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    The document discusses concerns with ECE R110 Annex 3 and differences between it and ISO 11439 for testing high pressure natural gas cylinders used in vehicles. It notes that manufacturers must conduct multiple tests to meet both standards. It provides examples of technical differences in tests between the two standards. It also gives examples of technical concerns with aspects allowed in ECE R110 Annex 3 but not ISO 11439 related to safety. The presenter proposes that for safety, ECE R110 Annex 3 should simply reference ISO 11439 for requirements for CNG cylinders rather than copying its requirements.

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    The document discusses concerns with ECE R110 Annex 3 and differences between it and ISO 11439 for testing high pressure natural gas cylinders used in vehicles. It notes that manufacturers must conduct multiple tests to meet both standards. It provides examples of technical differences in tests between the two standards. It also gives examples of technical concerns with aspects allowed in ECE R110 Annex 3 but not ISO 11439 related to safety. The presenter proposes that for safety, ECE R110 Annex 3 should simply reference ISO 11439 for requirements for CNG cylinders rather than copying its requirements.

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    The document discusses concerns with ECE R110 Annex 3 and differences between it and ISO 11439 for testing high pressure natural gas cylinders used in vehicles. It notes that manufacturers must conduct multiple tests to meet both standards. It provides examples of technical differences in tests between the two standards. It also gives examples of technical concerns with aspects allowed in ECE R110 Annex 3 but not ISO 11439 related to safety. The presenter proposes that for safety, ECE R110 Annex 3 should simply reference ISO 11439 for requirements for CNG cylinders rather than copying its requirements.

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    Informal document GRSG‐106‐29

    (106th GRSG, 5‐9 May 2014,


    agenda item 8)

    ECE R110 Annex 3 & ISO 11439

    “High pressure cylinders for the on-


    board storage of natural gas as a
    fuel for automotive vehicles”

    Craig Webster, P. Eng.


    Convener – ISO 11439 Standard
    May 6, 2014
    Background 

    Craig Webster:
    • Founder of worlds’ largest high pressure test facility at Powertech Labs (Vancouver) for 
    CNG and hydrogen fuel cylinders (began in 1983)
    • Convener (since 1996) of ISO TC 58/SC 3/WG 17 for the ISO 11439 standard for CNG 
    fuel cylinders
    • Test many cylinder designs to ECE R110 Annex 3, as well as ISO 11439 and other 
    standards 

    ISO 11439:
    • ISO/DIS 11439 created in 1998 for industry review
    • ISO/DIS 11439 used by ECE R110 as basis of Annex 3
    • ISO/DIS 11439 changed by WG 17 and published as ISO 11439: 2000

    There were significant technical differences between ISO/DIS 11439 and the 
    published ISO 11439 standard = differences between ECE R110 and ISO 11439 
    today.

    2
    ECE R110 Annex 3 – Industry concerns 

    For a global CNG vehicle market, manufacturers are concerned they must 
    conduct multiple tests to meet both ECE R110 and ISO 11439 requirements

    Manufacturers are also concerned that Annex 3 of the ECE R110 regulation 
    and ISO 11439 are being changed independently of each other

    • ISO 11439: 2103 contains large revisions to Change of Design tables 

    The ISO/DIS 11439 version used in Annex 3 contained technical errors

    • Some errors corrected by ECE R110 publishing supplements

    ECE R110 Annex 3 was also changed to allow use of welded stainless steel as 
    cylinder liner materials

    ECE R110  Annex 3 requires 26 changes/deletions to the referenced standards 
    to update to latest  versions or to adopt correct requirements

    3
    ECE R110 vs ISO 11439 –
    Examples of test differences
    In testing cylinder designs for CNG service, I must perform additional 
    tests for manufacturers to accommodate ECE R110 requirements, 
    compared to those of ISO 11439 

    Test ECE R110 Annex 3 ISO 11439:2013


    Bonfire 2 cylinders 1 cylinder
    Environmental Acid Test Multiple Environment Tests
    Natural Gas Cycling 300 pressure cycles 1 000 pressure cycles
    PRD testing A.24 test Requires ISO 15500‐3 
    compliance
    Tensile Testing of  Wrong standard  ISO 527‐2
    Plastics referenced (ISO 3628 for 
    photography)
    Boss Torque test Apply 500 Nm Apply 150% of manufacturers’ 
    recommended torque

    4
    ECE R110 Annex 3 –
    Examples of technical concerns
    Allows use of stainless steel cylinder liners
    • not allowed in ISO 11439 ‐ no‐one has ever made a stainless steel cylinder liner for 
    CNG service – would it be safe?  
    • Are the heat affected zones of stainless welds resistant against sulphide stress 
    cracking in CNG environments?  (there is no weld test in ECE R110 for SSC)

    Requires only 300 cycles in the natural gas pressure cycling test
    • ISO 11439 requires 1 000 natural gas pressure cycles (300 found inadequate)

    Allows use of pressure‐activated PRDs 
    • ISO 11439 considers pressure‐activated PRDs unsafe as allows leak path, and prone 
    to premature failure (overpressure protection provided by fueling station PRV)

    Uses an inferior environmental test for automotive service conditions
    • Test in A.14 of Annex 3 only has 1 chemical environment and simple test conditions, 
    compared to ISO 11439 with 5 environments and a complex test protocol

    Coating tests cannot be performed
    • Tests in A.9 of Annex 3 cannot be performed because the wrong standards are 
    referenced for both the adhesion and the sunlight exposure tests
    5
    ECE R110

    ECE R110 (2013) contains 149 pages

    • 55 pages are in Annex 3 for CNG cylinder design
    • This means over 1/3 of the ECE R110 regulation deals with the 
    requirements for CNG cylinders!

    ECE R110 already references the use of ISO standards 
    throughout the regulation:

    • 19  ISO standards referenced in Annex 3
    • 10  ISO standards are referenced for hose testing in Annex 4B
    • Various ISO standards referenced in Annex 4F and in Annex 5 for test 
    methods 

    6
    Proposal for ECE R110 Annex 3

    Currently the entire ISO 11439 requirements are copied into 
    Annex 3 of ECE R110, and changes have been allowed that are 
    not examined by a Working Group of experts
    Considering that:
    • ECE R110 already references ISO standards in its text 
    • Annex 3 (requirements for CNG cylinders) occupies over 1/3 of the ECE 
    R110 regulation
    • High pressure cylinders is a subject matter that requires expert  
    understanding and review of issues 

    For public safety, it is proposed that ECE R110 Annex 3 simply 
    reference the use of the ISO 11439 standard for CNG cylinders.

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