, 22 November 2024 (UTC) Secretlondon (talk) 13:29, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

  How is it ridiculous and cynical? It is precisely what it is. Rynoip (talk) 21:49, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

  82000 in 5200000 is about 1.6% of the country. How is that not large enough to be significant? --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:02, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  For comparison, an equivalently-sized protest in the United states would be 5.5 million people. Turnagra (talk) 17:53, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  The 2017 Women's March was posted the day after it happened, with an attendance between 3 and roughly 4.5 million. Departure– (talk) 18:02, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  The Armenian protests are neither the largest there, and when seen in context of recent Armenian history, nor unique. 6 protests are registered at Protests in Armenia in relation to the current PM Nikol Pashinyan and these were the fourth regular one in the context of the current phase of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict (whose last flare-up, 2023 Azerbaijani offensive in Nagorno-Karabakh, we posted); preceded by 2020–2021 Armenian protests, 2022 Armenian protests, 2023 Armenian protests. I think why these might not be seen as notable is evident.

  Calling the protests, which are against a minor political party's efforts to re-interpret or rather rollback the Principles of the Treaty of Waitangi (already seen as inadequate for indigenous rights in New Zealand), preservation of special treatment is rather disingenous. The view that the bill seeks to enable resource exploitation in indigenous lands without having to specifically consult those people has more currency than any purported equal treatment of the citizens of New Zealand. Gotitbro (talk) 08:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  What? Do you not support equal rights for all kiwis? indigenous lands without having to specifically consult those people is a bit fake considering the bill is to make all kiwis equal without special rights or privileges. Rynoip (talk) 20:38, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support largest protest that New Zealand has ever seen and has been covered extensively in major news sources across the world - the event is absolutely notable enough to post. The article itself is extensive and well-sourced, and easily of the quality we would want for a front page feature. Turnagra (talk) 17:29, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support as per other editors. Largest protest in New Zealand's history sounds like something we should post, and it has even made it into German news. Both blurbs are very long however, and a bit arcane. Simpler and shorter blurb proposed. Khuft (talk) 19:32, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support It's in the news and has attracted worldwide attention. ITN shouldn't ignore genuine news from smaller countries. Second blurb sounds better but would be open to other suggestions. AusLondonder (talk) 19:57, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks, AusLondonder. I've developed ALT3 based on your blurb and my previous ALT1. Schwede66 20:41, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

  Support per @AusLondonder, eyes are on New Zealand especially in part due to Hana-Rawhiti Maipi-Clarke's actions. TansoShoshen (talk) 06:52, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment I don't think we can call it the "largest protest" in the country's history because The Spinoff source in the article merely estimated it as being the largest, and described the difficulty in knowing for sure. The BBC described it as "one of the biggest" rather than "the biggest", so I think the blurb should reflect this. ―Panamitsu (talk) 22:09, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

  The largest protests in NZ were about the 1981 Springbok tour and involved over 150,000 people, which is more than this protest. See NZ history. And then there were events like the 1913 Great Strike when the population was much smaller. What we've got here is hype and WP:RECENTISM. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:28, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

  Note that the 150,000 protesters are the sum of the 200 protests in relation to the 1981 Springbok tour. None of them individually were anywhere near as big as the 42,000 people who were protesting in Wellington on Tuesday, as estimated by the Police. Schwede66 07:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  If we are going to say that the protest against the treaty is the largest in NZ history, as alt blurbs 2 and 3 do, this needs to be backed up by a claim in the article with a verifiable citation from a reliable source. The article Hīkoi mō te Tiriti currently cites a writer for The Spinoff who "estimated it was the largest protest Wellington had ever seen, potentially the largest in New Zealand's history." The last part is hedged.

  With this in mind, I would say that:

  • The original blurb, omitting any comparisons, is fine.
  • Alt blurb 1 may be okay but it depends on how you parse it. If you parse it as "largest (protest in the country's history at New Zealand's Parliament)" then it's fine, as The Spinoff makes this exact claim very confidently. If you parse it "(largest protest in the country's history) at New Zealand's Parliament", which I think is the intended and more natural parsing, then it's problematic.
  • Alt blurbs 2 and 3 are not adequately supported by existing sources or the article text, and even though they may be true, verifiability is the most important criterion to judge them by.
  • Alt blurb 4, which uses the wording "one of the largest protests" (mirroring the BBC), is fine.
  • I might also propose something like "New Zealand witnesses the largest protest in its capital's [or: its parliament's] history...". That would be less ambiguously parsed than alt blurb 1.

  Note that the issue isn't even just about comparing head counts of a single protest vs. multiple protests aggregated. The article in The Spinoff mentions a possible 2010 protest with 80,000 people in Auckland, and although the author states that the 80K figure is "hard to prove", and even claims that the current protest is "probably" the biggest single-location NZ protest, that uncertainty may be enough of a reason to avoid outright making the claim that alt blurbs 2-3 (and 1 if you parse it the obvious way) do. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 11:04, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  The protests you mentioned were against apartheid in South Africa, which is the single largest political matter in its modern history and which involved widespread international pressure, not just from New Zealand. If that's your comparison point, then I think this protest is doing well for significance. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Per Masem. Thriley (talk) 05:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Sorry, this is a rather long post. Unlike Masem, I suggest that this is a rather impactful protest. The situation reminds me of the 2004 foreshore and seabed situation; when that unfolded, I thought it was a super-big mistake by Helen Clark's Labour government. They did survive the 2005 general election, but the resentment was deep-seated enough that they didn't get through in 2008. This feels much the same; this time for Christopher Luxon's National government. In August, former PM John Key gave the current PM what I felt was a public telling off in his typical style (one of Key's nicknames is the "smiling assassin", i.e. he smiles while he's telling you off). And Newshub's chief political journalist explained yesterday that it's going to be a problem for Luxon for months to come: "This will still be going on at the start of the [next] year and the political calendar is traditionally kicked off with a number of Māori events. That is a problem for Christopher Luxon not to have it voted down by then, not to have it neutered." By the time this is over, it will have inflicted a lot of damage on the government, possibly enough that they don't survive the next election. Schwede66 08:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  As this is a perennial issue which is going to keep rumbling on, why don't we wait until we get a clear impact such as the passing/withdrawal of the bill or an election result? Andrew🐉(talk) 10:30, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  I agree with Andrew🐉: it is probably wiser to post to ITN once the bill is voted on, as that is when there will be a clearer impact. However, when that happens, the protests are still important context to include in the ITN blurb. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 12:43, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  The Bill got voted through its first reading last week, the hīkoi was partially in response to this. Turnagra (talk) 17:45, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  The bill will get its second reading in six months. This is in the news now, based on the first reading. Schwede66 18:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support. Quite a significant protest with international news attention and also in relation to size. The protest is the story here, since the coalition partners have pledged to vote the bill down after the committee stage at furher reaadings, so it will almost certainly die out.-- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 13:16, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Support These protests are getting worldwide attention and seems to having a quite impact on the native country. LiamKorda 14:09, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per Masem. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:52, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. This is a big deal in New Zealand, but lacks long-term or wider significance. No legal change has occurred and a majority of parties have indicated that they will oppose the bill. In the end this is just a bit of domestic politics, letting a minor coalition party introduce something controversial purely so it can be demonstrated how unpopular it is. If the Treaty of Waitanga was repealed then that might be suitable for ITN, some peaceful protests against a bill that has no chance of becoming law is not. Once the bill is defeated the protests will quickly be forgotten. Modest Genius ^talk 17:28, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support - we posted the protests in Israel against the judicial reform for example, and that never got implemented either. One of the, if not the, largest peaceful protest in the history of a country, one that is widely covered across the globe, merits posting. nableezy - 17:40, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support, per nableezy, who puts it quite well. Due to their national scale and international coverage, as well as the lasting effects on the Indigenous rights discourse within New Zealand, I would say it's blurb worthy. Ornithoptera (talk) 18:22, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support it is already one of the most significant events in New Zealand political history, just by the sheer scale of the public participation. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 20:41, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support It is getting widespread international coverage, which makes it rise above "mere domestic politics" as implied above. And even if it was not widespread and international in nature, being "domestic" does not make it ITN worthy, so this argument is redundant. Widespread international coverage + major domestic coverage and recordbreaking levels of domestic political participation + lasting impact on Crown-Indigenous relations in New Zealand = suitable for ITN. Flip^andFlopped ツ 22:19, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment There are 20 votes in favour and 9 votes opposed – a 2:1 ratio in favour. Both perspectives have hashed out their arguments with reasons. The general ratio is in favour and this will likely not dramatically shift, nor will new arguments emerge. As such, I have marked this nom as ready for an admin decision. Flip^andFlopped ツ 22:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support An enormous protest for Indigenous rights that is drawing international attention. -TenorTwelve (talk) 10:58, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support per nom. SerialNumber54129 11:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I want to note that this article has only 4,475 views since it was created four days ago. Thriley (talk) 16:28, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Hong Kong 47

Article: Hong Kong 47 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ 45 pro-democracy activists and politicians are sentenced under the Chinese law on Hong Kong national security as a results of participation in the 2020 Hong Kong pro-democracy primaries. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

• Nominated by Manchiu (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: lagrest trial under the HK national security law.-Manchiu (talk) 13:41, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

• Wait Tables are not fully filled. Aftermath section is not added yet. Besides, many activists are jailed every year, although this is significant in terms of the number of activists jailed, I don't think we should be giving special consideration to this incident. TNM101 (chat) 14:52, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

This more than "activists getting jailed", but is a greater geo-political issue of the erosion of democratic norms in Hong Kong. Natg 19 (talk) 19:27, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose though this court case is notable, we are now in the sentencing phase, which is not as notable. The time to post this would have been in 2021 when the activists were arrested and charged. Natg 19 (talk) 16:56, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

On second thought, if we did not post this before, it would be fine to post this now. However, the article still needs improvement. Natg 19 (talk) 19:27, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Article quality is now good, although the aftermath section could use some expansion. Rynoip (talk) 19:52, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Strong oppose on quality - The article hardly seems updated following sentencing. While it is in the article, it's not nearly enough prose to (in my eyes) justify an ITN blurb. Support on notability. Departure– (talk) 20:28, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support: The article is notable and looks good. Till somebody opposing on quality doesn't put forth on what point is the quality going wrong, I don't see anything wrong. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 20:33, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Quality looks good and this is getting worldwide news attention, its certainly a notable news story to see democracy and free speech being sadly eroded in Hong Kong. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 07:27, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support - Looks alright. Also, when it comes to the current blurbs, the last one about the election is Mauritius is so old, even the winner has long forgot about it... Maybe add something more fresh, like this? 51.154.145.205 (talk) 13:41, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment The democracy movement effectively stopped in Hong Kong in 2020 when the protests were supressed. And while important in the context of those protests, I am not sure if this is an inflection point in the history of the protests or the movement itself. Gotitbro (talk) 15:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support dystopian clampdown by the Chinese government, Also article is of high quality. Scuba 17:20, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 18:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Shuntarō Tanikawa

Article: Shuntarō Tanikawa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Japan Times
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:9D37:C1EF:6040:C288 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Japanese poet. His death announced on this day. 240F:7A:6253:1:9D37:C1EF:6040:C288 (talk) 05:58, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

• Weak oppose on article quality, i'd say add detail on what's listed on bro's greatest work, "Two Billion Light Years of Solitude (1952)". Also, if this article doesn't get approved soon, it may risk becoming stale as bro passed on november 13. BlondArkhangel (talk) 13:14, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Two citation needed tags. Awards section has no sources. Secretlondon (talk) 23:09, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

• Now five citation needed tags and twice orange-tagged. Schwede66 18:21, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality Multiple tags TNM101 (chat) 13:37, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

November 18

Portal:Current events/2024 November 18

November 18, 2024 (2024-11-18) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure Odesa strikes Russian forces launch a missile attack on the city of Odesa, Ukraine, for the second consecutive day, killing at least ten civilians, injuring dozens of others and damaging civilian infrastructure, including residential buildings. (Ukrainska Pravda) Ukrainian energy crisis, 17 November 2024 Russian strikes on Ukraine Ukraine re-implements nationwide rolling blackouts primarily due to yesterday's destruction of energy infrastructure by Russian airstrikes. (Reuters) Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon Hezbollah launches more than 100 missiles at Israel, including Tel Aviv, killing one person and injuring dozens of others. (The Times of Israel) Five people are killed and 24 others are injured in an Israeli airstrike on Zuqaq al-Blat, Beirut, Lebanon. (Al Jazeera) Hezbollah and Lebanon both agree to a United States proposal for a ceasefire. However, Israel has refused to comment. (Reuters) Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa Security forces raid a Lashkar-e-Islam hideout in the Tirah Valley of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan, killing ten militants and injuring several others. (ABC News) A Pakistani Taliban ambush on a military convoy in Khyber district, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, kills eight soldiers and wounds three others. Several gunmen are also killed. Separately, seven police officers are kidnapped in Bannu. (Voice of America) Somali Civil War Three people are killed and another is injured when a land mine, believed to have been planted by Al-Shabaab, explodes on a highway between Afgooye and Wanlaweyn in Lower Shabelle, Somalia. (Garowe Online) Twenty gang members are killed by security forces in the Gaza Strip after armed looters hijacked almost 100 trucks bringing aid for the ongoing famine. (The Guardian) Business and economy American airline Spirit Airlines files for Chapter 11 bankruptcy after years of financial losses and a failed merger attempt with JetBlue. (NPR) Disasters and accidents Three people are killed in an explosion at a fireworks factory in Ercolano, Italy. (Rai News) International relations Denmark–Somalia relations Denmark and Somalia reach an agreement to relieve more than $8.5 million of Somali debt. (Horseed Media) Law and crime 2024 Baltic Sea submarine cable disruptions The C-Lion1 submarine communications cable across the Baltic Sea between Finland and Germany is damaged in what German officials suspect is sabotage. (The Guardian) Three people are killed in a stabbing spree in Manhattan, New York, United States. The perpetrator is arrested. (CNN)

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RD: Colin Petersen

Article: Colin Petersen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deccan Herald
Credits:

• Nominated by Ollieisanerd (talk · give credit)
• Created by Bostart (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TheCorriynial (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Australian drummer for the Bee Gees. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 17:56, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Some citations needed, and uncited paragraphs. Secretlondon (talk) 23:11, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Bob Love

Article: Bob Love (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Leeapp (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American basketball player. Needs additional work (orange-tagged). Staraction (talk | contribs) 05:19, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support: Seems notable. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 05:25, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
  • @Stephen: this is why I wanted it included in the header. Might be in the template, but it's not visible enough. Abcmaxx (talk) 06:57, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

    You think people read the instructions at the top? Especially what would be points 7) and 8). It's a perennial problem. Stephen 07:21, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

• They're more likely to read the top of the page than somewhere in the depth of the many policies. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

• Failing to read detailed instructions is normal behaviour – see banner blindness and WP:CREEP. If you don't want people casting such !votes then the format of the process should be changed so that it's a checklist rather than a call for !votes. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:26, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

  It's not WP:CREEP if it's already a rule. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:59, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support The orange banner tag was placed in 2010 which is 14 years ago! Since that time, the article has been expanded greatly and the number of citations increased from 2 to 27. As there's no current indication or discussion of specific problems with the article and the article seems quite adequate, I just removed the obsolete tag. If people think there's a problem, they need to be specific. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:16, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Citations have been completed. Marked as ready. Flibirigit (talk) 13:16, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 20:04, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Arthur Frommer

Article: Arthur Frommer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Travel Weekly
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Founder of Frommer's travel guide book series. Thriley (talk) 01:31, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Soft oppose: Chunks of the article aren't cited, there are also no sections and it's lacking in prose. Scuba 02:06, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: György Pauk

Article: György Pauk (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Strad
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by CurryTime7-24 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Hungarian violinist, Bartók expert. Grimes2 (talk) 23:09, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Support article is properly cited. Scuba 02:07, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 03:58, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

2024 Senegalese parliamentary election

Article: 2024 Senegalese parliamentary election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The PASTEF party, led by Ousmane Sonko (pictured), claims victory in the 2024 Senegalese parliamentary election (Post)
News source(s): France 24 Deutsch Welle
Credits:

• Nominated by Scu ba (talk · give credit)
• Created by Number 57 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Borgenland (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Article needs serious work, and needs to be updated, but when that is done this is ITN/R. More of a call to action for people to edit the article at the moment rather than a true submission to the board. Scuba 04:21, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

These sources are all dated from 18 November so this submission should be moved to tomorrow. Senegal uses UTC. Departure– (talk) 04:27, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Moved. Scuba 04:30, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

• Wait until an official winner is announced. I will say I don't know much about how election works in Senegal. INeedSupport ^:3 15:29, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Weak oppose on quality as the article is very short, although it seems well sourced. Per AP, other major parties have conceded defeat to PASTEF and their victory seems all but guaranteed. I'd just like to confirm however, Sonko is the leader of PASTEF but he isn't mentioned in the AP article - I don't know enough about Senegalese politics to draw a major conclusion on this though. Departure– (talk) 17:17, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

November 17

Portal:Current events/2024 November 17

November 17, 2024 (2024-11-17) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure, Ukrainian energy crisis 17 November 2024 Russian strikes on Ukraine Russia launches its largest aerial attack on Ukraine in months. According to President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy, around 120 missiles and 90 drones were launched, damaging energy infrastructure across the country, killing at least seven people, and causing widespread damage. (CNN) (BBC News) Ten people are killed and 52 others are injured in a Russian missile strike on an apartment building in Sumy, Ukraine. (Reuters) United States President Joe Biden lifts restrictions on the Ukrainian use of U.S. weapons for deep attacks inside Russia, with Ukrainian forces planning to use the weapons in long-distance attacks in the coming days. (Reuters) Israel–Hamas war Palestinian genocide accusation Pope Francis calls for the global community to investigate whether Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. (CNN) Siege of North Gaza At least 72 people are killed, a third of whom are children, in an Israeli strike against a residential building in Beit Lahia, in northern Gaza. (Al Jazeera) (AsiaOne) Israel–Hezbollah conflict 2024 Israeli invasion of Lebanon An Israeli airstrike on the Lebanese Ba'ath Party headquarters in Ras el-Nabaa, Beirut, Lebanon, kills seven people, including Hezbollah spokesman Mohammed Afif. Sixteen others are wounded. Three people are also killed and 29 more injured in another airstrike in Mar Elias. (Barron's) (Al Jazeera) Disasters and accidents 2024 Atlantic hurricane season Tropical Storm Sara makes landfall in Belize after causing flooding in Honduras. (AP) 2024 Pacific typhoon season Typhoon Man-yi makes landfall in the Philippines as a Category 4 super typhoon, three days after Typhoon Usagi struck the country and becoming the sixth consecutive storm to affect Luzon in the past month. At least eight people are killed. (Al Jazeera) (BBC News) Health and environment One fatality and dozens of illnesses are linked to an E. coli outbreak of U.S.-grown organic carrots. (CTV News) Law and crime Two people are killed and nine others are injured in two shooting incidents near a parade route in New Orleans, Louisiana, United States. (AP) Politics and elections 2024 Senegalese parliamentary election Citizens of Senegal vote for the 165 seats of the National Assembly after President Bassirou Diomaye Faye dissolved the parliament in September. (DW) Hundreds of people march in a protest against Russian President Vladimir Putin in Berlin, Germany, which was called by opposition leaders-in-exile Yulia Navalnaya, Vladimir Kara-Murza, and Ilya Yashin. (DW) Sports 111th Grey Cup In Canadian football, the Toronto Argonauts defeat the Winnipeg Blue Bombers 41–24 to claim their 19th Canadian Football League title. (TSN) Toronto Argonauts quarterback Nick Arbuckle is named the most valuable player and wide receiver Dejon Brissett is named the most valuable Canadian. (TSN) 2024 ATP Finals In tennis, Jannik Sinner defeats Taylor Fritz, 6–4, 6–4 to win his first ATP Finals singles title. (CNN) 2024 MotoGP World Championship In motorcycle racing, Prima Pramac Racing driver Jorge Martín wins the 2024 MotoGP World Championship, becoming the first independent driver to win the title in the MotoGP era. (Al Jazeera)

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RD: Artur Sarnat

Article: Artur Sarnat (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Wisła Kraków
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article needs expansion, but given the available sources should be easy to do. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:36, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

• Soft support article looks decent, albeit very short. Scuba 02:07, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
• We don't post stubs. Schwede66 18:11, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

(Ready) 2024 MotoGP World Championship

Article: 2024 MotoGP World Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In motorcycle racing, Jorge Martín (pictured) wins the MotoGP World Championship. (Post)
News source(s): Eurosport
Credits:

• Nominated by Unnamelessness (talk · give credit)

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 Unnamelessness (talk) 14:01, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment is there a reason there are no infoboxes like in other sports season articles? Abcmaxx (talk) 14:54, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Soft oppose needs an infobox. Scuba 21:15, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

There is no such rule. HiLo48 (talk) 01:27, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, none of the MotoGP championship articles have an infobox. The 🏎 Corvette 🏍 ZR1^{(The Garage)} 00:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes but my question is why? Abcmaxx (talk) 01:32, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Okay, well, that's a problem. Scuba 02:40, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

The use of infoboxes is neither required nor prohibited for any article per MOS:INFOBOXUSE... there doesn't need to be one on any article, so its not a problem. Happily888 (talk) 03:33, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm not saying it's a requirement, I'm just wondering why aren't there any, especially given they’re very useful on sports season articles. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

It's not a requirement, but it would be nice to have, and there isn't really a reason to not have one. Scuba 02:08, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Infoboxes or not might be something to raise with the WikiProject- which I guess would be Wikipedia:WikiProject Motorsport as Wikipedia:WikiProject Motorcycle racing looks to be inactive. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:47, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Weak support the season summary could be expanded, but is just about good enough for the article to pass WP:ITNQUALITY. The existence of an infobox is not a requirement for ITN, and so any votes based on that should be disregarded. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:30, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support ITNR, well cited, infobox is not necessary. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 09:35, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support. The season summary is detailed and well referenced. The rest of the article is mostly bullet points and tables, which isn't great, but it's in a good enough state to meet our requirements for posting. Modest Genius ^talk 15:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Infobox = mildly cretinous. SerialNumber54129 16:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Can any admin have a look at this? Unnamelessness (talk) 11:23, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) 111th Grey Cup

Article: 111th Grey Cup (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Canadian football, the Toronto Argonauts (MVP Nick Arbuckle pictured) defeat the Winnipeg Blue Bombers to win the Grey Cup. (Post)
News source(s): TSN
Credits:

• Nominated by Moraljaya67 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Cmm3 (talk · give credit)

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: I know that this article needs a game summary for this like in other sports (i.e. NFL, NBA, AFL, etc.) Moraljaya67 (talk) 04:10, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

I should note that the Grey Cup is ITNR so discussion should focus on quality instead of notability. Strong oppose on quality, much of the article is written in future tense and no details about the game itself are present. Departure– (talk) 04:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Quality has improved significantly since this was nominated. Departure– (talk) 13:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: Changed to ITNR since the Grey Cup is in recurring item. Moraljaya67 (talk) 04:17, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose there's absolutely no description or indeed any information at all on the game. It's all background trivia at the moment. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

  Support significant expansion and re-write, this is the kind of improvement that ITN nominations were made for. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose needs proper match summary. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:31, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

  Support looks much better now, meets WP:ITNQUALITY. Also, the yellow-tagged MOS issue I raised has also been resolved, so thank you. :) Joseph2302 (talk) 11:42, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose summary that was added is all original research and has no citations. Scuba 02:04, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Support problems with the article have been fixed. Scuba 04:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support: The teams' summary, scoring summary, and stats tables have now been added. The game summary has been re-written with references. Pictures from the game have also been uploaded and added. I'm also suggesting a change to the key image, since this is from the MVP award presentation. I'm seeking reconsideration from @Departure–:, @Abcmaxx:, @Joseph2302:, @Scu ba: and support from @WikiOriginal-9: and @GreenRunner0: Cmm3 (talk) 04:00, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Its in a good state for this. GreenRunner0 04:43, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support. The article looks in good shape to me. All the oppose !votes have switched to support, so I'm marking this as ready. Modest Genius ^talk 15:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 18:04, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

November 16

Portal:Current events/2024 November 16

November 16, 2024 (2024-11-16) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Insurgency in Balochistan Seven paramilitary soldiers are killed and 18 are wounded by a Balochistan Liberation Army attack on a checkpoint in Kalat District, Balochistan, Pakistan. (Reuters) Arts and culture Miss Universe 2024 Danish model Victoria Kjær Theilvig is crowned Miss Universe, becoming the first Dane to win the competition. (CNN) (AP) Health and environment 2023–2024 mpox epidemic California confirms its first case of Clade I mpox in a person who travelled to East Africa, becoming the first confirmed case of Clade I mpox in the United States. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents At least 13 people are killed and 80 rescued after a building collapses in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. (Reuters) International relations APEC Peru 2024 At the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit in Peru, outgoing U.S. President Joe Biden meets with Chinese President Xi Jinping for their final meeting before Biden leaves office on January 20th. During the meeting, Biden and Xi talk about topics like cyber crime, trade, Taiwan, and Russia. Xi also said that his team will work with the incoming Trump administration. (Reuters) Law and crime 2024 Wuxi stabbing attack Eight people are killed and 17 others are injured in a stabbing spree at the Wuxi Institute of Technology in Yixing, Jiangsu, China. The suspect, a 21-year-old student, is arrested. (CNN) (Reuters) A man barricades himself inside his father's restaurant in Issy-les-Moulineaux, France, taking restaurant employees as hostages. The hostages are later rescued and the man is arrested. (BFM TV) (The Jerusalem Post) Argentina orders the arrest of 61 Brazilian citizens currently living in Argentina who are accused of participating in the 2023 Brazilian Congress attack. (Reuters) Politics and elections 2024 Gabonese constitutional referendum Citizens of Gabon vote on a proposed new constitution, including replacing the current semi-presidential system with a presidential system following the 2023 coup. (DW)

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RD: John Hine

Article: John Hine (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Catholic Hierachy, Archdiocese of Southwark
Credits:

• Nominated by The C of E (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Mohamad Darilin (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: English Catholic Bishop  The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 07:31, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Unreliable obituary? Grimes2 (talk) 21:18, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

I've added another source. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 06:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

2024 Wuxi stabbing attack

Article: 2024 Wuxi stabbing attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A stabbing attack in Wuxi, China kills 8 and injures 17. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In a school in Wuxi, China, a graduate student stabs 25.
News source(s): AP
Credits:

• Nominated by CanonNi (talk · give credit)
• Created by Swinub (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Bloxzge 025 (talk · give credit) and Tokisaki Kurumi (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Second mass attack in a week. (the first being the ramming) '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 05:53, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

• I've moved this here. (previously under November 19)  Self-trout '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 07:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
• Weak Support Article quality is fine but could use some work. The stabbing is very notable. INeedSupport ^:3 17:38, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability, quality could use some work though. Rynoip (talk) 19:43, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support, notable school attack with a large amount of victims. Article needs a little more information though. Bloxzge 025 (talk)
• This needs a few more eyes and comments. Schwede66 18:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support: It is notable, and well cited, and not bad in length especially given that the incident happened in China. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 05:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Vladimir Shklyarov

Article: Vladimir Shklyarov (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Article not too bad, needs a few more citations in places though. Needs a section on their death given that he was taking painkillers for an injury and fell from fifth floor of a building in St. Petersburg. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:09, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Gerry Weil

Article: Gerry Weil (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El Nacional
Credits:

• Nominated by NoonIcarus (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Austrian-born Venezuelan jazz musician. NoonIcarus (talk) 20:54, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Article is a stub, nothing about his personal life. Rynoip (talk) 22:03, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Pat Koch Thaler

Article: Pat Koch Thaler (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by TJMSmith (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American educator, author, and activist. TJMSmith (talk) 19:32, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Article is sufficiently cited and in good quality. Rynoip (talk) 22:04, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Béla Károlyi

Article: Béla Károlyi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Estreyeria (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Romanian-American gymnastics coach of nine Olympic champions. Seems to be missing some citations. Estreyeria (talk) 02:28, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Soft oppose article was looking good, until the 1999–2000 section, which is practically uncited. Scuba 03:57, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Olav Thon

Article: Olav Thon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NTB
Credits:

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and Marius1603 (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 13:35, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose: Short, could be lengthened by translating sourced material from the corresponding Norwegian article first, it has additional 14 citations at least. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 15:03, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  @ExclusiveEditor: How about now? Added an early life section. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:34, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Looks well sourced. For a 101 year old his bio could be longer, but this will suffice. Shanes (talk) 17:37, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Looks like a long enough article and well sourced. - Sebbog13 (talk) 03:08, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Support Article looks good. Scuba 03:58, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

• Posted – Schwede66 17:47, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

RD: Ahmed Mohamed Mohamoud

Article: Ahmed Mohamed Mohamoud (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (BBC Somali) (VOA Somali) (The Eastleigh Voice)
Credits:

• Nominated by QalasQalas (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Mohamad Darilin (talk · give credit) and TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: The former Somaliland president died on November 15, coverage of his death started on November 16. The overall article seems well-cited with reliable and primary citations needed for some awards. QalasQalas (talk) 11:06, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose overall article looks good at a glance, until you notice a bunch of paragraphs with no citation. Scuba 03:07, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

November 15

Portal:Current events/2024 November 15

November 15, 2024 (2024-11-15) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Colombian conflict Thirteen National Liberation Army militants and a police lieutenant were killed during a serie of shootouts with soldiers and police officers in Bolívar and Arauca, Colombia. Other twelve militants were arrested during the operations.(El Publico Tv) Allied Democratic Forces insurgency, Kivu conflict Thirteen people are killed, others are kidnapped and houses are burned by Allied Democratic Forces gunmen in Mabisu, North Kivu, Democratic Republic of the Congo. (AP) Business and economy The Canadian Union of Postal Workers go on strike after failing to renegotiate their contract with Canada Post. (AP) The purchase of conspiracy theory website InfoWars to the satirical news content maker The Onion is put on hold by a Texas judge after lawyers representing InfoWars founder Alex Jones claimed to find irregularities in the auctioning process. The Onion say they plan to complete their purchase. (The Guardian) Disasters and accidents At least ten people are killed in a fire at a retirement residence in Villafranca de Ebro, Zaragoza, Spain. (The Washington Post) Ten infants are killed and 16 others are injured in a fire inside a neonatal intensive care unit at the Jhansi Medical College hospital in Jhansi, Uttar Pradesh, North India. (AP) International relations Austria–Russia relations Austrian energy company OMV announces, that Russian state-owned energy company Gazprom will stop supplying natural gas to Austria, who receives their natural gas primarily from Russia, starting this weekend. (DW) Russian invasion of Ukraine, Germany–Russia relations German Chancellor Olaf Scholz holds a telephone call with Russian President Vladimir Putin about the war in Ukraine, their first contact since 2022. Putin tells Scholz that any negotiated settlement to end the war must recognize the territories that Russia has occupied as part of Russia and that Ukraine must abandon its aspiration to join NATO. (AP) (The New York Times) Law and crime 2024 Abkhazian protests Protestors storm the Parliament of Abkhazia in the capital Sukhumi in opposition to a proposed measure that would allow Russians to buy property in Abkhazia. Opposition leader Eshsou Kakalia claims that protestors now control the building. (Al Jazeera) Assassination of Malcolm X Three daughters of civil rights activist Malcolm X file a $100 million wrongful death lawsuit against the CIA, the FBI, and the New York Police Department for their alleged roles in the assassination of Malcolm X. (AP) Israel–Hamas war protests American ice cream company Ben & Jerry's sues their parent company Unilever in a federal court for allegedly censoring their statements supporting Gaza. (AP) (Business Insider) Politics and elections 2024 Sri Lankan parliamentary election Sri Lankan President Anura Kumara Dissanayake's National People's Power coalition wins a supermajority in the snap election for the 17th Parliament of Sri Lanka. (Reuters) Second presidential transition of Donald Trump President-elect of the United States Donald Trump names Karoline Leavitt as the White House Press Secretary for his second term in office, which will make her the youngest ever person to serve in the role at 27 years old. (AP) Kyrgyzstan President Sadyr Japarov opens the Zhany-Barak village in the Osh Region of Kyrgyzstan for resettled residents of the Barak exclave in Uzbekistan. (24.kg) Croatian Prime Minister Andrej Plenković dismisses health minister Vili Beroš on suspicions of corruption. (DW)

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(Posted) RD: Jon Kenny

Article: Jon Kenny (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [12],[13],[14]
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Serial Number 54129 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Erksahin (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Irish actor and comedian. Known for The Banshees of Inisherin among other things. Filmography (as usual) needs sourcing—being worked on now now sourced. SerialNumber54129 20:50, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Support looks good, refreshing to see a fully cited filmography. Scuba 03:59, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

• Already posted by another admin a few hours ago. --PFHLai (talk) 23:32, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Celeste Caeiro

Article: Celeste Caeiro (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Alsoriano97 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Celeste dos Cravos, the woman who, giving her carnations to the soldiers, gave the name to the 1974 Carnation Revolution in Portugal. Been working on the article and I think it is already in a good state to be posted. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:16, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support, the article is ready to be posted. Alexcalamaro (talk) 18:10, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Support article looks good. Scuba 04:00, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

• Posted to RD. Spencer^T•C 20:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In boxing, influencer Jake Paul defeats 58 year old former heavyweight champion Mike Tyson. On the same card, Katie Taylor wins her second fight against Amanda Serrano. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In boxing, influencer Jake Paul defeats 58 year old former heavyweight champion Mike Tyson.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In boxing, influencer Jake Paul defeats former heavyweight champion Mike Tyson and Katie Taylor defeats Amanda Serrano.
News source(s): [[15]]
Credits:

• Nominated by BlondArkhangel (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Significant in not only boxing, but sports in general. Appealed to a diverse audience of traditional boxing icons and celebrity-driven boxing with over 100 million people tuned in to watch the event. Also the first Netflix live sports stream, which was met with widespread criticism. Additionally, significant in women's boxing was the undercard of this event which was Taylor vs. Serrano. BlondArkhangel (talk) 06:10, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment. Firstly, thanks for this contribution BlondArkhangel. We continue to look for newer contributors such as yourself. Regarding this nomination, I was thinking that it would have been a WP:SNOW close given the reasonably high bar on posting that this project has. However, I saw that we had posted Floyd Mayweather vs. Conor McGregor in 2017. So, I am not sure how this will go. Btw, I, a novice to this sport, saw the women's fight and it was quite something. Congrats to the winners irrespective of the posting decision. Ktin (talk) 06:38, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  Thank you. I also am not really into boxing but found this event to be extremely exciting. As far as I can tell, this event had two important fights in the world of boxing, and I actually think the Taylor-Serrano fight was actually a more anticipated fight for the boxing community, whereas the main event fight was more of a meh but still fun idea that gained lots of popularity. The fight itself was so huge that Netflix crashed and buffered multiple times, likely from the millions of people trying to watch it at the same time. Did you experience buffering while you were watching it? BlondArkhangel (talk) 06:55, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose don't think we have posted any recent boxing results. And this one (Paul vs Tyson) is not significant enough, as it was not even a title bout, but just a publicity stunt. Natg 19 (talk) 06:39, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  I don't see how the frequency of posting boxing results should be a criteria for ITN. Mike Tyson, is a pop culture figure and among one of the most dominant and famous boxers in his era. This event was talked about by many in and outside of the sports world and narrated as a 58 year old man is coming out of retirement to beat an influencer in Jake Paul. In the sports world this event, even if it was a publicity stunt, has a lot of significant aspects to it that have attracted the likes of people who don't even box. However, I would argue it wasn't just a publicity stunt, Taylor and Serrano's rematch was extremely hyped in the boxing community and a well fought one at that. BlondArkhangel (talk) 07:07, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk was posted earlier this year, but that was a fight for the undisputed heavyweight title. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 10:27, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Weak oppose, I'm more inclined to see this as entertainment news(which we try to avoid), rather than sport news. WP:ITNSPORTS doesn't say anything about boxing, but my understanding is that his was a relatively routine fight that is not worthy of ITN. –DMartin 07:03, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support I think this is notable, but not for the same reasons the blurb currently implies - hear me out. Never before has a fight been live-streamed simultaneously to so many: according to Rolling Stone, 120 million households tuned in. To put that in context, when we posted Floyd-Mayweather back in 2017, that was called "record-breaking" because it simulcasted to 50 million (source).The fact that Netflix streamed this, as opposed to PPV or a cable provider, is a huge story for the future of sport and television. Soon, the NFL and NHL will begin transitioning to broadcasting sports via streaming providers. This (and the major tech issues which surrounded such a large simulcast) will be looked back upon as a major transitional moment. Merits ITN, as the wider notability extends beyond the "publicity stunt" nature of the feature fight itself. Flip^andFlopped ツ 07:14, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks for the support. Do you have any propositions on what the blurb could be altered to without being excessive? A lot of events happened in this singular event (Paul v. Tyson, Netflix crashing, Netflix streaming live sports, Taylor v. Serrano) BlondArkhangel (talk) 07:20, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  My netflix crashed 6 times lol Bloxzge 025 (talk) 13:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  Also, the Rolling Stone article has a paywall, is there any other source or way to access the article besides paying? BlondArkhangel (talk) 07:22, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  Way too much WP:NOT#CRYSTAL here in trying to justify this as a major event. — Masem (t) 13:20, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  According to Netflix, 60 million households throughout the world watched the Tyson-Paul fight & 50 million households throughout the world watched the Taylor-Serrano fight Blaylockjam10 (talk) 09:50, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Joke fight, joke outcome. Nothing of significance to the sport decided here. Hyperbolick (talk) 07:20, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  120 million people tuned in to this boxing match, how is that not significant? The Taylor-Serrano fight also took place under this fight, I wouldn't say that was a "joke" fight or outcome and it was probably the most entertaining of the matches. BlondArkhangel (talk) 07:31, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  Why then does the page so woefully lack fight details? Hyperbolick (talk) 08:44, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  Just as if you do a car race at Taylor Swifts huge concert, it doesn't become official. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 15:00, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support altblurb2 Significant event. The 31-year gap makes this even more interesting. Even if it was a publicity stunt, it did its job, that is getting publicity in the form of the 120 million people who watched it live. This fight would be debated over for a long time to come. I also think that the blurb should cover the women's match too, as it was said to be a better fight than the Paul Tyson one. So I have added another altblurb TNM101 (chat) 08:10, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

If we do post this, I oppose blurbs which mention the women's fight. The significance of this event is the main fight which was Paul vs Tyson. There were 6 other fights on the fight card, so it is cherry picking to mention Serrano vs Taylor. Natg 19 (talk) 08:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Serrano vs. Taylor was the co-main event. That doesn’t seem like cherry picking to me. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 09:24, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose It is not significant, neither for sport nor for entertainment. Pure spectacle, nothing more. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Please elaborate on what exactly makes this match a "significant event in not only boxing, but sports in general", BlondArkhangel.

31.44.227.152 (talk) 12:18, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Done. BlondArkhangel (talk) 15:59, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose None of these were official title fights. --Masem (t) 13:18, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  ITN is not limited to title fights if their media attention is exceptional. Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Conor McGregor was a boxing match that was featured in in the news and not a title fight, but had widespread publicity. Paul v. Tyson is statistically a more watched event than that and arguably just as popular. BlondArkhangel (talk) 16:18, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  Comment' correct me if I’m wrong be abuse I’m not into boxing but McGregor v Mayweather was more significant because they are both significant fighters with many titles, not an influencer v an old man 27.96.223.193 (talk) 22:37, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  Serrano vs. Taylor was a title fight. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 09:25, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose per Masem. This is a sideshow, not the top flight of the sport. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:46, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
• Weak Support the news isn't so much the fight, but the attention and spectacle surrounding it. It's very much ITN, but I'd oppose the current blurbs. I also don't have any suggestions on what it should be, hence weak support. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:04, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose As said by other above, we don't put boxing results in general, but also this was more of an entertainment piece, also this was not official title match, so could be very well rigged for entertainment, it would just serve as unnecessary advertisement for Netflix. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 14:57, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  The purpose of ITN is to reflect events that capture widespread public attention. This event has definitely garnered that title. If anything this would hurt Netflix, the amount of technical difficulties in the streaming of the event could show significance even beyond the fight and in other sports streamed by Netflix. BlondArkhangel (talk) 16:32, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  The purpose of ITN is to show quality WP articles that happen to be in the news. It is NOT a news ticker. — Masem (t) 16:55, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on significance - not a world-changing sporting event, nor is it ITNR. Maybe if it wasn't the era of the internet, I'd consider supporting for that 100 million figure, but as far as I can tell that isn't much of a record. Strong oppose on quality as the article has next to no details about the fight itself. Departure– (talk) 16:53, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose we shouldn’t be giving the Paul brothers any more platforms than they’ve already bought. Also the article is in poor shape. Scuba 19:11, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

You are a hypocrite for injecting your own opinion about these figures while criticizing my recent oppose vote for another nomination. Focus on the article quality, like you told me. Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 02:06, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Taking a page out of your book, oppose votes don't have to be rational, you said so yourself. Scuba 03:47, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose It may have significant coverage worldwide, but it doesn't have any lasting impact. It is a publicity stunt for both Jake Paul and Mike Tyson, which isn't usually posted on ITN. INeedSupport ^:3 23:06, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support While I think the event is a farce, in a sport" that shouldn't exist, there is absolutely no doubt that it's in the news. It's on the front page of Australia's ABC News. HiLo48 (talk) 23:24, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Mike Tyson returns, after all! BilboBeggins (talk) 23:33, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support In the news, getting lots of attention (much more than UFC 309) and the article seems serviceable. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:39, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
• I oppose blurbing Paul vs. Tyson since that fight doesn’t seem like a significant fight. I theoretically support blurbing Serrano vs. Taylor since that was a widely watched title fight, but I currently oppose such a blurb due to quality issues. At the moment, there isn’t an article that has sufficient details about that fight. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 09:42, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per above, as the main event was not a title bout. Much like Paul's previous matches, this just doesn't seem like it will be a significant, notable event in future years. Happily888 (talk) 10:43, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose as it was just a show fight with no competitive significance. It'd have been a different story had Paul become a world champion as a result of his victory.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:05, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Comment: For this type of conflict, it would seem that the death count is entirely too low to be worth mention. :) -- SashiRolls ^{🌿 · 🍥} 13:50, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose for the same reason we wouldn't post the Depp v. Heard trial, Kim Kardashian's sextape, or Lady Gaga's perfume brand launch. Given Netflix's reach 120 million isn’t all that much, consirering even taking into account Netflix-only productions, it wouldn't be in the most-watched programmes where there are 17 television shows with over 500 million views in their first 28 days alone and there are furthermore 23 films with over 100 million views in their first 28 days too. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
  • It did receive 60 m simultaneous viewers, which beat out a record set by the 2023 Cricket World Cup (io terms of streaming services, not broadcast channels) -- however, correctly, simple viewership numbers are not a reason to post. — Masem (t) 14:20, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

    Yes but viewership figures are hard to measure in the first place and furthermore, Netflix gets an increasingly high viewership of anything. I'm sure something like a Taylor Swift concert live-streamed would absolutely break a record but at least that would have some cultural merit as a music event, having a retired boxer turned undefined celebrity and a youtuber with no specific field just feels like a WP:PROMOTION, and I don't think this event will age well or be particularly remembered in a few years time. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:35, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

It's not being especially well-remembered right now. The BBC coverage is fairly harshly critical. GenevieveDEon (talk) 15:41, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

RD: Ella Jenkins

Article: Ella Jenkins (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Mohamad Darilin (talk · give credit), Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American "First Lady of Children's Folk Song"; died November 9, media coverage appears to start on November 11. Core article seems well-cited, with citations needed for some awards. ForsythiaJo (talk) 02:08, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Soft oppose chunks of the article aren’t cited. Scuba 19:18, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Would anyone else be willing to take a look at the article? Referencing should be further improved at this point. ForsythiaJo (talk) 17:53, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Support All issues have been fixed. Ready to post. Thriley (talk) 17:31, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Elizabeth Nunez

Article: Elizabeth Nunez (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced. NYT published obit today while confirming death as 8 November. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:04, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support NYT obit a week after her death. Article in good shape. Grimes2 (talk) 19:45, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Support article looks in good shape Scuba 19:13, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 01:44, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Eileen Kramer

Article: Eileen Kramer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC Net
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 08:44, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support Solid article. Grimes2 (talk) 16:23, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
• Support Good article, meets ITN criteria. Happily888 (talk) 02:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

  Support solid article. Please post soon. Bedivere (talk) 04:17, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

  not looking for ITN criteria, which this doesn't meet, we're looking for RD criteria. Scuba 22:51, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

  ITN criteria is pretty much WP:ITNCRIT this, which is applicable to blurbs and RD and which it meets. Happily888 (talk) 03:24, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Support article looks fine. Scuba 22:52, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 00:49, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Yuriko, Princess Mikasa

Article: Yuriko, Princess Mikasa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NHK World
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by TheCorriynial (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Camillz (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Some work is needed, but Yuriko, Princess Mikasa was one of the last royals of Japan born and from the Taisho era, married one of Emperor Showa's brothers, and was the oldest living royal in Japan following her husband's death. TheCorriynial (talk) 23:55, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support - Member of a royal family. Harizotoh9 (talk) 01:52, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD. Natg 19 (talk) 02:20, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

I've added this to the rule summary at the top of the page. It looks like these are good faith votes from people who are unaware of the above, and it comes up very often in comments, so added it for awareness. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:15, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

• Almost Ready. Shocking news for Japan. However, several sentences are missing the usual. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 02:45, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

I doubt it was that much of a shock. Like Queen Elizabeth she was in advanced old age and her health was known to be in decline. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:20, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

She was 101, how shocking could it have been? RachelTensions (talk) 08:35, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

Japanese people are feeling bad about this, that's what they seem to mean. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 15:08, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Of halting importance globally and not significant to the average reader Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 02:47, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

  The average reader does not know who 99.99% of who RDs are. Harizotoh9 (talk) 04:17, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

  Please brush up on WP:ITNRD before adding your vote. Any individual human, animal or other biological organism that has recently died is eligable to be included in RD, as long as their artcles are Not currently nominated for deletion or speedy deletion, Updated, and of sufficient quality. Scuba 05:19, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

  They are also eligible to receive votes in opposition. Dreameditsbrooklyn (talk) 18:15, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

RDs are "eligible" for opposition, but oppose votes should be based on article quality. "Halting importance globally" is not a reason to oppose, as Scu ba has stated. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD. Natg 19 (talk) 18:29, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

They should, but they don't have to. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 18:34, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

yeah, but those votes have to make sense. Scuba 19:46, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment She was 101. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:08, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

• Soft oppose: the "children" section is largely uncited, but that seems like it would be an easy fix, and the information in it should be public record. Scuba 05:17, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Support problems with the article have been fixed. Scuba 21:22, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I've fixed the children section, thanks to NHK last year when she turned 100 listing every child via photo. I've tried to improve tone issues and fixed a ref needed, turned out it was in the same source I used for her children.TheCorriynial (talk) 10:18, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

  I've worked it down to one ref needed, that im not sure how to find a reference for, being a order award that is usually given to women in the royal family and rarely to other foreign female royals. TheCorriynial (talk) 12:52, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

  Looking through wikimedia commons, it appears she received the award in 1941. Obviously commons shouldn't be cited, but its a start. I've tried the best I've can, maybe a Japanese wikipedia user could help?TheCorriynial (talk) 16:58, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Are there better refs for these awards in Japanese sources? Some of the current refs are blogs. Natg 19 (talk) 18:36, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

• Not Quite Ready but close. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:20, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

  @Ad Orientem:, please don't do this, and tell us what is not ready so we can fix it even if you said that in general. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 15:12, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

  Comment: The article is probably ready by now. TheCorriynial (talk) 17:36, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

• Support The article was heavily edited after her death, and now if well cited and looks promising to make a good RD entry. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 08:11, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 02:38, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

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