Wikidata:Property proposal/dtf.ru person ID
dtf.ru person ID
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Under discussion
| Description | many notable russian speaking game designers have accounts on that website |
|---|---|
| Represents | DTF (Q4051032) |
| Data type | External identifier |
| Domain | human (Q5) |
| Example 1 | Nikolay Dybowski (Q130453585) → 30271 |
| Example 2 | Dmitry Gusarov (Q4152617) → 161216 |
| Example 3 | Novik (Q130454004) → 320176 |
Motivation
editdtf.ru is a notable website about video games. Vitaly Zdanevich (talk) 23:30, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
Discussion
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Notified participants of WikiProject Video games --Lewis Hulbert (talk) 09:49, 7 October 2024 (UTC)- Can you elaborate? Is this a social network? Are these user profiles? Why are they empty? Matthias M. (talk) 10:04, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Matthias M.: It used to be a social network for video game designers, but it was relaunched in 2016 and now it's more like a collaborative blog about video games. Any person can make an account and post videogames-related stuff. Some posts are written by staff members, and those are considered a reliable source at least in Russian Wikipedia. Currently almost no posts are gamedev-related.
With that said, I'm not sure I support this property. The vast majority of DTF account holders are non-notable (for instance, me). There is no infromation you can extract from DTF that would be suitable for Wikidata, you can only see posts and comments the person made. Novik account from examples section isn't even verified, I would advocate against connecting it with Wikidata. Unless there are lots of verified accounts for notable persons (which has to be proved), I don't see much use for this property. A particle for world to form (talk) 10:51, 7 October 2024 (UTC)- I found https://dtf.ru/u/443496-gabe-newell but I am not sure if it is legit. Matthias M. (talk) 19:27, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- It is most certainly not legit. Someone made an account named Gabe Newell, that's it. A particle for world to form (talk) 21:35, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- > The vast majority of DTF account holders are non-notable
- The same for Facebook, X, YouTube.
- Most of the notable Russian speaking game designers have an account on dtf.ru Vitaly Zdanevich (talk) 09:53, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- There aren't that many notable Russian speaking game designers to begin with. And while many of them might have an account on dtf.ru, the vast majority of them do not post anything. Also it's a bad sign when you have to do a direct communication with the designer to confirm that the account is legit.
Facebook, X and YouTube are social networks, also it's a primary tool for doing PR. Whenever you visit an official website for a person, a studio or a game, you can usually find links to social networks. I've never seen anything like that with DTF.
DTF is more like IGN, Rock Paper Shotgun, Polygon, etc. We do not have properties for accounts for these websites, even though some of notable video game journalists and designers might have an account there. A particle for world to form (talk) 13:33, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- There aren't that many notable Russian speaking game designers to begin with. And while many of them might have an account on dtf.ru, the vast majority of them do not post anything. Also it's a bad sign when you have to do a direct communication with the designer to confirm that the account is legit.
- > Novik account from examples section isn't even verified
- I did a communication with him - its a famous guy, for example - author of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammer_%26_Sickle and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_Watch_(video_game) Vitaly Zdanevich (talk) 09:55, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- This is a page about some game designers on dtf.ru https://dtf.ru/games/2886476-16-igr-ot-rossiiskih-razrabotchikov-kotorye-sidyat-postyat-i-otvechayut-na-dtf-tut-i-horror-i-strategiya-i-taktika-i-shuter-mnogo-raznogo Vitaly Zdanevich (talk) 10:01, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- I found https://dtf.ru/u/443496-gabe-newell but I am not sure if it is legit. Matthias M. (talk) 19:27, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Matthias M.: It used to be a social network for video game designers, but it was relaunched in 2016 and now it's more like a collaborative blog about video games. Any person can make an account and post videogames-related stuff. Some posts are written by staff members, and those are considered a reliable source at least in Russian Wikipedia. Currently almost no posts are gamedev-related.
Weak support Being a Russian speaking person, I can confirm DTF being a quite notable source. I'm giving it only a week support, because I think that only verified accounts should be linked to Wikidata, if a person is notable. I see this proposal as a Facebook ID of some sort, so why not. It just needs a bit of adjustment to my taste. --David Osipov (talk) 12:06, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Support --MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 09:04, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
Oppose. While DTF is indeed a notable source about video games, there's nothing notable in having an account on this website, especially when this account haven't posted anything and only left a dozen of comments (which is true for all three examples). I'm not convinced there is a potential for more than a couple of dozens of statements for the proposed property and I don't see any way Wikidata can benefit from that. Also, while Wikidata doesn't seem to have "No original research" policy, I heavily dislike the fact you have to contact the person to verify their account. A particle for world to form (talk) 13:48, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
Weak oppose Unless there's exceptional circumstances, properties should usually be expected to be used at least 100 times, and I'm not quite convinced there's enough notable users on this website to meet that requirement. This is a better use case for website account on (P553), in my opinion. --Lewis Hulbert (talk) 15:35, 4 November 2024 (UTC)