If These Philosophers Could Talk
If These Philosophers Could Talk
If These Philosophers Could Talk
It is a film
with three storylines separated by time, but set in the same house and all focusing on the
struggles lesbian women face and how they deal with the prejudice they receive from outside
The first chapter is set in 1961 focusing on Edith and Abby, an old lesbian couple who
lived during a time when same-sex relationships were not openly discussed or as socially
accepted as today. After Abby passes away in a hospital, Edith was not allowed to collect the
body given that she was neither next of kin nor Edith’s husband. The right to conduct a burial for
Abby and ownership of her possessions and property, which included their house, were now
given to Abby’s closest of kin, Ted. This leads to an excruciating interaction between Edith and
Ted’s family as they sort out Abby’s possessions. It is clear that Ted and his family were neither
close to Abby nor do they have an emotional attachment to any of her possessions. Abby, on the
other hand, has paid for half the mortgage and is visibly attached to every reminder of her
deceased partner. A question one could ask is if whether Ted and his family were right in the
In Kant’s Categorical Imperative, he stated that a person must “act only according to that
maxim by which you can at the same time will that it should become a universal law”. Kant
urges that a person’s actions are right when they are rational even when applied to a larger scale.
Despite not being able to afford keeping the house, Ted does his best to be considerate of Abby’s
situation and even considers renting the house to her if she chooses to stay in it. Giving
consideration involves thinking about how one’s actions can impact others. Practiced
universally, being considerate makes sense as it reduces snap judgments, conflicts, and
Abby’s birds even when Edith is visibly upset by the thought of someone taking them away from
her and even when Ted himself tells her keeping the birds is unnecessary. This and other
unfeeling actions like the immediate claiming of the deceased’ bed make her a less sympathetic
Kant also formulated in his Categorical Imperative that one must “act as to treat
humanity, whether in your own person or in another, always as an end and never as only a
means”. For Kant, people are not just means to an end, but an actual end-in-itself. Human being
are autonomous and capable of rationality. Thus, people should be treated with dignity and
respect. Though Edith was not necessarily treated as means by Ted’s family to sell the house, she
was nonetheless disrespected in their pursuit to be rid of the financial burden of keeping the
house. Whatever the inheritance laws may say, the ease with which Ted’s family stake claim to
Abby and Edith’s house and possessions delegitimizes the life Abby and Edith had built
together. However, the family’s sense of entitlement is understandable given that the law grants
them this. At the same time, it is also unfair in their part to be forced into shouldering the cost of
keeping the house, and this leads to the central point of the chapter. The only aspect of Edith and
Abby’s relationship that was different to any other marriage at that time was the fact that they
were a same-sex couple. They built a life together, but the laws of the time did not recognize
their union as legitimate, and so the inheritance that would normally have been given to the
spouse was given instead to a relative that was so removed from the deceased’s life. If the laws
were different, Edith could have lived peacefully in the house she has made her home and Ted’s
unwitting family would not have had to carry the burden of disrupting Edith’s life.
In the second chapter, the setting is in 1972 and the same house is now co-inhabited by
lesbian feminist college students. Whereas the previous chapter showed the prejudices LGBTQ
face from the external world, the second part shows the same marginalization, but occurring
within a group and done to each other by fellow members of the group. Similar to the patriarchy,
the system that places women at the bottom of the social hierarchy, the feminists in the movie
also have their own form of social hierarchy. Even though feminism demands for the right for all
women to be treated equally to her male counterpart, the movie shows that the right for women
After significant pressure from the school administration and threats that the college
would withdraw their support for the feminists because of their lesbian ties, the college feminists
decided to appease to the demands of their school. They forcibly remove Linda, the main
character of the second chapter, and her lesbian friends from the group even though they were
instrumental to the group’s founding. In an effort to explain their decision, one of the members
of the feminist group explains that because they are still fighting for the general issue of equal
rights between men and women in the campus, to include lesbian issues in the agenda would risk
all that they have fought for. Conflict ensues after the lesbians express the injustice of the
situation given that not only was one of them a founding member, but they also fought for free
contraception in their campus, a cause which does not directly affect their demographic, but
largely benefited the straight members of the group. As one of the lesbians put it, “Do you think I
The decision to remove Linda and her friends from the group is undoubtedly harsh, but
how their fellow feminists came to such a decision is not illogical. One could say that cutting off
Linda and her friends from the group was utilitarian. Utilitarianism is an ethical theory that
proposes that actions should be done to maximize the good for the maximum amount of people.
When pushed to an extreme by the school administration, the feminists are placed in a
difficult position. They could decide to support and stand strong with their lesbian sisters, but
lose the school’s support and their right to gather within the school premises, and thus undo their
progress. Alternatively, they could decide to abandon their fellow feminists to save their group
from their school’s ire. However, the act itself would essentially undermine the very cause they
fight for, which is equality for all. In the end, the feminists choose the latter, reasoning that what
utilitarianism in which an act done to maximize the good only benefits a sector of a population or
an interest group. Often times, this act may be detrimental to another group. In this case, their
decision to abandon their lesbian sisters may have possibly saved their group from the current
pressures issued by the administration, but it would undoubtedly discriminate the excluded
smaller sector, the lesbian women. This act demonstrated that in the hierarchy of women, queer
women are placed below straight women, and thus their issues and concerns are considered less
Excluding the lesbians amplifies the situational irony of having a group fighting against
marginalization simultaneously marginalize members of their own group. This is not just present
within the feminists group, but is also prevalent within the lesbian community. When Linda and
her friends visit a butch lesbian bar, all eyes stared at them as if in bewilderment as to why they
were there. Linda and her friends even felt the need to loudly exclaim, “We’re lesbians too” in
order to justify their presence. Linda’s own friends also harshly judge Amy and other butch
women whose self-expression leans towards typical masculine presentation. They claimed to not
understand feminists who associate with women like Amy, especially when feminism has fought
so hard to be free of the stereotypes to which Amy and other butch lesbians conform. Funnily
enough, this conversation occurs in front of both Amy and the feminist classmate who evicted
them from their group to relay to the audience about the hypocrisy of their actions.
The acts done by the school, straight feminists, Linda’s lesbian friends, the lesbians in the
bar, and even Linda herself all hurt a certain sector of the community. Their actions compound
on the pain and isolation of being marginalized. The groups may have their own reasoning for
doing such acts, but it does not excuse their acts from being wrong. One important figure in
utilitarianism, John Stuart Mill, states in his Greatest Happiness Principle that “actions are right
in proportion as they tend to promote happiness… by happiness is intended pleasure and the
absence of pain”. Removing their fellow feminists from the group, hurts those they kicked out.
Linda’s friends’ imposing their prejudices upon Linda marginalizes Amy and Linda. It also
initially forces Linda to be ashamed of her attraction for Amy and holds her back from pursuing
For Mill, “each person’s happiness counts the same for everyone else’s”. Mill wanted to
promote an equality that is attained when individuals are given justice. For him, there has to be
equality among individuals. This equality would promote justice social welfare that would affect
the general happiness and therefore, the greatest happiness could be attained. When Amy leaves
after being dehumanized by Linda’s friends, Linda reveals to herself and her friends why she
likes Amy in the first place. Linda’s attraction comes from Amy’s awareness of who she is and
her fearlessness in expressing her true self. Linda is a feminist that supports equal treatment for
all women that should also translate to her believing that Amy should be free to be who she is
and should not be discriminated against for her choice in clothing and way of life. Similarly,
Linda should not be discriminated for her attraction for Amy. When Linda later decides to be
with Amy, she opposes her friends’ prejudices. In doing so, she chooses to follow her happiness
and her feminist ideals that promotes equality for all women. If only Linda’s friends decided to
understand Amy rather than be prejudiced against her and enforce their beliefs upon her, then
maybe they would have reached a point of understanding that could unite lesbian women
together. If only the straight feminists decided to stand up for their lesbian sisters, then they
would have become a stronger unit. Instead, they chose to be a group that fractionates under
external pressure. A more united front could have made the group stronger in campaigning
The third chapter, set in the year 2000, follows Kal and Fran. Nearing the end, Fran asks
her partner whether it is selfish of them to want to bring a child into the world that would bully
their child for having lesbian parents. This question can be analyzed using William James’
pragmatic theory. If a proposition were to be true then James asks “what concrete difference in
its being true make in anyone’s actual life?” To validate a proposition, one has to look for a
concrete, experiential practical difference brought about by the proposition being true. With this
James believes that a proposition is true if it is useful to believe. If one had to choose decide
which is true between two propositions that appear to be in opposition to each other, then one has
to look if there is a practical difference between the two. If none can be found, then any dispute
between them is moot. Kal does this and answers her partner’s question pragmatically. She states
that whether or not it is selfish for them to raise a child, all children get teased anyway. Whether
society will change or not (thought it always has) the love they have for each other and for that
child will always be there. For James and for Kal, since there are no practical differences
Compared to the previous chapters, the third chapter does not show the struggles of
unique to same-sex relationships. Fran and Kal seem just like any other couple dealing with
fertility problems. The normalcy of their situation is more apparent because of the lack of
discrimination from other characters. They are treated normally because they are perceived as
normal, a mindset totally different from that of a few years prior as demonstrated by the
teenagers in the first chapter that laughed at Edith and Abby as they went home from the theater.
In the ending of the third chapter, a mom asks whether Fran and Kal have children in the school.
If we followed the pattern of the previous chapters, we would expect this scene to be the moment
when Fran and Kal would be discriminated against. Instead, the mom just converses with them
normally and even suggests to them that they should try having kids. According to James, “the
truth of an idea is not a stagnant property inherent in it. Truth happens to an idea”. Our
experiences validate our ideas. In the 60s, just mentioning lesbian couples was taboo, but after
years of activism and exposure, the general society began to view the opposite as more and more
true.
Movies like this are part of what changes the mindset of a society. It humanizes those we
have outcaste, frames their struggles in a way that is universal, presents a point of view that
facilitates empathy even when a viewer’s circumstance is different from the characters in the
movie, and points out hypocrisy that we ourselves could be blind to. With its ending, it also gives
hope that things could change for the better. Hopefully in the future, the struggles presented in