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Fourth Series-Vol.

XXX No-1
CONTENTS Monday, July 21, 1969
(Fourth Series, Vol. XXX-8th Session, 1969) 30, 1891 (Saka)
Asadha
No.1, Monday, July 21, 1969/Asadha 30, 1891 (SAKA). COLUMJII!;
Resignation by Shri N. Sanjiva Reddy of office of Speaker 1
MemberSwom 3
Obituary References
Man's landing on the Moon 7
Oral Answers to Questions :

LOK SABHA
'Starred Questions Nos. I and 2
Written Answers to Questions :
Starred Questions Nos. 3 to 30
8-26

26-52.
DEBATES
Unstarred Questions Nos. I to 4, 6 to 106, 108 to liS, 117 to 124,
126 to 158 and 160 to 200 53-228
Corrections of Answers to USQ Nos. 1505 dated 3rd March, 1969
and 1040 dated 1st November, 1968 228-30
Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance
Withdrawal of Indian Military Mission and Indian Wireless
Operators from Nepal 230-44
Papers Laid on the Table 244·56
Estimates Committee-
Seventy·ninth and Eighty-ninth Reports 256-57
Statement on Railway Accidents
Dr. Ram Subhag Singh 257-64
Statement re Nationalisation of Banks 264
Shrimati Indira Gandhi 275-89
Statements re resignation of the Deputy Prime Minister 280-83
Shri Morarji Desai 280-84
Shrimati Indira Gandhi 285-87
Enlargement of the Appellate (Criminal) Jurisdiction of the
Supreme Court BiII-
Extension of time for presentation of Report of Select Committee
Bills Introduced-
(i) 'Oil fields (Regulation and Development) Amendment Bill 287-89
(ii) Salaries and Allowances of Members of Parliament
(Amendment) Bill 289-304
Statutory resolution re: Indian Railways (Amendment) Ordinance
and Indian Railways (Second AmendmeDt) Bill 303
Shri S. S. Kothari 303-10
Motion to Consider 310
Dr. Ram Subhag Singh 310-14
Shri J. Mohamed Imam 314-17
Shri Randhir Singh 318-24
Shri J. M. Biswas
Shri K. N. Tiwary
(Eighth Session) 324-28
329-30
Shri Suraj Bhan 330-33
Shri D. N. Tiwary 333-38
Shri B. P. MandaI 338-40
Shri Tulshidas Jadhav 341-45

Shri Sonavane
(Vol. XXX contain No.1-10)
Shri Mohammad Ismail 345-48
349-51
Shri George Fernandes 351-56
Shrimati lIa Palchoudhuri 356-59
Shri B. K. Daschowdhury 359-62
Shri Nathu Ram Ahirwar 362-65
Shri Hukam Chand Kachwai 366
'The sign + LOK SABHA SCRETARIAT
marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question was
actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member.
NEW DELHI
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CONTENTS
(Fourth Series, Vol. XXX-8th Session, 1969)
No.1, Monday, July 21, 1969/Asadha 30, 1891 (SAKA). COLUMJII!;
Resignation by Shri N. Sanjiva Reddy of office of Speaker 1
MemberSwom 3
Obituary References
Man's landing on the Moon 7
Oral Answers to Questions :
'Starred Questions Nos. I and 2 8-26
Written Answers to Questions :
Starred Questions Nos. 3 to 30 26-52.
Unstarred Questions Nos. I to 4, 6 to 106, 108 to liS, 117 to 124,
126 to 158 and 160 to 200 53-228
Corrections of Answers to USQ Nos. 1505 dated 3rd March, 1969
and 1040 dated 1st November, 1968 228-30
Calling Attention to Matter of Urgent Public Importance
Withdrawal of Indian Military Mission and Indian Wireless
Operators from Nepal 230-44
Papers Laid on the Table 244·56
Estimates Committee-
Seventy·ninth and Eighty-ninth Reports 256-57
Statement on Railway Accidents
Dr. Ram Subhag Singh 257-64
Statement re Nationalisation of Banks 264
Shrimati Indira Gandhi 275-89
Statements re resignation of the Deputy Prime Minister 280-83
Shri Morarji Desai 280-84
Shrimati Indira Gandhi 285-87
Enlargement of the Appellate (Criminal) Jurisdiction of the
Supreme Court BiII-
Extension of time for presentation of Report of Select Committee
Bills Introduced-
(i) 'Oil fields (Regulation and Development) Amendment Bill 287-89
(ii) Salaries and Allowances of Members of Parliament
(Amendment) Bill 289-304
Statutory resolution re: Indian Railways (Amendment) Ordinance
and Indian Railways (Second AmendmeDt) Bill 303
Shri S. S. Kothari 303-10
Motion to Consider 310
Dr. Ram Subhag Singh 310-14
Shri J. Mohamed Imam 314-17
Shri Randhir Singh 318-24
Shri J. M. Biswas 324-28
Shri K. N. Tiwary 329-30
Shri Suraj Bhan 330-33
Shri D. N. Tiwary 333-38
Shri B. P. MandaI 338-40
Shri Tulshidas Jadhav 341-45
Shri Mohammad Ismail 345-48
Shri Sonavane 349-51
Shri George Fernandes 351-56
Shrimati lIa Palchoudhuri 356-59
Shri B. K. Daschowdhury 359-62
Shri Nathu Ram Ahirwar 362-65
Shri Hukam Chand Kachwai 366
'The sign + marked above the name of a Member indicates that the question was
actually asked on the floor of the House by that Member.
ALPHABETICAL LIST OF MEMBERS

FOURTH LOK SABHA

'A' Balatama Raju, Shri "'tla (Naraspur).


Banerjee, Shri S. M. (Ianpur).
Abraham, Sbri K. M, (Kattayam).
Bansh Narain Singh, Sbri (Mirzapur).
Acbal Singh, Shri (Agra).
Barrow, Shri A. E. T. (Nominated-Anglo-
Adichan, Shri P. C. (Adoor). Indians).
Aga, Syed Ahmad (Baramulla). Barua, Shri Beda"rata (KaIiabor).
Agadi, Sbri S. A. (Koppal). Barua, Shri Hem (Mangaldai).
Ahirwar, Shri Nathu Ram (Tibmgarh). Barua, Shri Rajendraoath (lorbat).
Ahmad, Dr. I. (Giridih). Barupal, Shri P. L. (Ganganagar).
Ahmed, Shri F. A. (Barpela). Basi, Sbri Sohao Siogh (Ferozepur).
Ahmed, Shri Jahan Uddin (Dhubri). BaIU, Shri lyotinnoy (Diamond Harbour).
Amat, Shri Debananda (Sundargarb). Basu, Dr. Maitreyee (Darjeeliog).
Amin, Prof. R. K. (Dbandhuka). Basumatari, Shri (Kokrajbar).
Amin, Shri Ramchandra J. (Mehsana). Baswant, Shri Sonubhau (Bbiwandi).
Anbazhagan, Shri K. (Tiruchengode). Dehera, Shri Baidhar (laipur).
Anbuchczhiyan, Shri N, (Dindigul). Berwa, Shri Oobr Lal (Kola).
Anirudhan, Shri K. (Chirayinkil). Basra, Shri Satya Charan (Dumb).
Anjanappa, Sbri B. (Nellore). Bbadoria, Shrl Arjuo Singh (Etawah).
Ankineedu, Shri Maganli (Gudivada). Bhagaban Das, Shri (Ausgram).
Anthony, Shri Frank (Nominated-Anglo- Bbagat, Shri Bali Ram (Sbahabad).
Indians).
Bhagavati, Sbri B, Tezpur),
Arumugham, Sbri R. S. (Tenkasi).
Bhakt Darsban, Sbri (Garwal).
Asghar Hussain, Shri K. M. (Akola).
Bbandare Shri R. D. (Bombay Central).
Atamdas, Shri (Motena).
Bhanu Prakash Singh, Sbri (Sidbi).
Awadesh Chandra Singb, Shri (Farrukhbad).
Bbargava, Shri Basbwesbwar Natb (Ajmer).
Ayarwal, Shri Ram Singh (Sagar).
Bharati, Shri Maharaj Siogh (Meerut),
Azad, Shri Bhagwal lha (Bhagalpur).
Bbattacharyya, Shri Cbapalakanta (Raiganj).
'B' Bhonsal.. Maharani Vijaymala Rajaram
Cbhatrapati (Hatkanangale).
Babu Nath Singh, Shri (Surgoja). Birla Shri Radha Krisban (lhwlihunu).
Badrudduja, Syed (Murshidabad). Birua, IIIri Kolai (Siogbhum).
Bajaj Shri Kamalnayan lamnalal (Wardha). Bist, Sbri lang Bahadur Siogh (Almora).
Bajpai, Shri Vidya Dbar (Amethi). Biswas Shri litendra Moban (Bankura).
Bakshi Gulam Mohammed, Shri (Srinagar). Bobra, Shri Onkarlal (Cbittorgarb).
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(ii)

Bose, Shri Amiya Nath (Arambagh). Dass, Shri C. (Tirupathi).


Brahm Perkash, Shri (Outer Delhi). Deb, Shri D. N. (Angol).
Brabmanand, Swami (Hamirpur). Deiveekan, Shri M. (Ka1lakurichi).
Brij Bhushan Lal, Shri (Bareilly), Delkar, Shri Sanjibhai Rupjibhai (Dadra and
Brijendra Singh, Maharaja (Bharatpur), Nagar Haveli).
Dco, Shri 1(. P. Singh (Dhenkanal).
Brijraj Singh-Kotah, Shri (Jhalawar).
Den, Shri Pratap Keshari (KaIahandt).
Burman, Shri Kirit Bikram Deb (Tripura
East). Dco, Shri Raj Raj Singh (Bolangir)
Buta Singh, Shri (Rupar). Denghare, Shri Narendra Ramchandraji
(Nagpur).
'C' Desai, Shri C. C. (Sabarkanta).
Desai, Shri Dinkar (Kanara).
Chakrapani Shri C. K. (Ponnani). Desai, Shri Morarji (Surat).
Chanda, Shri Anil Kumar (Bholpur). Desbmukh, Shri B. D. (Aurangabad).
Chanda, Shrimati Jyotsna (Cachar). Deshmukh, Shri K. G. (Amravati).
Chandra Sekhar Singh, Shri (Jehanahad). Deshmukh, Shri Shivajirao Shankar Rao
Chandrika Prasad, Shri (Bama). (Parbhani).
Chatterjee, Shri N. C. (Burdwan). Devendra, Vijaya Singh, Shri (Satna).
Chatterji, Shri Krishan Kumar (Howrah). Devgon, Shri Hardayal (East Delhi).
Chaturvedi, Shri Rohan Lal (Etah). Devinder Singh, Shri (Ludhiana).
Chaudhuri, Shri Tridib Kumar (Brehampore). Dhandapani, Shri C. T. (Dbarapuram).
Chaudhury, Shri Nitiraj Singh (Hoshanghad). Dhillon, Shri Gurdial Singh (Tarantaran).
Dhrangadhra, Sbri Sriraj Meghrajji (Surendra-
Chauhan, Shri Bharat Singh (Dhar).
nagar).
Chavan, Shri D. R. (Karad).
Dhuleshwar Meena, Shri (Udaipur"
Chavan, Sbri Yeshwantrao Balawantrao
Digvijai Nath, Mahant (Gorakbpur).
(Satara).
Digvijay Narain Singh, Shri (Muzaffarpur),
Chittybabu, Shri C. (Chingleput).
Dinesh Singh, Shri (pratapgarh) .
. Choudhary, Sbri Valmiki (Hlliipur).
Dipa, Shri Anirudha (Pbulbani).
Choudhury, Sbri J. K. (Tripura West).
Dixit, Shri Ganga Charan (Khandwa).
'D' Durairasu, Shri A. (Perambalur).
Dwivedi, Shri Nageshwar (Macbhlishahr).
Dalbir Singh, Shri (Sirsa). Dwivedy, Shri Surendranath (Kendra para).
Damani, Shri S. R. (Sholapur),
Dandeker, Shri Narayan (Jamnagar). 'E'
Dange, Shri Shripad Amrit (Bombay Cental
South). Ering Shri D. (North East Frontier Tract).
Dar, Shri Abdul Ghani (Gurgaon). Esthose, Shri P. P. (Muvattupuzha),
Das, Shri Nayan Tara (Jamui).
Dasappa, Shri Tulsidas H. (Mysore). 'F'

Daschowdhury, Shri Benoy Krishna (Cooch


Behar). Fernandes, Shri Gcorge (Bombay South).
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'G' Hem Raj, Shri (Kangara).


Himatsinglca, Shri Prabhu DayaJ (Godda).
Gajraj Singh Rao, Shri (Mahendragarh).
Gandhi, Shrimati Indira (Rae Bareli). 'I'
Ganesh, Shri K. R. (Andaman and Nico-
bar Islands). Iqbal Singh, Shri (Fazilka).
Ganga Devi, Shrimati (Mohanlalganj).
'J'
Gautam, Shri C. D. (Balaghat).
Gavit, Shri Tukaram Hurji (Nandurbar). Jadhav, Shri Tulshidas (Baramati).
Gayatri Devi, Shrimati (Jaipur). Jadhav, Shri V. N. (Jalna).
Ghosh, Shri Bimalkanti (Serampore). Jaggaiah, Shri K. (Ongole).
Ghosh, Shri Ganesh (Calcutta South). Jagjivan Ram, Shri (Sasaram).
Ghosh, Shri P. K. (Ranchi). Jai Singh, Shri (Hoshiarpur).
Ghosh, Shri Parimal (Ghatal). JaipaJ Singh, Shri (Khunti).
Girja Kumari, Shrimati (Shahdol). Jamir, Shri S. C. (Nagaland).
Girraj Saran Singh, Shri (Mathura). Jarnna Lal, Shri (Tonk),
Gopalan, Shri A. K. (Kasargod). Janardhanan, Shri C. (Trichur),
Goplan, Shri Pattiam (Tellicherry). Jena, Shri Dharni Dhar (Bhadrak).
Gopalan, Shrimati Suseela (Ambalapuzha). Jba, Shri Bhogendra (Jainagar).
Gounder, Shri R. Muthu (Tiruppattur). Jha, Shri Shiva Cbandra (Madhubani)
Govind Das, Dr. (Jabal pur). Jharkande Rai, Shri (Ghosi).
Gowd, Shri Y. Gadilingana (Kurnool). Jitendra Babadur Singh, Shri (Shahabad).
Gowda, Shri M. Huche (Chikmagalur). Joshi, Shri Jagannath Rao (BhopaJ).
Gowder, Shri M. K. Nanja (Nilgiris). Joshi, Shri S. M. (Poona).
Goyal, Shri Shri Chand (Chandigarh).
Gudadinni, Shri B. K. (Bijapur). 'K'
Guha, Prof. Samar (Contai).
Kabir, Shri Hurnayun (Basirhat).
Gupta, Shri Indrajit (Alipur).
Kachwai. Shri Hukam Chand (Uiiain).
Gupta, Shri Kanwar Lal (Delhi Sadar).
Kahandole, Shri Z. M. (Malegaon).
Gupta, Shri Lakhan Lal (Raipur).
Kalita, Sbri Dhireshwar (Gauhati).
Gupta, Shri Ram Krishan (Hissar).
Kamalanathan Shri M. (Krishnsgiri)
Kamaraj, Sbri K. (NagercoiJ).
'H' Kamble, Shri Tulsiram Dasrath (Latur).
Kameshwar Singh, Shri (Khagaria)
Hajarnawis, Shri R. M. (Chimur). Kamla Kumari, Kumari (Palamau).
Halder, Shri Kansari (Mathurapur). KandaP/ilan. Shri S. (Mettur).
Hanumanthaiya, Shri K. (Bangalore), Kapoor, Shri Lakhan Lal (Kishanganj).
Hari Krishna, Shri (Allahabad). Karan Singh, Dr. (Udhampur).
Hazarika, Shri Joginder Nath (Dihrugarh), Kami Singh, Dr. (Bikaner).
Hecrjibhai, Shri (Banswara). Kasture, Shri Arjun Shripat (Khamgaon).
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Katbam, Shri DimIdra Nath (Jalpaiauri). Lobo Prabhu, Shri J. M. (Udipi).


Lutfal Haque Haji (Jangipur).
Kavade, Shri Dhanudu Ramchandra (Nasik)
1CecIaria, Shri C. M. (Mandvi).
'M'
Kesri, Shri Sitaram (Katihar).
Khadilkar, Shri R. K. (Khed). Madhokl Shri Bal Raj (South Delhi).
Khan, Shri Ghayoor Ali (Kairana) Madbutaf, Shri Kamla Misra (Kesaria).
Khan, Shri H. Ajmal (Periakulam). Mahadew Prasad, Dr. (Maharajganj).
Khan, Shri Latafat Ali (Muzaft"arnagar) Mahadevappa Yashvantappa, Shri Rampur
Khan, Sbri Mushir Ahamad (Kasganj). (Gulbarga).
Khan, Nawabzada Zulfiquar Ali (Rampur). Mahajan, Shri Vikram Chand (Chamba).
Khanna, Sbri Prem Kishan (Shabjahanpur). Mahanij Singh, Sbri (Mainpuri).
Kikar Singh, Sbri (Bhatinda). Mahato, Shri Dhajahari (Purulia).
KiDder Lall, Shri (Hmol). Mahida, Shri Narendrasingh (Anand).
Kiruttinan, Shri Thandavar (Sivaganja). Mahishi, Dr. Sarojini (Dharwar North).
Kisku, Sbri Amiya Kumar (Jbargram). Majbi, Shri Mahendra (Mayurbhanj).
Kothari, Shri S. S. (Mandsaur). Malhotra, Shri lnder J. (Jammu).
Kotoki, Shri Liladhar (NOwgoDg). MandaI, Sbri D. P. (Madhipura).
Koushik, Shri K. M. (Chanda). Mandai, Dr. Pasbupati (Vishnupur).
Kripalani, Shri J. D, (Guna). Mandai, Shri Yamuna Prasad (Samastipur).
Kri~ani, Shrimati Sucheta (Gonda). Mane, Sbri Shankarrao Dattaraya
Krishna, Shri M. R. (Peddapalli). (Kolhapur).
Krishna, Shri S. M. (Mandya). Mangalathumadam, Shri G. P. (Mave-
Krishnamoorthi, Sbri V. (Cuddalore). likara).
Krishnan, Shri G. Y. (Kolar). Manobaran, Sbri K. (Madras North).
Krishnappa, Shri M. v. (Hoskote) Maran, Shri Murasoli (Madras South).
Kucbelar, Sbri G. (Vellore). Marandi, Sbri Ishwar (Rajmahal).
Kuudu, Sbri Samarendra (Balasore). Masani, Shri M. R. (Rajkot).
Klmte, Sbri D. K. (Kolaba). Master, Shri Dhola Nath (Alwar)
Kureel, Shri Baijnath (Ramsanchigbat). Masuriya Din, Shri, (Chail).
T<:u.hok Bakula, Sbri (Ladakh). Mayavan, Shri, V. (Cbidamharam).
Kushwah, Shri Yashwant Singh (Bhind). Meena, Shri Meetba Lal (Sawai
Madbopur).
'L' Meghachandra, Shri, M. (Inner Mani-
pur).
Lakkappa, Shri K. (Tumgur). Mebta, Sbri Ashoka (Bhandara).
Lakshmikanthamma, Shrimati T. (~). Mehta, Shri Prasannbhai (Bbavnagar).
Lalit Sen. Shrl (Mandl). Melkote, Dr. G. S. (Hyderabad).
Laskar, Shri Nihar RaDjan (Kari1ll8lD.i). Menon. Shri P. Govinda (Mukunda-
Laxmi Bai, Shrimati Sangam (Medak). puram).
Limaye, Shri Madhu (Monahyr). Menon, Shri V.K. Krishna (MidDapure).
(v)

Menon, SOO V. Vishwanatha (Erna- Naidn, Sbri N. P. Chenphaya (Chittoor).


kulam). Naik, Shri Guru Charan ~jhar).
Minimata Agam Dass Guru, Shrimati Naik, Shri Raja Venkatappa (Raicbur).
(Janjgir).
Nair, Shri N. Sreekantan (Quilon).
Mirza, Sl1ri Bakar Ali (Secunderabad).
Nair, Sbri P. K. Vasudevan (Peermade)
Mishra, Shri Bibhuti (Motihari).
Mishra, Shri G. S. (Chhindwara). Nambiar, Sbri K. ADanda (firuchira-
palli).
Misra, Shri Janeshwar (Phulpur).
Nanda, SOO Gulzari Lal (KaitbaI.).
Misra, Shri Shripati (Sultan pur).
Narayanan, Shri (Pollacbi).
Misra, Shri Srinibas (Cuttack).
Misra, Shri S. N. (Kannauj). Natb Pai, Shri (Rajapur).

Modok, Shri Bijoy (Hooghly). Nayanar, Shri E. K. (Palghat).

Mody, Shri Piloo (Godbra). Nayar, Sbri K. K. (Bahraicb).

Mohammed Imam, Shri J. C. (Chitra- Nayar, Sbrimati ShakuntaIa (Kaisarganj).


durga), Nayar, Dr. Sushila (Jbansi).
Mohammed Ismail, SOO (Barrack- Nihal Singb, SOO (Cbandauli).
pore).
Nirlep Kaur. Sardarni (Sangrur).
Mohammad Yusuf, Shri (Siwan).
Mohan Swarup, Shri (Pilibhit). '0'
Mohinder Kaur, Shrimati (Patiala).
Mohsin, Shri Fakruddin Huseinsab Oberoi, Soo M. S. (HazaribaBb).
(Dbarwar South). Oukar SinBh, Sbri (Budaun).
Molabu Prasad, Shri (BansgaOR). Oraon, Sbri Karlik (Lohardap).
MondaI, Shri Jugol (Uluberia).
'po
Mrityunjay Prasad, Shri (Maharaj-
ganj).
Padmavati Devi, Shrimati (Rajnandgaon).
Muhammed Ismail, SOO M. (Manjeri).
Pabadia, 8hri Jagannatb (Hindaun).
Muhammed Sheriff, Shri (R81D11D8-
thapuram). PaIchoudhuri, Shrimati Da (Krishnagar).

Mukerjee, Shri H.N. (Calcutta North Pandey, Shri Kashi Nath (Padrauna).
East). Pandey, Sbri Sarjoo (Ghazipur).
Mukerjee, Shrimati Sbarda (Ratna- Pandey, Shri Vishwa Nath (Salempur).
giri).
Panigrahi, Shri Chintamani (Bbohaneswar).
Mukne, Shri Yeshwantrao Martandrao Pant, Shri Krishna Chandra (NainitaI).
(Dahanu).
Paokai Haokip, Shri (Outer Manipur).
Mulla, Shri Anand Narain (Lucknow).
Parmar, SOO Bhaljibbai Ravjibhai
Murthy, Sbri B. S. (Amalapuram). (Dobad).
Murti, Shri M. S. (Anakapalli).
Parmar, Shri lla¥bBbhai (Patan).
Mutbusami, Sbri C. (Karur).
Partap Singh, Shri (Simla).
Parthasa'i-thy, P. C. (RQunpet).
'N'
Paswan, Shri Kedar (RoIera).
Naghnoor, M. N. Shri (Bolgaum). Patel, Shri Baburao (Shajapur).
Nahata, soo Amrit (Ba!::met). Patel, Soo 1•. 8. (ShiJDgpJ.
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tatel, Shri Mauibhai Jhaverbbai (Damob). Ramamurli, Shri p. (Madhurai).


Palel, Shri Mauubbai (Dabboi). Ramani, Sbri K. (Coimbalore).
plileI, Shri Nauubbai N. (BuIsar). Ramji Ram, Shri (Akbarpur).
Patel, Shri Pubabbai Cbbolabbai (Baroda). Ram Shekbar Prasad Siogb, Shri (Cbapra).
Patil, Shri Anantrao (Ahemadoagar). Rana, S~ri M. B. (Broach).
Patil, Sbri Cbudaman Anauda (Dbulia) Randbir S'ingh, Ch. (Robtak).
Patil. Shri Deorao Sbeoram (yeatmal). Raoe, Shri S. R. (Buldaua).
Patil, Shri Nana Ramchandra (Bbir). Ranga, Shri N. G. (Srikakulam).
Palil, Sbri S. B. (Bagalkol). Ranjeet Singh, Major (KbaliaJabad)
Palil, Sbri S. K. (Baoaskaolba). Ran, Shri J. B. MUlhyal (Nagarkumool).
Palil, Shri Sadasbiv Daji (Sangli). Rao, Shri J. Romapathi (Karimnagar).
Palil, Shri Tulsiram Abaji (Osmauabad). Rao, Shri J. Rameshwar (Mahbubnapr).
Patodia, Sbri Deoki Nandan (JaJore). Rao, Shri Japnath (Cbatarpur).
: Poonacha, Shri C. M. (Mangalore). Rao, Dr. K. L. (Vijaywada),
Pradbani, Sbri Kbagapalbi (Nowrangpur). Rao, Sbri Kari Narayana (Bobbili).
Pramanil<. Shri Jalindra Nalb (Balurghal). Rao, Sbri TbirumaJa (Kakioada).
Prasad, Sbri Y. Aokineedu (Machilipatnam). Rao, Dr. V. K. R. V. (Dellary).
Puri, Dr. Surya Prakash (Nawada). Rao, Shri Viswasrai Narasimba (Par-
vathipuram)
'Q' Raut, Shri Bhola (Bagah).
QureShi, Shri Mohammad Sbaft (Aoantnag). Ray, Shri Rabi (Puri).
Reddi, Sbri G. S. (Miryalguda).
'R' Reddy, Sbri M_ N, (Nizamabad).
Reddy, Sbri Neelam Sanjiva (Hiodupur).
Radbabai, Shrimati B. (BhadrachaJam).
Reddy, Sbri P. Aotony (ADBotapur).
Raghu Ramaiah, Shri Kotha (Guntur).
Reddy, Sbri P. Ganga (Adilabad).
Raj Deo Singh, Shri (Jaunpur).
Rajaram, Shri K. (Salem).
Reddy. Sbrimati Sudba V. (Madbugiri) I
Rajashekbaran, Shri M.V. (KBDakapur). Reddy, Sbri R. Surendar (Warangal).
Reddy, Shri R. Dasaratha llama (Kavali).
Rajani Devi. Shrimati (Raigarh).
Reddy, Shri Y. Eswara (Cuddapah).
Raju, Dr. D. S. (Rajahmundry)_
Rajya Lakahmi, Shrimati Lalita (Dhanbad), Robatgi, Shrimati Sbusbila (Bilbaur).
Roy, Sbri Bishwauath (Deoria).
Ram Cbaran, Shri (Kburja).
Roy, Sbri Chittaraujan (Joynagar).
Ram Dban Shri (LaIpnj)
RoY, Shrimati Uma (MaIda).
Ram Dbani Das, Shri (Gaya).
Ram Sewak Cbaudhri (Jalaun),
Ram Subhag Sioah, Dr. (BWW). "S'
Ram Swarup, Shri (Rohertsganj).
Saboo, Sbri S. G. (Sikar).
Ram, Shri Tulamoban (Araria).
Ramabaclran, Shri T. D. (Tindivanam). Sadbu Ram, Sbri (pbillaur).

Ramamoorthy, Shri S •.1'. (Sivakasi). Saba, Dr. Sisir Kumar (Birbbum).


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Saigal, Shri A. S. (Bilaspur). Shambhu Nath, Shri (Saidpur).


Sait, Shri Bbrahim Sulaiman (Kozhikhocle). Shankaranand, Shri B. (chikodi).
Saleem, Shri Mohammad Yunus (NaI- Sharda Nand, Shri (Sitapur).
anodal. Sharma, Shri Beni Shankar (Bank.).
Salve, Shri Narendra Kumar P. (Betul). Sharma, Shri Diwan Chand (Gurdaspur).
Samanta, Shri Satis Chandra (famluk). Sharma, Shri Madhoram (Kamal).
Sambandhan. Shri S. K. (Tiruttani). Sharma, Shri Namn Swaroop (Dams-
Sambasivam, Shri V. (Nagapattinam). riagauj).
Sambhali, Maulana Ishaq (Amroha). Sharma, Shri Naval KIshore (DaDIR).
Saminathan, Shri P. A. (Gobichetti- Sharma, Shri Ram Avtar (GwaJior).
palayam). Sharma, Shri Shiv (Vidisha).
Saoghi, Shri N. K. (Jodhpur). Sharma, Shri YajOB Dati (Amritaar).
Sankata Prasad, Dr. (Misrikh). Sharma, Shri Yogeudra (1Ieguaarai).
Sant BUll Singh, Shri (Fatehpur). Shashi Bhushan, Shri (Kharanne).
Santosham, Dr. M. (firuchendur). Shashi Rajan, Shri (Pupri).
Sapre, Shrimati Tara (Bombay North Bast) Shastri, Shri Biswanarayan (Lakhimpur).
Sarma Shri Ananta Tripathi (Bbanjn8lBJ'). Shastri, Shri Prakash Vir (Hapur).
Satya Narain Singh, Shri (Varanasi). Shastri, Shri Raghuvir Sinlh (Ballhpat).
Savitri Shyam, Shrimati (Aonla). Shastri, Shri Ramavtar (Patna).
Sayeed, Shri P. M. (Laccadive, Minicoy and Shastri, Shri Ramanand (Bijuor).
Amindivi Islands).
Shastri, Shri Sheapujan (Bikramganj).
Sayyadali Samadali, Shri (Jalgaon).
Shastri, Shri Shiv Kumar (Aligarh).
Sen, Shri Ashoke Kumar (Calcutta North
Shea Narain, Shri (Duti).
West).
Shar Sinllh, Prof. (Jhajjar).
Sen, Shri Deven (Asansol).
Sbeth, Shri Tulsidas Muljibhai (Kutch).
Sen, Shri Dwaipayan (Kalwa).
Shinde, Shri Annasahib P. (Koparpon).
Sen, Shri Phani Gopal (Purnca).
Shinkre, Shri Janardan Japunath (Panjim).
Seo, Dr. Ranen (Barasat).
Shiva Chandika Prasad, Shri (Jamshcdpur).
Sequeira Shrl Brasmo de (Marmangna).
Sbiv Charan LaI, Sbri (Firozabad).
Sethi, Shri Prakash Chandra B. (Indore).
Shivappa, Shri N\l8llCSbally (Hassan).
Sethuraman, Shri N. (Pondichcrry).
Shukla Shri Shambhu Nath (Rewa).
Sczhiyan, Shri Bra (Kumb¥onam)
Sbukla, Shri Vidya Charan (Mahasamuud).
Shah, Shrimati Jayahen (AmreU),
Siddayya, Shri S. M. (ChamarajalJ!lllll')'
Shah, Maharaja Manahendra (fehri.
Siddbesbwar Prasad, Shri (Nalanda).
Garhwal).
Sinha, Sbri Mudrika (Aurangabad).
Shah, Shri Shantilal (Bombay North west).
Sinha, Shri Ram Krishna (Faizabad).
Shah, Shri Trilokshah LaI Priendra
(Kanker). Sinha, shri Satya Narayan (Darbhanp).
Shah, Shri Virendrakumar J. (Junagadh). Sinha, Shrimati Tarkeshwari (Barb).
Shalwale, Shri Ram Gopal (Chandni Sivasankaran, Shri P. (Sriperumbudur).
Chowk). Snatak, Shri Nar Dca (Hathras).
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ioIauki, Shri PraviDsingbji NataWJlinhji Tula Ram. Shri (Ghatampur).


(Kaira). Tylllli. Shri Om Prakash (Moradabad).
Solauki, Shri Somchaudbhai Mauubhai
(Glindbinapr). 'U'
Somaoi, Shri Ned Kumar (Napur).
Uikey. Smi .M. G. (Mandla).
Somasundaram, Smi S. D. (Thaojawr). Ulaka. ShrI Kamchandra (Koraput).
Sonar, Dr. Amrit Gaupat (Ramtek). UmBDath. Shri R. (Pudukkottai).
Sonavane, Shri Tayappa Bar! (Pan-
dharpur). 'V'
Sandhi Shri M. L. (New Delhi).
Vajpayee. Shri Atal Bihari (Balrampur).
Sreedharan, Shri ArBDgiI (Badapra). Veerappa. Shri Ramchandra (Bidar).
Subravelu, Shri K. (Mayuram). Venkatasubbaiah, Shri P. (Nandyal).
Sudarsanam, Shri Maddi (Narsaraopet). Venkatawamy, Sbri G. (Siddipet).
Sundar Lal, Shri Jhadu (Bastar). Verma, Shri BalgoYind (Kheri).
Sundar Lal. Shri (Saharaupur). Verma. Sbri Prem Chand (Bamirpur).
Supakar, Smi Sradhakar (Samba/pur). Vidyarthi. Smi R. S. (Karol Bagh).
Suraj Bhan, Shri (Ambala). Vijay Raje. Shrimati (Chatra).
Surendra Pal Singh. Shri (BulaDdshahr). Virbhadra Singh, Shri (Mahasu).
Suningh. Shri (Jhabua). Viswambharan. Shri P. (TriYandrum).
Suryanarayana, Shri Kommareddi (BIuru). Vishwanatham, Shri Tenneli (Visakhapatnam).
SwataD Singh, Shri (Jullundur). ' Viswanathan, Shri G. (Wandiwam).
Swell. Shri G. G. (Autonomous Districts). Vyas. Shri Ramcsh Chandra (Bhilwara).

'X'
'T'
Xavier. Shri S. (Tiruneiveli).
Tamasitar. Shri V. Y. (Dura).
Tapuriah. Shri Surendra Kumar (pali).
'Y'
Taroclekar. Sbri Venlcatrao (Nauded) Yadab. Shri Naaendra Prasad (Sitamarhi).
Thakur. Shri Gunanand (S8barsa). Yadav. Shri Cbandrajeet (Azamgarh).
Thakur. Shri P. R. (Nabadwip). Yaday. Sbri Jqesbwar (Banda).
Tiwary. Pandit D. N. (Gopalpnj). Yaday. Sbri Ram Sewak (Barabanki).
Tiwary. Shri Kamal Nath (Bettiab). Yajnik, Sbri IndulaI (Ahmedabad).
Tripathi. Shri Krislma Dca (Unnao). Yashpal Singb. Sbri (Debra Dun).
LOK SABRA

The Speaker
[Vacant]

The Dquty Speaker

Sbri R. K. Kbadilkar

PaMl 0/ ella/nne"
Shri Y. Gadilingana Goud

Sbri P. K. VasudeYan Nair

Sbri M. B. RaIla

Sbri S. R. Rane

Shri Prakash Vir Shastri

Sbri K. N. Tiwary

Secretary

Sbri S. L. Sbakdher

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GOVERNMENT OF INDIA

The Prime Minister. Minister of Finance, Ministar of Atomic Enersy and Minister
of PJannilll-Sbrimati Indira Gandhi.
The Minister of Industrial Development, Internal Trade and Company Affairs-Sbri
F. A. Ahmed.
The Minister of Foreign Trade and Supply-Shri B. R. Bhapt.
The Minister of Home Affairs-Shri Y. B. Cbavan.
The Minister of External Affairs-Sbri Dinesh Silllh.
The Minister of Labour and Rehabilitation-Sbri Hathi.
The Minister of Food and Agriculturc-Shri Iagjiwan Ram.
The Minister of Tourism and Civil Aviation-Dr. Karan Singh.
The Minister of Law and Social Welfare-Shri Govinda Menon.
The Minister of Steel and Heavy Engineering-Sbri C. M. Poonacha.
The Minister of Railways-Dr. Ram Subbag Singh.
The Minister of Education and Youth Services-Dr. V. K. R. V. Rao.
The Minister "f Petroleum and Chemicals and Mines and Metals-Dr. Triguna Sen.
The Minister of Health and Family Plannings and Works, Housin. and Urban
Deve\opment-Shri K. K. Shah.
The Minister of Information and Broadcasting, and Communications-Shri Satya
Narayan Sinha.
The Minister of Defencc-Shri Swaran Singh.

Ministers of State

The Minister of State in the Ministry of Labour, Employment and Rebabilitation-


Sbri Bhagwat Jha Azad.
The Minister of State in the Ministry of Education and Youth Services-Sbri Bhakt
Darsban.
The Minister of State in the Ministry of Health and Family Planning and Works,
Housing and Urban Development-Dr. S. Chandrasckbar.
The Minister of State in the Ministry of Petroleum and Chemicals and Mines and
Metals-Sbri D. R. Cbavan.
The Minister of State in the Ministry of Railways-Sbri Parimal Ghosh.
The Minister of State in the Ministry of Law and in the Department of Social
Welfare-Dr. (Shrimati) Phulrenu Guba.
The Minister of State in the Ministry of Infomiation and Broadcastilll, and
in the Department of Communications-Shri I. K. Gujral.
The Minister of State in the Ministry of Food. Agriculture, Community Development
and Cooperation-Sbri M. S. Gurupadaswamy.
The Minister of State in the Ministry of Defencc-Shri L. N. Mishra.
The Minister of State in the Ministry of Health and Family Plannings and Works,
Housilll and Urban Development-Shri B. S. Murthy.
The Minister of State in the Ministry of Steel and Heavy Engineering--Shri K. C.
Pant.
The Minister of Parliame'ltary Affairs, and Shippilll and Transport-Shri Ragbu
Ramaiah.
The Minister of State in the Ministry of Petroleum and Chemicals and Mines and
MetaIs--sbri Iaganath Rao.

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The Minister of Irrigation and Power-Dr. K. L. Rao.
The Minister of State in tbe Ministry of Industrial Development, Internal Trade and
Company Affairs-Sbri Raghunatba Reddy.
The Minister of State in tbe Ministry of Financ:e-Sbri P. C. Sethi.
The Mini,ter of State in the Ministry of InCormation and Broadcasting and in tbe
Department of Communicatioo&-Sbri Sber Singh.
The Minister of State in the Ministry of Food, Agriculture, Community Development
and Cooperation-Shri Annasabeb Sbinde.
The Minister of State in the Ministry of Home Affairs-5hri vidya Charan Shukla.

Deputy Mialsters

The Deputy Minister in tbe Ministry of Education and Youth Services--Shri Bhakt
Darshan.
The Deputy Minister in the Ministry of Industrial Development, Internal Trade and
Company Affairs-Sbri Bhanu Prakash Singh.
Tbe Deputy Minister in tbe Ministry of Railway&-Shri R. L. Chaturvedi.
The Deputy Minister in tbe Ministry of Food, AJric:ulture, Community Development
and Cooperation-Shri D. Ering.
The Deputy Minister in the Department of Parliamentary Affairs and in the Ministry
of Sbipping & Transport-Shri Iqbal Singh.
The Deputy Minister in tbe Ministry of Education and Youth ServiC:CS-Sbrimati
Jabanara Jaipal Singh.
The Deputy Minister in tbe Ministry of Labour, Employment and Rehabilitation-Shri
S. C. Jamir.
The Deputy Minister in the Ministry of Defenc:e-Shri M. R. Krishna.
The Deputy Minister in the Ministry of Tourism & Civil Aviation-Dr. Sarojini
Mahisbi.
The Deputy Minister in the Ministry of Finaru:e-Shri Jagannath Pahadia.
Tbe Deputy Minister in the Ministry of Steel and Heavy Engineering-5hri Mohd.
Sbafi Qureshi.
The Deputy Minister in the Ministry of Foreign Trade and Supply-Shri Cbowdhary
Ram Sewak.
The Deputy Minister in . tbe Ministry of Home Afl"ain-Shri K. S. Ramaswamy.
The Deputy Minister in the Ministry of Law and in the Department of Social Welfare
-Shri Muthyal Rao.
Tbe Deputy Minister in the Minitsry of Law and in the Department of Social
Wclfare-Shri M. Yunus Saleem.
Tbe Deputy Minister-Shrimati Nandini Satpathy.
The Deputy Ministel" in the Ministry of Irrig.~tion and Power-Sbri Siddhesbwar
Prasad.
The Deputy Minister in the Ministry of External Afl"aira-Shri Surendra Pal Sinab.

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LOK SABHA DEBATES

Fint day of the Eighth Session of the Fonrtb Lot Sabba

2
LOK SABHA ~ I ~ ~iT lJ&I' ~ ~~, am ~
Mnnday, July 21, 1969/Asadha 30, 1891 it~" I~~~'IIT'PI"~I
(SAKA) ~lf@';nf~ I

The £ok Sabha mel al Eleven of


MR. DEPUTY - SPEAKER: Please
the Clock resume your seat and listen to me. So far as
reference to moon-landing is concerned, it is
[MR. DEPUTy-SPEAKER in the Chair] coming up and I would request hon.
Members to wait for a few minutes.
RESIGNATION BY SHRI N. SANJIVA
REDDY OF OFFICE OF SPEAKER SHRI M. L. SONDHI: Sir, the Mem-
bers of Indian Parliament have always stood
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I have to for the great achievements of IIIBIIkind.
inform the House ..... .
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I have to '
SHRI M. L. SONDHI (New Delhi) : inform the House that Shri N. Sanjiva
Sir, man has landed on the moon. That is Reddy has resigned the office of the
the first thing to be taken up. It is a historic Speaker of Lok Sabha on the 19th July, 1969
occasion. A day will come when you may at S P. M.
also aspire to go to the moon.
..niIPiq;~: ~'IiT'PI"~~
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: It will come
~I~~~I
in due course.
SHRI S. M. BANERJEE - (KaDpur):
~. ;mi ~ (~ ~): Sorry. Sorry.
~, arr;;r 'liT ~ ar"fU ~ I
..rr .mm ~ ~ it ~ ~
arr;;r ~~~(~):~iIi~
ozmvn 'liT 5Nif ~ I arr;;r iii ~~ it 'IiT1I"~;rr~ I
l~~iIi~~'IiT~rilflli~~I' MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: It is a one
~~m~ ~T~~am: ~l!iT line letter. The letter is like this:
arr'l~ <fTilfiJ" ~ ~~~~
arT'l'IiT ~ q;;;f ~ ~ rit> arT'l :;;riIi ~
The Deputy-Speaker,
l!iTm ~~iIi m"If.\"<m~1 ~ Lok Sabha, New Delhi•.
~ 'IlrIT iii mr ~ qit ~ f I
Sir,
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Will you "I hereby resign the office of the Speaka-
please listen to me? I am going to make a of Lok SaIIha."
reference to it.

..Jit ami
~: mmr
If@', 'PI"
Yours faithfully,
Sd/- N. Sanjiva Reddy
'lif ~ ~~ I arT'l ~ Qlf<14lii4'l ~ S P.M. 19-7-1969."
3 ObilUDry Re'ereru:es JULY 21. 1969 ObilUDry Re'"rmc"s 4

~ "1 fioI1Iit
(~) : ~ smmr iliT last met? You have mentioned their names-
• !fin pIT? if.\" ~ iliT ;ftmr rorr t I Dr. Gopalrao Bajirao Kbedkar and Shri

~ iii ilRn ~ iii m it iI7rr.f ~ I


N. Ramaseshaiah.

Dr. Khedkar was an old soldier in our


MEMBER SWORN/ strullie for freedom havinl courted the
first imprisonment in the early thirties. He
remained throughout a prominent and distin-
SHRI SHRIPATI MISRA (Sultanpur,
guished leader from bis part of the country
Uttar Pradesh)
and had to bis credit a IODI record of public
service. He served as a Member of tbe
SHRI NATH PAl (Rajapur): A tradi- Legislative Assembly of Madhya Pradesh at
tion was beiDg established by your prede- the time of independence and was Member
cessor. I mean our distinguished previous of the First and Second Lok Sabha. Although
Speaker. tbat every new Member was to be ~tia1IY a political worker, Dr. Khedkar's
introduced properly. Have we discontinued field of interest was wide and varied. He
Ibis tradition ? was a journalist and he was interested in the
cause of education. He worked for the
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: That is all uplift of our villagers. In his deatb we have
right. lost an old and valued colleague.

OBlTIJAR Y REFERENCES Sbri Ramaseshaiah was an independent


Member of the First Lok Sabba. He was
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I have to a prominent public figure of Tamiloadu. We
Inform the House of the sad demise of two mourn the death of these two distinguisbed
of our friends. namely. Dr. Gopalrao colleagues and I would request you, Sir, to
~irao Kheclkar and Sbri N. Ramaseshaiah. convey to the bereaved families our sincere
condolences.
Dr. Gopalrao Bejirao Kheclkar was a
Member of First and Second Lok Sabha SHRI RANGA (Srikakulam): Mr.
during the years 1952~. At the time of his Deputy-Speaker, Sir, I am extremely sorry
death he was Minister for Rural Development that these two distinguished public workers
in the Maharashtra Government. He passed have passed away. I associate myself with
away at Amravati On the 25 May, 1969 at what has been stated by you, Sir, and the
the aae of 69. Prime Minister.

Shri N. Ramaseshaiah was a Member I bave known Sbri R8masesbaiah since


of First Lok Sabha during the years 1952-57. 1927. He was a distinguisbed poet in
, At the time of his death he was Minister of Telugu and he belonged to Andhra and not
Health in the Orissa Government. He passed Tamil Nadu.
away at Bhubaneswa:r on the 31st May, 1969
at the • of 71. SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI:
am sorry, I meant Orissa.
We deeply mourn the loss of these
friends and I am sure the House will join me SHRI RANGA: He rose to prominence
in conveyiDg our condolences to the bereaved in Orissa. He was a member of this House.
families. He worked as an independent member and
also as a democrat under tbe leadership of
THE PRIME MINISTER. MINISTER Dr. Shyama Prasad Mookerji in that first
OF FINANCE, MINISTER OF ATOMIC democratic opposition party we had in this
ENERGY AND MINISTER OF PLAN- House from 1952 to 1957. He was a
NING (SHRIMATI INDIRA Gf-NDHI): member of the Ganatantra Parishad also.
Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir may I Join you in In that capacity he served the people of
expressiol my deep rearet that we should Orissa for more than ten years. Thereafter,
bqin this session mouming the death of two he joined our party, the Swatantra Party,
of our distioguished erstwhile colleagues in and rose to be the Minister of Health and
parliament who have pasSed away since we as a Minister for two years he distinlPlished
s Obituory Re/ereru:es ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) ObltllJll'Y Re/er~•• 6

himself for his amiability and bonhomie


relations with all those who came into
..rr
~ l!it ~ 611" f.Aiz ~ m ;;r;r •
contact with him. He was very well-known ~ 61"0~~~it;~ it ~
for his integrity and efficient administration. ~it;~it;~itoiA;~it; ~ If"{
He was one of our good writers in Telugu
and a good public worker who distinguished amrfur ~ I ~ "" <IIRT1i ~ it
himself in two States, Andhra as well as ~t~it;eT'feT'f ~ ~
Orissa. It is given to very few people it "liT~.nam:~it;~'til~
indeed to achieve that. Afterwards, he rose
to the position of a Minister of the Swatan- .rn- it ~ ~ 'IiT1I" fiI;lrr I ~ I!iN
tra Party in the coalition IIOvernment in 'lit ~~"liT~ ~If"{~ arq;rr~
Orissa. We bemoan his death on this
occasion. ~~itl

I happen to know Dr Khedkar also. He


it arq;ft am: ~,am- ~ 'lit am: ~
was one of our colleagucs in the freedom ..rr ~ am: 'lit ~ 'lit ~ If"{ m;
struggle. If I remember right he rose to SI"'R" ~ R"' am: ~ ~ SITfi;rr ~
the Presidcntship of the Provincial Congress
Committee. He was one of the champions of
~ fit; R;rfRl" ~ .n ~ sm;r ;R I
the Vidarbha cause. He was a kisan and a
friend of the kisans and it was befitting -iI" "d1f~ (~) : ~~,
that when eventually he rose to be a minis- ~~~ 61"0 ~;;ft .nit;;@'
ter he chose to be a minister of rural
;;n;rnT'IT I ~..rr ~o ~ ~ ;;ft
development. I miss his presence and I
am sure the whole House would join you, ;;itfiI; ar4T ;;it ~ 'liiim ~ ~
the Prime Minister and all of as in bemoan-
ing their loss and conveying our condolences
it ~ am
mit~~~it,~
to the members of their familics. eT'f~~~~~.rn-'tiT ~
f1r.rr t I ;;it "lit ~ ~ it arT\:! t ~
IIit amr.' ~ (~) :
~'Il~,~~i'f11;«lf<F~~
~it;~ 'R:
~~aT~nl\'IT~fit;~~ ~it I
am: ~ ~ 'R: "lit

~~ mf~ ... mftam-~ e"Ttft''Iit it arq;ft am: ~ am am- ~ 'lit am:


~ ~ 'R: ~ m; SI"'R" itiW ~ ~'lit~~am:'lit~~\iI"'lIl't
~1~~'R:'tiTliI1ftam:m~if'II" ~~ If"{ m; SI"'R" ~ R"' I
;;@' ~ ~ I ~ f.;r;r <F eT'f ~
'IiT1I" ~r ~, fi;r;r it; • it ~ ;ffl ~ -iI"~mn (~):~
aT'tt f.;r;r 'lit ~ ar4T "lit ~ ~ it ~,~it;~m~~
OT\iT t ~ ~ ~ ~fiIl¥~~ ~m ~""~If"{\iI")m;am: ~lIl't

~1IiT~~an;rr~~1 "IfICIllT SI"'R" "" ~~, it am- .n am: arq;ft


qr!f 'til ~ m; am: ~ it·~

..rr ~ 'til ~ f.f;g ~mtl ~'I


~ROT it; ~it ~ ~am: SHRI A. K. GOPALAN (ICaseraod):
~~, ~ <F ~ ~ i f.rIrivr Sir. on behalf of my party I associate myself
with the sentiments expressed here and I
it ~ if>f{~ ~ it; ~ ;;n;ft ~ requeat that·our condolences may be con-
;rnr ~ I ..rr ~ f,,~ it; ~ ;;rR ~ veyed to their familiea.
~ it am: ~ ~ ;;mrr it; \ifI;R it
SHRI SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY
~~~vfflil" ~;;mrr ~ ~ (Kendrapara): Sir, I fully associate myself
~~itl and my party with the sentiments expreased
7 Malt's Imrding on the moon lULY 21,1969 8

OD tbe demise of two of our elI<oJleagues. the Joung everywhere are inspired by their
Shri Ramasesbaiab was Dot only a member example. In this moment of achievement,
of the First Lok Sabha but at the time of our thoughts go out to the Government and
bis death was a minister in tbe present the people of the United States and, specially,
Orissa Cabinet. As an industrialist also he if I might say so, to the families of tbese
had made some contribution to the industrial courageous men. May we wish them a happy
development of Orissa. We are very sorry landing back home.
that we have lost sueb a person. I express
my condolences to the bereaved families and SHRI SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY
I hope that our condolences will be conveyed (Kendrapara) : May I 'suggest that the
to them. House gives a standing ovation to these brave
men for their achievement ?
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The House
may stand in silence for a short while to MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The whole
ellpreSs its sorrow. House joins and shares the sentiments ex-
pressed by the Leader of the House, the
The Members th~n stood in ';/~nce
Prime Minister, and we wish them safe lan-
for a short while. ding back home. As suggested, let us give
them a standing ovation for this achievement.

MAN'S LANDING ON THE MOON Tlte Members tlten stood up


and gave an ovation.
THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER
OF FINANCE, MINISTER OF ATO- 'liamr ~~ (~,):
MIC ENERGY AND MINISTER OF
~Ill~, iro ~ ~ fit; ~
ai<rfuf ~ ~ am: ~
PLANNING (SHRIMATI INDIRA
GANDHI): Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir, 'liT it ~
may I take a minute from our imme- m'l' m'l' ~ <m:<m <mil ~ ~ ~
diate national problems to share with the ~I
House my feeling of great excitement and
refer to a historic cosmic event which has MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: It will be
taken place today? Even though the recep- done; that will be conveyed.
tion on the radio was not too clear, I stayed
up till early hours of the morning to get the ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS
news of the landing on the moon. We are
now able to see our world in greater perspec- Reduetion in L.I.C. Premium Rates.
tive aod to discover new beauty in it. +
°1 DR. SUSHILA NAYAR:
On behalf of all Members of the House, SHRI RANJEET SINGH:
I offer my warmest congratulations to Astro- SHRI RAMGOPAL SHALWALE:
nauts Armstrong and Aldrin who have stepped SHRI JAGANNATH RAO 10SHI:
on the mOOD aod to Commander Collins SHRI BRU BHUSHAN LAL:
and also to the remarkable team df technolo- SHRI A. SHREEDHARAN:
gists and thousands of their co-workers who SHRI K. LAKKAPPA:
are behind them. SHRI HARDAYAL DEVGUN:
SHRI lAI SINGH:
This is surely the greatest and most SHRI YAJNA DATI SHARMA:
daring of scientific feats. It is a proud SHRI NAWAL KISHORESHARMA:
moment 'for the people of the United States SHRI YAMUNA PRASAD
and indeed for all mankind. MANDAL:

SHRI M. L. SONDHI tNew Delhi):


Will the Minister of FINANCE be plea-
sed to state:
Except China.
(a) whether an Expert Committee had
SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI: The recently sugested reduction in the premium
space travellers of the U.S.A. and the rates charged by the life Insurance Corpora-
U.S.S.R. ha\'e been beroes of our times, and tion on life policies;
9 O,al AlliIN's ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) O,alAlUWers 10

(b) if so, the details of the other recom- SHRI JAGANNATH PAHADIA: I
mendations made by the Committee in tbeir will ask them to take the decision as early as
report; and possible.

(e) tbe decisions taken by Government SHRI RANJIT SINGH: The Minister
thereon? himself claims to be a labour leader wbo sees
to the interests of members, but tbe very fact
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE that tbese reports bave been under considera-
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI JAGAN- tion for such a long time goes to sbow tbat
NATH PAHADIA1: (a) and (b). A Government always dilly-dallies where the
Committee of Actuaries was appointed by interests of the workers are to be paramount
tbe Corporation to ellBmine the premium and the interests of Government suffer. 10
rates in force. Tbeir report is under this case I would request the bon. Minister
consideration of tbe Corporation. to inform us wben tbe final action of the
Government would be taken on tbis and
The Administrative Reforms Commission wbetber be would set a deadline so that the
has recommended that "tbe Corporation officials start working according to the dead-
should endeavour to make its policies more line, instead of answering every time that
attractive by reducing tbe premium rates and they are still under consideration.
increasing the bonus."
SHRI JAGANNATH PAHADIA : It
is a complicated matter. Therefore, some
(c) No decision bas yet been taken. time is taken .
. DR. SUSHILA. NAYAR: I could not
bear tbe last part of the answer. I will ask SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK: Is it a
a supplementary and ask him to repeat that reply? He may be a complicated man. The
also. Prime Minister may be a complicated person.
Wby should the House be given such an
This report, if I remember right, was sub- answer?
mitted in the month of April. May I know
bow long it will take for the Government to ~ Uq" -mt"f ~ ;;ft1rr~
examine it? It is a very important point
that life insurance reaches the largest section
'liT p;>q ~ lITW:
~r iii ~'f if
of the people as we hoped when we nationa- 'IT I ar. \VI'lfiT ~~ it ;rqr &I it
lised it and its benefits reacb the small man ~ ;;w("ifT ~ ~ fili" ~ ~ \VI'lfiT ~
in terms of whom our Party and, I am sure,
tbe otber parties also want to tbink and want ~garr&, CN ~ W ~ if tm
to act. Tberefore, I would like to know from srl\ftr ~ &I ~ ~ ~ f.Alff anN
the bon' Deputy Minister bow soon they
are likely to take a decision and wbether tbey it ~aT &, tm '"'" ~r ;ft1rr fiffl1I' it 1ft"
arc likely to accept tbe, recommendatioQS lifTZT ~ w &? >;fil" ~!ft 'liT ~lT
and implement them? maT &. <:it m:<m:r ~. lilT ;i)1fT
lfi1"ff0flff iii ~ of.t ~ t. tRrar am:
~.rr'1l ~ ~If rn t am: amlI1ft iii
SHRI JAGANNATH PAHADIA: We
received the report in January, 1968. After
tbat, we were waiting for tbe report of tbe liI1'iI"«T it af.IiI; SAm: lI>'l' ~ ~ t I
Morarn Committee. (Interruption .. ) Now
'flIT m:<m: ~ 'Iif~ ~T ~ ifi'{ iii
botb tbe reports arc under the consideration
of the Corporation. ~<'ITtll~~~ ?

DR. SUSHILA NAYAR: The report ot


the Morarka Committee has been with the .~ ~" ~ : fiffl1I' tnt if
Government for several months. I would ~ ~ W &I W ;rrt it 1iIT-liIl fu'Iilllii
like to know bow soon this report will be
examined and some decision taken on it. ~~'amiTt,~ ~'R: ~
11 JULY 21. 1969 Oral AnslWtrs 12

;rmit t am:
~-iIiIW' it; ~ ~ America even casts and dogs' lives are insured
but in India even human beings are not
.~it~~lIftiiI"RiTt I respected and their lives are not secure and
their lives are not insured. As a Member
.n~~~: if.t~'lUT of Parliament even my life is not secure
tf.I; ifif ~ ;fI1rr 0Il'imlf 'liT (1-4I4if1(01 becaue of the policy of this GoverDJDent.
F t, QiI" ~ m l!4T JI11fu ~ t I 5IlWf
'Ibis is because we have not created economic
stability in this country and we have not
~~~~'fIT;;rcmr~1 created. enough employment. and we are
facing unemployment problem in this country.
We have not mobilised all the resources in
this country. Therefore. will the Government
of India and the hon. Prime Minister
answer this question caregorically ?
.n ~~~:~1If
~, ~ ~ 'fIT ~ ron- ~ I
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : The hon.
Member is absolutely irrelevant ...
Jr~;:r ~ ;;mil" ~ <111m ~ itif f.I;
SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: Will the

.
~~~tl(~) Government bring about economic stability
in the country and also insure the lives of
.n ~ ~: ifll(IIj~~I" lift the people in this country and also bring
fuli {{ ~ mtft ;;mft t ~if am: about a reduction in the insurance premia ? I
want an answer to my question.
JI11fuil;~~~q (I
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: NON. Shri
~ ~ ,"",",,: ~ Brij Bhushan Lal .

~,mr~ ""~r m 5IlWf SHRI SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY :


~ il'ifIA ~ it f<;m t I 'Il ~ ~ If you have disallowed the question it is a
different matter. But if you have allowed
'liT ;;mil" liIfT ~ ~ ( ? the question. Govenrment should reply to the
question.
sm;r ...1, f1ftr IP-ft, anJ..mr
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: If the hon.
'Plft CI'Q~ 'Plft (~ tf.ro
Minister does not find any substance in the
'I1i'ft) : ~ ~ ~;:r 'fIT ;;mil" ~ ~ question how can he reply ?
~ anit ~ am:
arar ~ ~;;miI" ~ it;
~ ~ 4Tni ~ I ;;lm f~ ~ tJ4T ann SHRI SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY:
Either you disallow the question as irrelevant.
t,~~~~~~ ~, ~ or else. if the question is allowed. it must
be replied to by Government and DOt by
~it~art~~~~ ~ you.
it ~ I
SHR!MATI INDIRA GANDHI: What
SHR! K. LAKKAPPA: In America. is the question? (Interruptions)
because nature is niJprdly. man is landing
on the moon. But in India the Congress The hon. Member has said that there
is at tbe crossroads. In other countries should be economic stability in the country.
even cats and dogs are insured. But the I think all sections of the House entirely
lives of the millions of people in India "have agree with him in this statement. That is
not been secured because of the bad policies also the endeavour of the Government.
followed by this Government. I 't'ould like
to know whether the Government of India
would constitute a committee to go into all
'" ~ ~.mit : tV amr ""
aspects of the lives of the people and see
~~ it;~ it~tJ4T 'lTf~ ~fll"-
that the lives of the people are secured. In lI1I"if~ ~ 'fIT ~ ~ it;
13 Oral AlUwers ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Oral AnllWers 14

f..... I(ltO'I ~ I 'd'~ liIN 1If ail'< 'l'f IJm titit~~~;;rr;m~ ~flI;
'1ft ~ 'lil'f ail'< anr ~ ~it; iIIlfu'< ~~ f~ t nmt f.Ii ilT'T.
it an 'lil't lit ~ ;;rTiA'r ~oT ~ f.Ii ~ m ....,. m t \\Ai'lfit«!.."l
ifill 'I"@ff i!1t ~if ~ it; ~ ~ flffi< ~ 'Ii"< it; ail'< mrif ~ arrqftr
rn it w-rr ~ ~m ~ I ~ ~~ 1R:');rl il1'T'!1t ;rt\' ~) ~ ~, tit ~'!it ~fu
'!it ~i{if ~ it; ~~ it~, iI!lin1 i!1t ~r I rnit;~~~1fIll ~~t?
ifill ~lf m-<rr< ~ m it ~ ~ ~ ? lJ"~~~ttitW;rt\'~ ?
anftr<~~ OR if'Ii f..... I <IEl1'1 ~m ?
SHRI P. C. SETHI: The Morarka
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Committee report was submitted very rece-
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C. ntly. and tbis subject forms part of that
SETHI) : As far as the reduction of premium report. They have gone into the expense
rates is conccrnecl, it is related to three impor- aspect of it. But immediate reduction of
tant facton; one is the mortality factor; the the staft" is a big problem and it may create
other is the interest which the LIC earns complications. Therefore. all aspects of tbe
and the third is tbe expense ratio. From this problem will bave to be gone into.
point of view, wben tbis report was submitted.
L. I. C. was awaiting the Morarka Com-
mittcc's reports wbicb was specially going into .n ~ ~ : iIf'lIm ~. it
the question of ci:pcnsc ratio. Now. tbat the ~;;j'Tif'1'f ~ ~, ~trr-T ~ ail'< 6""(lm
Morarka Committcc's report has come, and lI>'t tm;~ ~m 1f{~'llJ"T~f'li~
the LIC board is going into all these aspects
along witb this report also. and we would aj6(2f""ij 'tiT $ iI>cr.r'1"'JiT ifi1Il'1T tt
ask them to expedite the examination as '1&1 ;;r;mr '!it ~ w~, tit ~ rlisz ~
early as possible.
~ ani 61 '!it \'IT1T '1ft pi" t ail'< w 'tiT
.n~ WT\'T: ~ ~, 0lJ"T'IT( '1ft ~ ~ 6'IT ""'" 'lit arI1! '1ft ~
~ 'IiiIi\" ~ ~~ f~ 'lit 'Ii t tit ~ 01l1lf iffiff '!it SIl1iI" it ~
t'd"1if ~ t:t'Ii ~ ~ f.Ii 25 'I"W: mq; ~ ifill ~ .'1" it ~ armT~ ~ it;
~fu;r mq; ~ ~ I 1967-68 ~ arI'f ~ t f.Ii;;ftq.r ;ftlrr lI>'t ~ anr
'!WI" lI>'t;;mt<ft Ifll'ff.!; (1"4l4ifi<G1 it; 'Il~
it23~~ij"~mq;'Iit~ ~I
25 'I"W: it; ~ ~ 6 ~ U1<'T 'tiT ;;IT ~ .ry ~ anr 'Ift:;r.r ~ t tit "<l1$T-
ifi"(1If i ;;r;mr '!it ill< ~ '!it ifill \'IT1T t,
~~W~I~1~ ~ t f'li 50
'I"W: 'IiT1'i ~ ~;;IT ffi arrmt;;r ~~ ~tl ~ij" i.rt<rT '!it ~
'!it;;ffil" f ~ ,;'1<Cf.\idjij tl ~ ~ f1r.!;ft oqrf~ ail'< ~ ~ "" SIl1iI" it
~ 40 ~iz 'fiTlt ~~ ;;r) ~ m ~ fmrto ~ it ~ ~ 'Iilf ott ;;rr~,
anflI;ft ail'< m... anftfiR '!it ;;rm t ~ f.Iia;ft Ifill' ~ ~ arI'f ~ it 0lJ" 'Ii"<
~~ ~ 'Iilf 'Iit;mtm- ~ amcrnr ~
"lft~tl
it;~arI'f ~t?
They can be eliminated without sacricing
efficiency . SHRI P. c. SETHI: The entire question
is under consideration because of the expense
The board of the corporation has not ratio and other facton. As far as the other
been discharging its functions as cft"ectively activities of the LIC are concerned. it is
as it sbould bave done. engaged inJvarious other activities whicb arc
beneficial to tbe country as such. as, for
Tben it bas been said that group term example, housinl. advancing loans to
insurance be given due recognition. pubulic sector and other industries clC.
15 Oral Nuwers JULy 21, 1969 16

As far as the reduction of premimum ~;;rTl'ff~iIi~ ;f.Tf~


rates is concerned, I may add that the
. corporation is givinl bonus to the policy- ~ am: ~ i'~ flI;iRr ~ ?
holders, and this bonus is even to the extent wiIi m it ~ f.rfffil' ~ ~ ~ I
of 9S per cent, and from that point of view
'altholllh the question is certainly important, SHR! P. C. SETHI: The hon. member
it is also a sort of an academic ODe. has liven useful sugestions which we are
already considerinJ.

,"Q ~ U1d: ~ ~ 'tili:


'" ~~ Sf~ ~ : ~m<!i1'
~ fuf'.r ~·it flI; ;ftit ~T ~"U if ~ ~ ftq)t iii ~ ~ 906 111: 146
~lR~rn?
~~T~~if~~ ~
OTrt~~miff.mr ~ f'F ~ ~
' " Sf 0 ..0 nt: 'I11i ifiI;f.g i'~ ~~ ~ OTR lI& 0Imi~ ~
~~~;;rr~ffi'l \'Ilti'f lIIT ~ ~ garr f'F fflfu;r ~
if ~ ~q.r ~ \'Illf '!'lit ;;rRt ~ I ~ ;;mrr
' " 'I1r.I' mm: ~'1f: ~~ if>T ~ flI; ~ ~ iii lfT \'Ilti'f lIIT '¥I ;;mrr
~~ ~ ~ OTR ~~ iii af\lrr 0IfiImlI" lIIT ~1~\'Ilti'f<it~~f.r; f~f<ffl m~
~ if ~ -a-mr arA <mit ,!";;fi 'liT 'fiT!m ~ ~ W~ ~ OTR lITnr oi\1r ~
'3"OliIT ,";;r;rer iii ~ if om: ~ iii ~~0Tr'I\.~ if>T ~ i1"I1'it~
~it~~om:~ ~T iITCI~ ~ f~ mifarr<r~'F~ I ~~ ~ ~
~ if>T iOfTlf~) ~ iii ~ am: ~ m-~ :.
it ~ m af\lrr ~ cm;;;(Tit I ~
"While appointing a person as the Chair-
fem if ;;r;r ~ ~ ~ ~ihi'l' ~ ~m
mlf.t am: ~ ;;ft ~ !flIT '" ~ lIIT
man of the Corporation, Government should
satisfy itself that the person would serve as
;If,"i\\'II'I\\1I ~qiiQ ~ iii wmil"O ~ the Chairman of the Corporation for a
minimum period of five years. Men with
~~~ ~1~qiiQ ~ lI&!fIIT requisite statute, competence and experience
'" f~ r.~ iii ;;rfu!: ~;;r) ~ from outside the civil serVice should also be
considered eligible for the chairmanship of
~af\lrrili~ ~T~ ~ ~ the Corporation".
~Ift I ~ qiiQ r~ ~ vft, ar.r ~
~ ~ ~ ~ I "'~ lI& vft flI; c; lI& firfir.r ~ ~ ~ ~ 0If':i ~,
~~~T~I ~~it;;fl' ~ iAq~ ~ I ~ ~, f.r; ;;r;r iI'tmif>T
~)~~~~~~lIIT ~ 'FT ft:tfti ~ ~ ~ 111: arr<r
~rnili~~r ~it ~ ~ fll"m: 'F~ m~ ~ ~T <it 1J'1'~­
~ ~ lIT m
~ fcrf'll"f ~ ~ ~ m'if.t if>T am;mr;r ~ \'Ilti'f 'F) ~it ?
h'llt ~ ~ iii
'I'm amiT ~T ~ am:
~~lI1:fcI;m:~~~? ~ SHR! P. C. SETHI: The present Board
is I i years old. The Board, as it is coDSti-
~ iIil<m: ~ ~ ;;rrit ~ I ~­ tuted today, contains experts in the field;
~~~l'f~~~'I\1"\ifT;f\'~1 when the time for reconstitution comes, the
~ ~~ f~ ';;rli\T ~ am: ;;fI' Morarka Committee's recommendations would
be taken into consideratioD.
~ If~ if>T ir1IT ~ ~ flI>lIT ;;rli\T
~llI&"orr6';;Jl~~ ~111: '" am=! fqTu ~: ~, ~
~~ ~ ;roft ~ lIT ~ ~ ~. ~ ~ ~ sr~it armt
17 Oral A......er. ASADHA 30, 1891 <SAKA) Oral A_rs 18

~~ I it aT1'fIIiT t fctit ~ Statemmt


~lIT~~?
A decision has been taken to drill
aml'~if~it;~~ on the Aliabet East structure in the
shallow waters of tbe Gulf of Cambay witb
tbe assistance of USSR tecbnic:al experts. A
+ contract bas been signed in May, 1969 witb
tbe USSR autborities providing for <a) prepa-

'0
*2. ~IIVI tqm~1: ration of the first staae design for the re-
quired filted type drilling platform, (b) train-

....
,,11fD ~: ing of Indian Design Engineers in the design
of platforms, (c) preparalion of working
~~1nf'0.: designs in the Hindoil Design Institute, and
~~ ~: <d) deputation of one or two Soviet experts
on fabrication and installation of blocks etc.
~~OqqD ~:
~~ifT'f~: In tbe matter of drilling in deeper waters,
a consultancy arrangement has been made
~U1R~:
with a firm of consultants who will study the
VTD~~: avililable data pertaining to the area and
recommend to us the most suitable type of
mobile off-shore drilling platform for carrying
'tlff itiW\IIQ1f ~ ~ am: '"" out exploration drilling in the deep waters
81I'T ~ ~ III ;rm- iii'! ~ rn f.I; : of West Coast. An expert of this Consul-
tancy organisation recently visited India for
obtaining the relevant data, famiUarisalion
(iii) 'tlffan:il' ~ if ~ ~~. with tbe environment and preliminary assess-
1;!1~H;irrnt ~ f<ro 1fll1 &; ment of the technical drilling personnel.
The report of the Consultants will be avail-
able in two months, i.e., approximately by
(I;!') l!f~~, ~"t ~T GIl'ro 'tlff & the end of August. 00 receipt of the report.
the ONGC will decide further course of
om~~ if'tlff~T "" zri~ action in regard to drilling.
om: m 'tlff 'l'furrr1f ~ ~;
(d) Ten proposals have been received
(IT) ~~, m~;it ~ ~'t and none has been rejected so far.
if ~ f~ m'm iliT lmIR m 93fT
'IT 3T'R ~ ~ 'R ~ f~ ;;nit '1ft ~amrtqm~:~. III
~&; om ~ ~ 1fll1 &
oil ~ mrr qe.r m
~ (~) ~ (IT) 'liT a-m: ~& I
(~) ~ ~ if 3TiI' <l'iIi fil;<ril' (IT) III &:
smmr SIT«r ~~ am m ~ ~
lmIR ~ f~ ~ ~ <I''IT ~~­ .'llft ~ <it ~ ;it ~ ~ if
<rn ~ ~ <rn"l' 'tlff it ? ~ f~ ~rtm iliT lmIR SIT«r 93fT

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE


'IT om:
~~ ~ iIi~· ~ ~ ;;nit iliT
MINISTRY . OF PETROLEUM AND ~&?"
CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
(SHRI D. R. CHAVAN): <a) to (d). A ~ ~;f; ~'t if ~'t.;&1 ~
statement is laid on the Table of tl)e
Sabha. ~1ll~~1
19 O,al An.sw~rs JULY 21,1969 O,al Answorrs 20

~ sm- ~ ~ fit; .~ ~ ~ it question is wbetlle-: it was on the basis 01'


the lowest tender or not.
"&T~tf'll" to ~srr«:r ~~m
~ ar.r flifi i!iTt ~ ~ fiI;ln ~ ~ I it SHRI D. R. CHAVAN: Tbere are
f
~ ~ fit; f.t;;r-f.t;;r ~ ~ ~ two things. One is tecbnical collaboration

w
srr«:r ~ t, ~ w ~ iIf'R 'll"iI' flifi
for tbe purpose of exploration in shallow
water. That is technical collaboration with
~~~~\ilTitil>'t arrm~? USSR. Tecbnical consultancy is witb a
firm of.o. K. It bas been decided that tbis
SHRI D. R. CHAVAN: All the ten firm would be useful for givina us technical
proposals mentioned in the statement laid on advice on certain matters. No tenders were
tbe Table of tbe House were received in tbe invited. The details of all the firms were
Ministry between 1966 and 1968. gone into, and this firm has been selected.

~ ami fiItm ~ : itit ~ 'IT -namrfqRt~: ~~


f.l;m~~~~ am: m oA;~1:~~ f'll"~ ~'IA'tif ~
t am: ~r ~ qr;ft if I 'Iili qy;:ft- if
'Iili'II"T ~f~'II"T~? ~ ~ ~
'II"T m 'Iili
~ 'II"T~~~m'ff~~t I
~ ~~ 'NI~ ~ itu~tfit;~t m'f~ m
arf~ 'II"T JffiITir ~ ? ~'l'(.I'm.rt ~~ mif ~lItit
qif lIT ~ IItit qif ? ~ ;:r(l' IItit qif m
SHRI D. R. CHAVAN: Tbe proposal
that was received in the Ministry in 1966 was
t
W<fi''t ~ 'flrT ?
by a company from the USA. The name of
the company is Asland Oil Co. Tbere was SHRI D. R. CHAVAN: It is not a
a proposal from Scalay Oil Co. also. Some question of calling tenders. This work of
time in 1968 anotber proposal was received. shallow drilling bas to be done by ONGC,
and so it bas been mentioned tbat 10 as I said, in cOnsultation witb tbe tecbnical
proposal have been received in the Ministry experts of the USSR.
wbich are all under consideration.
SHRI P. M. SAYEED : Has any
~amI~~: ~ estimate been made about drilling as well as
~, ar.r flifi ~ ;:r(l' A"" ~ I sm- consultancy fees, if so, the details must be
given to tbe House. Secondly, just now the
~ ''II",~, ,,' ~ ~ it ~ qlf( t f.I; Minister said that tender has not been uivi-
~ ~ t!1IT ~ ",~",a41 ~ ted.
~m'f~m~mit~ .PIT Why were tenders not invited and this
tlit~~~ f'll"li&~'NI was done just by negotiations? I want a
m-u
8IflI' ~ arlit ~ ~ f~ ~ t? specific answer.

~~, ~m m
~ arflIi1ff ;rr.rr SHRI D. R. CHAVAN: So for as
~'IT, ~)'flrl~~~? technical consultants were concerned, I bave
already answered. About eigbt or ten pr0-
SHRI D. R. CHAVAN: The ten pro- posals were received and their potentiality
posals mentioned in tbe statement were for was assessed and finally it has been decided
the exploration work in Bombay High; that this firm in the United Kingdom should
collaboration to be obtained is for tbe pur- be given this work for exploration. Tbe
pose of shallow drilling in combay; Tbere consultancy fee is 19,500 dollars.
are two things-sballow drilling in the Cam-
bay area and exploration in Bombay High SHRI P. M. SA YEED: My question
whicb is about 60-70 miles to the nOrthwest has not been answered. Have any estimates
of Bombay. been made and if so, what are their details?
He has not given them. Secondly, I asked :
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: This con- were any tenders invited ? If not, why
sultancy was aiven to a particular firm. The not?
21 Oral Answer. ASADHA 30, 1891 (S.4K.4) Oral .4nswers 22

SHR! D. R. CHAVAN: It was not details been worked out regarding consultancy
considered necessary to invite tenders. Esti- and other technicalities? Has any point
mates for exploration, etc, have to come been fixed on the Bombay High and Bas
later on after advice is received on what type Aliabet been included? In Comhay also
of equipment should be procured for explo- bas any particular point been fixed and if so,
ration in deep waters, whether it should be what is it ?
a mobile platform or some other type, what
is going to be the cost, etc.? All these SHRI D. R. CHAVAN: As I said, the
matters will be gone into by the consultancy drilling in shallow waters .. .(llll.rruption)
firm and they will give advice. Then esti-
mates and other things would be made. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Order, order.
Let us follow the reply.
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The specific
question is whether at the stage of consul- SHR! D. R. CHAVAN: I mentioned
tancy you Call for tenders or not. about the shallow waters. The areas con-
cerned were Aliabet, Nos. 1 and 2 and the
SHRI D. R. CHAVAN: I have said Tapti strueture, Nos. 1 and 2.
that no tenders had been called for ...
Concerning Bomhay High, as I mentioned,
SHRI P. M. SAYEED: I am entitled it is a very huge structure, measuring nearly
to an answer. I asked: If no tenders had about 2,000 sq. kms. situated to the north-
been invited, why not? west of Bombay in a water depth of over 60
metres. Therefore, as I mentioned earlier ...
THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER
OF FINANCE, MINISTER OF ATOMIC
SHR! MANUBHAI PATEL: About
ENERGY AND MINISTER OF PLANNING
AJiabet, tbe Minister said during his tour
(SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI): With
that it bas been selected.
regard to the question about shallow drilling,
we have decided to do it ourselves and no
tenders were called for.. We have given the SHRI D. R. CHAVAN: About Aliabet,
work to this consultancy firm. It is only I mentioned that is on the east structure and
when the question about equipment and other the commencement of the first well that will
thinl' is taken up tenders have to be invited. be drilled in A1iabet East will be sometime
We have consultancy arrangements with the in Marcb 1970.
Soviet Union in this matter under technical
co-operation ... (An Hon. Member: Under SHRI D. N. PATODIA:Tbeonly conclu-
pressure) ... No. pressure, For deep sbore sion that I can draw is that while replying to
drilling, we have received various offers since the questions, the Minister himself does not
we do not think that we are competent to know what be is replying. Nevertheless
deal with it and they have consulted a reli- it bas been said that with regard to tbis
able firm in the United Kiogdom. I think arrangement of sballow water drillinl in
we are awaiting their report. whicb India bas entered into an agreement
witb the USSR, it was not considered neces-
I should like to share one thought with sary by the Government to invite tenders
the hon. Members. Wbile I was in Japan, I from others. ·If that be tbe case, may I know
did not take up this matter but the officials what are the broad considerations for decid-
who had accompanied me had more detailed ing in favour of that country? As far as I
discussions with the Japanese officials who understand, offers were lIiade by tbe United
expressed their interest in our plans for the Kingdom, Japan and USA, with regard to
exploration of offshore oil. They have given tbis type of exploration. In respect of
us some indiction of their desire to help. USSR, what were the specific considerations
We are at the moment engaged in examining wbicb weighed in their favour for entering
various aspects of this problem. We are into thi. collaboration ?
awaiting the report from the U.K. firm.
Secondly, witb regard to tbis collabora-
SHR! MANUBHAI PATEL: The Bom- tion, what are tbe specific terms? Under
bay Hilh is too long a strip. Have all the wbat terms have tbe USSR agreed to carry
23 Oral AlUwers JULY 21, 1969 Oral AIIsw.,s 24

out this work? What are the financial obli- in India. We have bad discussions with
gations? What are the financial commit- them and they have gone to study this.
m~nts, and what is the expected production After they hav~ given the report as to the
and what is the time-schedule expected to be way in which we should proceed, the
taken and what are the complete facts with Government will take a decision. I think
regard to this collaboration ? it is very clear at least to us, and I hope it
so to the hon. Members also.
THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM
AND. CHEMICALS AND MINES AND SHRU>. N. PATODIA: The second
METALS (DR. TRIGUNA SEN): In 1964, part of my question has not been answered.
the Oil and Natural Gas Commission What are the sPecific terms? What are the
made a contract with Technoexpert of financial commitments, the obligations, etc.,
Moscow to survey the shallow water in relation to tbe USSR agreement? That
areas in Aliabet and accordingly they has not been replied yet.
decided that the Oil and Natural Gas
Commission itself would bring in the shallow DR. TRIG UNA SEN I have said
water area for drilling, and they made what are the terms of reference. The Hind
arrangements with the USSR firm to design Oil Design Institute and the design section
projects for the fixed platforms and pier of ONGC are working in collaboration with
structures, provide specialists for taking part the technoexperts of Moscow and they are
in the manufacture of the fixed platforms in working on the details of the details of the
India, assembling the fixed platforms and design. I will give this informltion to the
erecting them on the drilling locations and House.
drilling of the first offshore well in India,
provide training facilities to Indian specia- SHRI D. ·N. PATODIA: Sir, let my
lists III manufacturing and building of que,tion be replied to. I want to know
marine piers and fixed platforms and how much money is going to be paid to
also in drilling and development of offshore this USSR concern.
wells in deposites, and supply of special
machines required, particularly cranes, if MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER He has
requiroid, and diesel hammers for construc- replied to that question. He said they are
tion of piers and by-platforms for different being worked out because it is on tbe consul-
purposes, including by-pier jetty. tancy stage.

This has been decided upon in 1964, DR. TRIG UNA SEN: I have said I
and the Designing Department of the Oil will give this information to the House.
and Natural Gas Commission, in collabora-
tion with them, had been working on it to SHRI S. M. KRISHNA: Sir, oil has
find out different workshops in India where been further adulterated by a heavy dose of
it can be done. This is the arrangement so ideological considerations as a result of
far as Aliabet is concerned. which we find the vacillation, the indecision
and, therefore, stagnation on this front also_
Regarding Bombay High, several I would like to know from the Government
proposals came to us including, as explained whether a team of experts from Russia
by the Prime Minister also, the proposals came here and they recommended to ONGC
from Japan. The Oil and Natural Gas that first they should take up drilliog in
Commission has no expert to study all those shallow waters of Cambay because it is the
proposa.ls, because there are various' sugges- easiest one and after gaining enough experi-
tions of fixed platforms, ftoating platforms ence only they can go into Bombay High.
and other things. This is why we thought Again it was followed by another delegation
that the best possible thing that would suit from Japan representing the Mitsubishi and
us was to do this: namely, we appointed a they also opined first we should start
consultancy firm. There were several names with drilling in shallow waters. There is
and we thought a British firm would be a design in both the advice given because
the best firm. 11 is not interested in 'any drilling in shallow waters is always consi-
way in tbe drilling of wells in Bombay High. dered as easier and it takes less of expenditure
So, we appointed them. Tbey are at present and investment whereas deepshore drilling
25 Oral AII.wer. ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Wrlll~" A_r. 26

IIllturally calls for a floating platform and may be some company there.
all that. That is the reason why neither >
the Japanese firm nor tbe Soviet experts Dr. TRIGUNA SEN: When he refers
were very much enthusiastic about this to United States I take it as United States
deep-shore drilling. I would like to know Government.
from the Government why they entered into
an agreement with the Soviet firm and why SHRI SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY:
they did not put a condition before entering For the information of the Minister, may I
into a contract with them that if they were read that statement? This is the statement
going into shallow water drilling they should of Shri D. R. Chavan and I take it that he
also go into deep-shore drilling? On account is the Minister of State in that Ministry. He
this now the Soviet Union says that they are says:
not going to take up this Bombay High
drilling and they would only be content with "The Union Government are in
shallow-water drilling. May I know why correspondence with the United States
they did not put this condition before enter- for suggesting tecbnical assistance for
ing into an agreement with the Soviet firm .? the Project."
Dr. TRIGUNA SEN: Sir, the hon. Mem-
This is the statement publisbed in the
ber is correct that it is for our benefit, as Times of India dated 26th May, 1969.
advised by the USSR experts, we must first
try drilling in the shollow water.;, which we
SHRI D. R. CHAVAN: What I stated
have decided to do, as I explained just a few
was tbat our experts are having consultations
minutes before, and we will have our experien- with a firm in the United Kingdom.
ced engineers trained to that. But so far as
deep-shore drilling is concerned I must in-
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Question
form the hon. Member that tbe Russians Hour is over.
have no experts to drill in high seas and,
tberefore, it is no use making a contaact SHRI SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY:
with the Russians that after tbey have done Sir, I could .not hear the reply.
in shallow waters they sbould also do in dcep
waters. We must take expert opinion from MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: What was
those wbo have got that experience. We the reply?
cannot tie up these two together as the
Russians have no experience of deep-sea DR. TRIGUNA SEN: I have replied
water drilling. several times that we have appointed a firm
SHRI SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY: in UK as consultants to advise us on what is
Sir, it seems Government has decided to go the best we can do in this matter.
into deep waters along witb U.K. I want
to know, because I read a statement of the
Minister sometime in May that tbis. matter WRlriEN ANSWERS TO
of deep water drilling was at a stage where QUESTIONS
they were in correspondence with the United
States of America-that is the statement siven Audit Board For Public Undertakings
by the Minister, which I have before me and
from which I can quote-with what all coun- ·3. SHRI P. VISWAMBHARAN: Will
tries they had correspondence fnr consulting the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
on this matter of deep water drilling and refer to the reply giveD to Unstarred Ques-
which countries have refused actually to tion No. 3321 on the 17th March, 1969 and
associate with them in this matter ? state:
DR. TRIG UNA SEN: I think the hon. .(a) whether the Audit Board has been
Member is mistaken. The Minister did not set uv,
make any statement that we contacted any
government.
(b) which of the public sector underta-
SHRI SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY: kings have been selected for review by the
May not be the United States Government; Audit Board durinS the year 1969_70; and
27 JULY 21,1969 28

(c) whetber the Fertilisers and Chemicals TIlE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
(TAvaDcore) Limited will be taken up for MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C.
review by the Audit Board durina the current SETHI): (a) to <c). The House will appreciate
year? tbat it is not possible to disclose any details
either about tbe sources of information or
TIlE MINISTER OF STATE IN TIlE the action taken on the cases in wbich
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C. information might bave been given by them.
SETHI): <a) Yes, Sir.
~ salFered by Andhra Pndesb
(b) It is expected that the followinl enter- due to Cydoae
prises will be takeD up for review by the
Audit Board duriDg tbe year 1969-70: ·5. SHRI R. K. AMIN:
SHRI R. R. SINGH DEO:
1. National Mineral DevelopmeDt SHRI D. N. DEB:
Corporation Ltd. SHRI YASHPAL SINGH:
2. Oil and Natural Gas Commis- SHRI D. R. PARMAR:
sion. SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA:
SURI MEETHA LAL MEENA:
3. Heavy EI~ricals (India) Ltd.
SHRI CHENGALRA YA NAIDU:
4. Heavy Engineering Corporation SHRI BmHUTI MISHRA:
Ltd. SHRI K. p. SINGH DEO:
S. Bharat Heavy Electricals Ltd. SHRI Y. A. PRASAD:
SHRI D. C. SHARMA:
6. Sbipping CorporatioD of India SURI P. GOPALAN:
Ltd. SHRI UMANATH:
7. National Buildings Construction SHRI A. K. GOPALAN:
Corporation Ltd.
8. Indian Telephone Industies Ltd. Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to state:
(c) So far, this enterprise is not included
in the list. (a) whether several Districts of Andbra
Pradesh )VCI'C recently hit by cyclones;
Tal[ Evasion Cases

·4. SHRI VASUDEVAN NAIR: (b) if so, the details of total losses of
SURI C. JANARDHANAN: persons, cattle wealth and crops; and
SHRI RABI RAY:
SURI ISHAQ SAMBHALI: (c) the details of relief measures pro-
SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: vided by the Central Government and the
SHRI BHAGABAN DAS: demand 'made by tbe State Government in
this regard ?
Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to state:
THE DI!PUTY MINISTER IN THE
(a) whether Shri K. A. LuIllllD Prabhu, MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI JAGAN-
a Calcutta elIpert in detecting tax evasions, NATH PAHADIA): (a) Yes Sir.
bad sent to the income-tax authorities in
Calcutta 49 cases of tax evasion to the tune (b) and (c). A statement is laid on the
of Rs. 2S crores accompanied by case Table of the House showing the details of
information reports and documentary losses caused by the cyclone, the State
evideace; Government's estimate of the financial
• requirements for various relief and rehabili-
(b) whether it is a fact that no action tation measures and tbe Central assistance
has been takeD in these cases; and agreed to be provided. The implementation
of the relief measures is the responsibility
(c) if so, the reasons therefor ? of the State Government.
29 Written A"awrs ASADHA 30. 1891 (SA-KA) Writt~1I A_rs 30

Statement

(b). Damoge/losses caused by cyclone and /loods ill Alldltra Pradesh (May. 1969) as

reported by the Slate Govemmelll:

Loss of human life Number 738


Loss of cattle Number 2.16 lakhs
Damaae to houses Number 2.46 lakhs
Loss in monetary terms Rs. 29.52 crores
Damage to crops
( including cash crops ) Area
( in lakh acres ) 6.56
Loss in monetary terms Rs. 32.40 crans

(c). Slalement showing Ihe details of financIal requiremelll elr. for relief and re!tabilllQ/ioll
mellSures.

(Rs. in lakhs)

Items of State Govt's Ceiliogs Expenditure Central


Expenditure estimate of of expre. reported assistance
expenditure adopted ( to 3().6- released
after 1969 ) ( to date)
discussions
with the
State Govt.
I
-- -- -. __ .. _._----- !
1 2
I 3 4 5

I. Relief items (e. g. 606.00 390.00 240.41


GRATUITIOUS REUEF
grants for house-buildiog,
grants to weavers and
artisans, cattle and public
health measures, cash relief
for bereaved
families eiC.

II. Repairs to Irrigation


works and roads. 1226.00 650.00 92.38 1
III. Loans to
agriculturists elc. 952.00 ·520.00 No
r
J
350.00-

expenditure
reported

Total: 2784.00 1560.00 332.79 350.00


-.
• Ceolral assistance is released on a total basis in the light of the progress 'of
expenditure.
IWR.
31 Wrlttd Answers JULY 21, 1969 Written A ........ 32

if ~. ~ 'I11f em '"" ~ U gt ~ 'liT ~ ;if.t f~;;mIT


llij~ ~:-

• ti : "j full' ~ vrf1lj : (i) 1JRiiT;;ftCl';f ~ 738


llli\'sr~ umn:
1IIi\'~: (ii) ~~ 2.16 "1m ~
lIIi\'~timr
( iii) 1I1fffir~ 1fT ~
IIIi\' "1'i111i'{ 'r'..-r~ : 2.46 <'1m
~ IIlfiTrr
"j ~ ""'" :
1IIi\'~~: ( iv ) tfR lilt q;m;r ~.~
11ft' ~qlRilT: am: ~ q;m;ff am: ~T
1Ift'~ir.f: 'IiT~mtf ~ t
lIIi\'~jm~: f~ it <'J1T-
1IIi\'~0.0~: ~ 6.56
1IIi\'~~: <'ITtof~~

ifIfT fiI;nf <I'n ~... Jt '1Iit ll& i\(ffit ~ mtf ~o 100 ~~ ~ arm;
'lIT 'Fn" m f~ : (tof) tam a{~ ~ it <ft~ ~"'T

(~) aw~ ~ it fanr~ am:


'liT mr f.I;lrr vn ~ fuqrrftm t afT~
~,~~it;;rq;ft ~ ~~
mf~~it ~~ ~ arrt ~ f~ i!;;m~l1cIT t :at~ ~ ~
~ t qf<Ullilfq€O'l" ~ am: JffiI' ~r
li!fIf t ft;r~ ~ «l'lIT ~ 0 15.6 ~
fifia'ift ~rr gt; ~ ~ I 3TiT ~ ~o 3.50 q;U~ 'liT ~
~~ garr t I li!fIf 'lIT smfu 'liT ~
(tof) ifIfT ~ it ~ <ft~ 'liT
<mf.ttm it ~m~j~;
arrit am: ~ ~~. f~
m it ,~ ~ 0IIl't 1fi1r ~ ~ I i\(fflfT
(iT) ifIfT m:;m it ~ t 'ffurmr- ;;mIT t fit; 1;T~ ~ it \O~, 1969
~ ~ ~rr t amvff 'liT q(ff <'ftTTlfT ~ fqfirnf ~ ~T!rT ~ ~o 3.89
~ ~ liT afftr~, ~ ifiTlif ~ ~o
~;
6.50 ~ am: mT, ~~ ~ t
(tr) <rf~~. ~ ~ t m f<;r~~~~o 2~li!fIf ~'~~I
~ 3fo'lf amvff IfiT ~ ifIfT~; am: ~d ~ it q;m;ff t f<;r~ 'l'T OI'ITR mq;
~ f~ iTlfT t.
am: iI'IiTlfT <'l7TTrrT. 'l![Uft
(&) ~ 'lIT ~". 'IiT.,A;it t am:~~T~'IiT~ ~ f1ro
f<;rit ~~ 'liT 'flIT ~ ~ !fiT tT!rT ~ I
~t?
(iT) am: (tr). ltt. 1969 t ~'m't
em mt" .m
f~ (....010 '"'0 ~t~artt:l'mt ~ f;;ffi
~) :
ilWt:l' smr ~ 11ft ~,
(~) if ;;ih: t ~ <r'"" mit, ;;ft fit; ~­
WI' ~. 16 am: 21 ltt. 1969 t ;fR 'lTar if ~ amTllroIT '!fro wit I ~ l!Rt
art~mt ~ ac ~ ~ am:. ~ t!lW~ ~~o fil;o lito ~fcr ~
33 Writ/en Answers ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Written Answe,. 34

~T ~qaR: ~ al'ff1i[1:!f 'i1<'111 ~ m1lTT~


~~ <1"90 m rnmi'f "orR ~ if
~'( orr ~ aitt ~~ ;mff aitt ;;r.llfr'Tl
CeiJiDg on Urban Property
if ~ orr 'T~ I ~ f.mm; ~
It>'T ~ ~ aitt tifct 00 it; ;prqit ·7. SHRI S.M. BANERJEE:
~ if ~ it; <m:VT <mft ~ ~ il& SHRl R. BARUA:
SHRl I.M. BlSWAS:
~I SHRl SARl00 PANDEY:
SHRI LATAFAT ALl KHAN:
q fq;;r.rT ~T it
("&) ~ fir;rr~ SHRI DEORAO PATIL:
¥, 1969 <Ai" arTt:! m it;
31 ~ ~ 3
Will the Minister of FINANCE be
~-~ ~ ~ f~ f'lillT aitt pleased to state:
<!Iilf m it; ~~I!I" f'l;ijf<'lf'iild lIfu-
~~nr~1 (a) whether a final decision has been
taken to put a ceiling on the urban property;
( i) flfSll mirfcr rnr futl;rR~ ~ and

q~ im~ my ~T Iif<'r f~~


(b) if not, the reasons for this delay?
m.r if ~ 'ffffifif~,
~ ~ mrr;qcr ~ I THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
~ ~~R: it ~ am:
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C.
SETHI): (a) and (b). Government is
~ ~ if ;;r.rf.f~~ _~T reviewing the question of ceiling on urban
properties in all its aspects.
it;~it;f<'l"l!;O!I'l'f'I;~
<fzrR: ~ orT ~ I iro~ f;;r.ff if
fif;m;ry ~ mtlf ~ a-«I'- Working of Central Water and Power
ConimissiOD
~~T~Tit; forit~ oft
ar;; ~ ~ I ~ ;;or ~nrr ~ ·8. SHRI K. HALDER:
SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA:
"fT1Td" ~) artf~~" ~ ~ ~
rn if ~ffT flr.r'TT
SHRI ESWARA REDDY:
I cr'iTfir,
~~~'li'fit;f<'l"l!;,'if1<'! Will the Minister of IRRIGATION AND
POWER be pleased to state:
q" it; fort:( 1;0 3 ~ ~
lft~ "I[UT ~ ~cr ~ 'T~ (a) "whether the high power technical
~, 'Ilffl1I; w fqqf~ it; <m:VT committee to review the working of the
Central Water and Power Commission has
filimif W 'fli ~ ~ It>'T
submitted its report;
Waif ~~;
(b) if so, the main recommendations
(ii) tifct ~T it; 00 if ~ contained in the report; and ,
~ 'Tt:(;;r.llfrq'f ~ r.mt-
(e) the decisions taken thereon?
~I

(iii) W ~'lI if tm ifl'U ~ ~T THE MINISTER OF IRRIGATION


AND PO\\1lR {DR. K.L. RAO) : (a) Yes,
'};'i"~~~'T0if; Sir.

(iv) ~,~~ d"1fT q'Rr if~


if~~ ~ ~ am: (b) and (e). Copies of the report have
already been placed in the Parliament Library.
3S Written AlUwers JULY 21, 1969 Written Answers 36

A statement containing the main recommend-


c atioDS of the Committee and the action taken
thereon is laid on the Table of the House.
[Placed in Library See NO. LT-12SS/69] <m ftr.ni ~ f~CI' ~1 n~ iffiTit
'I\'t~mf",:
n..nt ~ fim.CI' ~ '" ~'" ~T
am IIinn ~:;r.n ~ '" m. (iii) ~ qtf flf>if ~~ if ~ ani
*9.111'\'~~'\': ~; ~~!I'tii'l>~m~~f.fgi
III'\'~~:
3TR ~~ QTU flfoll-mr ~r:nr m ~­
f.IRr;fT ~ ~~; am:
<m fw;nf ~ ~~ IPiT ll1!: ~
'li'f1'~iTf.!;: (!if) 311lI11fl' ~ rro ~ f""!; ~,m
~T'f.it~~~ [m~i ...i~
(iii) <m ll1!: ~ ~ fit; ~~ m- l!iT ilITu !lIlT ~ am:
~~ f'f'lJ ~ ffl!i
~ 'I\'t flI;ll'l'fiqfff ~ m ~ f.:n::1lffvr f"l4r iPit if;T ?
am: ~
~ !l1'mq,n ~
~ r.ro; m ~ qfu:IT:;r.n
~l!iTmrf1t;m!!fT; m.rf CI''IT f",,!CI'.r.n (ao 10 <'('0
~): (if;) 'ell "If "qblt<! ~<'(' @ if ~
armHrif
(~) <mll1!:1ft'~~ f"'~ll1!:
1ft' f~ 'IT f.!; ~ qfu:IT:;r.n3!T g-i ~ am: 3T'I'~ ffiif ~ritT ~ ~h:Tif ~, 3TTit
'1ft m'R ~ f'f;l{r "lri\'m; if;1 ~ ~ I f'mt ~i il> ~r.r if awt:r
m ~ w' WWIT, ~ ~~r am:
( ... ) ~~, CIT <m ~ it ~ ~ ~ f;;n;rl if 3T!IT~ ~ aTR ~;;r
~T;;r.rraTf ~ r.ro; am: orNl!i ~~ ~ ~T g-i vft am:
~ ~ iI~ ~ lffi1IT ff'IT
l!iT f,rufl:r f'f>m ~; am: ~ aRt' ~1 ~ lffi1IT ~ ~ ~ ~

(11')
&'Ifcr ~~ I ~JfTif ~ fif; 100 if;~I~ if;T m
3TR~
lIf~~, CIT ~ ~~ f",a;fr ~
mr mm ij- ~~T..rr?
~f.f ~~ ~ I 'llrof ~ Uilff am: ~
~~f<'('1:!;~"t<r~~~if ~

fnTf ~ ~ If'" (a10 <'('0


o ~ tt 3.5 l!iU~ m f.n!1iff ~ ~ ~ I
~): (iii) ~ ~ ~1 if ~ am: .mr1
.~ ~l!iTmrfil;m'IT I
Tf ~ or.ff if at~ ¥1'~ ~ ~~ ffTif
~~~3I'lJII'if~~-~1
(~) ",qiIi crfuit:;r.n en: mm if ~ am: "S:ll1fi1 "'1'-ml1lT~ fcroqa: ~­
6;;fr mit lIlT ~ 0I14411'1>dl ~ am: ~ im-, ~'T, 'fT'l'<'l'rmr am: TiTmu ii
en: qfu:IT:;r.n OIN'I>lf(l(f ij- r...m: ~ ~~I f~if ~ ai'r<:~1
f'f>m 'I'm '" I ~ "'1'-~ it ~~ ~~ fum" f.!;1:!;
'1'11; ~ 'U mm f.!;4r I ~, fu;r~
( ... ) ~,~I
am: ~ ~ ~ ~ I$r ;;r<'('1JT.f
(11') sm-~~I ~ '1'11; I QII,.,lfSIl, ~ <'fCiitlT if ~ OIl
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'I'i f;;rn~ crfurTT~~ ~<'(' 3TR ~if; mar-
~ ~T~ ~ f;;rq ~ 'ft ~ ma Ottf ~ '1'11; I ~... am: ~m... ~
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III'\' ai'f!m: ~ : ij-~~ l.24~m~~1
37 Wrille" Answers ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Writte" A".wers 38

~if~it;I'I'v.rit;~~ (d) if not, wbetber Government would.


ffi it; ~I~ ~'Iffi'1', ~fu;r, 'Ft~<'IlIT am: proceed against the Banking Company con-
cerned?
~ ~ if ~ arr ~ am:
creareff if
m: arr ~ I ~ ~ mer am:
fir'licqcr1 THE MINISTER OF STATE INTHE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. c.
~if~q;ri~~ ;r~ I ~~
SETHI) : (a) As tbe House knows, such
f'l> ~ ~ 37 \'ITI1i ~it ~ ~ arflf'l> ~ I information relating to the account of any
~ aft~ ~~ it arm
CI'P ~1ffiT it; f<'ll!; constituent of a bank is not diwlged.
iR 'l>r;r~ f<;r@T~ I
(b) to (d). Do not arise.

(Ill' ) am~ ~ q'fl it; f<'ll!; SffifTfcRr


~ f.ni'J!VI' <m1lfiT ~ it arm arf.(f'f
~~f~~1 f~Amur~~if f<'ll!;
GJT ~ ~ 'f.TlIT if it mfir.;r~, afFi:f *12. ~;ro ~ '"":
m if PITT aftt '11<:mT it; i'~1~ ~ '11~~~f:
if ;;r<'f-f,{;mr if wn~; ~, ~ aiR ~ilio qqo ~lt:
qf~'I'1f arm<'f if ~"f 'l>r oi;n" ~OAT aiR ~~mn.n:
~ <rr.IT; f~~ if m1, 'lim:rT arorr;r
am: 'fiI'Vi it; m1f-liI'rtr~~ lfiT <miT 'flIT ~ <'I'rT IIft1m: ~ am:
~W; am: ~'<f~ m if f;m'R1 ;jI;r it; ~, ammf <'I'rT ~ mrm ~1 ~
liI'l~ ~ ifiIli", 'l";;rR, ~vrr am: f<:~ ~ ~1 ii'IT ~~it f.I; :

if ;;r;;r-f;r;nllil' 'f>TIl"1 if ~ lit ~ ~ I


(~) 'flIT ~ ~ ~ f.I; 1!mr 'l>T
if 'ffur:i[iIT 'I>T Amur ifiIli"
~m:rn ~
~ am:
mtPIl 'lit "'1'l\'l.EIdI lfiT m
f\;r~'r'i"~;;rR'R:ffi'ft~ it;~~
GJTit '1>1 ~T ~,R ~ ron- ~ ~f~ RfffiIT S(1I1l'\'IT aif"'" w-m-
~ am: \'IllT'h) W'N ~ ;
I11IT ~ I
~ liI'~ <m1 ~ snnf<RT ~","f if ~~
;;r;tiIi

~, or ~ srvnf<'J1iT it;
it;~~GJTit'IiT~~1
(Ill') lift
Bank Advance to Congress Party IRR <I1IT f.rnm:: it; f.rit m<m: IflfT
.r' ~T~ttr~; am:
*11. SHRI MADHU LlMAYE: Will.
tbe Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state: _ (l'J') m<m: mr ~m; 'lit
RfffiIT srumIT '1>1 W'fi!T if ~T '1»
(a) wbetber tbe United Commercial Bank arm; ~ Rit ;;rrit it; 'flIT lffiVT ~ ?
of India or any otber Scbeduled Bank gave
to the A.I.C.C./Congress President 01 any
other Congress Organisation an advance of ~ ft'fI qfnm: ~nr.r am:
Rs. 10 lakhs (or more or less) this year;
~,if1Qf "'" ~ mrm .m
(b) whether tbese bodies or persons are ('11 ilio ,ilio ~): (~) ~m;
treated as farmers or small entrepreneurs: f'<rfffiIT S(1I1l'\'IT ~ ~ <rr.IT

(c) if not, whether such advances are


~rn~ am:
~ \'ITl'J' ~
<'IT'IT ;;oRr ~ I m;fCI'P -f'<rfll;m S(1I1l'\'IT it;
consistent with the objecth'cs of tbe 'social
control over banking' legislation: and ~df"mRf'lit~~ ~ ~ I
39 Written Answers JULY 21, 1969 Written Answers 40

(~) ~ it ~<:" iI; f<f;m:r 'til Grand Feeder Canal for Diversion
of Surplus Water of Ganga
~ ~ iI; f.:rtr 'fflUm: m~
~ if ~ ~ ~rt~am:: *14. SHRI V. NARASIMHA RAO:
f<R;r~'IiT lfil:~ ~qt~~if SHRI S.K. TAPURIAH:
"4\' ~ Wrr I ~ f;;rf.rnrr 5I'1'm'it iI; SHRI K.M. MADHUKAR:
SHRI BHOLA NATH MASTER:
~'til"4\'~if~~ ~I ,llilRI TULSIDAS DASAPPA:

Will the Minister of IRRIGATION AND


~If) ~ ~ 5I'1'm'it 'I\'t orr,;- POWER be pleased to state:
f.rI; fqf~ 5I'1'm'it iI; ~-mllf ~
Ca) whether Government have decided
Rtrr;;rr~tl
to divert through a grand feeder canal, the
surplus monsoon water of the Ganga to the
Loans to Industries In Stat~ by Central system of rivers from Narmada to Cauvery
Finaneial lastltutions and Thamrapan;

(b) if so, when this work is likely to


*13. SHRI E.K. NAYANAR:
be taken in hand; and
SHRI MOHAMMAD ISMAIL:
SHRI K. RAMAN!.
(c) the amount expected to be spent on
it?
Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to refer to the reply given to Un-
THE MINISTER OF IRRIGATION
starred Question No. 4156 on the 24th
AND POWER (DR. K.L. RAO): (a) to
March, 1969 and state:
(c). A large volume of water, after allowing
for all possible upstream development
Ca) whether Government have collected and the requirements downstream, would be
the information about the loans given during available in the Ganga during monsoon
the last threee financial years upto the 3 Ist months for diversion. On the other hand,
March, 1968 to tbe various industries in the in most of the other rivers, the lIows are
various States by the Central Financial inadequate and erratic. These depend
agencies; laraely on the south west monsoon, which is
quite orten delayed or withdrawn early or
(b) if so, the State-wise figures; and has a long break leading to scarcity condi-
tions these basins.

Cc) if not, the reasons for tbe delay? The possibility of diverting the surplus
waters of the Ganga by connecting it with
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the Cauvery and further south with feeder
MINISTRY OF FINANCE CSHRI P. C. canals to serve areas in Rajasthan and the
SE1HI): Ca) Yes, Sir. pJatesu of Mysore, therefore, has been
preliminarily examined on toposheets. The
link canal from the Ganga from near Patna
(b) The information as available in
to Mellor dam will have to cross the various
respect of All India Public Sector Financial
~or river basins of the country, namely
Institutions namely the Industrial Finance
Sone, Narmada, Godavari and Krishna and
Corporation of India, Industrial Development
smaller basins like Palar. Pennar, etc. The
Bank of India and Life Ins~nce Corpo-
link will require the construction of a large
ration of India is given in the, -Statements I,
number of dams and barrages on the various
II and III respectively laid on tbe Table of
sub-basins to store up tbe water, more than
the House. [PkIced in Librar, See No.
2,000 miles of canals with cross·drainage
LT-1256/69]
works, a large number of pumping stations,
etc. The work Involved is large and would
(c) Does not arise. require substantial investment. The Project
41 Written Answers ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Wrillen Answer< 42

has to be first thoroughly investigated and it Government of India and the amount so.
is roughly assessed that it would involve an released are exhibited in the budget on the
expenditure of about Rs. I to 2· crores every expenditure side. Consequently the procedure
year for 10 to 15 years even to fully investi- suggested in the Report is already being
gate such a proposal. Proposals are under- followed, and steps are being taken to
way to initiate action on investigation work. cushion the impact on the economy of
expenditures from PL-480 funds.
Report on Impact of-PL 480 Funds
U. S. Aid to India
*15 SHRI SEZHIYAN:
SHRI R. K. SINHA: *16 SHRI N.R. LAEKAR:
SHRI SITA RAM KESRI: SHRI VALMIKI CHOUDHARY:
SHRI YOGENDRA SHARMA: SHRlMATI ILA PALCHOU-
SHRI NIHAL SINGH: DHURY:
SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI: SHRI K.M. KOUSHIK:
SHRI H. AJMAL KHAN:
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased SHRI S. XAVIER:
to state: SHRI J. MOHAMED IMAM:
SHRI D. AMAT:
(a) whether the Khusro Study Group on
the impact of PL-480 funds has submitted
Will the Minister of FINANCE be
its report;
pleased to state:
(b) if so, the main recommendation
(a) whether it is a fact that U.S. Secre-
thereof; and
tary of State visited lndia during the month
of May, 1969 and hlld a round of talks with
(c) the action taken by Government on him in regard to the continued U.S. aid to
report? India; .

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER (b) if so, the outcome of the talks;
OF FINANCE, MINISTER OF ATOMIC
ENERG Y AND MINISTER OF PLAN- (c) whether he has assured that U.S.
NING (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI) : will give more aid to India or at least fulfil
(a) Yes, Sir. the commitments which India had asked to
give during 1969; and
(b) and (c). The Report recognises that
this potentiality can be met in one or several
ways. Their first suggestion is that expendi- (d) wether any assessment has been
ture from accumulated PL-480 funds should made of the extent to which India will receive
be properly phased under agreement with the aid from U.S. during the current year?
Government of India and that such agree-
ment and knowledge would enable the THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER
Government to adjust its other expenditures OF FINANCE, MINISTER OF ATOMIC
in such a manner as to keep the total expen- ENERGY AND MINISTER OF PLANN-
diture to a level which does not give rise to ING (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDID):
any inflationary effects. Their second (a) to (e). The discussions which the U. S.
suggestion is to obtain the accumulated Secretary of State had with the Deputy
funds as grants from the U.S. Government Prime Minister during his visit to India in
and their final alternative is to enter into an May, 1969 were of a genel"l!.l nature and
agreement to freeze the funds permanently did not rel11te to U.S. aid to India.
All PL--480 funds are currently invested in
the special securities by the Government of (d) The foreign aid bill is before t~ U.S.
India and are in that sense already frozen. Congress and it is too early to say what the
Moreover, even at present funds are released level of U.S. aid to India in the current
for U.S. uses after consultations with the year is likely to be.
43 Written Answers JULY 21, 1969 Written Answers 44

Group Housing Scheme for Delhi Index (1949=100) 185, 195, 205 and 215 is
concerned. The other recommendations have
*17. SHRI SURAJ BHAN: Will the not been accepted.
Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING Joint Ventures Abroad
AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT be
pleased to refer to the reply given to Unstar- *19. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: Will
red Question Nos. 2917 and 4076 on the the Ministet of FINANCE be pleased to
2nd December, 1968 and 24th March, 1969 state:
respectively and state :
tal whether the Institute of Foreign
(a) whether Government have accepted Trade has suggested that Indian enterprises
the GROUP HOUSING SCHEME for investing abroad in Joint Ventures . should be
Delhi residents; guaranteed against political risks in the
countries where they are investing; and
(b) whether any final decision lorders in
this connection have been communicated to <b) if so, Government'! decision thereon?
Delhi Administration by now; and
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
(c) if the reply to (b) above be in MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C.
negative, U1e reasons for the delay? SETHI): <a) Yes, Sir.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE <b) The matter is still under considera-
tion.
MINISTRY OF HEAL11{ AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING
AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI fw;ft fcr;mr snf"lllin: if; !liN ~\'Iif if;
B.S. MURTHY): (a) to (c). The proposal firq f~1ICl
about Group Housing Scheme is still under
consideration of the Government.
*20. 1511 ~ \'1m ~: ~lIT ~II~
Gajendragadkar Commission Report <!'lIT qf~m~ iIT~~, ilTm9 <rqr
~ ~ ~T lff! ifOrit ii1T 'li'fT llim flli:
*18. SHRI M.L, SONDHI: Will the
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state; (iii) ;rcr ~) crq'f if ~ m.rn
~ if;~~;rif;m: itm:'f.R'I>l
<a) whether Government are considering
the detailed implementation of the Gajendra- f.I;<r;ft f~ srrc<r ~ ~ om: ,,;r 'R:
gadkar Commission Report; ~ it iflIT ~iIT&T IliT ~ :
<b) what other benefits are likely to (l1r) iflIT lff! ~ ~ flli rom m.rn
accrue to the Ceotral Government employees;
~IIiT~ifmlliTQ;!fim~
and
"1&1 ~ ; iIT~
(c) the date by which these are likely to
be implemented? (q) lffqf, ffi w mif m:om <m
~@''Ii1: 'i!T~?
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C. ~<!'IITqfum:~ iIT~~,

'0
SETHI): <a) to (c). Government have imple-
mented the recommendation of the Gajendra-
. ammf <!'lIT ~ fiftim ~r.lq if ~
gadkar Commission in so far as payment of ~ (~.,o 1lfiI): (iii) m.rTf~«
compensation to Central Government emplo-
yees with reference to 12-monthly average of
~vr if; ifiT7i1 if; m4:
'I>lt ~
the All India Working Class Consumer Price fu;m<r «~;m: 'I>l STTt<r ~ ~ ~ I
45 Written Answers . ASADHA 30. 1891 (SAKA) Written Answers 46

(liI") !tilt '1ft ~w: lR~ mmffi' (c) whether it is a fact that Mr. Nainmal.
Poonjaji had donated Rs. 2S lakhs to the
firifim mf~~ur if;T ~fli ~ ~. f~ Famine Relief Fund in Rajasthan; and
m~ffi;f~-~~ ~~(m~
~ ~ij--~~ ~ qf~ (d) if so, whether Government inquired
into the circumstances in which Mr. Shah
(~mT ~;m;r) ~ ~ ~ I came in possession of this vast sum of money?

(If) ~ ~T 'f~1 \mlT I THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE


MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI p. C.
Excise Duty 00 Stra.. Board and Mill Board SETHI) : (a) No, Sir. The investigations
are still in progress.
·21. SHRI S. S. KOTHARI : Will the (b) The preliminary findings show contra-
Miniter of FINANCE be pleased to state: vention of the provisiou of the Customs Act
and the Foreign exchange Regulation Act.
(a) whether it is fact that the excise
duty on strawboard and mill board increases (c) Shri Nainmal Poonjaji Shah expressed
sharply above a certain level of production his desire to ihe Chief Minister, Rajasthan
and that due to duty free imports from to undertake famine relief work in Jalore
Nepal the industry is facing difficulties ; District to the extent of about Rs. 2S lakhs on
his own without any intervention of the
(b) if so, whether Government would Government of Rajasthan. He did not,
consider reducing excise duty; and however, pay any money in cash or by cheque
to the Chief Minister's Relief Fund.
(c) whether Government would impose
import duty on strawboard and millboard (d) The departments concerned arc seized
coming to India from Nepal to ensure that of the matter.
the indigenous industry is not affected
adversely? ExpaasioD of tbe Manganese Mines

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ·23. SHRI BAIDHAR BEHERA:


MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C. SHRI LAKHAN LAL KAPOOR:
SETHI): (a) The existing structure of effec-
tive rates of duty arc so fixed that the increase Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND
in average incidence of duty per metric CHEMICALS AND' MINES AND
tonne is gradual according to increase METALS be pleased to state:
in production; according to. the information (a) whether it is a fact that Government
available at present, imports from Nepal have propose to discontinue the proposed expan-
not affected the indigenous industry. sion of the manganese mines in the coJlntry;

(b) and (c). Do not arise. (b) if so, the reasons therefor; and

Foreign ExChange Racket by Mr. Naiomal (c) the steps taken to provide alternative
PJIOojaji Sbah of Bombay. employment to the workers thrown out of
work due to stoppage and reduction of
~HRI GEORGE FERNANDES: work? .
Will the Minister of FII:'IANCE be pleased to
state: • THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND
(a) whether investigations into the foreign CHEMICALS AND MINES AND ME-
exchange racket by Mr. Nainmal Poonjaji TALS (SURI JAGANATH RAO): (a) and
Shah of Bombay have been completed; (b). The manganese ore export market is
passing through difficult time due to raIl in
(b) if not, what are the preliminary prices and increased competition in the inter-
findings in his case ; national market from other countries like
47 Written Answers JULY 21, 1969 Writ/en Answers 48

(jabon, Brazil etc. As such the question of tial accommodation to Sheikh Abdullah at
expansion of manganese mines in the country concessional rent; and
does note arise.
(d) the exact wording of the certificate
(c) Efforts are being made to step up given by the Union Ministry to describe the
exports of maganese ore, as also internal occupation?
sales. In addition other Mining Organi,ation
have been addressed to examine the possibi- THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND
lity of employing such workers. FAMILY PLANNING, AND WORKS,
HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOP-
Selection Grade Posts for naftries MENT (SHRI K. K. SHAH) : (a) A house
has been allotted to Sheikh Abdullah on a
*24. SHRI P. C. ADICHAN: Will the rent of Rs. 178 per month and an additional
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to refer to rent of Rs. 100 per month for furniture.
the reply given to Unstarred Question No.
8471 on the 5th May, 1969 and state : (b) The market rent of such bungalows
in this area ranges between Rs. 570(- and
(a) whether the information regarding Rs. 690(- per month.
the number of Selection Grade posts of
Daftries in the various Ministries and (c) Consequent on his release, Sheikh
Departments and their pay-Scales has since Abullah was allowed to retain the bungalow
been collected; and where he had been detained, on a tempnrary
basis, having regard to his position in public
(b) if so, details thereof? life and the other circumstances of the case.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (d) No certificate has been issused by


MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C. the Ministry to describe the occupant, nor
SETHI): (a) Information is still awaited from is such issue required.
a few Ministries/Departments. Complete
information will be laid on the Table of the Effect of increased Taxa tion
House in due course.

(b) Does not arise. *26. SHRI LOBO PRABHU: Will the
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state:
Bungalow allotted in Delhi to
Sheikh Abdullah (a) the manner in which increase in taxes
to restrain conspicuous spending can be
*25. SHRI MAHANT DIGVIJA Y NATH: effected without reducing the marginal con-
sumers who are trying to raise their standard
SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY:
of living;
SHRI ONKAR SINGH:
SHRI SHRI GOPAL SABOO:
(b) whether such an inrcrease in taxes
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND will not lead to further idle capacity, which
FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS. will create more unemployment; and
HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT
be pleased to state : (c) if so, whether it will not be uncons-
titutional to increase tax on land values in
(a) whether it is a fact that Sheikh urban areas, without including all owners,
Abdullah has been allotted a bunplow in including the small ones, which will have
Delhi at a very nominal rent; the result of further increasing rents1

(b) whether it is also a fact that the THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE.
market rent of such bungalows ranges between MINISTR Y OF FINANC E (SHRI P. C
Rs. 800 to Rs. 1600 per month; SETHI): (a) Taxes levied to restrain cons-
picnous spending do not have any impact on
(c) if so, the reason for giving a residen- low income groups.
49 Wrlttm Answer8 ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Written Answers so
(b) Measures to restrain c:onlipicuous
c:onsumption are not likely to lead to any
f.f;mr m it ~ ~ m~ filmit it;
significant increase of idle capacity in Jl1:Wf fiI;1t GIl ~~ ~ I
industry. In any event, Government's policy
is to promote the fuller use of industrial (~) ~f","1llf i!t ~, ef<;r1;r,
capacity for productive purposes and not to
sustain c:onspicuous c:onsumption.
GIl~f;w ~mf~, em: (f'IT ar~
ft;r"!:~ " ~ llif f'vt;;rU (fIfT ~­
(c) It is not unc:oostitutional to grant
preferential treatment in the levy of taxes
m, ~ (fIfT ~ WI' i!t ~
to owners of properties of small value. ~ ;{fefu:r(']"/~ 'IiTif;r, ~ ~'l]"
~, ~ ~ sri~T irm (flIi-
~ am: " ~ lIlT ~q.f ;fA;f;;n;;.rn:f ~ i!t ~ llif q-( ~ I

*27. '" am. SAinT ~ : ~ ~~ Supply of stores to Indian Oil Corporation


em~am: !IR em ~ ~ lI"~ by MIs. HiDd Galvansing and Eoginaeering
iItfR' ott !itfT llii:it fit; : Co. Ltd.

"28. SHRIMATI SUSEELA


(1Ii)~,~~,,~
GOPALAN:
'IiT~ mifi" ~ it~iflfT SHRI P. RAMAMURTI :
~~~~; SHRI K. ANIRUDHAN :

Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND


(lif) iflfT ~ 'lit ~ it; f<'!it ::rlIi- CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
;ftott G!~ ~ ; be pleased to state :

(q) lIf~ ~, on ~<m: irm alIi- (a) whether it is a fact that Messrs Hind
GalVanising and Engineering Company Ltd.,
;ftott iiITirlIiT"U sn<a m ifi" m it iflfT
,t ~ ; am:
did not complete deliveries under the order
lflmr f.t;it GIl placed with them by the Indian Oil Corpo-
ration within the time limit;
(~) ~ fif>il"-f.t;;r W1l1"iiT 'liT
~mit~~q-(~? (b) the loss incurred due to delay in
delivery; -

~",~am:!lRem~ (c) whether Government have enquired


~if~~ (,"qfOUo~): into the matter and if so, the findings
thereof; and
(iii) " (q). ~o ~o ~o ~o
it; wlft;r ~ ~, f;ffiq- ~ i!t (d) if not, the reasons therefor?
~<'rlI"1f'IiT~~~,~~
~ ~ srIIllTWIT (f'IT ~ i~ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
~~..,.,~,~m MINISTRY OF - PI!:TROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
i!t ~ it; ~ ifi" r.nt ~Tif>i" (SHRI D. R. CHAVAN): (a) Yes, Sir.
~ 'liT f.f;mr ~ ~ ~I WIlI"'ITllif
(b) The Indian Oil Corporation had to
~~~_ifi"'ffi1Ir~it;mit ~
make an emergent purchase of 21,000 barrels
@ ~ f.f;mr ~ lIiVIT m ~ rn from MIs. Suppliers Corporation resulting
~ I W(f: ~ it ~ 8ITEmT II': ~ in an extra expenditure of Rs. 1,34,400.
The delay in supplies also resulted in price
fiI;1t ~ ~ ~ II': 61r11f ~ escalation of barrels due to increase in steel
iI;fu(f fiI;it GIl ~ ~ I ~ ~ ifi" prices.
51 Written Answers JULY 21, 1969 Wrillell Answers 52

• (c) and (d). The Estimates Committee, (b) if so, the details of the scheme indi-
have already looked into the matter and cating the extent of production capacity in
their findings are contained in their eighty- respect of each item to be installed in the
sixth report (Fourth Lok Sabha) wbich are said complex and refinery ?
being examined by Government.
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
Petro-Chemical Complex at Namrup MINISTR Y, OF PETROLEUM AND
(Assam) CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
(SHRI D. R. CHAVAN): (a) A letter of
in~t has been granted to the Assam Indus-
*29. SHRI HIMATSINGKA :
trial Development Corporation Ltd. for the
SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK :
establishment of a number of Petro·chemical
SHRI TENNETI VISHWA-
units at Moran-Lakhowa area in Sibsall8r
NATHAM: District of Assam. As regards the second
oil refinery in Assam, the matter is at present
Will tbe Minister of PETROLEUM under study by a committee of experts
AND CHEMICALS AND MINES AND appointed by the Government.
METALS be pleased to state:
(b) The items and the production capa-
(a) whether Government have sanctioned cities for which the letter of intent have,
the establishment of a petro·chemical comp- been issued to the Assam Industrial
lex at Namrup and second oil refinery in Development Corporation Ltd. are as
Assam; and follows : -

Item Capacity (in lonlles per allnum)


1. Methanol 7,000
2. Formalin 12,000
3. Non·concentrated Glu~ (50%) 12,000
4. Concentrated Glue (75%) 13,000
5. Urea Formaldehyde Moulding Powder 1,000
6. PVC Processed goods· 6,000
------_ .... - _ . - - --

,,~ ~~ ~1lII1r.f ~ 1m ltmI if (i\") W ~ if ~ If>1 ~


~ tlPt);;r.f m'li1f IIiT ~ ~~?
*30. lilT ~cih: ~ ~.,: ~ ~q (~ em qfu,1: ~ ~
em~f~~~,~ f.:rqfvr, ~ em ~ fimq ~
em ~ ~ ~, ~ <rnf.t II>'\" !i'lT if ~ ~ (~O ~ ~):
mf.i;: ('I» am ~ll ~ ~ ~ ~
If>1 it;;r.r ~ ~ fuli 8 1Ii, 1969
('I» ~.~ ~ ~ it
'1» srTta" g~ ¥ft I
'ltmI"it; qf~ ~~it;~
if ar:AT arm mmor ~ ~ ron (~) ~ ~ ~I. ~~
L ~ ~<; '1» ~ fuli '1» m6ll'T
mit;~if~;fti\"~ ~I
(~) lff~ ~, 6) ~Q" ~ it; , ~
~ 6flT fuq;rfuf ~ ~ trflT m~~ (i\") it;;r.r ~ am arm fuli
II>'\" ~ srfir ~-o:rc.r ~ ~, ~; srTta"~ ~~ ~~it;~~
~ arqrlffir R;m: f'lilTT ;;no Q"!Iim" ~ I
53 - Written Answers ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKAl Written Answers 54

'I'1r SIbT if ~ ¥llIlf.. til" ... f~ f.t;cr;ft ufu ~ 'It I ~ SflIiR ~


1• .n ~ oa..t: ;m ~
~..-r it; <IRI1Ti3' ~T ~ SflIiR ~
'It:-
"'" ~ ~ am:: ~, amrRr
"'" ~ tiPmr ~ ~ iRrA lt\i" ~
~'il' f.I; : 1966-67 ~
1967-68 0.60 <'IR'I ~o
(iii) ~ ~ ~ it ~ m 1968-69 0.60 omf~o
m:iIiR: it. 01IT ~"N m:lIm: it. f~~T
lfi{lfiRrn;rlff lt\i" ~ f.t;cr;ft t it ~ am: ffsiji"" iIif.t;;ff it ~ ~ 11; f.ffi'm:
~~;
It\i"~~~;nOJ:ifIi"~~~
( 'iT) 'I<f ffi;r ffi it If;;:iIT!I ~ it ~ 'It t am:: ..-it ~ ~llt\i" ~'l1'm
~ ... Rfiji~m ¥I'i{I~ 'til mr.rT f;ffl\lr ijiT ....'hr..-r iii) ~c t<'!1"r it ~~ ~
~~~ am:
'iffiJ:;ri it 01IT arFTl1ft f,roqqrtl ~~1I;f<:r!!;if;;:jftq-~­
ifIi" it fijiffift ~ ~ 'liT fir;m: t; l«IT~1I; mitm>f~~~
Sffirl'f 5TTt(f ~ 'I'<: ~ ~ fij;1jf arTitm I
(~) ;m ~ m~ it. mrr.r
arnm:: 01IT ;;e;r~~ iji) ~ it ~ m (~) ~T~ I
~ f'iff'lim Qi\lfClG10I41 lt\i" ~ ~
~t; am: . ('I')
~it~Of!IT ~~~
U;Rf~iIiI<: 'liT ~ ~

( 'I' ) ;m ,"~T q'~'Pf zft;;e;rr ar<If';r ijif fir';m::tI ~ ~ ijiffl;;r 11; f~

it ~ ~ it!9' am: Rf'mIT Qi\lfClGIOI ... ~'IiT~ ...~fli;l:rrtl


~ 'liT fif';m: t 8T'R: 11ft &t. at f'liait Non-Acbie"ement of Targets by Damodar
am:~~? Valley Corporation

~cm~~am:: 2. SHRI K. M. KOUSHIK: Will the

'0
Minister of IRRIGATION AND POWER
~, amrRr "'" 'I'R"N fWnr ~T"'" be pleased 10 state:
if~~ ('IIft.o ~): (iii) .........
m it U;Rf m:lIm: i[TU ~<'RI' g: (a) whether it is a fact ihat according to
the Audit Report for 1967-68, the Damodar
~'IiT~ ~I it~.·~, Valley Corporation has not been able to
~.~~m8T'R: ~it ~~I achieve its targels with regard to irrigation;
and
~~~itif;;:jftq- m:lIm:'IiT ~ ~
~~tl (b) if so, the steps proposed to be taken
to achieve the targets?
('iT) 'I<f ffi it U;Rf ~ 'til' ~"N
~ iliT otm1fT iI' 5Tijil<: iliT zft;;r;rrarT THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
ifIl!O: If;;:i\' ~i3' 01IT ~ ~ 11; POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
ar.<r~i3' 1J1l' 'It ~T I ~ ~ 11; 8T~ ~ PRASAD): (a) Yas Sir.
if;;:jftq- ~~ff zft;;r;rrarT 11; fOllt ~T
(b) More water courses are being cons-
~ ~ ~ ~ ¥fi 8T'R: ~r.ro: Ifi! ~ tructed each year by the Government of
~~tfiji~:~~1I; West Bengal, who have taken over the DVC
ss Wrillen Answers JULY 21, 1969 Wrillen Answers 56

irpaation system, to .increase the utilisation (b) the sections under which these
for achievement of the targets. persons have been charged and whether they
have been granted bail;
Loans to Agriculturists
(cl if so, the particulars of bail in each
3. SHRI K. M. KOUSHIK: Will the case;
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state:
(d) the ~es and designations of
Customs officers suspended in tbis matter;
(a) the rate of interest charged on loan and
given to the agriculturists;
(e) if not, the reasons therefor?
(b) the rate of interest charged on loans
for industrial purposes; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C.
(c) how Government account for the SETHI) :
disparity in this; and
(a) Exporting Firms
(d) whether Government propose to give
some relief to the agriculturists in this
MIs. Flexo Industries, Sural.
MIs. Amritlal Manchand Bros" Surat.
direction?
MIs. Gopal Traders. Bombay.
MIs. C. J. Corpotation, Bombay,
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MIs. Ajanta Metal Industries, Bombay.
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C.
SETHI) : (a) to (d). While fixing the rates of List 01 Customs Officiols
interest on advances, commercial banks are
generally guided by various factors such as Shri D. B, Dalvi, Appraiser.
the nature and marketability of the security, Shri P. D. Daruwala, Appraiser.
the type of the borrower and his financial Shri B. S. Kokatay, Appraiser.
strength, the size of advance, the cost of Shri V. P. Joshi, Appraiser.
making the advance, servicing of the account Shri G. D. Nerukar, Appraiser.
etc. In the context of social control, more Shri T. L. Alve, Examiner.
emphasis is now being placed by the banks Shri G. P. Rao, Examiner.
on the purpose of the advance and the tech- Smi P. N. Motwani, Examiner.
nical and economic feasibility of the scheme Shri A. H. Shaikh, Examiner.
rather than on the financial position of the Shri R. N. Naik, Examiner.
borrower and the security offered. Data
collected by the Reserve Bank from major' (b) and (c). The exporting firms have
banks reveals tbat the rates of interest charged been charged with committing an offence
by them in the case of advances to agricul- under Section 120-B, Indian PeDal Code, read
ture and industry range in general between with Section 420, Indian Penal Code and
8 and 9! per cent. There is no proposal under Section 511, Indian Penal Code, Section 5 of
consideration to give relief to agriculturists Import and Export (Coiltrol) Act, 1947, read
in the matter of interest rates. with 3(A) of Export Trade Control Order.

Bogus Ezports Racket The Customs ollieials have been charged


with an offence under Section 5(1)(d) of
4. SHill BABURAO PATEL: Will the ,Prevention of Corruption Act, 1947. The
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: Central Bureau of Investigation have only
registered F.I .Rs and are conducting investi-
(a) the names and designations or gations. No prosecution proceedings have
business of customs ollieials and exporting been launched. The questioo' of granting of
firms from Surat and Bombay who have been bail does not, therefore, arise.
involved in the racket of bogus exports and
against whom Central Bureau of Investigatinn (d) and (e). Whether a primo locie case
has registered _ ; exists apinst the Customs ofBcials for sus-
57 Writ/en Answers ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Written Answers S8

pending them can be determined ODly on able to reach the target of 400 tonnes of
receipt of the Special Police Establishment's pyrites to produce 200 tonnes of Sulphu/ic
investigation report. As such, it was not acid a day;
considered necessary by the Collector of
Customs, Bombay to suspend the officials at (b) the present daily output of pyrites
this stage. and the cost per tonne;

Investment in Public Undertakings (c) whether it is also a fact that the


Amjhore unit has not still selected a suitable
6. SHRI BABURAO PATEL: Will process for the are utilization and the
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: reasons for delay;

(a) the number and names of factories Cd) the date and names of the members
in public sector with investment in each comprising the delegatiOD that went to Finland
factory till last financial year, State-wise; and to finalize this process; and

(b) the total loss or profit made by each (e) whether it is also a fact that Amjhore
factory till last financial year 1 unit has now approached an Indian consul-
tancy firm for advice and if so, the result
THE· MINISTER OF STATE IN THE thereof and the name of the firm, with
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C. amount of fees, if any paid to this firm ?
SETHI) : (a) and (b). Presumably the Honou-
rable Member desires to know the names THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
of the different units of Central Government MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND CHE-
undertakings, that are located in the different MICALS AND MINES AND METALS
States, and the capital invested (gross-block) (SHRI JAGANATH RAO): (a> Pyrites.
therein, State-wise. This information. as at Phosphates and Chemicals Limited (formerly
the'end of 1967-68. which is the latest year known as Pyrites and Chemicals
for which the accounts of all the Central Develop.ment Company Limited) was
Government undertakings are available, is established in March, 1960 for mining of
indicated in the statement laid on the Table pyrites are and for manufacturing of sulphur
of the House. [Placed in Library. See. No. and sulphuric acids and other products requi-
LT-l2S7/69.] ring such are. The Project Report for
production of 800 tonnes of pyrite are per
As regards the loss or profit, the infor- day from Amjhore area was approved in
mation which is only on enterprise-wise basis January, 1965. Thereafter, necessary steps
and not on unit-wise basis, in respect of the to import mining machinery from aboard
83 Central Government enterprises for the were taken and the key machinery which
year 1967-68 which is the latest year for which was received by end of 1967, was progres-
information is available is given in the state- sively installed and commissioned. The
ment laid on the Table of the House. [Placed production programme of pyrite are has been
in Library. See. No. LT-12S7/69.] phased to suit the requirements of are of
the Si ndri Sulphuric Acid Plant. The rated
production at the rate of 400 tonnes per day
Pyrites, PiIospllates and Cbemicals Limited, is expected to be reached by the end of
Amjbore 1969.

7. SHRI BABURAO PATEL: Will Cb) The present daily output of pyrite
the Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHE- is 200-225 tonnes. The cost of mining
MICALS AND MINES AND METALS is tentatively' assessed at 224/- per tonne
be pleased to state: including a return of 10% on employed
capital.
(a) whether it is a fact that after eight
IODg years, the Pyrites. Phosphates and Che- (c) No, Sir. To utilise the pyrite ore
micals Limited, at Amjhore, has not been the company has already set up a Sulphuric
S9 Writ/en Answers JULY 21, 1969 Writ/a Allswers

Acid Plant at Sindri (which has since been 2. His Highness The Maharajah Fateh-
fransferred to the Fertilizer Corporation of singhrao P. Gaekwad, Laxmi Nivas
India Limited). The acid Plant is under- Palace, Baroda.
going trials.
3. H.E.H. the Nimm's Miscellaneous
(d) Shri N. N. Kashyap and Dr. G. P. Trust, King Kothi, Hyderabad.
Kane were the members of the delegation
which visited Finland from 3rd to 8th
*4. Late Maharajadhiraja Dr. Sri
March, 1964.
Kameshwar Prasad Singh of Dbar-
bhanga.
(e) Yes, Sir. With a view to find econo-
mic solutions to the various problems of min-
ing at Amjhore including beneficiation etc., OS. H.E.H. the Late Nizam Sir Mir
the company has made preliminary enquiries Osman Ali Khan Bahadur through
from various Consultancy agencies in the Legal Representatives, King Kothi,
country. The offers received are at present Hyderabad;
under consideration.
6. H.H. Sir Rama Varma, Maharajah of
Persons with Wealth of Rs. one crore Travancore, Kowdiar Palace,
and obove Trivandrum.
8. SHRI BABURAO PATEL: Will 7. H.H. Vikramsinghji, Gondal.
the Minister of FINANCE' be pleased to
state:
8. H.H. Maharao Shri Madansinghji
(a) the number of rich persons having
Saheb of Kutch, Bhuj.
total wealth of Rs. I crore and over during
the last five yea~s, year-wise; and
*9. H.U.F. of Latc H.H.J.M. Seindia of
(b) the name of the top len persons with Gwalior, by Legal Representatives,
wealth over Rs. 1 crore during the year Samundra Mahal, Worli, Bombay.
1967-681
*10. Shri V. M. Salgaonkar, Vasco, Goa.
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF' FINANCE (SHRI P. C. - *On the basis of Return of Wealth Tax.
SETHI): (a> The information required is
given below :
SupplIes made to Northern Branch Depots
ofl.O.C.
Year Number of Person.
1963-64 26 9. SHRI ABDUL GHANI DAR :
1964-65 34 Will the Minister ofPETROLEUM AND
1965-66 32 CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
1966-67 29 be pleased to state :
1967-68 24
(a) Ihe tolal supplies of Petrol, HSD,
LDO, SKO, IKO, MTO and' Lubricant and
(b) As given in the statement. Industrial oils made to Northern Branch
Statement Depots viz. Kanpur, Shakurbasti, Jaipur,
Agra, Hissar, Ambala, Patiala, Ferozepore,
Names of Ihe top len persons with wseallh Jullundur, Pathankot, Lucknow, Gorakhpur,
over rupees 1 Crore during the year 1967-68. Bareilly and Barabanki of each product in
each years; and
SI. No. Name of Persons
(b) whether the scheduled increase in
supply was upto the mark, if not, the reasons
01. Shri V. D. Chougule, Vasco, Goa. for the same ?
61 Written Answers ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Writ/en Answers 62

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Royalty from Books and otbel' Sources
MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND Recel.ed by Prime Minister
CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
(SHRI D. R. CHAVAN) : (a) and (b). The 11. SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA:
required information is being collected and Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased
will be laid on the Tahle of House in due to state:
course.
(a) the amount of Royalty from books,
OIFicers OD study tour abarod records and other sources received by the
Prime Minister from any foreign country in
the last three years;
10. SHRI ABDUL GHANI DAR
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased (h) the name of the ;ountry along with
to state: the amount received each year;

(a) the number of officers who were (e) the reasons for receiving the royalty
given foreign exchange for study of petro- from ea~h country;
leum products and medicine (chemicals) (d) whether the money of royalty received
abroad during the last three yea rs upto 15th in the last three years was deposited by her
June, 1969; and in any foreign bank; and

(b) their names, foreign exchange (e) if so, the name of the bank or banks
permitted, dates and object of their -tours? along with the names of the countries?
THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE OF FINANCE, MINISTER OF ATOMIC
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C. ENERGY AND MINISTER OF PLAN-
SETHI: (a) and (b). The information is NING (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDID):
being collected and will be laid on the Table (a) and (b). A statement is placed on the
of the House as soon as it is available. Table of the House.

Statement

Name of the country Year &. amount Year &. amount Year &. amount
from which roya Ity 1966-67 1967·68 1968-69
received.

Rs. P. Rs. P. Rs. P.


Britain 1,031·17 1,139·47 540-29
Ceylon 21-90 568-11 Nil
Denmark 27-02 Nil 5()'OO
U.S.A. 4,209-08 4,133-58 5,077-00
U.S.S.R. 4,620-67 Nil Nil
Japan Nil 16,506-57 Nil

(e) These amounts represent the royalty on account of books written by late Shri
Jawaharlal Nehru.

(d) No Sir.

(e) DOes not arise.


63 Writ/en Answers JULY 21,1969 Written Answers 64

Loans Given to Cold Storages THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE


MINISTR Y OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C.
12. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU: Will SETHI) : (a) Neither the Industrial Finance
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to Corporation of India nor the Industrial
state: Development Bank nf India has so far
sanctioned any loan or extended other finan-
(a) the name and other particulars of the
cial assistance to any cold storage unit in
owners of cold storages in West Bengal which
West BenJIII. However, the erstwhile
have secured loans from Central authorities;
Refinance Corporation fnr Industry Limited
(b) whether Government have any scheme which was taken over by the Industrial
to establish effective control over the Develnpment Bank of India had granted
working nf the cold storages; and refinance assistance in respect of loan. to
two units through the West Bengal Financial
(c) if not, the reasons therefor? Corporation as Ii nder:-

Date of Name of concerns Name of Directors Amount of Amount


sanction refinance outstanding.
sanctioned
and disbursed
(In lakhs of rupees)

15·11-63 S.R. Cold Storage Shri Sayadul Haque 4.50 3.00


(Proprietory concern) (Proprietor)
2-7-63 Pandua Cold Storage i) Shri Biswanath
Private Limited. Jhunjhunwala 4.50 2.00
ii) Shri Biswanath
Khemka
i,ii) Shri Bhrigunath
Prasad

9.00 5.00

Information about loans, ·if any, given (iii) to help the growers in storing their
by the National Cooperative Development products on Payment of reasonable
Corporation is being collected and will be charges.
laid on the Table of the House.
(iv) to render technical assistance and
(b) and (c). Government of India advise to all the cold storage owners.
(Department of Food) have promulgated
Cold Storage Order, 1964 under Section 3 of Under this Order all the Cold Storage
the Essential Commodities Act, 1955 with owners are required to take a licence from
effect from 1-1-1965 with the following the Department of Food which is renewed
objectives:- every year. The implementation of the
order is carried out through the field staff
(i) To develnp the Cold Storage indus- in that Department who inspect all the cold
try in the country on modem storages periodically to ensure that hygienic
scientific lines. conditions are maintained inside as well as'
outside the cold storage and that proper
(ii) To regulate storage conditions of temperature and humidity conditions are
perishable foodstuffs in Cold Storages maintained inside the cold storage chambers
and to ensure that the Cold Storqes to ensure proper preservation of perishables.
arc run efficiently as well as economi- They also draw samples of foodstuffs stored
cally. to examine effect of ltorqc on quality.
65 Writ/en Answer.. ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) 66

In case of the West &0l1li1, however, lopment Bailk of India bas not introduced
.consequent upon enactment of West Bengal . any special scheme to assist the bandJoom •
Cold Storage (Licencing and Regulation) industry in·tbe coUlltry as such, nor bas it
Act, 1966, the Central Cold Storage Order granted any assistance to tbe industry SO
has been withdrawn from that State with far. The industry being in the small scale
effect from 1-5-1969. sector, would, however, benefit from tbe
following relaxations made in the Develop.
Income Tax evaders in Film Industry IDCIIt Bank's scbemes for refinancing of
industrial loans and rediscounting of bills:
13. SHRI N. R. DEOGHARE:
SHRI p. N. SOLANKI: (i) The minimum amount of loan eligible
for refinance was reduced from Its. 1
Will the Minister of FINANCE be lakb to Rs. 20,000 in the case of
pleased to state: loans to small scale units which are
covered under tbe Credit Guarantee
(a) the number of Income-tax evaders in Scheme of tbe Government of India
Ihe Film Industry which have come to the and the amount of refinance was
notice of Government during the yean raised from 8O%to 100%.
1966-67, i967-68 and 1968-69;
(ii) A concessinnal rate of 41% per
(b) the amount of tax arrears outstanding
annum was introduced for refinance
against each evader; and
of such loans to small scale units
covered under the Credit Guarantee
(c) the steps being taken to realise the
Scheme provided the effective rate of
amount?
interest charged by the Janding
institulion did not exceed 8 % per
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
annum.
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C.
SETHI): (a). The information about the
number of persons in the film industry in (iii) The minimum aBlOunt of a transac-
whose cases concealment of income had tion covering a ..t of bills under the
been detected during the years 1966-67 to rediscounting scbeme was ·reduced
1968-69 is being collected and will be laid from Rs. SO,OOO to Rs. 10,000 in
on the Table of the House. the case of machinery otber tban
asricultural implements (for which
(b) and (c). The information in respect there was no minimum) and the
of the persons mentioned in reply to part (a) guarantee of an insurance company
above is being collected and will be laid on in lieu of a bank was made accepta-
the Table of the House. ble for transactions not exceeding
Rs. 3 Iakha in nospeot of a single
Industrial Development Baak's belp to .pun:--.
Handloom Industry
AsMIIInce given "" lDdia to nder-developed
14. SHRI N. R. DEOGHAIU!: Will tbe Countries
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state:
IS. SHRl N. R. DEOGHARE: Will
(8) whether the Industrial Development
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
Bank of India has introduced a new scbeme
state:
to help the handloom industry in tbe
country; and .
(a) the antount of financial and techni-
(b) if so, the broad outlInes of the cal assistance given by India during the
scbeme? last three years to under-dcveloped countries;
and
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN mE
MINISTR Y OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C. (b) the names of the countries and
SETHI): (a) and (b). The Industrial Deve- extent of the assistance given to each ?
67 Wrillm Answers JULY 21. 11169 Written AIlS .....,. 68

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE National Income and per Capita


MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C. Income in tbe Country
SETHI): (a) and (b). A statement which 16. SHRI N. R. DEOGHARE: Will the
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state:
gives the required information in respect of
(a) the national income and per capita
programmes administered by the Ministry of income in the country during the last three
Finance is laid on the Table of the House. yean; and
[P[ac,d in library. See. No. LT-I258/69]. (b).the trend of income from industrial
Information in respect of programmes and asricultural Sector?
administered by other agencies is being THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTR Y OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C.
collected and will be laid on the Table of tbe
SETHI): (a) and (b). The information
House. [Placm in Library. See No. LT-I258 available upto 1967-68, is liven in the
/69.] enclosed statement.

Statemelft

Estimates of National Income


(at 1960-61 prices) Percentage increase
1965·66· 1966-67· 1967-68· 1966-67 1967-68
over over
1965-66 1966-67

National Inoome
(Rs. crores) IS045 15173 16525 0.9 8.9
Per capita income
(Rs.) 307.3 302.4 321.3 -1.6 6.2
Income from qricult.ural
scctor"* (Rs. c:ron:s) 6421 6411 7560 ~.2 17.9
Inoome from
Industrial acctort
(Rs. c:ron:s) 3651 3670 . 3689 -0.5 0.5

*Includes agriculture. forestry and louing and fishing.


tInciudes large-scaIe manufacturing. small-scale manufactunns. mining and
quarryinl. construction electricity. gas and water supply.

CeIItraI LoaDS Due From State ~ent. SHRI HUKAM CHAND KACHWAI:
SHRI N. R. DEOGHARE:
17. DR. SUSHILA NAYYAR:
Will the Minister of FINANCE be plea-
SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI: sed to state:
SHRI V. NARASIMHA RAO:
(a) Whether it is a fact that the Jammu
SHRI A. SREEDHARAN:
and Kashmir Government have to repay
SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: 84 % of tbe Central Loan and interests;
SHRI CHENGALARAYA NAIDU:
(b) the details of the Central loans and
SHRI N. R. LASKAR: interest due from other State Governments;
SHRI R. BARUA: and
SHRI G. C. DIXIT: (c) wbether Government propose to treat
SHRI BHOLA NATH MAstER: auch amount as grants and if not, the reasons
SHRI BHARAT SINGH CHAUHAN: therefor?
69 Written An,wers ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Writun Answq, 70

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (;r) ~r ~"II"T " ~ f.!; ~ it leo


i!i+'JirT iIiT arior, 1966 if 4,73,550 m
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C.
SETHI): (a) and (b). A statement showing the
amounts of Central loans outstanding against ~~~Wr if~~
the State Governments as on 31st March,
1969 is laid on the Table of the Housc.
¥, 1966 if pr '-11; am:
[Placed in Library. See No. LT-1259/69j Pre-
sumably, the information asked is in regard (11") lIft~, at ~~ if mf1r.r
to amounts which had fallen due upto the
end of 1968-69 but were not paid by the Oll"f~iIi 'flIT ;mr ~ ~ ~ .am:
State Governments. In the casc of Govern- iii flfq 'flIT ~ iIiT ;rf ~ t am:
ment of Jammu and Kashmir, loan instal-
ments aggregating Rs. 29.52 crores together ~ iIiT U~
if ~ iii forit 'flIT ~
with intetest of Rs. 20.32 croreshad fallen ~~ ~~t?
due, but recovery thereof was postponed in
March, 1969 at the request of the State
Government. Besides, the Government of
West Bengal had defaulted in the payment of
mr ~ihlW11'~ (-nsro.to ~):
Central dues. They have partially settled (~) am: (Iir): awr ~ iii arrU<ff
these dues in the current year, the residuary <til""I'f;f-~~;;n1:i!T~1 ;;rt'l"~
defaults being now of the order of Rs. 171
crores. The Question of the recovery of aM ~ '[U ~ ~ t am: ~-f.l~
these dues is under correspondence with the ~ m\T~, am: ~ ~OT ~ ;ra"AT
~ ~ t f~ f.Itrifuit it arq;ft iII1l<
State Governments.

T'l~ 11fT am: qfe: ~ 9ft, at ~ 1Tlft


(c) No. Sir. Repayments by the State
Governments constitute a resource for the iII1l< mr srm: ~ if ~ 1Tlft I
Centre and writing off of any portion of the
loans advanced to them would affect the
Centre's capacity to finance its plan and the ( 'I" ) U>l'lf 0ll"m1: f';!1r1r it f,,'fJifcit
State Plans. ~) «
ati<; arIV;~, 1966 ~ ~ ;rit ~
iii m if~, 1966 if 3,85,719 ~
~~~~wu ~ arftrfffif amqrrT ~ it, 'tli'ff~ ~
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73 Written A",wI!Ts ASADHA 30, 11191 (SAKA) Written A".wer. 74

1969 !!iT FI' 'IT I to the All India Insurance Employe.'


Association are opposed to the installation
('11') ~ fq,m:-foI1m
flfW q-(
of a computer in Calcutta.

01fT ~ ~ f~9iTfuff ~ ~ it (b) The State Government informed the


~ fqcroJr ~ <mr, q-( <:1!!T arm ~ I Chairman, L.LC. that it c:ould help in the
[~it ~ feln'11n' tfiA WIT installation of the computer in Calcutta only
if the L. I. C. was able to convince the All
LT-1260/69] India lnsurance Employees' AlIOCiation refer-
red to above, of the need for a computer in
(IT) ~ f~fuff q~ ~T arror Calcutta.
'Il':;ft~~ I ~f~~'!ITmiN
~ IS ""'11' m
~ 25 <'fR'f ~qit 01fT
(e) It is for the L.1.C. to consider the
matter in the fint instance.
~ ~ if 30 ~ m tJiI; ~it 'lIT
ReiDstatemeat of Retreached Workmeu In
~ flI;1rr fIlIT ~ I the Port Canning Project

~ if f~ ~ ~t~ '!IT f«'lilmr 22. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Will


~tfi ~~~ .f~ ;;rr ~' tbe Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHE-
MICALS AND MINES AND METALS
~ --~ f~ if R;m;IT qfOO"1"11311 ~ be pleased to state:
fuit~"'lT ~ ~ ~ ~
fl'!or.t if ~.. ~ "1R'.rot ~ r.ro;;
~ ~
(a) whetber it is a fact that some
Members of Parliament have urged him to
01fT~~,~ ~ if ~ f~ order reinstatement of all retrenched conti-
01fT fif;m;IT~" Wff"iTTaTT ~ ~ ngent workmen in the ~rt Canning Project

fcrn1i! ;mlll~" f~ m ~ ~ I
of the Oil and Natural Gas Commission in
West Bongal;

~.. f~l q-( ~ arllI'ttr, (b) if 10, whether orders have been issued
~f.:'f/O ~ Jf!rr<'f1if 01fT mlf ~ and

ij; <ru~ ~ f.Rm: f~ 'lIT ~T ~ r (e) if not, the reasons for the delay?

Introduction of Electronic CGlllJlaters ia THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE


L. I. C. Calcutta MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
21. SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: Will the Minis- (SHRI D. R. CHAVAN): (a> Yes.
ter of FINANCE be pleased to state:
(b) and (c). The Oil and Natural Gas
(a) whether there is a growing discon- Commission propose 10 absorb the contingent
tent among the Life Insurance Corporation employees, rendered surplus in the Port
employees regarding the installation of elect- Canning Project in other projects. Only to
ronic computers in Calcutta; the e>rtent that this will not be found possible
there would be DO other alternative than to
(b) whether the State Government of terminate the services of the contingent
West Bengal have also opposed the intro- workmen.
duction of electronic computers; and

(c) if so, the reaction of the Central


ftr;nf ~ if '!f4
Government thereof? 23. eft ~ umtl: ~ n..tf
"",~~~~~~;Ritf.l;:
THE DEPUTY MINISlER IN THE
MINISTR Y OF FINANCE (SHRf JAG AN-
NATH PAHADlA): (a) Emple>yees belc;lllllng {Ii ) ~ lI"{ Vi" ~ f.I; m'IT 3fTlIT1J"
7S Written A.nswers JULY 21. 1969 Wrillen A.nswers 76

au;nrm:if>lif I!i't ~~ it mit; 2 ~t: 'U;nr ~ '" ~


~ ~ it; arrm 'I"{ fu;n~ 'til: it il"r.r f.If~ ~ ~ flfm ~ I
~ if;T 'Rmi' fW ~; •
3q;smr: ~ ~~q~ ~
(\If) ~~. cit;m~~~tfit; ~t~u;nrm:<liT"{~ ~f~
aA~ ~ if lft~ aniftlr 'Ill" ~ ftrq;rfur w ;it ~ ~ ;r@' ~ I
'tiT fifWf f~ ~;
4 8fq;n~ : ~-~ sromr'\' I!i't
(tT) If~~, cit ~ fu'q;yfw 'tiT f~ ~ ~ it; ~,u;nr ~ fu;rr~
u;nrr i't fcrUtJ f~ ~ tm f~ 'U:nif i't W I!i't ~ it; ~ 'I"{ f.!;m: 'til: ~'\' ~ I
~ f~~; ~ 5 ,,~: f'l~ ffi 'tiT cri;rr, f;;m;!iT
m~ 1965 it f~1fT tTIfT 'fT: mmvRl':
(iii") ~ m it ~T"{ iIl't ;m sITcr- f;r;;rforlfC'lT ~rll"rcr ~r fu'q;rfurrl!i't ~ it
mr~ ? ~ 'til: il"rTIIT tTIfT 'fT ~ if ~ <'mf ~i't
mif 'Ill";;ror ~rl!i't oro rn 'Ill" ~
RI;nf "'" mr.cr
~ if ~ ~ :
'I"{ ~~ fiR'r<: m it; q~ fiff~
(~tq'!I~U~N): (~) '" (1iI").~
~ ~ <mIT ~ um..omr 'I"{
ifIT ~ ~ I ~ij' ~If ~ ~Trn '!>(if\'
qig;fp:r ;r@' ~ I
~;;rm~1
6 'iW{ smr : A'~ <rfirfu ~'\'
~ fn;rfuiT ~T ~ '!>(if\' rn ;r@' ~;
~,<fq mll"r~ ~ it; fori!;
( ~) '" (tT). finrft;r1fC'lT mli"fcr iIl't ~"{~f.mfur'til: l\''\'~t I
fut!iTfuif 'I"{ IfllJTfur lft;;r;IT amWr mr
f'li11; ~ flmt~ '" 'ret ;r.raT ~ fifi ~ ( 1iI") ~ ~ 'I"{ W!fr it; f~;rrt if
it; forI!; ~m;r;if I!i't ~ rn ff'fT f~ ~'\' 'If'Jllff it; II"~, 1969 it gl!; ~

m!f);;riI1afr '" mftIf orro I!i't ;mit it; ~'\' ~ ~<'I'i\' it fif'fT"{ fit;1fT tTIfT 'fT I

~aw~m,~, ~~"{, ~i't~~if fW'fTf~~ I!i't


q;;oar ~ ~mit; ~it f~ ~I!; fit; iI" fi:r;rrf ~aff 'I"{ 'fl'f'\'
~'fiT~'Ill"1~~1 ~~ 'Ill"~rl!i't ;af'ifCf~'" ~f ~ ~ ~
'Ill" 'I!;~ sITcrft;rfir 'U>nr~r 'fiT 1I"f'if,1968 ~~~forI!;~'(lii ~Trn~
it ~>if ~ iii vfT iilfn: m ~TIiI" f~ fori!; ~ fcr;mr ~l\' mY 'lift;qcrlir.iTlf
tTIfT "iT fit; iI" f.rmr ~ it; fori!; ·'fIffccr ~i;;lft!f 4'0<i111>'t ;;mt crrf.f; atf.t crroft
~ w::~ ~ it; ~~ it arqit-iilf'f.t ~cro#fl!i't~f~;;rr~~ I ~~
~ ;tt ~ ~ w '"
~ ft:"ifcr'
'Ill" ~ it 'fl'fT ;tt ~ 'lit ~i't it;
'tiT $i\(I'I+i'I'M ~i I ~ 'U;nff~ ~ f<'!'l!; Gqlq~lf('" mcrr@ rn it; f<'ll!; ~T
~ ~~, i\T1m: ~ mY, rf;;rr;r,
f~cr~1
~, >ifRJ: ~~, ~"{llTVJT ~
1 amRsmr: m6""~~ ~"TIf rnr ~~ rnr ~ fu;rr~ ~
~ it 100 srftrmr ,!r.r lift tTt vfT ~ ~ ~T ~~ ~T 4'Qifi' rn 'tiT fif;m ~ I fijifie
~W!fit f~w'tiT ~II>W 1ff'i(1IIf it ar"i 1if'l'f it; 1I"f.~ 'liT ~ Q:m
~Wfil"i[i~1 ~ rn 'tiT fiRI"{ ~ I
77 W,illen Answers ASADHA 30. 1891 (SAKA) Written Aruwers 78

Nationalisation of Coking Coal Mines (d) whether any action is being taken
against the Refinery OfIicers; and
24. SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI:
SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: (e) whether it has been disclosed that
SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA: petroleum products are beins illegally taken
SHRI YOGENDRA SHARMA: out and sold in the market without their
SHRI RABI RAY: beiog accounted for?
SHRI DHlRESWAR KAUTA:
THE MINISTER OF STATE INTHE
Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
be pleased to state: (SHRI D. R. CHAVAN): (a) Not yet. How-
ever, this report is expected on 21st July,
1969.
(a) whether the questioo of oationali-
satioo of private Coking Coal Mines at Jhuia
(b) to (e). Do not arise.
was discussed at the recently held coofereoc:e
of the heads .of public sector units uoder the
Department of Mines and Metals; and Ind7gs IIIId Pharmaceuticals Ltd.

26. SHRI MADHU LlMAYE: Will


(b) if so, the decisioo takeo by the con-
the Minister of PETROLEUM AND
ferenee on the subject ?
CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
be pleased to state:
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND CHE- (a) whether Government have taken any
MICALS AND MINES AND METALS action on the Memo submitted by a Member
(SHRI JAGANATH RAO): (a) aod (b). of Parliament 00 the lodian Drugs and
The question of augmentiog Coking Coal Pharmaceuticals Limited aod on the Report
productioo from the areas held by private of Public UndertakiD& Committee on the
sector in the Jharia coalfield, if oecessary same subject;
by progressive nationalisatioo, was
considered at the Conferenee of Heads of (b) whether it is a fact that the capital
Public Sector Undertakiogs under the Depart- cost of the Rishikesh Project has gone up by
ment of Mioes and Metals but no decisioo more than 60 percent over the original esti-
was taken. mate of 1961;

Barauni Refinery Discharge and Ganga (c) whetber it is also a fact that the
. Pollution Committee Cabinet was informed about this huge io-
crease;
./
25. SHRI MADHU LlMAYE:
SHRI SHIVA CHANDRA JHA: (d) whether it is further a fact that the
SHRIMATI JYOTSNA CHANDA: collaborators do not have sufticieot know-how
io respect of some products proposed to be
manufactUred there; and
Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
Ce) if so, the impact of all this 00 the
be pleased to state:
production programme and the prices to be
charged from the consumers?
(a) whether the Barauni Refioery Dis-
charge and Ganga Pollution Committee has
submitted its report; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
(b) if so, the maio conclusion thereof; (SHRI D. R. CHAVAN): (a) It is presumed
the Hon 'ble Member is referring to the letter
(c) whether aoy compensation is being dated 3rd April, 1968 sent by him to the
paid to Monghyr Muoicipality; PriQIII MiDIster. It. feply was sent to the
79 Written AlISWers JULy 21, 1969 Writtfm Answers 80

Hon'able Member on tho 22nd Iuly, 1968 by ~ am: \;.f ~ it; ~ i!iT ~~C1
• the then Minister of Petroleum and Chemi-
cals. The Report of the Public Undertakings iR~'I\"f~l~; am:
Committee on the Indian Drugs and Pharma-
ceuticals Ltd. is under consideration. ( liT) lIft~, m~eiI; ~ ornur ~ ?
(b) Yes. ~ CNI qftm m~ aih:
~ammrCNI~ ~ mm
(c) No.
if~ ~ (~oro \t0~) : ('1\")
(d) It is not correct to say ·tbat the ~ (liT). ~~t ~
collaborators do not have the know-how 'Iit~~~CJ'if1arm~
necessary for the manufacture of the se1ectecl
products. ifift f~ f'li w.r~ Olffitctlll 'lit orR
~ ~ it; ~ 3IT1f ~ it; ornur ifift I
(e) The increaae in the cadital cost has
. resulted in some increase in the cost of pro- it ~CI": fiflliffi ~ ~ ~, ~
duction. But there are nD ·sood reasons to ~0IiIil <t)' at'R ~ ~'f 3fO!fcrf~
think that this will necessarily lead to un- ttfit; ~iJ;T~~. "fT~it;
reasonable prices being c:harFd from the
consumers. ~<: c;;r;r, flw.!1
f.r'f1f arfliff'fllif.
~<:
~ fwft fim~ ~ ~ it
m.n if ar-n1fll8 ~ flrfircr f.l;1!;
tf!!; ~ I Cl"'flfir, ~~ <'ITm-

27. '-lit~'"": ~;muff 1IiT ~ ~ ~ .. "'h4ifiClI


'-lit1Rfml~: it; srfCl" ~tf ~ I f~~ ;pJ<: f.rJT1f ~ ~
~~fUrl'ft: ~ 103 ~ i!iT f.r4fiI'CI" ifi~ iJ;T
iJ;T;r ~ f<'llfr ~ I «m ~l, lfiIi1'if
'-lit~smR~:
"11 aft1f nm ~ : ;rffi;r;t;l mr f.rt;m snm: fu1: ~ it; om:
"'1~mqwr~ ~: ~ ~ it "f.r4fircr"~1 t<'ITifl
'-lit 11m1\'( fq: 1fifiAT i!iT ar.r.r '1\"1 qf~ ~ f.r;rnr fG4'T
"fT4lTT I CIl:JTfq- ~, ;rrli, 'fT;t, iil"1'ft ~
~ ~ CNI qftm ~ir.f aih: ~flA; W~ it; R:rl!; ~~ er.rl
~, ammr ft'I'f ~ ~ Ii'lfi If& (\;.f ~ ~ iERT ~, lift i!iTf ~) 'l\"T,
iffiT~ ~ ~ m f'l\" : ~ ;rn:itf'flll it arf"fCl" f'l\"lfT "fTlftfT aiR

('1\") ~r If& ~ ~ f'l\" ~'Im: ~ f~JT1f mr ~ft.t; W~ am: ~flA;


~ 'lit 0lJ'i1'r0 m it; ~ it ~
~~~it;ornur~ifor~
maro~ ilf~ iJ;T f.:ririvr prr ~ am: "fTlf'lr I

~ ilf~ it ..mit ~1Il ~ \'!Ttra it; f,mif ~ 1 ~, 1967 CI"'I\" ~


"l1"A1 iJ;T f.:ririvr f.t;i:rr tt~ ~ ; ~ fif1lfuff 'I\"f rilllVT '1ft f'l\"lfT ~ I
rilllVT ~ 101 ~~ ~ ifiT<'itf.r41 'I\"f
(I>r) ~ lfir '1ft ~ ~ R; ~
w 'forr ~ I ~ it ~ 68 ft&rzro1 ~ it
ay;r ~ ilf~ 'l\"T ~ ~ it ~'f
'f.P&f L
CIl:JT 33 ~~f am: ......
~~
(~A.;rr.!Ii1f1rtf) ~r it ~ ~ I ~
(tt) lIft~, m~~IfiT~ ~l t m it or;;i;r it; iJ;Tif 'liT ~R
~ irfurlIl <r.T, f:iJ"fil>f f.:ririvr ~n: ~ '!U m 'I\"f f.rvilf f~ ~ ~, Cl"rf!f; ~
oHITif1im t .~ prr ~, ~ ~ iJ;T artil' ~ frrIJfur '1ft lf~" ~~ I
81 W,illen An.wers ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) W,illen Answers 82

ar;;f;r ilir
~ il; ~ ~ II"{, ~ ;rq;if 'Wir<f~1 lif" il; lI"l1T<if il; ifiRUT q;wr;r <iU'f
31Tf,{ il; arf~fuRr ;;it ~ q., ;rT~ il; arf"1"- il; ~ Sl'fT,,", II"{ ~"'t arm: ~rrT ~ am:
<m' II"{, ~ m~fll"ifi Cf'fT 0Rf ~~ il; lfrt'T'Iim il; ~ il;~ ~tl
~ ~~ l:f~ II"{ ~ ~. Wlr am: ;rq;r, 'llf~ifir~'liT ~r~ ~~
~ ;ffl1'l'A" ~ 'liT <m fifil!; ;;wiiT I tfifi ~ qf~);;r;rr aN'r'f
ffln: fiI1rn ifiT
W~ il;;r.r ~ il; OI1lIR II"{ ~ iiTJil"/ft I amm: Of~ iI'f ~ I

1 ~r. 1967 il; ~ iA'rt ~


~T 'liT tiro fw \iI'1'lfrrr I fimft ~ .mf ;it ~ if;;rR II"{ ri
F fiRm YT
lim lI\i;rm; qf~"tir.n
29. ~ ~ <'m'f :
28. ~;go~:
anq qm <In'ft :
~~~~:
~
~ U1f ~ fW1'if :
~~~: ~ aitIf Rm .tq'JIft' :
~ ;n'Uq1If ~ ~ :
~1QmI' ~: 'tll"Tfim~r~iI'6'f.r ifir ~ rn
IIlT~: fiI;:
~ U1f ~ fW1'if : (iii) ~ ;r fffirT ~ ~
lilT fltifur ~ ~ m : mm ;it ~ if ~ il; ft;rit 1965 ~ 1968

'tqr fAtf ~ mr.<r 1j;r"'t ll"l! iI'6'f.r ~ifi, !f1f-<rl', fiI;o;ft flI;cr;ft f.mtT ~ ri
i!1t~rnfifi: i!1t t;
(ifi) 'tll"T i:Ilf~;m: ~r ~ fiI; (~) ~~)'t~ qq'f if fiI;«-f~ ~ ~
ffln: f~-f~ If'm: il; CfifiOf"'ti!1t mrr ~ if~·
an{
~ ifiT Ifm~ qf~-
1I)Gr;rr il; ;rilr il; ~ it Ifm oro II"{ ~ ~ ~ ft;rit mitifi ~ ~ f'WolT-
~m~~ifiT~, f~ il;'f<'T~ f~v.r-r~ rrlIT;
~ifi)@mffOf~ ~ ar~lfrt'T'liffi" (tT) ffitTT ~ ~ if ~ il;
am:
~ifir
~ftqr;{r it ~iiI" iiTTil'rrr; ft;rit ~ 'I''ifII'IfflIlihrrr if f'iI;a;fT ufu-
(~) ~~, 0) ~ m it ~ ifir f.Ilro i!1t ~ t ;
'tll"T srfu~ ~? ('!f) 'tll"T CfifiOO .ntrT !f;) ~ if ;;rr;r
~~mt<r"~ if ~~ ~ ~i1f.crcr f.rl!1IT am:;ftftr if ~~ qf~­

(~fq"~ smN): (iii) an~ (~). ;ffl;r rn ifiT ~ ifiT ffln: t; am:
~ ;r ~ifi ~f;r <mi!1t~ mrif
'.{lff.'IT~ if ,!1~ ifiT ~ m-
ron-if ~ 2;r1\'T ~ Q'i{llT il; oro
dm: ~ ~ <rUlif ifiT f.nriur ~ ~ I ~ mt' ,,~""' if ~ ~ (~lto ~o
<rUlif ij- 'llRO ~ ~ DIIT'fifi ~~ it ;;r<;- mT): (iii) am: (~). ~ i!1t it;;r II"{ ~
~ am: iIiCTiiI" arrR il; ~ it ifiTqIT fiIqw ~ ~ rrlIT t furi:i 1965-66,
~ ~rrT I ~ if Ifm ii[U;;r if; 1966-67, 1967~68 am: m"'fl", 1968 if
B3 Wrillen AIISwers JULY 21,1969 Written Answers 84

~ ~T \iIr.IlmT lliT tfim ~- am: ~ qf<fp-Ifdlfl ~ l:IT ~ mf~-


.;fAil' <.'r'l1 .......HllfClifi ~ iii ~;:Iif 1f faif ~ ~, ~ ;pft ~ l:IT
~ iii) 1t;;IT tflft ~ lIiT m~ .....m ~ om arr~ififfi" ~~, m~««I':
f4l:IT ttl:IT t I [~1f"(w m, "'" I r.mrr trifiift'l>T ~ '!>my ;tT iII'<IN
~ . n.n LT-1261/691] it <:lIi1f ~ ~om ~~~ ~ I ~~T
~'tt ~ f" ... f... f<!ld ~ iii ~ 1t;;IT • ~ !fim: iII'<IN iii ~ 1f, iR om
tflif~:- ~: ~~ ~ommmr~5
iflf ~ lliT iII'<IN ~ ;;mit ~ om t
~ 10 iflf arqfiT ~ lilt ~ ~T I om
flmft~qili~~~rn iii
(~) f.!1riur-~, f.;mit f;n:;r-f<;jmff ~ 1f f.rI:If~ ~ ~ f.mrlIi am:
~~:- f~iA"1fl:IT tl
1.~~ -rom: f~ ~ ~ ;;rA"mT
2.
~ ar~ ~ ai\;im: ~ rn ~ ~~ lfr¥T il'Tf~ ar'tt
3. mrT1If.rlIi ~ am: ~ ~ ~ 1f ~ rn iii f.rnt ~ 'Sffi!TCr
4. fir;;r.fl' lIiT ~ am: ~ ~·~~~~111i<:~1
5. tm! am: tm! ~ iA ~
6. Air COllditiOller5 for the Use of M .Ps.

30. SHRI E.K. NAYANAR:


(II') ~ifI1t SHRI VISWANATHA MENON:
SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU:
~T tflft ~ <:lIi~ lIiT ~ .....m SHRI NAMBIAR:
~~tl SHRI P. GOPALAN:
SHRI P. P. ESTHOSE:
(II') f.mff ~ trifiiftlliT ~ ~ SHRI UMANATH:
SHRI K. ANIRUDHAN:
rnij;~~~~om
arcrN 1f 1Ii~ l!mi' ~ ~ ~ lliT Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
tflft t I FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS,
HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT
('f) am: (5'). ~ l!mi'-l!mi' ~.n
be pleased to state: .

1f f.mff ~ ~T ~T ~ lli<:it (a) the total number of Air-Conditioners


om iftfif ~ ~ cm;r<: 3f1r.I' iii<: with the C.P.W.D. for the use of Members

t
of Parliament;
~ ~ ~ 1f fimft' ~~q lilt
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ;;mrr, (b) the number of air-conditioners which
are not working properly;
~ iIT~ ~ 1f ~ 1f 0lTlfi;;rr
m cmft ~ 1f ~ ~T;;rr;:r<mT ll'T (e) whether Government have received
some complaints about the bad condition of
dl ~ ~ ~ 1f :mrar ~ l:IT f.;miI; ~
~ 1f f.rlIim f.Iiit ;;rrit ~~ ~ I om these air·conditioners;

fimft' ~~ ~ am: ~-mrr (d) the total cost incurred by Govern-


ment for maintainill/l these air conditioneR;
~ <'l1TIm: f.rItw ~ 'R rn iii flr-<m: and
~,w iii ap;f( ~1fGIT aft<: f.rlIim..lli11f (e) the steps taken by Government in
rn ~ arm Q f4l:IT ;;rr ~ t I this matter ?
8S Wrillen Answers ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Written Answers 86

TIlE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (b) The information is given in the


MINISTRY OF HEALTII AND FAMILY stalemen t laid on tbe Table of the House.)
PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING [Placed in Library. See. No. LT-1262/69]
AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI
B. S. MURTIlY): (a) No air·copditiooers (c) Rs. 5,64,920
have been purchased for the use of M.Ps.
However, 7 air-conditioners have been issued Payment by I.O.C. to Suppliers of Barrels
to the M.Ps. during this season from the
Ministers' Pool. 32. SHRI E. K. NAYANAR:
SHRI B. K. MODAK :
(b) None at present. SHRI NAMBIAR :
SHRI BHAGABAN DAS :
(c) Yes, Sir, only onoe.
Will tbe Minister of PETROLEUM AND
(d) No separate accunts are kept for CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
the maintenance of air conditioners issued to be pleased to state:
M.Ps. The approximate monthly cost of
maintenance of seven air-conditioners supplied <a, whether it is a fact that tbe Indian
to M.Ps. is Rs. 260/-. Oil Corporation has made tbe payment to
suppliers of Bsrrels at Calcutta and Bombay
(e) The Break-do~n was not due to any witbout verifying the Invoices;
defect in the air-conditioner but due to Voltage
fluctuations. The C.P.W.D. is taking steps (b) if so, the total loss incurred;
to ensure that timely remedial measures are
taken to prevent such failures in future. (c) whether Government have enquired
into the matter;
Visit by Ministers Abroad
(d) if so, the name of the Officer respon-
31. SHRI E. K. NAYANAR: sible for tbis loss; and
SHRI GANESH GHOSH:
SHRI VISWANATHA MENON: (e) the action taken by Government
SHRI K. ANIRUDHAN: against bim 1
SHRI P. C. ADICHAN:
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleas- MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND
ed to state: CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
(SHRI D. R. CHAVAN): (a) and (b). The
(a) the number of Ministers, Ministers required information is contained in the
of State, Deputy Ministers and delegations Estimates Committee·s (Fourtb Lok Sabha)
which visited the foreign countries duri"l the Eighty Sixth Report.
period from the lst December, 1968 to 31st
March,1969; (c) to (e). The recommendations/conclu-
sions of the Committee contained in this re-
(b) the purpose of tbeir visit to foreign port are under examination.
countries; and
Ayurvedic Dispensaries
(c) .the total amount of foreign exchange
spent on tbem during their foreign tours ? 33. SHRI GANESH GHOSH :
SHRIMATI SUSEELA GOPALAN:
TIlE MINISTER OF STATE IN TIlE SHRI P. RAMAMURTI:
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C. SHRI C. K. CHAKRAPANI :
SETHI) : <a) Ministers ........................ 3 SHRI K. RAMANI :

Minister of State............ l Will the Minister of HEALTH AND


Deputy Minister.............. ! FAMILY PLANNING AND URBAN
Deleptions ... : .......... v •• l08 DEVELOPMENT be pleased to refer to the
87 Wrillen Answers JULY 21, 1969 Wriuen Answers 88

• reply given to Unstarred Question No. 4155 SHRI SHRI GOPAL SABOO:
on the 24th March, 1969 and state whether SHRI SHARDA NAND:
Government have since collected information SHRI ONKAR SINGH:
about the number of new Ayurvedic Dispen- SHRI KANWAR LAL
saries opened in each State during 1968·69 ? GUPTA:
SHRI RAM SWARUP
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE VIDYARTHI:
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY SHRI J. SUNDER LAL:
PLANNlNG AND WORKS, HOUSING SHRI NARAIN SWARUP
AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI B. S. SHARMA:
MURTHY): Yes. A statement containing the SHRI OM PRAKASH TYAGI:
required information is laid on the Table of SHRI HUKAM CHAND
the House. [Placed in Library. See, No. LT- KACHWAI:
1263/69]. The information from the Govern- SHRI BHARAT SINGH
ment of Rajasthan is still awaited. It CHAUHAN:
will be placed on the Table of the Sabha as SHRI NAWAL KISHORE
soon as it is received from the State Govern· SHARMA:
ment.
Will the Minister of FINANCE be
Income Tax R.turns not Filed by Min,sters pleased to state:

34. SHRI V. NARASIMHA RAO: (a) the' names of the Ministers, Minis·
SHRI SEZHIYAN: ters of State and Deputy Ministers of the
SHRI BAIDHAR BEHERA: Centre who have not filed their annual
SHRI RAGHUVIR SINGH returns for the last ten years with the income-
SHASTRI: tax authorities; and
SHRI MANIBHAI J. PATEL:
SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: (b) the action taken against them for
SHRI P. M. SAYEED: the slackness on their part ?
SHRI M. H. GOWDA:
SHRI SURENDRA NATH THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
DWIVEDY: MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C.
SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA: SETHI): (a) and (b). All Ministers have
SHRI RAM GOPAL since filed their returns and these have been
SHALWALE: dealt with according to law.
SHRI JAGANNATH RAO
JOSHI: Rajasthan's Share in Bhakra Waters
SHRI BRIJ BHUSHAN LAL:
SHRI RANJEET SINGH:
35. SHRI V. NARASIMHA RAO:
SHRI SURAJ BHAN:
SHRI·S. K. TAPURIAH:
SHRI ATAL BIHARI
SHRI R. BARUA:
VAJPAYEE:
SHRI CHENGALRAYA NAIDU:
SHRI YAJNA DAIT SHARMA:
SHRI N. R. LASKAR:
SHRI D. N. PATODIA:
SHRI PRAKASH VIR SHASTRI:
SHRI JAI SINGH:
SHRI P. L. BARUPAL:
SHRI MUHAMMAD
SHRI MEETHA LAL MEENA:
SHERIFF:
SHR[ M. SUDARSANAM:
SHRI HARDA YAL DEVGUN:
SHRI R. K. AMIN:
SHRI K. M. KOUSHIK: Will the Minister of IRRIGATION AND
SHRI D. AMAT: POWER be pleased to state:
SHRI H. AJMAL KHAN:
SHRI S. XAVIER: (a) whether the Rajasthan Government
SHRI J. MOHAMED IMAM: has protested to the Centre against the
SHRI RAM SINGH Haryana Government for denying the State
AYARWAL: its rightful share in Bhakra waters;
89 Writt~1I AlIsw,r. ASADHA 3D, 1891 (SAKA) Wrltttll A_8 90

(b) whether it is also a fact that Raja- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
sthan is in the grip of worst famine in the MINISTRY OF FINAN.CE (SHRI P. C ••
history; and SETHI): (a) to (c). The question of upgrad-
ing certain cities/towns for purposes of grant
(c) if so, the steps Government propose of house rent and compensatory (city)
to take in this matter? allowances to Central Government employees
is still under consideration of Government
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE and no nnal decision has so far been taken.
MINIS:rRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR Liberalisation of Abortion Laws.
PRASAD) : (a) Yes.
37. SHRI V. NARASIMHA RAO:
(b) and (c). Scarcity conditions exist in SHRI SITARAM KESRI:
the State. To mitigate the hardship, relief SHRI RAMSWARUP VIDYARTHI:
works were started. Arrangements for drink- SHRI J. SUNDER LAL:
ing' water, food, fodder, transport, medical SHRI NARAIN SWARUP
assistance etc. were made. Steps bave been SHARMA:
taken to sink tube wells, and to provide long- SHRI OM PRAKASH TYAGI:
term and short-term financial assistance etc. SHRI R. BARUA:
The assistance released so far is of the order SHRI N. R. LASKAR:
of Rs. 24 crores. In addition a sum of SHRI CHENGALRA YA NAIDU:
Rs. 2.S crores has been provided to the SHRI Y. A. PRASAD:
State Government for purchase of seeds and SHRI M. SUDARSANAM:
Rs. 80 latchs for fertiliser taccavi loans. An SHRI N. K. SOMANi:
extra sum of Rs. oue crore has been promis- SHRI R. R. SINGH DEO:
ed for a drinking water scheme, if the State
Government could complete it before Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
31.12.1969. FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS,
HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT
be pleased to state: .
Upgradation of Cities
(a) whether tbe United Nation'~ Stu~y
Team on Family planning programme In Ind ..
36. SHRI V. NARASIMHA RAO: has recommended liberalization of abortion
SHRI RAM AVTAR SHARMA: laws even for limiting the size of family;
SHRI KARTIK ORAON:
SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: (b) if so, whether Government propose
SHRI MAHANT DIGVUAI to Iiheralize abortion laws;
NATH:
SHRIRAMAVATAR SHASTRI:
(c) if not, the reasons therefor; and
SHRI BIBHUTI MISHRA:
SHRI D. N. PATODIA:
(d) the nature of other recommendations
of the Study Team and the action proposed
Will the Minister of FINANCE be to be taken by Government thereon?
pleased to state :
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
(a) whether Government have finalised
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
the list of cities and towns that are to be
'PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING
upgradeCI for the purpose of giving House
AND URBAN ,DEVELOPMENT (DR. S.
Rent and City Compensatory allowances to
CHANDRASEKHAR): (a) Yes.
Central Government employees;

(b) if so, the details of the same; and (b) The mailer is under consideratiou of
the Government.
(c) the date from which the upgrading
is being done? (c) Docs not arise,
91 Writ/en Answers JULY 21, 1969 Wrillen Answers 92

(d) Only an interim report by the United present.


( Nations Advisory Mission on the evaluation
of the Family Planning programme of the (b) Yes.
Government of India was received on 8th·
May, 1969. Copies of the report have been <c) There is no offer from Indonesia for
placed in the Library of the House. Adequate joint venture in off shore drilling.
consideration will be given to the suggestions
made by the Study Team when the full and Setting Up of IlIStltnte or Haman Relations
final report received.
39. SHRI N. R. LASKAR:
Joint Ventnres in off-Shore Drilling SHRI CHENGALRAYA NAIDU:
SHRI R. BARUA:
38. SHRI N. R. LASKAR:
SHRI CHENGALRAYA NAIDU: Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
SHRI ZULFIQUAR ALI KHAN: FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS,
SHRI R. V. NAIK: HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOP-
SHRI N. SHIVAPPA: MENT be pleased to state:
SHRI K. M. KQUSHIK:
SHRI D. AMAT: (a) whether it is a fact that an Institute
SHRI R. BARUA: of Human Relations is proposed to be set
SHRI D. N. PATODIA: up in India;
SHRI R. K. AMIN:
<b) if so, whether the Institute will con-
Will tbe Minister of PETROLEUM AND duct survey jointly with or on behalf of the
CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS United Nations specialized agencies and other
be pleased to state: insti\utes of Socio Economic Studies; and .

<a) whether it is a fact tbat Government (c) if so, when this Institute is likely to
have called for the application .of computer be set up?
technology and resort to Joint ventures with
foreign countries in order to make the country THE. MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
self-reliant in off-shore drilling and self-suffi-MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
ciency in oil; PLANNING, AND WORKS HOUSING
AND URBAN DEVEWPMENT (SHRI
(b) if so, wbether collaboration with Iran B. S. MURTHY): <a) The Ministry of
in Off-shore oil drilling has been successfull; . Health and Family Planning and Wnrks
and Housing and Urban Development are not
aware of any such proposal.
(c) whether in view of this, Government
have accepted the offer of Indonesia for
(b) and (c). DC! not arise.
similar venture ?
Complaints against tbe C.P.W.D. enquiry
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
dice Nauroji Nagar, New Delbi.
MINISTR Y OF PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS AND MINES AND
METALS <SHRI D. R. CHAVAN): 40. SHRI SURAJ BHAN: Will the
<a) The Oil and Natural Gas Commission Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY
is making use of a computer for processing PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING
a small part of its geological, geophysical AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pl,ased
reservoir data. to state:

Oil exploration and development work (a) whether it is a fact that the comP7
in an area of the Persian Gulf, under a joint laints regarding the replacement of broken
venture, is in progress. No other proposal glass panes, ete. in the flats of Nauroji
for oil exploration and exploitation in a for- Nagar, New Delhi are not attended to
eign country is under consideration at immediately by the C.P.W.D. staff;
93 Writte" A"swers ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Wr/tte"A1IIWfIr8 94

(b) whether it is also a fact that the breeding place of mosquitoes and other kinds
complaints registered as far back as on the of dangerous insects as this has not been.
23rd and 24th April, 1969 have not so far been properly maintained; and
attended to inspite of the fact that glass
panes are in stock in good number; (c) if so, what action Go(remment has
taken to redress tbe grievances of tbe resi-
(c) the reasons for the indifferent atti- dents of Sewa Napr Railway Colony ?
tude and behaviour of the stall' posted in
CPWD Enquiry Office, Nauroji Nagar, THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
thus causing a great incoDvenience to' the MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
occupants of such flats; and PLANNING; AND WORKS, HOUSING
AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI
(d) the steps Government propose to B.S. MURTHY): (8) to (c). The informa-
take to remove these difficulties of the tion is being collected and will be laid on
occupants? the Table of the Sabha.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Provision of civic _Itles In


MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY South DeIhl Colonies
PLANNING; AND WORKS, HOUSING
AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI 42. SHRI M.L. SONDHI: Will the
B.S. MURTHY): (a) Complaints regard- Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY
ing repla~ment of broken glass panes are PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING
attended to promptly. However, where AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased
these complaints are combined with the to state:
replacement of broken window shutters
there has been some delay in executinll the (a) wbether it is a fact that repeated
work. reprqentations have been made by the
residents of the South Delhi Colonies, viz.,
(b) Complaints received on 23rd and (1) Aligaoj (2) Pilanji; (3) Jorbagh; (4)
24th April, 1969 have been attended to. Kherpur and (5) Kotla Mubarakpur for
construction of Latrines, provision of tap
(c) No case of indifferent attitude and water and employment of sweepers for keep-
behaviour of the staff of the Enquiry Office ing the area clean;
has come to notice.
(b) if so, what action has been taken by
(d) Steps are beinll taken to replace the Government; and
broken window shutters expeditiously.
(c) _whether Government propose to
Insaaitary conditions in Scwa Nagar RaIlway indicate tbe amount spent for provision of
Colony, New DelhI •. the above amenities since 1967 for the said
localities, separately?
41. SURI M.L. SONDHI: Will the
Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY -
AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT be .,Ieased PLANNING; AND WORKS, HOUSING
to state: AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI
B.S. MURTHy): (a) to (c). The informa-
(a) whether Government has received tion is being collected and will be placed
any representation from the inhabitants of on tbe Table of the House in due course.
Sews Napr Railway Colony, New Delhi
regardinll the insanitary conditions of, tbe Provision of COlDmunity Hall and other
area; Amenities In Kld_i Nagar, DeIhl

(b) whetber it is also a fact that the 43. SHRI M. L. SONDHI: Will the
N:tIlah which is f10winll from Defence Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY
Colony and Lodi Colony has become the PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING
95 JULY 21. 1969 WritJen Answers 96

AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS


10 state: (SHRI D. R, CHAVAN): (a) to (c), The
information collected so rar, .hows that some
, (a) whether Government have received American firms have been held guilty of
any representation from the residents of the having violated the anti-trust laws in force
Kidwai Nagar (Delhi) Class IV Government in that COtlDtry for having rigged the prices
Quarters for the provision of a Community of certain antibiotics at a uniform level
Hall, Rain Shade, good roads, proper drain- during the years 1953-1966. The consumers in
age and playground; and that country have filed claims for compen-
sation. These claims are now sub judice.
(b) if so, action proposed to be taken The question whether under the law similar
by Government in the matter? claims can be pressed by importers of other
countries and if, so, how, are under exami-
THE MINISTER OF STATE INTHE nation. The matter is rather complex and
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY has to be thoroughly considered in all its
PLANNING; AND WORKS, HOUSING aspects before a decision is taken on the
AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI course of action to be adopted.
B.S. MURTHY): (a) Yes, Sir.

(b) A community hall already exists in


~ ~ """ am: \iI'\q.:f .mn f.rm:r 11ft
~ 11ft Silf~1f ~T ~
the colony. The question of provision of
45. ...u ~<'r 1f<': 'f<rT mr ;f>JrT
rain-shades and a circular road is under
examination. The work relating to the pro-
vision of storm water drains is already in lI'il: ;pf[~ 'fiT WfT '!ii:it f<r. ST'fi ;;ftq.r 00
hand. '!1t 5i't~ 'fiT q~ ;;ftq.r <fTill' f.f1TIl '!1t
Two big sized parks are already existing ~ ~ fif;Qi\'T 'fill P
which can be used as children's playgrounds.
mr.q~ if ~ (aft~
Eaquiry Against U.S. Drug Firms ~~): ~ m;r<l'l'hRT if; llTI'f~ it
1,000 m <fl~ ~'f>11 if; f.rt!; &T'Ii'
'fiT
w
44. SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA:
SHRI VISWANATHA MENON: \iI'\q.:f 00 ~ ;;ftq.r 00 'fiT ill'f«<r.
SHRI B.K. MODAK: if; ~ 23 ~ ~ ~'H 48 ~ cr~ ~ 3Rn:
SHRI P. RAMAMURTI:
SHRI P. GOPALAN: ~ ail;: ilfn[TOf<i mfl:rcr «(111{ ~ amrrm
if; ~ it <Til: 3Rf~ 38 q.~ ~ $;;<: 73
Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS ~~~I
be pleased to refer to the reply given to Un-
starred Question No. 9273 on the 12th May, fmil" if; f<'N qlf \iI<'r
1969 and state:
46. I5fI ~ 1f<':
(a) whether inquiries have since been '" ~o ~ <'m'r:
completed into the reported profiteering to
the tune of Rs. 9 crores by certain U.S. I5fT~~:
drugs firms which sold Tetracycline products I5fT~~~:
to India at excessive prices during '1958-1968; I5fTan~~:
(b) if so, the result of the inquiries and '" ~ ~ f<mT1if:
action taken thereon and; ...u~fcmRr'll1f:

(c) if not, the reasons for the delay? 'f<rT ~If <111fT qfum: ~ am:
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
f~, ammr <111fT ~ m-m w~ 1:!il:
MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND ;pf[~ 'fiT WfT ~m f<r.:
97 Written Answers ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA.) Written Answer. 98

(ar;) 1fIlT ~ 'liT 'RfT t far; m.It E:l:paasloa of Sec:arity Press at Nasik
it; ...~ ~ rn it ~;;r.r lI>'t ifj1ft t;
47. SHRI BAIDHAll BEHEllA:
(1'iI') trft{~. m1fIlT ~ ifiT f;r;m: SHllI K. LAKKAPPA:
SHRI SURENDRANATH
~ lI>'t ~T~i;fOfmr'IiT~it DWIVEDY:
~ §11: fcm;rT it;;r.r I!>'t ~ lI>'t 'I1Ifta
~ m it; fort!; ~ 1Il;;r;n tAf.t
Will the Minister of FINANCE he pleas-
ed to state:
ifiT t;
(a) whctper it is a fal't that Government
(lJ') 1fIlT ~ ~ em ~ have received no proper response for the
m ~ ;;r.r ~ 'li'tJft; aiR acquired land for the expansion of the
Security Press at Nasik from the Govern-
ment of Maharashtra; and
(11") ~ mr 0TTmlft ~ qtif it
~ lIl;;r;n 'R f~ 0Q'lf f'r;i\" ;;nit I!>'t (b) if so, what Government propose to
~t? do in the matter?

\. ~ em qfum: ~ at'\"{ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE

~. ammr
<m;:m'\'q ~­ m.m MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C.
SETHn: (a) and (b). The question of mak-
\'N if ~ ~ (JJft.o ,"0 '!fiI') : ing availahle some portions of the Ex
Distillery estate to the India Security Press,
(ar;) ~ <riff 'IiW ;;rr ~ fit; ~ Nasik, has been under negotiation with the
it; ~ ~ rn it ~lI>'tifj1fttl Maharashtra Government for some time.
Recently the State Government have written
f~m. fmiTit;~ IIh" ~ fit; ~
to the Central Government stating that they
Jl"UIT<'rT it; arf~ ~ 'R mro ~ lIT ~ would make available land required for ex-
~'R ~. ~ I!>'t ~ if ~ifj1ft pansion of the Press at Nasik.
~ lI>'t 1ff t I ~ ifj1ft I!>'t 'lfu it; fort!; AcIulteratiOll of FoodstliII's
~'m'l~~;;rr ~~am:
48. SHIll P. C. ADiCHAN:
~ 1f1"I" <'PI'Tit ;;rr ~ ~ I
SHllI N. R. LASKAR:
SHIll CHENGALRAYA NAIDU:
(1'iI') ;;iT ~. ~ it ;;r.r"'fa- it;
t
~ it ;f4 I!>'t;;rr ~ I 'Iiftr:rq- iflft
SHRIll. BARUA:
SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR
~fcm;rT;;r~~~~ SINGH:
rnr oft' ;;rr ~ t/ir <'IT 1ff t I SHIll BHOGENDRA JHA:
SHRI J. M. BISWAS:
( lJ') ;;ft ~ I lI'WfT;;eft' if qy;ft lI>'t SHRI C. JANARDHANAN:
ifj1ft ~ ;;rf.t 'R tT1ff it; ~ it ~
t am:
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
~ ~ ~ @' qy;ft f<'llIT;;rr ~ FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS,
~ 'Iful;;r;n' 16 'lU ~ ~ 'R ~ HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT
he pleased to state :
sr~~~T~'liTqy;ft ~ it; ft;ril'
~~1fftl (a) whether Government have formulat-
ed a scheme to check the adulteration of
(11") ~ Q-'lfu ~ am: foodstuft's which move from one State to
another; and
~ it; ~1'iI"i'1!>'t;;rf.t~1R­
m~ \'I1l111I' ,qf,;r orm m mt
I (b) if so, the main features thereof'!
Written Arrstm'I JULy 21,1969 Wrlttetl AlfSwers 100

mE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE In addition, tbe Government of India


MINISTRY OF HEALTH, AND have, in consultation with State Governments,
FAMILY PLANNING; AND WORKS, set up an Irrigation Commission to go into
HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOP- tbe question of Irrigation development in the
MENT (SHRI B. S. MURTHY) : (a) and Country in a comprehensive manner. The
(b). A Central Unit is contemplated composition and terms of reference of the
to check the menace of food adulteration, Commission are laid on the Table of the
alongwith the State Health Authorities House. [Placed in Librar)'. See No. LT-
concerned. It is the intention that they 1264/69]
will be mainly concerned with the functions
prescribed in rule 9 of the Prevention of Merger of Dearness Allowance with Pay
Food Adulteration Rules, 1955,'in respect of
inter-state ofl'ences and will help in giving
50. SHRI P. C. ADICHAN:
technical auidence to State Governments.
SHRI HIMATSINGKA:
SHRI NIHAL SINGH:
Madlinery to Evaluate tbe Benefits from SHRI VALMIKl CHOUDHARY:
the Irrigation, Flood Control and Power
Projects
Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to state:
49. SHRI P. C. ADICHAN:
SHRI NIHAL SINGH:
(a) whether consequent on the merger of
SHRI A. SREEDHARAN:
Dearness Allowance with pay of Central
DR. SUSffiLA NAYAR:
Government employees, those in the pay
SHRI K. LAKKAPPA:
range of RI. 399-500 who were hitherto/are
SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI:
entitled to claim House Rent Allowance
SHRI D. N PATODIA:
without producing receipt for actual payment
of rent, are now required to produce such
Will tbe Minister of IRRIGATION AND receipt, which provision was previouly appli-
POWER be pleased to state: cable to higher pay personnel and have also
been deprived of Overtime Allowances;
(a) wbether Government have bad
under consideration the question of setting (b) if so, the reasons therefor, particularly
up a machinery to evaluate the benefits from when their emoluments have not increased as
the irrigation, flood control and power projects a result of the merger;
taken up so far;
(c) whether he had written a letter to a
(b) if so, the constitution, functions and Member of tbe Lok Sabha, assuring him that
scope of study of tbis macbinery; and they would not be put to any disadvantage
as a result of merger of D. A. witb pay;
(c) whetber tbe body has since been
constituted, if so, the names of its members (d) if so, whether Government are consi-
and by what time its report is expected? dering to take steps to raise the pay-limits for
accrual of the witbdrawal of tbese benefits to
mE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE eliminate the said loss; and
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD): (e) if not, the reasons therefor?
(a) to (c). The Conference of State Ministers
Irrigation and Power beld at Nainital on the mE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
26th and 27tb May, 1969, recommended that MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C.
suitable machinery should be set up by the SETHI): (a) Yes, Sir.
States so that valuable data on evaluation of
tbe benefits could be made available for tbose (b) It is not correct to say tbat tbe
incharae of Panning and Management of emoluments of employees in the pay range of
Irrigation, Flood Control and Power Projects. RI. 399-500 have not increased as a result oC
This bas been commended to the States for the 'merger'. These employees have also
implementation. gained by way of incresed compensatory
101 WrUten ibuwer. ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Writ,.,. ifMwr. 1112

(city) allowance, Bad climate allowance, ment is entitled to receive a fixed salary at
Remote locality allowance, compensatory the rate of Rs. 500 per mensum plus aft
(hill) allowance, Winter allowance, project allowance at the rate of Rs. 31 for each day
allowance, etc., wherever admissible, in wben the Parliament is in session or the
addition to increased pensionary benefits. Member is required to attend the meeting of
The'merger' orders have not resulted in any a Committee. Under the law, tbe daily
abridgement of entitlement in respect of allowance received by a person by rea80n of
house rent allowance as before, on production his membersbip of Parliament is specificaJly
of receipt of actual payment of rent. The exempt from tax. The amount of Rs. 500
allowance is in the nature of subsidy and per month receivable by Members of Parlia-
there can be no objection to relating it to the ment is bowever, liable to income-tax. The
actual rent paid. The pay ceilings for admis- exemption limit of as. 4,000 is applicable
sibility of Overtime Allowance, consequent on equally to Members of Parliament it applies
the treatment of a portion of Dearness Allo- to Government employees and others.
wance as pay, has not been raised as a
measure of r~stricting the expenditure on (b) Does not arise.
Overtime Allowance which has been registering
heavy increases. (c) Yes, Sir. This question was consi-
dered at the time of the Finance Bill, 1968
(c) No, Sir. and again in April, 1969. However, it was
decided tbat it would not be desirable to
(d) Does not arise. raise the exemption limit. The present
exemption limit of Rs. 4,000 is about seven
(e) As io lb) above. times tbe national per capita income of our
country. The total number of income-tax
payers is only abut 1/2% of our population
Tax on Salaries of M.Ps. and Govemmeut and if tbe exemption limit were to be raised,
Employees as recommended by Sbri BbootbaIiDgam,
tbe proporation would be reduced to 1/4%
51. SHRI P. C. ADICHAN: Will only. The Government'. view was that
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to income-tax sbould be a broad-based 1aX
state: covering ultimately about 20%-30% of the
population. Besides, if the eKc:mption limit
(a) whether it is a fact that salary and were to be raised to RI. 7,500 it would, in
allowances of Members of Parliament are effect, mean exempting a gross income (before
not subject to Income tax, as such, since deduction of the exempt part of savings
April 1968, while salaries of small Govern- through life insurance, provident fund, etc.)
ment employees and others are subject to ranging between Rio 9,000 and Rs. 10,000.
Income tax even at low level of Rs. 4,000 A person havinl a montbly income of about
per annum; Rs. 800 would then be paying no income-tax
which would not be justifiable. The tax
(b) if 80, the reasons for tbis disparity; payable at lower income levels is already
and small. Having regard to these considerations
the veiw taken was lhat the present exemption
(c) wbether in view of the Bhootbai- limit for ~tu: need not raised.
lingam Committee Report, Go~t have
bad under cons.ideration the question of 'I1IIrd Pay COIIIIIIissiOil
exempting Government employees and other
baving incomes upto Rs. 7500; and if not, 52 SHRI MAHANT DIGVIJAI NATH:
the reasons therefor ? SHRI HIMATSINGKA:
SHRl RAGHUVIR SINGH
SHASTRI:
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SHRI MUHAMMAD SHERIFF:
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C. SHRI OM PRAKASH TYAGI:
SETH): (a> No, Sir. Under the provisions of SHRI RAM SWARUP
the "Salaries and Allowances of .Members of VIDYARTHI:
Parliament Act, 1954", a Member of Parlia- SHRI R. BARUA:
· 103 Wrlll." AIfIWer8 JULY 21, 1969 Written Answerl 104
SHRI NARAIN SWARUP cost of living by suitable adjust-
SHARMA: ments in Dearness Allowance.
SHRI 1. SUNDER LAL:
SURI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI:
(iii) There is a ban on revision of
SHRf ISHAQ SAMBHALI:
SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: Salary structure at any level.
SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA:
DR. RANEN SEN: The various other demands made by the
SHRf CHENGALRAYA NAIDU: INTUC have to be considered by different
SURI N. R. LASKAR: MinistrillS/Departments of the Government
SHRI P. C. ADICHAN: to which they pertain.
SHRf NlHAL SINGH:
SURI N. R. DEOGHARE: Aid from Aid India COIISOrtlum

Will the Minister of F1NAN~ be 53. SHRf MAHANT DIGVIJAI NATH:


pleased to state: SHRI S. K. TAPURIAH:
SHRI RABI RAY:
(a) whether it is a fact that tbe Indian SHRI N. R. LASKAR:
National Trade Union Congress at their SHRI YAJNA DATI SHARMA:
meeting held on the 17th May, 1969, haw: SHRI JAl SINGH:
demanded for the setting up of Third Pay SHRI B. K. DAS CHOWDHURY:
Commission; SHRI RAM AVTAR SHARMA:
SHRI RAMAVTAR SHASTRI:
(b) if so, whether the INTUC haw: also SHRI NARAIN SWARUP
made some more demands in favour of SHARMA:
Government employees; SHRI RAM SWARUP
VIDYARTHI:
(c) if so, the details thereof; and SHRI K. M. KOUSHIK:
SHRI S. XAVIER:
(d) the manner in which Government are SHRI CHENGALRAYA NAIDU:
considering to meet their demands ? SHRI S. R. DA:MANI:
SHRI D. AMAT:
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE SHRI R. BARUA:
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRf P. C. SHRI P. M. SAYEED:
SETHI): <a) Yes, Sir. SHRIBHOGENDRAJHA:
SHRI R. V. NAIK:
(b) to (d). The Indian National Trade SHRI R. R. SINGH DEO:
Union Congress in its Session held on 19th SHRI DEVEN SEN:
and 20th May, 1969, had passed Resolutions SHRI SHARDA NAND:
on a number of subjects, for example, Indus- SHRl HUKAM CHAND
trial Relations, Amendment to definition of KACHWAI:
Workmen, Engin~nB Wage Board and SHR[ TRIDIB KUMAR CHAU-
Employees in Essential Services, etc. The DHARY:
demand for appointment of • New Pay SURI RAGHUVIR SINGH
Commission has been considered· by the SHASTRI:
Ministry of Finance and it is not considered SHRI HEM RAJ:
oppertune to appoint a New Pay Commission SHRI D. N. PATOPIA:
for the following reasons : SHRI SRADHAKAR SUPAKAR:
SHRI N. K. P. SALVE: ,-
(I) :The recommendations of the SHRI HARDAYAL DEVGUN:
second Pay Commission were SHRI J. M. BISWAS:
implemented only in 1960 and SHRl INDRAJIT GUPTA:
broadly sPeaking their conclusion SHRI S. M. BANERJEE:
stiD remain valid. SURI 1. SUNDER LAL:
SHHI OM PRAKASH TYAGI:
(ii) Government Employees are already· SHRI H. AJMAL KHAN:
heiDi compem.ted for riso in SURI 1. MUHAMMED IMAM:
IDS Wrillen Answers ASADHA 30, 1891 <SAKA) Wrlttell Answers 106
SHRI S. S. KOmARI: Non-project aid is not allocated on a Sta~
SHRI SITARAM KESRI: wise hasis. The actual amount of non-
SHRI HIMATSINGKA: project aid utilised in di1ferent States will
SHRI MANIBHAI 1. PATEL: depend on the requirements of imported
SHRIMATI lLA PAL items financed by such aid_
CHOWDHURY:
SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU: The allocation of project aid depends
SHRI G. C. NAIK: OD the availability of approved projects in
SHRI K. P. SINGH DEO: different States and their acceptability to
SHRI RAM SINGH AYARWAL: aid-giving agencies for project lending.
SHRI BHARAT SINGH
CHAUHAN Gaadak Project
SHRI M. S. OBERAI:
54. SHRI MAHANT DlGVUAI NATH:
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleas- SHRI BIBHUTI MISHRA:
ed to state: SHRIMAl1 SAVITRI SHYAM:
SHRI D. N. PATODIA:
<a) whether it is a fact that the Aid
IDdia Consortium had agreed to accord • 700 Will the Minister of IRRIGATION AND
million aid to India; POWER be pleased to state:

(h) if so, Government's reaction thereto <a) whether it is a fact tbat Gandak
and how much of the amount will be re- project has been commissioned and is ready
quired for non-project assistance; for irrigation' purposes;

(c) the details as to how the loan will (b) if so, the area to be irrigated by the
be utilised in the country; and project in Bihar and Uttar Pradesh, parti-
cularly the Eastern Districts of Uttar
(d) the share of the amount to be spent Pradesh;
in Uttar Pradesh and particularly in the
Eastern districts of Uttar Pradesh ? (c) whether purposes other than the
irrigation will also be served by the project;
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN mE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C. (d) how much of the area of Nepal
SETHI): (a) and (b). Tbe Aid IDdia Consor- territory will be irrigated;
tium which met in Paris on' May 22nd and
23rd, 1969 agreed that, for tbe year 1969-70 (e) whether there arc proposals under
India required non-project assistance of the consideration of Government to cxpand
about $700 million, including approximately the area for irrigation under this project;
$100 million in the form of debt relief. , It
and
also recognised as reasonable the need for
project assistance of S400 million. This
assessment of the requirements of aid accords ( f) if so, the details thereof?
with the Government's estimate of needs.
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN TtiE
(c) and (d). Tbe actual quantum of MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
assistance available for commitment during POWER (SHRI SJDDHESHWAR PRASAD):
tbe year will depend upon the legislative (a) The barrage is practically complete.
and other approval for aid in the donor A part of the canal system has also been
countries and the progress of bilateral neg0- completcd and water has been released into
tiations and signing of agreements. Such the Eastern Main Canal for Kharif irrigation
non-project aid as is available will be of about 1.5 lakh acres this year.
utilised for the import of items, such as
fertilizers, ferrous and non-ferrous metals, (h). On completion of all the canals,
raw materials and components for industries, the Project will irrigate 28.45 lakb acres in
spare parts etc., wbich ate normally eligible Bihar and 7.12 lakh acres in U. P. in the
for financing under bilateral loan qreements. Deoria and Gorakhpur districts.
107 Written A.nawers JULY 21, 1969 Written A.nswers lOB

(c) A hydro electric power house with DcmaDds of Doctors and Nones WorkiDg
an installed capacity of IS M. W. is being ill GoTernmeat Hospitals
built at the 9th mile of the Main Western
canal Cor the benefit of Nepal. 56. SHR! M. S. OBERAI:
SHR! N. R. LASKAR:
(d). 1.S5 lakb acres. SHRI CHENGALRAYA NAlDU:
SHR! R. BARUA:
(e) and (f). The technical and economic SHRI S. M. BANERJEE:
feasibility of a preliminary proposal to cover SHR! R. R. SINGH DEO:
another 65000 acres in Nepal is under SHRI RAM CHANDRA VEERAPPA:
examination. SHR! Y. A. PRASAD:

SeiZUI"e of Charas at Safdarjang Will the Minister of HEALTH AND


Airport, New Delhi FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS,
HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT
55. SHRI MAHANT DIGVUAI NATH: be pleased to state:
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased
to state: (a) whether it is a Cact that some depu-
tations of the C. G. H S. doctors and
Nurses working in hospitals in Delhi have,
(a) whether it is a fact that an air pac-
during the last two months, met him to
ket bound for Paris containoig charas has
apprise Government about their difficulties
been seized by the Customs staff at Safdar-
vis-a-vis their demands for better service
jang airport, New Delhi on the 25th May,
conditions;
1969;
(b) iC so, their main demands and the
(b) if so, whether it is also a Cact that reaction oC Government thereto; and
the charas was kept inside a woodeD statue
of goddess Lakshmi; (e) the steps taken by Government to
ensure that more benefits to Doctors/Nurses
(c) if so, whether some arrests have would also result in improving the standard
been made in this coooection; and of medical service which is complained of
much deterioration in the Government
(d) if not, the steps which Govemmeot hospitals and dispeDssries.
arc taking to prevent such abuse of gods and
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
goddesses in the country ?
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE . AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C. B. S. MURTHY): (a) Yes.
SETHI): <a) Yes. The seizure of charas
valued at about Rs. 400/- was made on (b) The main demands of tbe doctors
16-5-1969. and nurses were with regard to :-

. (b) The contraband was concealed in (i) leave in lieu of duty on holidays;
a toy replica of aoddess Lakshmi.
(ii) reduction of work load in the
The sender, an Australian national,
(c) dispensaries;
was convicted by the Court to pay a fine of
RI. SOO/-. (iii) appointment of chemists on cont-
ract for the supply of medicines to
the patients;
(d) Suitable action is always taken
whenever such abuses come to notice.
Export of antiquities from India is not (iv) increase in the conveyance allowance
permitted without 1ic:cDc:e from the CeIltraI of the Medical 0lIicerB under
Govcmmcnt. C. G. H. S.; and
109 Written AIISWer8 ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Wrilttm A_rs JIO
(v) introduction of a single shift system All the information at (a), (b) &: (e)
in the working of dispensaries. will be laid on the Table of the House as •
early as possible.
The nurses demands were regarding
increase in dearness allowance, city com- Memoramlmn by JndIao Medical
pensatory allowance and messing allowance. Aasociation

The demands of doctors are under 58. SURIMATI SUSEELA GOPALAN:


consid'll'lltion in consultation with the autho- SHRI SATYA NARAYAN SINGH:
rities concerned. SHR! P. P. ESTHOSE :
SURI NAMBIAR :
SHRISRADHAKARSUPAKAR:
Copies of the orders issued in respect
SHRI DHIRESWAR KAUTA :
of some demands of the junior doctors and
SHRI JUGAL MONDAL :
nurses wofking in Delhi hospitals/hospitals
SHR! S. M. BANERJEE :
under the Delhi Administration are laid on
SHRI N. SHIVAPPA:
the Table of the House. [Placed In library.
See No. LT-I265/69]
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS,
(c) It is hoped that improvement in
HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT
the working conditions of the doctors and
be pleased to state :
nurses would be reftected in an improvement
in the standards of medical service in the
(a) whether it is a fact that the Indian
hospitals and dispensaries.
Medical Association has sent a detailed
memorandum to Government recently;
Iocome Tax Payers in Kerala
(b) if so, the main demands thereof;
57. SHRIMATI SUSEELA GOPALAN:
SHRI VISWANATHA MENON: (c) whether Government propose to
SURI A. K. GOPALAN : consider their grievances favourably;
SHRI P. GOPALAN :
(d) if so, when; and
Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to refer to the reply given to (el if not, the reason thereof?
Unstarred Question No. 4130 on the 24th
March, 1969 and state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
(a) whether Government have collected PLANNING, AND WORKS, HOUSING
the names of the top ten individuals who AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHR!
pay the highest Income-tax in Kerala with B. S. MURTHY) : (al to (e). A memoran-
the amount of income assessed and tax paid dum was submitted by the Association on
in each case during 1967 and 1968; the 1st July, 1969. A copy of this memo-
randum is laid on tbe Table of the House.
(b) the arrears due from each of the [Placed III Library. See No. LT-1266/69].
above as on the 31st March, 1969; and The points raised tberein are being exa-
mined.
(c) the steps taken by Government to
recover the arrears ? C-pletiOll of the Rajasthan Cual

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 59. SHR! HIMATSINGKA :


MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SURI p. C. SHR! BAL RAJ MADHOK:
SETHI) : (a) The information relating to SHR! D. N. PATODIA :
1967-68 is available and that for 1968-69 is SHR! RAM SWARUP
being collected. VIDYARTHI:
SHRI S. K. TAPURIAH :
(b) and (e). The required information is SHR! PRAKASH VIR SHASTRI:
being collected. SHRI P. L. BARUPAL :
111 Written Answers JULY 21,1969 Wrillen Answerl 112

SHRI RAM CHARAN : lDcome Tax ArreaR


SHRI R. K. BIRLA :
SHRI NAVAL K1SHORE 60. SHRI HIMATSINGKA:
SHARMA: SHRI NIHAL SINGH:
SHRI D. C. SHARMA: SHRI KARTIK ORAON :
SHRI K. p. SINGH DEO : SHRIK.M.KOUSHIK:
SHRI YASHPAL SINGH: SHRI BmHUTI MlSHRA :
SHRI S. S. KOTHARI:
SHRI SHRI CHAND GOYAL:
Will the Minister of IRRIGATION
SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI:
AND POWER be pleased to state :
SHRI P. C. ADICHAN :
SHRI PRAKASH VIR SHASTRI:
(a) whether some Members of Parlia- SHRI ABDUL GHANI DAR:
ment had recently called OD the PrIme
MiDister urging the early completion of the Will the Minister of FINANCE be
~astban Canal; pleased to state :

(b) if so, the specific demands made by (a) whether a two year programme has
been laid down with a view to clearing the
them;
backlog of Income tax cases and to liquidate
the huge accumulation of Income-tax
(c) the steps Government are taking to arrears;
ensure early completion of the Rajasthan
canal and whether to that end Government (b) if so, the details of this programme;
have decided to give additional aid for the (c) whether at tbe 16th Annual General
Project; if so, the details of such a decision; Meeting of the All-India Federation of
and Income Tax Gazetted Services Associations
held in May this year, ways and means were
(d) when the canal is likely to be com- discussed to implement research pro-
pleted as a result of the intensified effort to gramme;
that end?
(d> if so, the decisions taken at this
session in this regard; and
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND (e) the latest estimate about the accumula-
POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD): tion of Income-tax arrears at the end of
<a) Yes, Sir. June, 1969 and how it compares with such
arrears at the end of June, 1968 and June,
]967 ?
(b). The specific demand relating to
~asthan Canal made by them was that THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
additional funds, over and above tbe Fourth MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. c.
Fi..- Year Plan allocations, be provided for SATHI): (a> and (b). For clearing the
execution of tbe Canal and that Govern- backlog of Income-tax cases, a target was
ment of India should take over its execution fixed in 1968 that the arrear asssessments
as a National Project. to be carried forward as on 31-3-1969 should
not be more then 2/3rds of the arrears
(c) and (d). The question of providing brought forward as on 1-4-1968. In respect
additional funds for the ~astban Canal of the financial year 1969-70, the All India
during the Forth Five Year Plan has already target of disposal of assessments bas been
been taken up with tbe Planning Commission. fixed at 39 lakhs, that is about S lakhs more
The question of allocation of additional assessments than those disposed of during
outlay for Rajasthan Canal Project in tbe 1968-69. The programme is intended to
Fourtb Plan will, however, be examined by clear by and large the backlog of Income-
the Planning Commission after tbe award tax cases by 31-3-1971. Although Ii number
of the Fifth Finance Commission has been of steps have been taken recently to expedite
received by them. the recovery of Income-tax arrears it is not
113 Written A_1'8 ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Writtlfll Allswers 114

possible to fix a programme for their liqui- Krislmapuram, while the water taps in Ra!p
dation by any definite date. Krishnapuram remain dry for most part of
the day and the pressure is too low for water
(c) Government have no information. to reach even on first floor; and

(d) The question does not arise. (d) if so, why this disparity in the matter
of even this basic amenity to different sec-
(e) The latest information regarding the tions of the Government employees living in
position of arrears of Income-tax as well as different sectors of the same area and the
gross demand outstanding is available upto steps proposed to be taken to remove it ?
31st March, 1969. The comparative posi-
tion as on 31st March, 1967, 31st March,
1968 and 31st March, 1969 is under : THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
(Figures in Clom of rupees) PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING
AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI B.
Period eliding Gross demand Amount of S. MURTHY): (a) Yes, Sir,
outstanding arrears of
/tu:Ome-tax (b) Yes, Sir.

(c) The supply of water in the multi-


31st March, 1967· 515.25 357.63· storeyed flats in the New Delhi Municipal
31st March, 1968 622.61 374.52 Committee area of the Ring Road opposite
31st March, 1969 774.40 435.49 to Ramakrishnapuram is also restricted to
fixed hours as is the case with other quarters
•. Includes amounts already collected but in Ramakrishnapuram.
the adjustments of advance tax are still
pending and the amounts for which (d) The variation in the supply of water
extension of time for payment of tax in different sectors of RamakrisIuIapuram
has been granted by Income-tax Officer including the multi-storeyed flats is due to
or other Income-tax authority. the variation in the pressure from the main
of the two local bodies from which water is
Shortage of Water in R. 11:. Punm, New supplied. To meet the water shortage in the
. DeW South DeW aress, the Municipal Corporation
of Delhi have taken up a scheme known as
61. SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK: 'Kailash reservoir scheme' which is expected
SHR! RAM SWARUP VIDYA- to be completed within the next 2 to 3 years.
RTIJI: It is expected that with the completion of
this scheme, the position would improve.
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, Electric Connectloas in the Sectors of R. 11:.
HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT Pnram New Delhi
be pleased to state:

(a) whether it is' a fact that there have 62. SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK:
bee" complainis from the residents of Rama- SHRI RAM SWARUP
krishnapuram Delhi about shortage of water VIDYARTIJI:
during the summer month;
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
(b) whether it is also a fact tbat there is FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS,
110 unifoimity in the hours when water runs HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT
through the taps in the different sectors; be pleased to state:

(c) whether it is also a fact that there is <a) whethet it is a fact that electric
24 hours water supply in the multi·storeyed connections have not been liven to some of
Oats and other houses in the N. D. M. C. the quarters of new sectors of Ramakrishna-
area of the RiDg. Road opposite to Rama puram in Delhi;
11S JULY 21, 1969 Wrilten Answers 116

(. (b) whether it is also a fact that street be quickly developed and maintained pro-
lighting also has not been provided in new perly?
sectors like sector 10, 11 and 12 so far, and
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
(c) if so, the reasons for delay in provi- MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
ding this basic civic amenity to this major PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING
Government huilt colony for the Government AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI B.
employees ? S. MURTHY): (a) A statement showing the
total number of plots and their colony-wise
TIlE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE locations is laid on the Table of the House.
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY [Placed in Library. See No. LT-1267j691
PLANNING; AND WORKS, HOUSING
AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI B. (b) The plots meant for parks have been
S. MURTHY): (a) Except for one quarter in developed. Seven plots shown as play
Sector XII which is unoccupied, D. E. S. U. grounds are yet to be developed.
have given electric connections to all other
quarters in Sectors VllI, IX and XII. (c) and (d). The question of entrusting
the development of the undeveloped plots
(b) Street lighting has been provided in and mai~tenance of plots already developed
sectors 11 and 12. Sector 10 is yet to be to the Delhi Municipal Corporation will be
developed. examined.

(c) Does not arise. <lOIW6liI:!<OI m..n ~ ~ <'I~ f.fOIToIr


Dilftiopment of Parks in Government fiflm ~ 'P<IlU ~
Colonies in Delbi.
64. ~ ~ ~: '1m t1IT-
63. SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK: ~ <f1n ~ ~ am: f.fOIToIr,
SHRI RAM SWARUP VIDYA-
RTHI: amrm <f1n ~ mmr ~'T ~ arari't
'1ft 'PIT ifi~ fifi;
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS,
HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (ifi) '1m ~ ~ ~ f.I; X ~,
be pleased to state: Hf,t; ifiT R~ 'F <I+l<t>GOi~(+I ~ifn ~
(a) the total number of open spaces in
if ~ ~ <'rTifi f.I"1rfur f<roq 'F ~­
Shriniwaspuri, Andrewsganj and Rama- crm ~ 'F ~ 'li1 ifit'l!TUT m+ifu 'F
krishnapuram (Delhi) reserved for develop- ~Ti't<fm~;
ment as playgrounds and parks and their
locations and position, colony-wise;
(~) lI"fil: &t, ~T \3"if ~aif 'F
(b) how many of them have been deve- f.m;: '1m ~ '1ft ~ ~;
loped colony-wise;

(c) whether it is a fact that because of


(q) '1m 'F.m- ..Ti!i f.f+I1vr fcrmq 'F
the control of Works and Housing MinistrY f.I;m ~ arfiilom'T i't ~ ~ if mr-
on these plots-Delhi Municipal Corporation
cannot develop them, and
ifiTli ~ ij- fuifiTlRf '1ft eil"; am:
('1f) lI"fil: &t, <it :a<r ~ if!TT ~'T
(d) if so, the steps proposed to be taken
to see that the development and maintenance '1ft ~~ am: ~if!TT ~~
of parks and playgrounds in these colonies ~ ?
falling within Delhi Municipal Corporation,
is entrusted entirely to the Delhi Municipal
Corporation and necessary funds are given to
it so that these parks and playgrounds could
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~ I mWzr 6<:r f.rlPr m;ft ~ ~ m"I' GeDeraJ Provident Fuad
mfhrf; ~IIi<:W ~ I 70. SHRI BHARAT SINGH CHAU-
HAN: Will the Minister of FINANCE he
pleased to state:
('if) ffiof1 ~ IfimfR ~ 'IiTIfi
f.mryq;r m ~ 1970 ~ ~ trIfi ~
~ ~ iI>'t ~ ~ it ~~EI"@11 am: Ca) the number of cases of General
Provident Fund where missing credits have
1fiT~'IiTIfi~~it~ not been sorted out as yet in the case of
Government of India 0IIicers CGazetted);
~I
Cb) the amount lying un.adjusted so
~Ifim~~~~­ far and for how long;
morr IfiT ifi'i'iI'T 'IiTIfi ff6lIT ~ ~
(c) the steps the Accountant General
'liT ~ \iffiIT ~ I proposes to take to clear up such pendins
case8;and
~~tm~~
~~~IIit~ Cd) whether there can be some better
method evolved by his Ministry to avoid
qif IR ~
such hardships caused to Go~ment
servants?
69 • .n ~ SAm::;m ~
<m~am:~<m~~ 12~, THE MlNlSlER OF STATE IN THE
I 969 ~ arcrrtiflI;a srq;r 9238 iii mr MINISTR Y OF FINANCE CSHRI P. C.

~ ~ U'Rr-EI' it ~ ;rnf.t <tit Iitn' rn SETHI) : Ca> to Cc). Information is not


readily available.
fif;:
Cd> Under standing instructions special
atention is paid to the work of completion
(iii) IRI" ~ ~ ~ artft;r aJftI' of tho G.P.F. Accounts and the work of
~T ili U'Rr-EI' it ~ ;;rITffII'T <m tracing and posting of missing credits is
attended to as expeditiously as possible.
~~ ~ ijfIRrIfT ili ~T 'lit
~Rrilimit~ ~~ iii<: RehabiUtation of ResideBts of Raiclwr District
oiT~~ ; OD a_lIDt of Seepages of TUDgBbbadra
in Baadibariapur.
'('if) ~ ~, m~ IfiT ilIRr IRI" ~; 71. SHRI S. A. AGADI: Will tho
Minister of IRRIGATION AND POWER
(tf) ~;r{t, cri ~ IRI" Ifi1'"(1I1' ~ ? he pleased to state:
123 Written dluwers JULy 21, 1969 124
(a) whether it is a fact tbat the residents H1renala Project, Mysore
of Bandihariapur village in Koppal Taluk of
Raichur District of Mysorc State were 73. SHRI S. A. AGADI: Will the
decided to be rehabilitated on account of Minister of IRRIGATION AND POWER
beavy seepage of Tungabhadra Main Canal be pleased to statc:
Water;
(a) whether it is a fact the Hirenala
(b) if 50, when this decision was taken; Project in Bailhongal Taluk of Belgaum
District in Mysore Statc is slowed down;
(c) whether any lands have been acqui.
red and amount paid;
(b) when the project was sanctioned and
(d) if so, the date and amount of acquisi- the dctails of cxtent of irrigation envisaged
and thc estimated expenditure inVOlved;
tion; and
(e) the reasons for this inordinate dclay (c) thc amount so far spent, year-wisc
and exposing thc villagers to all sorts of since its inception and the reason for
miseries ? slowing down the project; and

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE


(d) whcn it is Iikcly to be complcted?
MINISTR Y OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWA RPRASAD):
(a) to (e). The information is awaited
from the Government of Mysorc and will be THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
laid on the Table of the Housc on its MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION ANn
receipt. POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD):
(a) to (d). Information is being collected
and will be laid on the Tablc of the House.
Hagri Bommaaaballi Project in Bellary
District (Mysore)
RefiniDg of Crude by Bormab Shell
72. SHRI S. A. AGADI: Will the
aod ESSO
Minister of IRRIGATION AND POWER
be pleased to state:
74. DR. RANEN SEN: Will the Minis-
(a) whether the Hagribommanaballi ter of PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS
Project (Irrigation) in Bcllary District of AND MINES AND METALS be pleased
Mysore State is completed; to state:

(b) if DOt, the reasons for thc delay; (a) whctber the Burmah·Shcll and Esso
Refineries at Bombay are refining more crude
(c) when the project was sanctioned and oil than their approved capacities; and
the original estimated amount and thc
extent of acreage envisaged; (b) if so, under what circumstances these
refineries were allowed to refine crude in
(d) how many times the I'Stimates were excess of their licensed capacities?
revised and tbe year ad tbe details of
amounts revi~; and

(e) how much amount has been spent on THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
tbis project 80 far? MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE (SHRI D. R. CHAVAN) : (a) and (b). Since
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 1963, thc Burmah-Sbell, and Esso refineries
POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD): have been authorised to opcrate at capacities
(a) to (c). Information is being collected in excess of thc licensed ones to meet tbe
and will be laid on tho Table of the House. increased demands of petroleum products.
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127 JULy 21, 1969 W,irlm AlUWI'8 128

~i&-a-"t' tbe 1968 policy and if 80, wbat (a> the total requirement of doctors and
cbulgea have been introduced; nurses in the country and how many dispen-
saries do not have any doctors and nurses;
(b) the extent of equity capital as well as
the loan and adVBDccs of the Public Sector (b) tbe scbemes of the Fourth Five Year
at present; and Plan under which the Government have
made provision for removing the shortage of
(c) the percentage of return during doctors and nurses;
1968-69 on tbe investments and what is
expected in tbe DeJ(t and subsequent yean?
(c) whether Government made any
survey to find out why people do not like to
1HE MINISTER OF STArn IN 1HE adopt nursing and medical profession and
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P.C if so, the result thereof; and
SETHI) : (a) The 1968 policy refem:d to by
the Honourable Member is not clear. As
regards in"estment in Public Sector, tbe (d) what Government propose to do in
policy continues to be that all investment this regard?
decisions shOUld be based on tbe scrutiny of
comprehensive Feasibility Studies/Detailed
Project Reports, prepared as thoroughly as THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
possible covering all the technical economic MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
commercial and financial aspects. ' , PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING
AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI
B. S. MURTHY): <a) the total require-
(b) and (c). At the end of 1967-68, ment of doctors and nurses on the basis
which is the latest year for which the of population is estima- ted at 170870
accounts of all the Central Government and 120000 respectively by tbe end of the
undertakings are available, the total invest- Fourth Five Year Plan.
ment in these enterprises was RI. 3,333
crores, comprising RI. 1,633 crores as equity
and RI. 1,700 crores as loan. In addition, At the end of March 1969, 352 out of
the loans taken by the enterprises under cash 4919 Primary Health Centres were without
credit arrangements for working capital pur- doctors. Information regarding vacancies
poses, amounted to Rs.200 crores. The in the posts of doctors and nurses in the
position regarding return from the investment dispensaries is not available.
in these enterprises in respect of 1967-68 i.
indicated in the •'Annual Report on tbe
Working of Industrial and Commercial (b) The schemes for the training of
Undertakings of the Central Government for doctors and nurses will be il;l the State sector
the year 1967-68" laid on tbe Tahle of the in the Fourth Five Year Plan. It is pro-
House on 13-5-1969. No estimate of return is posed to start ten more Medical Colleges in
available for 1968-69 and the subsequent the Fourth Plan to increase the admission
yean. capacity of tbe existing Medical Colleges
which i. about 12000 by 1500 more.
Similarly, facilities for the the training of
Requirement of Doctors and Nunes nurses are also proposed to be augmented so
in ladla as to train 8000 more nurses during tbe
Fourth Plan period.
78. SHRI PREM CHAND VERMA:
SHRI K. M. MADHUKAR:
SHRIMATI JYOTSNA CHANDA: (c) No survey of this nature has been
SHRI RAM AVTAR SHARMA: made hut so far as the Government are
aware, there is an increasing trend in the
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND country fOr training for the medical and
FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, nursing professions.
HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOP-
MENT be pleased to state: (d) Does not arise.
129 Written Answers ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Written Answers 130

RCpresMtatlon oC Himaellal Pradesh CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS


on Bbakra Control Board be pleased to state: •
79. SHRI .PREM CHAND VERMA: (a) whether the working results for the
Will the Minister of IRRIGATION AND financial year ending the 31st Marcb 1969
POWER be pleased to state: of Hindustan Insecticides Limited hav~ been
seen by him and whether any progress or
(a) whether Government are aware that deterioration has been reported;
people of Himachal Pradesh are faced with
difficulties because of un-reasonable attitude (b) whether the working of the Company
of Bhakra Control Board, although the is comparatively better than the past yean
project is on the Himachal Pradesb soil; or not, the total amoun' of profit and loss,
production, sale, export and stock inven-
(b) whether it is a fact that there are tories;
differences between the Himachal Pradesh
(c) whether during the last three years
Government and the Bhakra Control
the Company was being run by tbe same set
Board;
of officers, if so, the names of Cllairman,
Managing Director and Secretary indicating
(e) whether Government propose to give
for bow long they have been in that position
representation to Himachal Pradesh on the
alongwitb their .pay and allowances and
Bhakra Control Board and if so, when the
from where they have come there; and
decision is likely to be implemented; and
(d) the steps taken during the last year
(d) if not, the reasons Iherefor ?
to eradicate shortcomings of the past and
whether anything is done in order to build
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
up the reputation and image·oC the Company
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND among the Public? . '
POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD):
(a) No, Sir. .
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
(b) No differences have been reported MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND
between the Himachal Pradesh Government CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
and the Bhakra Management Board. (SHRI D. R. CHAVAN) : (a) No; the
accounts are being finalised and the annual
(c) Himachal Pradesh is already report and the audited balance sheet wi11
represented on the Bhakra· Management be submitted to Government after their
Board by its ChieC EDgineer, Multi-purpose appro"al at tbe annual general meeting
Projects and Power. of the sbareholders oC tbe company to be
held in September, 1969.
(d) Does not arise.
(b) In view of reply to (a), comparison
Hindustao Insecticides Limited New Delhi is not possible at the stage.

SO. SHRI PREM CHAND VERMA: (c) The required information is as


Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND under:-

Name Designation Since when Salary Remarks

1. Shai K. P. Chairman 27.9.1965 Honorary Non-oflicial


Madhavan Nair (appointment
renewable on
yearly
basis.
'2. Shri Mohd. Managing 15.12.1965 Rs.2,5OO Industrial
.Fazal Director in the Management
scale of Pool Officer
2000-100-2500
131 Writt~n Answers JULY 21, 1969 Written Answers 132

~ Name Des ignation Science when Salary Remark

3. Shri G. S. Secretary 11.3.1966 Rs. 1100 in Industrial


Chandekar the scale of Management Pool
11()()'s()'1400 Officer

(d) Does not arise. The company has made steady progress during the three years
and shown satisfactory working results.

Natlooal Board of Nutrition r.... Cbilclrea


Morarka Committee on L.I.C.
82. SHRI R. BARUA:
81. SHRI R. BARUA: SHRI N. K. P. SALVE:
SHRIMATI SAVITRI SHYAM: SHRI MANlBHAI J. PATEL:
SHRI SITARAM KESRI: SHRI P. M. SAYEED:
SHRI CHENGALRAYA NAIDU: SHRI Y. A. PRASAD:
SHRI N. R. LASKAR: SHRI N. R. LASKAR:
SHRI YASHPAL SINGI-!: SHRI CHENGALRAYA NAIDU:
SHRI J. M. BISWAS: SHRIR. R. SINGH DEO:
SHRI K. HALDER:
SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA: Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI: FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS,
, SHRI VASUDEVAN NAIR: HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT
SHRI RAGHUVIR SINGH SHASTRI: be pleased to state:
SHRI SRADHAKAR SUPAKAR:
(a> whether it is a fact that the Central
Will the Minister of FINANCE be Government propose to constitute a Nationa I
pleased to state : Board of Nutrition for children;

(b) if so, the main purpose of this board:


(a) whether it is a fact that Government and
have received the report of the Morarka
Committee on the Life Insurance Corpora-
(c) the otber details thereof?
tion;

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE


(b) if so, what are the main recommen- MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
dations made in the report; and PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING
AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (DR. S.
(c) how many of them have been CHANDRASEKHAR) (a) to (cl. A Work-
accepted by Government? ing Group has been constituted by the Plan·
ning Commission for the co-ordination of
Nutrition Policy and Programmes in respect
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE of all vulnerable sections of tho population
MINISTR Y OF FINANCE -(SHRI JAGA- including children. There is no prop~sa I
NNATH PAHADlA): (a) Yes, Sir. for the constitution of a separate Nutrition
Board for children. -
(b) Copies of the summary of the main
conclusions and recommendations contained Gold Reserves in Assam
in t!le report were laid on the Table of the
House on 12th May, 1969. ' 83 SHRI R. BARUA:
SHRI HEM RAI:
(c) The report is under consideration of SHRI CHENGALRAYA NAIDU:
Government. SHRI-N, R. LASKAR:
133 W,lttm Ans~rs ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Wrltte" A,...~,. 134

SHRI MAHANT DIGVIJAI NATH: Taluk in Tumkur District and Hiryur, •


SHRI D.N. PATODIA: Hosadurga talu ka in Chitradurga districts in
Mysore Slate;
Will the Minister of PETROLEUM
AND CHEMICALS AND MINES AND
METALS be pleased to state: (b) whether it is a fact that there are
some complaints against some mine-ownen
(a) whether it is a fact that the for cheating Government in the payment
preliminary in_tigations have established of royalty and other taxes;
the existence of rich gold reserves in Mawah-
lang area in Assam; (c) whether Government have conducted
an inquiry against those mine-owners; and
(b) if so, when a thorough survey is
likely fa be made in this area; (d) if so, with what results?

(c) whether Government have taken the "THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
possession of the area and Geologists have MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM" AND
been di reeted to have an immediate trending CHEMICALS AND MINES AND
and drilling in the area; and METALS (SHRI JAGANNATH RAO):
(a) to (d). The requisite information is
(d) if so, how far they have been being collected and will be laid on the Table
successful? of the House.
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND Setting np of Polyester Fibre Plant
CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS In Punjab
(SHRI JAGANATH RAO): (a) No, Sir. The
State Government of Assam who have carried 85. SHRI M. S. OBEROI: Will the
out the investigations, have reported that only Minisier of PETROLEUM AND CHEMI-
traces of gold were "detected during the preli- CALS AND MINES AND METALS be
minary investigation in the area. pleased to state :

(b) Detailed investigation of the mine- (a) whether it is a ract that the Govern-
ralised zone has been initiated in the area ment of Punjab have submitted a proposal
during 1968-69 field season by the Govern- to the Central Government for the sellin. up
ment of Assam. of a Polyo:ster Fibre Plant in that state; and
(c) No, Sir. The question of taking
possession of the area will arise afttr (b) if so, whether any decision has
establishing sizeable reserves of gold are. been taken by Government in this regard 7
The State Government have already depuled
Geo logists to carry out detailed investigation THE MIN~TER OF STATE IN THE
by trenching and lest drilling. MINISTRY DF PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
(d) OUI of 22 rock samples analysed,
(SHRI D. R. CHAVAN): (a) The Punjab
on Iy 3 samples are reported to have shown
State Industrial Development Corporation
gold values ranging from 0.8 gms. to 6.2 gms.
Ltd. submitted an application under the
of gold per metric tonne of rock.
Industries (Development & Regulation) Act,
Mine Owners in Mysore State" 1951 for a polyester plant.

84 SHRI A. SREEDHARAN: (b) The matter is still under considera-


SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: tion of Government.
Will the Minister of PETROLEUM
AND CHEMICALS AND MINES AND Smulllling of Gold and Watches
METALS be pleased to state:
86. SHRI A. SREEDHARAN :
(a) the number and names of mine SHRI K. LAKKAPPA :
owners operating in Chikka Nai Kanahall SHRI YASHPAL SINGH:
13S Written Answers JULY 21, 1969 Written Aruwers 136

SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN: WiJI above; and


the Minister oC FINANCE be pleased
to state: (c) the concrete steps taken b)
Government to minimise the smuggling?
(a) whether it is a tact tbat cases oC
smu!lBling oC gold and watches have consi- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
derably increased during the year 1968-69 as MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C.
compared to the last two years ; SETHI): (a) It is very difficult to say wbe-
ther smuggling oC gold and watches has
(b) iC so, the number of persons appre- increased during the year 1968·69. However
hended during the same period and how the value of gold and watches seized by the
many oC them were prosecuted and convicted Customs and Central Excise authorities
during tbe same period who were involved during the last three years is· given
in smuggling cases as referred in part (a) below:-

Yetii' Value of gold Value of watches


seized (at the seized.
international (Approx.)
monetary rate)
(Approx.)
-------------------_._-_._-
. 1966·67 Rs.192 lakbs Rs. 126 lakbs
1967·68 Rs.532 Rs.186
1968-69 Rs.386 Rs.248

(b) The information i. being collected THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE


and will be laid OIl the table of tbe Sabha. MINISTRY OF FINANCE· (SHRI P. C.
SETHI) : (a) The sale price of units was
(cl. Preventive staff have been redep!oy. raised from Rs. 10.80 to Rs. 10.85 per unit
ed to exercise betler control over vulnerable with effect from 19th May, 1969.
areas. ConHscated. Arab dhows have been
put on patrol duty. .Hovercrafts have been
tried out in Indian waters in orde~ to acquire (b) The repurchase price was also
them. Customs Act has been amended to raised from Rs. 10.40 to Rs. 10.45 per unit
facilitate detection of smuggled goods. with effect the same date.
Arrangements have also been made·for belter
coordination and collection of intelligence. (c) The sale price of units was raised
from time to time to take into account the
improvement in the value of the underly-
Sale ud Repurdlased PrI.cc of UnIts
ing securities of the Trust, as well as accrual
of further income since tbe previous fixation
87. SHRI MUHAMMAD SHERIFF:
WiJI the Minister of FINA}I(CE be pleased of the price.
t6 state:
Aid from International Development
(a) whether the Unit Trust of India has AssocIation
raised the sale price of units in the month
of May, 1969 ;
88. SHRI MUHAMMAD SHERIFF:
(b) wheiher repurchase price has also SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA:
been increased and if so, to what extent; SHRI DEVEN SEN :
SHRI CHINTAMANI PANI·
and
GRAHl:
(c) .the reasons -for the increase in
tbe unit price 1 Will the Minister of FINANCE be plea.
13; Written Answers ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Written AIISwers 138

sed to state : sentatives of Film Producers' Guild of India


Limited, Bombay, had a meeting with the •
(a) whether India has sought aid from Deputy Prime Minister in May, 1969 and
International.Development Association for a submitted a momorandum dated 29th May,
series of projects; 1969 dealing with various problems concern-
ing the film industry. The points raised
(b) whether India has sought aid for inclUde the following:
non-projects to meet the maintenance import
requirements of industries ; and (i) Relief in excise duty on colo"r films.
(c) the details of the aid sought from
the International Development Association (ii) Permission to allow clearance of
during the current year? prints of Cinematograph films exclu-
sively meant for export without
having to deposit any excise duty.
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C. (iii) Extension of the annuity scheme to
SETHI): (a) and (c). Yes, Sir. Requests have film producers and directors.
heen made for assistance for irrigation pro-
jects, agricultural projects and the Railway (iv) Introduction of a scheme of annuity
development programme. These are under insurance or deferred payment to
various stages of consideration. anistes, music directors etc.

(b) A request for non-project assistance (v) Facilities for promotion of exports.
fot maintenance imports is under prepara-
tion.
(c) The position in respect of the above
points is given below seriatim.

Finauce Minister'. Meeting with FUm


(i) The effective rates of excise duty on
Industry
colour films cleared in excess of the
first 3S prints of each picture have
89. SHRI S. K. TAPURIAH :
heen reduced with effect from 21th
SHRI R. V. NAIK :
JUDe, 1969 by 5 to 2S paise per
SHRI K. P. SINGH DEO:
metre <!epending on its length/width.
SHRI R. R. SINGH DEO
Complete exemption from excise
SHRI G. C. NAIK :
duty has alllO heen granted to prints
SHRI S. XAVIER:
of colour films cleared 12 months
SHRI J. MOHAMMED IMAM:
after certification. ,
Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to state: (ii) Under the existing procedure, prints
of exposed .films can be exported
<a) whether it is a fact that leaders of without payment of excise duty on
film industry met him in May this ycar to execution of a bond with surety or
,discuss the difficulties faced by the film security tbank guarantee.
h,dustry;
(iii) '" (iv) These points are under considera-
. (b) the salient features of the discussion tion .of the Central Board of Direct
and 'the points raised therein; and Taxes.
(c) the reaction of Government to the
POints raised ? (v) Facilities are provided to members
of the Film Industry for participation
at Internatioaal Film Festivals; loca-
THE' MINISTER OF STATE IN THE tkn shootill8' abroad, etc. Advance
MINISTRY OF FINANCE' (SHRI p. C. import licenaing is also permitted
SETHI) : (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. The repre- against anticipated exports.
139 Writ/elf Alfswers JUL Y 21, 1969 Wrillelf Answers

Iodas ColDlDission Report (b) who represents India on this Commi-


ssion and expenditure incurred on it annu-
aUy;
90. SHRI S. K. TAPURIAH : Will the
Minister of IRRIGATION AND POWER
be pleasod to state: (c) how many times the Commission
meets during a year and how the agenda for
(a) whether Government would lay on the a part icular meeting is prepared; and
Table of the House the report submitted by
the Indus Commission after _its meeting in (d) the useful purpose it has served so
Islamabad; far ?

Slalemelfl

Year Annual Expenditure

1961·62 Rs. 16,365


1962-63 Rs. 14,909
1963-64 Rs. 22,824
1964-65 Rs. 17,949
1965-66 Rs. 11,461
1966-67 Rs. 16,215
1967-68 Rs. 16,439
1968-69 Rs. 28,991
1969-70 Rs. 2,715
(upto May 1969)

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE India lind Pakistan. Matters arising out of
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND the Treaty which either Commissioner desires
POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD): to be discussod at a particular meeting are
(a) The Annual Report for the year ended included in the agenda.
on 31st March, 1969 submitted by the Perma-
nent Indus Commission, is, as in the previ- (d) The Permanent Indus Commission
ous years, beina placed on the Table of the has served the useful purpose in implemen-
House. tation of Indus Waters Treaty, 1960 which
was entered between Government of India and
(b) The Commissioner for Indus Waters, Government of Pakistan, in a spirit of good-
in the Ministry of Irrigation and Power will and friendship, with the help of World
represents the Government of India on the Bank. The purpose and functions of the
Commission. The expenditure incurred by Commission are to promote cooperation
Government of India annually on Ibe between the Parties in the development of
Commission is given in the attached state- waters of the Indus System of rivers. The
ment. functions of the Commission, inter·alia
include taking steps to implement the _pro-
visions of Annexure H to the Treaty (supply
(c) The number of meetings in a year of waters to Pakistan during the Transition
depends upon the number of subjecta to- be Period which ends in March 1970) and
discussed and the requests that either undertaking tour of inspections of the rivers
Commissioner may make for holding a for ascertaining the facts connected with
meeting. The Commission has generally various developments -and works on the
beeD meeting 3-4 times a year, alternately in rivers.
141 Written Answ..rs ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Written AnsWer. 142

I. O. C. Sallsidiary in Nepal ing Nepal. This will facilitate the conduct


of such business more effectively and will •
91. SHRI HARDA YAL DEVGUN : not in any way affect Indian interests adver-
SHRI YAJNA DATI SHARMA: sely. At present, the Marketing Division
SHRI TRIDIB KUMAR of the Indian Oil Corporation Limited has
CHOWDHURY: a sales office in Nepal, through which the
SHRI JAI SINGH: marketing of Indian oil products is handled.
SHRI K. LAKKAPPA: This office would be closed down and an
SHRIA. SHREEDHARAN: oflice of this subsidiary company will be
SHRI V. NARASIMHA RAO : opened there to look after the operations in
DR. SUSHILA NAYAR : Nepal.
SHRI MAHANT DIGVIJAI NATH:
SHRI R. V. NAIK : Wealth of Sbeikb Abdullah and Mirza
SHRI D. N. PATODIA : Arml Beg.
SHRI K. P. SINGH DEO :
SHRI R. R. SINGH DEO : 92. SHRI HARDA YAL DEVGUN :
SHRI R. K. AMIN : SHRI SHRI GOPAL SABOO :
SHRI SRINIBAS MISRA: SHRI RAM SINGH AYARWAL:
SHRI J. MOHAMMAD IMAM: SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA:
SHRI K. M. KAUSHIK : SHRI ONKAR SINGH:
SHRI P. VISHWAM8HARAN : SHRI SHARDANAND :
SHRI HIMATSINGKA : SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE:
SHRI BIBHUTI MISHRA : SHRI SURAJ BHAN :
SHRI S. A. AGADI : SHRI BRIJ BHUSHAN LAL:
DR. RANEN SEN: SHRI RAM GOPAL SHALWALE:
. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU : SHRI JAGANNATH RAO JOSHI:
SHRI N. R. LASKAR : SHRI RANJEET SINGH:
SHRI YAJNA DATI SHARMA:
SHRI JAI SINGH:
Will the Miaister of PETROLEUM
AND CHEMICALS AND MINES AND
.METALS be pleased to state: Will the Minister of FINANCE be plea-
sed to refer to the reply given to Unstarred
Question No. 7080 on the 21st April, 1969
(a) whether it a fact that a Subsidiary of and state:
Ihe Indian Oil Corporation is going to be
formed in Nepal; <a) whether an enquiry about the
wealth of Sheikh Abdullah and Mirza ACzal
(b) if so, the reasons therefor; Beg in their names and in the names of their
wives, sons, daughters and sons-in-law and
(c) the present arrangements for the its source has since been collected ;
distribution of petroleum products of Indian
Oil Corporation in Nepal and what will be (b) if so, the delails thereof; and
the new arrangements in this regard; and
(c) if not, the steps taken by Govern-
(d) the pros and cons of the new ment to expedite the collection of the requi-
arrangements and the way this will affect site information?
Indian interest'!
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE, <SHRI P. C.
MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND SETHI): <a) The enquiries are still going on.
CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
(SHRI D. R. CHAVAN) <a) to (d). The (b) Does not arise.
Indian Oil Corpotation Limiled has fo~'
a wholly owned subsidiary company to carry <c) Notices under the Wealth Tax Act
on business in countries outside India.includ- have been issued to the various persons.
143 Written Answers JULY 21, 1969 Wr/llen AnsK",rs 144

The returns have not yet been received. They Location of Iacome Tax Oll"ice at Dbeokanal,
will be scrutinised. when received. In case Orissa
there is any unaccounted for acquisition
of wealth, it will be brought to assessment 94. SHRI K. P. SINGH DEO: Will the
and -other necessary action under the law Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state:
will be taken.
(a) whether Government have now finalised
the location of the InCome Tax OffiCe at
Collection of Evaded Income-Tax.
Dhenkanal, Orissa;

93. SHRI K. P. SINGH DEO: Will the


(b) if so, the progress made so far; and
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state:
(c) if not, the reasons for the delay?
(a) whether, in response to an appeal
made by the Income-Tax Department for THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
public cooperation for recovery of evaded MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C.
Income-Tax, there has been any response SETHI): (a) to (c). Yes, Sir. The Income-
from the public; tax Office at Dhenkanal, at Orissa, has been
opened with effect from the lst July, 1969.
(b) if so, the amount of Income-Tax
recovered during the last three years as a / Achievements through I. U. C. D. for
result of public cooperation, the time taken Curbing Populatlou Growth.
to dispose of such type of cases and to finalise
rewards to the informants; 95. SHRI N. K. P. SALVE: Will the
Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY
(c) whether any such cooperation has PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING
come from Orissa; and AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased
to state:
(d) if so, the amount recoYCred during
(a) whether it is a fact that the IUCD
the last three years and the amount of reward
pr08ramme for eurbina population growth
money paid 7
has not been as successful as expected owing
to the reason that in most cases the device
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE was not being used consistently;
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C.
SETHI): (a, Yes, Sir. (b) whether any research has been under-
taken by his Ministry for providing alterna-
(b) Till: information is not readily avail- tive to I. U. c. D.;
a ble and its collection will involve enormous
time and labour. As regards the time taken (c) whether comparative benefits or other-
to dispose of cases where informers give in- wise of the oral pill and other foreign inven-
formation. it depends upon the type of tions and the I. U. C. D. have been assessed
information given. So far as rewards are by his Ministry; and
concerned, they can be aiven only after the
cases are finalised and additional tax is reali- (d) if so, the results thereof 7
sed or its realisation poses no difficulty.
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
(e) Yes, Sir. PLANNING, AND WORKS, HOUSING
AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (DR. S.
(d) The amount-of tax recovered durina CHANDRASEKHAR): (a) The I. U. C. D.
till: last three years as a. result of information programme which was introduced durina 1965
given by informers and rewards paid to tlll:m had an initial succ:ess which was followed by
is beina collected and will be laid on the a sliaht setback. The programme is regain-
Table of the House. ina its popularity.
145 Wrillen Answers ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Wrillell Answers 146

(b) Research on i'mprovemeilt of present (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD): (a)


methods, including I. U. C. D., and develop- and (b). The Naramada Water Disputes"
ment of new methods is in progress. TrIbunal has not yet been constituted.

(c) and (d). Yes. Usefulness and effective- (c) and (dl. The Chief Minister of
ness of the various methods and devices are Madhya Pradesh had written to the Prime
delermined on the basis of continuing Minister suggesting that futher attempts
evaluation through Indian Council of Medi- should be made to settle the dispute by nego-
cal Research. Such studies are still in pro- tiations. Since the Government of Gujarat
gress. are not in favour of further discussioD5 on
the subject, wbich bas been pending for over
Tribunal on Narmada Water Dispute six years, the decision to refer the dispute
for adjudication stands. -
96. SHRI N. K. P. SALVE:
SHRI D. N. PATODlA:
SHRI SRADHAKAR SUPAKAR:
SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA:
SHRI R. BARUA: 97. q) SIlmR~~:
SHRI N. R. LASKAR:
SHRI CHENGALRAYA NAIDU:
'" 1I1~~ ~:
SHRI S. K. TAPURIAH: . q) i\o.-o ~:
SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY:
SHRI PKAKASH VIR SHASTRI: 'flIT ~ ft1IT ~ ~ am:
SHRI D. R. PARMAR: f~, ,atRRT ft1IT om)q ~ ~ ~
SHRI YASHWANT SINGH
, KUSHWAH: if1!f.t tt 'li'lIT ",'{it f'" :
SHRI HUKAM CHAND
KACHWAI: ("') qf~<m: f'iI<i'r.r;r ~ ~ fil;a.ft
SHRI D. V. SINGH: ar«c:r~ SI1Tf6" ~ ~;
SHRI NATHU RAM AHIRWAR:
SHRI RAM AVTAR SHARMA:
SHRI NITlRAJ SINGH CHAU-
(~) 'flIT ~. ~'if ~ f", flW<f iii m
DHARY: ~1 if ~ ;;rR ifr.ft ~ II1t ~
SHRI SHASHI BHUSHAN: aftqf'f ~~'" SI'litIT tt ;;rr ~ t;
SHRI YASHPAL SINGH:
SHRI P. N. SOLANKI:
(If) 'flIT"ItrnI" ~~ il" ~ tftfOflif
'f'{mur flI;zrr ~; am:
SHRI S. M. SOLANKI:
SHRI JUGAL MONDAL: 'I'T 'f.~

WiIIlhe MinisterofIRRIGATION AND ("1") lIf~ ~, CIT ~~ 'flIT qf~url1f


POWER be pleased to stale:
f~P
(a) whether the Narmada River Water
dispute has been referred to a Tribunal; ~ ft1IT ..rom ~ Awfar,
(b) if so, the names of Ihe members of atRRT ft1IT ~ ~ '"""'" if m'II
the Tribunal; ~) (Wlo 1Ifttmr~) : (~) <:I~1if
, Qm 'it 1ft iii ~~H mom:
~:;r;r(,
(c) whether any objection bas been raised
by the Government of Madhya Pradesh in
f.rtit;;r;r ~ if gi lIlIf'f ~ lAiR
regard to the same and if so, the nature of ~:-.
objections; and
(l)~~
(d) the. pr~nt stage of the issuo ?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE MI-


('f.) 1968-6~ iii ~ 16,49,68
NISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND POWER (~)
. /
147 W,illerr Answers JULY 21, 1969 Wrillerr ArrslI'e" 148

(~) 1969-70 iii <m:ror 1,29,948 ~ iii m if ftfircrr if t; 311<:


(mam~)
(If) li~ ~, cit w ~ if 'IlfT
(tr) '« ~ ~ ~garr ~aTn:~~ ?
t Oil' ~ fifiir qit ~
~ 60,32,656 ~ t'l'fT ~~ f~ am: f.rqfGr,
0"0
8lmlI' ft'rT lI'RTli fWm ~"" if ~
2) '" ~ I#!Ift (~. ~): (~) lNTiI'
(~) 1968-69 iii~)u;r 4,72,539
iii ;r~ ~ f;rImr ~ ~
~T
(cmro)
~ ltilli anft 'itT amiI~ ltiT f~
('9) 1969-70 iii <m:ror 46,334 if t I
(mam ~)
('9) ;;ft, ~ I ~cr "llqij' iii ~
(tr) ~;m ~ ~ garr if iii ~ m<m:T f.rqm ~
lNTiI' ~!ft
~ Oil' ~ lIfif WIi "i!- iii flflJfvr ~ f;ruil:r ffi'lif'l: i!t ~ f<'fliT
;rrit qit ~;;r orr 29,10,291 ~,

(I!f) ;;IT ~ I

(tr) am: (tr) ;;IT ~ I ~


Working of Public UDder-
f,ff.f;m iIfi!~ m:"'~ it miIToft' af.rt;
~o,,"Proftlable
takings
~1 lI\'t ~1f.r~ ;;rf;r-~ ltiT ~
am:
11Tm if 6T~ ~'9 iii 3!'ft;r 12 99. SHRI S. R_ DAMANI: Will the
~lI\'t~iii~If~~Tf~ Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state:
~ t I ~ Ilalf.:n:, .. lti ifToft' ~T
256 IfTIiWf qf<41"'''It{ W iii<: eft Iff ~ (a> whether it is a fact that in his Press
am m ~ fu)if ltiT ~ A;zrr
Conference on the 22nd May. 1969 he referred
to ·the non-profitable working of Public Sector
~~t I Industries and that the deficiencies haye now
been realised by Goyernment;
SI'fA q!lft • ~ ii1n ~ ~
(b) if so, the nature of deficiencies that
Goyernment haye recognised;
98. ~SI~~:
~ ~timr: (c> whether attention of GOYernment was
~~~: drawn to all or some of the deficiencies in
the past by yarious Study Teams and Com-
'IlfT ~ ~,~ ~ am: mittees; and

for., ammf ft'rT iI1ftP;r fimw If'JiT (d) the reasons for not taking immediate
appropriate action in the past to remOYe
li~ iRIf.I' ~ ~ ~~ flti: . the deficiencies and .the steps now proposed
to set them right so that the undertakings
(iii) <:lT~ lNTiI' ~T f.rqm ~mil" may be worked in a way to yield profits?
iii f.r11fur iii m
if 'IlfT wmr gt ~;
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C.
('9) 'IlfT iRTli ~<m: lIfif "1ft m;r SETHI): (a> At a Press Conference on the
~~ "'" lNTiI' ~T ~ f.rqm ~ 22nd May. 1969, the Union Finance Minister
149 Written Answers ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKAl WrItten Answers ISO

inter aUa referred to the profitability of , (c) The ad valorem duty was introduced
Public Enterprise., and also indicated that for certain varieties of cotton fabrics having.
steps are being taken to set right the defici- regard to the fact that before the budget
ency, wherever they exist, in the operation of when these varieties were being assessed at
these enterprise~. specific rates, they bore a low incidence of
duty as compared to otber fabrics of that
(b) The factors which militate against the price range. There is presently no proposal
attaiment of optimum efficiency by some to change the pattern of levy on these costly
Public Enterprises and also the measures varieties of cotton fabrics.
taken to remedy these deficiencies are indi-
cated in the Document entitled "Public
Sector Enterprises-A Memorandum", cir- Tats Fertilizer Project
culated atong with the Budget documents on
28.2.1969. 101. SHRI S. R. DAMANI:
.SHRI D. N. PATODIA:
(c) Yes, Sir. SHRI SRADHAKAR SUPAKAR:
SHRI K. LAKKAPPA:
(d) Government have all along tried to SHRI HIMATSINGKA:
improve the working of public enterprises by SHRI BAIDHAR BEHARA:
adopting various measures like giving greater SHRI SRINIBAS MISRA:
autonomy to public enterprises, putting in SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA:
people successful in the field of management in SHRI INDRAJIT GUPTA:
charge of major public enterprises. remowng SHRI YASHPAL SINGH:
chief executives who have not proved success- SHRI A. SREEDHARAN:
ful, assisting in introducing modern manage- SHRI R. R. SINGH DEO:
ment techniques in operation of public enter- SHRI R. K. AMIN:
prises. etc. It has always been Government'. SHRI J. MOHAMMED IMAM:
intention that public enterprises shall run in SHRI G. C. NAIK:
such a manner that they may fulfill all their SHRI S. XAVIER:
objectives, including profit objective. SHRIMATI ILA PAL-
CHOUDHURI:
Excise Duty on Grey Textile Manufacturers SHRI P. M. SA YEED:
SHRI MANIBHAI J. PATEL:
100. SHRI S. R. DAMANI: Will the SHRI D. R. PARMAR:
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: SHRI S. M. SOLANKI:

(a) whether it is a fact that in the past, Will the Minister of PETROLEUM
excise duty was the lowest on grey textile AND CHEMICALS AND MINES AND
manufactures and that the duly increased METALS be pleased to .tate:
with the processing methods involved;

(b) whether it is also a fact that under (a) whetber the proposal of Taw for
lhe new ad valorem duty on certain specified setting up a fertilizer factory at Mithapur
categories of cloth no such distinction is has been finally dropped;
maintained and that the distinction continues
in respect of other non-specified qualities (b) if so, the reasons that weighed
which are under specific duties; and against the proposa I;

(c) the reasons for removing the distinc- (c) if not, whether Government have
tions when ad valorem duty was thought of taken final decision in regard to setting up
for certain categories and whether Govern- of the Tata project and if an, the details
ment would like to examine to matter thereof; and
afresh?
(d) if not, tbe reasons for delay and
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE at what stage the matter rests and how long
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. c. more it is likely to take for a decision in tbe
SETHI) : (a) and (b). Yes, Sir. . mailer?
151 Wrillen Answers JULY 21, 1969 Wrillen AlUwers 152

THE MINISTER OF STATE "IN THE CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND (SURI D. R. CHAVAN) : (al Yes.
CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
(SHRI D. R. CHAVAN) : (a) No. (bl The required information is given
below'-

(b) Does not arise. In terms of the Purchase Order, the


party was committed to supply 2,50,000
(c) No final decision has j)een taken. number of barrels, a part of which could be
obtained out of IOC's steel. In view of
(d) The proposal contains some special this, while the arbitrator's award mentioned
features which require to be examined that Hind Galvanising and Engineering
carefully from all angles. The promoter.! Company cannot be relieved of their obli-
have also indicated that are contemplating gation to supply the balance quantity of
some revisions. It is not possible to indicate barrels, it did not alter the terms of the
when a final decision will be taken. Purchase Order as to the source of steel
out of which barrels were to be fabricated.
Electri8cation of Bhakra Village
The Indian Oil Corporation do not have
102. SHRI DHIRESWAR KALlTA: information TCglrding the barrels supplied
Will the Minister of IRRIGATION AND by MIs. H. G. E. C. to other oil companies.
POWER be pleased to state: They informed the I.O.C., that they were
not getting cold rolled steel.
(a) whether it is a fact that Bhakra
Village which lent its name to the mighty The Indian Oil Corporation and MIs.
Bhakra Dam still remains unelectrified; and H.G.E.C. reached a settlement after· the
arbitrator's award under which Indian Oil
(b) if so, the reasons therefor? Corporation was to supply to H.G.E.C.
steel to the extent of 75,267 barrels and
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE HGEC was to supply 36,000 barrels from
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND their own cold r.olled steel before 31st
POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR December, 1968 subject to availabnity of
PRASAD): (a) and (b). Directions were given steel with the fabricators. As against 36,000
to electrify the .Bhakra yjllage three m!>nths numbers Mis. H:G.E.C. supplied only 15,079
back. Work is in progress. numbers from their own cold roUed steel upto
31st December, 1968. For the balance, they
Supply of Barrels by MIs. Hlad GalYIIIIIsing advised that they had not been getting enough
and Eagineering Compaay to Indiaa Oil quantity of cold roUed steel and they would
Corporatioa . supply cold roUed SleeLbarrcls as and when
rolled steel was made available to them.
103. SHRl SITARAM KESRI: Will Considering the urgency of their requirements
the Minister of PETROLEUM AND and to avail of HGEC's low fabrication rate,
CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS the I.O.C. decided to supply their own steel
be pleased to refer to the repl~ )liven to for the balance quantity of 20,921. barrels yet
Unstarred Questioo No. 6301 on the 14th to be delivered by 31.12.1968. No breach of
April, 1969 and state: agreement if involved and no privilege was
shown to Mis. Hind Galvanising and Engi-
(al Wheth~r Government have since neering Company.
collected all the information;
(c) Does not arise.
(b) if so, the details thereof; and
Import of Gauge Steel Sheets by OU
(c) if noi, how much time it is likely Refineries.
to take?
104. SHRI SITARAM KESRI : Will
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMI-
MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND CALS AND MINES AND METALS be
IS3 W,IJJ"n Answers ASADHA 30, 1891 (SA~A) Written Answers 154
, pleased to state : be pleasCd to state :

(a) the specifications and sizes of 24 (a) the quantity of bro"ze consumed
sause steel sheets imported by each Oil and actual requirements in ,the country during
Refinery durinS the years 1966 to 1968 for the year 1968-69;
the manufacture of bitumen drums;
(b) the quantity. imported and quantity
produced indisenously during the same
(b) the C.I.F. price per ton paid by each period; and
of these Refineries for import of such sheets
durinS these years; (c) the likely savins in consumption of
bronze with the indisennus production of a
new substitute product called "Silvery Bronze"
(e) tbe averase numbers of bitumen
which has now been paten ted as Indian
drums manufactured by MIs. Burmah-Shell
Patent Specification No. 87430 and which has
Refineries out of one metric tonne of such
been given a National Award by the
imported steel sheets; and
Inventions Promotion Board ?

(d) the averase numbers of bitumen THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE


drums received by MIs. Esso Standard MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND
Refinery Co., and Callex Refineries from the CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
fabricators out of one metric tonne of such (SHRI JAGANATH RAO) : (a) to (c). The
imported bitumen drum sheets supplied by information is being collected and will be
these Refineries to them? laid on the Table of the House.

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN·THE Smugglins of Gold From Dohai in Persian


MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND Gulf
CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS 106. SHRI YASHPAL SINGH:
(SHRI D.R., CHAVAN): (a) and (b). Details SHRI M. L. SONDHI :
siven in the statement laid on the Table of SHRI PRAKASH VIR SHASTlu
the House. [Placed In Library. See No. LT- SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU :
1269/69] SHRI HIMATSINGKA:
SHRI D. N. PATODIA :
(c) The number of drums manufactured SHRI YAMUNA PRASAD
out of one tonne of imported steel separately MANDAL:
is not available. However the actual number SHRI RAGHUVIR SINGH
of drums manufactured per tonne out of both SHASTRI
imported and indigenous steel during
1966-61 are as under :- Will the Minister of FINANCE be
pleased to state :
1966 98.93
(0) whether Government have seen the
1967 92.06
97.38 press report in the Hindustan Times dated
1968
the 31st May, 1969 where-in it has beeo
(d) The averase numbers of bitumen stated that Gold worth S ISO million and
drums obtained out of one tonne of steel other goods are smuggled annually into India
by MIs. Esso Standard and Callex Refineries from Duhai, ihe tiny trucial ,Sheiklidlim in
are 94 and 97 respectively. the Persian Gulf;

(b) if so, Goveromenfs reaction thereto;


Consumption and Reqalrement of Bronze and

lOS. SHRI YASHPAL SINGH (c) the steps taken or proposed to be


SHRI K. LAKKAPPA : laken to curb the illegal traffic of smuggling
SHRI A. SREEDHARAN into India?
DR. SUSHILA NAYAR :'
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C.
CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS SETHI) : (a) Yes, Sir.
ISS' Wrlll"" Answers JULY 21, 1969 Wrillen Anlwers I S6

(b) and (c). The problem of smullllling f~ ~ if ~ ~ ("'T 51'0 .0 mit):


"into and out of India has been' engaging the
allention of the Government. (iF) \ifI' ~11

Intensified measures are being taken all ('!f) ~~ ~ 8J1oft;r, !if'!" ~;r<lft
over the country for preventing smullllling.
Beller vigilance is also being exercised in the
am:r ~ amrRl!O ili<l1" ilfTlI" ~ ~ iliR: !ifq
coastal areas supported by beller collection W1r ~ arfoR:l!O ar..zr q~frfzlT ~
of intelligence. redeployment of stall" etc.
Recently the Customs Act, 1962 has also
~ ~ ~ql'[ m
ifI'U <'11lTlI"T \iff
been amended for facilitating the detection ~~ ~, flJ;m 'U'ilT f.fcn;r m:rr rnT ;:r@
of smuggled articles. <'11lTlI"T \iff ~'fiCIT I ~~ ~ i!i¥", ~.
W1r ~ ~~, <FlIT am l'Il[lit 'ilTlt
~ 1968·69 if ~ 1Ii~ IIiT "",m 'lAT !l'ttlft~"'! ~ ~o'll~am:
108. '1T. fq: : 'IlfT ~ ~T lI"~ ~ 'U'ilfT ~ iIi<'l1'fT ili<l1" ~iI" ~T it,
Offlf.t 'I>i' ~ rn fi!;: 'U'ill" mr.r ~maif am m~ ~ ~
252 ~ aRI"~o, ~lJ ~n;r it 'I'm f;roit Ifit
(iF) ~ it ~ l'ITIIl 'I>i'mr
f~T ~ ~ iITTf~ it <ft!: ~~ ~~ am
~ f~ ~ 1968·69 it ~fif ~ <'11lTlI"T <'11lTlI"T ;;IT ~ ~ am:~;iIzr ll':iFR aRT
>TlI"T~; am: ~ fiFlfT \iff ~i!T t I ~ ~'e(lf""" ffzrfo
('!f) 'IlfT~iFff~~n~
It>1 m ~, ilfTlI"-~ iliR: ~ W'iF

l'IqA am: ~ rn iFf ~Nt<f 'U'ilT ",qA o'll ~ rn


iFf iFT1f 'U'ilTT It>1
~ iFf ~ ~ ~1 <rom ~, cffllfR
'il'lti'Rllt>1 ~ iFf ~ ?
lfGITl'IT srnr~ efl;c ~ U'CI)q;;r;:riF m
""' ~if~~(," 51'0.0 ~T): ~W.tl ~~ f;;Jit 'IlT ~
(iF) ~ it for.r ~ it amI' ~ ~T 'ilnT ~ arr~;ro tI
1!f'f-'f>{'Ill'~ ~ ~~~..".
~ apf!IT flliA; fif'i:[ I!f'f.'f>{ arf~,
nr..tf it! f';;jq. f;m;i\' IliT ~ "
1957 'I>i' tmT 14 (2)~ aRl"ljo ~ 110• ..,ft.~: ~ ,",f (I'IT
f.!lm:vr if1t 1968·69 ~ f~ ;ftf~ 'ilRT ~ ~ lI"i! ;roflt ~T!i'fT ~i:iT f'17 :
fil>!!; Ifit ~, ~T ~~ 1,05,934 ~ I
(iF) f'iIf'!l"";; U;;ll"T iT !if'!" lM;;r;:rr
('!f) 'ill' o:r@ I
~ f",it !'ffi ~T f~T ~ n: If< 'l"T
mJi'f rm ITiif "" q;;ft \iffcft t;
109. '" ~ fq:: 'IlfT "'"' 11',," 1ft!: ('!f) 'IlfT ~ .iFT fcr;m: U~T
;r6R""'~ rnfi!;: U;;ll"T it ~ n: <'fl'll rn iFf ~ ; iliR:

( iF ) 'IlfT am:r.~ am: ~ ~\o1fi (If) m m ~ U;;ll" f~ iF!


~o rn am: "W'f rn "" ~. ",~o:r ~i'i o~ r.r 'ilTlt iFf IlT'i f",m;ff i'r
m!R<f 'U'ilT ~nl ~ ~ iFf ll':iFf~ ~mt?
iFf~; arr~
nr..tf \'I'" f~ ~ if :a'q-
(w) zrf'l" t!:f ffi f.!ilr mm ~ am: ~ ('" fim~ SRfR): (~) ,f;;ll"

1f~ o:rtT, <IT wt 'IlfT ;rnvr ~ ,? fiI"orl'lT ;rTi ~T ;ro) !if'!"-\'f~


IS7 Written Answers ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Written AlUwer. IS8

it; f<'l'l!; ~ ~~~~ m POWER be pleased to stll,le :



~ ;;IT ~ qe.r ~ ~ T1it f<mUl' if (a) whether it is a fact that there is a
mni TIf ~ I ~"'If.it ~ fW IfIfT I threat of Hoods to Assam aDd North Bengal;

~ w.n LT/1270/69 (b) if so, the steps Government have


taken or propose to take to prevent Hoods in
these areas;
(iii') ~~~~ ~lfif~ ~ fit;
<'IT, ~ ;;nit ;mfi ~T it ~ ~ it (e) whether it is a fact tbat the erosion
~~ orrt
;;n ~ I ~srm: iJiT ~ caused by the Brahmaputra has already
posed a grave threat to the town of Dhubri,
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ arfrof "llrnrllf m Assam; and
q;fIlIT ~ ~~ I
(d) if so, wbat steps bave been takeD to
protect the town from this grave threat?
ar.rm mit ~ 'U"If
(T1) ~ftmurr it;
~ ~ ~~ f1A' fIR ~T ~ THE DE~UTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
~~~I POWER lSHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD):
(a) Floods in the river Brahmaputra in
Reduction Iii FluDcial Help From I. M. F. Assam aud in North Bengal rivers occUr
almost every year.
III. SHRI HEM BARUA : Will the (b) The State Governments have taken
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: up Hood control measures such as embank.
ments, town protection works, anti-crosion
(a) Whether it is a fact that the Inter· works, etc., and are continuiDg these works,
national Monetary Fund has decided to cut which when completed will go a long way
down financial help to India and if so, the in reducing damage due to Hoods.
reasons therefor; aDd
(c) Severe erosion has been taking place
near Dhubri town SiDce January, 1969, which
(b) the sources from which India hopes
has affected parts of Dhubi town.
to get Hoancial help and whether these
sources have stipulated any conditioDS?
(d) Temporary protection measures by
launching bamboo raflS, Hoatina cages etc.,
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE have been taken to retard the erosion.
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C. Permanent measures are under investigatio.n.
SETHI) : (a) No, Sir.
CompletioD of POIIg Dam
(b). We hope to get development
assistance from international institutions like 113. SHRI HEM RAJ:
the World Bank and from friendly countries. SHRI RAM SWARUP VIDYARTHI:
The terms aDd conditions on which assistance SHRI J. SUNDER LAL:
is available vary and depend on the nature SHRI NARAIN SWARUP SHARMA:
and source of the assistance. SHRI OM PRAKASH TYAGI:
SHRI BHOLA NATH MASTER:
Floods In Assam and North Bengal
Will the Minister of IRRIGATION
AND POWER be pleased to state:
112. SHRI HEM BARUA :
SHRI BENI SHANKER SHARMA:
(a) whether it is a fact that he has
SHRI TULSIDAS DASAPPA :
requested for the allocation of more funds
SHRI D. N. PATODIA : besides Rs. 27 ·crores provided in lhe draft
Fourth Five Year Plan for the early com·
Nillthe Minister of IRRIGATION AND pletion of the Rajasthan Canal;
159 Written AlISwers JULY 21, 1969 Wrl/len Answers 160

(b) w!lether it is also a fact that if this are, however, being taken to suitably modify
C is not provided then the work of the the definition of oustees to debar such new
completion of the Pong Dam will be delayed purchasers to reap the benefits of rebabilita-
and the rehabilitation of the Pong Dam tion in Rajasthan.
oustees will be held up; and

(c) if so, the reaction of Government


mron, nmt ~ ~ ~.=\ flmm:
thereot"? rmr.narl.=\ ~\'RI111iT ~ ~ it;
. ~ tQq mfifl .
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND 115. ,,) ~ifii; 'iIl.m : 'flIT fntt
POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
PRASAD): (a) Yes, Sir. em ~Ff. ~'lfr ~ i«lf.t If>'t ~ <Ri'r
f~ :
(b) Yes, Sir.
(IF) ~T ~ ~r fcritlllT mlrfa
(c) The question of providing additional
CfiI"A 1FT m:IFT<: 'FT ~. ~ ;;r) f~r
funds for the Rajasthan Canal during the
Fourth Fi~e Year Plan has already been f~m am: iIT<J" f.r~ ;i;"r fcffir~ rrr;;r;n:3fT
taken up with the Planning Commission. IFr ~ 1FT ~ <'l11Tiim; am:
The position is to be reviewed after recom-
mendations of the Fifth Finance Commission
become available. . ('11") lf~ ~T, cit ~ ~.~ if m:'FT<:
if ~ f'l'li"lf f'FlfT ~ ~~T '3"~ ~flrfu ~
Purcbase oC Laad in Pong Dam oC Rajasthan ~~ IFFf-'fOFf i5!ffiffi" ~ am: ~ 'flIT m
~m?
114. SHRI HEM RAJ: Will the
Minister of IRRIGATION AND POWER
~ <'11fT mr
q:~ if '3"1f.q:~
am:
o"
be pleased to state:
(11ft f~ smq): (IF) ('11").
(a) whether it is a fact that many rich ;l;fumr if ~, 1969 if ~ U~lfl·~
people from Bombay, Calcutta, Uttar Pradesh fEr~ if f~r ~"'lf1Il 'lit ;f0<li if
Assam, Delhi al)d Punjab are purchasing
lands in the Ponl Dam area (which is going lf~ 'fIiJif fG:!IT lflfT !IT fit; fErm, iI"~
to be submerged) to reap the benefit of ~ ar1<: finr.Tr qron;;r;naiT ~ ~rsil
rehabilitation in Rajasthan; and
1FT ~iI"f rn ~ f~1!; <:rill" m:~T rnr
~ ~r.n:r «mea 'FT;;rr;ft 'ifTf~ I
(b) if so, the extent oC land purchased
by them-'IDd the steps Government propose ~ ~ ~"'" ~"IIi\CT 'I1t ;:T;;lf m:~ ~
to take to check and stop such spurious qr~ 'IiT~ ~ ~IfT tflfT ~ I
sales?

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE


~~ 3l'fuftifff ~~1lf ~ if <:1~
MINISTR Y OF IRRIGATION AND ~T ~ m'l" ~Til: 'F1:~, ~~ if f~
POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR ~ flA;m alIT "'arfiCfff ~flIT311 1FT ~­
PRASAD): (a). Some people from Calcutta,
U. P. Delhi and Punjab (but none from "')~ 'F1:if ~ fl'!1!; I!;IF f~ arfll'tlf ~ff
Bombay and Assam) have purchased lands fil;!IT ~ I arrtfttr 'FT 1f00f aft, f<r.rl'u,q-
in Pong Dam area. ~ ~ qr.r If<: ~ Iflr femvr ii f~!IT

(b) Land to the extent of 26 acres


lflfT ~ I ~~r.rn- if <:I!T ~ tflffl f~
approximately has been purchased. Steps ~ LT-1271/69]
161 Written .4Juwer. ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Wrlttfm Annve. 162

Sdleduled Tribes In tile Oft'lo:e of THE MINISTER OF STATE-IN THE •


A_tant General, Blbar MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING
117. SHRI KARTIK 'ORAON: Will AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to B. S. MURTHY): (a) No definite target
state: was laid down about the number of squatter
families to be resettled uplo March, 1967.
(a) whether Government are aware of However, tbe number of families squatting
the fact that there are many employees in on public land was estimated at 50,000 when
the Office of the Accountant General, Bihar, the Scheme was formulated in 1960.
who have secured jobs as member oC
Scheduled Tribes, even though they do not (b) 22,m
belong to such tribes;
(c) 17,436
(b) if so, the details thereoC; and
(d) The question does not anle lIS
(c) if not, whether the complete list of there was no definite target for re-sett1e-
the members of Scheduled Tribes along with ment.
tho position beld, name of Ihe tribe to which
they belong will be laid on the Table? (e) Does Bot arise.

Excess Acquisition of Land In Delhi


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTR Y OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C. 119. SHRI KARTIK ORAON :
SETHI) : (a) to (c). The information is being SHRI RAM SWARUP
collecled and will be laid on the table of Ihe VIDYARTHI :
House as soon as available. SHRI SHRI CHAND GOYAL:
SHRI TENNEll VISWANA-
THAM:
Resettlement of Squatters' Families
in Delbl Will the -Minister of HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS,
118. SURI KARTIK ORAON: HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT
SHRI RAM SW.o\RUP VIDYARTHI: be pleased to slate :
SHRI SHRI CHAND GOYAL:
SHRI TENNETI VISWANATHAM: (a) how many acres of land was acquired
SHRI M. L. SONDHI: in Delhi upto Marcb, 1967;

Will the Minister of HEALTH AND (b) whether it is a fact tbat tile laod
FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, was acquired far in excess of requirements;
HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOP- if so who is responsible for tbis excas acquis-
MENT be pleased to slate: tion and what is the loss sustained by
Government;
(a) Ihe number of squatters' families in
Delhi 10 be resettled upto March, 1967; (c) the action proposed to be taken
against tbe officers responsible for tbis excess
(b) how many of them were aclually acquisition; and
settled till Ihal dale;
(d) if Dot, tbe reasons therefor?
(c) Ibe number of squatters' families
reseltled afler March, 1967 to April, 1969; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
(d) whelher it is a fact that there was PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING
a backlog upto March, 1967 ; and AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI
B. S. MURTHY): (a) 5214.12 acres of land
(e) if so, the 'persons responsible for was finally acquired for the planned develop-
that and the aelion laken against them 1 ment of Delhi under the Scheme of 'Larp
163 Written Answers JULY 21. 1969 Wrltta A".wers 164

, Scale Acquisition, Development and Disposal Authority) in connection with itTelUlarities


of Land in Delbi' upto March 1967. regarding allotment of plots at J. J. Colony,
Madipur (Delhi) have been filed with the
(b) No, Sir. department concerned;

(c) and (d). Do not arise.


(b) if so, action taken against the
officers involved; and
Permlasion for Changiag PInts in J. J.
Coloay, Madipur, Naagloi and Hustalln
(c) tbe names of the oflicers apinst
Delhi
whom the complaints have been received?
120. SURI LAKHAN lAL KAPOOR:
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOP- PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING
MENT be pleased to state: AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI
B. S. MURTHY) : (a) to (c). No specific
complaint of irregularities regarding allot-
(a) whether it is a fact that change of
ment of plots in J. J. Colony Madipur was
plots has been allowed from one block /place
received. General representations about
to other block/place in J. J.Colony Madipur
deficiencies in J. J. Colonies and about allot-
Nangloi and Hustal;
ments are received from time to time in
respec:t of Madipur J. J. Colony as also for
(b) the names of the allottee and number
other J. J. Colonies which are looked into
of Plot (old and New); aad
on merits and suitable action is taken.
(c) the reasons therefor?
Officers on Depntatlon In J. J. Scheme
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE uader D. D. A.
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING 122. SHRI LAKHAN LAL KAPOOR:
AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
B. S. MURTHY): (a) Certain changes of FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS,
plots from one block to another have been HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT
allowed in Madipur and Hastral. No change be pleased to state :
of block was allowed in NangJoi.
(a) whether Government propose to
(b) A list is laid on the Table of the return the officers on deputation in J. J.
House. [Placed /" Library. See No. LT- Scheme under Delhi Development Authority
1272/69]. to their respective States/Departments; and

(c) The changes have been allowed on (b) if not, reasons therefor?
account of mutual change or for other impe-
rative reasons. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
Irregularities in Allotment or Plots ia PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING
J. J. Colony Madipnr (DeIhl) AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI
B. S. MURTHY) : (a) There is no proposal
121. SHRI LAKHAN LAL KAPOOR: in the Delhi Development Authority for a
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND general reversion of officers on deputation in
FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, J. J. R. Scheme.
HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMFNT
be pleased to state: (b) Such a proposal will not be in accor-
dance with the normal pattern in the Delhi
(a) whether it is a fact tbat certain com- Development Authority, under which ofIic:ers
plaints, against the ollicers (working under are taken on deputation from various depart-
J. J. Scheme under Delhi Development ments/States for a specified term.
165 Wrillen Answers ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Written Answers 166

Supply of Power to Delhi from The cost of generation has been provision-

Bhakra ally fixed at 11 paise per unit.

123. SHRI YAJNA DATTA SHARMA: (c) Yes, Sir.


SHRI JAl SINGH:
SHRI SHRI CHAND GOYAL: (d) Yes, Sir.

Will the Minister ofiRRIGATION AND (e) and (C). Any proposal on the curtail-
POWER be pleased to state: ment of power supply from Bhakra Nanpl
Project to Delhi Electric Supply Undertaking
(a) whether it is a fact that power is would depend upon the terms of agree-
being supplied to Delhi from Bhakra Nangal ment for power supply which are under
Project and the power is being supplied to negotiations between the two parties.
Punjab by Delhi Electric Supply Under-
taking;
Medical Assistance for Famine-AlFeeted
(b) if so, the extent of power supplied Areas of Rajasthan
in each case and the rates at which the same
are supplied; 124. SHRI YAJNA DATTA SHARMA:
SHRI D. N. PATODIA:
(c) whether it is also a fact that DESU SHRI JAI SINGH:
is selling power to Uttar Pradesh; SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY:
SHRI HARDAYAL DEVGUN:
(d) whether it has been brought to the
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
notice of Government that Punjab is facing
FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS,
power crisis with the result that development
HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOP-
of industry and agriculture in that State is
MENT be pleased to state:
being hindered;
(a) whether his attention has been drawn
(e) if so, whether Government propose to the reported high rate of death in the
to stop or curtail the supply of power to Famine-stricken areas of Barmer District of
DESU from the Bhakra Nangal Project; Rajasthan;
and
(b) whether the State Government have
(f) if not, the reasons therefor? approached the Central Government for any
type of assistance, especially medical assis-
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE tance or the assistance rendered by the
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND Central Government to the Slate Goven-
POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA- ment; and
SAD): (a) and (b). Bhakra Power system is
supplying power to the extent of 80 MW to (c) how the death rate in the Barmer
the Delhi Electric Supply Undertaking. In district compares with the All India death
view of the acute water conditions in the hydro rate in the country, the extent of S\IC'CCSS
storages of the Bhakra system, Delhi Electric achieved in the eradication of diseases during
Supply Undertaking provided relief to the the last three years and the steps proposed to
Bhakra system by reducing its off·take from be taken for further improvement in the
the agreed quantum of 80 MW. The relief matter 7
was given from 25th December, 1968 till 15th
May, 1969 and the quantum of relief THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
varied from 10 to 40 MW. The average MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
rate of supply from Bhakra system to Delhi PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING
Electric Supply Undertaking is 4.36 paise per AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI
unit. For the relief given by Delhi Electric B. S. MURTHY): (a) Yes.
Supply Undertaking to the Bhakra system
the rate charged is the difference between the (b) Yes. Investiption teams were sent
cost of generation and the power purchased. from Delhi and drugs were supplied.
167 Written Answer. JULY 21, 1969 Wrltlrn AnJWeN 168

(c) The requisite infonnation is being AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI


collected and will be laid on the Table of the B. S. MURTHY): (a) No, Sir.
Sabha when received.
(b) and (c). Do not arise.
Materials Handling Plant al Bailadilla
Iron Ore Project fimft ~ 1IiT ~
128. sit~f~
126. SHRI TRIDIB KUMAR CHAU-
DHUR Y: Will the Minister of PETRO- sit!O 10 ~~
LEUM AND CHEMICALs AND MINES ~sr~~:
AND METALS be pleased to state: sit~~:
Whether Government have been able to
take any final decision about entrusting the sit~fq~:
consultancy and designing of the Materials ",1~,"":
Handling Plant for Bailadilla Iron Deposit
",1~rn
No. 5 to an Indian finn of consultants in
consonnance with the policy announced by "'1~'1lft'm:
Government in regard to achieving self- sitf51'~~:
sufficiency and building indigenous know-how
in regard to engineering consultancy and "'1~~:
designing services ? ~ ifT'fonf:
",1110 ~o~:
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND "'1.,.~.:
CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
(SHRI JAGANATH RAO): The bids received IIlIT m.- 1I';ft' ~ iIOA at\' iI'I'T
for consultancy services are under considera- rnfli;:
tion of the National Mineral Development
Corporation Ltd. ( iF ) 'I1m1' ~ 30 TI'. 1969 Ifi)
~ fimrr 'l(Vl' "11 f.;r«iFT ~ ~
National Memorial for the Late
PresIdent of IndIa iFW ~, 'lJ[VT fli;« sr-m: iFT~. srfuqIt
flI;a;n ~ am: flfia.fT Gl:IR rn ~m
127.SHRI D. N. PATODIA: Will am: ~ fiF{f-flI;{f l);U if f<r.lIT ;;rrlttrr;
the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING
ail<:
AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased
to state: (~) ':31fU~ 'l(Vl' ~ ~ Gl:IR
~~itrit;f<'!ir~mT~ tJ1Ir
(a) whether Government have taken ~ iFf ClITu;prr ~ ?
any steps to build a DBtional memorial for
the first President of India who died in
harness;
mr ~~ q ~19ff ~ (",111 0
';0 nt): (iF) ~!fiT m<O 'I(1IT~:
(b) whether the site for the memorial 0111 ~ it; ~Rr ~ : (1) ~ l);U if
has been finalised; and
~it QlTitr 'l(Vl'mr
(2) ~l it;
(e) the steps proposed to be taken to f.rlmf ire ~m ;;ryitr ~ 'l(Vl' ~
ensure that the President's mosoleum will (3) 'llrci'llJ wff if ~m ;;rritr IfTir
essentially reflect the Indian architecture?
~"t ~ % 'lI['Iff iFf ~ tr.r ClIP::
'I(1IT I
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE ~ ~ ~ I atf1rIfi~ lfir 1pT
ClJTij('
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING if am flI;l!T ;;mIT ~ ~ ~ flJi~ ~
169 Wriltm Answers ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Wrille/l Answers 170

'l(Uif~~~, ~~ 'fi"mT~ ~ ~ ~ 'lit ;;rrm ~ I


Ij;) ;mffilr ~ ~ f.rlIfu mr 'lit ;;noT ~~~f~~~ ~ ar.crmr •
~ I mruf~ ~ ~ 'PT Imfl:~ 'l>T OfTii' <m'TT ~, ~ a:rTIfffi-OlTlf
~ arm ~ ~if'PT ~ if~'IiT;;rrm~1 cmmfll;~~~ ~
~I 3RT~ 'lit ;;,-Tit <m'TT ORTlfflrrt m:<m ~
~-~1t'Al ~ 'lit ~ ~ I
31 ~, 1969 Ij;) ("& errfm, ;;r;r
U. N. AssistaDce for Family Planning
trif;~~~~ ~ ~), ~ Programme
~'IiT'lIi1IT~~~
129. SHRI BIBHlTfI MISHRA: Will
'lit ;;rr;r<m:T ~ tm'I' 'R l:~ 1Jit ~ the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY
if<ftlflft~1 [~~q~fttn~1 PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING
~~ mr
LT-1273/69] AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased
to state:

~ 'lit ~-~, srcirl; ~ (a) whether it is a fact that United


~'lIi1IT~-~~~'PT Nations assistance is given in higher amounts
;;mIT ~, ~ ~ ~ ~ GlIT;;r 'lit 'Urn to India for its Family Planning Programme;

if;f f~ mer q!f, 'lIi1IT 'PT f.f<mfr lflft


and
(b) if so, the amounts given so far;

l:iIilf ain: ~ OfTii' 'IT<'IT ~ ~ (c) the details of expenditure incurred


~ if, 'lIi1IT 'PT GlIT;;r~ ~ amm 'R so far ?
~;;rrm~ I ~~ It ~~ ~
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
fIFr-flFr~T<ft~1 ~~ (1969-70) MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
if~~ 'liTfcr~ 'lIi1ITT~~ PLANNING AND WORKS HOUSING
'l>T 203.06 If.~ ~trit ;it ~ am: GlIT;;r
AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (DR.
S. CHANDRASEKHAR): (8) to (c). No.
'lit 156.58 ~~ ~qlt 'PT <:If.11 'lit ORTlfifT U. N. has, however, continued its assistance
'R<fT ~ I
for Demographic Training and Research
Centre, Bombay by way of foreign experts,
fellowships and equipment. The details of
(liT) 'Il"TT 'lit ~T '!iT qmft~ifT such assistance as received since 1957 are
~ ~ GlIT;;r 'lit ~, ~ 'Il"T given below:

Year EX/HrlS Cost Total in


in US$ US$

1957 13,126 8,909 22,033


1958 15,218 15,218
19S9 11,389 11,389
1960
1961 9,827 9,827
1962 9,554 9,554
1963 18,832 18,832
1964 15,442 386 15,828
1965 20,025 20,025
1966 394 394
1967 22,000 22,000
1968 7,200 7,200

152,302
171 Written AlUwer6 JUL Y 21, 1969 Wri/len Answers 172
During 1969. U. N. also financed the (b) whether it is a fact that out of 13
, yjsit of the Second Evaluation Team on shops which have been kept reserved, 5 are
Family P1anninB 10 India. situated in Mohan Singh Market;

Ibnl Eledrlficatioa during Gandbl (c) whether it is also a fact that the
Centenary Year tenders have been invited for 3 or 4 times
but no body has offered even the economic
130. SHRI RAM CHARAN: rent for these shops because the shops are
SHRI V. NARASIMHA RAO: located at the back of the market, where
SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA: there are no chances of any business f1ouri-
SHRI RAGHUVIR SINGH shinl;
SHASTRI:
(d) whether it is a fact that the dairy
Will the Minister of IRRIGATION owners of I. N. A. Colony offered Rs. 25/-
AND POWER be pleased to state: p. m. as rent for these shops while the rent
shown in the tender list for these shops is
Rs. 180/- p. m.; and
(a) whether it is a fact that Government
have decided to electrify one lac villages <e) if so, the reasons therefor?
durin. the Gandhian Centenary Year (upto
October 2. 1970); THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
(b) if so, total expenditure likely 10 be PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING
incurred by each State thereon; and AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI B.
S. MURTHY): (a) Yes. Some shops in
(c) the State-wise break up of one lac Delhi have been reserved for allotment to
villages to be electrified ? members of Scheduled Castes. (There are no
Scheduled Tribes in Delhi).
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND (b) 8 shops have been kept reserved for
POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD): Scheduled Castes, out of which 5 are situated
(a) Yes, Sir. It is proposed 10 electrify a in the Mohan Singh Market.
total of one lakh villages in the country by
the end of Gandhiji's birth Centenary year (c) Tenders were invited four times and
I. It. 2nd Oclober, 1970 subject to avail- out of the 48 shops in the rear portion of
ability of funds. this market, only 5 shops could be allotted
on tender basis. Other quotations being
below the economic rent, were not considered
(b) and (c). The state-wise likely outlay for allotment. The reasons for poor response
and the targets will be known only after 10 the tenders are not known.
States have assessed their available resources
for the purpose and also determined their (d) Yes.
programme.
(e) The reasons are not known.

Allotment of Shops to Scheduled Castes! Ban on Import of Chemicals


ScbeduIed Tribes in Delhi
132. SHlll RAM CHARAN: Will the
Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMI-
131. SHRI RAM CHARAN: Will the CALS AND MINES AND METALS be
Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY pleased to state:
PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING
AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased (a) whether it is a fact that the import of
10 state: certain chemicals which are used in manufac-
turing drugs is banned;
(a) whether some shops in Delhi have
been kept reserved for allotment to Schedu- (b) if so, the names of the chemicals;
led Caste!Scheduled Tribe persons; and
1-73 Written Aruwer3 ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Written Aruwera 174

(c) the names of other chemicals which Enforcement Directorate have . reported that •
are not banned and are used in manufactur- tbere is no scope Cor Curther enquiries and
iog drugs? the enquiries in the matter have, therefore,
been closed.
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND Power Production ia Northern Region
CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
(SHRI D. R. CHAVAN): (a) Yes. 134. SHRI SHRI CHAND GOYAL:
Will the Minister of IRRIGATION AND
(b) and (c). Usts of Chemicals which are POWER be pleased to state:
required by tbe Drugs and Pbarmaceutical
industry and which are allowed to be impor- (al the total requirement oC electric
ted freely or on restricted basis or are power of the States of the northern region;
banned, are given in Appendices 19 &: 28 of
the Import Trade Control Policy Book. (b) the total firm production of the States
of northern region;
MIs. Amin Chand Payarelal
(c) whether it is a fact that the demand
133. SHRI JAI SINGH: is increasing day by day due to rapid expan-
SHRI HARDAYAL DEVGUN: sion of industrial project and tube wells and
if so, the steps taken by Government to meet
Will tbe Minister of FINANCE be the growing need; and
pleased to refer to tbe reply given to
Unstarred Question No. 1334 on the 29th (d) what assistance is Government ren-
July, 1968 and state; dering to the Government of Punjab and
other States for increasing power produc-
(a) whether the enquiry being conducted tion?
by the Enforcement Directorate into the
transactions made by Sbri Suresh Kumar of THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MIs. Amin Chand Pyarelal has since been MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
completed; POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA-
SAD): (a) and (b). In the Northern Region, a
(b) if so, with wbat results gtvIDg tbe total demand of about 2750 MW is antici-
details of the parties concerning this matter; pated by 1969-70 when the availability of the
and total firm power would be about 2075 MW.

(c) if not, the r.uons tberefor ? (c) and (d). While the demand will be
progressively increasing in the Northern
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Region, deficits in the supply of power are
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C. anticipated during tbe Fourth Plan derind.
SETHI): (a) to (e). As was stated in reply However, in view oC tbe stringent financial
to Lok Sabha Unstarred Question No. 1334, resources, measures bave been taken to
answerccl on the 29th July, 1968, a photostat ensure maximum utilisation of the available
copy of a letter Crom tbe National and generating capacity by integrated operatinn
Grindlays Bank, New Delhi addressed to Shri oC tbe power systems in the various States
Suraj Paul oC MIs. Amin Cband Pyarelal, in the Region. For this purpose, earmarked
Calcutta, regarding T. T. Receipt dated Central Assistance is being given towards the
the 23rd October, 1959 Cor £461-12-7 favour- construction of in~-State transmission links.
ing Mr. Suresh Kumar' was received in the In addition, new power generation schemes
Enforcement Directorate. It is apparent for implementation in this region during the
that the foreign exchange bas been received Fourth Plan are under consideration.
through banking channels. The transaction
pertains to the year 1959 and the Bank's Claim of Ownership of Bbakra Project
records, wbich would have thrown any Iigbt
as to wbether any contravention oC foreign 135. SHRI SHRI CHAND GOYAL:
excbaogc regulations is involved in the Will the Minister of IRRIGATION AND
tranaac:tion, are on longer in existence. The POWER be pleased to state;
175 Wrln... Answers JULY 21. 1969 Writtell Answers 176

(a) wbetber the Punjab and Haryana (b) tbe estimated expenditure of the
Governments are making claims for their project and the area to be irrigated?
exclusive ownership and control over the
Bhakra Project; THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
(b) what are their claims and counter POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA-
claims; SAD): (a) The State Government has pro-
posed the loelusion of Upper Indra.ati Pro-
(c) the steps taken by Government to ject Stage I, in the Fourth Plan. The list of
resolve the controversy; and new schemes to be included in the Fourth
Plan of Orissa is )U to be finalised.
(d) whether the State Governments of
Rajasthan and Himachal Pradesh have also (b) The scheme, as submitted by the
put forward their claims over Bhakra Pro- State Government is estimated to cost Rs.
ject ? 24.20 crores and envisages annual irrigation
of 3.13,600 acres.
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND Asian Development Bank
POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRA-
SAD): (a) and (b). The administration, 137. SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY:
maintenance and operation of the Bhakra Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased
Project is at present entrusted to the Bhakra to state:
Management Board, which has been consti-
tuted under the Punjab Reotpnisation Act, (a) whether India has proposed at the
1966. The Governments of Punjab. Haryana, recent ECAFE meeting in Singapore that
Rajasthan and Himachal Pradesh are repre- the Asian Development Bank should consider
sented on the Board. Both the Govern- r.financin g export credit offered by develop-
ments of Punjab and Haryana have been ,ing countries to improve their competitive-
claiming exclusive control over the Project. ness in the sale of manufactured products;
and
(c) The matter is under consideration.
(b) if so, the decision taken in this
(d) The H"unac:bal Pradesh Government regard?
have also expressed the feeling that owner-
ship, control and management of tbe Project THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
should be handed over to that Government. MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C.
The Bhakra Project was constructed jointly SETHI): (a) and (b). At the 25th Annual
by the Covernment of Rajasthan and the Session of ECAFE held during April 1969 in
Government of the composite State of punjab Singapore the Indian delegation, while speak-
and Rajasthan's share in the Project has on the review of the activities of the Asian
already been determined. The Rajasthan Development Bank. drew attention to the
Government ha.e, however, nnt put forward proposal that had been made earlier at
any claim for exclusive control over the Pr0- the Second Annual Meeting of the
ject. On the other hand, they are opposed Bank that the Bank should consider the set-
to exclusive control being given to anyone ting up of suitable export credit refinancing
State. facilities to promote the export of capital
goods from developing countries.
Indravati Project
The matter is under consideration of the
136. SHRI SRADHAKAR SUPAKAR:
Will the Minister of IRRIGATION AND Bank.
POWER be pleased to state:
Formation "NatiODaI Forum" by a Prol_
(a) wbether the Indravati Irrigation Pro- of All India ll18titate of Medical Sci_au
ject in the District of Kalabandi in Orissa is
likely to be included in the Fourth Five Year 138. SHRI A. DIPA : Will the Minister
Plan; and of HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING
177 "',Inen A_r8 ASADHA 30, 1891 <SAKA) 1711'

AND WORKS. HOUSING AND URBAN bungled the issue of exporting nf iron ort'.
DEVELOPMENT be pleased to state: from Daitari mines through Paradeep port in
Orissa to Japan;
<a) whether it has come to the notice
of GO\'erIIment that a senior Professor and (b) if so. the details thereof ; and
Head of the Department in the All India
Institute of Medical Sciences. New Delhi has (c) tbe steps taken by Government to
started a political forum known as· National restore the export of iron ore from Daitari
Forum; mines to Japan ?

(b) if so. whether Government have THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE


made any investigation into the resources of MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND
this Forum and whether there is any subs- CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
tance in the news that this Forum is receiv- (SHR] JAGANATH RAO): (a) and (b). A
ing foreign capital ; copy of letter dated 16tb May, 1969 received
from Shri Rabi Ray, Member of Parliament
(c) whether the setting up of such a on the subject is laid on tbe table of the
Forum is permissible in a Medlc:aI Institute House. [Placed in Library. S.e No. LT-
and Hospital ; and 1274169]
(d) if not, the action Government pr0-
(c) Efforts continue to be made to sell
pose to take in the matter ?
Daitari ore to Japan and elsewhere.
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY Taking o"er of Birla House, New Delhi
PLANNING. AND WORKS, HOUSING
AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT <SHRI B. S. 140. SHRI RABI RAY:
MURTHY) : <a) The Indian National Forum SHRI CHINTAMANI PANI-
is a Society registered under the Societies GRAHl:
Registration Act. 1860 and has no connection
with tbe All India Institute of Medical Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
Sciences. The Professor of Ophthalmology at FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS,
the Institute is Secretary General of the HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT
Society in his individual capacity. be pleased to state :
(b) According to tbe Rules and Regula- (a) whetber it is a fact that he met
tions of tbe Society, its resources consist of Shri G. D. Birla about taking over the Birla
subscriptions from members and donations House. New Delbi, where Gandhiji breatbed
from institutions and individuals. Govern- his last;
ment bave no information regarding the
receipt of any foreign capital by the Society. (b) ,if so, tbe result of the talks;
and
(c) and (d). The Indian National Forum
has not been established at tbe All India
(c) the steps Government have taken
Institute of Medical Sciences.
to take over the Birla House in view of the
public opinion in the country ?
Export of Iroa Ore from Daitari
Minella Orina
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
139. SHRI RABI RAY: Will the Minis- MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
ter of PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS PLANNING, AND WORKS. HOUSING
AND MINES AND METALS be pleased AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT <SHRJ
to state : B. S. MURTHY) : <a) No. Sir.

<a) whether he bas received a letter (b) Does not arise.


from a Member of Parliament as to bow tbe
Mitallia IIIHI Metals TradiDl Corpcntion (c) Tbe matter i, under consideration.
179 Writte" AIlS""''' JULY 21.1969 Wrlll"" AlUwers 180

Freigbt for Import af Petroleum Products

142. SHRI ABDUL GHANI DAR:


141. 'IT '10 "'0 ~: 'flfT
Will the Minister of PETROLBUM AND
~ ft'fT qft-m: ~ am ~, CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
amlW ft'fT ~ fill.,. ~~T ~ ~ be pleased to state :
~T Jj'lT ifii:~ f.!; : (a) how.,much amount Government paid
as freight to shipping companies for import
(~) 'flfT ~ ~ ~ f~ ll"1f'T ;;it iii of different petroleum products per ton
during the last three years;
~ ~ ~ <fr.r iii ;;r.:r ~ 'I'm <'I1l'R iii
f.rl:t ~ it ~ ~ 'IiT1f ~ f.I;!:rr ~; (b) whether these imports were purchased
and lifted after calling tenders; and
('if) ll"f~~, CIT 1l1;;r;n ;tT ~q'(m
(c) if not, the reasons therefor?
iflIT ~ ;
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
( lJ') m.rr;tT;;r;my iii f~ f~<AT MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND
arfof~;;r.:r ~ <roil' ~;tT ~ CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
~ am lR CflIi ; am (SHRI D. R. CHAVAN): Ca) The import nf
Petroleum products is not handled directly
by the Government themselves and as such
(tf) ~ 'I'<: ~ f'li"CA'r o!('lf ~)l1'r ? the question of payment of freight by
Government to Shipping Companies does not
arise.
~ ft'fT ~ f.\1mr;r, atR:
~, 3fRnT ft'fT ~ fit.-m ~ (b) and (c) Among Petroleum products.
at present. only certain grades of Aviation
if ~ 10ft ('IT.o ,o~) : (~) Gasoline, Kerosene and Lubricants ale being
~~I imported, through Oil Companies. Aviation
Gasoline is imported in small quantities, as
('if) W 1Il;;r;n if ll"~ ;;it.iIi ~ and when needed. after obtaining quotations
~ ;m: ~Ti!:<: ;tT ~ 'I'<: l!;~ am:o mo- from the Oil Companies. Kerosene import

,m
is made by 10C from USSR, at prices
mo iI!~ lIlT ~m ~ 0!ffi'lT ~ I previously contracted, and approved by thc
Government. Lubricants are imported
~ ~ ~ if ~T~ f.rnm lJ'll"f ~ I 3GO
No ~o mmr cmr m'Tm
;r<'IT 'liT 8 ~
mainly against US (AID) funds. procedures
regarding which requirc the goods to be
10 artl<r fl::maff if 550 ~Te<: ~ ¥I" procured after due competitive bidciing in
U.S.A. However. under a waiver to this
"'""~ if ~ ~ fif~r lJ'll"f ~ I~­ condition, applicable to Sole Agency. the
lJ'<f~qr.ftmmifl'~ ;r<'ITif~g;f various Oil Companies have been importing
~~ if amrr ~ am: ~;;r.:r ilr(RVf cmr lubricants through their respective principals/
affiliates in USA at concessional prices•
.mt if ~ ;;mrr ~ I The imports of lubricants from Rupee sources
are chanoelised through IOC at prices
( lJ') SI'fum" 25 '1m m aITmlffi' previously contracted, and approved by the
qr;ft ~ &Frr am: ~: ~ qr;ft
Government.

1970 iii Iflff iii ~ ~ ~ ;;r;my ~ Fertlllzen and CII_icals Travucore Ltd.
f~ 'litm I
143. SHRI P. GOPALAN:
SHRI VISWANATHA MENON:
(tf) II!,ti ~ UHffnRr f~ a'lT SHRI K. ANIRUDHAN;
~ ir.i'f SfiI>l~ iii 'IiT1if 'I'<: "f~. SHRI A. K. GOPALAN:
15 '1m lio ~ ~ &Frr I Will the Minister of PETROLEUM
181 Written Answer. ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Writ/en Ansll'err 182

AND CHEMICALS AND MINES AND of forcian exchange amounting to Rs .•


METALS be pleased 10 Slale : 1,13,486/- for import of Cast Steel pump
castings and the impellers for the Sand
Ca) wbetber it is a fact Ibal Ihe Board Dredger and another application for release
of Directors of Fertilizers and Chemicals of foreian exchanae amounting to Rs.
Travaocore Ltd. (Kerala) aUlhorised Ihe 29,150/- for import of Cutter Complete for
M8D8sfug Director 10 lake appropriale Beaver King Sand Dredaer for the Ubi
measures to obtain Ibe necessary security Project.
from MallJllllll Supc Mills Co-operative
Society wbich amounted 10 Rs. 6,13,512 as (b> Foreign exchange worth Rs,
on the 31st Deoember, 1968; 1,03,168/- against tbe first application and
Rs. 29,150/- against tbe second application
(b) if so, the details of measures taken was released.
by the ManaaiQg Director; and
Investment in Indian Oil Corporation
(e) if not, the reasons therefor?
145. SHRI ABDUL GHANI DAR:
Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND
be pleased to state:
CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
(SHRI D.R. CHAVAN> : (a> Yes.
(a> the total amount Government bave
invested in the Indian Oil Corporation tiD
(b) The Company bas stopped supplies
the 30th June, 1969;
of fertilizers to the Cooperative Society
pendina payment by the latter of the oul-
(b) tbe amount made available for its
standinss or alternatively the receipt of a
Refineries and Cbemical Druss projects till
guarantee from tbe State Government for the June, 1969;
outstandinss as well as for the amount which
0

will accrue on account of future supplies,


Cc> how much amount was spent for
when resumed. The Government of Kerala
search of oil and each of the products for
have substantial interest in the Mannam
the last three years, year·wise;
Supr Mills Cooperative Society.
(d> the total shortaae in its products at
(c> Does not uise.
all levels beaiooing from the projects to
di1ferent installations and reasons for that
shortaae and whether any officers was puni-
Foreign ExclJaae to Gujarat Go'enunent for shed for this short...;
Importing Dredger Components
<e> the profits made till the 31st March,
144. SHRI R.K. AMIN : Will Ihe 1969; and
Minister of IRRIGATION AND POWER
be pleased to state : (f) the rates of Indian Oil Corporation,
ESSO and Burmah Oil Company for each
(a) whether it is a fact that the products in this period and rales for
GoverJllDellt of Gujarat bas approached the purchase of imports from abroad and if
Central Government for tbe release of there is any difference, the reasons for the
foreian exc:banae amoUDtina to °Rs. 1.25 same?
lakbs for impnrtina components of Govern-
ment dredger; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND
(b) if so !be action taken tberefor? CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
(SHRI D. R. CHAVAN> : (a> Rs. 13,359.08
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE lakhs.
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SURI SIDDHESHWAR (b) The I.O.C. has invested Rs. 79.77
PRASAD): (a> Yes. The Government of Guja- crores In its refineries. It has not invested
rat bad submitted one application for release in chemicals and drug projects,
183 Wrillell Answers JULY 21, 1969 Writ/ell A_.· 1st

(c) I.O.C. does not searcb fur oil and and Burmab Oil Company in 1'HO, 1965·
fu.s, therefore, spent no money thereon. and on June, 30th, 1969;
(c) whether there is any differeoce and
(d) The value of product loss during
if so, the reasons therefor; and
1967-68 was of the order of Rs. 28.66 lali:hs.
This stock loss arise during handling and (d) whether the Indian Oil Corporation
evaporations and is well within the normal is selling its products to any foreilnaJIII.
limits of permissible losses in the oil panics and tile rates of -=II said product
industry. during the lut three years, year-wile'·

(e) The profits made by Indian Oil THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
Corporation from 1964-65 to 1967-68 are as MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND
under :- CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
------_._- - - _.._-- - ---.- (SHRI D. R. CHAVAN): (a) to (c). The
(Rs. in erorss) amount spent for the import of Petroleum
1964-65 0.76 Products during the last three years is as
1965-66 1.01 under :-
1966-67 6.26
1967-68 10.83 (Bs. era,..)
1966 51.31
(f) The ceiling prices of bulk refined 1967 39.67
petroleum products and bitumen are deter- 1968 40.73
mined by the Central Government and apply 1969 (Jan-April) 9.14
to all tbe oil Companies uniformally. The
oil companies are, however, free to sell tbeir Information in respect of the import of
products at lower prices by giving discounts oil machinery is being collected and will be
to consumers. These discounts are deemed laid on the Table of the Sabba.
to be business secrets. No ceiling selling Tbe Central Government determines the
prices for lubricants, grease. and specialities Basic Ceiling Selling Prices of Bulk Refined
are fixed by Government. In respect of Petroleum Products and Bitumen ex oil
some branded products and specialities companies installations at main ports.
manufactured and blended by each company, These apply to all the Oil Companies. The
there may be differences in the selling prices Companies are, however, free to sell tbeir
of the companie.. Tbe selling prices for products at prices lower than the ceiling to
sucb products are determined on the basis consumers. The differences between tbe
of tbe cost of imported base stock, additive., various ceiling prices IIxed by Government
blending and packing charge., profits and for each petroleum product and those actually
other competitive condition.. It is not in charged by each oil company product-wise
the commercial interest. of I.O.C. to from each consumer, dealer or agent are
disclose the prices paid by them for imported business secrets.
products.
(d) Yes. Indian Oil Corporation bas
IIIIport of Oil Maebiaery aod oil products entered into product exchange arrangement
witb foreign oil companies operating in
146. SHRI ABDUL GHANI DAR: India. Corporation also sells to them
Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND surplus products like Motor Spirit aad the
CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS prices are recovered on the'basis. of Govem-
be pleased to state : ment pricins formula from time·to time.

(a) tbe amount speut during tbe last Oil Drilling at Bodn In West Bengal
three years, year-wise for imports of oil
machinery and different oil products till tbe 147. SHRI SAMAR GUHA:
30th June, 1969; DR. RANEN SEN:
SHRI DEVEN SEN:
(b) the sale price of different products SHRI JYOllRMOY BASU:
whol_le and retail sale, also of imported
goods of the ludian Oil Corporatinn, ESSO Will the Miniater of PBTllOLBUM .AND'
185 ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Written Answer. 186

CHEMICALS AND MINES AND MATALS (e) The decision not to drill Bodra 3 was
beplaued to ltate : taken in view of the results of drillinl BodI'II
I. Being structurally lower than Bodra well
(a)'whether it Is a fact that after drilling a No. I, Bodra Well No.3 is not expected to
well at BocIra, near Canning in West Bengal find hydrocarbons in view of the unfavourable
at· a depth of aerly 400 metres it was suddenly results in Bodra Well No. 1.
stopped;
(f) Seismic surveys are being continued
(b) whether gass with higbest pressure in the region. If the surveys lead to tbe
(30lI0 atmosphere) hu been found in this discovery of a favourable structure, under-
'well and crude oil was also extracted; taking drilling to test the structu'e will be
considered .
(c) if so, the reasons for suspension of
rurther drilling; Western Kosi Canal Project

(d) whether in tbe same area another site 148. SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA :
Bodra-3 was selected for drilling and nearly SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI:
Its. 10 Iakbs have been spent for preliminary SHRI BABURAO PATEL:
work but it was stopped and the equipments SHRI YAMUNA PRASAD
for the well drilling were sent to Jammu and MANDAL:
Kashmir State;
Will the Minister of IRRIGATION AND
POWER be pleased to state:
(c) if so, the reasons therefor; and
(a) wbether approval of the Government
(f) the steps taken by Government for of Nepal for the execution of the Western
fuJI scale and early exploration of oil resou- Kosi Canal Project has been received;
rces in the Canuiug and other areas of South
BenpJ and the Coastal region of the Stale? (b) if so. the details thereof and tbe
steps to be taken thereafter;
THB MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (c) if not, the reasons for the delay;
MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM.AND CHE-
MICALS AND MINES AND METALS
(d) whether it is a fact that the Govern-
(SHRI D. R. CHAVAN): (a) and (b). The
ment of Nepal wants shifting the proposed
drillinl was stopped at tbe depth of 4197.5
alignment of the Western Kosi Canal further
metres on account of a stuck up of the drill
North-wards and simultaneous construction
strins. which could not be released inspite of
of the embankments of river Kamala extending
all efforts.
Northwards from Jainagar; and

(cl No. (e) if so, Government reaction thereto?

(d) A location for drilling another well THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THB
(Bodra-3) hu been released and an expenditure MINISTRY Of IRRIGATION AND
of RI. 40.36 Iakbs (exclusift of the compen.' POWER (SHRI SIDDHESWAR PRASAD):
sation for use of land) had been incurred on (a) to (c). The approval of His Majesty's
that location, Subsequently it was decided Government of Nepal is still awaited.
not to drill at that location.
(d) No, Sir.
The drillinl ria bu not been sent to
Jammu.and Kasbmir State. It remains in (el Does not arise.
West Benp\. Some of the ancillary items
of drillinll equipment and materials are how- 011 E"ploration in Jalsehner (Rajasthan)
ever, bciDJ sent to tbe other projects of the
Oil and Natural Gas Commission, where such 149. SHRI R. K. BIRLA : Will the
items are in short supply, Minister of PBTROLEUM AND CHBMI-
187 Wrilte1l AIIsw"rs lUL Y 21, 1969 188

CALS AND MINES AND METALS be have been fixed by notifications issued by
'pleased to state : the Central Government in exercise of powers
conferred by the Indian Tariff Act or the
(a) whether it is a fact that BOme French Customs Act, 1962. Collectors of Customs
Company through the Government of France are not empowered and have no discretion
has giveo a loan of Rs. 10 crores to the to charge rates of duty different from those
Government of India and asked her to give so fixed.
the contract to the French Company for ex-
ploring and experimenting digging of oil wells 2. However, the Collectors decide under
in laiselmer in Rajasthan; which item of the tariff any particular impor-
ted goods are classifiable for assessment
(b) "hether it is also fact that the said purposes. Sometimes difference in tbe
company failed to undertake the project of practice of classification lead to duty being
digging and bungled away with the money; charged at diffemt rates. Wbenever such
difference comes to light or when a Collector
(c) if so, the name ofthe Company; has a doubt in the matter of classification,
the correct classification is decided by the
(d) the details of the case; and Collectors of Customs in consultation among
themselves. If there is difference amongst
Ie) the steps taken or proposed to be the Collectors or if a change from an earlier
taken by the Government of India in this established practice is necessary, the c1assifica;
matter ? tion is decided by the Central Board of
EAeise and Customs.
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM
CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
AND ~ CI'n f~ • f~ ehr
(SHRI D. R. CHAVAN): (a) and (b). No.
lSI; .n~~ ~~ : !flIT
(c) to (e). Do not arise. ~ CI'n ~ ~ ~ ~R If» !i'IT

Dilf,...ent Customs Rates Charged by


iR"'1t fit; :
Collectors ( If> ) f1:rm;T iiflf crtt it ~;r.r
I SO. SHRI R. K. BIRLA: Will the ~ ~ 1:Jl~ <T'IT Nvs f.;r<;ff it
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: ffl;r) I!;~ Wir lift ffll'~ m If>r ~
<a) whether it is a fact that customs
mffur f.!;l:rr ~ 'IT oW <fImer it f.Rr.t
rates on the imported goods and machinery ~it f~;f.t~;
are charged differently by different Collectors
on duty; (~) ~~;pft if; 'I'IIT ;m:vr it; oW
(b) whether it is also a fact that these (If) ~m~~IIiT g~
Collectors exercise their discretion in charging ~ if; f~ m.-.;'\;r ~ llld"'I<T ~

"'" _.8
the rates;
P
(c) if so, the reasons therefor; and
~ ~ if ~ '""" :
(d) the steps being taken by Government (Ill) {q'ro: snm): (If» ~ ~~ it
to have uniform policy in this respect ? ~ firMJf<'lfliRl" t :-
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE f.r"IT
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C.
SETHI) : (a) to (d). The rates of duty
leviable on imported goods covered by
various items in the First Schedule to the 145000 90200
Indian Tariff Act, 1934 are prescribed in that
Schedule Itaclf. In some cases different rates 96000 30000
189 Written Answers ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Written Answer. 190

(!if) ~iflli~~ ifffi~ ~ Moti Bagh (Nanakpur) New Delbi, which


it; ;muTgt t I
was in ellistence for tbe last 11 years, bas"
been closed and a portion of it has been

('I') 1fS!f m ~ it ~ ;;rj';;f


sold out to the Shanti Niketan Colony;

~~t~~~if (b) if so, the reasons therefor and the


OfIicers who are responsible for selling it ;
iIPlf iffiI'f ~ ~ ~ ~, flA'/vr
am: ifiTlif II\'t ~ ~ ~ ~ (c) the action taken by Government
~ if ~wfi«<f lIiT arrciz;r ~ againlt the Officers responsible for this
~f~ t : ~ II\'t R'llt "U'i'If ~ deal;

rnr~tl (d) whether the only other approach


road to Moti Bagh South is over-crowded on
Handing over of Nangal Harike and Ferozepur account of a market and Milk Dairies and is
Dams to Bhakra Control Board at the other end ; and
152. SHRI RAM KISHAN GUPTA:
(e) the steps taken or proposed to be
Will the Minisler of IRRIGATION AND
taken by Government to restore the said
POWER be pleased 10 stale :
road for the convenience of tbe· residents of
(a) whether it is a fact tbe punjab South Moti Bagh (Nanakpur) who have
Govennnent have now handed over the cont- been put to incoDvenience as a result of clo-
rol of Nan..l: Harike and Ferozpur Dams sure of the said approach road?
to Bbakra Control Board ; and
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
(b) if not, the steps taken or proposed MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
to be taken for handing over t he above dams PLANNING, AND WORKS HOUSING
to Bhakra control Board ? AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT
(SHRT B. S. MURTHY): (a) to (e).
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE The approach road has been closed by
MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND the Delhi Municipal Corporation wbile
POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR approving the lay-out plan of Shanti Niketan
PRASAD) : (a) The Nangal Dam colony, and has been replaced by another
has been wilh the Bhaba Management road very near to it to ensure better traffic
Board ever since 1-11-1966 when the Punjab Circulation. This is in addition to tbe other
was re-orpnised. However, the control approach road to Moti Bagh South.
of tbe headworks at Harike and Ferozepur
has DOt yet been banded over to the Bhakra
Management Board by tbe Punjab Govern- ~ if ~-~ an~ ~.m
ment.
fImi\ """ lIiT ~ 'Iron
(b) The matter is under considerati0'l.
154. ~ f'i" ~ 1IiU'I11I: ;m tim
Closnre of Approach RCllld to South ~ ~iI"aR'IiT'PIT~~A;:
Motl Bagb Colony, New Delhi

lS3. SHRI A. DIPA : ('fi) '-flIT ~ "~ f'fi uilIT~


SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK : arN'fiTfu:ff it ~ if ~ . , 1969 if
~;ncr~~~ <'m!f m t
Will tbe Minister of HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, ~ lIiT lire q-~ 'IT; am:
HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOp·
MENT be pleased to state: (!if) ~ ~, ffi"~~iffm
(a) whetber it is a fact that an approa-
0Il'l' f~ fiI;it !]"it <PIT~;rt f;mr
ch road from Rao Tula Ram Mara to South ;m~II\'t~?
191 Wr;ttf!n A".mr. JULY 21, 1969 . Wrltt"" An_r. 192

. ~ ~ if m'f 1i'lit (~T 1(0 . 0 ~~6299 ~~{ it; ~ if ~


~): ('I1)~ftvrn~'f;~Fm mifi'T~~f'l1:
m
it 1969 if ~ 'fIif ij' 2.14..-m (;P) IflIT ~, ~ <Pn ~'h::
m ~ 'liT fimft lfI... ~ I "" f.A q;ll'f lit <IIR iIf1lTlIi'{ lit urw
ifIIiTlfT vft' ~ om: if ~ ~ ~
(~) ~ m it qtq iIf~
fiR~ ~ f.fi\' qit it, ~ ~ it <'it~~i
~ tR: ~ ~ '11fT I ~ lit arr1T ('I) ~~, <'IT ~ ilfm;p:rr
iItlf-~ lit;;n 'W ~ I ti am:
(IT) ~ ~, <'IT ~~I!ilf
~.it;~if~~~T ;:rifi ~ 1!i{ m
;;rri\'ift 51fT ~-'mI' on:
155. ~T ~ ~ ~: IflIT ~~cU~?
~ <Pn qfum: f~ iIf'h:: f~, tim ~WQ' ii ~~ ~ (~1(0.0
iItNRf <Pn ~ ftr1IiRI' Ifillfi 14 onr ....
1969 il; ~ 1m' ~ 6287 ~ ~ ~): ('11) am: (lif).~, ~
~~ it ~ ~it ifi'T ~T ~It f'l1: ~mit;~, ~,~51fT
~it;~iflffiftlff ~~
( '11 ) IflIT ~ 5IT<t' ~ 'l111T ( ifi ) ~ ;iT ;;r[ ~'T ~ 51fT ~~ ~ ~ fif;R1Ir
(IT) if ~ m if ~ iIfl'IaT<'If if me~f ijf~qit~1
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;ft;r 11;,", ~ <'it Iff ~i 5f~ ~

('I) ~~, <'IT ~~ ~ro IflIT ('11) ~m~l;:i:~

~i am: ~, ~ 51fT 1588


-.mrrr: 'lif fl;rif
(IT) lf~ ;Y~, ;:It 11;ifif'lRT ;;n~ 'filff ifi'T (f{'!i ilfTlf-
...=t ~-<m'T tR: I!ilf ;:I'I1 ~ fem ;;rrlrtrr ? ~ '!fr ~ ifIIiTlfT

~ <Pn qfum: ~ am: f~,


~,~~~
(!if) ~ f.r.ti it 1fTII'-
~ <Pn 'I1TlTlf t1m~ ~ if ~'" ifi~ '!it ~ ~lfT
~T (~T.o,o~): ('11) ;;r'T ~ I ~ 1.09 ~
(IT) ~ 5fl!iT{ ifi'T ~ Sf(i\'ifi ~
('I) am: (IT) ~ ~ arer~mr lit ~ it; f\'!1!; it; ;:ruff 51fT
5IT<t' mr 6287 it; 'l111T (ifi) am: ('I) ~
ifi'T ;;rr ~'T 'liT1l- qf...ff'lfd41
~ ~<ti ~ (fvn- ~ 'l111T (IT) lfm ~'T it; flIT'fI'( on:
1m'~~1 ~'l>'tGlf­
~Tit; iIfi-
~smrlli\' Ipjf""am:~
1Ii\'~'PI' um m'(iIi1~'T
1iIT;;r['W
156. "1T f'I" ~ ~: IflIT ~ ~ I
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1969 ~ ~f.f;o' (IT) ~w.r~ ~ I
193 Written Answers ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Writtell An.wers 1114

Central Assistance for Provision or <al the nationality-wise number of foreigno


Drinking Water in Gujarat Villages advisers in each Ministry Department of the
Government of India during the last three
157. SHR! R. K. AMIN: Will the years, separately; and
Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING (bi the total amount of expenditure
AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased incurred on this account during the above
to State: period?

(a) whether it is a fact that the Govern- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
ment otGujarai have requested for financial MINISTRY OF FINANCE <SHRI P. C.
aid in carrying out the work of. sUPl?lyiog SETHI: <al and (bl. The information is being
waler to 1043 villages where provision of. collected and will be laiet on the Table of
drinking water is not at all available; and the House as early as possible..

(bl if so, the reaction ot the Central


Developmeo t of Fertilizer Industry
Government thereto?

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE 161.. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU: Will


MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY the Minister of PETROLEUM AND
PLANNING; AND WORKS, HOUSING CHEMICALS AND MINES AND
AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI METALS be pleased to state:
B. S. MURTHY): (al No, Sir.
(a) the programme of development of
(bl Does not arise. fertilizer industry in the public and private
seCtors separately during tbe Fourth Plan
period;
Ifit-Sf1IIT<'rI !fiT ~ ~ ~ m~fcI (b) whether Tala Fertilizer Project is
IS8. 'll ~u. cnm.: am Nfl ;f"fT still under consideration of Government;
an.d
~ iIiffi '!iT ~ rn flfi:
(c) the terms of reference of the.l?ro-
(Ifi) am <nhrr;:r lfi':-lI'IlT"IT 'liT ~ posed Fertilizer Promotion Board?
m it; fuit iJlqT ~"w.r ~ am: orfl:.A; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
Ifi~-~ ~~ '!iT WIIllRT 'IiT'ffiT ~ it; MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND
fuif f~m ~i'{-~or '1'1 f'rl!ffir '!iT l'ftfl CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
~; am: (SHRI'D. R. CHAVAN): (a) Construction
of new fertilizer' projects is in progress at
Durgapur, Cochin, Madras, Barauni in the
(V) lff~~, cii ~ am f~w I?ublic sector and Kanpur in the I?rivate
~! Sector. Construction work on tbe expansion

mr q1l1\'Pl' if
(1fi);;IT, ~I
mil'"" ('l1 Slo'llio ml):
schemes has been undertaken in the factories
at Namrup and Udyogamandal in the public
sector. In addition, construction work on
fertilizer projects is expected to commence
shortly at Trombay (ExJ?8Dsion) in the I?ublic
(~) ~ ~r.r ~r {!1 ~ ~r I sector and at Kandla, Goa and Mangalore in
the private sector. Further, al?proval has
Foreign Advisers in Ministries and been given in principle for location of
. Departments . fertilizer I?rojects at Mirzapur, Vishakapat-
nam, Sheva-Nhova and Kaml?tee in Maha-
160. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU: Will rashtra, a suitable p1l!ce in Punjab (or U.P.)
the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to and expansion of t he fertilizer factory at
state: Vishakapatnam in the private sector.
195 Writtell AIISWI!r. .JULY 21, 1969 Writtell AIIswn. 196

(b) Yes. (b) total floor space and monthly rent in


rupees of each ho_;
(c) The proposal to set up a' Fertilizer
Promotion Organisation and the functions to (c) whether one of the houses belongs to
be entrusted to it, are still under considera- the Birla Brothers; and
tion of the Government.
(d) if so, its total floor space and
Accommodation occupied by Geoiogl<al monthly rent?
Survey of India in Calcutta
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
162. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU: Will MINISTR Y OF PETROLEUM AND
the Minister' of PETROLEUM AND CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
CHEMICALS AND MINES AND ME- (SHRI JAGANNATH RAO): (a) Nine
TALS be pleased to state: buildiogs only.

(a) the number of houses enllaged by the (The total floor space and the monthly
Geological Survey of India in Calcutta for rent paid in respect of each building is
oftice purposes; furnished below:-

SI. No. Name of the building Effective Rent per


floor space month Remarks,
in sits. (Rs.)

2 3 4 5
-.------.- --_. __..-
1. No. 27, J. L. Nehru 53,780 Nil Geological Survey of India
Road, Calcutta. is the statutory occupant
of the buildir>g owned by
the Trustees of the Indian
Museum, Calcutta. No
rent is payable.
2. No. 29, J. L. Nehru 34,300 Nil Government owned.
Road. Calcutta.
3. No. 15A &. B Kyd 6,273 JIIil Government owned.
Street. Calcutta.
4. No. 77B, Park Street 4,100 660/- AIIotted by the Estate
Calcutta. Manager, Calculla from
his general pool of
accommodation and rent
paid by him,
S. No. 5/1, Khagendra 74,712 17,077/- -do-
Chatteljee Road,
Calcutta.
6. No. 38/1, Panditiya .23,000 1,845/- -do-
Road, Calcutta.
7. No.2, Justice 22,881 8,000/- -do-
Chandra Madhab
Road, Calcutta,
B. No.5, Middleton 20,564 4,000/- -do-
Street, Calcutta.
9. Ratnakar Buildiog, Directly hired by the
4, Cbowringbee 95,579 95,579/- Department and rent
Lane, Calcutta-16. paid from the Depart-
mer. t"s fund.
(c) No.
(d) Docs not arise.
197 Written Answers ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Wrillen AlfSwers 198

Incidence of Cholera in India Gaubati Refinery •


163. SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU: 164. SHRI BISWANARAYAN
SHRI RAMAVATAR SHASTRI: SHASTRI:
Will Ihe Minister of HEALTH AND Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND
FAMIL Y PLANNING AND WORKS, CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
HOUSING AND URBAN DEVLOPMENT be pleased to state:
be pleased 10 slale:
(al whether it is a fact that the Gaubati
(a) the number of cholera cases in India
Refinery (Indian Refineries Ltd) has entered
State·wise from 1960-61 to 1968-69, year- into an asreement with a private enterprise,
wise; the Associated Industries Assam (Ltd.) for
receiving supply of liquid Sulpha Diollide;
(b) whether according to the latest
World Health Organisation Survey the
endemic focus of infection has shifted for the (b) if so, the details thereof; and
time being, from West Bengal to Tamil
Nadu from where 'EI Tor infections have (c) whether the Gauhali R~finery has
spread to wide areas in the South-Western been receiving the supply of Sulpha Dioxide
parts; regularly?

(c) if so, the causes thaI have lead to


THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
Ihis new developmenls; and
MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
(d) what prevenlive measures, if any,
(SHRI D. R. Ct{AVA.N): (a) and (b). Yes.
have been taken to fisht this menace ?
The salient features of the Agreement entered
into in December, 1960 are as under:
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY (i) Price: Rs. 660,00 per tonne plus
PLANNING, AND WORKS, HOUSING ellcise duty.
AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT: (SHRI
B. S. MURTHY); (a) The required informa- (ii) Freighl: The railway freight from
lion is given in Ihe statement laid on the Gauthati to Barauni to be borne
Table of the House. [Placed in Library See by Indian Oil Corporation and
No. LT-1275169l that from Barauoi to Gauhti by
MIs. Associated Industries
(b) Government have not yet received (Assam).
the survey report from the W. H. 0.; but
such a statement has been made in one of (iii) Duration of contract: Five years.
their Press releases.
(iv) Cylinders: 30 cylinders to be
Ccl Tamil Nadu has been having endemic imported by Indian Oil Corpora-
focus of Cholera for many years and since tion and. the remaining by. MIs.
1964 this infection has spread from there to Associated Industries (Assam).
South·Western parts of the country. This
has been due to the peculiar behaviour of the (v) CompelfSalion: To be recovered
EI-Tor strain or'the cholera organisam. . on the followins basis:

Cd) Necessary preventive and control (a) price paid by Indian Oil Corpora-
measures against Cholera are taken by the tion F. O. R. Alwaye.
State and Local Health authoriti.. before and
during the cholera season. In order to (br railway freisht ell-Alwaye to
intensify these efforts in endemic areas,.a Gaubati on full cylinders.
Centrally sponsored cholera control scheme
has been included in the Fourth Five Year (c) railway freight ell-Gauhati to
Plan. Alwaye on empty cylinders.
199 Written AlUw,rs JULY 21,1969 Writ/en Answers 200

(d) delayed delivery of the material. (e) The work of providing Booster Pump
ing Station and replacing the existing 2"
(c) No, because the plant ran into pro- dia pipe with 4" dia pipe as a permanent
longed difficulties and it was not possible solution, is being undertaken this )ear at a
for them to make any supplies (except about total cost of Rs. 57,000 and will take 18
4 tonnes received in 1964) so far. months to complete.

Water Supply in new Motl Nagar, Impl~ment8tion of Sehemes Relating to


New Deihl Andbra Pradesh

165. SHRI KAMALANATHAN: 166. SHRI K. SURYANARAYANA:


.SHRI P. C. ADlCHAN: Will the Minister of IRRIGA:rJON AND
POWER be pleased to state:
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS (a) whether it is a fact that after his
HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT recenl visil to the Cyclone affected areas in
be pleased to refer to the repl y given to Andhra Pradesh he has taken up with the
Unstarred Question No. 2610 on the ISth Planning Commission the question of imple-
June, 1967 and state: menting some of the earlier schemes which
have not been carried out so· tar in the said
<a) whether it is a faci that no action in region; and
the matter has been taken by the authorities
concerned so far, and the position in respect (b) if so, Ihe specific suggestion he made
.of the water supply at 1st Floor in' B ' and the reaction of the Planning Commission
Block, New Moti Nagar, New Delhi is the thereon?
same as it was before; ,
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
(b) if so, the reaSODS therefor; MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR
<~ the number of representations receiv-
PRASAD): (a) and (b). After his visit to
ed by Government in this regard from the cyclone affected areas of Andhra Pradesh in
residents of the area and the action taken June 1969, Union Minister. of Irrigation and
thereon; Power had observed that a beginning in the
implementation of Mitra Committee's recom-
(d) the action taken by Government mendalions, which envisaged works to pro·
againsl the officials concerned responsible vide adequate rapid drainage for flood waters,
for this negligence and undue delay; and may be made immediately. These works
are to be financed by. contributions from the
(e) when the long pending water difficulty farmen. Union Minisler of Irrigation and
of Ihe residents of that area will be over ? Power had recommended to the Ministry of
Finance· and Planning Commission that In
view of the calamity, the farmers were not
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
in a posilion to mak~ contributions during
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAM,lLY
the current yea~ and a special loan assistance
PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING
be given to Andhra Pradeslr for starting the
AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI
works, which will be continued by contri-
B. S. MURTHY): (a) and (b). No, Sir.
butions collected from the farmers. The
The posilion of water supply has improved
Deputy Prime Minister agreed for a non·plan
to some edl!lllt by regulating sluice valves
loan of Rs. 3 erores for the. current year
and after inter·connection with the 24" main
only from the provision for assistance to the
along Najafgarh area. It has provided relief
State towards expenditure on natural
to the quarters at the tail end.
calamities.
(c) and (d). Several representations Delegations· Visit Abroad
regarding sbortage of water in this area have
been received and maximum possible relief in 167. SHRI SARJOO PANDEY: Will
water supply is being given by regulating the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
sluice valves. state:
201 Wrillell Answers ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Wrillen Ans.-ers 202

(a) the number of Government sponsored offices of tbe Reserve Bank of India are
delegations which visited foreign Countries located in far off placos in private buildings; •
::iuring the off-session period of Lok Sabha
(May-July, 1969) and the purposes of visits (b) if so, the rent paid per month for
of these delegations; tbese buildings;

(b) the names of countries they visited; (c) whether it is also a fact that land was
and acquired from the Maharashtra Government
and later on surrendered without putting up
Cc) the foreign exchange involved in these buildings; and
visits?
(d) if so, what was the amount spent in
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the deveiopment .of thi. land which was
MINISTR Y OF FINANCE (SHRI P- C. surrendered later on?
SETHI): (a) to (c)_ The information is being
collected and will be laid on the Table of
the House as soon as it is available_ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C.
Oil Found in Pancbgram SETHI): (a) The offices/departments of the
Bank and its associate institutioJlll, which
168_ SHRIMATI JYOTSNA CHANDA:
could not be accomocated in the three build-
ings owned by the Bank, are housed in 13
Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND
leased premises all of which, except one, are .
CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
situated within a distance of about 3 miles
be pleased to state:
from the Bank's main building.
(a) whether it is a fact that a party of
(b) Ren\ paid for the buildings leased
Oil and Natural Gas Commission visited the
by the Bank is about Rs. 2 lakhs per month.
District of Cachar and found oil and gas in
the area of Panchgram;
(c) Yes, Sir. The idea of putting up
the buildings was given up in view of the
(b) if so, whether Government propose
heavy capital expenditure involved_
to begin the preliminary work of (frilling
there; and
(d) Approximately Rs. 22 lakhs_ The
Reserve Bank has agreed not to claim this
Cc) the amount of oil and gas likely to
amount from tbe Government of Maharashtra
be extracted from there?
who have .in turn agreed not to claim the
ground rent payable to them.
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS Employees of A.G.'s OII'lce, Triv8ndrum
(SHRI D_R_ CHAVAN): (a) to (c)_ O_N_G_C_
has carried out shallow drilling operations 170. SHRI VASUDEVAN NAIR: Will
in the vicinity of Badarpur and the party is the Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
now compiling the report on work done_ No state:
drilling for oil !gas has been undertaken so
far: O_N_G_C. propose to enter this area Ca) the number of employees of tbe
and have submitted their proposal recently Accountant General's Office, Trivandrum,
which is being examined in the Ministry. "ho are still under suspension or termina-
tion (as on 1.6.1969) for participation in
Reserve Bank Offices Housed in Private , September 19, 1968 strike; and
Buildings
(b) what was the total number involved
169. SHRI VASUDEVAN NA.IR: Will and how many were taken back?
Ihe Minister of FINANCE be pleased to
state: THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C.
Ca) whether it is a fact that the seventeen SETHI): (a) and (b). 29 employees were sus-
203 Written An.,wers JULY 21, 1969 Written Answers 204

, pended and 27 had their services terminated. against the allottees/sub-Iettees oC Class IV
Out of these, by 1st June, 1969 IS suspended quarters in Sector-II of R.K. Puram, Delhi
employees had been reinstated and 8 em- during the last three years;
ployees whose services had been terminated
were taken back into service, leaving 14 (b) the serial numbers of quarters of the
persons still suspended and 19 persons with residents against whom those complaints were
services jerminated. made during the said period and the names
of the complainants and the nature oC com-
Western Aid plaint in brieC in each case.

171. SHRI BHAGABAN DAS: 'WiII (c) whether the' Directorate oC Estates
the Mb.ister of FINANCE be pleased to before starting inquiries in each case had
state: verified from their records that the names oC
the complainants "-ere genuine and those
(a) whether it is a fact that the Secretary oC the actual allottees;
to the Ministry of Finance told a~ a press
conference on the Sth June, 1969, on his (d) if not, the reasons thereCor; and
return from Paris meeting that "Western Aid
Game is very much an ad hoc game"; (e) the decision taken in case oC each
(b) whether he also said that he did not complaint?
expeet a five-year commitment from the
Western Aid givers; and THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
(c) if so, Government's reaction ther"to?
PLANNING, AND WORKS. HOUSING
AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
B.S. MURTHY): (a), (b) and (el. A state-
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRJ P. C.
ment is laid on the Table oC the House
SETHI) (a) and (b). Speaking to Press
[Placed in library See. No. LT-J276/39).
correspondents, on June 5, 1969, Special
Secretary; Department of Economic Affairs
(c) and (d). Complaints are not necessarily
explained the outonme of the Consortium
to be from the allotlees of Governnlent
Meeting held on 22nd and 23rd May, 1969.
quarters. These can be from those also
He said that commitments for aid are not
who share accommodation with allottees and
generally made for longer terms corres-
even· from non-allottfes. No action on
ponding to our plan periods but on the
anonymous/pseudonymous complaints is
basis of an year to year assessment of such
taken. Even before starting inquiries on the
aid requirements and therefore the Consortium
complaint received, the complainant is, first of
did not express itself on aid availability for
all, called for to explain his case and if the
India's Fourth Five Year Plan.
complaint is proved pseudonymous no action
is taken thereon.
(c) GOYemment have been emphasising
on every possible occasion, the need for longer
term commitment of ,aid in order to ensure
greater continuity in planning for develop- Committee 00 Pmcurements of
ment. Construction Equipment

Complaints Against the Allottees /Sub- 173. SHRI Y.A. PRASAD:


Lettees or Class IV Quarters in SHRI R.R. SINGH DEO:
R.K. Puram, Delbi
Will the Minister of lRRICiATION AND
172. SHRI CHANDRA SHEKHAR POWER be pleased to state:
SINGH: Will the Minister oC HEAlTH
AND FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, (a) whether it is a fact that a speeial
HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT committee has been set up to consider the
be pleased to state: causes of delays in procuring the construction
equipmcnts and ~pares Cor Irrigation and
<a) the total number of complaints lodged Power projects; and
205 Written AlISwers ASADHA 30, 1891 ($AKA) Written Answer. 206

(b) if so, the composition of this of construction equipment ar.d sPllt"e


Committee and its terms of reference? parts in relation to;

THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE a) imported equipment and


MINISIRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD): b) indigenous equipment.
(a). Yes, Sir.
The Committec which was set up on 8th
(b) The composition of the committee July, 1969 is expected to complete its work
and its terms 0 f reference are as follows:- and submit its 'reports to the Governmcnt of
India in thc Ministry of Irrigation and Powcr
within six months.
1. Shri Kamlapati Tripathi
Deputy Chief Minister
of Ullar Pradesb- Chairman. UNICEF Aid To Indian Health &,noiceo

2. Shri S.B. Chavan, Minister 174. SHRI Y.A. PRASAD:


for Irrigation and Power, SHRI R.R. SINGH DEO:
Maharashtra State-- Member.
Will thc Minist-r of HEALTH AND
3. Shri S.S. Bassi, Minister FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS
for Irrigation and Power, HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT
Punjab State-- Member. be pleased to statc:

4. Shri P.C. Sethi, Union (a) whether it is 3 fact that U.N.I.C.E.F.


Minister of State for has contributed S 12 million to India's Health
Finance- Member. Services to be spent during thc next flvc
years;
S. Shri K. V. Raghunath
Reddy, Union Minister (b) if so, in wbat particular areas and
of State for Industrial projects this amount would be utilised; and
Development and Com-
pany Afl"airs- Member. (c) how much portion of tbis amount is
to be spent in Andbra Pradesh and Orissa?
6, Cbaudhary Ram Sewak,
Union Deputy Minister,
Foreign Trade &: Supply- Member. THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
7. Professor Siddheshwar PLANNING; AND WORKS, HOUSING
Prasad, Union Deputy AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI
Minister for Irrigation B.S. MURTHY): (a) and (b). UNICEF
and Power.- Member. is likcly to make available to India
assistance of the order of S 12,069,000
8, Shri M.A. Rahman for the period 1969-74 for the. followin8
Member, Central Water schcmes/projects in thc ficld of medical and
&: Power Commission public health:- .
(Wa~r Wing}- Member-
Secretary. 1. Rural health.
2. Rural water supplies.
3. Tuberculosis. control.
Terms of Refereaee. 4. Smallpox vaccine production.
S. Medical education.
1. to investigate causes of delay in 6. Health transport and equipment
procurement of construction equip- maintenance.
ment and spare parts for Irrillation 7. Leprosy control.
and Power Projects and
2. to suggest steps to be taken to over- (c) Thc UNICEF assistance is allocated
come such delays in tbe procurement scheme/projectwise and not statewise. 1\ is
W7 Wril/en AruM'ers JULY 21, 1969 Wril/en Answers W8

Vo! possible to indicate the quantum to be (b) whether it is proper to give shelfer to
spent in the States of Andhra Pradesh and one Government employee at the cost of
Orissa. another Government employee; and'

Working of Public Sector Projects (c) if so, the reaction of Government


thereto?
175. SHRI N.·K, SOMANI: Will the
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: THE ~INISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C.
(a) whether it is a fact that the Bureau SETHI): (a) Only 12 of the present occupants
of Public Enterprises is being assigned to of P & T quarters on Thompson Road have
investigate and improve the working of the been asked to vacate their quarters to make
Public Sector projects; room for the staff of the; Accoul)tant General
P&T moving down from Simla.
(b) the number of units selected and the
progress of the study made in ihis direction; (b) and (c). These quarters are specifically
and intended for the staft' of the office of the
Accountant General P&T and were allotted
(e) the various agencies and institutions temporarily to the staff of the Director of Audit
• associated with this effort? &Account, P&T Delhi only because they were
not for the time being required for the use of
THE ,MINISTER OF STATE IN THE the Accountant General's staff. These
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C. quarters are now required fOr the staft' of that
SETHI) : (a) to (c). The working of all office, who are not entitled to general pool
the Public Enterprises is kept under cons' ant accommodation in Delhi. The staft' of the
review by the Bureau of Public Enterprises. office of the Director of Audit and Account,
Wherever necessary~ studies in depth are P&T Delhi are however, entitled to general
also undertaken by the Bureau, jointly with pool accommodation and have been asked to
the concerned administrative Ministries, in. apply for the same.
order to locate sPecific problem areas and
suggest remedial measures. This is a conti- """ iiiii' ". t ~ ~ pm.
nuous process, and the measures suggested
by the Bureau, in the course of these studies
"'1J'T<ITof
and otherwise, are indicated to the enterprises 177. lllT ~~ ~ : '1lfr fW;nf
for initiating action with a view to removing
the deficiencies. No assistance has so far (Nf ~ ~"t Ii~ iICIf.i 'fOr i"l1" 'fOm
been taken of specialised consultancy organi- fifO
sations by the Bureau for undertaking
studies of the working of Public Enterprises,
but a decision has recently been taken to
('fO) 'fOlm ili ~~ ,t ~lffl m, qrir
seek assistance for such studies from well- IIhl i! ~ qrir mlJl q;) ~~ ili'1Pf i\
known consultancy organisations, as and f.t;wfT "IiI1:rf~ ~r ~ ~;
when felt necessary,

Post and Telegraphs Quarters at


(l!!") '!liT ~ Wi!" ~ fit; ~ .m 'f01

Thompson Road, New Delhi f.\1ITar 'fO~ ~ U'ilf a~ ili<sr ~ if


~ ili .rtm q;) ~ amcrru;r fro ~ f'lr
176. SHRI M.L. SONDHI: Will the ~ .m ili fif~U]' ili ~ ~if mlfT q;)
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state:
'fU~r ~3lT<r\WT ~ :;nirm;
(a) whether it is a fact that the present
occupants of 'Post and Telegraphs quarters ( If ) IiVi ~, til '1llT q;n:U]' ~ f'lr
at Thompson Road, 'New Delhrhave been ~ 300 Ifi"'IT ili i:'f 3 <'Ill!!" "fTlfT 'fOT
ordered to vacate their quarters to make
room for some staft' moving down from ~<r\WT ~ ~ ~r ~ (Nf ~;qT f~ir
Simla: f"'ifl~~~ '"~~W~; am
209 Writun Answers ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Writtm Answers . 210

('f) <m ~m~;r 3 ~~ \;Tm ~T ('f) WlTf, 1967 if !fff, ~,


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3Tftl'
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trfer ;r@, aT ~'lQT <r.T~ ~ ? ~ .mrt ~ f'I"IiT« ~ <tT ~ if
"l:l'ilJ ~<: it ~ 3TElI"lA" ~ <r.T f;;~
fiRrf a," ~'!" ~ if O,,"~ f.ti<Ir '" I 3TO!fIf;r ~ it arq-;rr 'foTli 'fU
(151) fq'~ smTil ): (~) ~m <tT ~ f<'TIfT ~ I ~ ~fulfT if, c ~lJ" sw.r

..ir!'a~'h:r ~ 3Rlila- ~ ~ ;ITq 'l~ f'l"ifT<: ~it ~ ~ ~lf> ~T!f


,~;r. 'l~ lfiT 0'l<'I~ cmr ~ iI"UiI<:n lJf1If(f 'lit ~ftrd ~r ar~ ;r@ ~
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<I'Il~)"~'"
arRrR'Rr Wif cit ~ra-1 ~ I 5R~ qrorr<: 178. 1Ift~" ~: <m
\
'lit 'PT ~ f;:r~ ar-J;'n;r fW ;;mrr~, ;it ""~ a," qf(.~ ~;r 8'11 ~,
f!f; ~r ~r am: 9T¥ '1<: ~r ~,1 ~ ~ OI11Im am ~1f()1I' f~Q' 1f'lI1lT& iTffiit ~r
lim'<: ~a-r ~ f;;rri arq~ ~ mur FIT ~~it f;r.:
~T~ i!i1ft;r~ lfor m~1 I ~ ~ '"" (;r.) S!1rn WITt. 1968 ~ 30 TT,
cR 'f<: it ~~ ifTf<'llfoTlfoT ~~ ~it 1969 <I1F If,1 arqf" if qf<:~ f"l!);;rr
~ f<'l~ ~ ~ ma- ~ I ~ alfaf<:'Rr fill, ~r ~ 3f\it;r firi"lT"f <:i;;1i\' if ~~ur
;rOlf'lT amffi<'T1 ~ ~ if iFf ;r.r lJ'~1 'rf \;lfCTTit a," ~l1ft ~ '!"'f.-'!"lf>
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\ GtT<I" ~ f.;rlJif ~. f;r'fTor aI~ 3TR <r.T iIT~ffl;r.<:Uf f.!;l:rr ~;
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<r.T .~ sf\;

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arfORf ~<: f<;rlr ~·it I WIT ~m it ('I ) IT~ &to aT ~ f~lf.n 'lit ~
cit t fit; ~ ~;ITq ~1 ~ 'l<:
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~T ~ <r.T<:Uf !fff ~ arf'Tfffimr ~ I f~, 0I11Im <I'll ~ fit4i1u ~ if
amTr ~ f;r. ;rift arm 'I1Ii!>r mm ifiTT ~.~ (W1D 1511qf~~) : (ifi')
~I ~('f).~1~~~'Ii"T;A m~ fl
2t1 Writtell Allswers JULY 21, 1969 Wrillell A"~"'ers 212

Nickel Reserves In Orissa

IBO. SHRI CHINTAMANI PAN 1-


GRAHl: Will the Minister of PETROLEUM
AND CHEMICALS ANO MINES AND
METALS be pleased to state:
179. ..n UII M( i1~ :
(8) whether investiaations in Saruabil-
..nmur~~: Sukerange block in Orissa have been com-
.n~~: pleted by now;
"lfA .... ~:
(b) whether presence of sizeable ore

!flIT ~ "'" ~ ~~ am reserves of nickel has been inferred from the


datas col1ected· so far; and
~,~<'I'"~~~~
(c) if so, the extent of reserves estimated
iRIR ilil 'PIT ifi'{iI' fiI; : so far?

(iii) ~~ lIf;;r'fT iii S!'l"~ THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE


~ (1969-70) it~~~ MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
iii 3('itIITif fil;R Olff'ffl ~; (SHRI JAGANATH RAO): (a) No, Sir.
Investiaations are still in progress.
("-r) ~vi ~1l1 lImr it aW
mrlll ""
1969-70 it qfu-r~ f.ttit;;r;r
(b) The potential nickel bearing areas
so far demarcated by pitting and drilling is
~ ~ fiI;wrr -f~ 'fo'I" Olflf fiI;!rf about 0.6 sq. km.
;;ni\"trr;~
(c) The reserves will be computed on
completion of drilling programme.
(If) ;nO! fq;:fN ~ it ~ ~l
~if>1:l\' am: f~ O!'f ~ifiT Overdrafts by Orissa Government
srmlf t? 181. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANI-
GRAHl: Will the Minister of FINANCE
~~ "'" ~ ~ am f,pri.r be pleased to state:
~ <'I'" ~ Mm ~ if (a) whether the Orissa Govemment has
~ 1#!ft (wro .-ftqfir~) : (ifi) cleared its overdrafts of Rs. 15.62 crores by
53 ~11!f I now; and

(@) arrnf;m artifi,W ~ t :- (b) if so, when it was cleared?

T.HE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE


I. ;ftIft- ~ lI1;;r;rr iii; ~ MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C.
-300~~~if SETHI) : (a) and (b). The Go\·ernment of
Orissa cleared its overdraft on the Reserve
Bank on the 27th June, 1969 after obtaining
2. ~ 1969-70 iii; f'ru: a Ways and Means advance of Rs. 16 crores
-42~ml from the Central Govemment.

(If) 1969-7il it ~ ~ ;m:ft Ii m- .~ iii; f.n:1nl III't wm"


(~aW~~~) tI'"~~ 182. 'IIl~~ ..~:
iii f.Mfur ~1SlI ~: 22 ~ 7 ~T@ am: ..n~~:
~I 'Ill fP ~ qlfPl" :
213 Wrillen Answe,. ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Wrillell Answers 214

~ 60 ,"0 ""'": \'liT' it 11FT ~ t ~ ifiTlT '11: ~


~T~;nln: <:(.1" ~ i!in:Uf 1j3Tm!r t ~ ~ ;;rrit iIil '
~~q;fim : ~ I!fT I ~ilin: it ~ij" fircm" if ~
~T tr-fo fu~ : ~ fi!iI<T am 27 ~ 'liT ~-arf'f­
~qT~~: i!iTfu:if it ~ ~ 'Ii1: <U I
~~~:
Central Assistance to Orissa Government
~;ft~~~:
for Flood Relief Measures
~o~~:
-n m,~ 'Itr: 183. SHRI CHINTAMANI PANI-
GRAHl: Will the Minister of FINANCE
~T \iq)f1!1i1f II§ : be pleased to state:
-nto an~:
-n.no.no ~~ (a) the total amount which the Central
Government have given to Orissa Govern-
~Tto ~T: ment upto the 31st July, 1969 for under-
~Tm t"'f : taking relief and otber works in connection
witb flood and cyclone damages caused to
~ ,~ f~ Ulf1lT : Orissa in 1968;
~~~
~ UIITIRm: mn : (b) whether the Central Government
have scrutinised tbe acc:ounts as to whetber
tbe money given had been spent for the
<m 11m Ii!fT I<~ ~ffiit 'lIT ~'IT ~it purpose for which it had been given;
fili
(c) the different heads for which mOlley
(iii) <m ~ ~ ~ f.!;"'1rn! ~ m was given for meeting the flood and cyclone
havoc in the State and the amount giVen
~ t mTer'IiT it ¥, 1969 if.T iroifflT under each head; and
~iliT;am
(d) the amount of money which the
State Government bave spent from its own
(1;1") I<~~. (1") W wm'f t <m re,ourees, plan and non-plan, in 1968-69 and
-mur it <IT'tt ~n: it ~Ifi"T Ift'Il ~ in 1969-70 so far for augmenting the assis-
tance received from tbe Centre for this pur-
~ it <m iIillfilT@" ilir ~ ?
pose in details?

11m "!ffi'I1f if ~T (lilT 5(0 "0 ~): THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
(iii) ;;rr, ~ I MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI JAGAN-
NATH PAHADIA): (a) An amount of
Rs. 4.50 creres has so far been paid to the
(l!r) wm'f iIil (I"~ ilin:ur, Government of Orissa towards the ex-
~ ~ m..-"tI< ~ iliTll'f<;rIr ~ ;m: penditure on relief and rehabilitation
<lTf"lililf~ll1 iii), ~I< ~ ilir f.If~ measures undertaken by them on aa:Dunt of
f~'i If.T mr;:r rn ~ ~i!in: 'Ii1: ~
Ihe cyclone and floods in 1968.

'i~ arn:)'i-~ f~ ;;lTit If.T am ;m amr- (b) Cenlral assistance is released in tbe
'liTro:r'i 'for, f(l;;r)f~1if 'for, f.r;rit ;fit; am light of the progress of expenditure and is
finally adjusted on the basis of audited
d«t ~fl¢ ~ ~ iliTI]';;r-tr-f am figures of expenditure as certified by the
If.r~ <m!~' <:11Ir 'Iff, ;;nf~q'i iliT lJ'1< Accountant-General.
,,~~ mr lT~-f.Trir~ro;:rr irr ~ ~ (c) The items of expenditure for which
~ '11: (I1IT 'mW~ arrlf.~iIi ~r 3lRt- it was agreed to provide Central assistance
21S Writ/en Answers JULY 21, 1969 Written Answers 216

were: (i) relief items like gratuitous relief, (b) The layout area will depend on the
.."ouse-building grants, relief works, grants design .finally selected .
to fishermen, etc. (ii) loans to agriculturists
and fishermen and (iii) repairs to roads and· (c) and (d). The question involved is not
irrigation works. Central assistance is, merely of the Prime Minister's personal
however, actually released on the basis of wishe, or cohvenience. Government have
total expenditure and is not relateable to carefully considered the matter. They have
individual items. come to the conclusion tbat the present
arrangements are in many respects inadequate
(d) The State Government expect to and have accordingly decided that a new and
incur an expenditure of Rs. 6.16 crores on permanent official residence should be con-
various relief measures during the two years structed for the Prime Minister of India
1968-69 and 1969-70. As against this, the with due regard to the essential minimum
Central assistance sanctioned so. far is needs, official and public as well as
Rs. 4.SO crores. The State Government personal.
would, therefore, be spending Rs. 1.66 crores
from their own resources. Allowance to Staft" of Indian Audit and
Accounts Depurtment and Central
Ne.. Residence for Prl_ Minister Government on Deputation to
Delhi Administration
184. SHRI H. N. MUKERJEE: Will
the Minister of HEALTH AND FAMILY 185. SHRI N. SHIVAPPA: Will the
PL.ANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state:
AND URBAN·DEVELOPMENT be pleased
to state: (a) whether it is a fact that the staff of
the Indian Audit and Accounts Depanment
(a) whether it is a fact that he has and the Central Government sent on depu-
asked "selected" architects to submit designs tation to the Delhi Administration get depu-
for a new housing complex intended for the tation duty allowance at 20 per cent of their
residence of the Prime Minister; basic pay in their parent department, whereas
no deputation duty allowance is paid to the
(b) whether it is a fact that the aforesaid staff of the Audit and Accounts Department
complex will be approximately as large as and the Central Government sent on depu-
the Teen Murti House; tation to the Central Government;

(c) whether he has ascertained from the (b) whether this is not an unnecessary
Prime Minister that her present residence, expenditure on the resources of the Delhi
where she has Ihed long enough, is either Administration whose budget is passed by the
inadequate or de.rimenta I to the dignity of Central Government and is approved by the
her office or otherwise inappropriate; and Parliament; and

. (d) whether it is thought right and pro· (el the reasons why the Central Govern-
per to spend large sums in ostentatious ment had not taken· a decision in the case of
construction when so many priorities for the the Delhi Administration also when the depu-
people are being forgofton? tation duty allowance was stopped to the
staff of the Indian-Audit and Account
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Department deputed to the Central Govern-
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY ment?
PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING
AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
B. S. MURTHY): (a) No, Sir. Although, MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C.
originally it was proposed to make a pre- SETHI): (a> Yes, Sir. The staff of the Audit
liminary selection of architects who would and Accounts Department and the Central
be asked to submit designs for the new Government deputed 10 other Departments of
official residence of the Prime Minister, it the Con:ral Government on posts on identi-
is now proposed to hold an open competition. cal, equivalent or lower scales of pay ar.
217 Wrltte" A"swrs ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Wrltte" Alllwers 218

not entitled to any deputation (duty) HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT>


allowance. be pleased to state:
(0) Considering the difficulties experi-
(a) whether it is a fact that Siligle Room
enced in manning posts in the Union
Chummeries with common facilities like
Territory where the local cadres have not yet
Dining Hall, Kitchen and Lavatory "ere
been built up to the required calibre and constructed for Bachelors in Delhi;
strength, the additional expenditure incurred
on deputation allowance is not considered as (b) whether the residents of these
unnecessary. Chummeries are paying for these facilities
(c) Orders stopping deputation allowance and the Estate 0fIice deducts from their
to the staft' of Indian Audit & Accounts salaries an amount for water and electricity
Department deputed to the Central Govern- used in these common rooms;
ment were initially made equally applicable
in the case of Delhi Administration but later (c) whether the C. P. W. D. had provi-
in view of the difficulties experienced in ded furniture for use and 'charges for it; and
manning posts in some of the Union TerrI-
tories (including Delhi), these territories were (d) if so, why eviction proceedings
exempted from the operation of those orders against their common servants are taken and
pending review of the general scheme of de- the closure of their rooms when they have
putatipn allowance. not complained against ,them?

Illegal Possession of Gold


MI~siR~~~T::AZ~ S~~i; :=~r~
186. SHRI N. SHIVAPPA: Will the PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: .AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI
B. S. MURTHY): (a) The single room chum-
(a) the total value of gold found by merries were designed initially for allotment
Criminal Investigation Department during the to bachelors but these are now being allolled
pericd from 1st January, 1968 to the 1st June, to family officers also.
1969 (illegal money);
(b) the number of persons found guilty (b) No additional rent is recovered for
and arrested so far in this connection; and the common dining halls, kitchens or lava-
tories. etc. from the allotlces. Water taps
(c) the steps Government propose 'to take h3\'e not been provided in the living room
to curb this illegal practice? and have only been provided ill kitchens,
baths, lavatories, etc. Every 20 chummeries
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE are served by one common water meter and
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C. the water charges are recovered from the
SETHI): (a) Presumably, the reference is to allotlCes at a flat rate. Separate electric
seizures made by the Income-tax authorities meters have been provided for electric con-
of gold as reprcs:nting unaccounted money. sumption in each chummery and the allottees
During the period from the 1st June, 1968 to pay the consumption charges direct to the
the 31st May, 1969, no such seizure was made local bodies. The electric charges for the
by the Income· tax authorities. common places, like staircases, baths: lava-
tories, kitchens dining halls, etc. are recovered
(b) and (c). Do not arise' from the allollees at a ftat rate.

ebu mlDeries for Bachelors in Delhi (C) Wherever furniture ,s provided in


dining halls, kitchens, the rent is charged
187. SHRI N. SHIVAPPA: according to the rules.
SHRI RAGHUVIR SINGH
SHASTRI: (d) There is one dining hall, a kitchen
and a set of 2 bat h-room,. lavatories for eac
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND block of 10 chummeries. The dining ha
FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, and kitchen, etc. is meant for use by th
219 Written AlUw~r. JULY 21,1969 Writte" AlUwers 220

• allottee5 in a block. Complaints were the Korba Coal based Fertilizer Plant would
received in respect of 8 blocks tbat !be dining begin and when it would begin production?
halls were being used for running messes on
commercial basis and the people living out- THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
side those particular blocks were also using MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND CHE-
those dining halls. The mailer was looked MICALS AND MINES AND METALS
into and the unauthorised occupants were (SHRI D. R. CHAVAN): A final decision
evicted from the dining halls and it was has not yet been taken regarding the setting
decided to allot the dining hall and kitchen up of coal based fertilizer plants in the pub-
in the name of one of the allottees of the lic sector.
block on receipt of the consent of other
allottces subject to condi tions that all !be
a1lottees will be responsible for maintenance, Drinking water Requirements of Rural Areas
up-keep of the common places and for their in M. P.
proper use. This procedure is in vogue at
present and only 3 dining' halls stand allot- 190. SHRI NITlRAJ SINGH
ted in the names of allottees. CHAUDHARY : Will the Minister of
HEALTH AND FAMILY PLANNING
AND WORKS, HOUSING AND URBAN
Exchange of Malilat~d Currenry Note by DEVELOPMENT be plea,ed to state:
Resene Bank
(a) whether a special division to survey
188. SHRI N. SHIVAPPA: Will the drinking water requirments of rural areas
Minister of FINANCE be pleased to state: in Madhya Pradesh was set up, if so,
when;
(a) the number of mutilated currency
notes of various denominations produced at (b) whether any report has been submit-
the various Branches of the Reserve Bank of ted by the said division;
lodia for exchange of new notes during the
preceding one year; and (c) if so, the details of recommendations
made alld action taken thereon; and
(b) the percentage of these mutilated
(d) if no such division was set uP. the
notes to those curr.ntly in circulation in the
reasons therefor and when it would be set
country. ?
up 1
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTR Y OF FINANCE (SHRJ P. C.
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
SETHI): (a) and (b). A statement showing
PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING
the number of mutilated currency notes of
AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI
various denominations produced at Reserve
B. S. MURTHY): (a) Yes, two special
Bank of India Offices for exchange of new
lovestigation Divisions are functioning in
notes during the year ended 31st March, 1969
M. P. The first Division was formed in
and the percentage of these mutilated notes
1964 and the second Division has been set
. to those currenlly in circulation is laid on
up recently.
the Table of the House. [P/acrt/ i" Library
See No . LT-1277/69.]
(b) and (c). The First Division submitted
its report on the assessment of the rural water
Coal Based Fertilizer Plant supply problem in November, 1966. For
making an assessment of the rural water
189. SHRI NITIRAJ SINGH supply problem, it grouped 76,843 villages of
CHAUDHARY: the State under four different categories viz.
SHRI NATHU RAM AHIRWAR: (i) difficult and scarcity areas. (ii) areas where
there is inadequate water supply, (iii) speci-
Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND ally backward areas, land (iv) areas requiring
CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS safe and wholesome water. The cost of
be pleased to state when the construction of providing water supply facilities to all these
221 Writlrrr ArrSM·er& ASADHA 3D, 1891 (SAKA) 222

villages is estimated at" Its. 85 crores. Both (b) if so, the percentage of its market
the Divisions are now engaged in preparing participation increased during the last three
plans and estimates for individual villages years, years-wise ?
based on priorities.
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
It i. for the State Government to deter- MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND
mine priorities and oullays for all the CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
schemes. During the period of Fourth Five (SHRI D. R. CHAVAN): (a) Yes.
Year Plan, Central assistance to the States for
eligible Sta te Plan Schemes, including the (b) The market participation of Indian
National Water Supply and Sanitation Pra- Oil Corporation in private business ...as
gramme, is being given in the form of Block 13 ..'10% in 1965, 20.35% in 1966, 26.17% in
loans and Block grants. 1967 and 31.15% in 1968.

(d) Does not arise. Fertilizer Complex Near Udliipur

Evasioa of Income Tax by O ....en of Tea 193. SHRI N. SHIVAPPA: Will the
Gardens In Assam Minister of PETROLEUM AND CHEMI-
CALS AND MINES AND METALS be
191. SHRI GADILINGANA GOWD: pleased to state :
Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased
to state: (a) whether Government propose to set
up a fertilizer complex near Udaipur based
(a) whether the cases of evasion of on huge deposits of rock phosphate located
Income-tax from the owners of Tea Gardens near the lakes of Udaipur; and
in Assam have come to Iiaht;
(b) when the proposal would be finally
(b) if so, the details thereof; and declared and the details thereof ~

(c) the arrears of Income-tax due from THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
them during the period and the action being MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM AND
taken to realise the outstanding amounts ~ , CHEMICALS AND MINES AND
METALS (SHRI D. R. CHAVAN): (a)
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE and (b). Rock phosphate deposits Ioealed
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C. r.ear Udaipur and in other areas tn
SETHI): (a) & (b). There were SOme compla- Rajasthan are still under investigation. A
ints of tax evasion in the cases of four such Working Group, set up by Government. have
owners.· In one ca!e, the complaint was on the ba.i. of data so far available. indi-
found to be baseless and the matter has cated the possibility of establishing a ferti-
been closed after enquiries. In the other lizer complex at Saladipura or Udaipur
three cases, investigations are stil! going on. making use of these rock phosphate deposits
as also the pyrites deposits located in Raja-
(c) Nil. sthan. The establishment of such a complex
can be considered only after commercial
Increase in Market I'IIrtidpatloa by exploitation or the deposits starts.
Indian Oil Corporation
World Bank Loan to India
192. SHRI GADlLlNGANA GOWD:
Will the Minister of PETROLEUM AND 194. SHRI SHIVA CHADRA JHA :
CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS Will the Minister of FINANCE be pleased
be pleased to state : to state:

(a) whether it is a fact tbat Indian Oil (a) whether it is a fact that the World
Corporation bave increased its market parti- Bank has recently gnulled fresh loan to
cipation in private business also; and India;
223 Wrlll~n Answers JULY 21,1969 Wr;lI~n AnslO'ers 224

(b) if so, when and the details thereof; being run by the UNICEF in the State oC
and Bihar.

(c).if not, the proposals from the (d) The requisite information is being
Government oC India which are lying befo~ collected and will be laid on the Table of
the World Bank authoritities" for considera- the Sabha.
tion for more aid to India; the reasons for
delay and the reaction of Government COIIh'OI of Kosi and Kamla Balan Floods
tbereto ?
196. SHRI SHIVA CHANDRA JHA:
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE Will the" Minister of IRRIGATION ANt>
MINISTRY OF FINANCE (SHRI P. C. POWER be pleased to state :
SETHI): (a) Yes Sir.
<a) whether it is a fact that Government
(b) Loan/Credit Agreements were signed' have taken steps for controlling the Kosi and
with the World Bank and International Kamla Balan floods in Bihar this year vls-a-
Development Association on June 18, 1969, vis last year;
Cor assistance for the Tarai Seeds Project and
the Third Tele-communication Project. The (b) if so, the details thereof; 'and
datails are given in the Statement laid on the
Table of the House. [Plaut! in Library. &e (c) if not, t~e reasons therefor?
No. LT-1278/69].
THE DEPUTY MINISTER IN THE
(c) Does not arise. MINISTRY OF IRRIGATION AND
POWER (SHRI SIDDHESHWAR PRASAD):
Performance of UNICEF Centre in BIhar (a) Yes; Sir.

195. SHRI SHIVA CHANDRA JHA : (b) Kosi.


Will the Minister oC HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, (i) Wherever breaches had occurred in
HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT the tail end of the western embankn!ent,
be pleased to state : these had been fully repaired, and the
embankment brought to designed section.
(a) whether it is a fact that the UNICEF
has one Centre working in Bihar; (ii) The entire embankment of the two
~ides of the river Kosi has been carefully
(b) if so, since when; surveyed, and wherever there was any
deficiency in the sections of the embankments,
(c) its specific achievements so far vis-a- these have been remedied.
v Is the total amount spent aince its inception
in Bihar; and (iii) New spurs have been put up and old
spurs repaired. Offshoots in the dhars going
(d) whether it is a Cact that the Bihar near the embankments have been closed.
Unit's B. C. "G. team has made more visiting
rounds in the Samastipur sub-division than
the Madhubani sub-division of Darbhanga <iv) Considerable quantities of boulders,
sand bags and bamboos and ot her flood
district; if so, the reasons therefor and the
fighting "materials have been collected at
specific policy Cor the B. C. G. team working
in the country side of Bihar in general and different vulnerable points for emergencies.
in Darbhanga district in particular?
(v) The machinery to supervise the
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE embankments has been tightened up.
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY
PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING (vi) Wireless sets and telephone lines have
AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI been put in order and alternative methods of
B. S. MURTHY): (0) to (c). No Centre i. supply of power has been arranged, so that
225 ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Wrillen Answers 226
...
WrUI~n Answ~rs

wireless sets might continue to function inspite (IT) ~ ~t, 6T ~ ·~. IIil~
of power failure through one source.
~ it; fi;rit ~ 'liT ~ f'l'11lf 8'IT
(vii) Steps are being taken to bricksote ~ ~ 'Ill ifIir ~ i:m f.mr ilfrU
and metal the top of the western embaDk- ~'liTf;r;m:t? _ .
ment in stages to make it motorable even-
during the heaviest rainfalls.' .
t'P1f CI'fI f~ ~ if ...
Kanlla Balan : Qt (11ft fQ'~sm1t): (~) ;U;~'I
Apart from the usual maintenace of
these embankments, the same are being
(Iii) am: (IT). m.ft ~ m
raised and widened from the original crest ~l ~ if ~ 4000 f;r:W'!i
width of 12 ft. to 16 ft. and are being raised ~;f'Ii;:r.r<'ri\' ~ t I ;d m.ft ~
so as to be safe for SO year frequency flood. 'l1f<'r'IiT it; ~ if ~ 0Ill'lfIT 150 ~f.r'Ii
The work of raising and widening has T!<'!'~I;{flI;~;roff ~ ~mqr.ft~
already been completed in vulnerable ~ i{IIZ ~ ;;mrr~, m.ft ~ f;rtTlf ~
reaches i. e, upstream and downstream of
Jhanjharpur Railway bridge and is in progress it;~if~~am:~~
in other reaches. T!<'!';r{f<'ltTTll'T;;rr~tl ~. \'I'Itif ~
(c) noes not arise. srtti;rr ~ II<: ~~ II<: ~. mr m--
;;rf.r'IiT!<'!'~\iIT~~1
~t=ftif~~qr.filll'l'~
Petro-Cllemleal Compls at Koyali
~
197. 11ft mr p: ~ ftl:;;nf 198. SURI N. K. SOMANI: Will t~
Minister of PEI:ROLEUM AND CHEMI-
"'" ~ ¢it ll'1!: ifCIf.t ~ 'li'IT ~ CALS AND MINES AND METALS be
pleased to state-:
flI;:
(a) whether it is a fact that a CaJilidian
('Ii) ~~lif~ mr\'l'lITT'IIl firm has· offered to participate in a Petr0-
Chemical Complex at Koyali; and
ITO lflIl ~ aRm ~ q1f fimtl i:m qr;ft
~ ~ CIf'!'Irita ~ it; ;mar arm; (b) if SO; the terms of the ofreraliil
'lifcsm :aor;fto ~ ~ t, am: llft i!:T, 6T the reaction of Government thereto 1
;;r;rer 'lil ~ lfif~ 'Ill ~ orn- it; THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
fi;rit ~ ~ if mom: 'lil ~ srfaf1f:ll'r MINISTRY. OF PETROLEUM AND
CHEMICALS AND MINES AND METALS
L (SURI D. R. CHAVAN): (a) and (b). Mis.
Polymer Corporation of Canada have offered
( Iii ) 'tll'T ""~~ 'liT RIT'T ~ iim'T to participate in a study of the market f!:lr
~am:lfl~\OITll'Ttmtfll;~ q1f ~ sYGthetic rubbers in the country in the next
five to ten years and the measures to be
f~ if ij''I1 amT-'ffiI' it; ~T if ~ adopted for the manufacture of the: appro-
""<:<m:lT!<'!' ~ tri\' it am: ~ 100 priate varieties as pa1'\ of the KoyaIi comp-
lex. The terms of-the offer are under con-
~ ~ ~;:r.r 'R: finh: ifiW ~ sideration.
am:-m ~ ~ 10 ll'T 15 qfffi~ ~
mqr;ft~ ~~ am: n miff 'Ill Closure of Approach Road to South

it; w.n
Moll Bagb (Nall8kpur)
amT-'ffiI' ~ CfI;ft <'!TilT ~ t; . 199. SURI BAL RAJ MADHOK: Will
ath the Minister of HEI\LTH AND FAMILY
227 Writtm Answllrs JULY 21, 1969 228

PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING (b) and (c). Government are aware of
AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT be pleased the, shortsge of medical officers in the Lep-
to state : rosy Control Programme. Incentive is
oft'ered in the form of a special allowance of
(a) whlllher it is a fact that duriug his Rs. lSO/- p~ RI. for the medical oflicers
_ t visit to a function at Nanakpur, New engaged in .the Programme. A similar allow-
Delhi it was represented to him in writing ance is given to medical officers to undergo
that tlte right of passage of the residents of orientstion trainiug.
the South Moti Bagh (Nanakpur) had been
snatched by the closure of approach road CORRECTION OF ANSWER TO USQ
from Rao Tula Ram Marg to the said colo- NO. lSOS, RE: NO OBJECTION CER-
Dy; TIFICATE TO C. P. W. D, STAFF OF
ELECTRICAL WING.
(b) whether the matter has been enqui-
red into ; and THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS,
(c) if so, the outcome thenaf? HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT
(SHRI K. K. SHAH): (a) ID answer to
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE parts (b) and (c) of Un starred Question No.
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY 1505 by Shri S. D. Somasundaram, M.P.
PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING answered on 3rd March, 1969; it was ststed
AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI that two applications from staft' of the Cent-
B. S. MURTHY) : (a) Yes, Si,r. ral P. W. D. seeking higher technical posts
are forwarded every year and that on account
(b) and (c). The matter is beinlliooked of shortsge of competent electrical stsft', only
into. ~,another approach road very two applications are forwarded. As a result of
near to the one closed down has already further investigation of facts, it has come to
been constructed. light that the total number of· applications
received for higher posts from the non-gazet-
ted (Electrical) stall' during 1968 was 184. Out
DoctonI for Leprtlll)' Care and CODtrol
of these, 172 applications were duly forward-
.Work In India
ed. Of the remaining 12, S were withheld
because either the applications were received
~. SHRID. C. SHARMA:
late or they were not for higher posts. Only
SHRI S. A. AGADl:
7 applications from Sectional OfIicers (Elect.)
were withheld in the public interest because
Will the Minister of HEALTH AND
the Section Officers concerned were allached
FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS,
to important Divisions which dealt with the
HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT
maintenance of refrigerators, air·conditioning
be pleased to state: plants and electrical installations in the
residences of Ministers, etc. Consequently
(a) whether two eminent Soviet Lepra- the answer to parts (b) and (c) of the ques-
logists who visited India for a month during
tion should be amended as follows :-
May-June, 19f;9, on a study tour have stres-
sed the need for more doctors takiug to lep-
rosy cure and control work in IDdia ; "On account of shortage of competent
electrical stafl', it is true that some appli-
(b) whether the sugestion 'has been cations have not been forwarded in the
uamined ;' and public interest."

(c) if so, with what results ? I regret the error which crept into the
answers liven previously.
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMiLY CORRECTION OF ANSWER TO USQ.
PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING NO. 1040 RE. FILING OF SUITS BY
AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI DELHI - MUNICIPAL CORPORATION
B. s. MURTHY): (a) Yes. AGAINST DEAD PERSONS.
229 Writun An.rlVes ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Written A_rs 230
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE D. M. C. was negligible and hardly exceeded •
MINISTRY OF HEALTH AND FAMILY Rs. 10/- per case:
PLANNING AND WORKS, HOUSING
AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT (SHRI (c) The concerned Inspector was sus-
B. S. MURTHY) : The Municipal Corpora- pended by the D. M. C.
tion of Delhi had intimated in their leiter of
of 15th November, 1968 that no suits had 12 bro.
been filed by the Municipal Corporation for CALLING ATIENTION TO MATTER OF
the offence of forcible occupation of public URGENT PUBLIC IMPORTANCE
land alainst people who have either died
years ago or who do not exist at all. It was
on the basis of this information that the Wltbdrawal of Jddian Military
following replies were gi yen to Unstarred Missioo ad Jadian Wireless
Question No. 1040 in the Lok Sabha asked Operaton from Nepal
by Sbri Bibhuti Mishra on the 18th Novem-
ber, 1961:- .nemf ~ (~ fmn)
~~,~ar~~~
(a) No.
it; r"...,r",r"ld .
~ If>'t am:
~-~
(b) and (c). The questions do not arise. ~ ;ril ~ Rornrr ~ am:
srPAr ~ ~
2. It was subsequently intimated by the fit; ~ ~ m
if ~ C!iRJiII" ~ :---
Municipal Corporation that two cases were
instituted against M/s Ramji La! Ram Sarup '~-'IiR ~ it; ;m.r it; ~ itt
through Shri Ramji Lal under section 321 of ~ i\tmr it; lI1iITlf ¢fr
rnr If>'t t11 l\l
the D. M. C. Act (Encroachment on public
land without permission) and Ihat it was r'ti
tWr If>'t "I1rofN ~ firo;r iIIR "I1rofN
later on revealed that Shri Ramji lal had
died 10111 ago. The Corporation also in-
~ armro i!iT ~ ~ '1m\" !<'IT
f.rqr IiJTlf I '
formed that the expendi lUre on such cases
was quite negligible hardly exceeding Rs. 10/-
THE MINISTER OF EXTERNAL
per case and that the concerned Inspector
AFFAIRS (SHIR DINESH SINGH): Mr.
had since been suspended.
Deputy-Speaker, sir, The Nepalese autho-
rities have been sUggestinc for some time
In view of the poSItion explained above that we should clum&e the status oE the Indian
the following replies may kindly be substitu- Military Liaison Group ia Nepal which was
ted in place of those already given :- sent for a specific purpose and gradually with-
draw Indian personnel from their border
(a) whether it is a fact that authorities checkposts as more and more Nepalese trai-
of the Delhi Municipal Corporation have ned personnel become available to take on
filed suits fOl" the offence of forcibly occupa- the work assigned to them. These matters
tion of public land against those people who were again discussed during the visit of
have either died years ago or who do not Nepalese Foreilln Minister to Delhi in May,
exist at an ; 1969 and during my visit to Nepal in the first
week of June, 1969.
(b) if so, the financial loss Government
suffered as a result of such cases ; and we have informed the Nepalese authori-
ties that we have no objection in principle to
(c) the action Government have taken acceding to their request in this regard.
against the officers responsible for this ? However, these arrangements were made in
cooperation because of the very closed rela-
(a) Yes, in two cases which were tions that exist between Nepal and India. In
instituted against a firm represented through view of our open border and free movement
one and 'the same person. of people and goods, we have to see how this
cooperation can be further strenllhened in .
(b) The expenditure incurred by the our mutual interest.
231 Withdrawal Military Mission etc. 232
0/ Indian' from Napal (C. A.)

[SHRI DlNESH SINGH] t~ri-~ sr~~ili~lili ~


It was agreed that experts from two sides ~ fWcrm;r~ ~ fit; ~ ~ ~
will meet and discuss these matters in depth.
~m~,~~~wrlti1:mtl~
We are ready to reoeive Nepalese oflicials and
are awaiting information from the Nepalese
Government. '
arq;ft ,m ffi ~<: ;rty m arnr
",1 ;p:ff
~iT 1 q: ~ lfiR1IT t 'mO am:
A copy of the joint communique issued ittrnrili~~ili~'t>T I
at the conclusion of my visit to Nepal is
placed on the Table of the House. [Placed f~ 1fror sr'tt imor ili ~ 't>T ¥f
In library. See No, Lt-1279/69.]
amt1<: ~ am: 'E/TI'irti ~ ~ ;;it
,"~~.mr: ~Ilf~, f'" cm:a<r it 'mO am:;mil" "!it ~
;rtmoram: 'mO it ~ ~ ~ ~ ;;IT ~ ~ emf\" ~ ~ t 1 <ro<j ~ at1f;r \l1t am:
~ 1ft 'fTift ~ ~ 1 ~ ilnrrit 'R ~­ ~'t>T ;mr~it ~amfttl ~
\'flr t 3f'tt fu;r, ;;IT ~ ~ ~ 'R ~ ~ iI'<rr.ft Ffifm ;r ~ f'" 'mO
~~, ~iliffi'lT~ am:~~ m:;m: ili \1W ~ mor1t
lfiilr rn tf'"
am:~ ~ ~ ~ irmrili ~ ~ arrm ~ f~~~ f~
W'f W arr ~ ~ I 3f'tt ~ {f~ lti1: ~ t, « ~ ",)i ~ 'IT'f f.t;Irr t 1
1ft~~~~ 1<ro<j~~\ifif~ ~ m:;m: ili \1W~~ "'~ 81'tt iJ"lT-
~ ~ garr t ~1 m:;m: iIft m=rer ;m 10 tmr iIft arrm1 mr
aror mlll ~
;ftfu, ~ f.mr ;fifer, f.;m f<mr ;ftfu;r ;;it~~, ~;;it <rot,~;r"!.'t
~~ili~~~t,~ ;;IT ~ ~ ~ ~~ orser ~ ~ irmr
~,~ ~ f;rollT t, lfiR1IT ¢ m "!it~~I~~~tl ~
;;IT~ ~~ ~m'f1ft ¢ 1t~ ~~f'" imor~m- ~
~ ~~ iIif'l1it ~ 1 ~ ~or.r ~ amt1<: 'R ;rty, ~or.r
irmr ili \ffl~ it 1ft ftr-rn t 1imil" ili ~~amt1<: 'R;rty~ 1 ~~
m'fm~~it,~¢~ amt1<: 'R ;rqn;r iii m'f ~ ~ i!iT
~ it 1arr<r ffi ~, ~ "!it 1ft ~ ~~ 1 ;;rorCf't> ~;ftm;r~ ~
~ 'I ~ f~ ~ arq;IT $~ fiR;r.T \'I\' IiIlfIflli am: ~ ~;rty ~it
,am: m ~ irmr i!iT 1ft ~ f.t;1:rr fit; ~ Cf't> imor ~ ~ ;;niI1rr, ~~ am:
~ ;;IT <r& ~ a(lelf<4\1 ~ it, ;;it ~ ;;rr;rr ;r ~ imor iii ~ it ;rty t
~ ~ ~ it eft Cf'ff 8I"lf ~ it ~ 'mO ~ ~ it 1ft ;rty ~ 1 ~ rso-
'1"1, ~ 1ft <r& ~ ~ fiR;r.T ~ 1 amr Wlfit it~~~ ~~am:it
~TiI"iIft ~ ~tfit; m
~am: amrr 't>W lIi«rT ~ f'" ~~ ~
;ft;:r t am: ~ am:
'mO ~ 1 imor ~ ;;r;mr ~ 1
m-m~~ ar'tt ~..rif ~ ~iro ~~tfil; w~~
1m14\" ~ m
ili ~ it irmr i!iT f.r;m: tf"'~ ~\iIl~ ammfam:
itiW t fit; w 'mO, f.;mili ~ m ~ onl<-ilt ~ t, ~ 1950 ...,. mt.r
~~~,'E\'f.rf;e~..tf~,~wr ~~",)~~;rtyt,~~'" ~
lIR: \11m t I ~z 'fT, ~ m:;m:;r ~ ~ iIiJ1f
~nr t fit; ~ 8f1A1 ~ ~ f.;m ili~, ~f;rtr ~ ~, arq;ft ~
Fr~~~ili~am: ~~~ ~ "!it -aarrif;rmr m
~ ~, attr.ft
2~3 Withd,'QW(l1 ASADHA 30, 1891 ($AKA) Military MiSs/lin etc. 234
of Indian from Nepal (C. A.)

~, Morro """ ~Ii'~" ~.;j; ~ an=m;r ~ : ;ft;r am ~


~ !9 arrtrm 1Jtit iI', iii) ~ Ri\' iI', fcmlr ~'" if ;itqr.r ,~~ ar<f.t ~ ~
~<mr ~Q'~~~iI', 'i3'~ ~ ~~t am
iIlJ '3f'fifT 'I'<:
f.m1!lTQ'1f;nf;j;~~iI'l ~~ SJ'I1'I'if~ifiT ",mroifi': ~t~1 ~
milT lIT <lTq<f iITlifT ~, 'IITm ;j; W'"-m ~if~Q'~tfit;~",,~~
~iI'MiI' t ittmT ;j; Q'Pf, 'IiroI' ~rmr ifil' -m t,
~ mrl' r~1f ~Tftm 'liT
'liT
1950 ifil' mlft, ~. ~ Q'RP!f ~ t I ~~ 'I'<:
5lITif ~ ~ I ~!!lIT

¢, !!lIT ~ ~ t r", iilrmr ~'fi'l<: '


~n: ~~'I'<: ~ ~f"'~
ilI'f.t ~ ~r~l if1t 'iTorr ~ mf.l;
iii ~ifi) ~ i"JR'I1t ffi ~'t ~rff
;j; Q'I!f,.~ ~fu";j; Q'l1f, sm;r ~
~ if; m
it 'lit ~ ~ ~ ij' ;;rr;r-
~srr<a'ifi':ri amill'f.t ~§m
;j; Q'I!f, ;;rot' ~ ~ tTlfl' af\', 'I1t vft ? am ~ ?
llft ~ iii{ f~ilHf ~ ~ <riff ifi': ~ t
Q'iIi '

ift 1mff ~ """ ~ orrn """ ~ lIT ~T f4im fq:: it l'fTif;Wr ~ ij'
'IiT~ ~ ffiffi'r~ ;;rqy;r ~ it ifiIT m- ~~ fit; m..- ij' ~ft ~ ~ Q'l'iI'MiJ'
ifl't ~@" t ? ~ I ~ ij' ltQ'l'iI'MiJ' ~ arT ~t ~ I

mrT, !!lIT ~ Q'(!I' t fit; 'arr.;r ilrmr ~~~, "11'flrifi~~,v.r­


rftfffifi Q'J=iI'~ t, "Sff ~ ~ 'liT if..- t
am 'IITm;j; -m ~ ~~ 'if~ arr ;itqr.r ij' ~ I am fcmlr ~ ~ ~
~iI'~,"sr-m:~ ~ro~
am ;itqr.r ~ <fi'if if ..
~ t, iii{ flJif fir<m ilrmr ~ ~Q' ifi':
..t ~ aiR ~ 'lit ~Q' ifi': ~ ~, om ;j; ~T~1I(~ (~):
~it~~~t, CI{t'l'<:~ ~~~tIQ'l'iI'MiJ'~'
0!fTIm: ~ w t, ~ ~ff it !!lIT ~ ~Rim"":~~i!t~
~ i!trmr am 'IiroI';j; ~,;m.r
m.ror m
~'l9Tfit; 1950 "'I' ~ij' ~~T
ifi)~ ~ ~~ ~t?
amm:'I'<:m ~'R: ~m
;j; f¥l' i!trmr ~ ij' ~ <rrff'if'm ~? '1950"'1'~;ijmfit; ~ ~

;fttft <riff ~ t fit; l!lfT ~ ffllf t r", ;;rr;ffl~~~~am~~'I1t ~


vftl~~'IiT~Q'm~;r(f t l
i!trmr ;j; ~ "') ~a- ~~;;ft;r aiR
~~~~~;r(f~~~~ifiil'~
mtI'f
~ ~<f if",
ffi ~ am mfu" 'liT ~ ar'R m. t
SHRI S,K, TAPURIAH (PaU): Sir, tbece ~ il'qff.ij''fi'PI'~ >ft;i'f ~~ ifr.rif
should be some order on the Treasury
Benches. What is going on there? ~~~I
~~ <lTff i!Il'R ~ fit; ~ ~ ~
SHRI BALRAJ MADHOK: May I know
if it iii the acting Foreign Minister who is if !!lIT ..qo.m t·? W'IiT ~ itil ij(qy;r
standing there? We have an acting President, ~fWf"'~~~t I
an acting Speaker and the acti'1l Foreign
Minister is going there. ~I'~ ~~I'fit;~~
arR~~~ if !!lIT ~~~
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Please con-
clude your question. ~~rm;r(f~~w~~?
235 Wjthdrawal JULY 21, 1!i169 Military Mus/OIl etc. 236
ofltrdiQII from Nepal (C. 14.)

[JJftf~] ;;ft ~ t ~ ~ ~ I ~ \'I1I1'tm:


~ 1IT;r;fil:r ~ ;ry;ffi ~ fit; itlfl'if ~ rn~it~~I~~~m
~~tam:~~~~~~~ it~~~t~~fhT~~ t~
~ an;.m Q~ ~ ~ an;.m ~ ~ '{{1 ;;n;r;mr t I
ari~am: rn ~ ~ ~~~ ~
SHI,U S. K. TAPURIAH : Diplomacy,
iiRit ~~~~I it~l~t silence and discretion appear to be foreian to
fit;~~~~~~ tbe Foreign Minister. Unwanted fanfare
fiI; ~ ~ am:
~ ;;ft~~ m was sougbt to be created during bis recent
visit to Nepal. Botb radio and press went
~~ 'fi"t l!iVIT~~ I ~ 1ft~ on glorifying bis visit. One newspaper went
to describe it tbat the bulletins issued by tbe
~~~tam:lf~ fi!i~ am:~
Department sought to create an impression:
~i!\TlIi1~~ ~'Ii'f 'EIf~~~ Dinesh came, Dinesb saw and Dinesh
~~~fit;~~ 1fT ~ ~ conquered. I tbink, Ibe hon. Minister
agrees or believes witb the author Oscar
~~tl ~~~ ~~iiR Wilde who wrote: Nothing succeeds like
it 'fg~~ ij1'iIil{ ~ t ... (~) excess. That is wby he indulged in excess
publicity.
SUR) M. L. SONDHI (New Delbi):
Ali discredited, disgruntled, politicians are My question would be in two parts.
dumped in Nepal. It is a fiasco. Firstly, since the Nepalese <!emand came so
close on the heels of his visit, may I know
~ ftim f~: ~ ~ ~fit;~'
;m it ~ nr.r ~ it am: it ~ ;;mor
what did he do there which created Ibis
situation that they made this demand imme-
diately following bis visit? Secondly, what
~""~~~'am: ~ ~W repurcussions this withdrawal, if we agree to
~ ~ Ift;r it ~ ~ .rr.rifT ~ ~ ~ ~ I it, will have on surveillance of Chinese move-
~~ "" orra= ~ ~ ;ftfiI; W ~ ~ ments and activities in that part of the
country? .
~1f"Ili it ~ amft ~I ~~~"f'ti
~ ifIfT-iIIfT ~ ~ am: fiR
art11: ~
SHRI DINESH SINGH: The bon. Mem-
l'er did his best througb the newspaper that
IIiTIR ~ nr.r 'li ffi it ~;;mor ~ 'ti1 be controls to give an impression tbat it was
~~I a total failure ...
SHRI S. K. TAPURIAH: I do not cont-
itanf~~IIfTfit;~IITU;;ft ~
rol any newspaper. I subscribe to them all
t ~ ~ arNn: tn: t f'ti.rr.n ~ amm including your cronies Patriot and National
~, ~ ~ iII'l<: .rr.n ~ armr it ~ H"ald.
~ ~ ~ I ~r.n ~l ~ ilr.r it il"QO".q SHRI DINESH SINGH : Wbatever he
~~t~~~~Ij;~ or bis friends might try to print or misprint
cannot obliterate tbe facts as bave bappened.
~~I
So far as tbe second part, tbe only rele-
~ ~~ it ~"II'1 'ltfT f1I; ;ft;r vanl part, of the question tbat be tried to put
iII'l<:~~~~ ~omil>'t is concerned, I would reply. The hon.
~ ~ ~ ~ I n;ft;r onfiI;m;r am: Member said tbat tbis demand came up on
tbe beels. I do not know wbere tbe beel
Ij; ""~ ifIfT ~m ~~ ~ ~~) ~ comes into this picture. Quite sometime back
~,.;y~t~~~ this was discussed when tbeir Foreign Minis-
ter came here on an earlier occasion. It is
~~~tfl!1~.q-~~ a question tbat is bein& discussed. As to
~~ ~, ~~ ~am:~~ what is the mult oC the diacussion, it bas
237 Withdrawal ASADHA 30. 1891 (SAKA) Military Mis.iOfl ~tc. 238
oflndilm from Nepal (C. A.)

been incorporated in the joint Communique Tuesday that India and Nepal bad
that these points would be examined in depth withstood many powerful pressures from
by the experts on both sides. abroad to divide the two countries."
SHRI BAL RAJ MADHOK: He has not
answered to this question, namely, if the t
it 'l'JifT 'fTi!:6'T f~ ~ ~ ~ 1ITIn:.
withdrawal is agreed to. what effect it will p~f ;;r)fi!'i"~ It>'m~f
have on tbe surveillance of Cbinese move-
ments and activities and our defence.
am: ~ i!lfT~ m
mIT t?

SHRI DINESH SINGH: Our personnel ~i!'i"T~~~tf~'flIT~


are there to assist tbe Nepalese team oil the
border. They do not carry out any s,!rveill- ~~ t fit; ami' ;ft;r 'lft ~ ~ i!'i"<: ~
ance for us. tfit;~'f.) arm 'Ii\;;rit ",~am:

.n mt=mr
~~ (~~ ~<:) : aJ'1T<:~~~ttIT~il'Rit~
111'<:6' ~ ~ m'l' ~ ~ itrtm'r t 'Iit'fllT~t?
~~~~;::T ~;rtvf ~
~i!'i"T ift~T ~m~tf~~
m ~ t ~ ~ :;n~ 1Jl~ am:
~~ I W'fil~~itiffl\'lTffi'tl
f.A;z t ~ ~ t~;rty f~ f~
;;Jif*ft~~~ tlTllo \f.ro ~o
~~ !!>'T ;rnr t I itrtm'r t srtrr.f 1I'lf1 aF fu'l1t<:;r ~~. ~ fuM ~~
iHU!!>'T ~ ~ ~ fit; "ltl~~ am: m ~ fit; ~;ft;r;r ~ ~t
f~ am:
~1'zr C01l'<:"~ ~ IfiT f...- ~ im<'I' ~T ~ ~ I ~ am:
itrtm'r ~ m<m ~ Rom ~ ~ 1I'i1r;;Jif ~~arq;r,.~~fit; aJ'1T<:
~ t ~-iIil1f ~1 itrtm'r t ~ ~ ;ft;r ;r itrtm'r If<: ~ f.I;lrr tIT 'ITrof ~~
~~m~II'i1r~am:~'lft ~ ~ ~ ~ ifiW I ~ fufrqr
mrr ~~ it U'f ~ ~ ~''''g6' ;rty tT m~ ~~f~"hll" i!'i"T mtlT
~ ;ft\if ;rty t I aJ'1T<: ~ II'i1r ~i!'i" fttoft· l!roiI' 'IT I <rr;:: it ~ qm 'f<'TT fit; II 0 ~ 0
1l~ ~ ~ anift tiT \j~T if'iUT ~ffi I ~o ~ fu'l1t<: ;r ~ ~ ~ IifiI'<: ;::1
W'fil ~ ~ t fit; .f.if\irz i!'i"T ;;it ~ 1f1 ~ IIT\iI" 'Iit;rty ilf~'Ii ~ 1967 'lit '"
~ ~Q;~~ ~t~~ f;;r9' If<: f...- ~ arq;rr m ~ 'IT I
~<'ffi arm: pr ~ I arr;;r ~ fcr~ \iJT ~~~;;it~1;;ftf~
~ f I ~ fl;nr;r ~ ~:;n~~;r
~~~iftATm~~~~~T
~ "'tv fl ~~ ~rorr~tfit; ~fit;!fi!:~amI'!!>'Tt~;::)m..­
~~;rw ~lfiTm~~ 'IU'f1 t I ~T ~ ~ ;rnr ~ t am: iflJ1:
~ ·i!'i"<:ifT :;n~~ ifm;rty fiI;lrT~.
~ttIT~"~1f ~~~1Il tIT~
fOTlT'Iit t I ~ fimr)·'Iit ~ ~ ~ Rom ~ r...- ~iI<: ~·~1 t ?
f~~~.ro~.~lit
ffi;r, ;m: ~;n<'T 'l'JifT ~
~r.r.fR *ft ~ arrf'!iIit itu ~ ~ t f~ i!lfT ~
t I itt~tffi;r~f I ~ tIT~ ~tfit; ~~ ;;Jififl'T fir.A ~
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;;Jif tIT arrf.t
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~ ~ 11 Tf ~T U'fT t: w iIl't it ~ ~ ~ .;rty f'lilIT
"The External Affairs Minister, Mr. am: ~ ~~~ fit; anq- itt ..rr.r
Dinesh Sins/!. said in New Delhi on fiIf-m<:« iI'm 'liftil'. ~ iI'm am;m:) it
~ ~~':'i ~ -";t~.r cit! ~'Ii;ar ~ t§~J'if; ~-ii'f!~~ t:w~ ~llf~
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j IE ~ ~ ,; ~ t: Ii; ~
:§~ it'!! ~ ~ ~~~W ltlft<9~'iT~ ti~~tl!!'itfr ~ttfr~ i.l~~
If\"'
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EE
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241 Withdrawal ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKAl Military Mission etc. 242
o/Indlan from Nepal (C. A.l

amr ;:rttit; ~ m ~ \'f)rr~ I it ~ ~ it ~ (f"{q; ~ ifi11f iii"{ ~ ~ (flf

~~ f.!i ;",\;Pfr~~~ OR: ~ ~ OR: ~~~f"'~~~1


f;;r;ffi ~ ~ it; ift", it IliT'liT mm
SHRI HEM BARUA (Mangaldai):
~ ~ ~, am: ~~~it;f.fir What is the harm in withdrawing him?
lfllT· ~ "(~ ~ ? <rnrT~it; mit ~ SHRI M. L. SONDHI : He is destroying
~ 'f\'f W ~ ~ ~ 11T ~If liroif the historic friendship between India and
Nepal. I had warned the hon. Minister during
~ \iJT~~lit~~~f.!ilfllT the last session ..... .
~m it~ ~.~,am:~(f)
~ ~ <m ~ f.t;ln- ? --rT~~:~~UjT
"m~iIi"{~oroili"{~ ~I
~.w.m ~:~~ ~ ifln"~
;norT aJR 1M. ~Tl'IRl, ~ it; m it '«IT MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: This is not
the way to interrupt.
~ ~Tlr ~~ ~ ~~f~~
~~ ;n;ft 1ft I ~~ ~ m it,,~ SHRI M. L. SONDHI: Then, what is
the way? Does he want Nepal also to go
~ ,""5' ~ ~~ ~ itit~ if'ffi" the same way as NEFA and LADAKH?
He travels round the world, but he is not
~ ~ ifi~orT ~ ~, fulIT ~~ ~ concerned about Nepal. We shall not allow
.~ ~ it U'rT prr ~ am: ""Iil:: this to happen. If a person is incompetent,
~ it; arrm: OR: arriT ~ ~ rn then this House has the sovereign right to
demand his recall.
'lit ~ ~ I ~~ aJ\'fTiIT it it aAit ~
it ~ f.I; ~qr.r ..rt ~ lfffi'ITIIT ~ f.!i MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : This inter-
~ fsrf~..rt l'IRit it IIilt ififo-rrf OfiiT ruption ·is absolutely uncalled for.
~ (flf ~;ft!l"~lflIl~~fifi~ SHRI M. L. SONDHI: Sir, you are your-
~ ~ ~1Jit ~ ~T ? ~ cTRnrr ~ self a scholar of foreign affairs and you
should know it yours~ f.
~~~tl
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : May 1 re-
~ itwrlJ'IiT,~~it
(fifi quest hon. Members now to observe some
~ f~ itqr.r it; IJT'f ~ ..rt ~ order? Otherwise, it would be very difficult
for hon. Members to listen to the reply of
~it;f\;rit~<mili"{~ ~I the hon. Minister.
SHRI M. L. SONDHI: He will write SHRI HEM BARUA: Sir, you made
his memoirs after his resignation. an appeal to us to observe some order. But
then the. hon. Member opposite is making
1Ift~ (~); <mIM~omi some unintelligent interrUptions and thereby
~ ? he is disturbing the proceedings of the
House ?

t
11ft fcfm ~ ; ~ ~ crgcr ~
f~ !flIT <m ~ ~ I .
11ft "0 ,"o~: aJTf~ ~ .rrrr ~
OR: IJ"it lIT ~, ~~ ml<6" l'IR f\'fllT ~
SHRl M. L. SONDHI : Our Ambassador lIT ~ IIT'IT t, 3lTtm: ~ f.i;IJ ~ OR:
is the biggest obstacle. He should be recalled.
He has proved a complete failure.
~ ? ;qt (fifi l'IRit 'liT IJlfT\'f t, it
;;nom ~. f.I; ~ ~ ~ If~rrr f.!i
..n- fcfm ~ : it ~ IJ1rl1ia'T f.!i ~ ;n;rT or ;n;rT ~ ~ I ~f.r.Of ~ ;ft;w
~ t f.I;;;r;r ~U ~ ~ f.i;lJT mq; ~ ~·If,;m.",)~it;rn
243 Witlulrawol ofllfdUm Military JULY 21, 1969 Papers Laid 244
Mission elc.from Nepal (C.A.)

['" ~o lITo ~] ~ ~'"~"t ~ mr-r


1950 <Ft ittmr ~
tR: ~ ~ I ~ ~1fT;r ~ffi' ~f~ ij; ~ if tm 1965 if "Ilror am:
~~;r~1 ifqr"l' ij; ~ if ittm:r if ~ if. ammr
ij; ~ if ~Q:t;rlik (arr 'IT m;ITt if
'" ~ fq : ~ ~ltpr~t I "Ift~...rn=gt1:lT~?

'" ~ ~ ~ (~) : aNt ~"t imr ~ f'fi st<rnr ij; ~ SIlJliI'


~. f1r.O.st ~ ~.f.I;1t ~~ om: 1l'lII't~"t~~ ~f~ ~~Tst.mf\'
st ~ ~ ~~~~~~ am:m~~if"llror~ lIil
~ ~ 1fR arr ;rnrr ~~ m;m ~~~~6T~~~~
~ it; mr-r
~ 'IT: ~ if ~mr st stqr.r ~ lIilf ~ ~
~ I it ;;rr;r;rr ~ ~ f~ ~ ;ITt if
"~GfIt;r. ~ t. ~ ~
m ;fi~ lIil~ ;ffi ~ lfI'~. it am:
1IJit~"t~I"
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~ ~) ~r crfurn1r f.rt;m ? .
an..- ~ ~ ittmr iii mrf ~~.
~ am: ~~it;~<Ft ~fcimfq:~~~lfiT
~ffi'.1I>'t orr ~ t I ~ an..-~
~ ~~T t.
if ~ if awn;;r;r rn
~ ~T IfiT( 1!WrT~ ~ t I ~ aJlf"t ~
~~t flI; ~ tt<lilt"to arrto lITo iIi~
~f.t ij; ~ "Ilror am:
st<rnr it; ~~ ~ ~ ttil' 'if"" <rr.Ir 'if1'~i:t ~ flI; 'I1:IT ~
(l' ~ QfT t
~ I it ~ ~ lfiT $lfTif ~ m\ 'I1:IT If& '3;rij; r.r1t 'IiW~

arR rn,r II ~. 1968 lIil ~ it!; ~'I\ 'I1:IT ~~"t ~ 00 tR: iI'IT ~
.It'Ii ~ amr.r IIJit m:'Ii am;f~ ~~ nrm ~l'f ~ rill' 1:IT;r(f1~;;rR~

~~I m~~~if~
;;rf.t it; m- a1l' ~T'IT fiI; ~ if ~ Ifl4r
~~<:m~1
mN~.~o;;rr~~~~
trif iI"am: ~ ~ 'lit ~"t WI' "I11Rr "1ft 12.29 hrs.
tPt iI" I tAi ~ ~~"t ~ 'tiN prr 'IT PAPERS LAID ON THB TABLB
f\imst ~ it; ~)tih) ~ ~ 'IT I ~ Report of Iadastrlal LleeasJqg
iffi'I""Ift~~it;~if If'@" ~zm Polley Inquiry Committee
"'f~~~t am:~~i:t QfT~ THB MINISTER OF INDUSTRIAL
t I aNt Ilitftim f~ ~ ~ ~ an1t ~ I DEVELOPMBNT, INTERNAL TRADB
m ~qr.r~ffi'~~prr'ITf~~
AND COMPANY AFFAIRS (SHRI F. A.
AHMED) : I beg to lay on the Table a copy
~. ~~~an1t,.~~"t of the Report of the Industrial Licensing
fulm ~ an1t ~. f~ ;ir;r ~ iii· 'PIT Policy Inquiry Committee. [Placed in Library.
S. No LT-1232/69.l
iIi1~'ffi'~~ t·.·.. Proclamation in Relat/oa to the
State of Bibar
MR. DBPUTY-SPEAKER: I may point
out that the question must. relate to the THE MINISTER OF HOME AFFAIRS
IUbject-mattcr of the main notice which (SHRf Y. B. CHAVAN): I beg to lay on the
relates only to military mission. Table:
(1) (i) A copy of the Proclamation dated
~ ~ ~vwn:it ~~~ the 4th July. 1969 issued by tbe
~ ~ 'l8"IT ~ ~ flI; ittmr if ~ Vice·President acting 8S President
245 Pape'6IAid ASADHA 30' 1891 (SAKAl" Papn'6IAid 246

under article 356 of the Constitution acting as President on the 9th June,
in relation to the state of Bihar 1969.
published in Notification No. G.S.
R. 1600 in Gazette of India dated (3) The Press Council (Amendment)
the 4th July. 1969, under article Ordinance, 1969 (No. 5 of 1969)
356 (3) of the Constitution. promulgated by the Vice-President
acting as President on the 30th June,
(ii) A copy of the Order dated the 4th 1969.
July, 1969, made by the Vice.Presi-
dent acting as President in pur- (4) The Gold (Control) Amendment
suance 'of su"-clause (i) of clause Ordinance, 1969 (No. 6 of 1969)
(c) of the above Proclamation, pub. Promulgated by the Vice-President
lished in Notification No. G.S.R. acting as President on the 3rd July,
1601 in Gazette of India dated the 1969.
4th July, 1969.
(5) The Banaras Hindu University
(Amendment) Ordiriance 1969 (No.7
(2) A copy of the Report of the Gover·
of 1969) promUlgated by the Vice-
nor of Bihar dated the 4th July, 1969 to the
President acting as President on the
President. [Plac~ in Libra,y. See No. LT-
17th July, 1969 .
. 1233/69.]

RosoI.tion Re. Ceatral Council for [Pla-"'d in Library. See No, LT-I235/69.l
Resaareh in Indian Medicine BANKING CoMPANIES (ACQUISITION &
and Ho_pathy TRANSFER OF UNDERTAKINGS)
ORDINANCE, 1969
THE MINISTER OF HEALTH AND
FAMILY PLANNING AND WORKS, SHRI RAGHU RAMAIAH: I beg to
HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT lay on the Table, under provisions of article
(SHRI K..K. SHAH): I beg to lay on the 123 (2) (a) of the Constitution, a copy of the
Table a copy of Government Resolution No. Banking Companies (Acquisition and Transfer
F. 1-3/68-AE dated the 22nd May, 1969 of Undertakings) Ordinance 1969 (No. 8 of
(Hindi and English versions) constituting in 1969) promulgated on the 19th July, 1969 by
autonomous Central Council for Research in the Vice-President acting as President.
Indian Medicine and Homoeopathy. [Placed [Placed hi Library. See No. LT-1236/69.]
in Lib,a,y. See No. LT-I234/69.]
Statement Re. Indian Railwayt
Ordlaances onder Provlsioos of (Amendment) Ordinanee, and
ArtIcles 123(2) (a) of tbe Government'. revised .,.,....enls
Coostltotloo OD Report of Railways
accidents Committee, 1962
THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR.
AFFAIRS. AND SHIPPING & TRANSPORT RAMSUBHAG SINGH): I beg to lay on the
(SHRI RAGIlU RAMAIAH): I beg to tay on Table:-
the Table a copy each of the following
Ordinances (Hindi and English versions), (1) Explanatory statemeni giving reasons
under provisions, of article 123 (2) (a) of the for immediate legislation by. the
Constitution :- Indian Railways (Amendment) Ordi-
nance, 1969, as required under rule
(I) The Indian Railways (Amendment) 71 (2) of the Rules of Procedure and
. Ordinance, 1969 (No.3 of 1969) pro- Conduct of Business in Lok Sabha.
mUlgated by the Vice-President acting [Placed in Library. $u No. LT-
as President on the 4th June, 1969. 1237/69.]

(2) The Central Sales Tax (Amendment (a) A copy of the revised comments of
Ordinance, 1969 (No. 4 of 1969) the Government on Item No. 20 (ii;
promulgated by tho Vi_President of the recommendation made in part
247 Papers Laid JULY 21, 1969 Papers Laid 248

of the Report of the Railway ment. published in Notification No.


Accidents Committee, .1962. [Placed G .S.R. 938 in Gazette of India
in Library. See No. LT-I238/69:] dated the 12th April, 1969, under
sub-section (4) of Section 17 of the
Resolution Re. Report of Second Coal Mines (Conservation and Safe-
Central Wage Board for ty) Act. 1952. [Placed In Librar)".
Cottoa Textile Industry See No. LT-82S/69.1

THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE (2) I beg to lay on the Table a copy of
MINISTRY OF LABOUR, EMPLOYMENT Notification No. G.S.R. 1201 publi-
AND REHABILITATION (SHRI BHAG- shed in Gazette of India dated the
WAT JHA AZAD): I beg to lay on the 24th May, 1969 under sub-section
Table a copy of Government Resolution No. (1) of section 28 of the Mines and
WB-8(l5)/68 dated the-17th May, 1969 on the Minerals (Regulation and Deve-
report of the Second Central Wage Board lopment) Act, 1957. [Placed in
for the Cotton Textile Inllustry [Placed in Library. See. No. LT-1241/69.1
Library. See No._ LT-I239/69.]
A_I Report of Permanent Indus
Notlftcations IIIIdcr EsHatial Commission, 1968-69
c-moditles Act; 1955
THE MINISTER OF IRRIGATION
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE AND POWER (DR.K.L_RAO): lbeg
MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM & CHEMI- to lay on the Table a copy of the Annual
CALS AND MINES AND METALS (SHRI Report of the Permanent Indus Com-
D. R. CHAVAN): I beg to lay on the mission for the year ended the 31st March,
Table:- 1969. [Placed in Library. See. No. LT-
1242/69.]
(1) A copy of the Kerosene (Fixation
of Ceiling Prices) Third Amendment Statement Re. market loan floated
Order, 1969, published in Notifica- by Govt. In July, 1969, PubHc Debt
tion No. G.S.R. 15S4 in Gazette of (Annuity Deposit Certificates)
India dated -the lst July, 1969 Amendment Rules. etc. etc.
under sub-section (6) of section 3
of the Essential Commodities Act. mE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE
1955. MINISTRY OF -FINANCE (SHRI P. C.
SEmi) : I beg to lay on the Table :-
(2) A copy of Notification No. S. O.
2185 published in Gazette of India (I) A statement - (Hindi and English
dated the 7th June. 1969 und~r sub- versions) indicating result of market loan
section (1) of !cction 12A of the floated by the Government of India in July,
Essential Commodities Act, 1955. 1969. - [Placed in Library. See No. LT-
[l'14ced in Llbrar)". See No. LT- 1243/69.]
1240/69.]
(2) A Copy of the Public Debt (Annuity
Coal Mlacs (Conservation and Deposit Certificates) Amendment Rules,
Safety) Amendment Rules, etc. 1969, puhlished in Notification No. G.S.R.
1310 (Eoglish version) and G.S.R. 1311
THE MINISTER OF STATE IN _THE (Hindi version) in Gazette of India. dated
MINISTRY OF PETROLEUM & CHEMI- the 7th June, 1969, under sub-section (3) of
CALS AND MINES AND METALS (SHRI section 28 of the Public Debt Act, 1944.
JAGANAm RAO) :-1 beg to relay on the [Placed in Library. See No. LT-1244!69.1.
Table-:
(3) A copy of the report on the working
(1) A copy of the Coal Mines of the Deposit Insurance Corporation,
(Conservation and Safety) Amend- _Bombay for the year 1968 -along with the
249 Papers Laid ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Paper. Laid

Audited Accounts, under sub-section (2) of (Hindi version) in Gazette of India


section 32 of the Deposit Insurance Corpora- dated the 31st May,1969.
tion Act, 1961. [Placed ill Library. See Do.
LT-I245/69.] (ii) The Costoms and Central Excise
Duties Export Drawback (General)
(4) A copy of the Insurance (Amendment) Eleventh Amendment Rules, 1969,
Rules, i969, published in Notification No: published in Notification No. G .S.R.
G.S.R.· 1275 in Gazette of India dated the 1319 (English venion) and G.S.R.
28th May, 1969; under sub-section (3) of 1320 (Hindi version) in Gazette of
section -114 of the Insurance Act, 1938. India dated the 31st May, 1969.
[Placed ill Library. See No. LT -1246!69.}
(iii) The Customs and Central Excise
(5) A copy of Notification No. S. O. Duties Export Drawback (General)
2447 published in Gazette of India dated the Twelfth Amendment Rules, 1969,
21st June, 1969, making certain ·amendment published in Notification No. G.S.R.
to the Tax Credit Certificate (Sbifting of 1321 (Englisb venion) and O.S.R, 1322
Industrial Undertakings) Scheme, 1967, (Hindi venion) in Gazette of India
under sub·section (4) of section 280 ZE of dated tbe 31st May, 1969.
the Income-tax Act, 1961. [Placed ill Libra-
ry. See No. LT-I247/69.] (iv) The Customs and Central Excise
Duties Export' Drawback (General)
(6) A copy.each of the following" Notifi- Thirteenth Amendment Rules, 1969,
cations under section 296 of the Income-tax published in Natification No, G.S.R.
Act, 1961 :- 1323 (English version) and G .S.R.
1324 (Hindi version) in Gazette of
(i) Tbe Income-tax (Third Amendment) India dated the 31st May, 1969.
Rules, 1969, published in Notification
No. S. O. 2000 in Gazette of India (v) The Customs and Central Excise
dated the 23rd May, 1969. Duties Export .Drawback (General)
Fourteentb Amendment Rules, 1969,
(ii) The draft Inl,Xlme-tax (Fourth Amend- published in Notification No. G.S.R.
ment) Rules, 1969 published in Noti- 1325 (English version) and G.S.R:
fication No. S. O. 2005 in Gazette of 1326 (Hindi' venion) in Gazette of
India dated the 24th May. 1969. India dated tbe 7th June, 1969.
[Placed in Library. See No. LT-
mS/69.] (vi) The Custorrs and Central Excise
Duties Export Drawback (General)
7. A Copy of the Central Sales Tax Fifteenth Amendment Rules, 1969,
(Registration and Turnover) Amendment published in Notification No. G,S.R.
Rules, 1969, published in Notification No. 1327 (English version) and G .S.R.
G.S.R. 1362 (English version) and G.S·R. 1328 (Hindi venion) in Gazette' of
1363 (Hindi version) in Gazette of India India dated the 7th June, 1969.
dated the 9th June, 1969, under sub-section
(21 of section 13 of the Central "Sales Tax (vii) The Customs and Central Excise
Act, 1956. [Placed ill Library. See No. LT-;- Duties Export Drawback (General)
1249/69.] Sixteenth Amendment Rules, 1969•
. published in Notification No. G.S.R.
(8) A coPY each of the following Notifi- 1329 (English venion) and G.S.R.
cations under section 159 of the Customs 1330 (Hindi venion) in Gazette of
Act, 1962 and section 38 of the Central India dated the 7th June, 1969.
Excises and Salt Act, 1944 :-
(viii) The CustOJlli and Central EKCise
(i) The Customs and Central Excise Duties Export Drawback (General)
Duties Export Drawback (General) Eighteenth Amendment Rules, 1969,
Tenth Amendment Rules, 1969, Pub- published in Notification No. G.S.R.
lished in Natification No. G.S.R.1317 1543 (English version) and G.S.R.
(Ena\ish version) and G.S.R. 131S 1544 (Hindi version) in Gazette of
251 Papers Laid JULY 21, 1969 Papers LaId 252

India dated the 28th June, 1969, 1969, published in Notification No.
toaether with an explanatory memo- G.S.R. 1572 (English version) and
randum. G.S.R. 1573 (Hindi version) in
Gazette of India dated the SIb July,
(ix) The Customs and Central Excise 1969.
Duties Exports Drawback (General)
Seventeenth Amendment Rules, (xvi) The Customs and Central Excise
1969, published in Notification No. Duties Export Drawback (General)
G.S.R. 1545 (English version) Twenty-fifth Amendment Rules, 1969,
and G.S.R. 1546 (Hindi version) published in Notification No. G.S.R.
in Gazette of India dated the 28th 1574 (English version) and G.S.R.
June, 1969. 1575 (Hindi \ersion) in Gazette of
India dated the Sth July, 1969.
(x) The Customs and Central Excise
Duties Export Drawback (General) (xvii) The Customs and Central Excise
Nineteenth Amendment Rules, Duties Export Drawback (Geocral)
1969, published in Notification No. Twenty-sixth Amendment Rules, 1969,
G.S.R. 1547 (English version) published in Notification No. G.S.R.
and G .S.R. 1.548 (Hindi 'version) 1576 (English version) and G.S.R.
in Gazette of India dated the 28th 1577 (Hindi \'ersion) in Gazette of
June, 1969. . India dated the 5th July, 1969.

(xi) G.S,R. 1549 publishedA in Gazette (xviii) The Customs and Central Exci.e
of India dated the 28th June, 1969 Duties Export Drav.back (Ger.eral)
containing corrigendum to G.S.R. Twenty-seventh Arr.endrnent Rules,
20 dated the 6th January. 1968. . 1969, published in Notification No.
G.S.R. 1578 (English version) and
(xii) The Customs and Cen!!"al Excise G.S.R. 1579 (Hindi version) in
Duties Export Drawback (General) Gazette of India dated the 5th July,
Twenty-first Amendment Rules, 1969.
1969, published in Notmeation No. [Placed III Library. See No. LT-12SO/69.]
G.S.R. 1566 (English version)
and G.S.R. 1567 (Hindi "ersion) (9) A copy each of the following Notifi-
in Gazette of India dated the 5th cation under sub-section (4) of section 19 of
July, 1969. .
the Medicinal and Toilet Preparations (Excise
Duties) Act, 19S5:-
(xiii) The Cust oms and Central Excise
Duties Export Drawback (General) (i) The Medicinal and Toilet Preparations
Twenty-second Amendment Rules, (Excise Duties) First Amendment
1969, published in Notification NO. Rules, 1969, published in Notification
G.S.R. 1568 (English version) and No. G.S.R. 1344 (English version) and
G.S.R•. 1569 (Hindi version) in G S.R. 1345 (Hindi version) in
Gazette of India dated the 5th Gazette of India dated the 7th June,
July, 1969. 1969. [Placed III Library. 'See No.
LT-I2S1/69.]
(xiv) The Customs and Central Excise
Duties Export Drawback (General) (ii) The Medicinal and Toilet Preparations
Twenty-third Amendment Rules, (Excise Duties) Secoed Amendment
1969, published in Notification No. Rules, 1969, publisbed in Notification
G.S.R. 1S70 (English version) and No. G.S.R. 1561 (English nTSion) tnd
G S.R. 1S7J (Hindi version) in G.S.R. 1-562 (Hindi \enion) in Gmtte
Gazette of India dated the Sth July, of India dated tbe 5th July, 1969..
1969.
(iii) Tbe Medicinal and Toilet Preparations
(xv) The Cusloms' and Central Excise (Excise Duties) Third Amendment
Dulies Export Drawback (General) .Rulcil, 1969, published in Notification
Twenty-fourth Amendment Rulea, No. G.S.R. 1563 (Enllilh wnion) and
2S3 Papers lAid ASADHA 30. 1891 (SAKA) Papers Laid

G.S.R. 1564 (Hindi version) in (xii) G.S.R. 1167 (Hindi version) pub-
Gazelle of India dated the 5th July. lished in Gazette of India dated the
1969. [Placed in Library. See No. 17th May, 1969.
LT-1252/69.]
(xiii) G.S.R. 1168 (English version), and
(10) A copy each of the following Notifi- G .S.R. 1170 (Hindrversion) published
cations under section 159 of the Customs in Gazette of India dated tbe 17th
Act; 1962:-- May, 1969 together with an explanatory
memorandum.
(i) G.S.R. 1019 (English version) and
G.S.R. 1021 (Hindi version) published (xiv) G.S.R. 1169 (ELglish version, iIIId
in Gazelle of India dated the 26th G.S.R. 1171 (Hindi version) publisbed
April. 1969. in Gazette of India dated the 17th
May, 1969 together with an expla-
(ii) The Specified Goods (Prevention of natory memorandum.
Illegal Export) Rules, 1969 (Hindi
version) published in Notification No. (xv) G.S.R. 1172 (Hindi version) published
G .S.R. 1157 in Gazelle ofIndia dated in Gazette of India dated the 17th
the 17th May. 1969. May. 1969.

(iii) G.S.R. 1158 (Hindi version) published (xvi) G.S.R. 1173 (Hindi version) publisbed
in Gazette of India dated 17th May, in Gazette of India dated the 17th
1969. May, 1969.

(iv) G.S.R. 1159 (Hindi version) published (xvii) G.S.R. 1178 (Hindi version) published
in GaZette of India dated the 17th in Gazette of India dated the 17th
May, 1969. May. 1969.

(v) G.S.R. 1160 (Hindi version) pub- (xviii) G. S. R. 1179 (Hindi version) publi-
lished in Gazette ofIndia dated the shed in Gazette of India dated the
17th May. 1969. 17th May, 1969.

(vi) The Notified Goods (Prevention of (xix) G.S.R. 1180 (Hindi version) published
Illegal Import) Rules, 1969 (Hindi in Gazette of India dated the 17th
version) published in Notification May, 1969.
No. G.S.R. 1161 in Gazette of
India dated the 17th May, 1969. (xx) G.S.R. 1195 (English version) and
G.S.R. 1196 (Hindi version) published
(vii) G.S.R. 1162 (Hindi version) pub- in Gazette of India dated the 13th
lished in Gazette of India dated the May, 1969 together with an explanatory
17th May, 1969. memorandum.

(ix) G.S.R. 1164 (Hindi version) pub- (xxi) The Passengers (Non-Tourist) Baggage
lished in Gazette of India dated the (Amendment) Rules. 1969, (Hindi
17th May, 1969. version) published in Notification No.
G.S.R. 1226 in Gazette of India dated
(x) The Specified Goods (Prevention of the 24th May. 1969.
IIIega] Export) Amendment Rules,
1969, (Hindi version) Published in
Notification No. G.S.R. 1165 in (xxii) G.S.R. 1227 (Hindi version) published
Gazette of India dated the 17th in Gazette of India dated the 24th
May, 1969. May. 1969.

(xi) G.S.R. 1166 (Hindi version) pub- (xxiii) G.S.R. 1228 (Hindi version) published
lished in Gazette of India dated the in Gazette of India dated the 24th
17th May 1969. May, 1969.
:255 Papers Laid JULY-21.1969 E. C. hport 256

(xxiv) G.S.R. 1331 (Eng1ish version) and May, 1969 tOFther with an explana-
. G.S.R. 1332 (Hindi version) published tory memorandum.
in Gazette of India dated the 31st
May. 1969. (iii) G.S.R. 1236 published in Gazette of
India dated the 22nd May, 1969 !oF-
(lIXV) G.S.R. 1333 (English version) and ther with an explanatory memorandum.
G.S.R. 1334 (Hindi version) published
in Gazette of India dated tbe 31st (iv) G.S.R. 1342 (English version) and
May. 1969. G.S.R. 1343 (Hindi version) published
in Gazette of lodia dated the 17th
(xxvi) G.S.R. 1337 (English version) and June, 1969 together with an explana-
G .S.R. 1338 (Hindi version) published tory memorandum.
in Gazette of India dated the 7th June.
1969 together with an explanatory (v) G .S.R. 1387 published in Gazette of
memorandum. India dated the 14th June, 1969 toge-
ther with an explanatory memorandum.
(lIXvii) G.S.R: 1339 published in Gazette of
India dated the 31st May. 1969 (vi) G.S.R. 1388 published in Gazette of
together with an explanatory memo- India dated the 14th June, 1969 to-
randum. gether with an explanatory memoran-
dum.
(xxviii) The Transfer of Residence Rules,
1969 published in Notification No. (vii) G.S.R. 1459 published in Gazette of
G.S.R. 1478 (English version) and India dated the 21st June, 1969.
G.S.R. 1479 (Hindi version) in
Gazette of India dated the 21st June, (viii) G.S.R. 1460 published in Gazette of
1969. India dated the 21st June, 1969 toge-
ther with an explanatory memoran-
(xxix) G.S.R. 1480 (English version) and dum.
. G.S.R. 1481 (Hindi version) published
in Gazette of India dated the 21th, (ix) G. S. R. 1482 published in Gazelle of
June•. 1969. India dated the 21st June, 1969.

(xxx) G.S.R. 1540 (Hindi version) published [Placed in L(brary. See No•.LT-12S4/69.]
in Gazette of India dated the 28th
June, 1969. 12-31 hrs.

(xxxi) G.S.R. 1580 (English version) and ESTIMATES COMMITIEE


G.S.R. 1581 (Hindi Version) published
in Gazette of India dated tile 5th July Seventy-nintb and Eighty -nintb Reports
1969.
SHRI THIRUMALA RAO (Kakinada):
[Placed in Library. See No LT-1253/69]
I present the following Reports of the
Estimates Committee:-
(II) A copy each of the foliawing Notifi-
cations issued under .the Central Excise (I) Seventy-ninth Report on action taken
Rules, 1944:- by Government on the recommendll-
tions c:Gntained in the Ninth Report
(i), G.S.R. 1067, 1068 and 1069 (Hindi of' Estimates Committee on the Mini-
version) published in Gazette of India stry of Industrial Development and'
dated the 3rd May, 1969 tOFther with Company Affairs (Department of indu-
an aplanatory memorandum. strial Development). Industrial Licen-
sing.

(ii) G.S.R. 1233 (English version) and (2) Eighty-ninth Report on action taken
G.S.R. 1234 (Hindi version) published by Government on the reCommenda-
in Gazette of India dated the 19th tions c:Gntained in !be thirtieth Report
257 RaUway Accldellts (St.) ASADHA 3D, 1891~(SAKA) /(Qilway Accidents (St.) 158

of Estimates Committee on the Mini- almost become a ritual. People are dying
stry of Financ:c--ForeillD Exchange. wbile the Minister comes here, makes a
statement and regrets. Repeatedly such
11-311 hn. accidents are happening. Therefore, y~u
must agree that this is a matter of urgent
STATEMENT ON RAILWAY ACCIDENTS importance and -we must have a discussion
on it. We bavo already given no lice of adjourn-
THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS (DR. ment motions. We knew tbat tbe Railway
RAM SUBHAG SINGH): It is with deep Minister would come forward witb a state-
regret... . ment. But this series of accidents tbat
ha~e happend are so frequent that the House
SEVERAL HON. MEMBERS rose- sbould have an 0Ppoitunity to discuss tbe
matter and censure Government. I do not
'" ~.~ (~.): vrltif 'Iillln: mIT, know wby you in your wisdom, as is done
~ ~hl1tr lin: m- ~ am: m arr<r ~ always, bave disallowed these adjournment
motions. Tbis'is rather unfortunate.
SI"R'.;r;m ~ t I
SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: On a point of
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Let them order. Tho hon. Minister is making a state-
listen to his statement first. This is not the
ment on a particular subject on which many
way to raise this matter. memhers have tabled adjournment motions
and also given notices calling attention~
"'~~:~~~'{I~l!;I­ Adjournment motions have been tabled .be-
~~"t~.1 cause today is tbe opening day of the session
after two mllior accidents have occurred
SHRI S.M. BANERJEE (Kanpur): I rise killing 90 persons in one and 130 in the
to a point of order. other, that is, over 220 persons.

'" ~ ~ : ~ monft ij- oiFr ~ The first was attributed to some sabo-
tage. The second involved a collision. Tbe
~~am:q-~~~~~I~m
matter is very serious and I would request
;:rm~~.~I~q-~~~ ~ that tbe adjournment motions be admitted
p IR~? ~ ft;ro;q- ~ ~ I for discussion.

SHRI VASUDEVAN NAIR (Pessmade): We want to ask the hon.Minister to re-


This is a serious' eDOlI8h matter. resign gracefully.
You will agree with us that these railway
accidents which took place are not ordinary SHRI RANGA (Srlkakulam): II is
accidents. Several members have tabled shocking tbat an adjournment motion on
iuljournment motions on this subject. We such an urgent matter of public importance
would ilke to know what bas bappend to bas not been accepted by you. I would
tbem. I am told tbat you have disallowed like to endorse tbe plea put forward by so
tbem. We want to argue with you and say many of our friends in favour of your kind
tbat it is really regrettable that you take a reconsideration of this particular mailer and
decision to disallow these motions ... giving an early opportunity for the House to
SHRI NATH PAl (Rajapur): very discuss this. May I suasest to my hon. friend
arbitrarily. in charge of these railway accidents that be
should be good enoll8b to set into immediate
SHRI VASUDEVAN NAIR: We would communication witb LlC and brinK forward
urge you to reconsider your decision and allow a Bill to introduce compulsory insurance for
these adjournment motions. We should have all railway passengers in this country ?
a discussioa on the acijourD!lJCDt motions.
We do not want the Minister to make a SHRI UMANATH (Pudukkottai): The
statement and set away with it like this. purpose of tbe discussion witb regard to
these accidents is to see whetber we can
SHRI SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY: exercise our inftuence and _ tbat they are
(Kendrapara): Such statements have stopped and people are saved. This fonn of
Railway Accidents (51.) JULY 21, 1969 Railway ACCidents (SI.)

• [Sbri Umanath] bon 'ble ministe.r has also expressed that he


discussion by means of calling attention and bas no objection it tbis matter could be
statements by the Minister has been going on discussed at some time, as you tbink fit.
for a long time, but more and more accident We alsO endorse tbat tbis matter can be
are taking place. We will not be satisfied discussed at any time, convenient to us, but
even if )'ou say that there will be a separate not on these adjournment motions.
discussinn on this on some motion because
we had in the past similar discussions and MR. " DEPUTY-SPEAKER: As Mr.
they had no effect. So, the oniy alternative Limaye snuested, let the statemeDt be circu-
is for you. to accept an adjournment to lated, and as tbere is a request from this side,
censure the Government and see whetHer supported by Shri Ranga also, after this circu-
anytbing happens. lation, I will consider in whit from tbe
discussion can taken place.
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I know
tbere were adjournment motions on tbe ~mr~: arm;) ~ ~ ~.
railway accidents. The demand has been ~~I
again voiced on the Boor of tbe House.

00IiI': ~ ~ ~ oWl' arm-


Let us bear the statement, and I will consi-
der... ~~
~I
SOME HON. MEMBERS: No, no.
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: we will
meet and discuss as to what, is the best
SHRI SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY:
If you bad not disallowed adjourn- WilY·
~t motions and kept them pending,
SHR) SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY:
after hearing the minister you should bave
You would keep our motions pending.
given a ruling wbether tbe adjournment
motions would be discussed or not. You'
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Tbat is what
have disallowed tbe adjournment motions.
I have already said. I am prepared to
What are we going to bear bim for? . We
reconsider them in the light. of these thing.

'0 0'" (
know what baa happened. I do not think
we should waste tbe time of tbe House.
1111 it ;mpi;;r ) : 0'fT6l!1If
~ ~ f~ (~): ~ ~,~~!fi~m~~
lt~, 3fTlJiI» '~ smrrq' 'I': ~ ~ .mr ~ flwanq-~~~~
m iI>)t ~ ~ 'IiVrT ~ 'IT I f ?
tt ~ rri ~"~~f.I;~~~it; SHRI P. VENKATASUBBIAH : 1':ou
~ if ~ ~'f;pf ~ f arm am: have yourself ,disallowed the adjournment
motions. Once you bave done in, can you
"if;)' ~ ...m~t~~if reconsider them? It is for you to consider.
arNiJil ~ ~ ~ 'IiVrT 'IT~ lIT I
itu ~ ~ t r...
~ anq- 1ffi'lTf<'Rl" MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I shall dis-
cuss tbe matter with tbem to see if they
~ i am:~ ~ ~ ~ \'Illr ~;pf should be discussed in tho form of acljourn-
smrTlf 'I': ~~ ~ arq;ft if;)'W~ ~ I ment motion or otherwise.
~ anft ~,I!it ~ ~or(I't I SHRI 1. M. BISWAS (Bankaura)
~~~~~I I am prepared to witbdraw mine if the Prime
Minister gives Dr. Ram Subbag Sinlh the
same treatment she accorded to Shri Morarji
SHRI P. VENKATASUBBAIAH (Nan-
Desai ... (Inl.rruptionl.)
dyan) : We are also equally concerned witb
this tragic event of railway accidents. We
are very unbappy at tbe manner in which ~amrfqm~(~):
these things have occured quite often.. The ~ ~, ~ ~ f1I; atT1f 5I1IA
261 RIlilwa), kcltklft. (St.) ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) RailwQ)' Accidelf" (St.) 262

~ ~ m
it;,$~~it;~if alongwitb tbe Chairman and Member, Bogi-.
neering, Railway Board went to the site of
~ ~ it; ~ ~f,it~arW;wrifiT
the accident and visited the injured persons
~ ~ ~~I~arm;T ~ in tbe hospitals.
~ 1ft" I
3. Ex-gratia payments to the next of
SHRI CHENGALRAYA NAIDU (Chit- kin of the dead and to those injured have
tor) : I am standiog up for the last fifteen been made.
minutes but. you are BOt looking at me.
4. The accident has been inquired into
,"0 , . Ifo .., : ~ ~, 'tln by the Additional Commissioner of Railway
~~Timn\'llia-t?~~it; ~ Safety, Calcutta. According to his provi-
'R ~ 31"AT .m
~ ~ ;r{f amAT
sional finding, the derailment was the result
of a deliherate act of sabotage of track. The
~ I ~~~;mR~ ~ '!iT1f dastardly act was committed by persons
;rrn ? . .(lllle"Uptions.) unknown who opened the joints and fute-
nings of a rail, 39 feet in length ·at Km 94/
DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH: I lay the 12-11 ·and displaced it from its former intact
position.
statement 00 the Table of the House.

S;atement. 5. The offenders, having apparently


planned to inflict the maximum damage upon
Sir, it is with deep regret that I rise to the train, chose to break ~he continuity of
make a statement on two serious accidents tbe track on the approach of a girder bridge
which took place recently. In the first where the embankment is 22 feet in height.
accident, train No. 6 Down A1lahabad-
Gorakhpur Express derailed at about 01.10
6. Discontinuity oC track, in day-light
hours on 21.6.1969 between Jakbanian and
or in the engine headlight ai night, is impos-
Dulahpur Stations on the Varanasi-Bhatni In.
sible of detection at high speed to avert an
metre ..ute S1jction of the Varanasi Division
accident. The speed of the Express Train
of the North Eastern Railway, at Km 94/
was well below the maximum of 75 KMPH
12-11 on the approach of Mall8i Bridge. As a
authorised on the section.
result, the train engi.DC capsized and fell on
tbe slope of tbe abutment, the first three
coaches derailed, Capsized· and fell on the 7. The second accident took place at
riftr bed and the IICltt four coaches i.e. 4th Jajpur-Keonjhar Road Stati~n on the
to 7th derailed. The last 3 coachencmained Kharagpur-Waltair section of the South
on tbe rails. As a result of this accident, Eastern Railway on 14.7.1969. On that day
63 persons were killed on the spot and 136 at abottt 21.40 hours train No. 513 UP
sustained injuries of wbom 46 were burt diesel goods collided with the rear of train
grievously. Subsequently, 3 persons died No. 398 UP Asansol-Puri .passenger, as a
on tbe way to the bospitals and 6 in the result of which the rearmost 2 coacbes of the
bospitals, bringiDJ tbe total number of deaths passenger train wore smashed. In this
to 72. accident, 69 persons were killed on the spot
and 132 sustained injuries, of whom 16
2. Immediately on -receipt of information succumbed to their injuries· bringing the
about tbe accident, medical relief trains from total number of deaths to 85.
Varanasi, Mall In. and GorakbpUr accom-
panied by doctors and olber medical staff 8. Immediately on receipt of infor-
were despatc~ to the site of the accident. mation of the accident, ambulance train
After the injured bad been attended to at the from Kharagpur and ambulance van. from
site, they wero admitted into hospitals at Khurda Road and Bhadrak were rushed to
Mall, Varanasi and Azamgarb. The Ge;neral the site. Before tbe arrival of the medical
Manager, Nortb Eastern Railway a10ngwitb relief train, 90 persons were treated by the
the Heads of Departments rll8hed to the site local doctors, out of whom 70 persons were
of tbe accident as soon as the information sent by road to Jajpur Town Civil Hospital
reprdiaa the accident was rami. (also, and 20 to Gangadi Healtb Unit. After the
263 Railway Accid~nts (St.) JUL Y 21, 1969 Naliona/isalion 0/ 264
Banks (St.)

[Shri Ram Subbag Singh) Mr. Madhu Limaye made certain remarks
arrival of the medical relief train, the remai- that it sould be circulated.
ning 22 injured persons were treated by
railway doctors and thereafter sent to Cuttack MR. DEPIJfV-SPEAKER: Regal"did&
Medical College Hospital. the adjournment motion, we had disallowed
it. Then I called the han. Minister to make
9. Tbe Minister or State for Railways a statelllent. 'There was'apln a plea fat
alongwith Member, Engineering, Railway reconsideration' of my ruling.
Board visited the site of the accident and
the injured in the hospitals. ' SHRI RANDHIR SINGH: Your ruling
cannot be Challenged.
10. The Additional Commissioner of
Railway Safety, who proceeded to the site of MR. DEPUTY-SJ>EAKER: It is in the
the accident with General Manager and fitness of things that we should see in what
Heads of the Departments of the South form it should be brought before the House.
Eastern Railway on 15.7.1969 is holding an We shall discuss it. I shall call Mr, NaidU
inquiry nito this accident. also at that time.

11. Ex-gratia payments to the next of SHRI J. M. BISWAS: I bave not


kin of the dead ,and to those injured have received a reply from the Prime Minister.
been made in some cases and are being Is she considering my suggestion ?
arranged in other cases.

12. Claims for compensation for death 12.44 FIrs.


and injuries in both these accident will be STATEMENT RE, NATIONALlSATION
enquired into and determined by Ad-hoc OF BANKS
Claims Commissioners who will be appointed
shortly in consultation with the State Govern-
ments concerned. 'IT am'r fqm ~T (~"U~):
~ 1I"it~ll", m~ iii ~ ar;r
SHRI SHEO NARAIN (Basti): If you
call some Members from that side, you must 5fCIT'I" ~ ;;iT 'liT ~''liT iii ~~ iii
call some from this side also. ~ if 1!;'Ii iffiIGlI" ~ ~ I ~ ~
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The question
m-ifil"lf q'ft if ~..qc.r OR: ~T' iii
was a limited one. Most of the Members "U~~ ~ ~ ~ 1!;'Ii srftr
from this side had submitted some adjourn- ~ ~ I if smr:'!rnT sn<Rr f~ '-IT iII'R
ment motions and they were disallowed.
They wanted to make a plea f(lr reconsi- ifif ~ for;lfr '-IT for; f;;r~ ~ ~ ~
deration and I gave them a hearing. ~ omr f.f;1rr tTll"T~,:a.r iii m if
AN HON. MEMBER: What is your Wo'I' 'liT fir;m: 'foUr 'liT ~ f1r.Iffi
ruling now? ;n~1!;1
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: They have ~ ~o 1i\o ~ (~)! iI¥
beenkept pcodinlli. We shall have a dis-
cussion and then decide the form in which il
t
tr.f; fiI;1n I
should be brought before the House. ~atnr~ ~: it~
SHRI CHENGALRAYA NAIDU: BUI
you have to hear the poinl of order first
before givins your ruling.
iIi~am: ~OR: ~~~II,~
~ ;r(\' ~ for; ~'liT ~ (1-41'14(01 ~
IJ<'Rf I ~ am: it ar.\1T-3f'iI1r ~ ~
'lff.
SHRI RANDHIR SINGH (Rohtak): ~~am:Q~~~t~
You directed that the Minister should make
a statement and within two minutes you
Fz iii ~ ~ ~, criI" :a.r flrtf&r of<
change your ruling. He made his statement. l'fr;r;ft<J" ~,11>1, iI'Iift..arr.it ;rnr ~ !liT
Nationallslllion 01 ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) BIIII'" (SI.) 266

JIl;Iir ~ I W~ ~ ~ i!iT mtfll;3J1R ml!\'\'~;r~~~,,,:


~ t'lm I!\'\' ~21 rn:'l1!r l!iT m
;rr ~ t, ~ 'f!1f~ ~ m,- ~ I!IT I ~ 'fR1ft1f~: ~~ ~ I
~~ml!iT~~frlm (~)
lfif ~ i!1l' ~f WliTfmr ~ ~f '"' I
~4iiI'ml!\'\'~~ ~~ o;mfurlft '11 am=r ~ ~: ar4t ~
~ nA-.~'il; ~~ ~ ~ ~ ;;n;r.rr ~ t I (~)
~ it ~.~~ ;;m:f ~ RllT I ~I!;l ~, ~ qy~ it ~
... SEVERAl- .HON. MEMBERS:. Shame,
m~ ffi ~ ;;r.r !J~ t am
shame. . 3J1R~~~w~it~rn

SI:IRI RANDHIR SINGH (Rohl1lk):


~ ¥~, m
~ l!iT ~~ iifl{R mr
Thlit was a revoiulionary slep, Sir......... . ;;rrit1lT I (~) ~~ ~, arrq'
(/nUrruplion) ~~I(~)
MR. . DEPUlY-SPEAKER: May I
~uest hon. Members to be calm? He is ~11Ii1I' ~ ~ (~):;fa
only raisins an' is&uc of propriety. Beyond
that, he Is not sllppascd to,SO into the merils
;;rrai't I (~)

of il. It is only the question of propriety


with regard 10 'the promulgation an MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: May I
prdinance. request hon. Members to resume their seats?
As I said, tbe bon. Member is perfectly
'~amr~~: ~I!;l within bis rights 10 raise the question of
propriety. Beyond that, he cannot go. Please
~, ~~ ~ 3fII1: mi!1l' resume your seats.
m;r.~~~, .. : .. (~R)
. SURI BAL RAJ MADHOK (South '11amf~~:~
belhi): Sir, I want to make one IhinK clear. t
~, ifu ~;r flI; lI& ~ <rTif i!iT .
Ifaiey do nol all(lw him 10 ,peak, we will
;r~lt I W ~ i!iTVar~m~lfif
am
\I,Ot allo.v- the Prime Minister to speak, Let
it be made very clear to them. . trrorr t
1'If~ ~ I ~!J ~ i!iT ~
~~'!1l'ltf~~tl lI&~
iff ;f\i!iT ;r~ t, ;;r;r ~~ ~ rn ~
SHRI CHINTAMANI PANIGRAHI
(Bhubanoswar):~ Sir, I want' to raise a point
..
o( order. ([nle'TflPlio'l)
. ~~a:rN<m:~~itffi ~ tl
arrq'~ ~flI;~f~~~~,
. MR.·DEPUlY-SPEAKER: Under the
Rulcs.of Proceduro and Conduct of .Business, o.fi ~, f;;r;r ;ji mer ~ ~ ~
aDd under (hQ Constitution,' he is within his
ri;bls to :qOestiOD .the propriety.of the promu-
~T ~ ~ it !JRIl'f i!iT ~ ~1lT, am
19atioo of an otdinance. That js all. ~ 'f~ SI"'fTif 1t'1If, ~ "'''I~(\,\I''' ~,
~;ft~it~~~!f;~ ~
SHRI . CHINTAMAm PANIGRAHI:
~ ~ mit~~93fTl!ITlit
Whit is the rUlo ?
'd!J ~~ i!iT ~ am ~ ~ !JI1A
MR. ... DEPUTY-SPEAKER:
pointing out the rule.
He is ~ ifiW ~ ~ I o..it If>T.r o..it am
~l!\'\'fm,~~it'd!J~~
>. 'li) '1I4!\'T: ,fqm ~: ~~ i!iT ~ am mr ~tlit'd!J'I1t~
,~~,~.~W·~i!iT~ q;(W~:
267 NOliOfllllisolion 01 JULY 21,1969 Barrkir(St .)

[P.fl' a{?;or fil~ ~] 'Ii(I' '4'r ~ ~ 'I'I/T'1(R lIrT'I' 0'Ii ~


Speaker Mavalankar, in his letter of July 'Ii'lft~PTf.I;mil>i'm~ \'It ~
17. 1954. to the Prime Minister. stated:
~), 401jt ~ ~mil>i'~1II'rt\'
"The issue of an ordinan~ is undemo- ~ <moft.~ am:
~ ~ ~ ~1fT
cratic and cannot be justified except in 'I'I/T~I
cases of extreme urgency o,r emergency."
at1I' it '!g;n' ~ ~ f.I; ffi ~
~ ~ iIT't it ~ lfITT lift' 1 lfITT
"He expressed that Lok Sabha carry a ~AiIf ~ ~ if '" 1 ~ ~ ~ aJ1i-
responsibility of laying down the tradition. ~~ifI!fi1 ~ m ",1 m
~ m '" tr) 'liti~ tJTif 'liT m '" I
It is not a question of present personnel
in the Government but a question of
prcc:edent and if this ordinance-issuing is ~ ~ '" tr) WiI'R .r.ft' 'liT m '" ...
not limited by convention only to
extreme and very urgent cases the result
MR. DEPUfY-SPEAKER: The hon.
may be that in future the Government Member . is going beyond the scope of the
may go on issuing ordinances giving discussion. He cannot question \be proprie-
Lok Sabha no option but to rubberstamp ty of II decision; I have permitted him emly
the ordinances. n
to question the propriety of \be promu"·
tion.
W 'liT ~ ;;it ttmf ~') it ~T ~
'liT ({'Ii aro '1ft ~ ~ ~ '1:~ 'i\T~<:rT SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAlPAYEE: I
am challenging the timing of the decisiem.
~I'l'm;;ltit 19~..rr~ ~ ~
1IiW ; ~ol ar.ftT t I W ~-~ it ~.
'Ii~ 'I'I/T~,~~it'lftlf(~
"We have issued in the past a very
limited number of ordinances and we tam: antr ~ ~it f'li ~ 'lilt ~
have always placed before Parliament the
reasons for having issued each one of
.tffi ~ lilJit f.I;qy ~ ~ I WiI'R t
them," ~Ti!>"t~~~m fiIi 'li1of m ~
"'? ~ 0'Ii ~~t.~~it
am: ~ WiI'R ~. 'I'!"t ~ 'lif.t ~ {{'Ii ~ ~ "'. qrif 'liT nz '" I
~~I ~ ttmf ;;It it snit <m 1IiW ~
il>i'cm'i~T~~~: ~qr ~. it arq;ft iITO ~

"fam myself unable to see why this


~T ~ ~ am:
~~~tf.l;
at1I' l~ ~ it; arf1rri 'liT ~ antr
should be considered undemocratic,
Of course. this powcr like any other IIi't ~ti ~n;:r 1f1't ~
power may be abused and Parliament at1I' antrii;~ittlmltit~o'li~40
will be the ultimate judge as to whether
the use of this power has been right or 1jt~~~~~ lfITT ~
wrong," ~~ t?
am ~ \il'I'lidif!rt'li 1 iRI' ~ t
~~l!il"~ii;~t? ~ R1I1f
~ il'w ~~ ~~'1:~~1 ~mlli't'Rim'IiTiTT'I'~
... (~) ...... ~ ~.~
~I
~ilTo~~1 ~ilTo~~ ~
'IiT<'I' it ijfiI' ~ ltit ~~ ~ ;r.r~T ~ MR DEPUTY·SPEAKER: I permitted
~~~f'lllIT~ ~ ~~ ~ him to raise only a q ueeticm of propriety.
269 NaI/onQJlsallon 01 ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Jlonks (St.) 270

But propriety does not rcIa\e to tbe wisdom


or otherwise of a decision; DO, not at all. I
t, ~'~ r.m ~ 'I1mr mr at •
have seen all the correspondence. There also ~ 0I'Pft imf ~ eft I' 3111" am:
"{l!I"
it is made very clear that in certain circum- am am f~«t ~ ~ W ~ t m
stances, wbere there is urgency or emergency.
an oxccption can be made. So, only the
it ~ ~ i!iIft flir.rrq; "Ill ~ I ~m;;ft
question of propriety can be raised ........ . ~~,~~arT'r~~~~
(lrrIerruptitnts) Do you want a debate on this? ;ijT~)~tm~"Ift"~~1
'SHRI ATAL BIHARI VAJPAYEE: In MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I am not
ICiI than 48 hours Parliament was to meet. givins any ruling on tbe point raised.

MR. DEPUfY-5PEAKER: The question


is whether there was urgency or not. SHRI ABDUL GHANI DAR (Gurgaoo):
Sir, on a point of order:
SHRI N. DANDEKER (Jamnapr): May
I lpeak on the same point? MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I am already
on one. After it is over, I will hear the
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: What I would other one. Please resume your seat.
sugest is tbis. Let the Prime Minister make
the statement •..•..(lnterruptlolU) Docs he want SHRI SURENDRANAm DWIVEDY
to speak op the same point ? (Kendra para): Am I to understand that the
Prime Minister caooot make a statement
SHRI N. DANDEKER: There are two unless a full disCussion on the point of order
aspects of tbis matter, ODe of which has been raised by Shri Vajpayee takes place.
arcatly ClIpounded by the bon. Member who
preceded them. MR. DEPUTY-5PEAKER: No. that is
not so.
SHRI J. M. BISWAS : Sir, under what SHRI ABDUL GHANI DAR: Sir, I am
rule have you permitted him to speak ? rising on a point of order.
(interruptions).

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I have gone MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I am alrcady


through !be correspondence carefully. Tbe on a point of order. Until I dispose of it he
power to promulaate an Ordinance is there
cannot raise another one. Let him RSUme
his seat. - ,
under the Constitution. But under tbe prac-
tice that we have followed they arc issued in
the inter-session period and not on the eve of SHRI ABDUL GHANI DAR: My point
tbe session. But, as' I pointed out, Shri of order is on the point of order raised by
Vajpayee wrote to me in the matter ..... . Shri Vajpayee.
(Interruptions). 1 am not givins any ruling.
At the same time, I will not allow any han. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: A point of
Member to' speak on tbe merits of the order is not permissible on another one.
Ordinance. Please resume your seat.

~ ~ ~ (~): iru ~ SHRI ABDUL GHANI DAR: I want


'In" ~ t f~ am mr'lfmr ~ arm ~ to raise a point of order on the point of
order of Shri Vajpayee.
t ? ~ ~ t: 377 ~ ~ ~ ~
;rrn;:r ~ I ~ it ~~ ~ ~ am: MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : I will not
am am: miT 1!'iT ~ ~ mam ~ ~ allow it. Let him resume his '5e8t.

1!;~ iIffiRf ~ ~ ~ 'R: ~ ~ I. ..... SHRI ABDUL GHANI DAR: Sir,


(~)···· .. ~tr~'R: ~~ want to raise it.
271 Nallonallsallon 01 JULY 21, 1969 Banks (St.) 272

MR.. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I have reques- STATEMENT RE-NATIONALISATION


ted him several times to resume his seat. OF BANKS (Contd.)
But he is not heeding to my advice. So,
nothing will go on record. MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The Prime
Minister to reply.
13.00 hrs..
SHRI ABDUL GHANI DAR: •• sHill PILOO MODY (Godhra): You
had called Mr. Dandeker.
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: When Shri
Vajpafee approached me about raising the SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA (Delhi
limited issue of propriety of issuing an Ordi- Sadar) : The Supreme Court has admitted
nanee just on the eve "of the session, I told . ihe writ· petition.
him that I have seen the' correspondence that
took place and there is an exception. I also SHRI N. DANDEKER: Am I not per-
pointed out that certain urgency is there. But mitted tn make a submission?
I said, I will allow him to raise it. Tbe only
proper course, if you are not satisfied, is tbat MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Not on tbi.
she may reply to tbe question ·of propriety. occasion.

SHRI N. DANDEKER: The issue of the SHRI PILOO MODY: Only members
Ordinance was wrqnJ. wbo make noise are beard.

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I have al- SHRI N. DANDEKER: The matter Is


ready made it clear that nobody can question sub-judice.
the issue of the Ordinance. The only limited
question is that of propriety. At this siage MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I have cal-
judgment regarding the Ordinance is out of led the Prime Minister.
order. On this I bave overruled Sbri Vaj-
payee and I overrule you also. I will not SHRI N. DANDEKER: It is in tbe
permit tha t question to be raised. Now Supreme Court. The Prime Minister cannot
let the Prime Minister reply. make a statement.

THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER MR. DUPUTY-SPEAKER: I am not


OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF concerned with the Supreme Court nOW.
PLANNING AND MINISTER OF Here we have the limited point of propriety.
FINANCE (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI) (Interruption,)
rose-
SHRI RANGA (Sriakulam): On the
SHRI SURENDRANATH DWIVEDY: question of propriety, what have you done?
It is lo'clock. Let us adjourn for lunch.
SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: It is
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : we adjourn the concern of the Court to say something
now to meet again at 2 o'clock. about this. She cannot make a statement,

IS.03 bn. SHRI PILOO MODY: The matter is


The Lok SoMa Adjourned lor Lnnch TIll sub-judice. (Inierruptions)
Fourteen olthe Clock
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: you have
The Lok SoMa re-assembled after Lunch
the other remedies. You can move a motion
01
two '!'inutes fUlst Fourteen 01 the Clock.
of disapproval. But on tbis occasslon I do
not want to widen tl1c scope of the poldt that
[MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER in the Chair) was raised.
--...:....------------------- . - - - . - . -.. ---~-
•• Not recorded.
273 NaJiOlflJ/i,atitm 0/ ASADHA 3D, 1891 (SAKA) Bank, (SI.) 274

SHRI RANGA : We are sure that that this point. I cannot widen the scope oft
must be your information also that the writ debate on this issue.
has been accepted. Somebody on behalf of the
Government is going to make a statement ~ m '"" ~ : irn tqT~ 0lT"fi
there. On behalf of the opposition also-
who are opposed to this Ordinance-some arm: ~ t f.t; ;;r;r ~ ~ ~ tm ...
statement would be made there. Thereafter ... (~) ......
the Court would be coming to its own deci-
sion. (11Il~rrUplion) In the meanwhile, con- SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU (Diamond
stituted as you are in the Chair, you have to lIarbour): Are you allowing me to speak
look at it from the Constitutional and legal after he has f!inished 1...... (1Illerruptions).
point of view. While the Supreme Court
is seized of the !IIatter and it is being discus- SHRI BHOGENDRA JHA: (JaiDBpr):
sed there, would it be proper for you first This is not the bankers' lobby. There should
of all, on the question of propriety also, and be some procedure which we all should fol·
later on for the Prime Minister also to make low.
a statement? Would that not unnecessarily
bring us into a conflict with them? While MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: How can
the Supreme Court is siezed of the matter, you shut out a member if he wants to raise
would it be right, would it be proper, for us a point of order'1
to discuss it in the House?
",\, ~ 'UII' (~'\'): ~ arT"f ~
SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: Sir, J ~ 0lT"fi an~ 'fI' oftf';;ro; I
want to raise a point of order.
( 0!f1NTif) ......
MR. DEPUTY.SPEAKER : Prof.. Ranga
has raised 'a relevant point, namely, about iii'\' ~'""~: irn ~ 0lT"fi
sub-judice, The question of ,ub-judice does
not arise a\ this stage. We have gone throulh
arm: lI'~ ~ f.t; ... (~) ..
it very throughly. A Committee was appoint- SHRI JYOTIRMOY BASU : Are you
ed and we have discussed this matter and we going to anow us to say what we want to
have made the rules also. Therefore, at say after he has finished ?
this stage, you cannot shut out the statement
by the Prime Minister now. I am calling her MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER: I am not
now ... ( IlIlerruplions). permittinB a debate on his point of order.
But I cannot shut him out when he says: "I
SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: I am have a specific point of order". To that
raisins a ~int of order. extent, I"wiJI listen to him.

MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER : Not at this


stage.
-nm '""~: irn~ 0lT"fi
an~~~fifi';;r;r~ ~~ tm
SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: How (I):O(fan~ i!il~mt~
can you stop me from raising a point of order? JIm' f1If.rm: i!il ~ ~ iii ~Jlf.I' an<rT
~ ~ anq; arm :aor;f ll'Tf;;ro; I i!)'fTam:~~~ ~~~I
MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: The Prime ~~~~f.J; ~ @' an... Urn
Minister is -about to make a statement ...... ~'R~m:ife~~ ~am:~
(/IIlerrupfions). - I have already liven my
ruling on sub-judice.
00'u ffi;i!e ~ 'fiT l'f~iJ' ~'fT ~fiff;ro;r
<lilt m anq; er~ I
SHRI N. DANDEKER: I would like to
speak on the question of
propriety. mro .mr lI'i! t fifi' ai't If11«U ~­

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: J will permit


~~ ~ ~ifi') ~ lfi!i' 'Rm~
the Hon. Member who writes to me to raise ~~~~~I
27S NGliOlllllisGtion 0/ JULY 21,1969 Banks (St.) 276

MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: There is no process of public control over tbe' principal


point of orde!'. 1 will call the Prime Minister institutions for the mobilisation of people's
now (lnt."uprlons). savings and canal!;ng them towards pro-
ductive purpnscy
SHRI PILOO MODY: Only members
who raise their voice are being heard here ... After the serious difficulties which we
(lnt."uptions). Every time I rise to speak, have had to encounter in recent years, our
Hon. Members are thumpin,:their. desks ...... economy '. is once again poised for fresh
grqwth and development. There has been
MR. DEPUTY·SPEAKER: Because of a notable breakthrough on the agricultural
your popularity, they are applauding you. front, tcchnololically and otherwise. The
The Prime Ministe!'. increase in our exports has been imprcasive.
There has been substanti1l1 progress in power
THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER. supply and the development of transport, as
OF ATOMIC ENERGY, MINISTER OF also the availability of trained manpower.
PLANNING AND MINISTER OF FINA-. . Our industrial base has been strengthened
NCB (SHRIMATl INDIRA GANDHI): and diversified. It is in this context that
Mr. Deputy Speaker Sir, an Ordinance was we launched the Fourth Plan earlier tbis
promulgated the day-before-yesterday, year with confidence and determination.
nationalising fourteen of tbe major commer-
_cial banks incorporated in India. With The question which has been engaging
your permission, I should like to share with our attention for some time is how best to
the House the considerations which weighed impart an .element of dynamism and new
with Government in taking this momentous vigour into the process of our development
decision and the spirit in which they propose so that the targets of the Fourth Plan, in
to implement it. the public and private sectors, CaDnot only
be fulfilled but if possible, exceeded. Our
Nearly fiftccn years ago, Parliament major concern has been to acccle!'aie the
approved that we should set before our- tempo of investment and production, so as
selves the goal of a socialist pattern of society. to improve living standards and increase
Since then, Go_nment have taken several employment opportunities, consistent with
measures towards the achievement of this our determination to achieve self·reliance.
goal. Public ownership and the control of It is necessary to mobilise the savings of the
the commanding heights of nationa I economy people to the largest possible extent; and to
and of its strategic sectors, are essential and utilise them for productive purposes in
important aspects of the new social orde!' accordance with our plans and priorities.
which we arc trying to build in the country. Government believe that public ownership of
We regard this as particularly necessary in a the major banks, for which there has been
poor country which seeks to achieve speedy widespread public support, will help in the
economic progress, consistent with social most effective mobilisation and deployment
justice, in a democratic political system--one of national resources, so that our objectives
which is frcc from the domination of a few, can be realised with a greater degree of
and in which opportunities are open to all. assurance. (SHRI PILoO MODY: why
not a\l? why only 14 ?)
/ Financial institutions are among the
most important levers tbat any society bas The O.-dinance prom!llgated by Govern-
at its command, for the achievement of its ment provides for the nationalisation of all
social and economic objectives. It is in scheduled banks, incorporated in India,
recognition of tbis fact tbat . we nationalised which had minimum deposits of not less than
life insurance business and the then Imperial Rs. SO crores at the end of June last. The
Bank of India ove!' a decade ago. Since fourteen banks in this category,. together
tben, we have also set up in the public with the State Bank of India and its subsi-
sector,- other institutions for the provhion diaries which already operate under public
of medium or long·term finance to industry ownership, account for more than 8S% of
and agriculture. The nationalisation of bank deposits in this country. The House
major banks is a significant step in this will appreciate that in view of the VeJ'y
211 Naliolllliisalian 01 ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) lkmks (SI_) 218

nature of the measure, and also to forestall will be one of the positive objectives of
any possibility of manipulations which may natinnalised banks tn actively foster the
not be in the public interest,- it was essential growth of new and progressive entreprencurs,
to make a swift and sudden move which and to create fresh opportunities for hitherto
could only be achieved through an ordinance. neltected and backward areas in different
The fact that speculation about Government's parts of the country. The banks will now
intentions had assumed an acute phase in be beller placed to serve the farmer and to
the last few days rendered it all' the more promote agricultural production and rural
necessary to act without any further loss of deveiopment generally. Public ownership
time, and in anticipation of the approval of will also help to curb the use of bank
Parliament, which will be sought through a credit for speculative anti other unprodllctive
Bill which Government propose to bring purpose. By severing tbe link between the
during the current session. major banks and the bigger industrial groups
which have so far controlled them, govern-
So far as foreign banks are concerned, ment believe that the step they have taken
they provide, by and large, business of a will also bring about the right atmosphere
speciaiised nature such as facilitating foreign for the development of adequate professional
trade and tourism. The operation of banks management in the banking field. Govern-
of ODe country in another, subject to the ment attach the utmost importance to
laws of the land, is mainly for such pur- modern managerial techniques and practices.
poses and is part of an international facility.
Our Indian banks also maintain their The moneys which depositors entrust to
branches in many countries. It has been the banks are in the nature of a sacred trust.
Government's general policy to conOne the The interests of the depositors of the banks
opening of new branches of foreign banks which have been nationalised, will not only
to major port towns, where their specialised continue to be fully safeguarded but will now
services are needed. Having regard to all" have the backiog of the State itself. I should
these factors, Government have decided to also make it clear that the emphasis on
exclude branches of foreign banks incorpora- priority areas, new entrepreneurs (SHRI
ted outside India from the purview of the PILOO MODY: for the benefit of Qmgress-
Ordinance. (SHRI PILO MODY: This is men, new entrepreneur and backwarlfPeople.)
discrimination against the natures.) and relativelv backward areas, will not be at
the expense of considerations of economic
As I stated the other day, this is Dot the viability. Only thus can we fulfil our obli-
beginning of a new era of nationalisation. gations to those who have entrusted their
W!latevec the pattern of the economy, savings to us for the ben.eOt of the commu-
, it is widely recognised that the nity. But economic viability can still
operations of the banking system should be admit of inuch greater resourcefulness in
informed (SHRI PILOO MODY.) who is lending to priority areas than has been the
going to inform it?) by a larger social purpose, case so far. The general public already has
and .should be subject to close public the experience of the State Bank to show
regulation. Government have come to the how public purpose and security, as well as
conclusion that the desired regulation and good return to depositors, can be combined.
rate of progress consistent with the urgency
of our problems could be secured only The Ordinance bas also provided for the
through nationalisation. adequate protection of the interests of em-
ployees of the bank~ concer.ned. They have
I should like to reiterate my assurance now become employees of a publicly ,owned
that even after nationalisation, the legitimate and socially responsible banking system. niis
credit needs of private industry and trade, also places' on them special responsibility
big or small, will be met. Indeed, it shall towards the community. The success of
be Our endeavour to ensure that the needs the programme of nationalisation will, in' a
ot productl ve sectors of the economy, and large nieasure, depend upon the efficiency,
in particular those of farmers, small-scale the devotion and the dedication with which
industrialists anei self-employed professional they perform their daily tasks, and. tbe
group are met in an increasing measure. It courtesy and consideration with which they
279 Nal#t1naluatlon 01 Banks (SI.) JULY 21, 1969 Resig1lll1#t1n 01 SII,i Mo,a,ji 2@O
. Desai as DPM (st.)
[Shrimatl Indira Gandhi] I should like to take this opportunity,
treat the constituents of the bank. I hope Sir, to appeal to .al\ sections of this House
that al\ individual employees of these banks to extend their valuable cooperation in the
and their associations will now help in the purposeful implementation of tbis important
successful implementation of the step which measure.
has been taken. (SHRI N. DANDEKER:
And go on strike.) SHRI KANWAR LAL GUPTA: rose-

The Ordinance provides for a scheme of SHRI PILOO MODY: I have some
fair compensation for the take-over in accor- questions.
dance with a formula which Parliament
approved recently. while enacting the Bank- MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: No, not at
Ing Laws (Amendment) Act, 1968. The tbis stage.
Ordinance provides that compensation will
be payable in the form of Government 14.25 hn.
lICCUl'ities.
VSTATEMENTS RE RESIGNATION OF
. In order to cauSe the least possible dis- THE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER
location in the working of the banks covered
by the Ordinance, and to avoid inconvenience SHRI MORARJI DESAI (Surat): Mr.
to the public, it is proposed, for the present, Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am grateful for the
tn retain the identity of each bank in the opportunity that you have given me to make
form of a new corporation. The Chief a statement on my resignation from the
Executive of each bank is now the custodian Council of Ministers.
of the unit concerned on behalf of the
Central Government, and will be subject to SHRI S. A. DANGE (Bombay central
its control and direction. The old Board of south): Is sucb a statement necessary? Why
Directors in each case stands dissolved, and should it be made? We know it.
the Ordinance vests the Government witb
the power to set up Advisory Boards in their MR. DEPUTY SPEAKER: It is per-
place. These are interim measures. Changes milletunder the rules.
in the structure of management may also be
necessary; these will be undertaken after the \hHRI MORARI DESAI: I consider it
most careful consideration. The Ordinance rather unfortunate that I should have to
provides for luch changes io be made. appear before tbis House to explain why I
resigned as it involves the question of re-
As in other matlers of policy, Govern- lationship between me and the Prime
ment have been guided in taking the present Minister.
decision entirely by. national interests, and
the needs and aspirations of our people. The .-Iicame to the ~ncIusion that I can no
establishment of a socialist society is one of longer serve in the present Council of
our declared anals, but we bave not been Ministers except at the cost of my self-respect
guided by any doctrinaire considerations. and except as a silent spectator to methods
Our sole concern bas been to accelerate that may endanger the basic principles of
development and thus make a significant democracy on which our parliamentary
impact on tbe problems of poverty and un- system is established. I came to this con·
employment, and to bring about progressive clusion because I was summarily relieved of
reduction of disparities between the rich and the Finance portfolio without even the ordi-
the poor teetions of our people, and between nary courtesy of a prior discussion on this
the relatively advanced and backward areas matter being snown to me by the Prime
of our country. Ministe':!

I realise that the test of the decision is Arter the Fourth General Election, the
in its efFective implementation. Government Congress Party chose its leader. She. then
are determined to take al\ possible step to asked me to join her Cabinet as Deputy
make this measure a success. Prime Minister and Finance Minister. Even
281 Resigna/}/m of ASADHA 30. 1891 (SAKA) Shri Mo,a,ji Desai 282
as DPM (sl.)
though I did not want to JOin the Cabinet. the letter and the noti6cation issued by the
I did so at her own request and on the press- President. I found that I was asked only for
ing advice of m~ny colleagues and fdends. the sake of form to continue as Deputy
It was again she herself who insisted 'hat I Prime Minister.
should take up the Finance portfolil> "even
though I did not want to do so.
It is well known that the resolution on
SHRI S. A. DANGE: You laid the economic policy adopted by the Alec at
precondilion for joining. n is a false state. Bansalore was moved by me at the instance
ment. of the Working Committee. I moved that
resolution without any reservation and I
made it abundantly clear when I moved it
~HRI MORARJI DESAI: During the and later When I replied to the debate on
period of over two years I have tried cons- this resolution. if I accept to do a thing.
cientiously to perform my duty as Finance I do it conscientiously and with all my
Minister and to pursue and implement the bear!. I believe this is known to everybody
policies that the party and the Cabinet for- including the Prime Minister. If. in spite
mulated from time to time. The Prime of this. the Prime Minister came to the
Minister has not pointed out to me a single conclusion that I may not implement the
instance where I have not done so. decisions. it only means that she had not
that c06dence in my sincerity of action.
I have never believed in saying one thing The reservations to which the Prime
and doing another. It is an accepted principle Minister has refer{ed may be due to the
of democracy that every man has a right to fact that in discussions preceding a decision
think and express his views freely and frankly in tbo Cabinet or in the Working Committee.
and that every decision must be arrived at I may have put the pros and cons of a
proposition forcefully and frankly because I
after full and frank discussion. It is this right
of full and frank discussion that is the basis have believed tbat it is the duty of every
of the duty cast on every democratic person person taking part in the process of arriving
to stand by the decision unequivocally and at decisions, to express his views before a
to implement it conscientiously. Holding decision is taken and not subsequent to it.
this belief as I do. I have always considered If these arguments are taken as reservations
it to be my duty to be bound by every and the person concerned is to be penalised
decision that has been democratically taken for them, it will only lead to a condition
and I have never accepted such decisions where people will not give their views fully
with any reservations. I would ask anyone and frankly. This will pose the greatest
to show if I bave ever shown any reservation danger to the very functioning of democracy.
in either defending a decision or implemen- If I were to accept tbis position, I would be
ting it once it was taken. Anyone who doing injustice to my faith in democracy
cares to look at my 39 years of public life. and would be failing in my duty.
in the organisation. "in the State lesislature
and Cabinet. in the Parliament and the I "may be permitted to reca11 that I have
Central Cabinet. will agree that this has been privileged to work as Chief Minister"
been my record. of Bombay State for quite some years and
in the Central Council of Ministers for
I was therefore greatly surprised and more than nine years. first under the leader-
pained when soon after my return from ship of the late Pandit lawahartal Nehru
Ban..lo.... " I received a ·Ietter from the and then under the present Prime Minister.
Prime Minister on the 16th instant informing During all these years I have left nothin.
me that as she believed that I had strong undone to see that the policies of the Party
reservations about some of the basic issues and the decisions of the Cabinet are carried
that arise and "that I had my own views out fully and effectively and also to defend
about the direction and pace of the change them in legislatures or outside even when
and that she did Dot want to put an unfair they pertained to matters for which otherS
burden on me in implementing these decisions were responsible. Even in spite of my
taken at Bangalore. sbe had decided to take cooperation with the Prime Minister through-
the Finance portfolio-herself. After I saw out the last" t wo years in the implementation
l!es;gnat;on 0/ JUL \' 21, 1969 Shr; Morar}; Desai 284
as DPM (Sl.)
[Shri Morarji Desai] clear and I am not worried by the attempts
without any reservation of all the decisions of tbose who try to mal ian me out of
that have been taken collectively or indivi- ignorance or prejudice.
dually, if the Prime Minister now shows
want of Confidence in me, it would be futile If I had agreed to remain in the Cabinet
for me to remain ni the Cabinet and expect to as Deputy Prime Minister even with the
make any useful contribution. addition of some duties which the Prime
Minister may be pleased to assian to. me
This was not the only reaSOD for my after the summary treatment meted out to
resignatson. I have been so summarily me, it would have been dishonourable for
relieved of the Finallce porfolio that I felt it me and it would have proved I was only
an act of dislrace and my self-respect was hankeriDI after office. I hope and trust
deeply hurt. When I had discussions with tbat the House will see the correctness of
the Prime Minister at her request on the my action.
18th, I requested her to put herself in my
position and to tell me what would have Finally, I would like, with your permi-
been her reaction. I told her that if she ssion, Sir, to place on the Table of the
·could realise that wronl was done to me, House tlte correspondence I have had witb
then it shOUld be rectified. She was not tbe Prime Minister in tbis behalf, so that
prepared to undo the wronl. I bad there- tbe House may have the facts on its record.
fore no alternative left but to resign in [Placed in Library. See No. LT-I230!69].
order to uphold mY'" self·respect.

Before I conclude I would like to refer


to the unfortunate fact that over the last MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: No questions
several months deliberate attempts have are perrnitted ... (lnlerrupt;ons.)
been made by several interested people to
create an impression that I was opposed to SHRIMATI TARKESHWARI SINHA
repid socio-economic. chanaes and J'adical (Barb) : Are tbey joining the Congress Gover-
measures to eradicate poverty and inequality nment and the Congress Party? I do not know
of human status in our great country. These who had extended them an invitation ...
people probably do not know that I come (Interruptions)
from a very poor family. I lrew up in
poverty. I know, as very few these people 'lft ~m: if ~if ~ ~<mr if~
know, what pangs of poverty are and bow
opportunities for growth and expression are
it ~m~~~1
~~~~larr'J~
denied to millions of our poor people. I W ~-~ ~T it aytf.t ififfiOll' it
have thererore always considered it my ~ ~ ~, U~Tlf It>!zf-sr1lJ'r.lT am:
duty to fight poverty everywhere and of
every Idnd and all forms of inequality and ;f~lt>!mr,~omit~u~T
vested interests which create that poverty l:T<mr ~~ fi!iif ~ I W w.r ;i't ~
which is not only economic· but also social ~~fq.;n{ m·1t>! ~, .m
·as well. I have from my younl age subs-
cribed to Gandbiji's dictum that every inte- m It>! ~ fi«:r;rr ~it (~)
rest which is in contlict w th the interest ~ ;;j'f ~T l:T<mr ~ ~~) ~'IiaT
of the down-trodden or tihe DARlDRA-
NARAYAN as Gandbiji used to call them, tfll; O'ifit ~ P ~('fT;fr omit~ m
should be checked and Govemment must If\' lI'i! fQ-kf ~T
~~ if ~ I ~;p.r fq;~
~t 3ft11: t mw ~ f;r;m: ~it 'liT
·1Ise its authority ·10 ensure that poverty and
inequality of status are eliminated. I
bowevor hold that these chanles cannot ~ ~ firor;n' ~ I ttit ~ om it
be achieved as if by maaic or in a very
short time. Success in this direction can
il1fZ~PlT ~ t I
only result from persistent and collective 'lft IInr ~ 1fIiIA1ft( ir\R~) :
efforts both throulh Government and
society. It has beCm my endeavour to do
ifit "I1T iftmr ~t I ~ -afT JSit ~
tbis throughout my life-. My conscience is ~ ;fr 1fIRI'~ ~ arfir.i+<r ~ ~ t I
28S Resiglllltion of ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKAl Shri Morarji Desai 286
as DPM (st.)
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER : You will The question was not simply of faithfully
Bet an opportunity if you follow the proce- implcmcoting agreed decisions. As is well
dure and approach properly. known, and as Shri Desai was good enough
10 indicate himself, he had his own de6nite
vieW$ in regard to the economic policies
SOME HON. MEMBERS rose-
which are in question. In the course of
frank debate on such vital issues, each one
SHRI NATH PAl (Rajapur) : If of them comes to be identi6ed in the public
you see rule 199, you will not waste the time mind with certain basic approaches and
of the House. The rule is clear. attitudes. The new orientation of policy
which we discussed at "ur party meeting in
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: I know. He Bangalore was based on a note which I had
has aiready written to me. ventured to place before it and which the
party was pleased to endorse not only marked
a significant phase in the implementation of
Now, the hon. Prime Minister.
our declared socialist objectives, but called
for vital new measures which have since been
THE PRIME MINISTER, MINISTER initiated. It was in this background that I
OF FINANCE, MINISTER OF ATOMIC felt, in utmost sincerity, that I should take
ENERGY AND MINISTER OF PLAN- upon myself the responsibility of the Finance
NING (SHRIMATI INDIRA GANDHI): Ministry which is intimately and directly
Mr. Deputy-Speaker, Sir,'it is with sincere involved with the process of implementa-
rearet diat I rise to make this statement. If tion.
I may also aiid, I thousht some sounds and
remarks which came from some Opposition
Members were in bad taste on this occasion. Thus, the only question was of a change
of the finance· portfolio. I know that Shri
Desai has always upheld the well-accepted
It has been my privilege to know S6ri conventions of lhe parliamentary system.
Morarji Desai for many years. Througbout when I decided upon the change of portfolio
this long period, our personal relations have I first wrote to Shri Desai explaining the
beeri of cordiality and understanding. During decision. Thereafter, I wrote to the President.
our association with Government for the The question of Shri Desai's dissociation
last two years and a half, I bave always from Government.was not in my mind. In
valued his advice and wise counsel and fa~t, I indicated in the very first letter to
have particularly appreciated the candour him that I looked forward to his continued
with which he has expressed himself on association as Deputy Prime Minister, and
every issue. We may not always have shared suggested to him that we discuss the detailed
the same views, assessment or approach, but arrangements. However, before we could
I have always sought his advice and frank meet for this purpose, Shri Desai wrote to
opinion, as I have done with my other me expressing his desire to resign.
colleagues in Government. I therefore deeply
rearet that he ·$hould even think of anyone· Mr Deputy-Speaker, it is not at all my
being "penalised" for his vieW$. intention to join issue with Shri Desai over
this unhappy episode. I should like to
In my replies to Sbri Desai's letters. assure Shri Desai and this hon. House that
·copies of wbich he has laid on the Table of his resignation has been a matter of deep
the House·, and also in the course of my regret to me. Shri Desai has been a stalwart
discussions with him, I have explained at of the generation which broUllht freedom to
some length the cin:umstaoces in which I this colintry. He has rendered long and
took the decision to take personal charge of distinguished public lCfVice since Indepen-
tbe finance portfolio. There haS never been dence. I have naturally the greatest respect
any question about his "loyalty" or sincerity and regard for him. I ShODld like to take
.of action; nor of his willingness to implement this opportunity to thank him once asain
a decision once it was taken." Shri Desai for his valuable advice and help in Govcrn-
is well known for his strong sense of ment, and also for his gracious assurance
discipline. that I may look forward to his continued
287 Bills Introduced JULY 21, 1969 Bill, Inrroduud 288

[Sbrimati Indira Gandbi]


~)~mr.196911i~
co-operation in tbe imtportant tasks before
us. '!rT ~ 'fiW ~ I arT'f;n~ fit; it mar-
IoTR '11 lITfif'lJ""i iii ljIDfiA; ~~ f.r@r
14.40 bra.
~ I it arT'f'fiT 6II1if ~r;r i!lt ~
ENLARGEMENT OF THE APPELLATE
(CRIMINAL) JURISDICTION OF THE f\m; iJit If-{t 53 arh: 54 'fiT an~ mrm
SUPREME-COURT BILL ~'I 'Q.~53lt~~t:
ExtrnsioD of Time for Presentation of "Regulation and development of oil
[Report of Select Committee fields and mioeral oil resources; petro-
leum and petroleum products; otber
SHRI SHRi CHAND GOYAL (Chandi- liquids and substances declared by
garb); Sir, I beg to move: Parliament by law to be dangerous Iy
-
"That tbis House do extend the time
inftamable."

appointed for tbe presentation of the.


Report of tbe Select Committee on tbe
Bill to enlarge tbe appellate jurisdiction "Regulation oC mines and mineral deve-
of tbe Supreme Court in regard to lopment to tbe extent to which sucb
criminal matters upto tbe first day of regulation and development under the
next session." control of the Union is declared by
Parliament by law to be expedient in
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKEll: The question the public interest."
is:

"That tbis House do extend tbe time ~ 00 ~ '11 wnfiA; ~ am«'!'


appointed for the presentation of the
$~ am: m~'lJ" '11: ~l£ Q""{Ilin. '!rT
~ t am: ~ f~ am: fifiI;r~ '!iT
Report of the Select Committee on tbe
Bill to enlarge the appellate jurisdiction
of tbe Supreme Court in regard to ~Tlft~T'I1am:t I ~fiI;;f~
criminal matters upto tbe first day of
the next session,"
arT'f ~ ~. it am«'!' $~ am: ~
Tire motion was adopted ar.r lft ~ ~~ '11 ~ ~ I ~ ft1mr
~l't ~f!{tfT;r ~ ~Hl;;r it Rlr ;rit Q"m\il"
14.41 brs.
~ ~ \Wf ~ mnn
t. f\;mfl arT\iI"
OIL-FIELDS (REGULATION AND srcwr ~ it ;i't~ t I W~ it ~-
DEVELOPMENT) AMENDMENT BILL.· ~ ~ ~;:rT ~ fit; ~ ~ ~
THE MINISTER OF PETROLEUM & ~ iii ~ ~ 3!mT ~ 1jOlf;f!f; ;:r(l'
CHEMICALS AND MINES & METALS· t. ~ ~ um forr mem ~ ~ it t
(DR. TRIGUNA SEN): Sir, I bel to move for am: ~ it ~ f~ f~ 1ft' lITiif<'I1f t I
leave to introduce a BiU further to amend the
Oil-fields (Regulation and Development) Act. it ~ ~ f'fi ~~ ~ 'fiT
1948, '1m it it arh: am«'!' ~am: m~'fiT
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: Shri Sbiv ~rn~~~ fim"fi <'flit I
Chandra Jba bas written to me that be wants ~ ~it 'R: (t.~. f1r;m;t aiR: m
to opposc tbe introduction of tbis Bill.
m'f-Q"N a.r
'!rT Q"iJ:T ~ it ~ am:
..n fn;r.r \liT (~T) : ~ fC('fil~~m.~i!lt aN~ if ~
~. it ~ arTl£<'r$'n;~ (~qi' tittr~ &Tm am: ~.Jti~ iii ~
• Publisbed in Gazetle of India Extraordinary, Part 11, section 2, dated 21-7-69.
ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Bills Introduced 290

~'lRf~1 Bill is passed ... (lnterruplfon). Sir, I want


your undivided attention.
~~ij;~it~~ij;
~~ m fm;rn'T ~ I The question is that this particular Bill
has been brought forward after repeated
objections by tbe C. P. I .• S. S. P. and other
DR. TRIGUNA SEN: Sir, in the State- parties also. They have relentlesly opposed
ment of Objects and Reasons wchave IDCD- this provision on the ground that if this
tioned that it is only to cover a limited Government cannot give a need-based mini-
scope. The rate of royalty was decided upon mum wage to their emplaycci or to increase
by the award of the late Prime Minister in their wages. how can the Members of Parlia-
1962. Later on the Prime Minister pvc the ment who' arc the representatives of the
award the other day to enhance the rate of poor people raise their salaries or their
royal tY with retrospective cft"ect. So unless allowance (rom Rs. 31 to Rs. 51 .per day 1
this is amended we c:anaot pay this with Our moral objection is that tbis particular
retrospective effect. Therefore, this Bill has provision is at the cost of the country. I
SOt a very restricted scope. would request the hon. Prime Minister who
is tbe Finance Minister also to explain to
Mr. DEPUTY-SPEAKER: The question tbe House the urJCDt need of raising the
is:
allowance of the Members of Parliament.
"That leave be granted to intrnduce a When the amount was raised from Rs. 21 to
Bill further to amend' the Oil-fields Rs. 31 per day. then also' there was an
(Regulation and Development) Act. objection raised by us. At this hour. when
1948." a decision bas been taken by the Cabinet
1'h4 morion was adOpled. that no wage increase should be there for
the Government employees, I would request
Dr. TRIG UNA SEN; Sir, I introduce the Minister of Parliamentary Main to
the BiD. . withdraw the Bill.

14.47 brs.

SALARIES AND ALLOWANCES OF [SHRI GADILn~GANA GOWD In the


MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT (AMEND- Chair]
MENT) BILL'"
SHRI VIKRAM CHAND MAHAJAN
THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMEN. (Cbamba) : On a point of order, Sir. Before
TARY AFFAIRS, AND SHIPPING .&. a Member opposes the BDl. he should make
a stateinent in the House that if the Bill is
TRANSPORT (SHRI RAGHU RAMAIAH):
passed, he will not receive the enhanced
Sir, I beg to move for leave to introduce a Bill allowance.
further to amend the Salaries and Allowances
of Members of Parliament Act, 1954,' SHRI RABI RAY (Puri): Quite irrele-
vant.
MR. DEPUTY-SPEAK.ER: Shri 'Shri
Chand Goyal, Shri BanCljee and Shri SHRI S. M. BANERJEE: I appreciate
Feroaades have written to me that they want the sense of humour wbich is very crude.
to oppose the introduction of this BiD. At
the intrOduction stage they call only make a The question at Pl'MCDt is. when we arc
very brief submission. nationalisil1l the banks for resources, when
we are trying to implement various plans and
SHIll S. M. BANERJEE (Kanpur): Sir. specially, when 21 lakh Central Government
I wish to oppose this Bill, the Salaries and employees and an equal number of State
Allowances of Members' of Parliament Government employees have been asked to
(Amendment) Bill. Sir, if this particular lighten their belts' and not to ask for any
.-----.---------
• Published in Gaettc or India Extraordinary, Part II. section 2, dated 21-7-69.
291 Bills Introduced 292
JUL:Y 21, 1969 Bills Introduced

[Shri S.M. Banerjee]


if;T;;q'If~~~~omif"itm·~
wage increase, and when movements after
movements have been completely crushed by 'titf~~<mrTtarh:!fi'tm ~
bullets by the same Government saying that ~ if~;m-ar ~m ~m t fif; ~
they have no money pay, at this. hour, can arrflq<f; f~fcr ~ 'tit ~ omr ;tt smrr ~
the Members of Parliament who are the
representatives of the poor people raise ~I~mur~~it ~ ~
their salaries or allowance from Rs. 31 to ~~'fTfiI;~~'tit 100 ~o
Rs. 51 per day? With a1l the concessions
mentioned in the Bill, the increase will be ~ f\iffiilT "1ft q ~ ~ ~ f<;r~fW
to the tune of Rs. 1000 per month. A1I the ;;mrl it~'fiI;f~~~~1
Members of this House, whether belonging
to this side or to that side should realise
'Ii1t'l'Tfuil 'tit m~ m;q' ~ ~ ~
that it is at the cost of the other people. I Ilm if ~f.r~ ~~ ~'Ii Q'~ ~ 'tit
am really sorry that after hearing the specch ~~mm~)~~'fTI
of the Prime Minister, they stUI want their
salaries to be increased at the cost of tbe ~T~~~;tttl'!i1l'~
people. I only plead and request you, Sir, it Glffiffl~ ~ ~ ~ iI1f~ 'tit ~
'!i1I'
to kindly ask the Minister of Parliamentary
Affairs to Withdraw the Bill. ~~'fiI;;;r;r ~ ~T"fi"{ ;tt
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293 Bills Introt!u~ed ASADHA 30. 1891 (SAKA) Bills Introduced 294

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f.r;lfT\j('f~t~~'IiT ~~ MR. CHAIRMAN: I want to hear. your
>iITift t I
point of order. 1 do· not want to hear all
rnT ~ ~ if ~ ~ if these.
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MR. CHAIRMAN: In the name of point
~tlliT'(1ll'~m<:,.;y~qR
of order. I do Dot want to hear all these .... ·.
;r;r''I>T1f ~ ~ m~1 ~'J:'ATt (Interruptions).
29S Bills Introduced JULY 21.1969 Bills Introduced·

~) "1 ~ : ~ 0IT'f ~ wr ... SHRI RANDHIR SINGH: You can give


your own ruling. Why should the Chsir be
(~) ... arr<1"~ ~T 'til ~ denigrated? My hon. friends can vote against
<'ftf~ ... (~) ... irtT;mr ~ il"l}"( ~ the Bill if they want.
~~mf?" SHRi UMANATH (Pudukkotteio) : 00
MR. CHAIRMAN : Under which rule a point of order. I object to the introduc-
you are raising it ? tion of this Bill because it contains provWoDS
which are violative of a certain mandate given
by this very House on this questioo ........ .
Ill) m ~ : ~ arT'f lff t'Trf~ I
AN HON. MEMBER: When?
'" "1 ~ : ar'l"<: 0IT'f ~ ~
~mf~)arr<1"~ilrm~!fi1"T SIJRI UMANATH : That is my point of
order. This Bill contains provisions for
if ~~ <'I1TT oftf~ ... (~) ... ~tz incrensing the salary .........
3TT'Ii~~~~?
MR. CHAIRMAN: I am not going to
MR. CHAIRMAN: If you want to raise allow anybody now ......
other issues, you have to give notice.
SHRI MADHU LIMA YE : Who are
SHRI RANDHIR SINGH (Rohtak): you?
That must be expunged.

MR. CHAIRMAN: Under which rule Sf/RI UMANATH : If you are not going
you are raising it ? to allow ODr point of order, we are not going
to allow you also ......
~) "1 ~ : 376 it ~ I ~ Of"( ~
SHRI MADHU LIMA YE : Who are you
~ Of"( ~ ~~~ ••. (~) ••• You are not the Speaker.
~ <mIT t'T~ 3f'I"( arr<1" ~ ~
SHRI C. C. DESAI (Sabar Kantha)
~f···(~).·· He is the Speaker for all purposes. He is
the Chairman, and he has the powers of the
SHRI RANDHIR SINGH : On a point
Speaker.
of order, Sir. He has said something against
the Chair. That should be expunged or he SHRI UMANATH : If you are not
must withdraw it. going to allow us in this arbitrary manner,
. we are not going to allow you also.
J5 hrs.

'" "1 f~ : it ~ ~r <rfIflT if 3flFIr I have said that this Bill is violative of
the mandate given by this Bill. Government.
;mr ~ 'f;"( ~ ~ I 3fOli&PT~~ if ~ cannot bring forward a Bill which i, violative
m if ~ ~ ~~f'fi"\iJl~~ of the mandate of the House. I shall tell you
what this mandate has been.
_ ~,~1 'liT f.r.:r ..". ~ if 'FfIff-
f.i«r f.rn ;;rrtflTT I arr<1" m ~ f. ,"1T~:arr<1".~ aq ~ ~
~~~~ifar~~ 'fiT ~ ';ft'TTml
an- 'f'iT ~ ... (~) ... ~'fi""( ..". ~ MR. CHAIRMAN : I am not allowing.
~~~ Of"( ~ lfilWf ~ an- ~.
~~~~~'til~~;;rnrr SHRI MADHU LIMA YE: Who are
you?
~ I wf~ lI& f.r.:r 1I&T Of"( ~ ~
~ ~ ~. lifil" ~ ~ 'liT f.rui"If ~ MR. CHAIRMAN: Let· him not talk
like that. I am the chairman. He should
Of"( ~'I liN ~'Ii't. ~ I ~ i:m ...,.~ withdraw those words. 1 am the chairman
arT'Ii arm: ~ I here.
%97 Bills llllroduMl ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKAl Bills Introduced 298

SURI UMANATH : We should DOt so, we have been following the procedure'
allow you if you are not going to allow us. that such of those Members as have given
notice should be allowed to speak. Other·
wise, I shall have to call everyone of the
MR. CHAIRMAN : I am the Chairman five hundred odd Members, and if I do that,
here. The hon. Member should resume his
then the whole day will be utilised for that
seat.
purppose. So, I am adhering to the rules and
SHRI MADHU LIMA YE : On a point regulations and I am not allowing anybody
of order, how can you refuse to listen to us ? who has not given notice to me. Therefore
I am going according to the rules. I should not be misunderstood if I do not
call every Member who rises.
SHRI UMANATH : I am on a point of '
order ..... . SURI UMANATH : we are not making
speeches. I am anly raising a Point of
SURI CHENGALRAYA NAIDU of order.
(Olttoor): Under what rule is he raising
the point of order ? SHRI MADHU L1MAYE : No Bill can
be introduced against the ruling of the
SHRI. MADHU LIMAYE : He is not speaker.
the speaker ....•.
MR. CHAIRMAN : What is the point of
MR. CHAIRMAN: I aID the Speaker 'order of Shri Umanath 1
as long as I am in the Chair.
SHRI UMANATH : I shall confine
SHRI RAINDHIR SINGH: He must myself to the point of order.
apologise to the Chair. He must apologise.
The Chair cannot be addressed by saying SHRI RANDHYR SINGH: What about
'Who are you l' That is ¥ery bad. He must the derogatory remarks ?
apologise. I shall not resume my seat until he
apologises. SHRY UMANATH: My' point is that
this Bill is violative of the mandate of this
AN HON. MEMBER: Who are you? House. It is on 'that point that I am
making my submissions.
lIftamrfqm~: (~)
SI;lRI RANDHIR SINGH: First, he
~~,8fT'I"W ~ ~ ~
must withdraw those remarks.
tiTo <n: f~~, ~ antI"n ~
MR. CHAIRMAN : Let Shri ,Randhir
lfiV!T ~ ~, ~ ~ lfiro ~r :;rr~
am: tt ~m ~ f.!; w ~tm
Singh resume his seat now.

~ <IT 1ft ~ mlR:


4or~, ~ SHRI RANDIDR SINGH: I cannot
bear any insult to the Kisan Chairman. He
~ 'IiW I ~ iro f.m;r
f.!; 8fT'I"
should not be insulted. I shall not allow to
W f~ IR: ~ OFT ~ 'l>T ~ ~ him to speak until he apolog~.
;pfTfOF ~ ~ ~<{~T ~ ~ ~ I
SHRI UMANATH: Let us keep on
~ ml!f'lT ~ 'I>'\" dtl"~4"'dl ~~, standing. I am not bothered. Even if it
~ ~T-'Cj'f1; ~ ;fr.r;rr ~ ~ <it dtT'f be seven 0' clock, let us keep on standing
together ..... .
mT ~ ~lf;;rll: ~ 11ft lIT'f;:rr ~ I
SHRI RANDHIR SINGH: Those
MR. CHAIRMAN: I have not said that remarks should be expunged.
shall not hear anybody. But I have to
follow cerlain rules. I have not said what SURI UMANATH: I am not makilll a
the hon. Member has said. But I have to speech. I am only raising a point of order.
observe certain rules and regulations here. This BiD has been brought forward on the
Supposing everyone of the five hundred odd basis of certain recommendatibns of a
Members want to speak, how is it possible 1 committee which was set up in pursuance of
299 - BI/Is I"trodured JULy 21, 1969 BI/Is IntroducM 300

IShri Umanath] ttee in writing that the committee bad the


a resolution of this House. At the time of rillht to go only into question of facilities
the passing of that resolution, it contained and not into the question of salaries,
reference to many matters including increase
in salary. A specific question was asked of We find that the committee has violated
the Speaker whether that resolution referred the rulinll of the Speaker liven subsequen-
to facilities or salaries. The hon. t1y. So, this Bill is based on a position
Speaker is on record that it is only limited whichil violative of the Speaker's ruling as
to facilities and not to salaries. But now well as the mandate ·of this HoUle. That
this Bill contains provisions with regard to is why I object to the introduction of
salaries. the Bill.

In the committee, some Member raised MR. CHAIRMAN: I was also in that
the question of salary revision. Again, the committee, and I know that this point was
question came up whether the committee had discussed in the committee, and it came to
a right to go into the salary revision. It a decision that it was a joint committee
was again referred by the committee to the coniisting of Members from both Lok Sabha
Speaker to ascertain whether the committee and Rajya Sabha and, therefore, the Spea-
had that right. ker's ruling would not come in the way of
their lugestions.
MR. CHAIRMAN: what is the point
of order? The question is:
SHRI UMANATH: The point of order "That leave be granted to introduce a
is that it is violative of the mandate of the Bill further to amend the Salaries and
House. The question was referred to the Allowances of Members of Parliament
Speaker whether the committee had got any Act, 19S4".
right to go into the question of salaries.
The Speaker gave his ruling to ihe commi- The Lok Sabha dMded:

DinsloD No.1] AYFS [15.13 hu.

Acha\ Singh, Shri Buta Sinllh, Shri Gajraj Sinsh Rao, Shri
Agadi, Shri S. A. Ch8nda, Shri Ani! K. Gandhi, Shrimati Indira
Ahirwar, Shri Nathu Ram Chanda, Shrimati Iyotsna Ganesh, Sbri K. R.
Ahmed, Shri.F. A. Chandrika Prasad, Shri Ganga Devi, Shrimati
Ahmed, Shri I. Chaturvedi, Shri R. L. Gautam, Shri C. D.
Amat:Shri D. Chavan, Shri D. R. Ghosh, Shri Bimalkanti
Amin, Shri R. K. Choudhary, Shri Valmiki Ghosh, Shri P. K.
Amin, Shri Ramchandra J. Choudhury, Shri I. K. Ghosh, Shri Parimal
Asghar HusaiD, Shri Dalbir Singh, Shri Girja Kumari, Shrimati
Azad, Shri Bhallwat Iha Damani, Shri S. R. Gudadinni, Shri B. K.
Bajpai, Shri Vidya Dhar Dar, Shri Abdul Ghani Gupta, Shri Ram Kishan
Barua, Shri R. Dasappa, Shri Tulsidas Hazarika, Shri J. N.
Baswant, Shri Dass, Shri C. Hem Raj, Shri
Besra, Shri S. C. Deoshare, Shri N. R. Iqbal Sinsh, Shri
Bhagat, Shri B. R. Desbmukb, Shri B. D. Iadhav, Shri Tulshidas
Bhagavati, Shri Desbmukh, Shri K. G. Iadhav, Shri V. N.
Bhandare, Shri R. D. Desbmukb, Shri Sbivajirao S. iamna Lal, Shri
Bhanu Prakash Sinllh, Shri Dhillon, Shri G. S. . lena, Shri D_ D.
Bhargava:Shri B. N. Dhuleshwar Meena, Shri Kahandole, Shri Z. M.
Birua, Shri Kolai Digvijai Nath, Shri Mahant Kamble; Shri
Bist, Shri J. B. S. Dinesh Singh, Shri Kamala Kumari, Shrimati
Do.hra, Shri Onkarlal Dixit, Shri G. C. Karan Singh, Dr.
Burman, Shrj Kirit Bikram Dwivedy, Shri Nageshwar Kasture, Shri A. S.
Deb Ering, Shri D. Katbam, Shri B. N.
301 Bills Illtrodu~~d ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Bills Illtroduced 302

KaYade, Shri B. R Pant, Shri K. C. Santosham. Dr. M.


Kedaria, Shri C. M. Paokai Haokip, Shri Saprc, Shrimati Tara
Kesri, Shri, Sitaram Pannar, Shri Bhaljibhal Sarma, Shri A. T.
Khan, Shri M. A. Parmar, Shri D. R •. SaYitri Shyam, Shrimati
Khan, Shri Zulfiquar Ali Partap Singh, Shri Sayeed, Shri P. M.
Kripalani, Shrimati Sucheta Parthasarathy, Shri Sayyad Ali, Shri
Krishna, Shri M. R. Patel, Shri Manubhai Seo, Shri Dwaipayan
Kunte, Shri Datlatraya Patil, Shri Anantra Sen, Shri P. G.
Kureel, Shri B. N. Patil, Shri C. A. Sethi, Shri P. C.
Kushwah, Shri Y. S. Patil, Shri S. B. Sethuramao, Shri N.
Laskar, Shri N.R. Patil, S. D. Shambhu Nath, Shri
Lobo Prabhu, Shri Patil, Shri T. A. • Shankaranand, Shri B.
Mahadcva Prasad, Dr. Pramanik, Shri 1. N. Sharma, Shri Naval Kishorc
Mahadevappa, Shri Rampur Qureshi; Shri Mohd Sham Sharma, Shri Ram Avtar
Mahajan, Shri Vikram Chand Radhabai, Shrimati B. Sheo Narain, Shri
Maharaj Singh, Shri Raghu Ramaiah, Shri Sher Singb, Sbri
Mahida, Shri Narendra Raj Dca Siogh, Shr.i Shiy Chandika Prasad, Shri
Singh Rajni DeVi, Shrimati Shivappa, Shri N.
Mahishi, Dr. Sarojini Raju, Shri D. B. Shukla, Shri S. N.
Malhotra, Shri Inder 1. Ram, Shri T. Shukla, Sbri Vidya Charan
Mandai, Shri B. P. Ram Dhan, Shri Siddayya, Shri
MandaI, Dr. P. Rani Dhaoi Das, Shri Siddheshwar Prasad, Shri
Mandai, Shrl Yamuna Prasad Ram Scwak, Shri Chaudhary Siogh, Shri D. N.
Mane, Shri Shaokarrao Ram Subhag Singh, Dr. Singh, Shri D. V.
Marandi, Shri Ram Swamp, Shr.i Sinha, Shri Mudrika
Master, Shri Bhola Nath Ramamoorthy, Shri S. P. Si!1ha, Shri R. K.
Masuriya Din, Shri Ramshekhar Prasad Singh, Sinha, Shri Satya Narayan
Mehta, Shri P. M. Shri Snatak, Shri Nar Deo
Menon, Shri Goyinda Rana, Shri M. B. Somani, Shri N. K.
Minimata ..,.gam Dass Guru, Randhir Siogh, Shri Sonar, Dr. A. G.
Shrimati Raoe, Shri Sooavaoe, Shri
Mishra, Shri Bibhuti Rao. Shri Jaganath Sudarsanam, Shri M.
Mishra, Shri G. S. Rao, Shri Mthyal Supakar. Shri Sradhakar
Mohamed Imam, Shri 1. Rao. Shri 1. Ramapathi Sursiogh, Shri
Mohammad Yusuf, Shri Rao. Shri Thirumala . Suryanarayana, Shri K.
Mohsin, Shri Rao. Dr. V. K. R. V. Swaran Singh, Shri
Mrityunjay Prasad, Shri Raut, Shri Bhola Swell, Shri
Mukerjee, Shrimati Sharda Rcddi, Shri G. S. Tarodekar, Shri V. B.
Murti, Shri M. S. Reddy, Shri P. Antony Tiwary, Shri D. N.
Muthusami, Shri C. Reddy, Shri R. D. Tiwary, Shri K. N.
Naghnoor, Shri M. N. Rohalgi, Shrimati Sushila Tula Ram, Shri
Naidu, Shri Chengalraya Roy, Shri Bishwanath Uikey, Shri M. G.
Naik, Shri G. C. Roy, Shrimati Uma Veerappa, Shri Ramachandra
Naik, Shri R. V. Sadhu Ram, Shri Venkatasubbaiah, Shri p.
Nayar, Dr. Sush.iia Saha, Dr. S. K. Verma, Shri Balgovind
Oraon, Shri Kartik Saigal, Shri A. S. Verma, Shri Prem Chand
Padmavati ·DeYi, Shrlmati Salve, Shri N. K. P. Virbhadra Singh, Shri
.Pahadia, Shri lagannath Saoghi, Shri N. K. Vyas, Shri Ramcsh Chandra
Palchoudhuri, Shrimati Iia Sanji Rupj i, Shri Yadab, SbJi N. P.
Pandey, Shri K. N. Sankata Prasad, Dr. Vadav, Shri Chandra leet
Pandey, Shri Vishwa Nath San.t Bux Singh, Shri

NOES

AYarwal, Shri Ram Sihgh Berwa, Shri Ookar Lal Brij Bhushan Lal, Shri
Banerjee, Shri'S. M. Bhagabao Das, Shri Chakrapani, Shri C. K.
Behera, Shri Baidhar Bharti, Shri Mabaraj Singh Chandra Shekhar Singh. Sbri
303 India" R/)'s (Arndt.) JULY 21,1969 'Ordilumu (Be.) tIIId Inditltl 304
Rlys (2nd Arndt.) Bill
Danae, Shri S.A. Krishna, Shri S. M. hte!, Sbri J. H.
• Das, Shri N. T. Kundu, Shri S. Ramani, Sbri K.
Fernandes, Sbri George Lakkappa, Shri K. Ray, Sbri Rabi
Gbosh, Shri Ganesh Umaye, Sllri Madhu Reddy, Sbri Eswara
Gopalan, Sbrimati Suseela OMajbi, Shri Mahendra SambhaIi, Sbri Isbaq
Goyal, Sbri Sri Cband Mangalathumadam, Sbri Satya Narain Singh, Sbri
Guha, Shri Samar Menon, Sbri Vishwanatha Sen, Dr. Ranen
Gupta, Shri Indrajit Misra, Shri Janeshwar Shab,8hri T. P.
Haridar, Sbri K. Modak, Shri B. K. ' Sharma, Sbri Beni Shaaker
Jai Singh, Sbri Mohan Swamp, Sbri Sbarma, Sbri Narain Swarup
Janardbanan, Sbri C. Molabu Prasad, Sbri Sharma, Sbri Yajna Oatt
Jba, Shri Bhogendra Mukerjee, Shri H. N. Sharma, Sbri Yogeadra
Jha, Shri Sbiva Chandra Mulla, Shri A. N. Sbastri, 8bri Ramavatar
Josbi, Shri Jllllannatb Rao Nair, Sbrl Vasudewn Sbastri, Shrl Sheopujan
Joshi, Shri S. M. Nayanar, Sbri E. K. Sunj Bilan, Sbri
Kachwai, Shri Hukam Chand Nayar, Shrimatl Shakuntala Umanatb, 8bri
Kapoor, Shri Lakhan Lal Pandey,ShriSarjoo Vajpayee, Sbri Atal Bihari
Paswan, Shri Kedar Yadav, Sbri Ram Sewak

MR. CHAIRMAN: The resultt of the in aay Ministry, it find. it an _ aDd


division is: Ayes: 220; Noes: 62. promulptes an Ordinance.

Tile motiOIl was adopted. Actually, during tbis iaterregnum, a IWIII-


her of ordinanCCl have been promutpled,
SHRI RAGHU RAMAIAH; I introduce most of wbich could have been avoided. It
the Bill. would alDlO!It appear that we are living in a
regime of ordinanCCl, and that COIlIequently
tbis august House is inte1lded only to rubber-
lS.13 hrl.
stamp the declsiODl of tbis GO\W1IlDCIIt. The
latest Ordinance promulgated only 40 ho,urs
STATUTORY RESOLUTION RE: INDIAN before Parliament was sc:heduled to 111Mt
RAILWAYS (AMENDMENT) ORDINA- nationalisiag banks is an afi'ront to tile dipi-
NCE 1969; AND INDIAN RAlLW AYS ty and authority of tbis House. Tbere was
{SECOND AMENDMENT) BILL no emerpocy and no immediate -nty.
This ordinance nationalising baob would b_
SHRI S. S. KOmARI (Mandsaur): I deleterious effects upon econmic arowtb. In-
bell to move the following: ternational opinioD bas also adversely reacted
to ,it.
"This House disapproves of the Indian
Railways (Amendment) Ordinance, 1969 I would now come 10 the Ordinance iD
(Ordinance No.3 of 1969) promulgated questioD. I would draw attention to article
by tbe Vice-President acting as President 123 of the Constitution.
on tbe 4th June, 1969".

I deprecate tbe tendency of this Govern- "If at any time, except wben both Houses
ment to govern by ordinances. This Govern- of Parliament are iD sessioD, tbe Presi-
ment bas a penchant for issuing dent is satisfied that circumstances exist
ordinances. Whenever it wanta to do a thing which render it necesSlry for bim to take

o Wrongly voted for 'NOES'


t The following Members also recorded their votes:
~YES: Sarvashri C. C. Desai; Meetba Lal Meena: N. T. Das and Mahendra Majbl.
NOES: Sarvasbri Mohammed Ismail, P. C. Adil:baD, M. H. Gowda. ,and S. S.
Kothari.
lOS Indian R/ys. (Amilt.) ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Ord~ (Res) and Illdiall 306
R/ys (2nd Anull.) Bill
immediate action, he may promulgate Increase in penalties for ticket less travel
such Ordinances as the ciTcumstances is an over simplification. There is no doubt
appear to him to require." that ticketless travel has to be checked. There
is tremendous loss of revenue. Tbe Ministry
In my opinion,there were no such estimats it to be between Rs. 10 and IS crares
circumstances as necessitated the issuing I wonder how they have got these estimates.
this ordinance enhancing penalties in But what is happening today is that imple-
respect of ticketless travel. It could have mentation even of the existing provisions is
been brought before the HoUse in the normal
so poor that the penalties for ticketless travel
course, and since tbe House 'was to be con- only lead to corruption. If you see the con-
vened, there was no reason way tbis ordinance ditions at any station, particulary when the
should have been issued. I would like to train is about to come, there is a long queue
empbasize the basic point that since this of people and many of them are not even
able to obtain tickets; unless they want
Government believes in governing by ordi·
nances and not in the healthy democratic to leave the train, they have somehow
conventions regarding the issue of ordinances, to board it. These bona fide passen-
gers who would like to pay their fares correc-
the hoo. Members must give serious thought
tly do not have any avenue for paying them.
to circumscribing and limiting the powers of
They try to contact the Guard. and usually
ihis Government to issue ordinances. That
the Guard is busy with otber matters. He
Is the serious issue, and in order to do that,
cannot be contacted and during that period
a would suggest eitber article 123 should be
the train leaves. Therefore, if they go to the
cmended, or it should be provided that a
train, there is nobody to whom they can say
bommittee of members of Parliament should
that they would like to have tbe requisite
eo constituted to advise the President, as
ticket. Even if they want to pay, they are
to whether they are justified; and this commi-
ttee should be consulted by the President in unable to do so.
tvery case be fore issuing ordinances.
When the ticket collector comes, even if
these passengers ask bim to issue a ticket, he
Railways are a public monopoly. Now
the cream of the banking industry would also sayS they have to pay SO much penalty. After
threatening them with the penalties, the pro-
pass into tho hands of bureaucrats. Is this
posal is put forward saying that no ticket is
bureaucratisation going to solve the country's
necessary if they pay a certain amount of
problems 7 The phenomenal inefficiency
money to the ticket collectors. If the pena·
~d losses in the public sector has been grow-
lty is increased as psoposed, the consequence
109. Even railways have been incurring losses.
would be that the ticket collector would be
There is mismanagement, inefficiency and
able to blackmail the passengers even more.
corruption and these are surely infactious dis-
These are the facts of life. . Let the Minister
eases. I doubt if nationalised banks can be himself enquire into this. If I am. wrong, I
insulated from the legacy of the existing public
shall stand corrected. But these are facts
sector. Deterioration would fast set in and
which cannot be ignored. The higher the
that would be to the detriment of the econo-
my. penalties, the greater is the demand by
ticket collector from the passengers and tbey
succumb to it.
MR. CHAIRMAN : You are talking
about banks. This is about railways. In view of this, I suggest that elrorts
must be made to provide the requisite
SHRI S. S. KOTHARI : Railways are machinery for issuing tickets or certificates
a public monopoly and one has to deal with under section 68(2) of the Railways Act. It
the performance of the public sector while should be made easy for the passengers to
dealing with this ordinance. That is what I obtain a certificate showing that they intended
wils referring to. As you know, tbe perfor- to pay for the tickets. I do not hold any
mance of the public sector has been dismal in brief for persons with mala fide intentions
the past, not only of railways but even otber who do not want to pay tbe Railways their
public sector undertakings. However, I will legilimate dues. But bona fide passengers
concentrate on tbe railways. must not be harassed. A coJleaaue was
307 Indian RlYI. (Amdt.) JULY 21, 1969 Ordinance (Res) and Indian 308
Rlys (2nd Amdt.) Bill
[Shri S.S. Kothari] The TIEs do not dare to get hold of the
saying that if somebody approached the culprits or miscreants who create such a
guard of a train for a certificate, he should nuisance. If the Railway Police Force is
produce a platform ticket; otherwise the inadequate to tackle this situation, it should
certificate would not be issued. If a person be intensified at certain places ratber than
could obtain a platform ticket, he could as posting them here and there.
well have obtained a proper ticket. It is an
absurd provision. Any ticket collector in At important stations there should - be
uniform should be authorised to issue a squads of Railway Protection Force which
certificate when a bona fide passenger says should be utilised for bringing to book
that he wants to go from this place to his miscreants who travel without tickets.
destination. Otherwise, genuine passengers
will be harassed. This would also plug the It is not only a problem on the Delhi-
loophole which enables money to pass, not to Ghaziabad section, but I am told that it is
the railways but to the pockets of its a problem in some sections of Bihar, West
employees. Bengal and other States also.

What is the use of enhancing penalties MR. CHAIRMAN: The hon. Member's
without implementing the existing laws? The
existing laws are ineffective. That is why time is up.
I say that the Ordinance is an exercise in
futility and a calculated act of salf. deception. SHRI S. S. KOTHARI: Sir, I must
This must be rectified. have half an hour at least.

Overcrowding in trains results in increa- MR. CHAIRMAN : Three hours have


sed ticketless travel. There are difficulties been allotted.
with regard to reservations. Various
commissions have suggested some methods. SHRI S. S. KOTHARI -: I must have
Certain forms have to be filled in for reserva- ample time. I am speaking on a statutory
tion. Inspite of these forms the element of resolution. Kindly consult the Secretary as to
corruption with regard to reservations has what the timing is. Three hours have been
not lOne down. It is common knowledge allotted and I have to speak on my statutory
that soinetimes money has to be paid for resolution.
securing them. The only solution that
one can think of is that the accommodation MR. CHAIRMAN: You may have IS
available in trains should be increased by at minutes. Three minutes more.
least fifty per cent. The number of trains must
be increased and also the number of coaches SHRI S. S. KOTHARI: J must have
in the trains. Incidentally, this would provide time to do justice to the job. I submit tbat
job opportunities to the engineering industry, the Railway Protection Force must be
i( orders for coach building are placed on activised. Then only probably there would
that industry. be some effect of the ordinance which
seeks to increase the penalty for ticketless
Thete appears to be shortage of staff
travelling.
both with regard to the checking staff and
also conductors attached to the trains. If Besides, theft of railway property takes
ticketless travel is due to shortage of staff, place: bulbs, taps arid various other acxesso-
it must be looked into. ries are replaced and then within a few days
With regard to the Raliway Protection they are stolen away by some people. The
Force, RPF, I have to say that it is incom- Railway Police or the Railway Protection
petent and ineffective. Even at important Force do not do anything practically. I
stations, we do-not find them and even if there would urge the Minister to give serious
are a few, they are inactive. We are told attention to this aspect and see that the
that many persons travel'deliberately without police force is activised as I said earlier. I
tickets from Delhi to Ghazibad; they also am reiterating it because that is a very
enter any compartment they like and are a important point. Otherwise, there is no use
source of harassment to bona fide passengers. expecting any results from this measure,
309 Indian Rlys. (Amdt.) ASADHA 30. 1891 (SAKA) Ordinance (Res.) allil Irdiall 310
Rlys. (2nd Amdt.) Bill
Besides railway losses, theft, etc., even and tone up administration and see tha
murders take place. As you are aware, there these loopholes are plugged.
was the murder of Pandit Din Dayal Upadhy-
aya but the police has not yet been able to do I would also emphasize that the ameni-
anything in the matter. What were the ties for third-class passengers should be
railway Police or the Railway Protection increased. If there are better amenities, I
Force· doing at that time? I do not know. feel that would alsO assist in checking the
Why I am referring to this is because this ticketless travelling. The Capital Express
kind of incident affect us, and we are deeply and· the Taj Express are just show-pieces;
concerned about it. But this is being done and they are beyond the reach of· the poor
not only in the Mughal Sarai section: such and the middle classe~. It is said that our
things take place in various other sections fares are low by international comparison,
also. Therefore, the police force bas to be but then what about our per capita income?
improved. The per capita income is so low that the
fares, of necessity, arc low, and they have
With regard to railway accidents, we to be within the reach of the poor people in
have had so much of discussion earlier in this country.
the morning. I hope the Minister
would not mind it if I say that with the What about the amenities? We find
rapidity with which space technology is that half the lights are often missing, and the
progressing in the USA, and operational fans do not work or they are so sparse that
efficiency of the railways is deteriorating in they do not cover even a fringe of the
this country, a stage may come when passengers. As regards water coolers, where
it would be safer to travel through space they are installed, many of them do not
to the moon than to travel Indian function at all. Water often does not How
railways, I hope that stage will not come. through the taps. This happens often in the
third class compartments. Of course, the
han. Minister docs not have to travel third
In every case, it is said that the accidents
class. He docs not know how the third class
are due to human failure or mechanical
passengers suffer, as we do.
failure. It is bound to be something of
course. But if the operational efficiency
goes on deteriorating, what else can we My last point is this. The Railway
expect except such railway accidents? I Board must improve itself. That is of very
request the Minister to give some serius great importance for this country, if the
attention to this aspect of the matter. efficiency of the railways bas got to be
improved. There has been severe citicism
of the Railway Board; they are good people.
The Minister has himself got God's
I would not like to criticise them. But let
name: "Ram" Subhas Singh. So, let us
them do something to improve the railways;
hope that he will be able to reduce
let them do some heart-searching and let them
the number of accidents on the railways.
improve matters and make the railway more
efficient and see that the railways which ensure
One more important point is this. With are the property of the nation as they advertise
that I shall conclude my speech. Despite boldly in the compartments; they must see
the· monopoly of the railways, losses are that the railways are made to run efficiently
incurred year after year. We find that the and operate efficiently and that the Railway
fares and freight are continuously increas- Board administers the railways property.
ing. May I submit that cost accounting is
not being done properly or efficiently in the
THE MINISTER OF RAILWAYS
railways? He must analyse and find out
(DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH): Sir, I big
which of the sections are losing and which
to move:
are doing well. Only when efficient cost
accounting is. done, be can ascertain where
a section is losing money. Then, wherever "That the Bill further to amend the
they are· losing money, they can take effec- Indian Railwavs Act, 1890, be taken
tive steps to improve operational efficiency into consideration."
311 Indlll1/ Rlys. (Arndt.) JULY 2'1, 1%9 O,di"Q1/re (Res.) and I"dlQ1/ 312
Rlys, (2"d Amdl.) Bill
[Sbri Ram Subhag Singh] and 113 of the Indian Railways Act by
Sir, this is a self.explanatory Bill. On making the penalties for ticketJess travel
the basis of this Bill the Ordinance was stiffer than they were earlier and also by
issued speakina on which Shri Kothari has compelling the passengers to buy tickets at
Pointed out that Government has developed the booking windows. Thereby we intend
this babit of promUlgating ordinances with· to stop leakage of railway revenues. This
out caring for people's convenience. He is not 'intended to increase the earnings by
also just DOW mentioned about tra~1 in means of higher penalties. It is not our
third class and took the entire credit as if intention.
he and he alone travels in third class and
nobody else. He said that others, more An equally important object of the
particularly the Ministers. do not know proposed amendment is to eliminate the
anything about the difficulties tbat are severe inconvenience which the ticketless
obtaining in third class compartments. But travellers cause to the bona /ide tra~\Iers by
I may tell him that it is with a view to over.crowding trains.
helping the bona /ide passengers that this
Ordinance was issued, and if he really Shri Kothari referred to the Railway
knows about the difficulty that is created Protection, Force also. Perhaps he is not
for bollll /ide passengers he wnuld not familiar with tbe functions of the RPF. We
object to the issue or tbis Ordinance. have every sympathy for the passengers who
travel in the railways and we want to ensure
Thb Ordinance was promulgated on 10th
that nobody is allowed to be murdered while
June and the report that we got on 20th
travelling in a train. He made a special
June says tbat the number of passengers
reference to the death of Pandit Deen Dayal
found travelling without tickets or improper
Upadhayay and demand an inquiry. An
tickets came down from 2,32,649 to 96,292,
inquiry was in fact made about his death
which is _ than half, and the reduction
and we all know the outcome of the case.
bas been to the tune of about 59 per cent.
RPF cannot do anytbing in such cases
The limplo promulgation of this Ordinance
because its function is only to watch and
has got this effect.
protect railway property. Only the GRP
He also said th.t anybody in railway can ensure the safety of passengers.
uniform must be authorised to issue
certificates, in connection with higher excess Then he said that promulgating an
charge. I accept that this is a good sugges- Ordinance has become a common feature and,
tinn. But wbat will bappen to the booking therefore, it is an exercise in futility. From
window? Anybody who wants to be a the figures which I have quoted it will be seen
bona fide passenger, I would say, should go how effective this Ordinance has been so
to tbe booking window' and buy a ticket. far as the comfort of those travellers who
If there is any difficulty I am prepared to purchase tickets is concerned. The penalty
issue necessary instructions. Instructions which we have received Is very nominal; so
have already been issued that wherever also the cost of checking.
needed the number of booking windows
must be increased. Higher charges re- In order to remove over.crowding we are
covered from such passengers increased from ensurina that wherever there is over·crowding
Rs. 1,94,074 to Rs. 3,96,852, This shows more booking windows are provided. The
an increase of 105 per cent. Lower excess number of trains and the coaches in each
charge increased from RI. 1,529 toRs. train are being increased. In the last Time
8,662 representing an increase of 467 per Table we increased the number 'of trains on the
cent. Sale of tickets at the booking Delhi-Ghaziabad line. From the third
windows of Indian Railways recorded an week of April we have introduced an
increase of 9.4 per cent as against 4.18 additional train on the New Delhi.Faridabad-
per cent during the period ending 10th June Palwal line and from the first of July two
1969. This was precisely the object of pairs of trains are being hauled by diesel
promulptina the Ordinance. enaines. The number of coacbes is also beina
increased. In this way we are ensuring
This Bill intends to amend sections 112 more comfort and safety to the bona /ide
313 Indian Rlys. (Amdt.) ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Ordit/QfICe (Rlys.) 0IId Ittdian 314
Rlys. (2nd Arndt.) Bill
passengers who purchase tickets. It is with or of the amount from SO paise to Rs. 10,
this object in view that we are seeking to will have any permanent and desired
amend sections 112 and 113 of the Indian efl'cct.
Railways Act.
Sir, a lood deal depends, not only for
SHRI S. S. KOTHARI: He is a good the eradication of this evil but a:Iso for
Mi nister but his legacy is bad. increasing the efficiency in the working of
railway department upon the railway staff
MR. CHAIRMAN: Both the Resolution itself. I am not blaming the entire railway
and the motion are before the House. They staff. I know 0111' railway stall' is twice as
will be discussed together. much as it is in other countries for a
corresponding lenlth of lines" If only there
SHRI J. MOHAMED IMAM (Chitra- is increase in the eflicieocy of our railway
durga): Mr. Chairman, we always welcome staff and if only our railway staff is more
a measure which will contribute to the better honest, I think, this ticketless travellins caD
working of the railways. I do appreciate the be reduced to a considerable extent.
anxiety of the Minister of Railways to
eradicate the long-standing and deep-rooted 15fT ;mi ~ (~ ~lIf):
evil of ticketless travel. He is seeking to
take immediate measures to uproot this am tJ<'Rf arrU<r \'I1TT ~ ~ I Iii!: tJ<'Rf t I
evil through an OrdinanCe and also by
throwing his mighty weight in favour of this SHRI J. MOHAMED IMAM: I do
Ordinance. not say that all are dishonest. Anyhow,
they must be more efficient. I can
give one example to my hon, friend,
Promulgating an Ordinance has become Shri George Fernandes. I can understand
tbe 'order of the day aDd for better or his part iality and his feeling towards the
worse they take refuge by passing an railway workers with whose help he has
Ordinance. I agree with the previou. been elected to this House perhaps. When
speaker, Shri Kothari, when he says that I was once travelling from Madras to
tbough there is no serious objection to the Delhi in a first class compartment, between
passing of the Bill, there was no necessity two importaDl stations when I came out of
to promulgate this measure through an my compartment I found the entire corridor
Ordinance. Anyhow, the Minister has said being occupied by nearly 2S or 30 persons
that after the passing of this Ordinance and though three or four stations passed I
ticketless travel has gone down considerably could see nobody to check them. Nobody
and that he has been able to stop a good checked them and it was verY difficult for
deal of loss of revenue to the railways. us to go from our compartment to the
next compartment or to the bathroom.
I hope, this will be kept up and when After four or five stations the entire crowd
tbe time for the presentation of the Railway walked down and went away. That was
Budget comes he will be in a position to say long ago.
that the Io6s, whicb he has depicted now as
being about Rs. 13 crores or Rs. IS crores. I may tell him another thin.. This
has been completely wiped off. ticketJess travel is VCrY much rampant on
short lines, specially on loop lines or railway
I have got experience of these railways. /iDes that end afler a short distance. There
I think, ever since independence ministers have is absolutely no supervision there. I have
come and ministers have gone-the previous got a number of luch loop lines in the State
railway ministers assured this House that of MySore. They run for a distance of 40
they would take aU possible steps to see miles or so and -end after tllat. 00 these
that ticketless travelling was obliterated or at Iioes there is absolutely no check and
least checked-still, I am afraid, this evil paSsensers enter the compartment and go
has been Ifowiog both in intensely and in the out at will. I think. duriog the last Budad
magnitude aDd I do not know whether the sessioo the Railway Minister complained
measures, which the present Railway Minister that these loop lines were working at a loss
has taken by enhancing the quantum of fine and he was thinking of dillDBntiiog them.
315 Indlall Rlys. (Amdt.) JULY 21, 1969 Ordillllnce (Res.) and Indian 316
Rl)'s. (2nd Amdt.) Bill

[Shri J. Mohamed] a harrowing tragedy! Three bogies on a


bridge got derailed on account of sabotage
told him that the remedy layout in
and reU into the river and about bundred
dismantling them but in extending and
connecting them to a main line or in ensuring persons lost their lives.
better supervision.
Again, within 10 days or a fortnight,
there was a case of human failure, one goods
We have got a huge staff. We have
train dashing into another passenger train
got a number of travelling ticket inspectors
resulting in the loss of many lives. When
and checking squads who pay surprise visits.
there is such a human failure when there
Had this in any way improved the situation
are hundreds of losses of human' lives, how
till you promulgated the Ordinance? I
can I compliment the Railways who bave
know, before independence when the railways
been responsible for the loss of human lives 1
were owned by the companies and some of
Why don't you promulgate an Ordinance
the railway were owned by the States, ticket-
to the effect that anyone who neglects his
less travel, I can say with autbority, was
duty and if on account of human failure and
mucb less because there was better super-
negligence a major accident is caused in
vision and better control.
which there is loss of human lives, he 'lnust
be banged. I will approve it.
Now, after it became the public sector
in which we bave invested more than
AN HON. MEMBER: You ask him
Rs. 3000 crores ,and from which the country
to resign.
expects a decent return for tbe money
invested, the Railways are bebaving exactly
SHRI J. MOHAMED IMAM: I will
like any other public sector because in a
not ask him to resign. Those who are
public sector concern, everybody is a master
responsible for the accident should resign
or nobody is a master.
and go out of the country.
I am not concerned about this loss which
comes to Rs. 10 crores to Rs. 15 crores. SHRI GEORGE FERNANDES: Hang
You must tbink of other losses tbat the tbe Railway Board.
Railways have bean incurring. What about
the loss of buman lives? How can you SHRI J. MOHAMED IMAM: I am
compute the loss of more than hundred .not concerned witb Rs. 15 crores loss. I
human lives in two unfortunate tragedies can earn it in anotber way. Wbat about
that occurred witbin a fortnight? These tbe loss of two hundred buman lives to the
losses of human lives are due to human nation? Wbat about tbe loss to their
failure or due to sabotage by anti-national families? It is sucb things that must be
or anti-social people who want to impose corrected.
their own ideologies in this country.
Still let us give credit wherever it is due.
~;mi~:~If<'I'<f~11f<'I'<f But such persistent, frequent, accident that
ornr ~T ;ffiRt ~ ? bave been occurring everywhere must be
checked. I am sure the hon. Railway
SHRI J. MOHAMED IMAM: I said Minister witb all his weigbt and migbt will
anti-national. and anti-social people who take speedy and effective steps to check
want to create trouble in the country. these railway accidents. You must check
them. Otherwise where is the safety? Now
Illt;n;f mmr: i{~t ~ I alWays feel nervous to travel by train.
;;r;:r~ am; ~f<'1'ij' if ~ ~
I must bring to your kind notice that
If<'I'<f ~ I you must see that the travelling ticket ins-
MR. CHAIRMAN: When you get your pectors, the raih.ay special squad, carry out
chance, you can speak. Why do you better work. I understand that these travell-
interrupt him? ing ticket insPectors are not treated in the
same way as the other running staff; they
SHRI J. MOHAMED IMAM: Wbat are not given their daily allowance and they
317 Indian. Rlys (Amdr.) ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Ordinance (Res.) and Indum 318
Rlys. (2nd Arndl.) Bill
are not given the same facilities which the
other railway. running staff have been enjoy-
IIlI ~ tilt (
~Oifi ) : ~
ing. I think you must look into their ~ro:r, ;;iT f.... ~T ~ if ;m fiI;l:rr t,
grievances and at the same time make them it ~T ~lRI' am: ~ ~~ itt it~,
carry out better work.
'Ii)mT ~ it ;m f'lilIT t, <fIFliT 1fiIlfof-
I need not dwell on the other aspects ~rnif;fof~~garr~1
concerning the railway administration. Some
of them have been very well put forward
~m't WO'li it ~~ g;g if; ~ '!i'VIT
by my friend. Shri Kothari. One thing that
I must submit is that overcrowding in trains ~'!i <'I'A<f iI'f ~ tl
lJ'~ ~ ~ ;€I' omr
must be avoided. It is a common factor and
a common feature on all lines, especially in
t
f'!i ~ if; ~ cr-m if, ~'Ii f4;ijTif if,
Third Class compartments. The Third Class ~~;€I'~it~ m.rrlli~
passengers have to travel for days together .~;€1'~~;€I'am: aJi)'~~
without sleep and without any rest. It is
true that you have provided some sleeping
f.... '1ft w.; if; ~ "!Tit ~ I ~ it
coaches, but these can accommodate only ;,vr;tT miMi 'R<IT ~ I ;;iT \'Ilq ~
a very few; the others have to go without ~ 'iT~ 'lim ~,ar~ it ~ ~
sleeping accommodation. I know that, in
some cases, the Third Class passengers keep \;f~l\i!' am: m
'fflTij' if; ~ '1ft ~
standing in the compartment for hundreds ~i 'fflTij' it ~!Ii<: '!ii:, ffi if ffi it ~
of miles for want of accommodation.
You have to provide more accommo- ~Cffl 'liT ~1ITlRI' ~it am:
if ~T <{l'\'I' 'lRT
dation. m ~~" '!iT mTlli arr1: f~
I perfectly agree with Shri Kothari in
rnl
what he said about Third Class passengers;
specially in big cities like Delhi, it is very it mifffi' ~ f4; Wi!' ~11I'ifm m~
difficult for an ordinary passenger to
obtain a ticket at the counter. So many
am: ~ml ~ ~ ~~"ii'
things are said about it. I have no ~m<'r)qo;rT~1 it~~ ~f'li
personal knowledge. If a person can makes ~~it ~ij'nTifif q" if; ~ I ~it ~
an extra financial effort. it is easy for him
to get the ticket. It is true that many
~ ~m f'li if~ ~ m am: Oifi ~ij'
middle class and decent people have to ~ if; rr<'ffl '!iJlI' '!i'l:if if; fu<;rf~ it ~'Ii.
struggle very hard before they can obtain a ~m ~if~tl f..-ij' ~ q~if;
railway ticket to travel in time. I think, this
is a matter which the railway Minister should Ol'I'iI'mlT if; ~ if wrm ~ ~'!i'l: ~
investigate. I would even suggest the ~;;rTf.r:n: a''Ii ~ ok: qit~, <ft'~ ~o
Railway Minister going in cogni/o. He can
go and stand in some corner and find out
~To if aft<n:f~ ~ m a;<R if; ~
for himself how the railway staff are behaving <r'li ~'!iTlJ';n 'Ii:~Z;;r lfIl"t1: ~ ~ t, ~­
and what are the facilities 10 be given. He
can also travel in the Third CJase compart-
mt ~ ~~ fl:r;:Rt ~, ~T ~ ,;ili '!i~
ment and find out for himself what are the if 1!l1f amit t, ~'R it 1jiI1f.rn ~ '!iJlI'
difficulties. This is a suggestion which is ~1 ~ 1:~ ~,--~ if ~-~ ~Tc 'liT
seriously made to the Railway Minister.
He must travel in cogniro and study for
f'{m.r if; f~ 'ftir-'ftir ~ ~ ;;n~ ~ I
himself and aeq uaint himself porsonally it ~ ~rrr ~ ~ 'IT, ~'R
iffi)'
with all the difficulties thai are being ex-
perienced by the low class passengers.
ljiI; '!i~ q~
3flfIlr ;€I'. ~lIi I t
fCoR:-~m if;, it g)Z ~ lJ'T~, ~
With these words, I support the Bill and ~-~, 'm-'ilT" ~ if; w
ij, ~'liif lr
I hope that il will have the desired effect
<,\)q ~ mtlli ~ ~ I ~ it \'Ilq
though enhancement to Rs. 10 may not deter
all the offenders. <'rT<'r~ m
lJ'&i' 'I"l: ~ 'Ii'(iril;
319 Indian Rlys. (Amdt.) JULY 21, 1969 Ordinance (Res.) and Indian 320
Rlys. (2nd Amdt.) Bill

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~, ffi ~~ I ifi~, lIT art'!' ~ i!if.f tit ~;;rmr ~ I

SHRI DHIRESWAR KALITA (Gauhati): 16 bours


I want to raise a point of order. $HRI J. M. BISWAS : Sir, I think
somebody else is responsible for the5e evils.
MR. CHAIRMAN: What is the point
Will you allow me to speak 7 I know
of order 7
that a travelling ticket examiner has to
pay bribe to his higher officer. Allegations
SHRI DHIRESWAR KALITA: When
have been brought against booking clerks,
a Bill is before the House, we have to speak
ticket checking staff and others. I caD say
on the provisions of the Bill. But he i.
who is the root cause.
bringin& in all irrelevant things. I would
request you to ask him to speak on the
On an earlier occasion while I was speak-
provisions of tbe Bill.
ing, I was not allowed to make such referen-
.n.~ ~ :~m ~~lI", ces.

''"I''R~1~it f~1 MR. CHAIRMAN : When he gets a


chance to speak, he might reply to him.
SHRI J. M. BISWAS (Bankaura) : I
have also to submit that he has raised all
.n ~em:~: ~;r ~~, ar-r aifi
sorts 0 f allegations and accusations against
some categories of railwaymen who are not if.t ;n1f ~ ft;rlfT 'IT ar-r it ;rr~ mm
present here to reply to these Charges. It is , I am~ ~~"U ~1 ~ oim'i q<:
a one-side picture. Will you allow us to
speak of Ihe olher side? We shall lell
t .... · (~'1'r.f)...... it ;;ftlr.r 0Wl{-
you who are actually responsible for all ij~ ~ ~T ~ I ~if~ 1mI' ~ WoIT f<:~
these evils. Somebody called the ticket-check-
ing staff dishonest, some others called them
Fifi ~ iIit iffir ~ ~~ ;if I ~ ahm:r'T
inefficient. Now he is saying all cock-and- ~ ~ ~, ~~ ;rrtR; iffir ~i
bull stories. They are not here to reply to ~m~ ?· .. (~)· .. it lI"i! ati
these charges .....•
~ '1:~ 'IT, itt mt f.f~ ~ lj'IiiiIiT
MR. CHAIRMAN: I have understood QI1~ t ~ ~ ~ ifiTf<'RIT i QI1~ t
81'' ~~ eT itt <:~ (\' ~ I it m
"'lit i
yo". The Minister is here to reply on their
behalf.
~ , f.I; oratTlI"- ~ fit; ~
SHRI J. M. BISWAS : When a Govern-
ment offICer is not here, can he be criticised ~.81''' ~ ~~a'ir~
or can allegations be brought against him. lI:~ iffir ~1 m ~ ~1 ~~1
tfifif69:~~~~rn~,
it ~
.n~~:;;IT~~,
fi!:iIri~ cf~ ~ ~);R ~ f-;r~ m;nt
m~wtl~ ~<r.f tit ~
~~itlITam~ij~~~
IflfT t ?
f.I; 15 ~ liW mr it lI:ri ~
SHRI J. M. BISWAS : I want your ~ ~ ...... (a(1I''1'r.f) ...... 8I"R: am
ruling on this.
~Tarm:~ i{ 6) I 5 ~~ 'ITGT lI"~ am
MR. CHAIRMAN: The hon. Minister
I 5 i1>{~ am 30 ;r.U~ ~T ljiI'm ~ ~
t I~~m
is here. He will reply to these.
1!T"Uf ~ f, ~
DR. RAM SUBHAG SINGH : So fill' q<: ~ '!>til' ~ aiR iI!Ir-ft ~ ~
as he has not said against anybody. He has
only said against people who lecture here. 'f~ fiI"ltrn I
321 Irtdi"" Rlys. (Amdt.) ASADHA 30, '1891 (SAKA) Ordinance (Res.) tmd Irtdian 322
Rlys. (2rtd Amdt.) Bill

~~itit~~ ~ mf~ MR. CHAIRMAN: If there is at all to


be a debate, a Member speaking should
IfiTt ~ 8I1R ~ ~ ~ ~ i!iT( ~, not be interrupted unless it be on a point of
8I1R 11m ;r.~ f~ q;~ amor ~mr order. Let decorum and rules of procedure
~~o) itaT ~~ tfil; ~<t>T1ft be observed.
ffi;r<;ff,~~it;~~itl
..n ;nwf ~: ;r~, ~~
16.04 ~s ~"m", am.- ~ lllifR If"".-'!ft it lI&t q;:
[8HRI R. D. BHANDARE in the Chair] ilf'R IR: iJlTA' ~ ~ lfilT f~ ilTlR it
arr~;r{f <mit aT it m f~ if
~«~~aT~lf@'tl~ ~~I ;;r~~~~t ~~
50 <roI?: Q;~h1T~ ~ t I... (~) <mom!"~t ~m'it; ~ it;
50 <roI?: ~ ~ ~ I ar;r it 75 IR:- m if ? ... (~) ... ~ ~
~~I ftaT~~m~~ mfil; . fir;re" ~ it ~ 40t ~ I
~~~:'1f;r~:1 ~~ar;rit ~ ~
f~75~~~tl ..n~~: ~ ;;ITc~ ~t,
it ~ ir.r.t ;;lI' ~·1fT I tt 40 ~·1fT
SHRJ J. M. BISWAS: This is not
correct. ~ tt ~ ~ flf'lC 1ft ~1 it..-it
(1fT I
MR. CHAIRMAN: When he is called
upon to speak, he has every right to have his MR. CHAIRMAN: Don't do that.
say. But let him not interrupt like this.
..n~~: it;;r) ~ 'q~
SHRI J. M. BJSWAS: If he says some- 'IT !f& ~ f'fi" f~ ~ it am:
thing incorrect, J have right to correct him.
~ it ~IR:~ fiI;l:rr t, ~
MR. CHAIRMAN: Do not correct him. fiRr t ;;IT ~ fiTOf ~ ~t I am: m
~ 10-15 ~ i1>'t iTro ~1 t, it ~
This is not the way of carrying on debate.

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t, lift ~t, ~ ~)
~ l{~;r 'fiT <t~ 1ft ~d: aT m: ~ ~ ~ iI'if
~ t, uTa" ~ <t>T ~oft<n t, ~qrl ~Ij.m:u ~~fiI;m
fim;r1fiT o~~, ~it ~~t I ~~, 1fIi ft:;r i1>'t ~ 1ft ~qr I
~~~t~~~~ f~f'fi"C~ (itor rn
~ 1fIi ~ ifif
t l it~lfiI;~T~~ If@', q1fT t
I lI&t o~ fiI; oim: m
mr f'Z;t;c
ilihft~tl ~ll" ~~f'fi" ~ if ohif ~ Ill" ~ fQ~, t
m~~t~~,~~~tl ~~ am:~ am-
~ if ~
it ~ t Tf 1ft m <'PTTatT, tt 1ft m t
m ~ qlI1 fiI; iT~ f'Z;t;c ~~ ~'{ I
<'I"IffiIT~,~~~~1ft'ii'l''''~' f~ m 'qOf<rT ~T ~ tI
~,,~~~1ft'ii'l'~' .. ~T ~ ~'Rf am: '"f"'lIliill~ ~ lI>'T
~if~~ arm;;ffitt ~
~a~:ammif~ 70 ~ arr~ mr fu;t;c ~ ~
~t? t I l~ ~ armr ifif 'If I ~ 1fIi t
..n~~:~, ~1fttl 1l1cr~~;;r)~~t ~
... (~) ... ~tfil;~~~ ;;r) arrn ~
323 Indian Rlys. (Amdt.) JULY 21, 1969 Ordinance (Res.) and Indian 324
Rlys. (2nd Amdt.) Bill

[..n~m f~] ~ ar"h: ~ ~ i't ;o~'T ~;;rr;;Io <::'T ~ I


OIlTfct~, ~ if; mr ~'lr tim ~ I ~lIif;:m<: ~ 'liT{ ~ ~ 'Ii~ fif; ~.
mlfm~~'Ii~ ~f'li ~~~ ;;IT if; lIlfll 'fiT ifiIf<:: f'l'llT ...
fu-ifiC m ~ ~ ~ I ~ ~'Ii 0Imf-
<:vtlifu: : mif
m ~ q{ ~, ~r 'liOO fIR 'l1n ~,
~ ~ Il~ ~'f 'liT

m ~ 'liT 'Ii~'fl<: f>T~ 'l1n ~ I it ~


lIllll ~. 'Ii~ '-~ ~ I

~ 'fiT ~ itaT ~ arr.: ~'Ii m{ ~T:smi ~ : ~if;11·~ 'f<: 'liT{


if; ;ffit amflm: 'IT itaT ~ f'li ~r.t ifgcT -U'" ~T <1lff ~, it ~T ~ ifi<:OT
~ ifiPf f.I;ln- I ~~c: 'liT ifTo ifl@ ~ \'tfifi<r "fif 'liT{ m;;lI f~ 'Ii'T crrn
lli~
~I ~"C~~ arif? ~ffi oT it a:rrcro ~T 'ifTl[OT ~, arrtf ~ ~
610 WI" ~lf f~ if; amt @ qNif ~ fif; mif'!!JrT if; amrlfo ~~ lfifiT<: if; If@q
trit I ~ ~ ~ ~"C ffi ~1U ~Tm 'liT ~ ifiIf<:: 'fO<:i't ifT<1T ~ 'liT{ ifill:
-U'li lIifiOT aft<: f'lilIT m ~ if 'fiT~ m ~'li0T ~ ?
~ ~ «'liT ~ I ifT'lit f~ if arif MR. CHAIRMAN: When there is a
~T~ ~ ~ ? 610 <:f1f lj;'llf f~ if; statutory motion brought before the House.
it is not proper to say that bringing the
~ if ani't if; ifTG lIQT 'f<: ~"ffik motion is a waste of time.
f~~c: ~ ... (~) ... if~­
m mOfT ~ ifgcr l[fij- ~ '3'fifi'T ~
SHRI J. M. BrSWAS (Bankaura): r
agree with the Railway Minister that ticket-
m Il~ ~ I <iT'T arT~ '!f;T;of6lf ~~, lees travel is an evil and my party takes the
view that it should be eradicated. But r
ifm: fu-ifiC "fr; ;;ffit ~, arflI~"C ~~ am opposed to the method by the Railway
~ ar"h: ft 0 it 0 q.~ 'PlTi't if <1'1 Ofrif Millister in issuing an Ordinance; it could
~, ~m ~ ~6'T~ m~ ~ I ~ have been done in a better way in consu-
ltation with the ticket checking staff who
feifiC~ ~'rl\:rlf ~ l1;~i"ClI 'Ii'T Wi1'fR had been entrusted with the responsibility to
~ I wf<1l1; 'ill<: 'liT 'lIlT ~T, 'ill<: 'f.'T I1T do this work rather than issuing an Ordinance
in a hasty way.
'fiT ~ I fu-ifiC~ ~~f<1'T i't ~T'Tl 'liT
~11T'f <AT WIT ~ I . The Railway Minister has said that
after the promulgation of the Ordinance the
ffi it arr<m 1l~'T 'Ii~;;r "fT~ f'fO ~R earnings of the railways had improved. He
~ t;;IT~ it'fO<:if; arrm~ l1:T~'IiT should know that most of our people are
c:r~ if<:~ R fif;/lT ... (~~) .. .it 61 0 very poor. If a man is forced to travel in a

m~ 'fOT iflffil' w ~ ~lI fif<1 if; f~ am: hurry; he jumps intu the train but he will
pay the excess fare if you charge him fifty.
~ ro<ro 'fO<:OT ~ I paise. But if you charge him Rs. 10/- he
will be unable to pay and so he surrenders
~ ;;mf ~1"': il<:r ~ 'fOT himself and goes to the jail. You are losing
revenue thus on the one hand. On tbe
~ ~ I ~ anf6i't~ if;:m<: OfT ~T 'f<:
other hand if he is convicted and sent to
srnnq ihr ~ 'l1n ~ ~ ~~r'f if; jail; the Government has to spend money on
3RI1To ihr gan ~ I arT'f"'T ~lf ~ feeding him. That is the complaint that
has come from tbe ticket checking staff wbo
~qtIT'f if; ~m<:"fif 'fil{ m ~~ assemble in· New Delhi in a Conference
~ if arror ~ ffi 'fflifiT f<r<:N rn 'liT yesterday. They were saying that it was
easy for them to realise fifty paise as excess
srnnq ,-lif.r 'liT l[~ ~'" it+if<: 'fiT arf~~ fare but it is very difficult to realise
~ I ;mit; amr~ ~ srnnq ihr f'l'llT 'l1n Rs. 10/-.
325 Indiarr Rlys. (Amdl.) ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Ordinance (Res.) and Indian 326
Rlys. (2nd Amdl.) Bill

What happened a month back? Some cited was that he was travelling in a train up
per!lOns were charged by the ticket checking to Madras and he found in the corridor
stall'. Immediately after being charged the compartments 2S passengers travelling witb-
pass:engers got down from the train, they out tickets, but that no ticket-checking staff
realised Rs. 20/- from the wife of the ticket was found there. Is this a ground for
checker. Ticket checking stall' are being making an allegation against the ticket-
hammered in the train. There are thousand checking staff tbat they arc inefficient and
and one instances. Dr. Ram Subhag Singh dishonest? Perhaps Shri Imam docs not
came 0llt with a statement that the public know that one af tbe latest policies adopted
were attacking the railwaymen when they by the railway administration is called
were charging the ticketless tra"ellers and 'Economy drive'. Ma'lY posts in the several
tried to realise money from the ticketless categories of staff have been surrendered.
passenges. Ticket-colfectors, Ticket-checkers and other
staff are not travelling by all the trains· due
Dr. RAM SUBHAG SINGH: But not
to shortage of staff. Of laIc, the railways
after this Ordinance. It has not happened
have adopted a policy of asking the casual
after this Ordinance.
labour, gangmen, clerks, anybody they find
SHRI J. M. BISWAS: It has happened surplus, to collect and check the tickets. They
after the Ordinance. This happened about arc going on checking the tickets like this.
a month back. The wife of a ticket checking I believe the hon. Minister will agree witb
staff at Naihati (E. Rly.) was surrounded by me tbat tbe railways are running short or"
some ticket less traveller who had been such staff. That is also a cause.
charged Rs. 10/- and his wife had to pay the
entire amount. In Mogalsarai also there I do not want to go into the details of
were complaints of a similar nature. My tbe matter within such a short time at my
point is that the law should be so framed disposal. I can tell one thing, for explaining
that the railway stall' could implement it. the root cause of this evil. I had a talk
My point is that if the penalty had been with the railway officers also. I bave been
retained at fifty paise, even the poor persons travelling by the Howrah Mail from Calcutta
would have paid the penalty and it would to Delhi and vice versa. You have the
have beo:n easier for the railway staff to dining-car in this train. Just see the fate
Collect that penalty. There are some respec- of the dining-car. Any Member of Parlia-
table persons who work as Professors in tbe ment can go and see. I challenge tbem. In
University; sometime they come in the last my last budget speech also, I referred to
minute and jump into the train and after this before the House. Say, for example, the
finding out the TIE pay him the excess fare manager of the dining-car is supposed to take
of eilht anna and also the fare. 40 kg. meat in the compartment. If you go
and check, il will be 30 kgs. or below. If
The TI'E was telling me that it is very he refuses to issue receipt for 40, he will be
ditlicult to realise Rs. 10 now. Those peo- punisbed.
ple were all very respectable men. Tbe TIE
told me the reasons for their doing so. It Where do the remaining. \0 kg. of meat·
was In avoid standing in the queue. If they go? Nobody knows. . It will be distribu-
have to pay the fine, it was Rs. 10, wherees the ted in the houses of high official. These
fare was 25 paise. That happened at one things are happening there. I know a sec-
station. I request the hon. Minister to tion of the railway people, wh) in the rail-
appreciate the dilliculty. Most of the pas- ways alone, in the police also, such things
sengers who travel without tickets are happen; in the other departments also this
travelling by third class; they are very poor happens. A smalf section is corrupted; I
and it will be very difficult to realise beavy must say that the top level officers are mostly
amounts by way of fine from tbem. Instead, responsible for these people to become
the poor people will prefer to go to jail. corrupt. They want these people to be
corrupt. I know some responsible Members
Another point is tbis. Sbri Imam was of Parliament travelling on their identity-
accusing our 'railway ticket·che cking stall' as cum-card pass only with their families. The
inefficient and dishonest. The example he TIE come and ask the Member of Partia-
327 Indian Rlys. (Amdt.) JULY 21,1969 Ordinance (Res.) and Indian 328
Rlys. (2nd Amdt.) Bill

[Shri J. M. Biswas] 3 for reservation. I was giving my own


meat for the ticket for his family. The latter personal case.
replies that he is a friend of tbe Minister.
(In'~rruption). Mr. CHAIRMAN: Shri Randhir Singh
has had his say. He should not take every
Dr. RAM SUBHAG SINGH: Sir, on a possible opportunity to Ipe8k. Shri Biswas
point of order. Who ,is tbe Minister wbose has not_de any allegation. I would also
example was cited by the TIE, and who is like to ~eply to Shri Biswas that Shri
the Member? This is a serious charge Randbir Singh did not make any specific
against a Member of the House. Wbo was allegation against any particular officer, any
the Member who was travelling without ticket collector or against any clerk.' He
tickets along with his family, and who was making a general observation. He can
is the Minister wbo was meationed ? also speak in a general way without making
any allegation against any hon. Member of
SHRI J. M. BISWAS: I can give him of the House.
everything, and I can give to hon. Minister'
something more also. SHRI K. N. TIWARY: Sir, eitber the
hon. Member should give the names or it
Dr. RAM SUBHAG SINGH: Wild
should be expunged from the proceedings.
aIleptions of this nature must not be made.
They cannot be corroborated.
Mr. CHAIRMAN: I have given him
sufficient warning.
SHRI J. M. BISWAS: I can give him
tbe facts. If be wants something more also,
SHRI A. S. SAIGAL (Bilaspur): Sir, J
I will give him. (Interruption)
rise on a point of order. The bon. Mem-
Mr. CHAIRMAN: When you want to ber made an allegation and said "one hon.
make an allegation, you should make a very Member of this House". It will be better
specific allegation and it is not proper to if he gives the name of that hon. Member or
make such an allegation as you have made. he places tbe papers 00 the Table of the
House just now. It is not correct to make
SHRI J. M. BISWAS: If you want a vague allegations and it should be expwllCd
specific allegation, I will mention my alle- from the ProceediniS.
gation. I am saying it on the floor of the
House. (Interruption). Mr. CHAIRMAN: I presume that every
hon. Member listens to what is happeoina in
Mr. CHAIRMAN: Order. Order. I am the House. I have already taken notice of
sufliciently powerful to take care of whatever what the hon. Member said and called upon
hon. Members say. I would like to tell the hon. Member to place his allegation on
Shri Biswas that whenever he wanls to make tbe Table of tbe House. Tberefore, there
an allegation against any hon. Member of was no necessity of raisina a point of order
tbis House and also a Minister be should because tbe Chair has already taken notice
make a specific allegation and place it on tbe of it.
Table of the House so that it could be takcn
notice of. It becomes certainly a 'privilege SHRlJ. M. BISWAS: Sir. I would like
issue. Hon. Members should not make any to suggest tbat tbe Railway Minister lhould
vague allegations and generally they should not force the House to pass this Bill DOW.
not make any allegation against hon. Mem- He should consult the ticket-cbeckina .tafI'
bers of tbis House. who are the men on the spot to do tbis
duty. He should consult thelli and find out
SHRI J. M. BISWAS: Wbile tbe bon.
some method. We arc also equally worried
Member Shri Randhir Singh waS speaking
like him aod we agree that this evil should
about payment of Rs. 3 and Rs. 4 for a
be eradicated but J can tell you that by this
slccper berth he did not make any specific
amendment iIlis evil cannot be eradicated
.negation. and it will only cause loss in the railway
SHRI RANDHIR SINGH: My own SOD reveoues which the Railways were eaminl
when be was .,.g for NDA had to pay Rs. from this type of PIISSCIIgeI'I.
329 Indian Rlys. (Arndt.) ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Ordinance (Res) and Indian 330
Rlys. (2nd Arndt.) Bill

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RI),s. (2nd Amdl.) Bill

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Rlys. (2nd Amdl.) Bill

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Rlys. (2nd Amdt.) Bill

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349 Indian Rlys. (A",dt.) ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Ordintmce (Res.) and Indian 350
Riys. (2nd Amdt.) Bill

17.lZ bro. Then I will give you another instance


from the Kurudwadi-Lathur-Miraj section.
[SHRI VASUD.~VAN NAIR in 'he Chair] The booking window at the station opens
only after the train had left the previous
SHRI SONAVANE (Pandharpur): Sir,
station. At the station there is only one
I welcome this Bill. There is no reference person who has to issue tickets, check tickets
in the Statement of Objects and Reasons to
and attend to all other functions and he is
this Ordinance because the Ordi~ance had to not able to attend to all of them well. I
be brought subsequently as this Bill could not will narrate an incident which I myself
be passed in parliament in time. But I feel witnessed. There were about two hundred
the enhancement of tine is very very high. It
passengers who wele returning from the
is thousand per cent high. I shudder to bazar. The queue was so big and all the
think about the diflicult that passengers who passengers could not buy tickets before the
travel on small sections in the rural areas, train started. So, some of them got into
who go to weekly hazars and travel distances the train without purchasing tickets.
of one or two stations will face in buying
tickets of 10 paise, twenty paise or even I was travelling by the first class
thirty paise. These weekly baza..s are such compartment of the same train. When I
that people go in t,he morning and back in saw this I requested t he guard to call the
the evening, after selling their agricultural station master. Then I told them to keep
produce. On rcaching the station if they the train waiting for a few minutes so that
find a train standing they are in a hurry to all the passengers could purchase tickets by
get in and they have no time to buy the standing in a queue. When they stood in
tickets. On such occasiobs if there is a the queue and started purchasing tickets,
ticket examiner he catches such travellers. even those passengers who were inside the
But the difficultv is that they have no money. train but who had DO tickets went to the
If they have some money, all their camings booking window to purchase tickets. This
from the weakly hazar will be taken away. I shows that these people did not purchase
would therefore request the hon. Minister to tickets earlier because they did Dot get the
show them some consideration. People who facility for purchasing tickets. Since these
have a lot of money do not care to pay the are the geDuine difficulties of the travelling
fine of Rs. 10, but a farmer who purchases a public I would say that the penalty for
ticket worth 30 paise and travels a short dis- ticketless travel should be less than Rs. 10.
tance to attend the weekly bamr will find it It is mentioned in the Statement of
very diflicult to pay. If such travellers are Objects and Reason~ that the loss of revenue
one or two the ticket examiner can drag them because of ticketless travel is estimated at
to the court. ' Rs. 10 to IS crores. But what has been
done by the railway administration to ensure
If he is unable to pay Rs. 10 he will be that loss by theCts in the railways is eliminated.
taken by force. But if the ticketless travel- Most of these thefts are committed by
lets are in big numbers, say, ten or twenty railway employees. Because, I am not pre-
and the ticket checker is only one, he would pared to believe that travelling passengers
be helpless and he would allow them to go. take with them spanners, hammers etc. to
Or, he may perhaps ask them to pay him remove bulbs and other electrical tiltin",
one. rupee and allow them to go. So, in foam rubber of seats etc. from the railway
such cases the tine would not be realised. .compartments. I would give my whole
hearted support to any measure to prevent
Previously, if a passenger was late to theft of railway property because the watch
catch the train and if he was in a hurry and ward and RPF have failed to check
and he had no time to buy ticket he could these thefts. Passengers lose all comforts
go and inform the guafd of the position and amenities of railway travel because of
in which case he will issue a certiticate. these thefts of railway property. Therefore,
Now that practice has been stopped. That the hOD. Minister should come forward with
causes inconvenience to passengers who such an Ordinance or Bill, which is a very
really want to purchase tickets but have stringent one, to check thefts and even
no time to do it. search of suspected persons.
3S1 Indian Ri),s. (Amdt.) JULY 21, 1969 Ordinal/Ce (Re8) and Indian 352
Rlys. (2nd Amdt.) Bill

[ Sbri Sonawne ] 'Ilt qy;ft 1967-68


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With these words, I support the Bill and 'fiT ~r.nvr ~. ~ iF ~ 7Cfir
oppose the resolution moved by Shri '</.' "</.'" I( '"

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~~, ill 10 ~ ~ 15 $ ~qit 'liT 'ElTZT~~'Iil t-W~art'1f~ m
~,iIf\"li 20 ~ ~ 25 ~ m '!if ~ am:~ fum'T ;;it it iii!!:, '1ft t fiI; ~
t I aniT >ill ~ "!!: ~ ~- u ~ ~ am: 'imT ~ ~ 'IiTIf 'Ii'(it
"It, accordingly, became necessary that m ~ 50 ~ ~ 60 ~ m it;~.
measures to control this situation should be 'fiT ~ iRfrii'r I
urgently taken. One of these measures was 'I:!." '"
the Amendment Bill referred to above ,
which, though introduced in the Lok Sabha ~ ~Rtr, ~ ~ 'liT ~
in December 1968, could not come up for ~ ~ foIit f~ ~ t ~fiI;
discussion even in the Budget Session of 50;rn lfiT ~ ~ m m 'frit ilIf~ ~
1969."
it ~ ~ ~ ~ fili 11;'Ii ~ 10 ~ ~ '!if. ~ fiI;ln ;;rT1f -1I>1t '1ft
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~~~~aom t f'li~ iITi ~'f'li~i1iit;~m~~.if
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itart'1fiti~ ~ m''Ilt firR ~ ~'IWt~~~f~~'Iil'lft 'l"i
353 India" Rlys. (Amdt.) ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKAl OrdilllJllCe (Res) Qrtd IrtdltJ" 354
Rlys. (2nd Amdt.l Bill

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3SS Indian RJys. (IInuII.) JULY 21, 1969 Ordl_ce (Res) and IndiDn 356
RJys. (2nd llnult.) Bill

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~ ~ i!& it ;rtl f~ qyt f~ f~ SHRIMATI ILA PALCHOUDHURI
~~ ~ ;rty f;r~ mit I mit (Krisbnagar): I have heard all the
arm; ~ it; ({"(Tit; t I ;;rT fln:tI;Ur am: speeches with a llreat deal of attention.

aIR:;Ofurt ~ t ~ mg~ ~;;ro;


There is one thins which I would like to
brinll to the notice of the Minister. The
"~~~~~ ~it;ifT"(UT Bill before us deals with two things: one
is that in sub-sectiOJ> (IA), for the words
ijj)~~<ritiff ~~"(~t~ 'fifty naya paise', the words 'ten rupees'
~ ilim if ~~ f.Ii m ~ ~0Tit shall be substituted; and the other is in sub-
;;mt I section (1), for the words 'which may extend
to one hundred rupee's', the words 'which
3RI" if. ~ ~ ilt ~ q"( ~~­ shall not be less than ten rupees but which
~l q"( ~ ~ \'IlITit ~m ~­ t may extend to five hundred repees' shall be
mt ~ m if am: ~ ifT1I" ~ iii ~q substituted. I would like to ask who is to
decide on this fine, who will say that the
ilimif,~~",if1f<U~1fi ~ ~ fine would be Rs. SOIl and for what ? Does
Ifi"(fiIT 'fIlaT ~ I 'if~ ft.:if ~ o.;ft mfi\'r anybody travelling nowadays have Rs. SOIl
straillbtway in his pocket? And if be cannot
~ ~ iii 3>'f"( m-oofto~o ilt ~ pay Rs. SOD, I do not know what will be
!{llf"( f.IilIT 'IT f.!; ~ an'fi ~ iii done" So, it comes to this that Rs. SOD
will be asked from the persons wbo could
1f.W;;m~"( "(~ ~ ~i't ~ ~ give it and Rs. 10 will be asked from
q;;mr ~ ~ R;rr ~ ~'!rTit ~ persons, as has been pointed out by so
~ ~ f.I<rnR iff !fiTIr f~ I it t anq-iI; many members, who buy tickets of 2S paise
or 10 paise.
~ilii'taT~f.Ii ~it~t,
f,;r;A; m'f 8f1'f.nq I it mmt m I quite realise that ticketless travelling
should be stopped, but by imposing tbis
~iff ~ ~t all< ~ ~
fine, will you be able to stop ticket less
;;mrr 'I\l ~ ~ !fiT!fiTIr f.!;l!r ;;rTaT t I travelling except in so far as it acts as a
~ iii ;;rRt!; ~ Rit ;;ffit t I 3fT deterrent punishment. It is the same thin.
m "!Iij" srm IfiT ..ru am: ~ it qi~
as sayinll that tbere will be five years' impri-
sonment. Some persons may be deterred,
~ ~l ~ ;;r;mr iii m1f.f ;i\~ arr~ ~ but when you are runnins for a train, "this
;rtylfi"<mtl does not come to your mind.
357 -Indian Rlys. (Amdt.) ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) Ordinance (Res) and Indilm 358
Riys. (2nd Amdt.) Bill

May I bring to tbo notice of tbe bon. get tickets and we make suggestions, the
Minister tbat I come from a district wbere answer invariably given is that tbe traffic
ticketless travelling is on tbe verge of taking does not justify opening another window to
off a railway line-from Krishnagar to sell tickets. The traffic may not justify it
. Navdeep Gbat, that line is sougbt to be for the whole day, but at peak hours at
taken off because there is so mucb ticketless least tbere must be two or three windows
travel on tbat line and the Railways suffer opened so that people can buy their tickets
a loss. I quite agree tbat there should be quickly._ There should also be checks to
better checks. What about vendors? see tbat they are getting the tickets.

Sir, bow mucb do we lose on tbe Then I do not know why you ha-'C almost
vendors ? If you have surprise checks at eliminated women ticket checkers. Women
stations, they could really be Surprise checks. who do not know mucb, very orten come
They should not be intimated about it, that burrying to catch the train. I have come
there is going to be a surprise Check. -I across a woman who got into a train baving
bave seen it for myself that people are told been asked to pay double fare because she
beforehand tbat there is going to be a did not have a ticket. She was in tears.
surprise check. Then a person doles out a She did not know wbat to do. Why should
certain number of tickets for that day. So we not have better checks so that these things
if real Rurprise cbecks are carried out, it do not bappen and tbe Railways get money?
would be found tbat they go without tickets
for many days. So there must be better By imposing a fine of Rs. 10, Govern-
checks to avoid loss to the exchequer on ment will not realise so much as by spending
this score. something more on opening more windows
and by baving- more women ticket checkers
Secondly, I come from a district wbere also. If they just watch tbe pilgrimage
there is a very big pilgrim centre, Nabadwip dates and run more trains with more third
Dham. On holidays, Fridays, "Ras Poorni- class coaches on tbose dates, tbe return
ma" and on PoorNJChamira days and other would be considerable.
auspicious occasions, you will find people
travelling thickly, even on top of tbe trains. I would support tbe Bill as far as it
The compartments aro full; even tbe tops of goes because we do not want ticketless travel.
trains are full. Could not the railway make But why do we not make use of the mike
a certain amount of mooey on such occasions and every other audio-visual medium to tell
because people will pay for going for such passengers to buy their tickets from such
pilgrimages. On such occasions, more trains and sucb bootb ? Why should this not be
should be provided; but instead of doing done in every language So that people know
that, you let them travel on tops of trains. and can buy their tickets with facility and
So there ~hould be more trains run to cope convenience ?
with the traffic on sucb occasions.
Coming to thefts on railways, the inci-
The hon. Minister said that 5S trains dence of this has increased. If it is inves-
have been added on. I do not know if he tigated, it would be found that tbe loss on
means that S5 coaches bave been added. Ihis account would be much fOOre than
through ticketless travel. Why should
mE MINISTER OF STATE IN THE thefts be there? Wbat are the watch and
MINISTRY OF RAILWAYS (SHRI
ward people doing? They do not seem to
PARIMAL GHOSH) : 5S_ new trains.
be able to prevent this. I have nothins to
SHRIMATI ILA PALCHOUDHURI say apinst the railway employees. I think
would ask how many third class tbey are a very good lot. At the same time
cOaches are there in those trains. It is tbe the watch and ward must have protection so
third class coaches that will give returns. that they can do their duty without being
killed. If tbey know that they are going to
We sit on the railway conSUltative be killed, how are they going to watcb? So
committees. When we say that ticketless tbe vigilance macbinery has to be brought·
travel occurs because people are not able to into action.
359 Indian Rty•. (Arndt.) JULY 21, 1969 Ordiannce (Re•. ) and Indian 360
Rty•• (2nd Arndt.)

[Shrimati Ita Palchoudhuril hereinafter in section mentioned in


In the ladies' compartments, there is addition to the ordinary single fare .....
so much complaint that alarm chains are
So, the hon. Minister wants to increase
pulled for no valid cause. At the same time,
the penalties from Rs. 100 to Rs. sOli and
when the alarm chain needs to be pulled,
from S~ paise to Rs. 10.
then it is in such a place that a woman
cannot certainly get to it. So, there must Whatis the idea of coming forward with
be some device near the bench so that she tbis Bill. It has been mentioned in the
can get to it should there be real occasion Statement of Objects and RcssoDS that it is to
to pull the chain. prevent the evil of ticketless travel, which
must be stopped. We appreciate tbat it must
I put all these suggestions for the consi- be stopped, but what is tbe procedure to
deration of the hon. Minister, and though I stop tbis menace to the society? Is it by
support the Bill I would say he should not proposing such heavy penalties and fines?
increase the fines to Rs. 10 and Rs. sao as Ticketless travellers have to pay 250 percent
it will be a hardsIiip to the people. Instead, higher than tbe normal fare according to
you should improve your vigilance, put more the present Act. What will the railway gain
trains on pilgrimage days because there you by imposing more penalties? The iendency
will mint money. At the same time, you on tbe part of ticketless travellers to travel
give the people more facilities. It is up to without tickets will increase more and more,
Railway Ministry to sec that the third class and they wiIJ try to hide themselves so that
passenger gets more facilities, . because it is they may not be caught by the checking staff.
he who pays you dividends, because it is It is better to let these people come to realise
in the third class that real India is travelling. that they should not travel without tickets.
I hope the hon. Minister will look to the.
facilities for these teeming miIlions. In any case, what is the basic sense of
jurisprudence behind these increased fine?
SHRI B. K. DASCHOWDHURY Punishment should be reformatory, not
(Coach-Behar) : Although the Bill seems to be retributory, in nature. This basic concept is
a very simple one, but if it is accepted by the missing from the amending Bill. It seems to
House, it will very vitally affect the average be the opinion of Railway Minister that more
people of India; not only the ticketless and more penalty would result in less anel less
travellers. The Bill should be read in between ticket traveJJing. This will not be so.
the lines. Clause 2 says:
In view of the opinion expressed by so
many MembCrs, I appeal to the hon.
"In the Indian Railways Act, 1890
Minister to withdraw tliis Bill at present and
(hereinafter referred to as the principal
to study· the whole matter in the new
Act), in section 112,-
perspective and only after that he come for-
ward with a proper Bill, if it is SO necesary.
(a) in sub-section (I), for the· words
'which may extend to one hundred I have other objections too. The Bill is
rupees", the words 'which shall not be not only causing hardship and torture; it is
less than ten rupees but which may full of irrationalities. For instance, a train
extend to five hundred rupees' shall be starts as a passenger train and from station
substituted; . A and 10es to B as a passenger train and
from B it changes its character to an express
(b) in sub-section (IA). for the words or mail train. In the N.E.F.R. a train
'fifty naye paise,' the words 'ten rupees' starts at TiDSukia and goes upto New
shall be substituted." lIongaigaon as an ordinary train and be-
romes an express or mail train onwards.
Section 112 of the original Act says: A passenger travelling with an ordinary ticket
•• ... he shall be punished with impri- on this train will be lioldin. a valid ticket
sonment ror a term which may extend to tiIJ New Bongaigaon but will be liable to be
three months or with fine which may penalised and will be treated as if he is
extend to one hundred rupees and shall travelling without a proper ticket or with
also be liable to pay the excess charge insuJlicient ticket. In such circumstances he
361 Intlian Rly&. (Amdt.) ASADHA 30, 1891 (SAKA) OrdiDnce (Res.) and llldian 362
Rlys. (2"d Amdt.) Bill

will have to pay tbe penalty. There is no section to wbich I referred is fu\1 of irregu-
provision to saCeguard allainst such contin- larities from another point of view. Even
gencies. That is why I say that this Bill when a ticket costs just SO paise, a passen-
is Cull of irrationalities. ger bas to pay a penalty of Rs. 10 plus SO
There are also instances where the . paise as excess fare and the normal faie of
railway ticket checking staff were killed SO paise. The total comes to Rs. 11:
by ticketless passengers. It happened in Rs. 10 as penalty, SO paise as the normal
Siliguri in 1967, when the penalty was fare and another SO paise as the excess fare,
only fifty paise. I do not know how many which come to Rs. 11. Instead of this, is
it not possible at least to have a graded
persons, belonging to the ticket checking
system of penal.y? Instead of imposing
staff, will be killed in future because the
penalty is going to be increased from fifty paiseRs. 10 as fine for not having a ticket for SO
paise, you can have a system whereby, if
to ten rupees. Th~se aspects should be kept
the value of a ticket i. Rs. 1 to Rs. 10
in mind. Tbis is not the process by which
the penalty may be SO paise, and if the value
ticketless travel can be put down. It sbould
be done in such Ii way that passengers will of the ticket is from Rs. 11 to Rs. 20, the
penalty may be Re. 1 and so 00. This may
have no mind to travel without tickets. If
be done in a graded way.
a passenger buys a ticket, the Railways must
ensure him at least a seat in the train. Is it not Otherwise, if you club a\1 together; it
a commemal organization? If that is so, is wi\1 be very hard on tbe poor passengers,
it not proper on th~ part of a passenger to and the poor passengers very often travel
expect sitting accommodation in a train if he just two or tbree or five miles and the value
is asked to pay the price? If I have to pay of their tickets will not be more than SO or 60
a certain price, naturally I should get certain paise. It will be very hard for them if they are
goods or services. There is no such Provi- penalised for Rs. 10. So, I request the hon.
sion in tbis Bill to ensure this return. As Railway Minister at least to witbdraw tbe Bill
has been pointed out by Shri Fernandes, the for the present. Let him collect the statistics
Railways are talking not about the seatless first and tben come before the House with this
traveller but about ticketless trave\1er. Bi'I1, if it is so necessary, and it may be
considered tben.
In view of a\1 tbese things, this Bill
should be withdrawn now. Let the han. '-u ~ an~~ (~):
Minister to co\1ect a\1 the facts and study them. ~a ~,\jfTfil<'r ~iiI;~~,
Let him find out if long-distance passengers
are the offenders or short-distance passengers it "ij" iii; ~ it ~arR~ffi
are the offenders. The short-distance or local ;nl¥fT ~ I W if 8 arT 0 iii; ifOIl'.T ;;IT \0 ~ 0
passengers have to travel by train to do their
business and perform their duties and it is 'liT 'tmri!T ~ ~ ~;oij"iiI;mifit
they who genera\1y come in the last moment ~~ <ro 'IiVIT~~ I aJT\jf";;IT
to catch a train. ~~mr-r~'3"ifq;:~f~~
They have to attend to a number of duties; flroffi I ;;IT orrtr arR fuiImT ~ ~ iii;
they have to attend to their office. And there
is so much of over crowding in trains. In fOfit amt ~ '3"if ~ ¢ ~ftt; ~ ~ I
such cases it may so happen that some of the ~ ~'IiT aroro ~ 'liT ~ ~ tTlIT I
passengers may not find time to purchase
the ticket, in spite of their best intention. ~ WR: ~CPrr~mr;oij","
So, it should be ascertained first as to the ~ ~ ~ trit I -~ 120 ~o 'Ii)- ~ ~
sections in which. and the mileage up to ~ 'IT I '3"if orr'll it if!! '~ Uf;r <'it arR
which sucb ticketless travelling persists, and
to what extent such passengers continue to ~ ~ ~ ~T I ~6T~~fomr
travel witbout tickets. At least tbe percent- ~ ~ ~ ~ Im~~q;:
age of such cases should be ascertained. It
is only after that, that the han. Railway ~ f~<R: fl{Orit ~ ~ ilf~ ~
Minister may corne forward with such a Bill. ~ I W 'ffiUI" ~ ~ Glf'f if OfT'll
Now, I come to the last point. The 'liT <furt;r ~ ~ I
363 Indian RIYI. (Amdt.) lULY 21. 1969 OrdinQnce (ReI.) and India 364
RIYI. (2nd Amdt.) Bill

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~o lIT 100 ~ lITdr.r~;it ;;rT~ "I'Iiim ~ ~f.r~ ;;nit cmfi ~~,
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$ fit; am- 8l'f.t ~ 'liT ~ "4t ~1<t;m ~.~ 500 ~1ftiT 'liT ~ ~ t
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am- ~ fit; ~ qf;;r ~ ~ m
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it am- lIil "¥IiRIT
~ ~if~ ~ ~ ~ ~t mfq;;:~q.m'tiT
~ ~ 24 1ft if~~~amrT ;m ~ ~m? :ai'f'tiT~lfmi'f ~
~"IT \iffift t ar"R: mr ~ ~ ~T 'tiT~r t~ ~ ~it ~? aJIR:
~ t I ~ if 100 ~lPfl if ~ ~ m~ ~ ;;rriiit \'I) '!'rA it lfilr ~ IIi1f
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t I mrr ito 2oTo 1I>'T f~ ~~fif; ~,ft~~r.rmrf'fi~ ~~,
~ ~ ~~ I it ~~;m: ~ if\'mf at"4Tm if'lm 'Iflif ~~ t?
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00 mr-r
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t, ~ ;;if oftti'f ~ "4t m~ I
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<tl ~ \'!1TT fif; ~ ~ "Ilf t I it ~~~~I~i'f~~
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~ ~ ~ I arr;or aJIR: am- ~ it ;f\f(1ft ~ ~T ~ I it ~'Ii m;mit
365 Pa~,s lAid ASADHA 30. 1891 (SAKA) Indion Rlys. (Arndt.) O,dinon« 366
and Indion Rlys. (2nd Arndt.) Bill

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~~fl4i"itm~tr~I4i"~~ ~ 51 '" ~ ~ t mlll '" ;r@' ~ ifl\l
~ ~ fit; III ~ 'lfUQ: I 1I~ ~. t aT III \ifTlf i1Ii Ifi1: ;r@' ~ 'IT lIT if \'fa)
m~~~~tllll~ ~ ~ ifl\l ?
l£1Ilr ~uft ~ ~ ~ am: 'liT f~ 'IT fi;m MR. CHAIRMAN. : Yes, it was not.
'I<: 'I. R.' foRrr ~ t I 3fTI!"I>'t ~ m
~ 'I<: \'!Tif ~ Vorif ~a- t am:
~ 18.00 brs.

m;~ ~ I arT'fm~.mi~~ STATUTORY RESOLUTION RE:


INDIAN RAILWAYS (AMENDMENT)
~~~~iifiif;;rT\'!Tif~ ORDINANCE 1969 AND INDIAN
~ ~a- q.~ t,
fl';g m rn _ "t RAILWA YS (SECOND AMENDMENT)
BILL-Contd.
~ m- ~ ~ 'liT iIOf;r fir;l!r ;;rrifm
aT ~ m- ftJJlf ~ ~IfT I ~'T ~ 'It)fIl'I~~ ('3"~): ~­
~ 'I<: m fcRl"{ <R am: oft ~ ~ trfcr ~, f.R:r r.r.r 'I<: "'" ~ ~ t
t ~ "!9 lfi1l' <R I i\iI'"{TlI it ~ ~ m~it1ffi~~ ~ t fit;
~ ;;mr;r@' v.rr ~ I ~ it ~ i't ~r mr.r fil;l\l t fit;
~'til'~~~ ~ ~anfm'
17.58 hours. ~ UU 10 ~I!; 'liT ~ ~1ilT ;;nlr I
PAPERS LAID ON THE TABLE-Contd.
garr olm ~ w oTh ~
~~ 'liT ;;it <;.IT
THE MINISTER OF PARLIAMENTARY
AFFAIRS AND SHIPPING AND TRANS-
f.r!rnri't i't ~ t\'o t\'o
~ forI!; m:~
PORT (SHRI RAGHU RAMAIAH): Sir, cr~ ~ ~ t. it -;a'ij' oTh ~ f.r!rnr ~
today morning Shri Morarji Desai laid on the
Table of lhe House a copy of the corres-
~ t lIT~r,;p:rr 00 ~"{'fiT"{i't ~
pondence between the Prime Minister and ~ ~ 'I<: f.r;m: fil;l\l t ? ~ 3f'tt aT ~
himself. It is noticed thet copy of a letter 8 arlit ~ or.rrtr ~ ~o 14i"'T ir,rm'T ~ ~
dated 20th July, which is also a part of the
correspondence, which was sent to him by ~ ~ lif1t ~T ~r rn
~ ~ arh: ~'T
the Prime Minister, was not included in those
lellers. May I, Sir, on behalf of the Prime
am: 'Ift;rIft' ~it ~ ~m it
Minister heve yout permission to IllY on the
t\'o t\'o ontTT 'til' ~ 'I<: ~ ~
Table of the House a copy of thet letter also? 'liT1f ~ ••~ ~ I \ifiI' ~ ~~ ;rrt it ~
[Placed in Library. See No. LT-I230/691 aT ;;r'T 0 ll;If 0 iHU 1ffi iffiTlIT ifl\l fl4i" ~
'It) ;;mi ~ (~~~): t;;it ~ 'fm t ~~ t\'o mo <Ft ~
.15I')~w~;;it'" ~ ~ if
~ ~ !fIfi;r@' "{lilT? 'flIT lI'ITif ti;;r'T
I4i""{ 3lik~ ~ 'liT1f rn ~~ t I
'til' am: ~ ~~ om '" arTlIT t? MR. CHAIRMAN: Would he be
concluding his speech in a minute or two?
MR. CHAIRMAN : On behelf of the
Prime Minister the Minister of Parliamentary .n If" '1(<0( 1fiPN: 1JIl; 'fR fit";re-

Affairs is placing a cpoy of a letter, which is ~ ifit t it I4i"\'I ;;m'f"{11f ~ffi ( I


part of the correspondence between the Prime MR. CHAIRMAN: In that case, he
Minister and Shri Morarji Desai. may continue his speech tommorow .
.n ~ m~ (~~~): it;;n;r;rr 18.01 hours.
~ (fl4i" 'flIT.~ ~ ~ III ~ The Lok Sabha th.n adjourned till &Iv."
~it~fit; III f~ ~14i""{t.ft 0/ the Clock on ru ••day, July 22, 1969,
~lIT~~ ~~6!fTifit~? A.•adha 31, 1891 (Saka).
Printed at : Navin Press, Delhi-6.

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