Conference Presentations by Joe Marino
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The Turin Shroud (TS) has a spatially-encoded 3-D-appearing image when analyzed by either analog ... more The Turin Shroud (TS) has a spatially-encoded 3-D-appearing image when analyzed by either analog or digital systems that discern shading differentials. To date, there has not been put forth any conventional hypothesis of image-formation that’s capable of including both the 3-D characteristic and the physio-chemical characteristic of the TS.
In attempting to address the issue of TS’ 3-D characteristic, George DelaWarr’s remote-imaging camera starting in the 1940s into the 1960s is reexamined with modern technology and recent discoveries in quantum science. The results of spectral analysis with an electron microscope and image-analysis software of representative photographic plates produced by DelaWarr shows 3-D information, suggestive of holographic processing. The DelaWarr images are judged by some to be equal to or even superior to images produced by Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI) in the early 1970s. The discovery/development of Quantum Holography (QH) in the 1990s provides a theory to explain the DelaWarr results; a plausible connection can be made between the image-formation processes of each enigmatic phenomenon, TS and DelaWarr images, and provide a compelling comparison between both phenomena and MRI.
In attempting to reproduce the physio-chemical qualities of the TS image fibers, this paper presents experimental findings of tests conducted on a linen sample provided by STURP member, the late Dr. Alan Adler, in which discolored fibers matching those of the TS were obtained. The analyses included visual inspection, SEM, FTIR, Raman 2000, and light microscopy. The experimental sample was compared to a gamma-irradiated control linen sample. The discolored fibers on the experimental sample correspond closely with the physio-chemical characteristics of the TS image fibers. Thus, it can be concluded that the TS image was created as an unassisted *QuantaGraphy process.
*QuantaGraphy is defined as the process for creating both 2-D QuantaGraph and 3-D QuantaGram images presumably from the space/time-independent quantum field.
N.B. This is part 2 of 2. Part 1 is "3D Information in the Fields of Bioenergetics and Quantum Theory"
In the early 1900's, the field of “radionics” began. This field uses electronic devices for cond... more In the early 1900's, the field of “radionics” began. This field uses electronic devices for conducting distant diagnosis, analysis and treatment of plants/animals/humans. Radionics detects ‘bioenergy,’ first discovered by Stanford University research physician Albert Adams. Following his lead, British engineer George DelaWarr built in the 1950s a remote-imaging camera. This camera, using only a small sample of the subjects’ sputum/hair/blood, was supposed to image their internal conditions from a distance. When the camera’s tuning dial was set to the suspected resonant disease, it could detect 3-D holographic bioenergy radiations from the subject. Although this form of complementary and alternative medical (CAM) treatment is not recognized by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, it has been shown that various animals and insects, as well as humans, all process holographic information. Holograms have a property called “distributedness,” which means that any portion of a recorded hologram contains sufficient data to reconstruct the complete original 3-D information pattern. Thus, holographic biophysical radiation can be present in the sputum/hair/blood of the subject. Initially, portions of the radiation were captured on a photographic plate, which reveals only 2D information, but in the 1990s, 3-D information was found encoded in these images.
A research study was conducted on the camera in 1951 at St. Bartholomew’s Hospital in London, where it confirmed the diagnoses of 400 patients. However, DelaWarr faced complex political, scientific, and social scrutiny in post-war England, and despite the success of the 1951 study, his discoveries were virtually forgotten and untested. Notable scientists, such as the late Apollo astronaut Edgar Mitchell, and the late biophysicist John Heller both believed in the validity of DelaWarr’s work. This suggests that the Turin Shroud should be considered in light of radionics and the DelaWarr camera.
N.B. This is part 1 of 2. Part 2 is "Empirical Findings Suggesting Comparability Among the Turin Shroud (TS), QuantaGraphy [trademarked], and Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI)"
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The Turin Shroud (TS) has a spatially-encoded 3-D-appearing image when analyzed by either analog ... more The Turin Shroud (TS) has a spatially-encoded 3-D-appearing image when analyzed by either analog or digital systems that discern shading differentials. To date, there has not been put forth any conventional hypothesis of image-formation that’s capable of including both the 3-D characteristic and the physio-chemical characteristic of the TS.
In attempting to address the issue of TS’ 3-D characteristic, George DelaWarr’s remote-imaging camera starting in the 1940s into the 1960s is reexamined with modern technology and recent discoveries in quantum science. The results of spectral analysis with an electron microscope and image-analysis software of representative photographic plates produced by DelaWarr shows 3-D information, suggestive of holographic processing. The DelaWarr images are judged by some to be equal to or even superior to images produced by Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI) in the early 1970s. The discovery/development of Quantum Holography (QH) in the 1990s provides a theory to explain the DelaWarr results; a plausible connection can be made between the image-formation processes of each enigmatic phenomenon, TS and DelaWarr images, and provide a compelling comparison between both phenomena and MRI.
In attempting to reproduce the physio-chemical qualities of the TS image fibers, this paper presents experimental findings of tests conducted on a linen sample provided by STURP member, the late Dr. Alan Adler, in which discolored fibers matching those of the TS were obtained. The analyses included visual inspection, SEM, FTIR, Raman 2000, and light microscopy. The experimental sample was compared to a gamma-irradiated control linen sample. The discolored fibers on the experimental sample correspond closely with the physio-chemical characteristics of the TS image fibers. Thus, it can be concluded that the TS image was created as an unassisted *QuantaGraphy process.
*QuantaGraphy is defined as the process for creating both 2-D QuantaGraph and 3-D QuantaGram images presumably from the space/time-independent quantum field.
N.B: this is part 2 of 2. The first part is "3D Information in the Fields of Bioenergetics and Quantum Theory.
In the early 1900's, the field of “radionics” began. This field uses electronic devices for cond... more In the early 1900's, the field of “radionics” began. This field uses electronic devices for conducting distant diagnosis, analysis and treatment of plants/animals/humans. Radionics detects ‘bioenergy,’ first discovered by Stanford University research physician Albert Adams. Following his lead, British engineer George DelaWarr built in the 1950s a remote-imaging camera. This camera, using only a small sample of the subjects’ sputum/hair/blood, was supposed to image their internal conditions from a distance. When the camera’s tuning dial was set to the suspected resonant disease, it could detect 3-D holographic bioenergy radiations from the subject. Although this form of complementary and alternative medical (CAM) treatment is not recognized by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, it has been shown that various animals and insects, as well as humans, all process holographic information. Holograms have a property called “distributedness,” which means that any portion of a recorded hologram contains sufficient data to reconstruct the complete original 3-D information pattern. Thus, holographic biophysical radiation can be present in the sputum/hair/blood of the subject. Initially, portions of the radiation were captured on a photographic plate, which reveals only 2D information, but in the 1990s, 3-D information was found encoded in these images.
A research study was conducted on the camera in 1951 at St. Bartholomew’s Hospital in London, where it confirmed the diagnoses of 400 patients. However, DelaWarr faced complex political, scientific, and social scrutiny in post-war England, and despite the success of the 1951 study, his discoveries were virtually forgotten and untested. Notable scientists, such as the late Apollo astronaut Edgar Mitchell, and the late biophysicist John Heller both believed in the validity of DelaWarr’s work. This suggests that the Turin Shroud should be considered in light of radionics and the DelaWarr camera.
N.B. This is part 1 of 2. Part 2 is "Empirical Findings Suggesting Comparability Among the Turin Shroud (TS), QuantaGraphy (Trademarked), and Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI)
Papers by Joe Marino
On November 30, I uploaded FROM THE STERA ARCHIVES (16): Excerpts from Two Letters in 1989 r... more On November 30, I uploaded FROM THE STERA ARCHIVES (16): Excerpts from Two Letters in 1989 re: Possible Reweave in C-14 Samples. Although those letters were written about two years before the date of the letter excerpts reproduced here, the reader is advised to read that article first as it has some complementary material in the realm of “politics.” Another good article to read is FROM THE STERA ARCHIVES (4): Dr Robert Dinegar’s Letter to Prof. Luigi Gonella Dated November 30, 1987. That letter was written by Dr. Robert Dinegar, who was head of the Shroud of Turin Research Project (STURP) C-14 committee. I will identify here some of the names and terms found in the present letter. Prof. Luigi Gonella was the scientific advisor to Cardinal Ballestrero of Turin. “Riggi” was Giovanni Riggi di Numana, a Turinese scientist who excised the samples for the Shroud C-14 dating. “STURP-Italia” was basically Riggi, but some saw Gonella in that category. The “Pontifical Scientific Commission” is actually “The Pontifical Academy of Sciences,” which is the Pope’s advisory body on scientific matters. The “Don Coera” mentioned was Fr. Piero Coera-Borga, the secretary of the “Centro Internazionale di Sindonologia” in Turin, who was not pleased that STURP was allowed to perform their 1978 testing. “Bollone” is Pierluigi Baima-Bollone, a Turinese medical doctor that has been part of the Centro. “Heller” is Dr. John Heller, a STURP member who wrote a significant Shroud book published in 1983.
As I mentioned in the article uploaded on November 30, although this letter is marked confidential, all of the people mentioned here are deceased (except for Bollone), and I believe it’s important that the background of the dating is revealed in the name of the search for truth.
The letter in this article was written from Rev. Kim Dreisbach of the “Atlanta International Center for the Continuing Study and Exhibit of the Shroud of Turin” to Fr. Peter Rinaldi of the Holy Shroud Guild. The latter played a key role as liaison between the Turin authorities and STURP, which had hoped to be involved in the proposed C-14 dating of the Shroud.
Samples were taken on April 21, 1988, but STURP had been maneuvered out of the testing by Dr. Harry Gove and others. See my book The 1988 C-14 Dating Of The Shroud of Turin: A Stunning Exposé. The excerpts reproduced below pick up from the opening paragraphs that can be seen in the graphic at the beginning of this article.
The sample excised for the Shroud C-14 samples took place on April 21, 1988. The results we... more The sample excised for the Shroud C-14 samples took place on April 21, 1988. The results were announced on October 13, 1988 as AD 1260-1390 and published in Nature in 1989. American-born archaeologist William Meacham, who had taken part in the 1986 Turin Workshop held to create the protocol for the sample-taking, put out a press release right after the results were announced, cited Dr. Stuart Fleming, formerly of the Oxford Laboratory for Archaeology as saying that a restorer, “could certainly have re-woven a damaged edge to a standard not visible to the naked eye.”
In August 2000, my late wife Sue Benford and I made a presentation titled "Evidence for the Skewing of the C-14 Dating of the Shroud of Turin Due to Repairs" at the “Sindone 2000” conference in Orvieto, Italy. The late Ray Rogers, a chemist of the Shroud of Turin Research Project (STURP), thought the idea was preposterous, but after comparing threads from the main part of the Shroud with threads from the C-14 area, concluded that the area had been rewoven. His findings were published in the peer-reviewed paper “Studies on the Radiocarbon Sample from the Shroud of Turin.” He related that on December 12, 2003, he had received actual threads from the center of a leftover sample kept by Turin from April 21, 1988.
I recently discovered two interesting letters containing material regarding the reweave possibility. Although the Dreisbach letter indicates it was for Fr. Adam Otterbein and Fr. Rinaldi of the Holy Shroud Guild, it was apparently written to the late Shroud researcher Dr. Alan Whanger and then forwarded to Frs. Otterbein and Rinaldi.
The Dreisbach letter is designated as confidential but as he, Fr. Otterbein, Fr. Rinaldi, and Dr. Whanger are all deceased, and it’s been over thirty-five years, I think it’s important to release the information insofar as it reveals more of the politics I documented in my 2020 book The 1988 C-14 Dating Of The Shroud of Turin: A Stunning Exposé.
The last number of the date year on the Dreisbach letter is cut off, but it is clear from the content that it was 1989. Another STURP member, the late blood chemist Al Adler, who was a Jew, is mentioned. Also mentioned is the late Prof. Luigi Gonella, scientific advisor to Cardinal Ballestrero of Turin.
The late Dr. Henry Polach (d. 1996) was known in Austria as the father of radiocarbon dating. He... more The late Dr. Henry Polach (d. 1996) was known in Austria as the father of radiocarbon dating. He was consulted by various other scientists for the 1988 C-14 dating of the Shroud.
On April 11, 1988, ten days before the samples were taken for the Shroud C-14 dating, Polach wrote a letter to the late archaeologist Paul Maloney. In the second paragraph, Polach wrote, I received some very disturbing news from England. They confirmed my worst fears: Namely that some commercial motives were underlying the dating of the Shroud. It specifically deals with an action taken by the late Dr. Teddy Hall, head of the Oxford lab that was one of the three in the dating. I have more confirming details about this in my 2020 book, The 1988 C-14 Dating Of The Shroud of Turin: A Stunning Exposé. (See pages 279, 281, 304 and 305.)
Does this automatically suggest that the C-14 date obtained by Oxford was, on its face, suspect? No, after all, the other two labs obtained similar dates. However, my 2020 book is almost eight-hundred pages and is full of questionable events that happened before, during and after the C-14 dating. It is the accumulation of such events that makes the dating suspect for all three labs as far as producing the true date of the cloth. [I also have an article on my academia.edu page an article titled “Supplement to (Book) The 1988 C-14 Dating Of The Shroud of Turin: A Stunning Exposé,” which has over 80 additional entries of controversial actions.]
The first paragraph of the letter refers to a paper titled, The Carbon 14 Proposal [link is to draft only,] which Maloney had sent to the Pope and other Church officials, which was full of concerns that were ignored.
In the second paragraph, Maloney added a handwritten note regarding Polach’s source from England. The note says, The source is probably Dr. Otlet because I heard a similar story directly from him tho’ not with as many details. The late Dr. Robert Otlet was from the Harwell C-14 lab, which had been under consideration as one of the labs to take part in the dating. He is mentioned over three dozen times in my book.
In the third paragraph, in which Polach elaborates on the details he heard, Maloney added a handwritten note: Look at this! I reproduce the text of the letter in full below.
In 1979, Prof. Luigi Gonella, who was scientific advisor to Turin Cardinal Ballestrero, had ... more In 1979, Prof. Luigi Gonella, who was scientific advisor to Turin Cardinal Ballestrero, had given some of the “Raes threads” (named after the Belgian textile expert Dr. Gilbert Raes, who had been given some threads in 1973 for textile analysis) to Rogers for research. Apparently, those threads were being considered for use in the eventual C-14 dating test. In 1988, Gonella was still the advisor, and despite a protocol having been planned at the 3-day “Turin Workshop” in September/October 1986, discussed for over an hour with Prof. Giovanni Riggi di Numana from where the C-14 sample should be taken.
Other topics were discussed in the letter, including Rogers’ critique of McCrone’s work and some recommendations regarding the C-14 samples, which wouldn’t be taken for another six years. The recommendations are significant in light of what did happen in 1988. Below will be some excerpts from the letter. I have comments to make regarding the Raes/C-14 samples, but instead of making them here in the Introduction, I will make them after the excerpts are reproduced below. His critique of McCrone’s work follows some data regarding the Raes Samples.
This letter was written about three and one-half months after the previously posted letter f... more This letter was written about three and one-half months after the previously posted letter from Rogers to McCrone (#12 in the STERA archives series.) In the first line, Rogers is seemingly responding to a letter that McCrone had written to Rogers. However, a copy of McCrone’s letter was not found with Rogers’ letter, so we don’t know exactly what McCrone had said, but Rogers is critiquing various points of McCrone’s painting hypothesis and also noting that scientific observations have to be made in the context of the whole picture and not just in isolated pieces of data. In the first paragraph, when Rogers refers to the “newsletter,” he’s likely referring to the STURP Newsletters that were published in the early 1980s.
Remember that McCrone had looked at only sticky-tape samples that Rogers had sent him, whereas Rogers had been able to examine the cloth directly in Turin. McCrone had actually put forth several versions of the forgery method he proposed, and at the time this letter was written, Rogers referred to it as McCrone’s “thumb-print hypothesis.”
Earlier this evening I posted a letter from Giles Carter to Walter McCrone (#11 in the STERA... more Earlier this evening I posted a letter from Giles Carter to Walter McCrone (#11 in the STERA archives series). In the introduction, I mentioned that after Rogers loaned McCrone some STURP sticky-tape samples, McCrone had referred to the samples as “my.” What I didn’t say in the introduction (though it was mentioned in my article about McCrone that I provided a link for) was that Rogers, Eric Jumper and John Jackson had to travel to Chicago to physically retrieve the samples. In McCrone’s Book Judgement Day for the Shroud (I have the 1996 ed., pages 123-124), he said, “…I was conned out of my set of tapes. Ray Rogers, John Jackson and Eric Jumper visited my lab to ‘discuss the Shroud’ problem.” McCrone didn’t seem to realize that the problem was actually that he mistreated the samples and also wouldn’t return them when originally asked.
Just a short while ago, I started looking at another box of Rogers’ materials owned by STERA. I saw a folder marked “Correspondence,” so I pulled it out to see if I would find anything particularly interesting in it. Boy, did I. Apropos the samples sent to McCrone, I found a letter from Rogers to McCrone, which included a cover sheet; the letter is a good complement to the letter from Carter to McCrone.
The late Dr. Giles Carter (d. 2010) was a chemist from Eastern Michigan University. His mos... more The late Dr. Giles Carter (d. 2010) was a chemist from Eastern Michigan University. His most significant paper was "Formation of the Image on the Shroud of Turin by X-Rays: A New Hypothesis", Archaeological Chemistry III, Advances in Chemistry Series, 205, 1984; Joseph B. Lambert, ed.; Washington, D.C.: American Chemical Society, [425]-446. [The paper is behind a pay wall.]
The late Dr. Walter McCrone (d. 2002) was a Chicago microscopist who asserted that the Shroud was a painting. McCrone, who never examined the Shroud directly was loaned the sticky-tape samples taken by the Shroud of Turin Research Project (STURP), which, based on multiple tests and direct examination of the cloth, concluded the image was not painted. (Carter was not a member of STURP.) McCrone, in his 1997 book, later referred to the samples as “my.” For some further background on McCrone, see my article Dr. Walter McCrone's Research on the Shroud of Turin Under a Microscope.
In this letter, Dr. Carter proposes alternative explanations for some of McCrone assertions. This letter was copied to STURP members, Dr. Eric Jumper, Dr. Alan Adler and Dr. John Heller. In several locations, Carter uses two scientific characters for elements that I don’t know how to reproduce on computer. One looks like a subscript capital “B” and the other looks like a subscript lower-case “a.” It won’t make much of a difference for most who read this!
One thing that struck me about this letter is the politeness and courtesy that Carter extended to McCrone. One often doesn’t find that between correspondents who have differing views about the Shroud.
The late British textile expert John Tyrer, who believed the Shroud was the burial cloth of ... more The late British textile expert John Tyrer, who believed the Shroud was the burial cloth of Jesus, wrote a letter on October 9, 1980 to the late Rev. H. David Sox, who first had asserted that he believed the Shroud was authentic, but later stated he believed it was a forgery, in part because as far as God leaving such a relic for mankind, he said in a book that “God doesn’t operate this way.” Sox never explained how he could be so sure how God operates. Several articles by Tyrer can be found by going to www.shroud.com and putting his name in the search box. For more information about Sox, see my 2022 article, The Rev. H. David Sox: His Intriguing Role in the Shroud’s C-14 Dating. In the reproduction of the letter below, the greeting and opening and closing paragraphs have been eliminated.
In 1979, the late chemist Ray Rogers of the Shroud of Turin Research Project (STURP) was giv... more In 1979, the late chemist Ray Rogers of the Shroud of Turin Research Project (STURP) was given some yarn segments known as the “Raes samples” originally excised from the Shroud in 1979. They were named after the late Belgian textile expert, Dr. Gilbert Raes for textile analysis. The C-14 samples taken in 1988 were taken adjacent to the area from which the Shroud 1988 C-14 dating samples were taken.
In 2000, my late wife Sue Benford and I hypothesized that the announced 1989 dates of AD 1260-1390 for the samples were skewed by a repair that had been done in the C-14 corner.
Ray Rogers, who had accepted the validity of the dates given in 1989, thought the idea was absurd—and thought he could prove it. He still had (legally) some sticky-tape samples from the main part of the cloth from 1978 and also the Raes yarn segments that had been given to him by the late Prof. Luigi Gonella, scientific advisor to the late Cardinal Anastasio Ballestrero. He reasoned that after he examined both areas, he would find them to be the same, and thus able to prove the repair hypothesis. However, he found that the areas were chemically different. He even found in the C-14 corner, gum dye mordant and a cotton/linen splice, the characteristics that would be present had there been a repair. In a paper published in a peer-reviewed journal shortly before his death, he concluded that the C-14 sample was not representative of the main cloth. Thus, the 1989 announced dates were not valid for determining the actual age of the Shroud.
Rogers, though, wanted to have other scientists confirm his findings (repeatability is one of the hallmarks of scientific research). He sent several of the Raes segments to the late microscopist Dr. John Brown of the Georgia Tech Research Institute. Brown agreed with Rogers findings and published a short article in 2005.
It was about that time that the late sindonologist Episcopalian priest, Rev. Albert Dreisbach died. His massive Shroud collection was sent by his family, assisted by Russ Breault, to the late Barrie Schwortz’s Shroud of Turin Education and Research Association. Sadly, Barrie himself recently passed away, and I was one of several board members who relocated the massive STERA collection. I currently have access to the archives. In the Dreisbach collection, I found an interesting short report of which I was previously unaware. According to this report, John Brown sent the two Raes segments (#7 and #14, the two that Brown mentioned in his article) to a firm specializing in microanalysis near Atlanta called “MVA,” Inc. The firm found a coating that “has a different chemical composition than the fiber.” Although, they were unable to specifically weren’t able to identify the coating or detect a dye, it’s significant that they concluded that it the coating was chemically different form the fiber, which would be another confirmation of the hypothesis that a repair had been done in that area. I was surprised that Dr. Brown didn’t mention this report in his own 2005 article.
The letter was sent Fr. Dreisbach’s “The Atlanta International Center for the Continuing Study of the Shroud of Turin, Inc.” The cover letter lists the Subject as “Coated Fiber.”
Dr. Alan Adler was a biochemist and blood expert for the Shroud of Turin Research Project (STURP)... more Dr. Alan Adler was a biochemist and blood expert for the Shroud of Turin Research Project (STURP) in their 1978 investigation on the Shroud. Ray Rogers was a chemist from Los Alamos National Laboratories and was head of the chemistry section for the group.
Both men did not see eye to eye with the late microscopist Dr. Walter McCrone, who was loaned the sticky-tape samples that STURP had brought back with them. McCrone published a book with a chapter about Ray Rogers. Adler wrote the following to Rogers.
In 1990, the late microscopist Dr. Walter McCrone authored a paper titled, "The Shroud of Tu... more In 1990, the late microscopist Dr. Walter McCrone authored a paper titled, "The Shroud of Turin: Blood or Artist's
Pigment?" in Accounts of Chemical Research (1990, 23, 77-83). It was one of the two peer-reviewed Shroud papers that McCrone wrote, and the only one in English. All of his other Shroud articles were published in The Microscope, a journal his institute published, of which he was publisher and was also editor 1965-1995 and 2000.
Many people, including McCrone himself, believed that he was part of the Shroud of Turin Research Project (STURP), the group that studied the Shroud for five days and 120 consecutive hours in 1978. Although the late Ray Rogers of STURP did loan to McCrone some of the sticky-tape samples, he wasn’t officially part of the team. I confirmed that both with Dr. John Jackson, one of the co-founders of STURP and also the late Barrie Schwortz, the team’s Documenting Photographer.
All of the papers or articles that McCrone wrote used to be listed on the institute’s website, I can find none of them listed there now. In 2002, Ray Rogers was supposed to make a presentation about the Shroud to the American Chemical Society in San Antonio. However, he was ill and not able to make it, so he asked Barrie to make the presentation. Barrie set the record straight on a few matters, including a fact that surprised most of the chemists there: that McCrone had not actually studied the Shroud directly, but only via sticky-tape samples. In 2022, Barrie recounted his presentation in an article titled “Into the Lion’s Den.” Shortly thereafter, the Shroud articles in The Microscope were removed from the site. A few of his Shroud articles in other periodicals remained on the site but when I checked on August19, 2024, I was unable to find any of them. If anyone finds them, please let me know and I will correct this.
On June 24, 1990, four members of STURP, Dr. Alan Adler, Dr. Eric Jumper, Ray Rogers and Larry Schwalbe produced a document that they intended to send to the editor of Accounts of Chemical Research, Dr. Fred McLafferty. According to a letter by Adler to the other three, also dated June 24, 1990, also found in the STERA archives, it was submitted as a letter-to-the-editor. I do not know if it was ever published, but given the credentials of the four STURP members, I thought it would be worth publishing their critique.
Additional background information regarding McCrone can be found in my article, “Dr. Walter McCrone’s Research on the Shroud of Turin Under a Microscope.”
When this letter was written by Rogers to Msgr. (later Cardinal) Poletto in Turin, Rogers had... more When this letter was written by Rogers to Msgr. (later Cardinal) Poletto in Turin, Rogers had only recently returned to Shroud studies after a long lull after his involvement with the Shroud in the 1970s and early 1980s. He had been the head of the chemistry section of the 1978 Shroud of Turin Research Project (STURP) study of the cloth.
He had not heard yet of the invisible reweave hypothesis, which he first ridiculed and then later supported in a peer-reviewed paper. He would learn of that idea later that year. He inquired to Msgr. Poletto “Could samples have been switched in 1988?” The letter includes a discounting of McCrone’s assertion that the Shroud is a painting. It’s likely he never received a reply from Msgr. Poletto. He would often complain about a lack of responses from Turin to his inquiries. He notes at the end of the letter that one of the tests that STURP had performed in 1978, x-ray fluorescence analyses, had improved significantly a mere twenty-two years later.
It’s now been over forty-five years since STURP did their studies, and it’s safe to say that all of the tests they did in 1978 could be redone with better equipment. One wonders if the Vatican will ever let the upgraded science and technology of the 21st century be used on the Shroud to try and reveal more of its secrets.
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In attempting to address the issue of TS’ 3-D characteristic, George DelaWarr’s remote-imaging camera starting in the 1940s into the 1960s is reexamined with modern technology and recent discoveries in quantum science. The results of spectral analysis with an electron microscope and image-analysis software of representative photographic plates produced by DelaWarr shows 3-D information, suggestive of holographic processing. The DelaWarr images are judged by some to be equal to or even superior to images produced by Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI) in the early 1970s. The discovery/development of Quantum Holography (QH) in the 1990s provides a theory to explain the DelaWarr results; a plausible connection can be made between the image-formation processes of each enigmatic phenomenon, TS and DelaWarr images, and provide a compelling comparison between both phenomena and MRI.
In attempting to reproduce the physio-chemical qualities of the TS image fibers, this paper presents experimental findings of tests conducted on a linen sample provided by STURP member, the late Dr. Alan Adler, in which discolored fibers matching those of the TS were obtained. The analyses included visual inspection, SEM, FTIR, Raman 2000, and light microscopy. The experimental sample was compared to a gamma-irradiated control linen sample. The discolored fibers on the experimental sample correspond closely with the physio-chemical characteristics of the TS image fibers. Thus, it can be concluded that the TS image was created as an unassisted *QuantaGraphy process.
*QuantaGraphy is defined as the process for creating both 2-D QuantaGraph and 3-D QuantaGram images presumably from the space/time-independent quantum field.
N.B. This is part 2 of 2. Part 1 is "3D Information in the Fields of Bioenergetics and Quantum Theory"
A research study was conducted on the camera in 1951 at St. Bartholomew’s Hospital in London, where it confirmed the diagnoses of 400 patients. However, DelaWarr faced complex political, scientific, and social scrutiny in post-war England, and despite the success of the 1951 study, his discoveries were virtually forgotten and untested. Notable scientists, such as the late Apollo astronaut Edgar Mitchell, and the late biophysicist John Heller both believed in the validity of DelaWarr’s work. This suggests that the Turin Shroud should be considered in light of radionics and the DelaWarr camera.
N.B. This is part 1 of 2. Part 2 is "Empirical Findings Suggesting Comparability Among the Turin Shroud (TS), QuantaGraphy [trademarked], and Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI)"
In attempting to address the issue of TS’ 3-D characteristic, George DelaWarr’s remote-imaging camera starting in the 1940s into the 1960s is reexamined with modern technology and recent discoveries in quantum science. The results of spectral analysis with an electron microscope and image-analysis software of representative photographic plates produced by DelaWarr shows 3-D information, suggestive of holographic processing. The DelaWarr images are judged by some to be equal to or even superior to images produced by Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI) in the early 1970s. The discovery/development of Quantum Holography (QH) in the 1990s provides a theory to explain the DelaWarr results; a plausible connection can be made between the image-formation processes of each enigmatic phenomenon, TS and DelaWarr images, and provide a compelling comparison between both phenomena and MRI.
In attempting to reproduce the physio-chemical qualities of the TS image fibers, this paper presents experimental findings of tests conducted on a linen sample provided by STURP member, the late Dr. Alan Adler, in which discolored fibers matching those of the TS were obtained. The analyses included visual inspection, SEM, FTIR, Raman 2000, and light microscopy. The experimental sample was compared to a gamma-irradiated control linen sample. The discolored fibers on the experimental sample correspond closely with the physio-chemical characteristics of the TS image fibers. Thus, it can be concluded that the TS image was created as an unassisted *QuantaGraphy process.
*QuantaGraphy is defined as the process for creating both 2-D QuantaGraph and 3-D QuantaGram images presumably from the space/time-independent quantum field.
N.B: this is part 2 of 2. The first part is "3D Information in the Fields of Bioenergetics and Quantum Theory.
A research study was conducted on the camera in 1951 at St. Bartholomew’s Hospital in London, where it confirmed the diagnoses of 400 patients. However, DelaWarr faced complex political, scientific, and social scrutiny in post-war England, and despite the success of the 1951 study, his discoveries were virtually forgotten and untested. Notable scientists, such as the late Apollo astronaut Edgar Mitchell, and the late biophysicist John Heller both believed in the validity of DelaWarr’s work. This suggests that the Turin Shroud should be considered in light of radionics and the DelaWarr camera.
N.B. This is part 1 of 2. Part 2 is "Empirical Findings Suggesting Comparability Among the Turin Shroud (TS), QuantaGraphy (Trademarked), and Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI)
Papers by Joe Marino
As I mentioned in the article uploaded on November 30, although this letter is marked confidential, all of the people mentioned here are deceased (except for Bollone), and I believe it’s important that the background of the dating is revealed in the name of the search for truth.
The letter in this article was written from Rev. Kim Dreisbach of the “Atlanta International Center for the Continuing Study and Exhibit of the Shroud of Turin” to Fr. Peter Rinaldi of the Holy Shroud Guild. The latter played a key role as liaison between the Turin authorities and STURP, which had hoped to be involved in the proposed C-14 dating of the Shroud.
Samples were taken on April 21, 1988, but STURP had been maneuvered out of the testing by Dr. Harry Gove and others. See my book The 1988 C-14 Dating Of The Shroud of Turin: A Stunning Exposé. The excerpts reproduced below pick up from the opening paragraphs that can be seen in the graphic at the beginning of this article.
In August 2000, my late wife Sue Benford and I made a presentation titled "Evidence for the Skewing of the C-14 Dating of the Shroud of Turin Due to Repairs" at the “Sindone 2000” conference in Orvieto, Italy. The late Ray Rogers, a chemist of the Shroud of Turin Research Project (STURP), thought the idea was preposterous, but after comparing threads from the main part of the Shroud with threads from the C-14 area, concluded that the area had been rewoven. His findings were published in the peer-reviewed paper “Studies on the Radiocarbon Sample from the Shroud of Turin.” He related that on December 12, 2003, he had received actual threads from the center of a leftover sample kept by Turin from April 21, 1988.
I recently discovered two interesting letters containing material regarding the reweave possibility. Although the Dreisbach letter indicates it was for Fr. Adam Otterbein and Fr. Rinaldi of the Holy Shroud Guild, it was apparently written to the late Shroud researcher Dr. Alan Whanger and then forwarded to Frs. Otterbein and Rinaldi.
The Dreisbach letter is designated as confidential but as he, Fr. Otterbein, Fr. Rinaldi, and Dr. Whanger are all deceased, and it’s been over thirty-five years, I think it’s important to release the information insofar as it reveals more of the politics I documented in my 2020 book The 1988 C-14 Dating Of The Shroud of Turin: A Stunning Exposé.
The last number of the date year on the Dreisbach letter is cut off, but it is clear from the content that it was 1989. Another STURP member, the late blood chemist Al Adler, who was a Jew, is mentioned. Also mentioned is the late Prof. Luigi Gonella, scientific advisor to Cardinal Ballestrero of Turin.
On April 11, 1988, ten days before the samples were taken for the Shroud C-14 dating, Polach wrote a letter to the late archaeologist Paul Maloney. In the second paragraph, Polach wrote, I received some very disturbing news from England. They confirmed my worst fears: Namely that some commercial motives were underlying the dating of the Shroud. It specifically deals with an action taken by the late Dr. Teddy Hall, head of the Oxford lab that was one of the three in the dating. I have more confirming details about this in my 2020 book, The 1988 C-14 Dating Of The Shroud of Turin: A Stunning Exposé. (See pages 279, 281, 304 and 305.)
Does this automatically suggest that the C-14 date obtained by Oxford was, on its face, suspect? No, after all, the other two labs obtained similar dates. However, my 2020 book is almost eight-hundred pages and is full of questionable events that happened before, during and after the C-14 dating. It is the accumulation of such events that makes the dating suspect for all three labs as far as producing the true date of the cloth. [I also have an article on my academia.edu page an article titled “Supplement to (Book) The 1988 C-14 Dating Of The Shroud of Turin: A Stunning Exposé,” which has over 80 additional entries of controversial actions.]
The first paragraph of the letter refers to a paper titled, The Carbon 14 Proposal [link is to draft only,] which Maloney had sent to the Pope and other Church officials, which was full of concerns that were ignored.
In the second paragraph, Maloney added a handwritten note regarding Polach’s source from England. The note says, The source is probably Dr. Otlet because I heard a similar story directly from him tho’ not with as many details. The late Dr. Robert Otlet was from the Harwell C-14 lab, which had been under consideration as one of the labs to take part in the dating. He is mentioned over three dozen times in my book.
In the third paragraph, in which Polach elaborates on the details he heard, Maloney added a handwritten note: Look at this! I reproduce the text of the letter in full below.
Other topics were discussed in the letter, including Rogers’ critique of McCrone’s work and some recommendations regarding the C-14 samples, which wouldn’t be taken for another six years. The recommendations are significant in light of what did happen in 1988. Below will be some excerpts from the letter. I have comments to make regarding the Raes/C-14 samples, but instead of making them here in the Introduction, I will make them after the excerpts are reproduced below. His critique of McCrone’s work follows some data regarding the Raes Samples.
Remember that McCrone had looked at only sticky-tape samples that Rogers had sent him, whereas Rogers had been able to examine the cloth directly in Turin. McCrone had actually put forth several versions of the forgery method he proposed, and at the time this letter was written, Rogers referred to it as McCrone’s “thumb-print hypothesis.”
Just a short while ago, I started looking at another box of Rogers’ materials owned by STERA. I saw a folder marked “Correspondence,” so I pulled it out to see if I would find anything particularly interesting in it. Boy, did I. Apropos the samples sent to McCrone, I found a letter from Rogers to McCrone, which included a cover sheet; the letter is a good complement to the letter from Carter to McCrone.
The late Dr. Walter McCrone (d. 2002) was a Chicago microscopist who asserted that the Shroud was a painting. McCrone, who never examined the Shroud directly was loaned the sticky-tape samples taken by the Shroud of Turin Research Project (STURP), which, based on multiple tests and direct examination of the cloth, concluded the image was not painted. (Carter was not a member of STURP.) McCrone, in his 1997 book, later referred to the samples as “my.” For some further background on McCrone, see my article Dr. Walter McCrone's Research on the Shroud of Turin Under a Microscope.
In this letter, Dr. Carter proposes alternative explanations for some of McCrone assertions. This letter was copied to STURP members, Dr. Eric Jumper, Dr. Alan Adler and Dr. John Heller. In several locations, Carter uses two scientific characters for elements that I don’t know how to reproduce on computer. One looks like a subscript capital “B” and the other looks like a subscript lower-case “a.” It won’t make much of a difference for most who read this!
One thing that struck me about this letter is the politeness and courtesy that Carter extended to McCrone. One often doesn’t find that between correspondents who have differing views about the Shroud.
In 2000, my late wife Sue Benford and I hypothesized that the announced 1989 dates of AD 1260-1390 for the samples were skewed by a repair that had been done in the C-14 corner.
Ray Rogers, who had accepted the validity of the dates given in 1989, thought the idea was absurd—and thought he could prove it. He still had (legally) some sticky-tape samples from the main part of the cloth from 1978 and also the Raes yarn segments that had been given to him by the late Prof. Luigi Gonella, scientific advisor to the late Cardinal Anastasio Ballestrero. He reasoned that after he examined both areas, he would find them to be the same, and thus able to prove the repair hypothesis. However, he found that the areas were chemically different. He even found in the C-14 corner, gum dye mordant and a cotton/linen splice, the characteristics that would be present had there been a repair. In a paper published in a peer-reviewed journal shortly before his death, he concluded that the C-14 sample was not representative of the main cloth. Thus, the 1989 announced dates were not valid for determining the actual age of the Shroud.
Rogers, though, wanted to have other scientists confirm his findings (repeatability is one of the hallmarks of scientific research). He sent several of the Raes segments to the late microscopist Dr. John Brown of the Georgia Tech Research Institute. Brown agreed with Rogers findings and published a short article in 2005.
It was about that time that the late sindonologist Episcopalian priest, Rev. Albert Dreisbach died. His massive Shroud collection was sent by his family, assisted by Russ Breault, to the late Barrie Schwortz’s Shroud of Turin Education and Research Association. Sadly, Barrie himself recently passed away, and I was one of several board members who relocated the massive STERA collection. I currently have access to the archives. In the Dreisbach collection, I found an interesting short report of which I was previously unaware. According to this report, John Brown sent the two Raes segments (#7 and #14, the two that Brown mentioned in his article) to a firm specializing in microanalysis near Atlanta called “MVA,” Inc. The firm found a coating that “has a different chemical composition than the fiber.” Although, they were unable to specifically weren’t able to identify the coating or detect a dye, it’s significant that they concluded that it the coating was chemically different form the fiber, which would be another confirmation of the hypothesis that a repair had been done in that area. I was surprised that Dr. Brown didn’t mention this report in his own 2005 article.
The letter was sent Fr. Dreisbach’s “The Atlanta International Center for the Continuing Study of the Shroud of Turin, Inc.” The cover letter lists the Subject as “Coated Fiber.”
Both men did not see eye to eye with the late microscopist Dr. Walter McCrone, who was loaned the sticky-tape samples that STURP had brought back with them. McCrone published a book with a chapter about Ray Rogers. Adler wrote the following to Rogers.
Pigment?" in Accounts of Chemical Research (1990, 23, 77-83). It was one of the two peer-reviewed Shroud papers that McCrone wrote, and the only one in English. All of his other Shroud articles were published in The Microscope, a journal his institute published, of which he was publisher and was also editor 1965-1995 and 2000.
Many people, including McCrone himself, believed that he was part of the Shroud of Turin Research Project (STURP), the group that studied the Shroud for five days and 120 consecutive hours in 1978. Although the late Ray Rogers of STURP did loan to McCrone some of the sticky-tape samples, he wasn’t officially part of the team. I confirmed that both with Dr. John Jackson, one of the co-founders of STURP and also the late Barrie Schwortz, the team’s Documenting Photographer.
All of the papers or articles that McCrone wrote used to be listed on the institute’s website, I can find none of them listed there now. In 2002, Ray Rogers was supposed to make a presentation about the Shroud to the American Chemical Society in San Antonio. However, he was ill and not able to make it, so he asked Barrie to make the presentation. Barrie set the record straight on a few matters, including a fact that surprised most of the chemists there: that McCrone had not actually studied the Shroud directly, but only via sticky-tape samples. In 2022, Barrie recounted his presentation in an article titled “Into the Lion’s Den.” Shortly thereafter, the Shroud articles in The Microscope were removed from the site. A few of his Shroud articles in other periodicals remained on the site but when I checked on August19, 2024, I was unable to find any of them. If anyone finds them, please let me know and I will correct this.
On June 24, 1990, four members of STURP, Dr. Alan Adler, Dr. Eric Jumper, Ray Rogers and Larry Schwalbe produced a document that they intended to send to the editor of Accounts of Chemical Research, Dr. Fred McLafferty. According to a letter by Adler to the other three, also dated June 24, 1990, also found in the STERA archives, it was submitted as a letter-to-the-editor. I do not know if it was ever published, but given the credentials of the four STURP members, I thought it would be worth publishing their critique.
Additional background information regarding McCrone can be found in my article, “Dr. Walter McCrone’s Research on the Shroud of Turin Under a Microscope.”
He had not heard yet of the invisible reweave hypothesis, which he first ridiculed and then later supported in a peer-reviewed paper. He would learn of that idea later that year. He inquired to Msgr. Poletto “Could samples have been switched in 1988?” The letter includes a discounting of McCrone’s assertion that the Shroud is a painting. It’s likely he never received a reply from Msgr. Poletto. He would often complain about a lack of responses from Turin to his inquiries. He notes at the end of the letter that one of the tests that STURP had performed in 1978, x-ray fluorescence analyses, had improved significantly a mere twenty-two years later.
It’s now been over forty-five years since STURP did their studies, and it’s safe to say that all of the tests they did in 1978 could be redone with better equipment. One wonders if the Vatican will ever let the upgraded science and technology of the 21st century be used on the Shroud to try and reveal more of its secrets.
In attempting to address the issue of TS’ 3-D characteristic, George DelaWarr’s remote-imaging camera starting in the 1940s into the 1960s is reexamined with modern technology and recent discoveries in quantum science. The results of spectral analysis with an electron microscope and image-analysis software of representative photographic plates produced by DelaWarr shows 3-D information, suggestive of holographic processing. The DelaWarr images are judged by some to be equal to or even superior to images produced by Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI) in the early 1970s. The discovery/development of Quantum Holography (QH) in the 1990s provides a theory to explain the DelaWarr results; a plausible connection can be made between the image-formation processes of each enigmatic phenomenon, TS and DelaWarr images, and provide a compelling comparison between both phenomena and MRI.
In attempting to reproduce the physio-chemical qualities of the TS image fibers, this paper presents experimental findings of tests conducted on a linen sample provided by STURP member, the late Dr. Alan Adler, in which discolored fibers matching those of the TS were obtained. The analyses included visual inspection, SEM, FTIR, Raman 2000, and light microscopy. The experimental sample was compared to a gamma-irradiated control linen sample. The discolored fibers on the experimental sample correspond closely with the physio-chemical characteristics of the TS image fibers. Thus, it can be concluded that the TS image was created as an unassisted *QuantaGraphy process.
*QuantaGraphy is defined as the process for creating both 2-D QuantaGraph and 3-D QuantaGram images presumably from the space/time-independent quantum field.
N.B. This is part 2 of 2. Part 1 is "3D Information in the Fields of Bioenergetics and Quantum Theory"
A research study was conducted on the camera in 1951 at St. Bartholomew’s Hospital in London, where it confirmed the diagnoses of 400 patients. However, DelaWarr faced complex political, scientific, and social scrutiny in post-war England, and despite the success of the 1951 study, his discoveries were virtually forgotten and untested. Notable scientists, such as the late Apollo astronaut Edgar Mitchell, and the late biophysicist John Heller both believed in the validity of DelaWarr’s work. This suggests that the Turin Shroud should be considered in light of radionics and the DelaWarr camera.
N.B. This is part 1 of 2. Part 2 is "Empirical Findings Suggesting Comparability Among the Turin Shroud (TS), QuantaGraphy [trademarked], and Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI)"
In attempting to address the issue of TS’ 3-D characteristic, George DelaWarr’s remote-imaging camera starting in the 1940s into the 1960s is reexamined with modern technology and recent discoveries in quantum science. The results of spectral analysis with an electron microscope and image-analysis software of representative photographic plates produced by DelaWarr shows 3-D information, suggestive of holographic processing. The DelaWarr images are judged by some to be equal to or even superior to images produced by Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI) in the early 1970s. The discovery/development of Quantum Holography (QH) in the 1990s provides a theory to explain the DelaWarr results; a plausible connection can be made between the image-formation processes of each enigmatic phenomenon, TS and DelaWarr images, and provide a compelling comparison between both phenomena and MRI.
In attempting to reproduce the physio-chemical qualities of the TS image fibers, this paper presents experimental findings of tests conducted on a linen sample provided by STURP member, the late Dr. Alan Adler, in which discolored fibers matching those of the TS were obtained. The analyses included visual inspection, SEM, FTIR, Raman 2000, and light microscopy. The experimental sample was compared to a gamma-irradiated control linen sample. The discolored fibers on the experimental sample correspond closely with the physio-chemical characteristics of the TS image fibers. Thus, it can be concluded that the TS image was created as an unassisted *QuantaGraphy process.
*QuantaGraphy is defined as the process for creating both 2-D QuantaGraph and 3-D QuantaGram images presumably from the space/time-independent quantum field.
N.B: this is part 2 of 2. The first part is "3D Information in the Fields of Bioenergetics and Quantum Theory.
A research study was conducted on the camera in 1951 at St. Bartholomew’s Hospital in London, where it confirmed the diagnoses of 400 patients. However, DelaWarr faced complex political, scientific, and social scrutiny in post-war England, and despite the success of the 1951 study, his discoveries were virtually forgotten and untested. Notable scientists, such as the late Apollo astronaut Edgar Mitchell, and the late biophysicist John Heller both believed in the validity of DelaWarr’s work. This suggests that the Turin Shroud should be considered in light of radionics and the DelaWarr camera.
N.B. This is part 1 of 2. Part 2 is "Empirical Findings Suggesting Comparability Among the Turin Shroud (TS), QuantaGraphy (Trademarked), and Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI)
As I mentioned in the article uploaded on November 30, although this letter is marked confidential, all of the people mentioned here are deceased (except for Bollone), and I believe it’s important that the background of the dating is revealed in the name of the search for truth.
The letter in this article was written from Rev. Kim Dreisbach of the “Atlanta International Center for the Continuing Study and Exhibit of the Shroud of Turin” to Fr. Peter Rinaldi of the Holy Shroud Guild. The latter played a key role as liaison between the Turin authorities and STURP, which had hoped to be involved in the proposed C-14 dating of the Shroud.
Samples were taken on April 21, 1988, but STURP had been maneuvered out of the testing by Dr. Harry Gove and others. See my book The 1988 C-14 Dating Of The Shroud of Turin: A Stunning Exposé. The excerpts reproduced below pick up from the opening paragraphs that can be seen in the graphic at the beginning of this article.
In August 2000, my late wife Sue Benford and I made a presentation titled "Evidence for the Skewing of the C-14 Dating of the Shroud of Turin Due to Repairs" at the “Sindone 2000” conference in Orvieto, Italy. The late Ray Rogers, a chemist of the Shroud of Turin Research Project (STURP), thought the idea was preposterous, but after comparing threads from the main part of the Shroud with threads from the C-14 area, concluded that the area had been rewoven. His findings were published in the peer-reviewed paper “Studies on the Radiocarbon Sample from the Shroud of Turin.” He related that on December 12, 2003, he had received actual threads from the center of a leftover sample kept by Turin from April 21, 1988.
I recently discovered two interesting letters containing material regarding the reweave possibility. Although the Dreisbach letter indicates it was for Fr. Adam Otterbein and Fr. Rinaldi of the Holy Shroud Guild, it was apparently written to the late Shroud researcher Dr. Alan Whanger and then forwarded to Frs. Otterbein and Rinaldi.
The Dreisbach letter is designated as confidential but as he, Fr. Otterbein, Fr. Rinaldi, and Dr. Whanger are all deceased, and it’s been over thirty-five years, I think it’s important to release the information insofar as it reveals more of the politics I documented in my 2020 book The 1988 C-14 Dating Of The Shroud of Turin: A Stunning Exposé.
The last number of the date year on the Dreisbach letter is cut off, but it is clear from the content that it was 1989. Another STURP member, the late blood chemist Al Adler, who was a Jew, is mentioned. Also mentioned is the late Prof. Luigi Gonella, scientific advisor to Cardinal Ballestrero of Turin.
On April 11, 1988, ten days before the samples were taken for the Shroud C-14 dating, Polach wrote a letter to the late archaeologist Paul Maloney. In the second paragraph, Polach wrote, I received some very disturbing news from England. They confirmed my worst fears: Namely that some commercial motives were underlying the dating of the Shroud. It specifically deals with an action taken by the late Dr. Teddy Hall, head of the Oxford lab that was one of the three in the dating. I have more confirming details about this in my 2020 book, The 1988 C-14 Dating Of The Shroud of Turin: A Stunning Exposé. (See pages 279, 281, 304 and 305.)
Does this automatically suggest that the C-14 date obtained by Oxford was, on its face, suspect? No, after all, the other two labs obtained similar dates. However, my 2020 book is almost eight-hundred pages and is full of questionable events that happened before, during and after the C-14 dating. It is the accumulation of such events that makes the dating suspect for all three labs as far as producing the true date of the cloth. [I also have an article on my academia.edu page an article titled “Supplement to (Book) The 1988 C-14 Dating Of The Shroud of Turin: A Stunning Exposé,” which has over 80 additional entries of controversial actions.]
The first paragraph of the letter refers to a paper titled, The Carbon 14 Proposal [link is to draft only,] which Maloney had sent to the Pope and other Church officials, which was full of concerns that were ignored.
In the second paragraph, Maloney added a handwritten note regarding Polach’s source from England. The note says, The source is probably Dr. Otlet because I heard a similar story directly from him tho’ not with as many details. The late Dr. Robert Otlet was from the Harwell C-14 lab, which had been under consideration as one of the labs to take part in the dating. He is mentioned over three dozen times in my book.
In the third paragraph, in which Polach elaborates on the details he heard, Maloney added a handwritten note: Look at this! I reproduce the text of the letter in full below.
Other topics were discussed in the letter, including Rogers’ critique of McCrone’s work and some recommendations regarding the C-14 samples, which wouldn’t be taken for another six years. The recommendations are significant in light of what did happen in 1988. Below will be some excerpts from the letter. I have comments to make regarding the Raes/C-14 samples, but instead of making them here in the Introduction, I will make them after the excerpts are reproduced below. His critique of McCrone’s work follows some data regarding the Raes Samples.
Remember that McCrone had looked at only sticky-tape samples that Rogers had sent him, whereas Rogers had been able to examine the cloth directly in Turin. McCrone had actually put forth several versions of the forgery method he proposed, and at the time this letter was written, Rogers referred to it as McCrone’s “thumb-print hypothesis.”
Just a short while ago, I started looking at another box of Rogers’ materials owned by STERA. I saw a folder marked “Correspondence,” so I pulled it out to see if I would find anything particularly interesting in it. Boy, did I. Apropos the samples sent to McCrone, I found a letter from Rogers to McCrone, which included a cover sheet; the letter is a good complement to the letter from Carter to McCrone.
The late Dr. Walter McCrone (d. 2002) was a Chicago microscopist who asserted that the Shroud was a painting. McCrone, who never examined the Shroud directly was loaned the sticky-tape samples taken by the Shroud of Turin Research Project (STURP), which, based on multiple tests and direct examination of the cloth, concluded the image was not painted. (Carter was not a member of STURP.) McCrone, in his 1997 book, later referred to the samples as “my.” For some further background on McCrone, see my article Dr. Walter McCrone's Research on the Shroud of Turin Under a Microscope.
In this letter, Dr. Carter proposes alternative explanations for some of McCrone assertions. This letter was copied to STURP members, Dr. Eric Jumper, Dr. Alan Adler and Dr. John Heller. In several locations, Carter uses two scientific characters for elements that I don’t know how to reproduce on computer. One looks like a subscript capital “B” and the other looks like a subscript lower-case “a.” It won’t make much of a difference for most who read this!
One thing that struck me about this letter is the politeness and courtesy that Carter extended to McCrone. One often doesn’t find that between correspondents who have differing views about the Shroud.
In 2000, my late wife Sue Benford and I hypothesized that the announced 1989 dates of AD 1260-1390 for the samples were skewed by a repair that had been done in the C-14 corner.
Ray Rogers, who had accepted the validity of the dates given in 1989, thought the idea was absurd—and thought he could prove it. He still had (legally) some sticky-tape samples from the main part of the cloth from 1978 and also the Raes yarn segments that had been given to him by the late Prof. Luigi Gonella, scientific advisor to the late Cardinal Anastasio Ballestrero. He reasoned that after he examined both areas, he would find them to be the same, and thus able to prove the repair hypothesis. However, he found that the areas were chemically different. He even found in the C-14 corner, gum dye mordant and a cotton/linen splice, the characteristics that would be present had there been a repair. In a paper published in a peer-reviewed journal shortly before his death, he concluded that the C-14 sample was not representative of the main cloth. Thus, the 1989 announced dates were not valid for determining the actual age of the Shroud.
Rogers, though, wanted to have other scientists confirm his findings (repeatability is one of the hallmarks of scientific research). He sent several of the Raes segments to the late microscopist Dr. John Brown of the Georgia Tech Research Institute. Brown agreed with Rogers findings and published a short article in 2005.
It was about that time that the late sindonologist Episcopalian priest, Rev. Albert Dreisbach died. His massive Shroud collection was sent by his family, assisted by Russ Breault, to the late Barrie Schwortz’s Shroud of Turin Education and Research Association. Sadly, Barrie himself recently passed away, and I was one of several board members who relocated the massive STERA collection. I currently have access to the archives. In the Dreisbach collection, I found an interesting short report of which I was previously unaware. According to this report, John Brown sent the two Raes segments (#7 and #14, the two that Brown mentioned in his article) to a firm specializing in microanalysis near Atlanta called “MVA,” Inc. The firm found a coating that “has a different chemical composition than the fiber.” Although, they were unable to specifically weren’t able to identify the coating or detect a dye, it’s significant that they concluded that it the coating was chemically different form the fiber, which would be another confirmation of the hypothesis that a repair had been done in that area. I was surprised that Dr. Brown didn’t mention this report in his own 2005 article.
The letter was sent Fr. Dreisbach’s “The Atlanta International Center for the Continuing Study of the Shroud of Turin, Inc.” The cover letter lists the Subject as “Coated Fiber.”
Both men did not see eye to eye with the late microscopist Dr. Walter McCrone, who was loaned the sticky-tape samples that STURP had brought back with them. McCrone published a book with a chapter about Ray Rogers. Adler wrote the following to Rogers.
Pigment?" in Accounts of Chemical Research (1990, 23, 77-83). It was one of the two peer-reviewed Shroud papers that McCrone wrote, and the only one in English. All of his other Shroud articles were published in The Microscope, a journal his institute published, of which he was publisher and was also editor 1965-1995 and 2000.
Many people, including McCrone himself, believed that he was part of the Shroud of Turin Research Project (STURP), the group that studied the Shroud for five days and 120 consecutive hours in 1978. Although the late Ray Rogers of STURP did loan to McCrone some of the sticky-tape samples, he wasn’t officially part of the team. I confirmed that both with Dr. John Jackson, one of the co-founders of STURP and also the late Barrie Schwortz, the team’s Documenting Photographer.
All of the papers or articles that McCrone wrote used to be listed on the institute’s website, I can find none of them listed there now. In 2002, Ray Rogers was supposed to make a presentation about the Shroud to the American Chemical Society in San Antonio. However, he was ill and not able to make it, so he asked Barrie to make the presentation. Barrie set the record straight on a few matters, including a fact that surprised most of the chemists there: that McCrone had not actually studied the Shroud directly, but only via sticky-tape samples. In 2022, Barrie recounted his presentation in an article titled “Into the Lion’s Den.” Shortly thereafter, the Shroud articles in The Microscope were removed from the site. A few of his Shroud articles in other periodicals remained on the site but when I checked on August19, 2024, I was unable to find any of them. If anyone finds them, please let me know and I will correct this.
On June 24, 1990, four members of STURP, Dr. Alan Adler, Dr. Eric Jumper, Ray Rogers and Larry Schwalbe produced a document that they intended to send to the editor of Accounts of Chemical Research, Dr. Fred McLafferty. According to a letter by Adler to the other three, also dated June 24, 1990, also found in the STERA archives, it was submitted as a letter-to-the-editor. I do not know if it was ever published, but given the credentials of the four STURP members, I thought it would be worth publishing their critique.
Additional background information regarding McCrone can be found in my article, “Dr. Walter McCrone’s Research on the Shroud of Turin Under a Microscope.”
He had not heard yet of the invisible reweave hypothesis, which he first ridiculed and then later supported in a peer-reviewed paper. He would learn of that idea later that year. He inquired to Msgr. Poletto “Could samples have been switched in 1988?” The letter includes a discounting of McCrone’s assertion that the Shroud is a painting. It’s likely he never received a reply from Msgr. Poletto. He would often complain about a lack of responses from Turin to his inquiries. He notes at the end of the letter that one of the tests that STURP had performed in 1978, x-ray fluorescence analyses, had improved significantly a mere twenty-two years later.
It’s now been over forty-five years since STURP did their studies, and it’s safe to say that all of the tests they did in 1978 could be redone with better equipment. One wonders if the Vatican will ever let the upgraded science and technology of the 21st century be used on the Shroud to try and reveal more of its secrets.
Druzik sent a type-written letter to D’Muhala with no typed date, but there is a “(March-April ’86)” handwritten notation at the top right of the letter. This was about two years before the sample-taking of the Shroud done in April 1988.
Druzik references an inquiry made by the late Prof. Luigi Gonella, the scientific advisor to Cardinal Ballestrero in Turin, regarding how much carbon is found in linen.
The data is a bit technical, but it might be interesting to those who have the skills to number-crunch data relevant to C-14 dating.
As head of STURP’s C-14 committee, Dinegar was more familiar than most regarding the behind-the-scenes dealings with the testing proposals. (Dinegar uses the acronym STRP instead of the usual “STURP.”)
When he was alive, I urged him on more than one occasion to write a book about, but he unfortunately never did. After he died in 2005, his daughter sent his collection to Barrie Schwortz’s Shroud of Turin Educational and Research Association (STERA). Barrie sadly died on June 21, 2024, and the STERA board has come into the possession of the STERA collection.
The cover letter you find reproduced below was written a little less than 6 months before the taking of the Shroud C-14 sample on April 21, 2024. It was written to the late Prof. Luigi Gonella, the scientific advisor to Cardinal Ballestrero of Turin. The crux of the letter (signed forms and additional letters from signers not included here) is that many scientists, including those from representatives from 2 of the 3 labs (Oxford and Arizona) and others peripherally involved in the Shroud dating, signed a document giving support to STURP’s C-14 proposal. However, most of that support dissipated later. The question is why?
The list of names who signed their names to supporting STURP’s C-14 proposal is impressive:
Caton, Roy (U. of New Mexico)
Damon, Paul (Arizona)
Donahue, Doug (Arizona)
Gove, Harry (Rochester)
Hall, Edward (Oxford)
Hedges, R.E.M. (Oxford)
Harbottle, Garman (Brookhaven)
Martin, John S. (Wright State U.)
Otlet, Robert (Harwell)
Pedrotti, Leno (Air Force Institute of Technology)
Sampson, Orwyn (USAF Academy)
Sayre, Edward (Brookhaven)
Sondheim, Walter (LASL)
Stuiver, Minze (U. of Washington)
Torvik, Peter (Air Force Institute of Technology)
White, Nick (Oxford)
Yaney, Perry (U. of Dayton)
[Also someone from U. of New Mexico who signature is
totally illegible!]
The letter indicates that Dinegar, only about 6 months before the C-14 sample was extracting, was abhorring the politics of the testing.
Rogers originally accepted the C-14 results but began to question them after his reentry into Shroud studies. Rogers’ correspondence from 2000 until his death in 2005 is voluminous. This letter is to the late sindonologist and historian Dorothy Crispino, who was publisher and editor of Shroud Spectrum International. In it he discusses a variety of topics, including the 1978 STURP examination and aspects of the image-formation process, the 1988 C-14 dating and the 2002 Restoration. He mentions a report he made after the Restoration; Barrie had mentioned to me that there were only a few copies of the report. I’m hoping to eventually find a copy in the Rogers’ archives.
I would also like to discount a claim that I often hear made about Rogers. One will hear some researchers say that Rogers was an atheist. It might make for a better story vis-à-vis his ultimate belief that the Shroud may have wrapped Jesus, the claim is simply incorrect. Although Barrie did not know in 1978 what Rogers’ religious persuasion, if any, he later discovered that Rogers attended the Episcopal church pastored by fellow STURP chemist, the late Dr. Robert Dinegar. As Rogers’ cancer progressed however, he was unable to attend church in his last years. So, if you hear someone claim that Rogers was an atheist, please help to set the record straight.
I found in the archives another letter that Rogers wrote to the Pope, just five days later, in which he goes into further detail about the problems with the Restoration. It consisted of a cover letter and an attachment. Rogers, along with other researchers, sent their comments to shroud.com regarding it. Rogers’ comments on the site differ from the ones sent to the Pope found below. The comments on the site were much more for the layman, whereas the comments to the Pope are very technical, to the degree that in a few places I was unable to reproduce the scientific symbol used.
I was one of Barrie’s board members. In late July 2024, board members Russ Breault, Guy Powell and I traveled to Barrie’s home to retrieve all the Shroud material that he had collected over the years and had donated to STERA. It was Russ who suggested to me to disseminate important archival material by posting short articles on academia.edu. Various Shroud researchers arranged for their Shroud collections to be donated to STERA, including the late Raymond N. Rogers, who headed the Chemistry Section of the STURP studies and the late Dr. Robert Dinegar, a chemist who would have headed STURP’s C-14 committee had they been chosen to participate in the 1988 C-14 dating of the Shroud.
I now have access to these archives. The material reproduced below was on a flash drive, with the document name “My letter to Pope.” I previously had not seen this letter. Although it is over twenty years old, I think it is important for the historical record. I don’t know for sure, but my guess is that Rogers received no reply. Rogers and I had both been part of the Internet group “Shroud Science Group,” consisting of scientists and researchers from all over the world. In that group and also privately, Rogers had shared some of his important correspondence he had regarding the 1988 dating. I reproduced that correspondence in my 2020 book, The 1988 C-14 Dating Of The Shroud of Turin: A Stunning Exposé. I also published additional information on academia.edu in an article titled “Supplement to (Book) The 1988 C-14 Dating Of The Shroud of Turin: A Stunning Exposé.”
Below is the letter from Rogers to the Pope. Barrie told me in the past that Rogers had more integrity than any other scientist that he knew. I find such correspondence ultra interesting because one can get insights and information that one will never find in a peer-reviewed journal paper.