Easa CRD - Master - SC - E-19 - 2021-04-07
Easa CRD - Master - SC - E-19 - 2021-04-07
Easa CRD - Master - SC - E-19 - 2021-04-07
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AMC paragraph
7 Rolls-Royce 25 Repeated words "Fuel Contamination" Remove repeated words Yes No Accepted Corrected.
13
(include EHPS.350(e)).
If the "Essentially Single Fault Tolerant" criteria (of CS-E 50(c)(2))
are included for piston or turbine engines, and the EHPS forms part
of the functional mainline thrust shaft between one or more energy
Add section EHPS.350(e)(4):
sources and one or more propulsion devices, then the criteria
"If the EHPS controls an amount of thrust on a passenger-
should apply also to the EHPS control system.
carrying airframe equivalent to either: CS-E 50(c)(2) states "essentially single fault tolerant". The term
This has a substantial effect on the architecture of the EHPS control
(i) At least 50% of total airframe thrust in a centralised essentially in itself removes the complusory aspect of the single
system. Could the airframe afford to lose a significant proportion
position, such that "insufficient total thrust" should be fault tolerant.
of thrust from a single failure of its EHPS control system, many of
considered; or The SC E-19 is an objective based SC. As such, it is not the intent to
which (failures) could cause loss of one engine's worth of thrust? If
(ii) At least 50% of the equivalent engine thrust in a impose a design solution.
not, the criteria should be compulsory in the same way as CS-E
decentralised position, such that "asymmetric thrust" should However, the mentioned examples are fully relevant and should
50(c)(2) is for one engine, leading to redundancy in the system such
be considered; be looked at during the certification process.
AMC paragraph that, in full-up dispatch, No Single Failure of the EHPS control Partially
8 Rolls-Royce 25 then the "Essentially Single Fault Tolerant" criteria of CS-E Yes Yes The top/down approach of the safety assessment as proposed in
19 system shall cause Loss of Thrust Control equivalent to 10% of the accepted
50(c)(2) shall be met and demonstrated for the EHPS control EHPS.80 , starting from an A/C FHA should lead to a safety
total (centralised propulsion device) or 10% on one side
system. requirement at EHPS level that is adapted to the intended A/C
(decentralised propulsion devices, depending on turning moment).
If the amount of thrust controlled by the EHPS is less than 50% application.
If one EHPS controlled more than the equivalent of one engine's
of total airframe thrust in a centralised position and less than Safety and reliability requirements should be distinguished.
worth of thrust, this would put more eggs in one EHPS basket than
50% of the equivalent engine thrust in a decentralised position, Reliability requirements may not be related to the certification of
there were with the equivalent discrete engines, raising the EHPS
such that the risks of both "insufficient total thrust" and an aircraft but more related to operational requirements (For
failure risk level beyond that of the equivalent engine control
"asymmetric thrust" can both be shown to be insignificant example an A/C availability of 99.5%).
system. All the more reason to mandate equivalence in Essential
from all single EHPS control system failures, then the criteria
Single Fault Tolerance. This is more important for passenger-
remain as an AMC to EHPS.80."
carrying aircraft because Loss of Thrust Control could have an
immediate effect on passengers, assuming that any airframe may
be able to regain control prior to landing, following a significant
LOTC from the EHPS control system failure.
Associated "The Means of Compliance will be based on existing material: CS-E,
Interpretative CS-22 Subpart H…" is ambiguous. If a gas turbine based generator is No suggestion, as the intention/objective is not well The intention of this paragraph is to explain that the existing
9 Rolls-Royce 25 Yes No Noted
Material / Means used, does it mean that the gas turbine engine (that drives the understood. material may be used to show compliance to the SC E-19.
of Compliance generator) is expected to comply with CS-E?
Associated "EHPS.80 (c): Associated AMC should at least cover CS-E 850
Interpretative (Compressor, Fan and Turbine Shafts), AMC CS-E 850 and the No suggestion, as the intention/objective is not well
10 Rolls-Royce 25 Yes No Noted Yes, if a shaft is part of the propulsion system.
Material / Means associated CM". Would this also apply to all electric platforms, with understood.
of Compliance no gas turbine engine as a source of power?
Lange Aviation
13 Associated... 25 Grammar “Contaminated fuel” double in note 13. Yes Accepted Corrected.
GmbH
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Paragraph 5.
“…interface aspects between rotors and/or propellers…”
There seems to be a need to differentiate between “rotors and
17 FAA DJ EHPS.10 3 Yes Noted This paragraph has been deleted as judged not necessary.
props” that are external to the EHPS and “rotors” that are an
integral part of the EHPS. This statement seems to be referring to
an external rotor as on a helicopter.
EHPS.10 is stating, that SC-EHPS is applicable for EHPS and the This paragraph has been deleted as judged not necessary.
interface to rotors and/or propellers. However, in EHPS.240 it is Rotors identified in EHPS.240 are to be understood as any rotating
directly addressing rotor design. On the other hand, applicability to element in an EHPS (rotor in an electric machine, of a compressor,
18 Volocopter EHPS.10 4 propellers is explicitly excluded and reference to CS-P is given. Yes Accepted a turbine, a fan...) that may release high energy debris in case of
Volocopter wants to better understand the scope of SC-EHPS and burst.
the potential boundary to rotors and/or propellers as well as Propeller are indeed excluded from the EHPS as being covered by
differentiation to be considered between rotors and propellers. CS-P.
The SC is applicable to all aircraft, regardless of the type
certification basis. Many sections refer to the safety objectives of The following intended aircraft applications have been removed
Lange Aviation Safety objectives (and other references to CS) should be
19 EHPS.10 3 this basis or the intended aircraft application. But these objectives Yes Accepted from the scope: CS-22, CS-LSA, CS-23 level 1 day VFR and Light
GmbH defined explicitely, if not or insufficiently defined in the CS.
are not defined for all CS, e.g. CS-22. Therefore those sections are UAS.
void from the beginning.
The SC states that CS-25 is excluded only due to lack of emission
requirements. It is reasonable to apply the same SC to e.g. CS-22
and CS-23, due to the similar scope and extent of the basic CS. But
in comparison CS-25 goes into much more detail due to higher risk The scope of the SC should be limited to certain CS, which are The following intended aircraft applications have been removed
Lange Aviation
20 EHPS.10 3 and complexity involved typically. It is therefore questionable if a similar in scope and level of detail. A more thorough and Yes Accepted from the scope: CS-22, CS-LSA, CS-23 level 1 day VFR and Light
GmbH
common SC should be established. This might either be too cursory detailed SC could be derived for CS-25. UAS.
to provide effective guidance, too detailed for other applications, or
feature many exemptions and distinctions according to the CS
involved.
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“EHPS.10 Scope
We ask EASA to either replace “Electrical Propulsion Unit” with
…
“Electric / Hybrid
This Special Condition addresses the interface aspects between
Propulsion System” here or provide clear definitions in order to
rotors and/or propellers and the conditions for installation of the
better understand
Electrical Propulsion Unit into a manned or unmanned aircraft.”
the scope and prevent misinterpretation. For example: where
The Boeing We ask EASA to consider whether an error was made using the
25 EHPS.10 3 is 'Electrical no yes Accepted This paragraph has been deleted as judged not necessary.
Company term “Electrical Propulsion Unit” here and to clearly define terms
Propulsion Unit' defined in this document? Is ‘Electrical
used in this document to avoid confusion and misinterpretation.
Propulsion Unit’ clearly
Additionally, we suggest using the term “electric” in lieu of
understood or is there a standard definition in a different
“electrical” in this application for consistency with other uses.
document?
Section EHPS.15 Terminology, defines Electric / Hybrid Propulsion
We recommend adding this definition to section EHPS.15.
System (EHPS), however 'Electrical Propulsion Unit' is not defined.
EHPS.10 SCOPE:
The Boeing
26 EHPS.10 3 EHPS.10 Applicability: no yes Accepted Corrected.
Company
This should consistent with other SC which uses applicability.
EHPS.10 Scope
…
This Special Condition is applicable to any Electric / Hybrid
Propulsion System, so called hereafter EHPS, which is used to
provide or produce lift/thrust/power for flight in any manned and
unmanned aircraft (except CS-25 aircrafts), both during normal and
Flight control computers are outside the scope of this SC.
emergency operations.
This Special Condition is applicable to any Electric / Hybrid The terminology "Propulsion System" is a reference to the Basic
Propulsion System, so called hereafter EHPS, which is used to Regulation (EU) 2018/1139 definition.
Electric or hybrid-electric propulsion aircraft to varying degrees will
The Boeing provide or produce lift/thrust/power, or potentially flight Partially It is intended that the new functions in which an EHPS is involved
27 EHPS.10 3 use electric machinery and gas powerplants driving rotors and/or no yes
Company control, for flight in any manned and unmanned aircraft accepted will be addressed via the top/down safety assessment approach.
propellers to provide both flight control and propulsion. This will be
(except CS-25 aircrafts), both during normal and emergency For example, on a VTOL A/C, the EHPS control system is intended
most common in highly distributed propulsion architectures using
operations. to control the engine speeds according to a speed law that will be
electric machinery directly driving rotors and/or propellers. We
defined by the Flight control computer(s).
accept using the label “Propulsion” in EHPS, but it is important to
recognize and clearly define that this system does not necessarily
have the same functions as a traditional gas powerplant driven
aircraft where the gas powerplant substantially just provides
thrust/power/lift. The simplest example is an eVTOL aircraft where
in many cases the lift rotors are the primary flight control effector.
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Second paragraph states: “This Special Condition is applicable to Can an explanation be added as to what is meant by the
29 TCCA EHPS.10 3 any Electric / Hybrid Propulsion System without any power range applicability being limited to “System without any power range Noted Sentence has been deleted.
limitations.” limitations
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FARADAY Propellers are outside the scope of this Special Conditions. What
34 EHPS.10 Scope 3 Yes No Noted The same applicability as for piston and turbine engines applies.
aerospace about belt reducers or gearboxes ?
The scope of the special conditions does not explicitly mention that Please clarify if the SC E-19 scope is also for issuance of EHPS Both cases are identified in the SC E-19.
36 Rolls-Royce EHPS.10 Scope 3 the certification requirements provided are for the issuance of the type certificate (as mentioned in EHPS.30) or the EHPS need to Yes No Accepted Specific guidance will be provided in a Certification Memorandum
type certificate be certified under A/C TC. to part 21 regarding the ways to certify an EHPS.
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CS-P.
This Special Condition addresses the interface aspects between
rotors and/or propellers and the minimum conditions for
installation of the Electrical Propulsion Unit into a manned or
unmanned aircraft. It can be directly used as an element of the
concerned aircraft certification basis. However, additional
certification requirements beyond this Special Condition and
pertinent ot each intended aircraft application need to be
satisfied at the aircraft level in order to safely integrate an
EHPS into a manned or unmanned aircraft and these are
outside of the scope of this Special Condition.
Werner Scholz,
European I am no expert in English language, but I believe the plural of Replace “aircrafts” with “aircraft” throughout the document.
43 EHPS.10 Scope 3 observation Accepted Corrected
Sailplane aircraft is aircraft (not aircrafts), same probably true for propeller… (And do the same with Propeller(s)).
Manufacturers
The notion of lift has to be kept as in some particular intended
PAGE 3 (for example) : This Special Condition is applicable to
applications as VTOL, the EHPS could participate to the lft of the
All the Mention of lift is outside of the scope of a propulsion system. Lift is any Electric / Hybrid Propulsion System, so called hereafter Partially
44 SAFRAN EHPS.10, EHPS.15 No Yes aircraft. However, is has been added that the the control of the
document related to aircraft manoeuver. EHPS, which is used to provide or produce power for accepted
lift to ensure the aircraft sustentation, controllability and
lift/thrust/power for flight
maneuverability is an aircraft function.
The paragraph does not provide the types of fire but only adresses
the risk of fire in general, whatever the source of fire.
Lange Aviation Batteries are not discussed here in detail, although they feature The inherent dangers of and the protection against a battery Not The type of fire will be adressed in MOC.
48 EHPS.100 11 Yes
GmbH high energy content and are not intrinsically safe in most cases. fire should be mentioned explicitely. accepted EHPS.380 will also provide requirements relative to the intended
aircraft application. Indeed, fire protection will not be the same
for a CS 23 level 1 aircraft and a VTOL enhanced category.
General (b) In addition, the design and construction of the EHPS must
The point is here to minimize internal fire that could result in the
Aviation minimize the probability of the occurrence of an internal fire Major/concep Not
49 EHPS.100 11 EHPS 100- (b) Why is Catstrophic not included here? non-containment of high energy debris.
Manufacturers that could result in structural Failure or Hazardous or tual accepted
The CAT failures are dealt in EHPS.100 (a)
Association Catastrophic EHPS Failure.
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Fire protection section should specifically consider fire protection Consider adding specific requirement for EHPS mounting Partially The SC E-19 follows an objective based approach. The "how", as
54 TCCA EHPS.100 11
of EHPS mounting structure (fireproof, unless…?) structure fire protection capability. accepted developed in CS-E 130 will be adressed in MOC
Recommend adding:
The SC E-19 follows an objective based approach. The "how", as
"(c) EHPS high voltage electrical wiring interconnect systems
Another similar SC has an item (c) recommend adding text in the Partially developed in CS-E 130 will be adressed in MOC.
55 TCCA EHPS.100 11 should be protected against arc-faults. Any non-protected
suggested resolution. accepted On top of that it is also covered by the EHPS.370 and its related
electrical wiring interconnects should be analysed to show that
AMC.
arc faults do not cause a hazardous EHPS effect."
"…must minimize the probablily of occurrence…": what does Suggest revising text to "... must minimize the probability of
Partially Requirement is similar to existing requirement. Associated
56 Bell EHPS.100 (a) 11 "minimize" mean here? It would benefit from some more the occurrence to the extent needed to satisfy the SSA" to Yes No
accepted guidance will explain how to 'minimize'
clarification. clarify.
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“Failure to shut down” could relate to more serious (e.g. turning Corrected and replaced by "(vi) Complete inability to stop any
The point should be clarified to address the hazardous effect
Lange Aviation rotor) or less serious (e.g. control system) issues. In some cases a rotating parts
73 EHPS.15 5 caused, instead of the intended or accidental inability to shut Yes Accepted
GmbH shutdown of a subsystem might even not be possible or advisable, (vii) Complete inabilibty to isolate any component that could
down.
e.g. battery management and monitoring. cause a hazard to the aircraft "
Corrected and replaced by "(vii) Complete inability to stop any
For new applications, not to refer to EHPS, and prefer sub system rotating parts
74 SAFRAN EHPS.15 5 Complete inability to shut down the sub system of the EHPS Yes Yes Accepted
EHPS (viii) Complete inabilibty to isolate any component that could
cause a hazard to the A/C "
75 SAFRAN EHPS.15 4 Document refer to electric motor or electric engine Use only one wording : electric engine is preferred Yes Yes Accepted Corrected accordingly
(Emergency Rating) Yes, OEI rating as defined for a turbine engine can be considered
80 Flying Whales EHPS.15 4 Clarification Yes No Noted
Does this include OEI conditions? as an Emergency Rating
“EHPS.15 Terminology
…
EHPS Control System: A system or device that controls, limits, We ask EASA to explain and clarify why “battery or energy
The Boeing
81 EHPS.15 4 monitors or protects the operation of the EHPS or a sub-system of storage device management system” are excluded from this no yes Noted Exclusion has been removed
Company
the EHPS excluding any battery or energy storage device definition. Where are these elements covered?
management system.”
We ask EASA to clarify this definition. This definition seems to
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Definition added.
Zeroavia
88 EHPS.15 high energy debris needs to be defined Accepted However, this question is often raised by the Industry and it might
James Lawson
be of interest to create a working group on it.
In ‘Hazardous EHPS effect’ terminology, item viii uses the word Suggest to replace with:
‘electrocution…’. The definition of electrocution is “to be killed or (viii) Electric shock of crew, passengers, operators or Partially
90 TCCA EHPS.15 5 The paragraph has been reworded.
severely injured by electric shock”, but the terminology uses maintainers, sufficient to cause serious or fatal injury. accepted
‘sufficient to’. Which then, by definition, equates to ‘electrocution’
Since these terms are reserved for aircraft, it is suggested
Catastrophic Aircraft Effect and Hazardous Aircraft Effect are
91 TCCA EHPS.15 5 direct reference be made to aircraft requirements or aircraft Accepted Corrected accordingly.
defined in this EHPS.
advisory material.
Hazardous EHPS failure condition:
"leading to" is ambiguous. Either use "resulting in" or
EHPS failure conditions leading to one of the following effects:
92 TCCA EHPS.15 5 "contributing to", depending on intent. Consider Revising for Accepted Corrected accordingly.
(i) Hazardous Aircraft Effect
clarity.
(ii) Catastrophic Aircraft Effect
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Major Aircraft effect and Major Aircraft failure conditions are Failure effect have to be assessed at aircraft level.
EHPS.15 defined in the Terminology but not Major effect and failure Implement in EHPS.15 a definition for major effect and major Not However, EASA decided to keep the Hazardous EHPS effect in
96 Rolls-Royce 5 Yes No
Terminology conditions for the EHPS. This terminology is also used in EHPS.80 failure conditions for EHPS accepted order to allow the use of critical parts as it is made today for
<linked to comments 7 and 47> turbine engines.
Control System definition inconsistent because all component
control/protection system seems to be incuded exept for the
EHPS.15 battery management system (BMS). The rationale is not clear. With
97 Rolls-Royce 4 Clarify the rationale Yes No Accepted Exclusion of the BMS has been removed
Terminology regards to component control and protection at component level,
there is no difference between a protection system for the battery
and component protection for an e-motor
Failure Conditions and Effects are defined, acceptable rates (eg
Extremely Remote) are not, despite being used in the body of the Add appropriate Terminology refences, or a reference to The extremely remote rate as mentioned in EHPS.80 (d)(1)(i) as
EHPS.15
98 Rolls-Royce 4 document. Is this an intentional omission ? If so, would there not external definition (in Associated Interpretive Material / Means Yes No Accepted been explained as being the one defined in the associated Type-
Terminology
be a pointer to an external definition required ? of Compliance section ?). Certification basis of the intended aircraft application(s)
[See also comment 51 from JvdM]
Failure conditions leading to one of the following effects:
Definition of "Hazardous EHPS failure condition" should include
EHPS.15 (i) Hazardous Aircraft Effect
99 Rolls-Royce 5 failure conditions leading to Hazardous EHPS Effect Yes No Accepted Added
Terminology (ii) Catastrophic Aircraft Effect
<see also comment 7 which questions reference to Aircraft Effects>
(iii) Hazardous EHPS Effect
Hazardous EHPS effect: (vi) refers only to propeller. Does not Same logic as for today CS-E engines. Fans are addressed via FBO
EHPS.15 "…propeller/fan, regradless whether or not it is integrated in Partially
100 Rolls-Royce 5 include other types of propulsive devices that convert shaft power Yes No and the risk of release of high energy debris.
Terminology the EHPS," accepted
to thrust. Aircraft rotor has been added.
Why does the EHPS control system definition exclude the battery or A system or device that controls, limits, monitors or protects
EHPS.15 energy storage device management system. If these are part of the the operation of the EHPS or a sub-system of the EHPS
102 Rolls-Royce 4 No Yes Accepted Exclusion has been removed
Terminology EHPS scope then they are part of the EHPS control system <see also including any battery or energy storage device management
comment 49> system where these are within the scope of the EHPS.
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Emergency rating. This should allow the option for time based
There is no exclusion to time based emergency ratings. In fact, the
EHPS.15 emergency ratings such as those for turbine engines for multi-
103 Rolls-Royce 4 include the option of time based emergency ratings Yes No Accepted maximum permitted duration for any rating is requested as per
Terminology engined rotorcraft in CS-E. EHPS.40 should also specifically refer to
EHPS.40(d). This includes emergency ratings.
this under Emergency ratings.
EHPS.15 "Means an engine and/or generator rating intended to be used….." The term engine (even for electric motor) has to be kept for
Not
109 Rolls-Royce Terminology - 4 It is suggested that the term 'motor' should be added in addition to Add the term 'Motor' Yes No consistency purposes with the Basic regulaion and the CS-
accepted
"Normal rating" engine and/or generator Definitions
EHPS.15
Terminology It would be helpful to include examples of potential categories of
110 Rolls-Royce "Inadvertant 5 exceedances, such as: voltage, current, torque, speed, temperature Add examples as listed Yes No Accepted Examples added
transient EHPS etc.
exceedance"
EHPS are different from a single motor as they most of the time
This and each of these Aircraft Effects may be an over reach for an include several motors. As such, failures modes cannot be only
EHPS.15
engine manufacturer. Determining if a failure at the engine level is assessed anymore at motor level but at aircraft level (e.g. when
111 FAA GH Catastrophic 5 Clarify why these definitions are included herein. yes Noted
Catastrophic at the aircraft level is the installer’s responsibility and the propulsion system takes part in the flight control function).
Aircraft Effect
the installer is best skilled to do this. This is why safety objectives have to be derived from the intended
aircraft application. The aircraft manufacturer will provide these
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EHPS.15
It is not clear that this definition is needed or that it is a true
118 FAA JF Hazardous EHPS 5 yes Accepted (iii) Hazardous EHPS effect has been added
definition. Do all Haz EHPS failure conditions lead to (i) or (ii)?
failure condition
EHPS.15
Again, used of “abnormal” is not a clear qualifier. Why not model
Inadvertent
119 FAA DM 5 from EASA’s CS-Definitions of inadvertent transients (speed, yes Accepted Corrected accordingly
transient EHPS
torque, and temperature). These definitions don’t use “abnormal”
exceedance
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“The list of all the parts and equipment, including references to the
124 Airbus DS EHPS.20 6 Consider add “including SW builds” Yes No Accepted Added
relevant drawings, …” Software (SW) is missing
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Werner Scholz, The headline “fatigue loads” implies that perhaps a full blown-up
The following intended aircraft applications have been removed
European EHPS.200 Static fatigue analysis might be required. Add regarding guidance and/or introduce some tiering (i.e. Partially
128 11 suggestion from the scope: CS-22, CS-LSA, CS-23 level 1 day VFR and Light
Sailplane and fatigue Loads Again, for CS-22H the engine is required to run safe for 50 hours simplified requirements for simpler aircraft). accepted
UAS.
Manufacturers and that’s it basically…
EHPS.200 The paragraph is unclear. The aircraft designer will deal with loads
Not EHPS.200 should be maintained, especially if the EHPS is certified
131 VOLTAERO Static and fatigue 11 and fatigue by compliance with the aircraft certification We recommend to delete paragraph EHPS.200. YES NO
accepted as stand-alone product.
loads requirements to obtain the TC or STC.
Added accordingly.
133 SAFRAN EHPS.210 11 (a) Lack electrical stress (a) “A mechanical, thermal and electrical stress…” Yes Yes Accepted
Sepcific guidance will be provided in the Means of Compliance.
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Design margins need to take into consideration the defined flight Suggest defining the design margins across the flight and
135 TCCA EHPS.210 11 Accepted Sepcific guidance will be provided in the Means of Compliance.
and environmental envelope. environmental envelope.
138 SAFRAN EHPS.22 7 Typo : to remove the word “or” Alternatively the Instructions for Continued Airworthiness or… Yes No Accepted Corrected
“EHPS.22 Identification
…
(b) Major EHPS modules that can be changed independently in
service must be suitably identified so as to ensure traceability of
parts and to enable proper control over the interchangeability of We ask EASA to clarify and define what Major EHPS modules
The Boeing Reworded. Modules has been replaced by "engine modules" and
139 EHPS.22 7 such modules with different EHPS variants.” are. Suggest changing “modules” to “components or no yes Accepted
Company EHPS components and sub-systems has been added.
Clarification Needed: "Major EHPS Modules" is not defined subsystems”
anywhere in the document. We ask EASA to define it in order to
avoid confusion and interpretations. The term “module” is also not
used anywhere else and can be confused with specifically applying
to “battery modules”.
Werner Scholz,
European EHPS.22 Is it really needed to include a requirement (markings of parts)
143 6/7 Delete requirement if found to be a duplication. suggestion Accepted EHPS.22 (a) removed to avoid redundancy with Part 21.
Sailplane Identification which is valid for all parts of the aircraft anyway?
Manufacturers
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(c) The effects on vibration characteristics of excitation forces The complete aircraft design is required to perform an assessment
Aviation Major/concep Not
147 EHPS.230 12 EHPS 230- (c) - Why is catastrophic not included? caused by Fault conditions must be evaluated and shown not at aircraft level. This part of the aircraft certification process when
Manufacturers tual accepted
to result in a Hazardous or catastrophic EHPS Effect. assessing the EHPS installation.
Association
The vibration survey may be based on a FEA if the model used has
148 EHPS.230 why only vibration survey, why not FEA? Noted been validated.
Zeroavia Specific guidance will be provided in the Means of Compliance
James Lawson
A Performance Based Rule version of this could be added,
similar to: "[...] throughout the declared flight envelope and EHPS.230 is based on CS-E 650 for which all MoC related words
Compared to EHPS.230 (b), CS-E 340 (Vibration Test) specifies the Partially
149 TCCA EHPS.230 12 EHPS operating range for the intended installation have been removed.
margins that should considered at each power setting accepted
configuration. Adequate design margin must be demonstrated Specific guidance will be provided in the Means of Compliance.
at critical conditions
States 'electric field excitation' please clarify in the AMC what this
Vertical AMC to clarify scope of the ‘electric field excitation’ including
150 EHPS.230 (b) 12 means (EMI or current fluctuations causing vibrations, or Yes Accepted Specific guidance will be provided in the Means of Compliance
Aerospace sources.
electrically induced magnetic excitation?)
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EHPS.230 We recommend to delete in paragraph a) :”to the aircraft Partially In the event where the intended aircraft application is not known,
157 VOLTAERO 12 The EHPS designer does not know the aircraft design. YES NO
Vibration Survey structure”. accepted specific guidance will be provided in the Means of Compliance.
158 Rolls-Royce EHPS.230(b) 12 Scope needs to include all magnetic flux in motors or generators. Replace "electrical" with "electromagnetic". Yes No Accepted Corrected accordingly
For the use of an EHPS for a VTOL, the use of the term 'rotor' may
Consider rewording ‘Rotors’. Depending on the type of aircraft 'Rotors' - consider rewording to "rotating parts" within the indeed lead to confusion. However, the SC E-19 is not only
Vertical Partially
159 EHPS.240 13 (CTOL / VTOL) there may be a mix of Rotors (left devices) and EHPS. CS-P is defined to be outside of this SC scope, stating Yes intended for VTOl applications.
Aerospace accepted
propellers (forward thrust devices) "rotors" may confuse the reader. A 'rotor' definition in the context of the SC E-19 has been included
in EHPS.15.
AMC is linked to CS-E 840 but should also cover CS-E 850 for
160 SAFRAN EHPS.240 13 Associated AMC shaft failure/loss of load cases. Yes No Accepted Specific guidance will be provided in the Means of Compliance
‘Sufficient strength’ shall be defined in the associated MoC.
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Flying Whales would like to understand what are the categories of A 'rotor' definition in the context of the SC E-19 has been included
165 Flying Whales EHPS.240 13 Clarification Yes No Accepted
rotor considered on this requirement? in EHPS.15.
No margin between he speeds considered and the operating Add "Adequate design margin must be demonstrated" to Added.
168 TCCA EHPS.240 13 Accepted
conditions are required. include conditions beyond certified operating conditions. Specific guidance will be provided in the Means of Compliance.
Partially
170 FAA GH EHPS.240 (a) 13 The last sentence in (a) could be captured in the AMC yes Specific guidance will be provided in the Means of Compliance
accepted
The term "adequate margin" is used here, but that's vague. Does
171 Bell EHPS.240 (b) 13 Add guidance towards what is considered "adequate" margin Yes No Accepted Specific guidance will be provided in the Means of Compliance
adequate margin mean it's tested up to 125% RPM, or similar?
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EHPS.240
CS-E 840 % levels are not read-across here, what should be used
174 Rolls-Royce Overspeed and 13 Clarify the acceptable levels of margin. Yes No Accepted Specific guidance will be provided in the Means of Compliance
then?
Rotor Integrity
Werner Scholz,
EHPS.240 (b) what are adequate strength margins? (b) Specific guidance for 'adequate strength margin' will be
European (b) clarify
175 Overspeed and 13 (c) of course, operating limitations must not be exceeded in suggestion Accepted provided in the Means of Compliance.
Sailplane (c) delete as this is obvious
Rotor Integrity service… (c) suppressed
Manufacturers
176 Rolls-Royce EHPS.240(a) 13 Capitalization for consistency "Hazardous EHPS Effect" Yes No Accepted Corrected accordingly
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179 TCCA EHPS.25 7 In (b) delete the word "or" Suggest to delete text, if needed Accepted Corrected
Suggest this section define what ICA would consist of at the A similar wording, performance-based, as CS-23 amendement 5
Not
180 TCCA EHPS.25 7 ICA section is too general. integrated package ( i.e. internal combustion engine + electric has been used.
accepted
motors/generators + power distribution ). Specific guidance will be provided in the Means of Compliance.
Lange Aviation
181 EHPS.25 (b) 7 Grammar Delete “or” in “...Airworthiness or can...” Yes Accepted Corrected
GmbH
EHPS.25
Provisions for critical parts mentioned in CS-E 25 (b) is covered by
Instructions for Why is the full scope of CS-E 25 not included. For example the
Partially EHPS.25 and EHPS.90.
184 Rolls-Royce Continued 7 provisions for critical parts. There is a requirement within EHPS.90 Include the full scope of CS-E 25 No Yes
accepted The SC E-19 is objective based. Specific guidance will be provided
Airworthiness regarding ICA but the scope of ICA should be fully defined here.
in the Means of Compliance.
(ICA)
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EHPS.250 - Suggest adding that the energy levels and trajectories
Aviation Major/concep The word 'radially' has been removed. Specific guidance will be
191 EHPS.250 13 from any axial debris exiting the EHPS should be defined in the Accepted
Manufacturers tual provided as part of the means of compliance.
installation manual.
Association
Not
195 TCCA EHPS.250 13 Note comment for the Subpart A. Suggest to redefine the concept. Refer to answer provided for comment for Subpart A
accepted
EHPS.250
Compressor or
197 Rolls-Royce turbine blade 13 Grammar. "shutdown" is a noun, not a verb. "...before the EHPS is shut down following…" Yes No Accepted Corrected accordingly.
failure
containment
Airbus propose to update the wording of EHPS.250 Compressor
or Turbine Blade Failure Containment - as follows (new
proposed text shown in underlined italic font):
EHPS.250 It is not clear why the containment requirement is limited to radial
If the EHPS contains a compressor or a turbine, it must be
Compressor or containment. Axial containment should also be required. In
demonstrated that after failure any single compressor or
198 AIRBUS Turbine Blade 13 addition, the wording may be improved to specify that the blade N Y Accepted Corrected accordingly
turbine blade will be radially contained. In addition, it shall be
Failure failure and damages subsequent to the blade failure are to be
demonstrated that no hazard (High Energy Debris or Propeller
Containment considered
Release, hazardous or catastrophic aircraft effects) can arise as
a result of subsequent damage to the EHPS that is likely to
occur before the EHPS is shutdown following a blade Failure.
This should be interpreted as any rotating item, including bits of the
rotor, gears, etc… not “compressor and turbine blades”. I think
EHPS.250 EHPS.250 addresses now containment for all kind of rotating
199 Rolls-Royce 13 hybrid engines will have reduction gearboxes, that seems inevitable Clarify the definition. Yes No Accepted
containment parts.
given the need for light weight, high power density motors (more
efficient) and slow fans.
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EHPS.270 to 290 have no equivalent requirement with regards to Water ingestion is requested for piston engines in CS-E 430.
piston engines in CS-E. This might lead to a competitive CS-E 230 dedicated to piston engines deals with design
The requirements should be in line with the requirements for
Lange Aviation disadvantage of EHPS compared to piston engines. It is not clear precautions for the risk of icing and blockage of the air induction
207 EHPS.270 - 290 13-14 pistion engines, or it should be differentiated according to the Yes Accepted
GmbH why EHPS should fulfill additional requirements compared to other system, covering so the risk of icing and snow.
potential hazards or particularities of the EHPS in question.
propulsion systems. Why is this required for gas turbines and not EHPS.290 (a) allows to take credit from the engine installation to
for piston engines? cover the bird or hail strike (cowlings protections, propeller...)
There could be improved clarity of what the 'operating The opeation under rain conditions are considered as normal
Vertical EHPS.270 and envelope' allows the TC DOA to select or avoid when showing operations, whereas flight under icing or snow conditions can be
208 14 EHPS.270 allows 'operating envelope' but EHPS.280 does not. Yes Accepted
Aerospace 280 compliance. Consider whether 'operating envelope' should be forbidden as part of the aircraft flight manual.
in both EHPS.270 and 280. Specific guidance will be provided in the Means of Compliance.
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For sailplanes, no certification standard concentration of rain is Add “…subject to sudden encounters with the certification The following intended aircraft applications have been removed
European EHPS.270 Rain Partially
209 13 / 14 defined; it should be possible either to not allow operation in rain standard concentration of rain as applicable to the category of suggestion from the scope: CS-22, CS-LSA, CS-23 level 1 day VFR and Light
Sailplane conditions accepted
or to use word like “light / heavy rain” without such a definition. aircraft.” UAS.
Manufacturers
EHPS.270 Should this requirement include hailstorm? Hail strike is included in Add direct reference to current certification hail and hailstorm The intent to is to have a similar approach to CS-E.
211 TCCA 14 Accepted
EHPS.290 the EHPS.90 from a FOD perspective. environments. Specific guidance will be provided in the Means of Compliance.
The installation of the EHPS but also the flight envelope of the The opeation under rain conditions are considered as normal
aircraft have a lot of influence on rain effect. Flight in those operations. Propoer function of the EHPS under these conditions
EHPS.270 Not
212 VOLTAERO 13 conditions may also be prohibited. It is under the responsibility of We recommend to delete in paragraph EHPS.270. YES NO shall be demonstrated.
Rain conditions accepted
the aircraft designer. The EHPS requirements cannot be more Specific guidance will be provided in the Means of Compliance to
severe than the aircraft requirements. take into account the installation effects.
Cranfield
215 Aerospace EHPS.280 14 References EHPS.30(e). This doesn’t exist. Yes No Accepted Corrected accordingly.
Solutions Ltd
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EHPS.280 Icing The following intended aircraft applications have been removed
European similar as for Rain conditions… (point 13); Partially
223 and snow 14 similar as for Rain conditions… (point 13) suggestion from the scope: CS-22, CS-LSA, CS-23 level 1 day VFR and Light
Sailplane no snow / icing requirements typically required for sailplane accepted
conditions UAS.
Manufacturers
EHPS.280 Icing
Minor grammatical correction - Should read: 'The EHPS and any of
225 Rolls-Royce and snow 12 Correct wording Yes No Accepted Corrected accordingly.
its sub-systems...'.
conditions
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The installation of the EHPS but also the flight envelope of the Even if the aircraft is not allowed to flight in icing conditions, the
EHPS.280 aircraft have a lot of influence on ice and snow effect. Flight in propulsion system has always been requested to demonstrate
Not
226 VOLTAERO Icing and snow 14 those conditions may also be prohibited. It is under the We recommend to delete in paragraph EHPS.280. YES NO capability to do so. The intent is to follow the same approach as
accepted
conditions responsibility of the aircraft designer. The EHPS requirements CS-E. That is why the wording is very similar.
cannot be more severe than the aircraft requirements. Specific guidance will be provided in the Means of Compliance.
231 Zeroavia EHPS.290 Suggest adding bird and hail size. Accepted Specific guidance will be provided in the Means of Compliance
James Lawson
“EHPS.290 Bird, hail strike and impact of foreign matter
(a) The EHPS must be designed and/or installed so that any impact
by bird or hail, or other impact of foreign matter, that is likely to
occur in any one flight will not cause any Hazardous EHPS Effect or
Catastrophic Aircraft Effect as defined in EHPS.15.”
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A CSFL is indeed not requested on single engine A/C after the loss
of the engine. Paragraph b) is there to cover cases where the
intended aircraft application must demonstrate its capability to
EHPS.290 Bird, (b)(1) is probably not achievable for an aircraft that is equivalent to
ensure a CSFL, including following bird or hail strike.
hail strike and a single engine platform. A total loss of power or thrust on a single (1) loss of performance, unless addressed by the aircraft safety Partially
235 Rolls-Royce 14 Yes No "as defined in the Type-Certification Basis of the intended
impact of foreign engine platform would in most cases preclude continued safe flight assessment; accepted
application" has been replaced by "if defined in the Type-
matter and landing.
Certification Basis of the intended application" to emphasis this
point.
Specific guidance will be provided to clarify this.
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EHPS are different from a single motor as they most of the time
include several motors. As such, failures modes cannot be only
Relative to « …or Catastrophic Aircraft Effect as defined… »
assessed anymore at motor level but at aircraft level (e.g. when
238 FAA JP EHPS.290(a) 14 Don’t think the EPHS applicant can identify all CAT aircraft effects, yes Yes Noted
the propulsion system takes part in the flight control function).
that is done by the installer.
Proper coordination with the aircraft manufacturer will be
requested.
We suggest to change the text from:
(a) The EHPS must be designed and/or installed so that any
impact by bird or hail, or other impact of foreign matter, that is
The EHPS manufacturer should not be responsible to define what EHPS are different from a single motor as they most of the time
likely to occur in any one flight will not cause any Hazardous
are the Major, Hazardous or Catastrophic Aircraft Effects. This include several motors. As such, failures modes cannot be only
EHPS Effect or Catastrophic Aircraft Effect as defined in
categorization will be very dependent of the aircraft propulsion Not assessed anymore at motor level but at aircraft level (e.g. when
239 Embraer S.A. EHPS.290(a) 14 EHPS.15. yes no
architecture and this analysis should be made by the aircraft accepted the propulsion system takes part in the flight control function).
To:
manufacturer. Recommended to delete any reference to aircraft Proper coordination with the aircraft manufacturer will be
(a) The EHPS must be designed and/or installed so that any
level effects. requested.
impact by bird or hail, or other impact of foreign matter, that is
likely to occur in any one flight will not cause any Hazardous
EHPS Effect as defined in EHPS.15.
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249 FAA DJ EHPS.30 (b)(3) 8 Detail could be provided in the MOC for this information. yes Accepted Specific guidance will be provided in the Means of Compliance.
This seems to be an incomplete thought. (3) is supposed to As stated, the instructions mut include…"the interface conditions,
250 FAA JF EHPS.30 (b)(3) 8 complete the statement ”The instruction must include …”. In (3) it yes Noted reliability specifications and safety analyses for those components
is not clear what must be included. upon which the EHPS certification is based"
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256 Volocopter EHPS.30(b)(3) 9 Sentence has no ending Yes The sentence is correct
accepted
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AMC of EHPS.300 list CS-E 560 but should also cover full CS-E
262 SAFRAN EHPS.300 15 Associated AMC Yes Yes Accepted This will be part of the specific guidance work to be performed.
670.
Not
266 TCCA EHPS.300 15 Note comment for the Subpart A. Suggest to redefine the concept. Refer to answer provided for comment for Subpart A
accepted
This rule is scoped to include only reciprocating or turbine engines. Any technology related to the use of hydrogen, whether used to
It is suggested that fuel cells and other possible power sources - feed fuel cells or combustion engines is outside the scope of this
EHPS.300 Fuel Include all power plants, not just reciprocating and turbines in Not
267 Rolls-Royce 15 even as yet unknown options - should be included. A fuel cell, for Yes No special condition. These technologies request further work and
system rule scope accepted
example, could run on Hydrogen and maybe even one day on research before defining the associated certification
kerosene. requirements.
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Werner Scholz,
Showing of compliance by using typical fuel types / typical The following intended aircraft applications have been removed
European EHPS.300 Fuel Add regarding guidance and/or introduce some tiering (i.e. Partially
270 15 containment must be sufficient, otherwise this becomes rather suggestion from the scope: CS-22, CS-LSA, CS-23 level 1 day VFR and Light
Sailplane system simplified requirements for simpler aircraft). accepted
arduous UAS.
Manufacturers
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There are other aspects of CS-E for oil / lube systems that are This will be made via the Means of Compliance.
275 TCCA EHPS.310 15 Review CS-E270 and E570 for relevant aspects. Accepted
relevant here. Specific guidance will be provided in the Means of Compliance.
Not
276 TCCA EHPS.310 15 Note comment for the Subpart A. Suggest to redefine the concept. Refer to answer provided for comment for Subpart A
accepted
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Cooling does not include a provision for contamination, but This would create an inconcsistency with CS-E and would not ease
Not
286 Rolls-Royce EHPS.320 15 experience with other fluid means shows that it is good practice to include a provision for contamination <See also comment 18> Yes No the use of certified engines as part of the EHPS.
accepted
include such provisions Specific guidance could be provided to propose the best practices.
Proposal is to mention that if coolant is acting also as electrical This is part of the safety assessment that should be made as
Cooling of electrical systems is sometimes used as part of the Partially
287 Airbus DS EHPS.320 15 isolator, loss of cooling shall take that into account as an Yes No requested by EHPS.80.
electrical isolation strategy of the electrical component. accepted
additional risk. Specific guidance will be provided in the MoC.
“(a) The design and construction of the EHPS cooling system must
ensure adequate cooling in all normal operating conditions within
This is part of the safety assessment that should be made as
Airbus Group the declared flight envelope.” Partially
288 EHPS.320 15 Consider add missing requirement Yes No requested by EHPS.80.
(ADS) Missing CS-E 260 requirement that appropriate means or provision accepted
Specific guidance will be provided in the MoC.
for liquid-cooled Engines means shall be provided to detect loss of
coolant
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295 TCCA EHPS.330 16 In (d) missing dot; should read "EHPS.20" Suggest to revise text, if needed Accepted Corrected accordingly
Not
297 TCCA EHPS.330 16 Note comment for the Subpart A/page 17 Suggest to redefine the concept. Refer to answer provided for comment for Subpart A
accepted
Could EASA please elaborate on the definition of “drives”
298 Volocopter EHPS.330 (a) 17 mentioned Yes Accepted Specific guidance will be provided as AMC E 80.
in EHPS.330(a)?
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Unclear requirement. Ignition system simply needs to provide This requirement is an objective base requirement allowing to
303 FAA WM EHPS.340(a) 16 uninterrupted service when/if required. This leaves room for dual Yes Noted provide specific guidance depending on the nature of the EHPS
ignition systems or higher reliability single ignition systems. sub-systems.
Lange Aviation “Reasonable assurance” is an abstract and undetermined Should be defined in terms of probabilities depending on Consistency with CS-E should be maintained.
305 EHPS.350 18 Yes Accepted
GmbH expression. severity of potential effect. Specific guidance will be provided in similar way as AMC E 50(e).
(b) The difference between ‘flight envelope’ and ‘operational Replaced by "in all flight attitudes and atmospheric conditions in
309 SAFRAN EHPS.350 17/18 Flight Envelope definition Accepted
envelope’ may have to be explained. which the EHPS is expected to operate."
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EHPS are different from a single motor as they most of the time
include several motors. As such, failures modes cannot be only
(e)(2) There is an inconsistency with this paragraph. Only the
assessed anymore at motor level but at aircraft level (e.g. when
Aircraft TC Holder can demonstrate compliance with the
the propulsion system takes part in the flight control function).
aircraft safety objectives. For the Aircraft it is the Aircraft TCH.
This is why safety objectives have to be derived from the intended
This Special Condition requirement applies to an EHPS Not
310 SAFRAN EHPS.350 17/18 A/C Certification basis aircraft application. The aircraft manufacturer will provide these
applicant (with its own Certification Basis). accepted
data as it is already done today between aircraft manufacturers
Proposed text:
and engine manufacturers. EHPS manufacturers do need to take
(2) Not have any single failures that result in Hazardous EHPS
into account safety objectives that are provided by the aircraft
Effect(s) or Catastrophic Aircraft Effect; and..
manufacturers in order for them to be able to perform the
complete aircraft safety analysis.
(f) this paragraph seems partially redundant with the §(a) for
which exceedance of operating limitations has to be avoided.
312 SAFRAN EHPS.350 17/18 Protection system Concerning Protection system, does the objective of the § aim Accepted Paragraph dedicated to Protection Systems has been reworded.
at be focused on the availability of the function during
maintenance intervals?
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In reference to:
“CS-E 50 (j) Engines having a 30-Second OEI Power rating must
incorporate means or provision for means for automatic availability
Adapt and include CS-50(j) to account for controls related to
and automatic control of the 30-Second OEI Power within its
321 TCCA EHPS.350 17 augmented thrust time-limited modes of operation. Accepted Added accordingly.
operating limitations (see AMC E 50(j)).“
Review other paragraphs from CS-E 50 for applicability.
Instead of x-time OEI, there may be high thrust availability designed
to compensate for loss of thrust of some propulsors (loss of 3
thrusters out of 5), and a rating associated to the mode.
This requirement may still be applicable, both for the turbine
Removed: CS-E 50 (k) Means for shutting down the Engine rapidly
322 TCCA EHPS.350 17 or piston portions of a hybrid design, but also for cutting Accepted It is covered by EHPS.350 (d)
must be provided.
electrical loads in various situations.
It would be good to keep this high level to potentially use the EHPS.350(b) has been renamed to reflect the development
323 FAA DJ EHPS.350 (b) 17 System Verification Policy. Harmonization talks are planned in this Yes Noted assurance aspects.
area for early summer with EASA. Development assurance has also been added to EHPS.80(a)(3).
EHPS.350 Control (f) covers CS-E50 (e ) but at higher level; given the high level of (f) I Partially
328 Rolls-Royce 18 leave out (f) Yes No Paragraph dedicated to Protection Systems has been reworded.
System am not convinced it adds anything to (a). accepted
"The design and functioning of EHPS control devices and systems,
together with EHPS instruments and operating and maintenance
instructions, must provide reasonable assurance that the EHPS
EHPS.350 EHPS
329 Rolls-Royce 18 operating limitations will not be exceeded in service." Define "reasonable assurance". Yes No Noted Paragraph dedicated to Protection Systems has been reworded.
Control System
What is "reasonable assurance"? Is this related to the safety
assessment? In which case should the level of assurance not be
commensurate with the hazard being protected?
EHPS.350 (g) excludes the power command signal from this
EHPS.350 EHPS regulation (as does CS-E 50) but I would have thought that more Consider including the power command signal in the scope of
330 Rolls-Royce 18 Yes No Accepted Corrected accordingly
Control System should be done to ensure that loss or corruption of the power the regulation.
command signal should be detected and accommodated.
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Werner Scholz, The requirement (b) for the deign assurance could become a
The following intended aircraft applications have been removed
European EHPS.350 EHPS difficult task especially when applied onto the software Add regarding guidance and/or introduce some tiering (i.e. Partially
331 17 suggestion from the scope: CS-22, CS-LSA, CS-23 level 1 day VFR and Light
Sailplane Control System development. Here the limited possibilities for developers for the simplified requirements for simpler aircraft). accepted
UAS.
Manufacturers small aircraft sector could be exceeded very fast.
Sub-paragraph (a) should be completed to include a requirement to (d) Information system security protection.
provide adequate power response to control inputs. This is EHPS control systems, including networks, software and data,
identified today in CS-E and also in CS 25 and should be maintained. must be designed and installed so that they are protected from
The intent of sub-paragraph (d) is not obvious. It is not clear what intentional unauthorized electronic interactions that may
EHPS.350 EHPS added value it brings compared to § EHPS.490 and EHPS.30. result in adverse effects on the safety of the aircraft. The
335 AIRBUS 17 N Y Noted
Control System Sub-paragraph (f) seems to be redundant with sub-paragraph (a). security risks and vulnerabilities must be identified, assessed
Sub-paragraph (g) may be combined with sub-paragraph (e) and mitigated as necessary. The applicant must make
Sub-paragraph (d) could be combined with subparagraph (a) procedures and instructions for continued airworthiness (ICA)
The time limited dispatch requirement could be added to this EHPS available that ensure that the security protections of the EHPS
Control system paragraph controls are maintained.
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EHPS are different from a single motor as they most of the time
We recommend to modify the paragraph (b):
include several motors. As such, failures modes cannot be only
“(b) Design Assurance
assessed anymore at motor level but at aircraft level (e.g. when
Any software and complex electronic hardware, including
the propulsion system takes part in the flight control function).
programmable logic devices, shall be designed and developed
EHPS.350 This is why safety objectives have to be derived from the intended
using a structured and methodical approach that provides a Not
338 VOLTAERO EHPS Control 17 The EHPS designer does not know the safety level of the aircraft. YES NO aircraft application. The aircraft manufacturer will provide these
level of assurance for the logic, that is commensurate with the accepted
System data as it is already done today between aircraft manufacturers
severity of the hazard associated with the failure or
and engine manufacturers. EHPS manufacturers do need to take
malfunction of the systems in which the devices are located,
into account safety objectives that are provided by the aircraft
and is substantiated by a verification methodology acceptable
manufacturers in order for them to be able to perform the
to the Agency. “
complete aircraft safety analysis.
EHPS.350 We recommend to modify the paragraph : Paragraph dedicated to Protection Systems has been reworded.
The EHPS failures are already dealt with in EHPS.80 Safety Partially
339 VOLTAERO EHPS Control 17 - Delting (e) YES NO Specific requirement applies on top of the safety objectives
assessment. accepted
System - Renumbering (f) in (e). derived from the EHPS.80.
EHPS are different from a single motor as they most of the time
include several motors. As such, failures modes cannot be only
assessed anymore at motor level but at aircraft level (e.g. when
the propulsion system takes part in the flight control function).
EHPS.350 The EHPS designer does not know the safety level of the aircraft. We recommend to modify the paragraph : This is why safety objectives have to be derived from the intended
Not
340 VOLTAERO EHPS Control 18 The EHPS failures are already dealt with in EHPS.80 Safety - Delting (g) YES NO aircraft application. The aircraft manufacturer will provide these
accepted
System assessment. - Renumbering (h) in (f). data as it is already done today between aircraft manufacturers
and engine manufacturers. EHPS manufacturers do need to take
into account safety objectives that are provided by the aircraft
manufacturers in order for them to be able to perform the
complete aircraft safety analysis.
(4) Not have any single electrical or electronic failures that Covered by 350(e)(2).
result in Hazardous EHPS Effect(s). This applies to hard faults Specific guidance will be provided in the MoC to define the nature
341 FAA DK EHPS.350(e) 17 Add item Yes Accepted
(short circuits, open circuits, out-of-range) and soft faults (in- of the failure including hard (short circuits, open circuits, out-of-
range shifts, drifts, erratic fluctuations) range) and soft faults (in-range shifts, drifts, erratic fluctuations).
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345 FAA DJ EHPS.350(g) 18 A total loss of thrust for most eVTOLs would be catastrophic. Yes Noted This has to be assessed as requsted per EHPS.80.
More clarify is required on the following: "Single failures leading to AMC to define the types of ‘power command signals’, this
Vertical
346 EHPS.350(g) 18 a loss, interruption or corruption of aircraft-supplied data (other could include speed control (i.e. RPM command), or it may Yes Noted Folllowing received comments, the exclusion has been removed.
Aerospace
than power command signals from the aircraft)" include torque control but not necessarily speed.
We suggest to change the text from:
(g) Aircraft-supplied data. Single failures leading to a loss,
EHPS are different from a single motor as they most of the time
interruption or corruption of aircraft-supplied data (other than
include several motors. As such, failures modes cannot be only
power command signals from the aircraft), or aircraft-supplied
assessed anymore at motor level but at aircraft level (e.g. when
data shared between independent EHPS or independent
the propulsion system takes part in the flight control function).
engines of a EHPS must: (1) Not result in a Hazardous EHPS
This is why safety objectives have to be derived from the intended
Aircraft level system safety assessment should evaluate effects on Effect or Catastrophic Aircraft Effect for any EHPS installed on Not
347 Embraer S.A. EHPS.350(g) 18 yes no aircraft application. The aircraft manufacturer will provide these
the aircraft and it is not required to evaluated by this SC. the aircraft; and (2) Be detected and accommodated. accepted
data as it is already done today between aircraft manufacturers
To:
and engine manufacturers. EHPS manufacturers do need to take
(g) Aircraft-supplied data.
into account safety objectives that are provided by the aircraft
Single failures leading to a loss, interruption or corruption of
manufacturers in order for them to be able to perform the
aircraft-supplied data (other than power command signals
complete aircraft safety analysis.
from the aircraft), or aircraft-supplied data shared between
independent EHPS or independent engines of a EHPS must:
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This implies to me that total loss of thrust, landing off-site, etc. are
EHPS.350 (g)(1) and (g)(2) do not imply this.
EHPS.350(g)(1) acceptable. Given that this is a design choice (single input from the
348 FAA AS 18 Yes Noted The criticality of such events should be made at aircraft level by
and (2) airplane that could affect all engines), maybe the requirements
the aircraft manufacturer.
from EHPS 290(b) would be more appropriate.
Same methodology and requirements as for CS-E.
(a) is important as it defines the non obligation to show
Shouldn’t one high level rule be written and have (a) thru (e ) be
compliance to this requirement.
addressed in the MOC? The MOC requirements seem like they Not
349 FAA DJ EHPS.355 18 Yes (b) provides additional safety and operational requirements for
could vary considerably between fixed wing, rotorcraft/eVTOL, and accepted
each dispatchable configuration.
UAS.
Detailed guidance is provided as per ARP5107B. Similar guidance
should be made for EHPS control system.
Lange Aviation Search document for “engine” and replace with “EHPS” where
350 EHPS.355 18 “EHPS” instead of “Engine” in several instances Yes Accepted Corrected accordingly.
GmbH appropriate
351 Rolls-Royce EHPS.355 18 (b)(6) Typo: Substitute "EHPS" instead of "Engine" Substitute wording Yes No Accepted Corrected accordingly.
EHPS are different from a single motor as they most of the time
include several motors. As such, failures modes cannot be only
assessed anymore at motor level but at aircraft level (e.g. when
the propulsion system takes part in the flight control function).
This is why safety objectives have to be derived from the intended
It may not be appropriate to include aircraft level effects here. Not
355 FAA PH EHPS.355 (b)(5) 18 Yes aircraft application. The aircraft manufacturer will provide these
Again overreach accepted
data as it is already done today between aircraft manufacturers
and engine manufacturers. EHPS manufacturers do need to take
into account safety objectives that are provided by the aircraft
manufacturers in order for them to be able to perform the
complete aircraft safety analysis.
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EHPS are different from a single motor as they most of the time
include several motors. As such, failures modes cannot be only
assessed anymore at motor level but at aircraft level (e.g. when
the propulsion system takes part in the flight control function).
We recommend to modify the paragraph (b) (5):
EHPS.355 This is why safety objectives have to be derived from the intended
(5) A further single Failure in the EHPS control system will not Not
358 VOLTAERO Time-Limited 18 The EHPS designer does not know the safety level of the aircraft. YES NO aircraft application. The aircraft manufacturer will provide these
produce a Hazardous Engine Effect or a Catastrophic Aircraft accepted
Dispatch data as it is already done today between aircraft manufacturers
Effect; “
and engine manufacturers. EHPS manufacturers do need to take
into account safety objectives that are provided by the aircraft
manufacturers in order for them to be able to perform the
complete aircraft safety analysis.
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Add "(a)"
Add
"(b) The instrument or sensor connections must be designed or
361 TCCA EHPS.360 19 labeled to ensure a correct connection. Suggest to revise and add text, if needed Accepted EHPS.360 has been reworded.
(c) Any instrumentation on which the Safety Assessment (see
EHPS.80) depends must be specified and declared mandatory in the
EHPS installation manual."
Removed:
CS-E 60(b) "A list of the instruments necessary for control of the
This requirement may still be applicable, both for the turbine
Engine must be provided in the instructions for installation. The
or piston portions of a hybrid design, but also for cutting
362 TCCA EHPS.360 19 overall limits of accuracy and transient response required of such Accepted EHPS.360 has been reworded.
electrical loads in various situations.
instruments for control of the operation of the EHPS must also be
Review other paragraphs from CS-E 60 for applicability.
stated so that the suitability of the instruments as installed may be
assessed."
EHPS.360
Instrument and Partially Paragraph has been reworded to explain the complete link from
363 AIRBUS 19 The intent of this paragraph is covered under EHPS.80 Airbus propose to delete the paragraph. N Y
Sensor accepted EHPS.80 to design to EHPS.30.
Connection
EHPS.360 This rule is a bit weak given the variety of new sensors and other
Electrical protections are not part of this paragraph.
364 Rolls-Royce Instrument and 19 protective devices (e.g. fuses) that turn up as a result of Clarify the definition. Yes No Accepted
This paragraph is dedicated to the instrumentation.
Sensors electrification.
The requirement should also cover protection of connected This is covered by EHPS.370 which refers to the intended aircraft
Lange Aviation The interdependence of systems connected to the distribution
365 EHPS.370 19 systems, e.g. from overloads and fluctuations, short circuits in Yes Accepted application requirements.
GmbH network, especially in case of failures is not discussed.
one system. Specific guidance will be provided.
What happens if the system is unloaded? There is a lot of energy
that has to be managed in order to avoid going somewhere it is not
wanted. Potential for a generator to be disconnectred from a
366 Rolls-Royce EHPS.370 19 Consider paragraph (d) to cover disconnection of loads. Yes No Accepted Added accordingly.
storage device, leaving no energy-sink. Add paragraph (d):
"Disconnection of loads shall have no detrimental effects on the
Electrical power generation and distribution.
This is already covered by EHPS.370 which refers to the intended
The means of compliance to EHPS.370 makes reference to CS-E
aircraft application requirements where electrical bonding is
367 Rolls-Royce EHPS.370 19 135, Electrical Bonding. Why isn't the scope of CS-E 135 included in Include the full scope of CS-E 135 Yes No Accepted
addressed.
full within this SC?
Specific guidance will be provided.
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373 TCCA EHPS.370 19 Note comment for the Subpart A. To redefine the concept. Refer to answer provided for comment for Subpart A
accepted
BMS is now part of the EHPS control system and thus subject to
Lacking a requirement to ensure the EHPS electrical power and
EHPS.370 Suggest a similar requirement to EHPS.350(e) be included in Partially EHPS.350 requirements.
377 TCCA 19 distribution systems / electrical storage systems does not have
EHPS.380 EHPS.370 & 380. accepted EHPS is subject to the safety assessment process as requested in
failures that could result in hazardous EHPS effects
EHPS.80.
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What happens if, by design, the energy storage device does not
have sufficient energy, on its own, to provide the energy for full "It" replaced by "Propulsion battery".
thrust, but is used to supplement another source? In this case, Paragraph (b) has been reworded to be architecture and usage
384 Rolls-Royce EHPS.380 20 Replace "it" with "EHPS" Yes No Accepted
Paragraph (b) has an ambiguous "it"; propose we replace with agnostic..
"EHPS" to avoid referring to only the energy storage device of the Specific guidance will be provided in the Means of Compliance.
EHPS
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EHPS 380- (b) What about the safety assessment of the Energy
General Storage System? "If the EHPS contains an electric energy storage The propulsion battery, if part of the EHPS, must be part of the
Aviation device providing electric energy to an electric engine(s), it must be safety assessment requested in EHPS.80. The safety objectives
389 EHPS.380 20 Include ESD Safety Assessment. Question Noted
Manufacturers designed and constructed so as to provide the required energy for begin derived from the intended aircraft application, there is no
Association the electric engine(s) of the EHPS at all time during the flight in inconsistency.
order for them to provide the rated powers defined in EHPS.40."
This “energy storage device” could be just a battery for some hold
Paragraph (b) has been reworded to be architecture and usage
up purpose, emergency, etc..or an energy system to power the
394 FAA DJ EHPS.380 (a) 19 Yes Accepted agnostic..
motors full time. As Gary says Maybe. The line is not clear where
Specific guidance will be provided in the Means of Compliance.
this is part of the propulsion system or the aircraft installation.
What if the ESD is only for certain phases of flight such as takeoff? Paragraph (b) has been reworded to be architecture and usage
395 FAA DJ EHPS.380 (b) 20 Will this be allowed with the statement “at all time during the Yes Accepted agnostic..
flight…”? Specific guidance will be provided in the Means of Compliance.
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397 Rolls-Royce 20 Typo: 'at all time' should be 'at all times'. Correct wording Yes No Noted
Storage System agnostic..
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EHPS.40 Ratings
412 Rolls-Royce and operating 8 There are two items (d) Correct numbering Yes No Accepted Corrected accordingly
limitations
General
Aviation EHPS.410 - Suggest clarifying that the ICA may be in draft form Partially Specific guidance will be provided as part of the Means of
417 EHPS.410 21 Minor
Manufacturers when the tests are being run. accepted Compliance.
Association
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I recommend this be better defined. Also, I read “limit capabilities” Add a sentence to the end of this paragraph (“The EHPS Time between overhaul is covered by EHPS.430.
Partially
422 FAA AS / PH EHPS.420 (a) 21 as speeds and temperatures; is it supposed to also cover time manufacturer should justify the specific time duration. . .” to Yes Specific guidance will be provided as part of the Means of
accepted
between overhauls? attempt to better define this test. Compliance.
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This sounds like an IMI test to me, but it could be good to separate
428 FAA AS EHPS.430 22 Yes Noted
TBO from off-schedule testing (EHPS 420 above)
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Relative to « … EHPS must be completely disassembled. » This paragraph has been reworded. Consistency with CS-E is made.
434 FAA DJ EHPS.450 (a) 22 This should be restated? This could be defined in the MOC. Yes Accepted Specific guidance will be provided as part of the Means of
Completely disassembled for an electric motor may not be clear. Compliance.
EHPS.460 should also cover specific functioning modes / Specific guidance will be provided as part of the Means of
437 SAFRAN EHPS.460 26 AMC architecture of the EHPS, especially for electrical systems. This yes no Accepted Compliance.
could be addressed within corresponding AMC. Note that EHPS Specific Operation is now placed in EHPS.480.
The proposal to have a possibility not to demonstrate the
starting/restarting capability of the EHPS is not understood
“…unless it is shown that there is no safety benefits…”.
Corrected accordingly.
438 SAFRAN EHPS.460 26 Starting and restarting strategy Question may be if the function is required by the aircraft yes no Accepted
Specific guidance will be provided in the Means of Compliance.
manufacturer (necessary procedure for aircraft operation).
Proposal could be “…unless not required by the aircraft
manufacturer for aircraft operation as declared in the IOM…”
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440 FAA DJ EHPS.460 (e) 24 Relative to reference to propeller (two times) Add “or rotor” Yes Accepted Added accordingly.
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I don’t see a SC that captures the requirements for propeller Propellers are outside the scope of the SC E-19.
446 FAA JP EHPS.490 24 controls within the EHPS or inclusion of a thrust producing fan in Yes Noted Fans are covered by the SC E-19 as stated in the EHPS definition
the EHPS (ref F3338 paragraphs 5.24 and 5.25). provided in EHPS.15.
EHPS.490
The intent of this paragraph is unclear. It seems not applicable. Any
System, Not For example, controllers might be qualified according to DO 160 in
452 VOLTAERO 24 system, equipment or component would be substantiated by test We recommend to delete the paragraph EHPS.490. YES NO
equipment and accepted order to fulfill this requirement.
or analysis.
component tests
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The specification of corrosion may limit the considerations of an Propose more general statement such as: "[...] assumed service
458 TCCA EHPS.50 9 Accepted Corrected accordingly.
applicant. conditions over the life of the product."
Insulation bearkdown has been added but the examples that are
EHPS.50 For hybrid systems there are better examples of deterioration over
459 Rolls-Royce 9 Consider including better examples for hybrid systems. Yes No Accepted provided does not constitue an exhaustive list.
Materials time than corrosion e.g. insulation break-down
Specific guidance will be provided in the Means of Compliance.
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EHPS are different from a single motor as they most of the time
include several motors. As such, failures modes cannot be only
assessed anymore at motor level but at aircraft level (e.g. when
the propulsion system takes part in the flight control function).
(iii) Multiple Failures that result in the Hazardous EHPS Effects, This is why safety objectives have to be derived from the intended
Hazardous Aircraft Effects or Catastrophic Aircraft Effects defined in Clarify why aircraft level safety is referred to which would be aircraft application. The aircraft manufacturer will provide these
462 Rolls-Royce EHPS.80 9 Yes No Noted
EHPS 15. - why are the last two categories included as they relate to covered by aircraft certification data as it is already done today between aircraft manufacturers
the aircraft and engine manufacturers. EHPS manufacturers do need to take
into account safety objectives that are provided by the aircraft
manufacturers in order for them to be able to perform the
complete aircraft safety analysis.
EHPS.80(a)(1)(i) has been reworded accordingly to clarify this.
463 Rolls-Royce EHPS.80 9 Paragraph (b) is missing Renumber further paragraphs or state "not used" Yes No Accepted Corrected
EHPS are different from a single motor as they most of the time
include several motors. As such, failures modes cannot be only
assessed anymore at motor level but at aircraft level (e.g. when
EHPS provides EHPS Failures Conditions identified as potential
the propulsion system takes part in the flight control function).
contributor to a hazardous aircraft effect according to the
This is why safety objectives have to be derived from the intended
EHPS-030.
Partially aircraft application. The aircraft manufacturer will provide these
464 SAFRAN EHPS.80 9 (2) Aircraft safety analysis, not EHPS responsibility Propose to maintain only major EHPS effects & hazardous EHPS Yes Yes
accepted data as it is already done today between aircraft manufacturers
effects or add “…for Hazardous Aircraft Effects or Catastrophic
and engine manufacturers. EHPS manufacturers do need to take
Aircraft Effects in accordance with safety objectives defined in
into account safety objectives that are provided by the aircraft
the EHPS.30…”
manufacturers in order for them to be able to perform the
complete aircraft safety analysis.
EHPS.80(a)(1)(i) has been reworded accordingly to clarify this.
EHPS are different from a single motor as they most of the time
include several motors. As such, failures modes cannot be only
EHPS applicant could not conform directly to aircraft type
assessed anymore at motor level but at aircraft level (e.g. when
certification basis.
the propulsion system takes part in the flight control function).
Proposed text:
This is why safety objectives have to be derived from the intended
(3) proposal : "It must be shown by the EHPS applicant that
(3) Safety objective related to type certification basis of the Partially aircraft application. The aircraft manufacturer will provide these
465 SAFRAN EHPS.80 9 EHPS design and construction is compliant to the aircraft Yes Yes
intended aircraft accepted data as it is already done today between aircraft manufacturers
specification flown dow by the aircraft applicant to allows the
and engine manufacturers. EHPS manufacturers do need to take
intended aircraft application to meet the qualitative and
into account safety objectives that are provided by the aircraft
quantitative safety objectives defined in the type-certification
manufacturers in order for them to be able to perform the
basis of the intended aircraft application."
complete aircraft safety analysis.
EHPS.80(a)(1)(i) has been reworded accordingly to clarify this.
EHPS are different from a single motor as they most of the time
include several motors. As such, failures modes cannot be only
assessed anymore at motor level but at aircraft level (e.g. when
the propulsion system takes part in the flight control function).
This is why safety objectives have to be derived from the intended
Aircraft applicant needs to define to EHPS applicant all necessary aircraft application. The aircraft manufacturer will provide these
466 SAFRAN EHPS.80 9 CS-E 30 should be adapted in SC-EHPS Yes Yes Accepted
assumptions (e.g. : quantitative & qualitative safety objectives) data as it is already done today between aircraft manufacturers
and engine manufacturers. EHPS manufacturers do need to take
into account safety objectives that are provided by the aircraft
manufacturers in order for them to be able to perform the
complete aircraft safety analysis.
EHPS.80(a)(1)(i) has been reworded accordingly to clarify this.
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EHPS are different from a single motor as they most of the time
include several motors. As such, failures modes cannot be only
assessed anymore at motor level but at aircraft level (e.g. when
the propulsion system takes part in the flight control function).
This is why safety objectives have to be derived from the intended
aircraft application. The aircraft manufacturer will provide these
data as it is already done today between aircraft manufacturers
Not and engine manufacturers. EHPS manufacturers do need to take
468 SAFRAN EHPS.80 10 (D).(1).(ii) : Aircraft safety analysis, not EHPS responsibility To propose to remove § Yes Yes
accepted into account safety objectives that are provided by the aircraft
manufacturers in order for them to be able to perform the
complete aircraft safety analysis.
EHPS.80(a)(1)(i) has been reworded accordingly to clarify this.
Paragraph has been modified to clarify the roles and
responsibilities of the aircraft manufacturer and the EHPS
manufacturer. Specific guidance will be provided in the Means Of
Compliance.
Partially
469 SAFRAN EHPS.80 10 (5) Filght crew action To move in EHPS.30 Yes Yes Crew action replaced by Operating instructions.
accepted
AMC of § EHPS.80 should include a reference to AMC 510 (h)
470 SAFRAN EHPS.80 10 (d)(2) - AMC Maintenance errors / human factors and also address maintenance errors especially related to Yes No Accepted Guidance will be provided accordingly
electrical systems and wiring
General EHPS80-(c)- If the Primary Failure of certain single elements that If the Primary Failure of certain single elements that are likely
Aviation are likely to result in Hazardous EHPS Effects cannot be sensibly to result in Hazardous or catastrophic EHPS Effects cannot be Major/concep Not This § is related to the definition of critical part defined in
471 EHPS.80 9
Manufacturers estimated in numerical terms, reliance must be placed on meeting sensibly estimated in numerical terms, reliance must be placed tual accepted EHPS.15.
Association the... on meeting the…
General
Aviation
473 EHPS.80 10 EHPS 80- (2) Is appropriate manuals unclude A/RFMS? Add A/RFMS to the relevant manuals. Minor Accepted Added
Manufacturers
Association
General
EHPS 80-(5) Flight crew actions. These actions must be identified in
Aviation
474 EHPS.80 10 the operating instructions manual and appropriately substantiated Should A/RFMS be called out as well? Question Accepted Added
Manufacturers
at aircraft level if the intended aircraft application is known
Association
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maintenance intervals must be published in the Airworthiness Effects at rates in excess of the rates defined in the associated
Limitations section of the Instructions for Continued Type-Certification basis of the intended aircraft application(s)
Airworthiness (refer to EHPS.25) when:
(i) necessary for preventing the occurrence of Hazardous EHPS
Effects at a rate in excess of Extremely Remote; or
(ii) the occurrence of Hazardous and Catastrophic Aircraft Effects at
rates in excess of the rates defined in the associated Type-
Certification basis of the intended aircraft application(s)
EHPS are different from a single motor as they most of the time
include several motors. As such, failures modes cannot be only
assessed anymore at motor level but at aircraft level (e.g. when
“(iii) Multiple Failures that result in the Hazardous EHPS Effects, the propulsion system takes part in the flight control function).
Hazardous Aircraft Effects or Catastrophic Aircraft Effects defined in This is why safety objectives have to be derived from the intended
EHPS 15.” aircraft application. The aircraft manufacturer will provide these
480 Airbus DS EHPS.80 9 Yes No Noted
Novelty with respect to CS-E. Here catastrophic A/C effects are also data as it is already done today between aircraft manufacturers
considered. This will imply having at least a preliminary A/C FHA. and engine manufacturers. EHPS manufacturers do need to take
EHPS certification potentially linked to an A/C design. into account safety objectives that are provided by the aircraft
manufacturers in order for them to be able to perform the
complete aircraft safety analysis.
EHPS.80(a)(1)(i) has been reworded accordingly to clarify this.
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EHPS are different from a single motor as they most of the time
include several motors. As such, failures modes cannot be only
assessed anymore at motor level but at aircraft level (e.g. when
the propulsion system takes part in the flight control function).
This is why safety objectives have to be derived from the intended
Suggest this section define applicability of the safety
The Safety Assessment seems to be requested at the aircraft level Partially aircraft application. The aircraft manufacturer will provide these
482 TCCA EHPS.80 9 assessment only at the Integrated Hybrid Propulsion System
rather than at the propulsion unit itself. accepted data as it is already done today between aircraft manufacturers
level.
and engine manufacturers. EHPS manufacturers do need to take
into account safety objectives that are provided by the aircraft
manufacturers in order for them to be able to perform the
complete aircraft safety analysis.
EHPS.80(a)(1)(i) has been reworded accordingly to clarify this.
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Is the distinction between Hazardous EHPS Effect and Hazardous Hazardours EHPS effects are defined in order to introduce EHPS
491 FAA JG EHPS.80 (a)(1)(iii) 9 Yes Noted
Aircraft Effect necessary? critical parts while ensuring consistency with CS-E
492 FAA DK EHPS.80 (a)(1)(iii) 9 Add Major to Hazardous or Catastrophic aircraft effects. Yes Accepted Modified accordingly
If there is an expectation to meet various levels of airplane level
probabilities, what are the standards to support them? In part 33,
the existing standards are the foundation for compliance with
required probabilities, see rule below. This draft is emulating part
33. As such, it only supports the hazardous EHPS effects.
Yes, the intent is to define the acceptable probabilities of the EHPS
493 FAA DM EHPS.80 (a)(2) 9 §33.75(c): “The primary failure of certain single elements cannot be Yes Noted
failures according to the intended aircraft application.
sensibly estimated in numerical terms. If the failure of such
elements is likely to result in hazardous engine effects, then
compliance may be shown by reliance on the prescribed integrity
requirements of §§ 33.15, 33.27, and 33.70 as applicable. These
instances must be stated in the safety analysis.”
EHPS are different from a single motor as they most of the time
include several motors. As such, failures modes cannot be only
assessed anymore at motor level but at aircraft level (e.g. when
the propulsion system takes part in the flight control function).
The references to Aircraft Level effects over reaches the traditional This is why safety objectives have to be derived from the intended
boundaries. aircraft application. The aircraft manufacturer will provide these
494 FAA GH / WM EHPS.80 (a)(2) 9 Yes yes Noted
Again, this doesn’t make sense. An EHPS manufacturer can’t predict data as it is already done today between aircraft manufacturers
every future aircraft and installation using their product. and engine manufacturers. EHPS manufacturers do need to take
into account safety objectives that are provided by the aircraft
manufacturers in order for them to be able to perform the
complete aircraft safety analysis.
EHPS.80(a)(1)(i) has been reworded accordingly to clarify this.
EHPS are different from a single motor as they most of the time
include several motors. As such, failures modes cannot be only
assessed anymore at motor level but at aircraft level (e.g. when
the propulsion system takes part in the flight control function).
This is why safety objectives have to be derived from the intended
aircraft application. The aircraft manufacturer will provide these
495 FAA JG EHPS.80 (a)(2) 9 Similar comment as above (see 26) yes yes Noted
data as it is already done today between aircraft manufacturers
and engine manufacturers. EHPS manufacturers do need to take
into account safety objectives that are provided by the aircraft
manufacturers in order for them to be able to perform the
complete aircraft safety analysis.
EHPS.80(a)(1)(i) has been reworded accordingly to clarify this.
EHPS are different from a single motor as they most of the time
include several motors. As such, failures modes cannot be only
assessed anymore at motor level but at aircraft level (e.g. when
the propulsion system takes part in the flight control function).
This is why safety objectives have to be derived from the intended
Isn’t this really just the general objective of obtaining a TC? I don’t
aircraft application. The aircraft manufacturer will provide these
496 FAA JG EHPS.80 (a)(3) 9 see a requirement here that an applicant could reasonably show Yes Noted
data as it is already done today between aircraft manufacturers
compliance with.
and engine manufacturers. EHPS manufacturers do need to take
into account safety objectives that are provided by the aircraft
manufacturers in order for them to be able to perform the
complete aircraft safety analysis.
EHPS.80(a)(1)(i) has been reworded accordingly to clarify this.
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Flight Crew Alerts and Actions – The alerting means and Alerting is part of the instrumentation mentioned in (4).
503 FAA DK EHPS.80 (d)(5) 10 Yes Accepted
recommended crew actions must be identified Crew actions has been replaced by Operating instructions
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(d)(5) Flight crew actions. These actions must be identified in the If the intended application is known, EASA epxects the EHPS
operating instructions manual and appropriately substantiated at (d)(5) Flight crew actions. These actions must be identified in provider and the aircraft manufacturer, if these are different
EHPS.80 Safety aircraft level if the intended aircraft application is known. the operating instructions manual and appropriately Partially entities, to work in coordination on the interfaces between the
506 Rolls-Royce 10 Yes No
Assessment substantiated at aircraft level if the intended aircraft accepted EHPS and the aircraft. Operation instructions are one of the
The A/C level requirements and compliance evidence should not application is known. interfaces.
be with the EHPS applicant responsibility. Rewording has been made as a substantiation may not be feasible.
EHPS are different from a single motor as they most of the time
include several motors. As such, failures modes cannot be only
assessed anymore at motor level but at aircraft level (e.g. when
(3) It must be shown that the design and construction of the the propulsion system takes part in the flight control function).
there is no safety objective defined for EHPS on its own. This
EHPS allows the intended aircraft application to meet the This is why safety objectives have to be derived from the intended
implies that the restriction of not necessarily fullfilling the safety
EHPS.80 Safety qualitative and quantitative safety objectives defined in the aircraft application. The aircraft manufacturer will provide these
507 Rolls-Royce 9 objectives of an intended a/c application must be stated in the Yes No Accepted
Assessment type-certification basis of the intended aircraft application. The data as it is already done today between aircraft manufacturers
assumtions or installation document
demonstrated safety objectives must be published in the and engine manufacturers. EHPS manufacturers do need to take
<Also related to comment 51>
installation manual. into account safety objectives that are provided by the aircraft
manufacturers in order for them to be able to perform the
complete aircraft safety analysis.
EHPS.80(a)(1)(i) has been reworded accordingly to clarify this.
Airbus propose to update the wording of EHPS.80 Safety
assessment - as follows (new proposed text shown in
underlined italic font):
(a) When the EHPS is certified as part of the Aircraft Type
Certificate, a safety analysis of the EHPS, including the control
system, must be carried out, as per the safety analysis
requirements of the certification specification applicable to the
concerned aircraft, in order to assess all Failure Conditions that
can reasonably be expected to occur.
(1) In addition to each aircraft type certification safety analysis
requirements, it must be demonstrated that the probability of
an individual Failure leading to non-containment of High
Energy debris or Propeller release as applicable can be
predicted to be not greater than 10–8 per HEPS flight hour
(2) If the Primary Failure of certain single elements that are
likely to result in High Energy Debris or Propeller release cannot
be sensibly estimated in numerical terms, reliance must be
This paragraph is mixing EHPS effects and aircraft effects and is not The scope of the Special Condition is now limited to the case
placed on meeting the prescribed integrity specifications of
providing clear objectives for EHPS effects. With the aim of adding where the intended aircraft application is known.
EHPS.90. Any such critical part shall be identified in the safety
clarity whilst maintaining flexibility in the possible certification For the time being, EASA is willing to give flexibility in order to
analysis
EHPS.80 Safety approaches (with or w/o a specific EHPS Type Certificate) Airbus is Partially enable innovation.
508 AIRBUS 9 and 10 (3) Any dependence of the safety demonstration on N Y
assessment respectfully proposing a complete rewording of the proposed accepted EHPS can be certified as part of the aircraft or a stand-alone
maintenance / instrumentation must be clearly identified in the
paragraph. The new proposal also takes into account the comment product.
safety analysis and published in the A/C ICA/manuals as
NR 3 made about the Terminology paragraph. Proposal is also Specific guidance will be provided in a Certification Memorandum
required in particular (AMC EHPS.80(a))
made to include some considerations as part of a future AMC. to part 21 regarding the ways to certify an EHPS.
(b) (1)When the EHPS is not certified as part of the Aircraft
Type Certificate, an analysis of the EHPS, including the control
system, must be carried out in order to assess all Failure
Conditions that can reasonably be expected to occur.
(2)(i) The analysis must show that the design and construction
of the EHPS allows the intended aircraft application to meet the
qualitative and quantitative safety objectives defined in the
type-certification basis of the intended aircraft application.
(ii) In addition, it must be demonstrated that the probability of
an individual Failure leading to non-containment of High
Energy debris or Propeller release can be predicted to be not
greater than 10–8 per HEPS flight hour
(iii) If the Primary Failure of certain single elements that are
likely to result in High Energy Debris or Propeller release cannot
be sensibly estimated in numerical terms, reliance must be
placed on meeting the prescribed integrity specifications of
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EHPS.80
520 VOLTAERO Safety 9 Typing error ( c ) should be (b) YES NO Accepted Corrected
assessment
EHPS.80
522 VOLTAERO Safety 10 Typing error ( d ) should be (c) YES NO Accepted Corrected
assessment
Define quantitative figures relevant for the EHPS aircraft Extremely remote probability is now linked with its definition for
Vertical (a) probability vs impact, no quantitative figures for achieved safety
524 EHPS.80(a) 9 category, or provide reference to established safety targets Yes Accepted the intended aircraft application.
Aerospace are defined
(e.g., AMC 25.1309). Guidance will be provided to support EHPS.80.
EHPS are different from a single motor as they most of the time
include several motors. As such, failures modes cannot be only
The requirement asks for EHPS safety assessment that includes assessed anymore at motor level but at aircraft level (e.g. when
Aircraft effects. the propulsion system takes part in the flight control function).
The possible highly-integrated nature of some aircraft architectures This is why safety objectives have to be derived from the intended
To rely on the overall safety assessment, including EHPS, at
J. Jézégou that incorporates EHPS renders this overall assessment necessary. Partially aircraft application. The aircraft manufacturer will provide these
525 EHPS.80(a) 9 aircraft level in aircraft CS, and to focus as EHPS effects in the Suggestion No
ISAE-SUPAERO However, in case of EHPS standalone certification with an applicant accepted data as it is already done today between aircraft manufacturers
SC.
that is not the aircraft manufacturer, the responsibility required and engine manufacturers. EHPS manufacturers do need to take
from the applicant for such an assessment may not be relevant. into account safety objectives that are provided by the aircraft
(CS-APU -> only APU effects / CS-E -> only E effects) manufacturers in order for them to be able to perform the
complete aircraft safety analysis.
EHPS.80(a)(1)(i) has been reworded accordingly to clarify this.
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Vertical
527 EHPS.80(b) 9 (b) is missing State “(b) reserved” Yes Accepted Corrected
Aerospace
Vertical
528 EHPS.90 10 The word 'engine' is used repeatedly here Replace ‘engine’ with ' EHPS' or 'Engine / Motor' Yes Accepted Corrected
Aerospace
Lange Aviation There is a risk of nullifying the whole purpose of the safety The AMC should provide guidance which procedures are
529 EHPS.90 10 Yes Accepted Guidance will be provided accordingly
GmbH assessment when applying superficial methods here. acceptable, e.g. as in AMC CS-E 515.
Lange Aviation “EHPS critical part” instead of “Engine critical part” in several Search document for “engine” and replace with “EHPS” where
530 EHPS.90 10 Yes Accepted Corrected
GmbH instances appropriate
Cranfield
531 Aerospace EHPS.90 10 Should “Engine Critical Part” be ‘EHPS Critical Part’? Reword if not intended. Yes No Accepted Corrected
Solutions Ltd
Scope of aparagraphs is too small, referring to "engine" erroneously Replace "Engine Critical Part" with "EHPS Crtitical Part". 4
532 Rolls-Royce EHPS.90 9 & 10 Yes No Accepted Corrected
when "EHPS" is intended in this context. 4 instances. instances.
Partially
533 SAFRAN EHPS.90 10 (a) Engine mentioned To replace by EHPS sub system Yes No Replaced by "EHPS"
accepted
Werner Scholz, Similar to EHPS.80: Guidance for simpler aircraft is missing, which
The following intended aircraft applications have been removed
European EHPS.90 EHPS could lead to onerous way of showing compliance. Within CS-22H Add regarding guidance and/or introduce some tiering (i.e. Partially
536 10/11 suggestion from the scope: CS-22, CS-LSA, CS-23 level 1 day VFR and Light
Sailplane Critical Parts the engine is required to run safe for 50 hours and that’s it simplified requirements for simpler aircraft). accepted
UAS.
Manufacturers basically…
Airbus propose to update the wording of EHPS.90 Critical Parts
- as follows (new proposed text shown in underlined italic
font):
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The critical rotating parts and rotor integrity requirements for gas
Loss of load is one failure condition leading to overspeed for
turbines are not applicable to electric or reciprocating (including
EHPS.90 Suggest these sections be revised as deemed appropriate by Not engine.
539 TCCA 13 Wankel) engines. Unlike a driven turbine stage, if a piston or
EHPS.240 EASA. accepted But a rotor burst could be the result of an engine overspeed due
electrical engines suffers a sudden loss of load its rotor will not
to control system malfunction or a production defect.
accelerate indefinitely until burst.
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Q1. Has EASA considered the use of SAE ARP4754 when drafting
this Special Condition? If yes, where can be the guidance be found? ARP4754 could be used pending the intended aircraft application.
545 TCCA General Suggest to clarify intent, if applicable Noted
SAE ARP4754 may be applicable to all other types of aircraft not Specific guidance will be provided in the Means of Compliance.
just CS-25.
There is another SC being drafted by another Authority on a similar It is the intention of EASA to promote harmonization.
topic, hence this SC should be harmonized with the other Authority. However, EASA is not aware of another SC begin drafted by an
546 TCCA General This will make future regulations on this new technology be more Harmonized SC between the certifying authorities. Noted authority that adresses hybrid systems or even complete
acceptable worldwide and will aid in a level playing field for all propulsion systems. The only other Special Condition known to
concerned. EASA that is currently drafted addresses a single electric engine.
It should be clarified that this SC can be used for: For the time being, EASA is willing to offer flexibility in order to
Airbus Identification of - Propulsion system Type Certification, or Partially enable innovation.
549 1 Add clarification Yes No
Helicopters Issue - Propulsion system certification requirements in the frame of accepted A dedicated Certification Memoradum to Part 21 will provide
aircraft Type Certifiction. guidance regarding the ways to certify an EHPS.
Within the mail of Mr. Rossotto dated 16.6.2020 to the WEP group
of Ostiv SDP it was detailed that powered sailplanes are eligible for
Werner Scholz,
simpler requirements – just as CS-22 J / H requirements are less Clarify that Electric and / or Hybrid Propulsion Systems for The following intended aircraft applications have been removed
European Identification of Partially
551 1 extensive than those of CS-E or for larger propeller. Therefore, it powered sailplanes (and VLA) could be less extensive and/or suggestion from the scope: CS-22, CS-LSA, CS-23 level 1 day VFR and Light
Sailplane Issue accepted
should be included in the identification of the issue, that the specified in a simplified SC. UAS.
Manufacturers
requirements of SC E-19 could be replaced by less extensive
requirements for sailplanes (or VLA).
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SUBPART C –
557 Rolls-Royce SYSTEMS and 15 Typo: 'Equipements' should read 'Equipment'. Correct wording Yes No Accepted Corrected accordingly
EQUIPEMENTS
What about electrical failures such as Overvoltages, Overcurrents, Consider add missing substantiation requirements to cover
SUBPART D – Partially EHPS.490 covers the need.
558 Airbus DS 21 Sudden Step Load management, etc..? overvoltages, overcurrents, sudden step load management, Yes No
SUBSTANTIATION accepted Specific guidance will be provided in the means of compliance.
The listed requirements seem particular to combustion engines. etc..
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