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TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
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+ From pgsql-hackers-owner+M28769@postgresql.org Thu Sep 12 13:30:45 2002
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+ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 13:29:20 -0400
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+ From: Mike Mascari <mascarm@mascari.com>
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+ To: Mike Mascari <mascarm@mascari.com>
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+ cc: "scott.marlowe" <scott.marlowe@ihs.com>,
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+ Justin Clift <justin@postgresql.org>, Dave Page <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk>,
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+ Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>,
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+ PostgreSQL Hackers Mailing List <pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org>
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+ Subject: Re: [HACKERS] PGXLOG variable worthwhile?
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+ References: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0209120945260.10924-100000@css120.ihs.com> <3D80C847.1070000@mascari.com>
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+ Status: OR
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+
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+ I wrote:
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+ > scott.marlowe wrote:
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+ >>
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+ >> I wouldn't assume that. It's been years since I tested it, but back
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+ >> then, the command line and all program I used could see the link
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+ >> created by ln that came with the resource kit. They were distinctly
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+ >> different from the shortcut type of links, in that they seems
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+ >> transparent like short cuts in unix generally are.
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+ >>
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+ >> Do you have the resource kit or the gnu utils from it?
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+ >
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+ >
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+ > The situation appears to be this:
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+ >
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+ > 1. Soft links are available on NTFS 5 (2K/XP) as Reparse Points via the
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+ > DeviceIoControl() function for any application using the standard C
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+ > library routines.
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+ >
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+ > 2. Soft links are available on any filesystem under 95/98/ME/NT4/2K/XP
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+ > as OLE streams (.lnk files) for Shell-aware applications.
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+ >
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+ > 3. Hard links are available on NTFS 5 (2K/XP) via the CreateHardLink() API.
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+
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+ <snip>
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+
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+ > 4. Hard links are available on NTFS (NT3.1/NT4) via the BackupWrite()
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+ > API by writing a special stream to the NTFS.
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+
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+ I also believe (I could be wrong) that for directories, the only
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+ two methods of links are the Soft link methods above. So PGXLOG
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+ cannot use soft links on a non-XP/2K machine unless it is
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+ "Shell-Aware". For example, in a cygwin bash command window:
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+
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+ mkdir dir1
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+ ln dir1 dir2 <- Error using Cygwin implementation
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+ ln -s dir1 dir2 <- Creates a Shell short-cut (NT4)
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+ echo "Hello" > dir1/test.txt
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+ cat dir2/test.txt
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+ "Hello" <- Cygwin's cat(bash?) is shell short-cut aware
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+
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+ Now, in a Windows NT command prompt:
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+
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+ notepad dir2\test.txt <- Notepad can't find file
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+ notepad dir2.lnk <- Displays link contents
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+
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+ That means for a native port with a different PGXLOG directory
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+ running on NT4, the only choice *using links* is to make the
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+ native port shell short-cut aware.
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+
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+ I could be wrong but I don't think so.
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+
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+ Mike Mascari
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+ mascarm@mascari.com
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+
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+
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+ http://www.postgresql.org/users-lounge/docs/faq.html
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+
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+ From mascarm@mascari.com Thu Sep 12 13:01:55 2002
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+ Return-path: <mascarm@mascari.com>
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+ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 13:00:55 -0400
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+ From: Mike Mascari <mascarm@mascari.com>
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+ To: "scott.marlowe" <scott.marlowe@ihs.com>
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+ cc: Justin Clift <justin@postgresql.org>,
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+ Dave Page
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+ <dpage@vale-housing.co.uk>,
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+ Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>,
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+ PostgreSQL
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+ Hackers Mailing List <pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org>
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+ Subject: Re: [HACKERS] PGXLOG variable worthwhile?
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+
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+ scott.marlowe wrote:
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+ > On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, Justin Clift wrote:
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+ >
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+ >>Would it be correct to say that the 'ln' command in the MS Resource Kit
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+ >>creates this kind of shortcut too, as the Reparse Points feature doesn't
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+ >>seem to be possible under NT4?
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+ >
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+ >
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+ > I wouldn't assume that. It's been years since I tested it, but back then,
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+ > the command line and all program I used could see the link created by ln
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+ > that came with the resource kit. They were distinctly different from the
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+ > shortcut type of links, in that they seems transparent like short cuts in
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+ > unix generally are.
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+ >
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+ > Do you have the resource kit or the gnu utils from it?
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+
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+ The situation appears to be this:
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+
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+ 1. Soft links are available on NTFS 5 (2K/XP) as Reparse Points
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+ via the DeviceIoControl() function for any application using the
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+ standard C library routines.
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+
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+ 2. Soft links are available on any filesystem under
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+ 95/98/ME/NT4/2K/XP as OLE streams (.lnk files) for Shell-aware
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+ applications.
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+
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+ 3. Hard links are available on NTFS 5 (2K/XP) via the
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+ CreateHardLink() API.
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+
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+ See:
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+
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+ http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/fileio/base/createhardlink.asp
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+
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+ 4. Hard links are available on NTFS (NT3.1/NT4) via the
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+ BackupWrite() API by writing a special stream to the NTFS.
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+
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+ Example:
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+
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+ http://www.mvps.org/win32/ntfs/lnw.cpp
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+
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+ The cygwin implementation of link():
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+
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+ http://sources.redhat.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/src/winsup/cygwin/syscalls.cc?rev=1.149.2.23&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup&cvsroot=src
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+
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+ 1. Will use CreateHardLink() if on 2K/XP
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+ 2. Will try to use the BackupWrite() method
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+ 3. Failing #2 will just copy the file
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+
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+ See how fun Microsoft makes things?
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+
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+ Mike Mascari
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+ mascarm@mascari.com
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+
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+
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