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Todo

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In section second and third landfalls it says "forward speed was 15 mph (10 km/h)", however 15 mph and 10 km/h are different speeds. I don't know which number is correct though. Somebody who does should fix this.

This was a copy-and-paste of a section in the main Katrina article, so it needs an intro (and the main article may still need to be pruned). --AySz88^-^ 04:53, 7 February 2006 (UTC)Reply

I added and intro and cleaned the article up some. I'll check the main article now and prune. --AySz88^-^ 00:26, 23 March 2006 (UTC)Reply
Done, but wasn't able to do much in the main article :/. --AySz88^-^ 00:42, 23 March 2006 (UTC)Reply

The Wikipedia graphic for this page, as well as the main Hurricane Katrina page, has a red-bordered caption, "Category 5 storm." While this is technically accurate, that Katrina was a Cat-5 storm during its lifespan, it's somewhat misleading.. Someone clicking on the page may see "Category 5 Storm" and assume that it was at that intensity when it landed on the Gulf Coast.

Both articles, further in, correctly point out that Katrina made landfall as a strong Cat-3 storm.

Here is why it is important that the Wikipedia articles in question not mislead readers into thinking Katrina was a Cat-5 storm at landfall:

- The damage to New Orleans was essentially man-made; that is, the Army Corps of Engineers accepted responsibility for the failures of the levees surrounding New Orleans. These levees failed after a "side-swipe" from a Cat-3 storm, not an impact from a Cat-5 storm.

- More than 1,800 people died in the aftermath of Katrina. It is important that the public knows that a maximum-strength storm is not required to do maximum impact upon a major coastal city.

(By the way, I'm CC'ing this to the head of the National Hurricane Center, NOAA, our local weather office in New Orleans.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.252.74.220 (talk) 01:13, 14 June 2009 (UTC)Reply

Delete?

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Most of the information is already included in the Hurricane Katrina article, and the only thing that would really need merging is the final paragraph of this article, as everything else is either unnecessary detail or worded more concisely in the main article. So, should it be merged or deleted? Titoxd(?!? - help us) 23:06, 16 March 2006 (UTC)Reply

I have no particular objection. Originally I took the old storm history from the Katrina article and moved it here, then condensed it greatly in the main article. This version is still about twice as long, and could surely be made longer. The question is whether there's any reason to do such a thing. — jdorje (talk) 23:18, 16 March 2006 (UTC)Reply
With the exception of the records part, I don't see why it should be expanded more than this. Any reader that requires the exact hour at which Katrina became a Category 2 hurricane would probably be looking at the TCR anyway. There's way too many subpages of Katrina, some of which have excessive information, so I'll send it to AFD. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 23:33, 16 March 2006 (UTC)Reply

I just simplified the text in the main Hurricane Katrina article regarding storm history, and moved a lot of content to this article (with a 'main' link in the original article). Dr. Cash 21:55, 1 April 2006 (UTC)Reply

Er, wasn't the content at the main Katrina article already in this article (I think)? I'm not sure exactly what you did, since the diff is marking basically everything as changed.... --AySz88^-^ 22:51, 1 April 2006 (UTC)Reply

Revert note

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I reverted this edit because I felt that it was redundant with both other sections on this page and with the Storm History at Hurricane Katrina, and because it had a lot of impact information which isn't really within the scope of this article. I advised Wikid77 on his user talk page to avoid impacts and if he still feels any things aren't redundant to add them to their respective articles/sections. —AySz88\^-^ 03:38, 28 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

GA comments

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I enjoy reading this article, as the story of meteorogical history of Hurricane Katrina flows smoothly from the formation to the demise with a clear well-written prose that a non-specialist reader, like me, can grab the whole article without any problem. This article is also supported by reliable sources and it can be verified easily with inline citations. The subject of this article is the meteorogical history of Katrina and it is indeed about it from the lead section till the end, making this article broad enough in terms of its topic without diverging into the Katrina disaster at all. The lead section is also very nice to summarize this meteorogical history. I see no NPOV problem, as it is only factual text, and thus this article does not suffer any edit wars (it is stable).

However, I see 2 problems in the images used, which can prevent me to grant GA status of this article:

  1. Image Image:Katrina_2005_track.png has wrong license tag, as it comes from NASA, not own work. It can be easily changed its tag.
  2. Image Image:Katrina_vs_sea_surface_height.JPG is copyrighted, thus it is not suitalble for Wikipedia.

I put this article as ON HOLD in the WP:GAC. Please leave me a message, as soon as the above problems are fixed. — Indon (reply) — 21:54, 17 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

The Katrina map is own work (mine). Its only the BG map that is NASA...--Nilfanion (talk) 22:14, 17 September 2006 (UTC)Reply
The first second image should be usable, as "The copyright holder allows anyone to use it for any purpose." I think it (and similar images) was released by Jim Scott at the University of Colorado, like Image:Wilma oct24 11am.jpg (which actually mentions the e-mail). —AySz88\^-^ 22:31, 17 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

The first image is solved, but I have to check whether copyrighted image tag for free use for the second one is really valid. I'll be right back for that. — Indon (reply) — 23:29, 17 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

Per WP:TAG, one of the guidelines says:

* When marking an image as one of the more vague categories (such as CopyrightedFreeUse), try to specify somewhere what the actual license or other permission states.

It is a vague category, but it is accepted as one official Wikipedia image tag. Thus I have to give GA status as images are properly tagged, per WP:WIAGA. — Indon (reply) — 23:39, 17 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

Tropical Depression Twelve

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Could someone clarify this in the lead? Would be more readable for those who are unfamiliar. --Brand спойт 13:40, 13 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

It was named Tropical Depression Twelve. It seems clear enough. ShadowHalo 01:10, 15 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

NWS Warning

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The National Weather Service issued a warning in the strongest terms at 4:13 pm CDT on August 28, see [1]. I assume from the URL that this came from the Southern Region Headquarters. Should this be addressed in the article? John M Baker 19:37, 26 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

Not sure... it already has its own article, though. Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 05:16, 27 June 2007 (UTC)Reply
I've added a sentence with a cross-reference to the article. John M Baker 13:54, 27 June 2007 (UTC)Reply

Featured article concerns

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Looking at this as part of the ongoing FA sweeps. This one has some uncited text, including an entire paragraph in the second and third landfalls section. Additionally, all but a single sentence of this article is source to National Hurricane Center reports. This extreme reliance on the NHC seems problematic with WP:FACR #1c, given the vast amounts of scholarly literature about Katrina. Hog Farm Talk 15:18, 16 April 2021 (UTC)Reply

GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Meteorological history of Hurricane Katrina/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Reaper Eternal (talk · contribs) 22:05, 24 July 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hello, I will be reviewing this article over the next week or so. You can follow the progress in the template below.

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it well written?
    A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:  
    B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:  
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    A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:  
    B. All in-line citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines:  
    C. It contains no original research:  
    D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:  
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:  
    B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):  
  4. Is it neutral?
    It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:  
  5. Is it stable?
    It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:  
  6. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?
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Review

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Feel free to correct issues as I mark them or explain why you wrote the way you did.

Lead section
  • The sentence "Katrina's origins can be traced to the mid-level remnants of Tropical Depression Ten, a tropical wave, and an upper tropospheric trough." reads almost like the tropical wave and the trough are in apposition to Tropical Depression Ten. I am aware that the Oxford comma clarifies that this is not the case, but for readers reading through initially, it can give the wrong first impression. Indeed, my first impression was that the wave and trough were in apposition until I thought "that can't be correct" and re-read the sentence. Your sentence is correct, but it might give a wrong first impression.
    • I'm unsure of how to better word this to alleviate the potential confusion without it being overly detailed for a lead section. If it's grammatically acceptable I think leaving it is the best course as the article's body has the in-depth explanation. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 17:41, 30 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
    I'll try to think of something. If I can't, I'll just pass the article. GA doesn't require perfection—just good quality.
    I couldn't think of anything. Reaper Eternal (talk) 15:54, 23 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
  • The following clause "The former system emerged as a wave..." can be taken two separate ways, either incorrectly ("[Katrina] emerged as a wave...") or correctly ("[Depression Ten] emerged as a wave..."). Consider revising this sentence.
    • I've adjusted this to The tropical depression emerged as a wave off West Africa on August 8, the second wave followed on August 11, while the trough came into play between August 17 and 23. to more clearly specify the systems. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 17:41, 30 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
    Much better!
  • In the third paragraph, the first sentence begins with: "Katrina made two landfalls in southeastern Louisiana on August 29 as a Category 3 hurricane". Do you think that there should be some blurb about how the two landfalls is due to crossing the Breton Sound or would that be too much information in the lead section? I had to go to the section on landfalls to figure out what you meant. Alternatively, perhaps mentioning that there were two landfalls is unnecessary information in the lead. What are your thoughts here?
    • I think simplifying it to Katrina struck southeastern Louisiana on August 29 as a Category 3 hurricane... gets the same point across and bypasses the need for the clearer explanation. I've changed it to that. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 17:41, 30 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
    That also works. Simplicity is a virtue in the lead.
  • In the third paragraph: "It briefly deepened and stalled over Quebec, Canada, in early September before resuming its forward motion." I don't think "forward motion" is the right term here. Hurricanes cannot move in "reverse". Would "...before resuming its journey northeast" or something similar work better?
Topics & content
  • 1st paragraph of "Rapid intensification and peak strength": "Of the five primary factors for rapid intensification described by Kaplan and DeMaria (2003), conditions were optimal for four of them." What are these conditions or factors?
    Understandable. Good articles don't require perfection (this isn't WP:FAC), so I'll strike this issue.
Prose
  • In the "Origins" section: Should "origins" in the first sentence be singular or plural? I'm actually unsure here. (This also applies to the section heading.) I guess it depends on whether you view the wave, depression, and trough as multiple individual origins or the interaction between the three as a singular origin. I'll leave this for you to decide. Alternatively, we could request someone with more English experience for a third opinion.
  • In the "Origins" section, 6th sentence: "Convective burst" should probably link to convective burst, not convection, since it refers to a specific meteorological phenomenon and not just the general topic of atmospheric convection.
    That's a reasonable argument.
  • The acronym "SST" is used only three times after definition, and the usage is somewhat spread across the article. Consider using the unabbreviated form. In any case, the use of "SST temperatures" is nonsensical and should be corrected.
  • 1st paragraph of "Rapid intensification and peak strength": "With such favorable conditions, Katrina underwent two periods of rapid intensification from August 26 to 28, punctuated by an 18-hour pause on August 27." This is a very informal usage of "such". Consider replacing with a more formal synonym.
    Thanks!
  • 3rd paragraph of "Rapid intensification and peak strength": "120 kJ cm–2". Is kilojoules per unit area (square centimeters here) normally written like this? I would have expected it to be written as kJ/cm2. (I know that technically these are identical, but I feel the latter is significantly more readable for less technically-inclined readers.)
    I honestly don't know which is easier for a layperson to read. Maybe we should get a third opinion from a non-subject matter expert?
    I checked with someone more familiar with technical aspects and it's purely personal preference. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 21:01, 20 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
  • 3rd paragraph of "Rapid intensification and peak strength": "OHC values exceeded 120 kJ cm–2, with sea temperatures of 79 °F (26 °C) extending to a depth of 360 ft (110 m)." I'm 99.9% confident that is an incorrect comma. However, I feel that this sentence should be fundamentally rewritten due to the dangling participle.
    Much better.
  • The abbreviation "hPa" (hectopascals) is never defined, and most readers will not recognize it. The wikilink just goes to the generic pascal page, so they can't find out that way either.
  • 3rd paragraph of "Rapid intensification and peak strength": "By the latter half of August 28, Katrina became "exceptionally large", with tropical storm-force and hurricane-force winds extended 230 mi (370 km) and 105 mi (165 km) from its center respectively." This sentence needs a fundamental rewrite. The latter prepositional phrase is longer than the entire rest of the sentence, and the sentence is bookended by two prepositional phrases. Be active! Let your verbs do the talking! This helps reduce the "dryness" that readers often complain about when reading more technical articles. On a different note, who is being quoted as saying Katrina was "exceptionally large"?
  • 1st paragraph of "Gulf Coast landfalls": "However, this cycle was interrupted by an increase in wind shear and entrainment of dry air." This is another example of what I was just talking about. Try this: "However, an increase in wind shear and entrainment of dry air interrupted this cycle." See how it's both more active and more concise? Try going through the rest of the article and see if you can clean up any other similar sentences.
  • Wikilink "entrainment".
  • 2nd paragraph of "Tornado outbreak and dissipation": "The NHC assessed Katrina's dissipation as a distinct entity by 12:00 UTC on August 31 as it was absorbed into the aforementioned frontal boundary over central Ohio." What aforementioned frontal boundary? You just talked about an atmospheric trough.
Sourcing
  • All sources appear reliable and are properly cited.
  • Original research spot checks done. No original research found.
Images
Copyright
  • Copyright violation spot checks done. No copyright violations found.

More to come later. Reaper Eternal (talk) 14:49, 2 August 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Reaper Eternal: Thank you for starting this review. I've made suggested adjustments brought up so far. I'm in the middle of moving to a new place so it might take me a little time to reply to future comments. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 17:41, 30 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
Thanks! Don't worry about the review; I'll leave it open as long as it takes for you to move and respond to everything. Cheers! Reaper Eternal (talk) 15:06, 31 July 2023 (UTC)Reply
Made adjustments and replies to most of your comments, have one or two more to go. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 20:37, 6 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
I've crossed out the resolved issues. Reaper Eternal (talk) 20:11, 14 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
Nudging Cyclonebiskit. Any updates? Reaper Eternal (talk) 18:31, 19 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Reaper Eternal: I'll be working on more shortly, been exhausted from work the last two weeks. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 18:53, 20 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
Not a problem, sir! I just wanted to make sure it wasn't forgotten. Reaper Eternal (talk) 20:52, 21 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
Did a bit more digging and found some more journal articles I need to read through relating to this topic. I'll drop another message here when I feel all the necessary info is added. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 16:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
I've done another pass through, and almost everything else has been resolved. Reaper Eternal (talk) 16:04, 23 August 2023 (UTC)Reply
Thank you for your patience Reaper Eternal! I think I got the last concern. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 21:28, 5 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
Sorry for the delay in replying, Cyclonebiskit, but unfortunately this ran into business trip followed by vacation for me so I wasn't on Wikipedia these past 2 weeks. I'll do a final read-through tomorrow (I just got home, exhausted) and it should be good to go. Cheers! Reaper Eternal (talk) 04:59, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply
No worries, take your time and rest up   ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 19:43, 16 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

Pre-FAC Peer Review

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Ohai Wikipedians! Since I've had a few successful FAC's involving TC met histories, here's my review for this article, seeing as it could easily become a featured article with some minor tweaks.

Infobox
Lead
  • So the landfall date is the most important moment, in my opinion. The first paragraph is a pretty heavy on some meteorology terms, which is useful considering the type of article that it is. I just have to wonder if it might be worth adding "with its strongest landfall on August 29" to the opening sentence, or if that makes it too long.
  • while the trough came into play between August 17 and 23. - I appreciate the lack of jargon, but is there something else you could use other than "came into play"? This could be an opportunity to introduce a term, with something like "while the trough factored into its tropical cyclogenesis between August 17 and 23." Doesn't need to be that exact wording, of course, and it could be something more basic like "factored into its formation", any kind of wording that links the importance of the trough.
  • "The mid-level remnants of Ten" - I've never personally been a fan of referring to unnamed tropical depressions by their number designation. I wouldn't have minded as much if you referred to it by its official designation 10L, which was the proper designation for that tropical cyclone. And that could be a way of providing the number (12L) for Katrina.
    • Hmm... I guess the reports do always say "Tropical Depression Ten" rather than just "Ten". The xxL designations really aren't used for public dissemination so I don't think it provides much to the article. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 19:36, 1 October 2023 (UTC)Reply
  • "Shifting steering currents the following day caused the intensifying system to turn west toward South Florida." - you never really talked much about the movement, so either you should specify what those steering currents were, or keep it broad for the lead, leaving the specifics for the main part of the article.
  • "The flat terrain of The Everglades" - are you sure The should be Capitalized?
  • "There, exceptionally favorable environmental conditions consisting of high sea surface temperatures, low wind shear, expansive outflow, and high ocean heat content fueled two periods of rapid intensification." - you mention both high sea surface temperatures and high ocean heat content. Is that really worth mentioning twice? Also, the outflow is more of a part of the storm structure, and less of a condition. That would be the upper-level anticyclone, but is that an environmental condition, or did the storm essentially develop it?
    • The anticyclone developed over the storm from what I can tell so I'll shift to that, and SSTs and OHC are two different things. One is temperature and the other is the energy provided by the warm waters plus the depth they reach. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 19:36, 1 October 2023 (UTC)Reply
  • I'm gonna be annoying and bring up 1 minute vs 10 minute sustained winds, and wonder how you want to incorporate that. One thing I do is have a note
  • "A record-breaking storm surge and destructive winds decimated coastal communities of Louisiana and Mississippi while the collapse of levees in New Orleans led to a prolonged humanitarian crisis." - I think the levee breaking was such a significant event that it could be its own sentence, give it room to breathe.
  • "It was soon absorbed by or merged with a cold front in the region the next day." - why the or?
Formation
  • "and involve the interaction of three systems" - is "systems" too vague? Is "weather system" better? One of my focuses for this review is making sure it's short on jargon, and it's as clear as it can be. That's difficult when I've been tracking storms online for a few decades and use the jargon regularly, but the average reader might not be so familiar. So with that caveat, I'm going to point out other instances of this too.
  • "a tropical wave emerged over the Atlantic Ocean off the coast of West Africa." - "off" or "from"?
  • "Strong wind shear produced by an upper tropospheric trough over the western Atlantic caused the system to quickly degrade into a remnant low as it progressed west-northwest." - I think this should be two sentences, as by the end I'm not sure what the "it" refers to.
  • I like the note about NHC's rules on formation and continuity of remnants, just a minor qualm about it.
  • "The former occurred with Hurricane Ivan in 2004 which maintained a distinct low-level circulation after becoming extratropical and later regenerating into a tropical storm over the Gulf of Mexico. The latter is the case with Tropical Depression Ten and Hurricane Katrina."
  • So, by having "the latter", I might not be sure if that refers to what's immediately beforehand (the "regeneration into a TS over the GoM") or something two sentences prior. And while I like complexity of notes and sentences, sometimes the more complex sentence structures read difficult, particularly to non-native readers/speakers, or perhaps people of a lower reading level. So IDK what to do here, either clarify "the latter", or perhaps go into example when you list each possibility?
  • "The upper-tropospheric trough draped across the western Atlantic in the week leading to Katrina's formation provided the final factor leading to the hurricane's genesis." - I think it's just a tad bit too complex with the current wording. I get what you're saying, and it's a nice way of describing the sequence of events, but perhaps switch the flow around.
  • You write "ex-Ten". It's not disallowed, but I figured I'd bring it up, since it's not a wording that pops up in every article. It's probably fine here, just something to think about.
  • What is "A vorticity maximum"? In most of the article, maximum is associated with winds, so I just wanted to double check. (I know what you mean, you know what it means, but the average reader? ._. )
Initial development
  • When I read "78 kJ cm–2" - it reminded me that you'll probably get asked in the future to wikilink all units and explain them upon their first usage. That includes kJ cm-2, mi, mph, m, UTC, whatnot.
  • "Convection deepened throughout August 23 into August 24—with some cloud tops reaching −112 °F (−80 °C)[14]—and a defined banding feature began wrapping around the northern side of the depression." - having the reference where it is makes the parenthesis, ref, and endash all a little clunky. Worth splitting or rewriting a bit.
  • "Based on aircraft reconnaissance data, the NHC assessed the depression to have intensified into a tropical storm over the central Bahamas by 12:00 UTC." - the previous sentence mentioned two dates, so probably best to add the date.
  • "A new ridge along the United States Gulf Coast takes its place" - present tense?
  • The low-lying, swampy terrain of the Everglades had little effect on Katrina's structure and its overall appearance improved as it traversed the Peninsula;[26] meteorologists described it as "still...an impressive cyclone." - I like this bit, but I think it should be split into two sentences, as the "its" is unclear at first if "it" refers to the swampy terrain appearance improving or the storm structure improving. It's silly to point out, but I want the article to be crystal clear before its inevitable FAC.
RI
  • "The Dry Tortugas observed sustained hurricane-force winds, with a peak gust of 105 mph (169 km/h),[24] late in the day as Katrina moved toward the central Gulf. " - so this bugged me a bit where the reference was. IDK if it's a policy to have the references at the end of the sentence, or if it's OK being in the middle, but something to think about.
  • An expansive upper-level anticylcone "dominated the entire Gulf of Mexico", producing an environment of low wind shear and ample outflow. - who's quote was this? I supposed referring to a system "dominating" is a useful and poetic word, so it could be useful adding "as described by weather researcher Richard Pasch". If the quote isn't that necessary, try rewording to avoid it.
  • "Two warm-core eddies, which broke off the Gulf Loop Current, with temperatures exceeding 88 °F (31 °C) were present." - the verb finally being the penultimate word threw me off a bit.
  • "Of the five primary factors for rapid intensification described by Kaplan and DeMaria (2003), conditions were optimal for four of them." - the only one not being...?
  • "Throughout both lightning outbreaks, a total of 684 strikes were detected." - by what?
  • Any other gusts or notable readings from recon near its peak?
Landfall
Tornado/dissipation
  • I feel like the Fujita scale should be written out/mentioned upon its first usage.
  • "18 of these were in Georgia, a daily record for the month of August" - for the state?
  • "This led to a "forceful removal" of the storm's warm core which in turn caused a near-instantaneous transition into an extratropical cyclone that day.August 30." - something happened at the end with the date. Also, who said this quote? Any way to reword it so you don't have an unattributed quote?
  • I feel like the part with - "The dissociated anticyclone" - should be at the end. That way, the Ex-Katrina frontal low can have more continuity with the rest of the narrative, and then the last part is more of a nice final settling of the wind, closing the chaotic chapter that once was. Or if you like the current arrangement, that's fine too. Just something I noticed.
  • "A stationary low to the north over James Bay caused ex-Katrina to turn north and meander over Quebec for several days." - the two "north"s threw me off a bit

A great article all around. I was pretty nitpicky with my comments, trying to come up with stuff that would probably show up in the inevitable FAC. Lemme know if you have any questions, @Cyclonebiskit:. Great work here. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 06:28, 28 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

Thank you so much for the thorough review Hurricanehink! All the comments should be addressed minus the Kaplan and DeMaria (2003) paper thing... ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 20:52, 16 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

Outstanding FAC citation checks

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The following is copied from FAC1 $Citation checks. These points need to be addressed before a second nomination. -- Mirokado (talk) 23:33, 5 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Checking for citation consistency and correctness here. User:Cyclonebiskit, please deal with Sandy's comments first (and as "straight away" as possible) since they involve the CCI check. -- Mirokado (talk) 00:43, 17 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Other citation problems:

  • Bender III et al. 2010: The page range is 1012–1028, see the Bibcode etc. -- Mirokado (talk) 16:07, 17 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
  • Chen et al. 2018: The page range is 287–306, see the Bibcode etc.
  • Green, Benjamin W.; Zhang, Fuqing; Markowsk, Paul (December 2011): Markowsk --> Markowski. -- Mirokado (talk) 17:58, 17 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
  • Jaimes & Shay 2009: The journal is Monthly Weather Review according to Bibcode and Doi.
  • Kafatos et al. 2006: Geophysical Research Letters uses a CiteID (in this case L17802) to locate each article, and page numbers such as 1–5 for pages within the article. This is an ID within the journal, so not suitable for the |id= parameter which is for unique identifiers. I think it would be OK to use |page=L17802 for this citation. The 1–5 page numbers for the ref callouts are fine. Same applies to other GRL citations. See "In-source locations" in the cite journal documentation.
  • Needham and Keim 2014: The S2CID is 262380488.
  • Rappaport et al. 2010: It looks as if we should say "Rappaport, Edward N." for consistency with the other authors who have second initials, see Bibcode.
  • The {{sfn}} invocations for Jaimes & Shay 2009, Needham and Keim 2014 are inconsistent. {{sfn|Jaimes|Shay|2009|p=4195}} is the more conventional usage, so I would go for that. Please make all the two-author sfn invocations consistent. -- Mirokado (talk) 13:38, 15 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
  • Please update the callouts and citations such as Bender III et al., Didlake Jr. et al., Lee et al. (those are the three I have noticed) to conform with MOS:JR:
    • "When the surname is shown first, the suffix follows the given name", without an extra preceding comma, thus for our citations: Didlake, Anthony C. Jr.; ...
    • "When the given name is omitted, omit the suffix ... except where the context requires disambiguation", thus for our callouts: Bender et al. 2010. -- Mirokado (talk) 19:55, 17 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
  • Knabb, Richard D. (August 24, 2005): The date in the article is August 23, 2005).
  • Hurricane Katrina: A National Still Unprepared: National --> Nation. -- Mirokado (talk) 16:38, 18 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
  • Beven, Jack L.; Berg, Robbie; Hagen, Andrew H. (May 17, 2019): the article lists the authors as: "John L. Beven II, Robbie Berg, and Andrew Hagen".
  • Williams, Jack (September 7, 2012): this should be marked "registration required". The archive is free to read. -- Mirokado (talk) 19:41, 18 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Proposed merge of Timeline of Hurricane Katrina into Meteorological history of Hurricane Katrina

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The result of this discussion was withdrawn. ZZZ'S 10:15, 26 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Articles like this usually don't exist and is created for season articles, not tropical cyclones. Also, the article is poorly sourced with numerous unsourced paragraphs compared to the destination article, which is a GA. For the aftermath, that can be merged into Hurricane Katrina. Do we really need two articles covering the same topic in a different style? ZZZ'S 09:00, 30 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Support - I agree, the article is really redundant when its meteorological history article exists, and it can easily be merged there and the main article for the aftermath section. ~ Sandy14156 (Talk ✉️) 00:04, 1 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
  • Cunard (talk · contribs) - an easy solution is that any of the non-meteorological content can be merged into the Hurricane Katrina article, if it isn't already mentioned. For instance, the evacuations, emergency declarations, FEMA, Superdome, all of that is already in the Katrina article, which also has a chronological order to it: starts with the storm history, the preparations, the actual impacts, and then the aftermath, including, the rescues and the relief packages. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:18, 7 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Oppose – Per other comments here. No reason to try to jam this into another article. United States Man (talk) 18:34, 12 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

  I withdraw my nomination for now. --ZZZ'S 10:15, 26 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

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