Fact repository

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This is a proposal for a new Wikimedia sister project.
WikiFacts
Status of the proposal
Statusunder discussion
Details of the proposal
Project descriptionA wiki of structured abstract knowledge base of facts, each fact will have an id number. It allows sharing knowledge on point, accurately and concisely. Allows verification and pointing out factual errors thus fighting misinformation.
Is it a multilingual wiki?Yes, similar to Wikifunctions
Potential number of languagesAll. Multilingual and Translated, similar to Wikidata & Wikifunctions.
Proposed taglineA fact-id for every fact! / The free fact base that anyone can improve
Technical requirements
New features to requireFeatures already used by Wikidata and Wikifunctions will be used.
Development wikiWikiSpore:WikiFacts Spore

Proposal

A Wiki of Facts, as part of or along with Wikifunctions. WikiFacts will be a structured base for facts, and each fact will be given an id number. WikiFacts allows sharing knowledge on point, accurately and concisely. It allows verification and pointing out factual errors precisely, thus fighting misinformation. Demo website at: WikiSpore:WikiFacts_Spore.

Features

  • A bulleted, structured facts wiki
  • Each fact will get its own fact-id, so that people can share the id to support claims made in discussions elsewhere.
    • Abstract Wikipedia currently gets an Z-id similar to Q-id of wikidata. This proposal requests fact-id for each statement or facts.
  • WikiFacts would change the way people quote facts. Instead of inefficiently linking to a whole book-page to cite a fact, the fact-id can be used which will point to just the fact.
  • References are added to it to support the claim.
  • The main aim of this project is to share knowledge statements and facts as it is, rather than phrasing it in article, encyclopedia, book or Q&A format.
  • Each page about a topic will list bulleted list of facts, with each facts having its own id. Every page is a collection of list of facts.
  • It presents Facts directly without hiding it in verbose prose. Cut to the chase!
    • In a sense WikiFacts can be viewed as Wikipedia broken down in to facts.
  • A fact-id is given for every fact: e.g., the statements made in abstract Wikipedia, Wikidata statements, etc.
    • Wikidata statements also can get a fact-id. e.g: "Potato (Q16587531) is a (P279) vegetable (Q11004)"
  • A sub-id can be given for different phrasings of same facts and for combined statements.
  • Fact statements are smartphone friendly, easy to share, quick and suitable for social media like Twitter, fb, Pinterest, etc.
    • This will attract more new readers and contributors as it is very well suited to be shared in popular social media.
  • It will act as an intermediatory between WikiData and Abstract WIkipedia. Data → Facts → Articles

Need

 
"It is the absence of facts that frightens people: the gap you open, into which they pour their fears, fantasies, desires." —Hilary Mantel

Facts are the finest form of knowledge and factual knowledge affects the decisions made.

Facts are cited very inefficiently in the present world. Often people have to refer to an entire page to cite one fact, as there is no mechanism to link directly to facts. This also results in varying degrees of misinformation. This is especially amplified in this smartphone era.

Often searching for a needed knowledge fact is like finding needle in a haystack. It is often covered in distractive long-winded phrases. WikiFacts points directly to the fact.

A facts website is very essential to the humanity but none has been set up yet. The project is within the core of WMF mission: it allows sharing the knowledge straight to the point.

WikiFacts can also provide umbrella for "Factchecking" and "Q&A" projects.

People use different formats of websites to collect and learn facts. This project will cut to the chase and give facts, straight to the point!

Example facts

  1. Each statement of a list like this Abstract Wikipedia/Examples/Jupiter will get its own id.
  2. A page will list facts like this : w:List_of_common_misconceptions and each fact in it will get its own id. It should be written like abstract Wikipedia using Wikidata in a language independent way.
  3. Facts will be compact and can be shared like Massimo's fact tweets on twitter.

Facts can be of many types: scientific facts, historical facts, news events. Strictness qualifiers can be added: general statements, strictly, consensus, some, sometimes, often, estimates, opinions, etc.

Future

  • The facts/statements that are confirmed and stable may be page-protected.
  • Other proposed wikis such as Structured Wikiquote, Wikifactchecking wiki, etc. can be made a subset of this project. The Q&A forums (Wikiask) can be setup along side to answer and formulate facts.
  • Every research paper published can be scavenged for finding new claims. So this also provides a way to extract information without copyright issues as data cannot be copyrighted.
  • This will become a go-to site to learn, find, link, support and verify facts/statements/claims.
  • It will allow also the smartphone users to efficiently contribute to the free knowledge, as this project is apt to be edited from mobile devices more than convensional wikis are.
  • Levels of importance, interestingness, wow-ness, usefulness, etc. can also be specified. Facts will be categorized based on type, topic, and many other ways.
  • Avoids truncating information as Wikipedia cuts-down information to prevent undue weight.
  • Other knowledge formats focuses on topic and omits some facts for keeping content on-topic; this project will instead be focused on Facts.
  • Over time, WikiFacts will have more reliability and credibility than any other format of knowledge.
  • Fights misinformation

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People interested

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  1. Vis M (talk) 15:32, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Your inputs, suggestions and modifications to this proposal are welcome!

From my point of view what this suggestion brings with it is a checking of statements in Wikidata and this is something I support but I dont think that there needs to be locking of checked statements and no extra ID for facts. Maybe it is possible to create a filter report for that. From my point of view there should be more support for people if they want to add information in Wikidata. A plan I have is that I go to a library if this is possible again and then take there books and add statements out of the books I have found there and then add the books where I have the information extracted of as the source of the statements. This is something where I currently dont know how to correctly add it. If your proposal is not succesful I think it could be possible to do it without having a own ID. Improving the data quality and make sure that something is correct is a important goal and necessary to be a trusted source.--Hogü-456 (talk) 19:27, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. This project aims to extract information from books and simply list it under a topic. Fact-id was proposed to give focus to the facts than topic, and also to allow easy and precise citations. Thanks! -Vis M (talk) 17:08, 3 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not really clear - we can't use Wikidata as a replacement for reliable sources and Verifiability. And what's a facT? Millions say that it's a fact that Trump won the election. Also see this section in enWiki's article on "Fact". [1]. Doug Weller (talk) 15:30, 10 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As described in #Example facts, qualifiers can be add to denote scientific facts, historical facts, general statements, strictness, consensus, estimates, opinions, etc. The main purpose is to breakdown articles into statements, and give focus to individual pieces of facts & statements than topic. Vis M (talk) 07:06, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Doug Weller. To have an open-ended "wiki of facts" suggests humans have evolved to the point that we now have unlimited access to facts on all subjects and knowledge has become immutable, insulated from the potential of paradigm shifts. Since that's not true, what we will really have is a wiki of majoritarian viewpoints versus a wiki of facts. To quote the late Michael Crichton, "I regard consensus science as an extremely pernicious development that ought to be stopped cold in its tracks. Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled ... Science ... requires only one investigator who happens to be right ... In science, consensus is irrelevant." The application of our normal consensus model in this format, in which "facts" are presented as concise absolutes and no room for context or nuance is offered, is extremely anti-intellectual, in my opinion. [2] Chetsford (talk) 15:30, 11 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]