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==Mexico==
Hello Growupon

I need your help with the [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Same-sex_marriage_in_Mexico.svg Mexican marriage equality map]. I was trying to stripe the state of Tlaxcala tan (#E4D69D) and blue (#0066FF) to reflect recent changes there. However, for a bizarre reason it doesn't work so I was hoping you could help me. [[User:Jedi Friend|Jedi Friend]] ([[User talk:Jedi Friend|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:07, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
:Hi there. I actually have no knowledge of how to hatch images on SVG files. I wanted to thank you for hatching Estonia as no on else was doing so. I can only add strips when another user has already done so, because all you do then is pick that pattern from the options. I don't know ho to make a pattern myself. --[[User:Growupon|Growupon]] ([[User talk:Growupon#top|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 01:13, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
:Oh I see. When I striped Estonia I simply copied another pattern and then changed the colors and the "id" numbers. I thought it would be similar for other files. Thank you anyway [[User:Jedi Friend|Jedi Friend]] ([[User talk:Jedi Friend|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]])
::Okay I'll try to look around and tell you how it goes. --[[User:Growupon|Growupon]] ([[User talk:Growupon#top|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 01:30, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

==Same sex relationship in europe==
Hello Growupon

I don't understand why you deleted Italy as a country which recognizes marriages performed abroad in the map from this page [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Europe]. I also added this source [http://www.west-info.eu/italian-court-recognizes-gay-marriage-officiated-abroad-for-the-first-time/] that explains the judgement by Italian Supreme Court. I hope you answer me. {{unsigned2|14:49, 24 February 2017|Ikletatis}}
:Can you provide the link of the map you're talking about. I don't seem to understand which one that is. --[[User:Growupon|Growupon]] ([[User talk:Growupon#top|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:08, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
::Of course. The link of the map i refer is this: [[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/Same-sex_marriage_map_Europe_detailed2.svg.png]]
::How you can see, i change the colour of Italy using stripes in blue and light blue, as malta and estonia. {{unsigned2|15:18, 24 February 2017|Ikletatis}}
::I have seen you changed again the map. In fact now is this: [[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/Same-sex_marriage_map_Europe_detailed.svg]], but it's not correct. Italy would have also the light blue color as Malta and Estonia {{unsigned2|15:24, 24 February 2017|Ikletatis}}
:::You said I deleted Italy but that's not true. Italy was never added in the first place. I have not heard about Italy recognizing foreign same-sex marriages. I'll review the source you provided and then come to a conclusion. If you want you can start a discussion about this on the talk page of the map. --[[User:Growupon|Growupon]] ([[User talk:Growupon#top|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:26, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
:::From the information I have gathered, it seems unclear if this is a one time recognition or if it will become a regular practice. Italy was never mentioned as a country that recognizes foreign marriages on any of the Wikipedia articles. There isn't even any mention of it at all. Again, you can start a discussion about the issue on the talk page of the map. --[[User:Growupon|Growupon]] ([[User talk:Growupon#top|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 17:39, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
:::::Well, i think we have different point of view. The decision of the Supreme Court maybe won't become a regular practice. If there is this doubt, it's better if Italy remains only with blue color which indicates 'civil union'. But in this case, also Estonia would return only with blue color for civil union. Indeed, in Estonia there's no a specifical law or lagislation about the recognition of marriage performed abroad. There's only a judgement of the court of Tallin, which is exactly the same situation happened in Italy. Unfortunately, i can't start a discussion about this on the talk of page of the map cause i'm not very practiced with Wikipedia and that's why i talk to you. {{unsigned2|18:00, 24 February 2017|Ikletatis}}
::::::This is not a matter of having different points of views, this is a matter of facts. In the case of Estonia the court of Tallinn specifically said that all marriages performed abroad must be recognized upon the two individuals residing in Estonia or receiving Estonian citizenship. In the source you provided the ruling of the court was directed at the specific case and no further notices were made. --[[User:Growupon|Growupon]] ([[User talk:Growupon#top|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:25, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
:::::::The fact is a bit different. The civil union law by Monica Cirinnà says that marriage performed abroad between two foreign citizens are automatically ricognized in Italy. On the other side, marriage performed abroad between two italian citizens are ricognized in italy as a civil union. The case of the Court of Cassation is a little particular cause one of these woman had iure sanguinis italian citizenship. And that's why i think that Italy would have also the light blue color, 'cause even if it doesn't recognized all marriages performed abroad, a part of them will be recognized, regardless the Suprem Court's decision. I have also the evidence and source, but are all in italian.
::::::::Please provide those sources. I have not heard about the civil union bill including recognizing foreign same-sex marriages. --[[User:Growupon|Growupon]] ([[User talk:Growupon#top|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:24, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Here for you, it's a declaretion by Monica Cirinnà (the promoter of civil unions in Italy): http://www.alleyoop.ilsole24ore.com/2017/02/15/monica-cirinna-con-le-unioni-civili-e-appena-iniziato-il-cammino-verso-luguaglianza/?uuid=106_ry5LsB9y&refresh_ce=1.                                                                                          

The point is this: ''per i matrimoni contratti all’estero tra persone dello stesso sesso, si precisa che la produzione degli effetti dell’unione civile nel nostro Paese è limitata ai soli matrimoni celebrati tra cittadini italiani. Per i cittadini stranieri valgono le leggi del Paese di origine. Ciò significa che, se i Paesi di origine di entrambi i membri della coppia omosex permettono il matrimonio, la loro unione verrà registrata in Italia come un matrimonio a tutti gli effetti. La conseguenza fondamentale è che la disciplina (estera) del matrimonio same-sex farà, solo in questi casi, formale ingresso nel nostro ordinamento. Penso che questo potrebbe a breve creare un varco per l’introduzione del matrimonio egualitario per tutti, cittadini italiani compresi, anche nel nostro ordinamento;''

Here i translate it for you (sorry for my bad english):

''for marriages contracted abroad between persons of the same sex, it should be noted that the production of civil union effects in our country is limited to marriages between Italian citizens. Foreign citizens are subject to the laws of the country of origin. This means that, if the countries of origin of both members of the couple allow homosexual marriage, their union will be registered in Italy as a marriage in every respect. The fundamental consequence is that the discipline (foreign) of the same-sex marriage will do, only in these cases, formal entry into our law. I think this could soon create an opening for the introduction of egalitarian marriage for all, including Italian citizens, also in our system;''

:If this tendency does really continue in Italy then it may be coloured in the future. Until then, I really don't see much point to colouring it as a country that recognizes foreign marriage as there is simply too much uncertainty over the subject. I once again would like to remind you that you can start a discussion about this issue on the talk page of the map, or perhaps any of the talks pages of the Wikipedia articles. --[[User:Growupon|Growupon]] ([[User talk:Growupon#top|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:01, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

== Please sign your postings ==
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== Countries of Europe ==

I noticed you edited {{t|Countries of Europe/sandbox}} and are making changes to subpages. For your information, the template is now implemented with [[Module:Countries]]. I put the old template wikitext in the sandbox so its results can easily be compared with those of the new {{t|Countries of Europe}} which invokes the module. One significant difference (and the motivation for the change) is that the module is much faster and uses much less memory. I put your changes in [[Module:Countries/Europe/sandbox]] but I haven't got time to test them at the moment. The best way to test it would be to replace the contents of {{t|Countries of Europe/sandbox}} with
:<code><nowiki>{{#invoke:Countries/sandbox|main|Europe}}</nowiki></code>
Then use <code><nowiki>{{Countries of Europe/sandbox}}</nowiki></code> in a sandbox. I'll do that in 24 hours or so, or you may like to do it sooner. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 10:46, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
:Now I think about it, the template is only needed to specify parameters. I am copying the invoke above to display the result here, using no parameters. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:00, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
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::Yeah I was trying to replace Nagorno-Karabakh with the state's new name, Artsakh, but was very confused as to what I was supposed to do. Thanks for the help. --[[User:Growupon|Growupon]] ([[User talk:Growupon#top|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 20:30, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
:::I made the change and Artsakh is now live although some pages will need to be purged before it appears. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 04:45, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
::::Thank you!--[[User:Growupon|Growupon]] ([[User talk:Growupon#top|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 18:08, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
: Note that all translations are from Wikidata labels... [[User:Verdy p|verdy_p]] ([[User talk:Verdy p|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 19:43, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

== World same-sex marriage map ==
Hey, can you change the same-sex marriage recognition color back to the way it was? It doesn't make since to have light green (SSM recognition) above medium blue (Civil Unions). Also, the map was not originally supposed to have stripes either since the legend says "colors higher in the list override those lower down". [[User:Prcc27|Prcc27]] ([[User talk:Prcc27|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:54, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

== LGBT rights in the EU ==

You marked same-sex marriage as banned in Romania (-> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:LGBT_rights_in_the_EU.svg). That's incorrect. There's a proposal to ban, yes, but that hasn't passed (yet?). --[[User:LiterallySimon|LiterallySimon]] ([[User talk:LiterallySimon|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 12:55, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

== Bans on same-sex unions by country.svg ==

Please change Australia's colour from red to grey since it has legalised same-sex marriage. Thanks. --[[User:Agent5514|Agent5514]] ([[User talk:Agent5514|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 14:01, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

== Same-sex marriage map ==

Please stop screwing with the map. If you don't like it showing legal decisions like this, then either argue for a change on the talk page or create your own map. [[User:Kwamikagami|Kwamikagami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 07:46, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
:Are you seriously doing this right now? I started a discussion on your page while you keep edit warring. You are the one adding a bunch of new information to the map that hasn't been previously shown even adding a new category so it is you "screwing with the map" if anything, and if you get reverted for adding this new information then you must find your way to the talk page and discuss the reasons for adding your change. You bring the point of IDONTLIKEIT but once again it is you who is adding this new information and pushing it without any discussion or consensus. I have given you many warning at this point and asked you to co-operate by even starting a discussion about the topic on your talk page. If you continue to edit war and push your version of the map without any discussion or consensus, you will be reported. I will leave a message about this on your talk page one more time as a final warning. --[[User:Growupon|Growupon]] ([[User talk:Growupon#top|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 11:24, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Stop your disruption. If you have any evidence for your objections, present them. Otherwise you're merely noise to be reverted. [[User:Kwamikagami|Kwamikagami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 23:47, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

:You are pushing changes that were never discussed and I am not "noise" if I urge you to do that. --[[User:Growupon|Growupon]] ([[User talk:Growupon#top|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 02:49, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
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== LGBT law Algeria ==

Hi Growupon,

You changed the Africa map w the summary "Chad's new penal code took effect in August". But you also changed Algeria to yellow. I can't see any evidence for that, so I'm changing it back. If you did it intentionally, can you provide sources, please? We should add them to the WP-en article as well. [[User:Kwamikagami|Kwamikagami]] ([[User talk:Kwamikagami|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 21:24, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
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Yours sincerely, [[User:Magog the Ogre|Magog the Ogre]] ([[User talk:Magog the Ogre|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Magog the Ogre|contribs]]) 23:29, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
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