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{{Likely}}: Likely | {{Deferred}}: Deferred to |
{{Possible}}: Possible | {{Completed}}: Completed |
{{Unlikely}}: Unlikely | {{TakeNote}}: Note: |
{{Unrelated}}: Unrelated | {{Doing}}: Doing... |
{{Inconclusive}}: Inconclusive | {{StaleIP}}: Stale
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{{Pixiedust}}: CheckUser is not magic pixie dust | {{8ball}}: The CheckUser Magic 8-Ball says |
{{Duck}}: It looks like a duck to me | {{Crystalball}}: CheckUser is not a crystal ball |
<translate> This page is for requesting CheckUser information on a wiki with no local CheckUsers (see also [[<tvar name="SRP">Steward requests/Permissions</tvar>|requesting checkuser access]]). Make sure to follow the following instructions, or your request may not be processed in a timely manner.</translate>
<translate> Before making a request:</translate>
- <translate> Make sure you have a good reason for the check. It will only be accepted to counter vandalism or disruption to Wikimedia wikis. Valid reasons include needing a block of the underlying IP or IP range, disruptive sockpuppetry, vote-stacking, and similar disruption where the technical evidence from running a check would prevent or reduce further disruption.</translate>
- <translate> Be specific in your reasons. Ambiguous or insufficient reasons will cause delays. Explain the disruption and why you believe the accounts are related, ideally using [[<tvar name="diff">mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Diff</tvar>|diff links]] or other evidence.</translate>
- <translate> Make sure there are no local checkusers.</translate>
- <translate> Please ensure that the check hasn't already been done:</translate>
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Brox@lt.wikipedia
- List of users
- Tik-Kon (contr · deleted · block · log · block log · CA · guc · checkuser · lwcheckuser)
- Vitalis (contr · deleted · block · log · block log · CA · guc · checkuser · lwcheckuser)
- Sands (contr · deleted · block · log · block log · CA · guc · checkuser · lwcheckuser)
- Petriukas (contr · deleted · block · log · block log · CA · guc · checkuser · lwcheckuser)
- Žiedas (contr · deleted · block · log · block log · CA · guc · checkuser · lwcheckuser)
- Brox appears to be blocked on only one wiki, nl.wikipedia, where the user had few edits. Brox has not been blocked on lt.wikipedia, where he has 23,282 edits. What has been blocked on lt.wikipedia is Sands (by Brox), Tik-Kon (by Snooker and Brox), Passutis (by Snooker). A quick glance at the contributions of the blocked users revealed that most edits were standing. Whatever they were doing doesn't seem to have been highly disruptive.--Abd 20:34, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
- Confirmed:
- Sands
- Tik-Kon
- Passutis
Based on geolocation, it is Likely that these users are Brox.
--PeterSymonds (talk) 20:13, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
- Please Recheck lt:user:Sands, lt:user:Tik-Kon and lt:user:Passutis. it's not my (lt:user:Brox)! Please describe observations/reasoning, as specific addresses were assigned to lt:user:Brox. --Brox 14:41, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
- This is worth an independent examination. Geolocation is the weakest possible connection. This could easily be explained by a single user with the other accounts "confirmed" who sits in the same region covered by ISP(s) as Brox. Any review should explicitly state the weakness or strength of the identification. To my mind, PeterSymonds already did that, but others, not familiar with checkuser evidence, might interpret "likely" as something stronger than it is. My guess is that "Possible" would have been more accurate. I see that on lt.wikipedia, the result here is being treated as if definitive proof, see [2]. What the result actually strongly confirms is the three blocked accounts. The identification with Brox looks weak. --Abd 20:34, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
I don't have the time to give more information atm, but please see this file on nlwiki, this (still open) global lock request and this RFC. I can provide more info tomorrow if necessary. Trijnstel 22:10, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
- I personally blocked all those accounts that have been confirmed. The problem with Brox is that he has already admitted to using multiple accounts in past, for example Dendrolo is really Brox's account as he himself tagged the user page that it's his past account even those he used it recently. He recently even created a category for his sockpuppet accounts. Also he had problems on nl.wikipedia. So it cannot be a coincidence, but it is strange for me that Brox is denying all those accusations. So I requested further information on this matter, and I suppose that geolocational confirmation has given Brox the reason to deny everything. Trijnstel, please provide information that you have. Thanks in advance. Tomreves 06:06, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- I agree that clarification will be helpful. There is major disruption developing out of what seems unclear about this CU. I'm collapsing my explanations and research, but the same kind of weak ID seems to have taken place with the NL CUs. --Abd 17:43, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- @Tomreves: Brox used several IPs of Lithuanian mobile phone ranges of "Omntel Lithuania". And for the crosswiki abuse: here is perfectly explained (in English) what Brox did wrong on nlwiki. He did that probably on more projects too (I haven't checked that; MoiraMoira did almost all the work - except for the checkuser of course). Trijnstel 18:55, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- Brox is clearly Dendrolo, that's not controversial. Did the behavior of Dendrolo and Brox differ? They did not edit at the same time, so IP may have varied, but I'd guess they had the same user agent information, and Brox claims fixed IP, I think. Trinjstel seems to be assuming that Brox is all the accounts using those IP ranges. It's looking like there is no other evidence. --Abd 20:09, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- Sadly, event faced with problems User:Brox continues his disruptive actions in his home lt.wikipedia creating havoc with his illogical categorization of articles. I can understand User:MoiraMoira, the stubborn position and refusal to cooperate from Brox's side, can drive even most patient users crazy. @Trijnstel, thanks for the reply. Tomreves 19:07, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- I could write a great deal about Brox now, but this is all irrelevant here. Please don't use this page as a forum from which to defame users. LT wiki has no checkuser, so stewards here will serve. The sole question is checkuser information, and defamation of users just complicates this. Those allegations, true or false, are matters for lt.wiki to address. All I'm saying here is that the identification of these socks is clearly weak, so LT wiki discussion should not be complicated by claims, as you have made, that sock identification beyond the acknowledged socks is clear. It isn't. --Abd 20:09, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry for this. I suppose there is no other way to tell for sure whether or not the confirmed LIKELY acounts are User:Brox's. If there is no other way, I suppose the further escalation of discussions is useless because we cant determine new facts with regard to User:Brox.Tomreves 20:17, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- But you can determine if Brox is being disruptive on lt.wikipedia. Take it one step at a time. Is he causing damage? Sock puppets don't necessarily cause damage, it's important to back up and look at what's important: content and community. If he's got a sock or socks backing him up, that's a form of damage, but if they are really acting independently, doing different things, it's not worth worrying about. If it looks like he is abusively socking, like revert warring with socks or multiple !voting, then is the time to again request checkuser. Even sophisticated puppet masters slip up. But don't harass him. Cooperate with him. It's hard to cooperate with someone who is calling you a liar! --Abd 21:00, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry for this. I suppose there is no other way to tell for sure whether or not the confirmed LIKELY acounts are User:Brox's. If there is no other way, I suppose the further escalation of discussions is useless because we cant determine new facts with regard to User:Brox.Tomreves 20:17, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- I could write a great deal about Brox now, but this is all irrelevant here. Please don't use this page as a forum from which to defame users. LT wiki has no checkuser, so stewards here will serve. The sole question is checkuser information, and defamation of users just complicates this. Those allegations, true or false, are matters for lt.wiki to address. All I'm saying here is that the identification of these socks is clearly weak, so LT wiki discussion should not be complicated by claims, as you have made, that sock identification beyond the acknowledged socks is clear. It isn't. --Abd 20:09, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- Sadly, event faced with problems User:Brox continues his disruptive actions in his home lt.wikipedia creating havoc with his illogical categorization of articles. I can understand User:MoiraMoira, the stubborn position and refusal to cooperate from Brox's side, can drive even most patient users crazy. @Trijnstel, thanks for the reply. Tomreves 19:07, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- Brox is clearly Dendrolo, that's not controversial. Did the behavior of Dendrolo and Brox differ? They did not edit at the same time, so IP may have varied, but I'd guess they had the same user agent information, and Brox claims fixed IP, I think. Trinjstel seems to be assuming that Brox is all the accounts using those IP ranges. It's looking like there is no other evidence. --Abd 20:09, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- I personally blocked all those accounts that have been confirmed. The problem with Brox is that he has already admitted to using multiple accounts in past, for example Dendrolo is really Brox's account as he himself tagged the user page that it's his past account even those he used it recently. He recently even created a category for his sockpuppet accounts. Also he had problems on nl.wikipedia. So it cannot be a coincidence, but it is strange for me that Brox is denying all those accusations. So I requested further information on this matter, and I suppose that geolocational confirmation has given Brox the reason to deny everything. Trijnstel, please provide information that you have. Thanks in advance. Tomreves 06:06, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
Checkuser considerations and emerging disruption. --Abd 17:43, 8 August 2011 (UTC) |
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research into acknowledged Brox sox --Abd 17:22, 8 August 2011 (UTC) |
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- Acknowledged accounts: lt:q:user:Redagavimas (sysop WQ LT), lt:s:user:Redagavimas (sysop WS LT), lt:user:Brox (sysop WP LT), de.wiki user Dendrolo (Sichter WP DE), ru:w:user:Brox (autoeditor WP RU). "In WP DE I was (and I want to be)" de:Benutzer:Brox" and the user intends to seek account unification as shown in the linked acknowledgment. I have seen no sign of cross-wiki abuse. Some accounts are blocked on some wikis apparently as a result of this checkuser report, which seems an overreaction to me.
- Brox (CA) is only blocked on NL.wiki
- Redagavimas (CA) was blocked on NL wiki and, August 7, 2011, on bat-smg.wikipedia, though the account had not edited since 2007. This was likely based on no misbehavior but only this report.
- Dendrolo (CA) one edit on Commons in 2010, blocked 11:25, 25 July 2011, accusation of sock puppetry, no evidence cited. 4 isolated edits to Lt.wikipedia in 2011, no apparent abuse, account acknowledged as Brox 7 March 2011, blocked there August 6, 2011, by Snooker (Tomreves, filer of this CU request).
- LT.wikipedia has 19 administrators and 3 bureaucrats and should be well able to handle alleged problems there.
- Action needed here: clarify identification of Brox with the sock farm, appears to be weak. Common provider in Lithuania would not be unusual for the Lithuanian wikipedia. --Abd 22:49, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
RFC
Requests for comment/recheck User Brox and Tik-Kon in WP LT. Please recheck User:Brox/Brox and Tik-Kon in WP LT. --Brox 08:05, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
Review
Doing...I shall make a complete review and post my findings here. fr33kman 17:41, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
- Comment I have redone the Brox@ltwiki CU request and also had another steward recheck and we found the following;
- Unrelated Users w:lt:User:Sands, w:lt:User:Tik-Kon, and w:lt:User:Passutis are unrelated to w:lt:User:Brox. I have no comment on the results of any investigation that took place on nlwiki, but using ltwiki's data there is no connection to Brox. I'd like to chat in private with a CU from nlwiki so we can compare findings. I've also nothing to say about anything else related to Brox either. fr33kman 21:14, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
- Done I've dealt with nlwiki, you're free to go about your business, Happy Editing! :-) fr33kman 06:33, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
- Further specification: There has been no investigation on nl: into Sands, Tik-Kon and Passutis; they had been blocked there based on PeterSymonds's CU above, then unblocked based on the discussion here. There have been some Dutch CUs regarding Brox and Dendrolo and other suspected sockpuppets. - Andre Engels 08:34, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
- Dendrolo is not a "suspected sock puppet" of Brox, this is an "acknowledged sock puppet." --Abd 22:22, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
- Further specification: There has been no investigation on nl: into Sands, Tik-Kon and Passutis; they had been blocked there based on PeterSymonds's CU above, then unblocked based on the discussion here. There have been some Dutch CUs regarding Brox and Dendrolo and other suspected sockpuppets. - Andre Engels 08:34, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
- Done I've dealt with nlwiki, you're free to go about your business, Happy Editing! :-) fr33kman 06:33, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
- Unrelated Users w:lt:User:Sands, w:lt:User:Tik-Kon, and w:lt:User:Passutis are unrelated to w:lt:User:Brox. I have no comment on the results of any investigation that took place on nlwiki, but using ltwiki's data there is no connection to Brox. I'd like to chat in private with a CU from nlwiki so we can compare findings. I've also nothing to say about anything else related to Brox either. fr33kman 21:14, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
What happened on nl.wiki --Abd 22:22, 12 August 2011 (UTC) |
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Henrda07@es.wikinews
- List of users
- Henrda07 (contr · deleted · block · log · block log · CA · guc · checkuser · lwcheckuser)
- Jgrullon88 (contr · deleted · block · log · block log · CA · guc · checkuser · lwcheckuser)
- CU log
- Discussion: n:es:Wikinoticias:Títeres y n:es:Wikinoticias:Copyright
Retiro a los autobloqueos de la lista de usuarios implicados pues no son usuarios ni pueden ser verificados per se. Estudiando la viabilidad de la solicitud (Note: reviewing this request) -- Dferg ☎ talk 21:32, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
- ¿Hay alguna razón para sospechar que Jgrullon88 es títere, salvo que supuestamente sean los dos usuarios de la misma procedencia? Saludos, -- Dferg ☎ talk 21:37, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
- Los autobloqueos que aparecen en la lista automática de bloqueos pueden ser: o usuarios nuevos que comparten la dirección IP del usuario implicado tratando de editar e identificados por el sistema y bloqueados; o bien el mismo usuario iniciando sesión desde diferentes direcciones IP que el sistema asímismo bloquea. Ver Wikipedia:Bloqueo automático para más detalles. Como digo pueden ser usuarios o no pero la política no nos permite utilizar la herramienta para "salir de pesca" y ver lo que hay.
- La segunda razón expuesta consiste en listar a un usuario aparentemente de la misma nacionalidad que el usuario bloqueado. Ser de un mismo país no está prohibido, no constituye un abuso ni por supuesto es razón para realizar una comprobación por lo expuesto anteriormente: no podemos "salir de pesca". No se han descrito comportamientos ni abusivos ni similares del segundo usuario listado y verificarla por ser supuestamente del mismo país, como digo, sería inapropiado y un mal uso de la herramienta.
Así pues, por tanto, esta petición no puede ser procesada. Si en el futuro apareciese alguna cuenta comportándose de modo similar al usuario bloqueado y cometiendo actividades que contravengan las políticas del proyecto sírvanse pedir verificación de nuevo.
Petición rechazada. --Dferg 21:55, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Luoqwer@zh.wikipedia
- List of users
- Luoqwer (contr · deleted · block · log · block log · CA · guc · checkuser · lwcheckuser)
- Cheng520 (contr · deleted · block · log · block log · CA · guc · checkuser · lwcheckuser)
- 59.172.35.235 (contr · deleted · block · log · block log · CA · guc · checkuser · lwcheckuser)
- 59.172.32.192 (contr · deleted · block · log · block log · CA · guc · checkuser · lwcheckuser)
- CU log
- Discussion: w:zh:WP:VIP
- But CU cannot give you the relationship between account and IP due to wmf's private policy. --Waihorace 13:38, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
- It's funny that u guy only tell me this without telling others.--Zhxy 519 01:14, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
- What is the reason to think that this is truly sock/meat puppetry and not two people who share the same opinion? -- Avi 15:06, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
- Simply from the trend that they edit most about entertainments. & mostly from their attitude and style of speeches towards others. --Zhxy 519 01:07, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
- CheckUser is not for fishing fr33kman 01:31, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry to hear that. --Zhxy 519 04:35, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry, those are the rules. Make sure you reread the policy over again. Take care :-) fr33kman 05:20, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry to hear that. --Zhxy 519 04:35, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
Maddox@pt.wikipedia
- List of users
- Maddox (contr · deleted · block · log · block log · CA · guc · checkuser · lwcheckuser)
- 201.75.67.198 (contr · deleted · block · log · block log · CA · guc · checkuser · lwcheckuser)
Reason(s): The Maddox was blocked due to abuse of merger, ESR and edit wars in the article w:pt:Juliana Salimeni. I think you're going around the block because of the edit summary and because of the location of IP (Manaus), the same user blocked. Another thing that intrigued me was this change of IP in an article where Maddox was involved and even made the edit summary similar to what Maddox does. I hope the verification of Checkusers. By: Google tradutor. Pedroca cerebral 19:07, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
There are more reasons, this IP, is like Maddox's contributions, with a typical undo and the city of this IP, is from Manaus Where the Maddox Live. Amazonas is a stade, Manaus, is a city of Amazonas. Maddox is blocked with 2 weeks for merger not allowed, and he continues even blocked. --Vitor Mazuco Msg 23:41, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
- According to official wp.pt policies, after three days with not enough support in "Discussão de bloqueio" (wp.pt equivalent to "Appealing a block" in wp.en), a block should be removed. As seen in here, the beheavour by admin GoEThe did not received, until 22h59min of August 3, the necessary support. So I shouldn't even been blocked., but no administrador was brave enought to remove it By the way, removing merge tags like you did is enough to request your block, Mazuco. Maddox 23:54, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
- Not done What exactly does the "discussion show? We don't make links from IP addresses to usernames unless there is a listed one of six exceptions
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