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Anonymous asked:

Do you perchance know about where to find Lottie’s Doomcoming dress? Or at least a close replica? I’m eager to find it! Thank you :]

I have not been able to find the actual dress Lottie wears during Doomcoming but here is what I know:

Lottie’s dress has a button up top, a tie waist, and relatively sheer sleeves. The skirt has a white lining under it (though I don’t think you can see it in any of these pictures) and is tiered. The fabric appears to have a a dot texture along with the floral print. I’m also 99.9% sure it is NOT a vintage dress (which I’ve seen a lot of people speculate) because Costume Designer Marie Schley has talked about how they needed multiples of the dresses in order to dirty them up over the course of the episode (I can’t recall off the top of my head which podcast she says this in though). It makes the most sense to me that in order to have multiples of an item of clothing the costume department would just buy a modern clothing item that looks vintage (as trends circle back around every few years and 90s fashion is pretty popular right now).

While I haven’t been able to find the actual dress Lottie wears (I’m still looking), I’ve featured below some kind of close matches that have elements similar to Lottie’s dress.

β€œMikarose Women's The Eden Antique Cream Ditsy Floral Midi Dress” from Amazon. The main difference between this dress and Lottie’s actual dress is the fact that it isn’t a button up, it doesn’t have a tie waist, and it has three tiers instead of 2.

β€œThe Dawn Dress” from Christy Dawn. The main difference is that it doesn’t have tiers and is not a button up. It does have a tie waist.

β€œRuffle Button Down Tiered Maxi Dress” by Sophie & Hailee. It has too many tiers and the neckline has ruffles that Lottie’s doesn’t.

β€œMary Ditsy Print Dress” by Rachel & Roxie. It features a similar sheer element on the sleeves but has too many ruffles, an incorrect neckline, and lace up back. (I have seen this dress listed on a different site β€œShe She Boutique” but I think it might originate on the site I listed.)

I have not looked into the legitimacy of any of the websites or item listings so you might want to do further research before you make a purchase.

If anyone else has any leads on this dress be sure to reach out!

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With the Sophie and Hailee dress, do you think it’s possible that they took off or shortened one of the tiers and used that excess material to create the neck ruffles?

@absolutedoorknob That’s a good theory and it’s possible they could have done that for the doomcoming dress in the show but I don’t think it was done with the Sophie & Hailee dress specifically.

The photo on the right is a closer look at the neckline of the Sophie & Hailee dress and the left is Lottie’s doomcoming dress in the show. The floral print is similar but different on the Sophie & Hailee dress and some of the other details don’t match either like the lack of a tie waist or the fabric in general as it doesn’t have the dotting texture.

That being said, the Sophie & Hailee dress is a close match to Lottie’s dress and is still a great alternative if you’re wanting to recreate the look!

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Anonymous asked:

As a brown Latina, the dumbing down Mari this season for comedic relief (Mari having the” L” backwards as comments like β€œMari’s so dumb she chipped her tooth on her vibrator) didn’t sit right with me especially in todays political climate where we are seeing harmful stereotypes about us being thrown at us from every corner without repercussion.

Then Mari- who is obviously indigenous/mestizo was stripped down, hung from a tree and had her hair taken to dress a white woman.

I feel like this is a show where the writers and show runners pride themselves on being so diverse in different areas but with choices like these and more, it makes you wonder if there were any POC sitting at these table meetings and being involved in these discussions and creative decisions? It doesn’t seem like it.

Hello, it's nice to have another perspective on the matter especially from someone who is Latina, like Mari. But I completely understand what you mean. Now, give me some grace as it has been a minute since I've seen s1 and s2, so some things about Mari's character that I remember mostly revolve around s3. From what I can remember though, she did have moments of great bravery such as going with Akilah to help Nat find Lottie during a snow storm, as well as willingly agreeing to being a decoy so the others could get help, but also that she could scared at times (not only with her screaming in fear during s1, but also seeking comfort in mainly Akilah rather than really anyone else). Due to her being a secondary character who mostly consisted to the background, she didn't have much plot to pull from. But then s3, which was leaning towards making her more crucial to the plot, added more to that. Though, not by much as it seems more so focused on making her this not all there, lacking street smarts kind of girl but for insult purposes or comedic relief. And, while that within itself isn't so bad, it's not great with the fact that Mari is one of the poc characters who isn't given much depth in comparison to her yte counterparts. Paired along with a writer's room that often puts poc in harms way....not very great.

The show even had an opportunity to tie into her standoffish and bratty "mean" girl persona with the mention of her baby cousin. Having to be the only person there while a baby dies is traumatic, but even more so when it's your own family. This trauma could've made Mari develope an outer shell (she's easily snappy, resorting to mean and bratty retorts when unnecessary, seeing any flaws or weaknesses and airing them out, not wanting to tend to those who are sick, I could go on). Her being reluctant to help tend to Lottie and breaking down after could've been a result of her untouched grief. Her instantly clicking with Akilah could've been because she saw the same innocence from her cousin in her. When Shauna was giving birth, that could've been a perfect opportunity for her to grapple with what the loss reminded her of (just hiding it behind "Wilderness, please don't let Shauna die!")

And bringing it back to Mari's intelligence, the way she gravitated toward people in power or with high status so easily should have been noted better. Her connection with Jackie could have been just them being friends, so it would be a given that she rallies behind her. But for Nat and Lottie, this isn't the case or more so in the beginning. Mari makes snippy comments about Lottie and her visions, seeming to hold little interest in her besides deeming her as crazy. But once they're stuck in the cabin for the winter and Lottie becomes prophet like, Mari changes her tune. Could this be because she's afraid and needs something to cling too? Sure, but also it follows the pattern of her and people with status. She's very defensive and protective over Lottie, almost similar to how someone is regarding a religious figures and this impacts their relationship. There's layers too it. However, once Nat becomes queen and others begin to grow dismissive over Lottie and flock to their new leader, Mari follows suit and goes back to throwing insults at Lottie and viewing her as crazy. From what we've seen, Mari an Nat haven't really been that close to one another prior to s3, which shows them being allies. And while this could do with them trying to find rescue and oppose Shauna, Mari taking the time to have a heart to heart with Nat was a surprise. She's often more willingly to show a softer side of herself with those in power than others (with the exception of Akilah and, surprisingly, Gen who regards her [Mari] as her friend).

This could even tie into her protective and defensive nature as well, specifically towards people she cares about. With her easily flocking to people in power, there's a contrast to how she views and treats Shauan. For better or worse, mostly worse, she sews Shauna for who she is and doesn't back down but rather challenges her (to her downfall). There are many instances from the plot that could explain why Mari doesn't vibe with Shauna, from her hurting and indirectly being the reason Jackie dies, to her brutally beating Lottie, to being antagonistic to Nat, to her (as a result of making them have to stay another winter) making Akilah want to die---all of these people are close to Mari and have been harmed, directly and indirectly, by Shauna. So it would make sense that she wouldn't like her nor support her in any way. This also would've made her last words even more impactful, as she really gets the last laugh of karma with Shauna's life in the adult tl falling apart. Chef's kiss.

Season 3 had a lot of opportunities to build up on Mari's character, especially with what they had from the previous two seasons. However, they decided to the fumble the ball over an interesting woc and give more value (and some of her possible plot points) to a random yte girl who said one funny line and that was it, but held no importance further down the line of the plot after. This is a consistent theme with the Yellowjackets writers, who have made many of their woc actresses have to literally beg for more screentime and development for their characters. That within itself isn't a good look, but the lack of racial sensitivity in their script as well shows that there weren't any poc in the writer's room either. Because if there were, I don't think so many, especially Taissa who is a main, would've had their stories pushed to the side or revolving around white characters (eg. Travis). If there was, an Indigenous mentally ill girl wouldn't be brutally beaten by a white girl to help fuel her development and have their relationship never be mentioned again besides her (Lottie) being viewed as an antagonist in Shauna's mind. If there were, then you wouldn't have, not only, most of the Latin characters all die on the show, but have a brown girl be dehumanized by a white girl who took every opportunity she could to be cruel to her and wear her hair as a trophy. If there were poc writers for Yellowjackets, a lot of these implications would've been realized and handled better. And it makes it worse because some in the fandom, largely Shauna fans (though not all) are being either obtuse or purposely dismissive over the complaints. Some saying it's just "payback" for Mari trying to take Jackie's jacket, even though 1.) What Shauna did to Mari is in no way comparable to taking a jacket to use during a blizzard and 2.) Before Mari even dies, Shauna makes her take off her jacket so the comparison was already made by that point. Others are even going as far as to say that Mari is white rather than poc, as a way to dismiss the racial implications and the "Shauna is racist" jokes. And it's so laughable because when you put Mari with the other actual white people on the show, she does not give off white girl vibes, she is definitely a brown girl, like they are lying so hard to justify what Shauna did to her. It's so disgusting.

Sorry if this is all over the place and rather long, my rant would've been better formatted but I'm in class so I was at least trying to answer you before I forgot my thoughts. It's sad that myself and other fans of the show and Mari have come up with a better plot and more development for her than the show ever did, but that often happens a lot especially for characters of color. It's so bad, how Mari was treated, that I have a fic waiting to be made to give her more justice. I don't even think I'll tune in for s4, largely because of the treatment of the poc characters but also just the direction of the show as the writers have now admitted to just focusing on theories and doing whatever they want. This is big because I usually can stick around and/or come back to a show, even with some questionable and critical elements (eg. The TVD series and its spinoffs). But that doesn't necessarily mean that it isn't sad or disappointing, especially with, as you said, the current political climate (killing off most, if not all, your Latin characters and having a brown girl, Crystal, be killed just to serve as a plot device for Misty, a white girl, is not great) and how stereotypes can be harmful, especially towards poc (Simone being reduced to the "disposable black girlfriend/partner" trope, Tai's storyline revolving around yte characters, just to name a few). The Yellowjackets are in the corner, shaking hands with Julie Plec (J Plague) and Stephanie Meyer, which isn't good at all.

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If I’m being honest my only complaint for season 3 is Melissa should not exist, and every plot line in the wilderness could have been tweaked to be Mari. Mari vying for the attention of the leader, as she did the past 2 seasons. Them still petty fighting because that’s the only way she can get Shauna’s attention. Shauna’s violent reaction to Mari walking in on her burying her baby would make more sense. Mari being all high and mighty when they become an item because she’s basically a fucking princess now. Her slowly regretting it as Shauna shows more of her true colors. Shauna crossing a line and Mari’s not able to support her, a huge character arc for her. Them being gay. Mari being pit girl still, playing out exactly the same. If Shauna’s reaction was the same that would show how far over the edge she is. If she actually shows remorse that’s also an arc. Shauna still collecting Mari’s hair and wearing it. Her cutting up Mari herself.

Closing argument: Mari is the most similar to Jackie.

A proposal

Sometimes, in fandom, we just want to write id-tastic fic that rolls around in tropes that might be viewed as problematic. But we don’t want to address the problematic side of things in this particular fanwork; we just want to roll around and wallow.

It is considered courteous to give readers a heads-up via use of AO3 tags. I propose a tag that signals that a given fanwork is for rolling around, not giving a measured evaluation of anything. The MCU has carved out a space for this sort of fic with the β€œHYDRA Trash Party” tag, for which I commend them. Trash Party is a bit too specific to cover all of the ground I’m thinking of here, though; I propose β€œDead Dove: Do Not Eat.”

For those of you not familiar with Arrested Development, Michael Bluth finds a paper bag in the freezer labeled β€œDead Dove: Do Not Eat.” He opens the bag, finds a dead dove, and reacts as follows:

[gif of a white man saying β€œI don’t know what I expected” in a deadpan manner]

The β€œDead Dove: Do Not Eat” tag would essentially be a β€œwhat it says on the tin” metatag, indicating β€œyou see the tropes and concepts tagged here? they are going to appear in this fic. exactly as said. there will not necessarily be any subversion, authorial commentary condemning problematic aspects, or meditation on potential harm. this fic contains dead dove. if you proceed, you should expect to encounter it.”

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my final s3 yj thoughts is there were crumbs of things that i really loved and that will occupy me. i still care VERY deeply abt the characters and also for the actors who both did their best to do something w what they were given this season + were seriously let down by writers over the course of the season.

BUT (1) the pacing of the season was so so off that nothing had Impact in any way that felt realistic, (2) the writers steamrolled over taissa and lottie’s stories to set up for the adult melissa reveal something that was a) unnecessary and b) unwanted and c) racist!, (3) the writers were never able to integrate adult van into the story in a way that allowed taissa’s s3 storyline to feel like an actual continuation of her story in season 1 and even to a degree season 2, and FINALLY (4) it became clearer than Ever that the writers don’t even have a vague idea of what’s going to happen in the past which means things have impact in the present As we see them in the past, creating a bizarre sense of dislocation and not in a fun exploring trauma way but in a Bad Writing way.

anyways. i will continue to have fun w these characters and with the ideas that the show Lights In Me but im like :| :| :| >:(

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I'm honestly so upset and disappointed in the direction they went with Shauna's character this season. They made her devoid of any nuance. She's practically a cartoon villain. It doesn't make any sense for the girl who was crying as she was forced to butcher a 13 year old's body to suddenly be craving violence. If her villain arc was written well, I would be willing to accept it, but it simply felt ridiculous. To change the story from a cult of crazy girls to two evil girls who feel no remorse, something that doesn't align with Shauna's character in the adult timeline whatsoever, is frustrating. You're seriously going to sit here and tell me the only thing Shauna is haunted by 25 years later is Jackie's death? That's it?

Shauna experienced zero humanizing moments this season. Where are her quiet moments of grief and regret? Where is her sweet side? Every bit of complexity is gone. And what the hell happened to her friendship with Tai? Am I really supposed to believe that total cop out line about how Tai "forgot" how crazy Shauna was? Sounds more like an excuse from the writers to me. They didn't properly align s1 adult Shauna with s3 teen Shauna and now they need an explanation as to why.

The show never gave the impression that there would be a single villain. It was meant to be shared among the group. They all do bad things to survive and feed the violent urges within them as they detach from reality. Some might lean into it more than others, but not to this extreme. I truly don't buy that Shauna was supposed to be such a huge driving force for the hunt. The women in the adult timeline, especially Natalie, wouldn't show so much sympathy for her if this were the case. Shauna's villain 'arc' is unrealistic, poorly built up to, and insincere to the original layout of the show.

I found out during our department DEI committee meeting today that the major federal granting agencies (e.g., NSF, NIH) now have "lists of banned words" that, if found, can cause your grant application to basically go into the shredder.

Among the words the government really hates is "transition" (because RaDiCal GenDEr IdEolOGiEs!). Our committee members are all chemists. If you want to study liquid-vapor phase transitions, you're screwed. Transition states in a chemical reaction? Nope.

I'm a mass spectrometrist. My little corner of the analytical chemistryverse uses a technique called "multiple reaction monitoring", where your instrument is simultaneously monitoring a precursor ion and a certain fragment. That specific-combination-of-ions is called a transition.

...I literally can't even talk about fucking mass spectrometry.

But hey, some trans girl in Iowa can't play badminton anymore! Victory! Yeah! Cheaper eggs! Make America Great Again!

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now that i've had a sleep and a think about my core problem with the series, it boils down to two things: it's a fake ensemble, and there aren't enough episodes.

these two issues exacerbate each other.

Dexter, a Showtime original, had 12 episodes during its run. Yellowjackets has 9-10 and just the additional 2-3 episodes would really help with allowing moments in the series to breathe. ideally, it would be a 22 episode series. that would give so much more time to breathe, explore mysteries, and have characters ACTUALLY TALK TO EACH OTHER

just in season 3 we had: - only misty mourning natalie and very little legal or emotional fallout from that - lottie's death also having very little legal or emotional fallout - VAN SITTING DOWN WITH SIMONE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION FINALLY AND THEN NOT HAVING ONE - a four month timeskip in the teen timeline now yellowjackets is technically an ensemble, but it's starring Shauna. back in season one, it actually felt like an ensemble, because we were seeing Taissa's homelife and the fallout of her actions affecting them. we had Misty, and Nat's home lives. they don't have spouses, reputations, or children to care for so they're more "free" to operate as they did in the wilderness. Natalie as the hunter, Misty as the wild card. having four mains--two deeply seated in society, and two living on the fringes of it is fun and dynamic tension. adding Lottie and Van in season two still played on those. Lottie has created a new society all on her own to live in, and Van has decided to trap herself in time, creating a safe time cave to protect herself from integrating into society again. neither of them are paying taxes. if the thesis statement of the show is: THEY CAN NEVER GO BACK then this is a good way to show how each of them avoid doing that. Tai and Shauna's lives exploding because THEY CAN NEVER GO BACK makes thematic sense.

but, it doesn't feel earned. important conversations that should be long scenes are turned into throwaway lines or brief phone calls. as the show races on, it becomes PLOT, PLOT, PLOT, with no moment for characters to stop and react and talk about what's happened.

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i finally realised the main reason i was so dissatisfied with the final. its because of how tame all the girls were 😭 in the pilot, we see a bunch of teenage girls going feral and ritualistically hunting down their friend, not saying a single world, just screaming and making animal noises. It’s like they aren’t even human anymore, they’ve all seemingly gone completely insane, they strip the body naked, slit her throat, and finally they eat her. wordlessly, they eat their friend, seemingly complicit and with no regrets. Its interesting, And then the final rolls around and its like β€œhey so they were actually all sane and didn’t want to eat her and were all forced into it by big scaaaary shauna while also planning their escape” and it feels like such a BORING COPOUT πŸ’”πŸ’”πŸ’”πŸ’”πŸ’” for a show thats meant to be about insane cannibals, the writers seem very scared to actually make all their characters fucked up, so they made shauna and lottie their big evil villains and make everything bad that happens their doing, while painting the others as these good sane heroes fighting back against the crazy girls, this is NAWT the crazy cannibals i signed up for✊

I agree with Rosenberg.

A reminder that Trump doesn't play 4D chess. His critics impose 4D chess narratives on his reckless impulsivity in order to reassure themselves that there is method to the madness, when there just isn't.

Agreed. He's not even playing checkers. Trump is playing madlibs while resolutely refusing to read the context or the prompts, then is getting mad at everyone but himself when the result sucks. That is... he's placing blame if he isn't trying to convince people the slop that he came up with is better than Shakespear.

you can be peeling a boiled egg and think to yourself wow. that was so simple. and then you peel another one and it’s like being in the throes of war. shell everywhere. egg mangled. tears in your eyes. that’s how god keeps you humble

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Unless they bring in some siblings for some of the Yellowjackets it actually makes a lot of sense that this group of only children devolve so quickly into extreme violence and murder. You're telling me not one of these girls ever had to share a room or race for the bathroom or have vicious physical and verbal fights where you apologise by asking to play just dance together. They now have to live together, without food or proper shelter. If either Shauna or Jackie had a sister their fight would have been such a non issue are you kidding.

okay but if you ever see a male creative who had a string of great work and then everything else he did was dogshit, go to the "personal life" part of his wikipedia and look at his relationships. you'll either find a major tragedy he didn't recover from (completely understandable) or, more likely, there was a woman in his life doing uncredited shit editing his stuff or contributing generally and she's not there anymore.

I told a friend about this phenomenon in literature and he called me weeks later like, I remembered what you said about women doing uncredited work when tim burton came up. he made a string of bangers then everything else just was nowhere near as good. the timeline matches perfectly to when he was with this german visual artist (lena gieseke). he's done some good work in collaboration, but if things were dug into I suspect we would find she did a lot more than people realise.

so yeah whenever you look around like wow women didn't work in history, or, women aren't auteurs, or, there just aren't as many great female writers - societal reasons for that aside, half the time they absolutely did.

Hell yeah

I for one welcome our transvestite overlords fuck yeah

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