Wikidata:Property proposal/identifiant Centre d'études Picasso
ID Centre d'Etudes Picasso
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| Description | identifier of a resource of the Picasso Museum |
|---|---|
| Represents | Musée Picasso (Q743206) |
| Data type | External identifier |
| Example 1 | Paul en Arlequin (Q3898246)→c160000000000554 |
| Example 2 | Jaime Sabartés (Q130752354)→c160000000018448 |
| Example 3 | La berceuse (Q124703839)→c160000000001183 |
| Number of IDs in source | 54387 in november 2024 |
| Formatter URL | https://cep.museepicassoparis.fr/ark:/43781/$1 |
Motivation
The Musée Picasso (Q743206) has a new website for its collections and all documents (photographs, archives, books...) : https://cep.museepicassoparis.fr/decouvrir-le-cep . It's a unique website with ark URLs. The main website museepicassoparis.fr links only to this new website where ressources are linked and wil be maintained in a sustainable manner. According to this discussion instead of changing the current property Musée Picasso artwork ID (P6358), which is linked with M&M, it is proposed to create a new one.
Notified participants of WikiProject Visual arts,@Thierry Caro, Nomen ad hoc, PKM, Marianne Casamance, ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, Gamaliel: participants to the previous property proposal. Best regards Shonagon (talk) 20:06, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
Discussion
Support PKM (talk) 08:24, 2 November 2024 (UTC)- Support Interesting to know about the issue with the old property. I guess going forward it will be useful to have both if the former one is for objects on show or something. Looks useful. Jane023 (talk) 08:43, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support Creating a new property for the CEP id seems to be the best solution, although we are not really talking about a new id here. The ids of the objects that are part of the museum’s collections (subject to inventory) are generated by the museum’s collections management software. They do not depend on the website. Example:
- https://www.navigart.fr/picassoparis/artwork/160000000000554
- https://cep.museepicassoparis.fr/ark:/43781/c160000000000554
- The only difference here is the prefix “c” (for “collection” I guess) in the CEP record. This difference is due to the fact that this new website aggregates contents that come from different sources:
- the publication tool of the museum’s collections management software (Gcoll, Navigart): ids with prefix “c” like the one in the example above.
- the documentation, audiovisual and archive database (Ligeo): ids with prefix “aligeo-” (example)
- the library records that seem to be attributed a RBMN id: ids with prefix “b” (example)
- (maybe there are other cases I missed)
- So, it would seem to me that the old id is still THE id for objects subject to inventory and should not be deprecated. At the same time, creating the new property, as suggested, would allow Wikidata to link to the corresponding CEP record, as well as to create new Wikidata items for objects not subject to inventory (documentation, private archives etc.), whose records are being published for the first time. I am not sure whether this CEP id should be considered as an object id or more likely as a record id.
- Ebakogianni (talk) 17:55, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- Ebakogianni As you point, the ID is indeed the same for artworks of the collection; only the root URL is changing. That's why, there was hesitation to propose a new property. But as you explain, the old database retains its value, including structured value and Mix'n'match as bridge to wikidata. The new database has a larger scope, is promoted by the museum that undertakes to maintain URLs with the use of ark. Best regards Shonagon (talk) 14:51, 3 November 2024 (UTC)