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: Fixed. What was requested was to put a valid licence template like {{tl|cc-by-2.0}}. Please note that this photo is not self-made, that's why I changed the "source" field. You can add some information stating that you did the cropping if you want. — [[User:Xhienne|Xavier]], 15:43, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
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Thank you. [[User:BotMultichillT|BotMultichillT]] ([[User talk:BotMultichillT|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 21:59, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
*[[:Image:Alfa159Mercedes196.jpg]] is uncategorized since 25 November 2008. [[User:BotMultichillT|BotMultichillT]] ([[User talk:BotMultichillT|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 21:59, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
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== Chi fa da sè... ==

Usa <tt><nowiki>{{rename|New name.jpg|Misspelled}}</nowiki></tt>, per favore.--[[User:Trixt|Trixt]] ([[User talk:Trixt|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 18:31, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

: Basta che lo inserisci nella pagina di descrizione dell'immagine.--[[User:Trixt|Trixt]] ([[User talk:Trixt|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 13:28, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

== Image:Weiler i.A. Gruber-Museum Yamaha 250 ccm TR2.JPG ==

Dear Ligabo, thank you very much for your contribution. I checked the situation today at the Gruber-Museum and I talked with the boss, the racing driver Toni Gruber. They all (including me, the photographer) apologize the error. The Gruber-team had taken away the Yamaha for an exposition and replaced by the AJS without changing the ticket. In the near future I will upload the right Yamaha image and create a new image for the AJS with your description. Thank you once again. --[[User:Fredou|Fredou]] ([[User talk:Fredou|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 17:55, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

== Foto ==

Ciao. La regole dei 70 anni dopo la pubblicazione per opere anonime si applica solo ad opere veramente anonime, ovvero bisogna provare che l'autore è davvero sconosciuto, e non semplicemente "non lo so chi è l'autore". Quindi generalmente occorre fornire un link ad una pagina in cui viene indicato che l'opera è ufficialmente e sicuramente di autore anonimo.--[[User:Trixt|Trixt]] ([[User talk:Trixt|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 19:34, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

: Non penso basti la mancanza di indicazioni sull'opera, occorre un qualche dato per poter applicare quel tipo di norma sul diritto d'autore. Siccome la norma si basa [http://www.interlex.it/testi/l41_633.htm#27 sull'articolo 27 LDA], credo che occorra dimostrare in qualche modo che certamente "l'autore non si è rivelato". Non ho altra esperienza in merito per essere più preciso, questo è quello che ho sempre letto qui su Commons. Ad esempio, ricordo [[Commons:Deletion requests/Image:19julio36.jpg|questa procedura di cancellazione]].--[[User:Trixt|Trixt]] ([[User talk:Trixt|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 15:20, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

== Looks unidentified to me ==

http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Issaquah_-_Hailstone_Feed_Store_-_Bugatti_01.jpg&diff=25129363&oldid=24584895: why remove [[:Category:Unidentified vehicles]]? There is question there, in the description, as to just what this is. - [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] ! [[User talk:Jmabel|talk]] 22:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


== [[:File:Alfa Romeo G1 1921.jpg]] ==
{{Autotranslate|1=File:Alfa Romeo G1 1921.jpg|base=Copyvionote}} --[[User:Túrelio|Túrelio]] ([[User talk:Túrelio|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 13:40, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

:L'immagine rimossa [[File:Alfa Romeo G1 1921.jpg]] era stata scaricata da flickr, [http://www.flickr.com/photos/41364417@N04/3817604010/] dove è inserita con licenza CC-sa-2.0. In ogni caso, se qualcuno ha verificato trattarsi di copyviol, nessun problema. Alla prossima.
:*Traduzione automatica: Image removed [[File: Alfa Romeo G1 1921.jpg]] had been discharged from Flickr [http://www.flickr.com/photos/41364417@N04/3817604010/] where it is incorporated under license CC-sa-2.0. In any case, if anyone has checked question of copyviol, no problem. Bye. --[[User:Ligabo|Ligabo]] ([[User talk:Ligabo#top|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 07:58, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
::Hi Ligabo, it was tagged as copyvio because it was also found [http://www.italiaspeed.com/2005/events/pebble_beach/preview/alfa_romeo/alfa_romeo_g1.html here] with a photographer credit and (C) and dated from 2005. And somehow, this page seemed to be the more real source than Flickr, which dated the image from 2009. However, if you can provide any evidence to the contrary, I'll be glad to undelete it. --[[User:Túrelio|Túrelio]] ([[User talk:Túrelio#top|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 08:06, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Nessuna prova del contrario. Anzi, hai fatto un ottimo intervento. Buon lavoro e ciao. 
:::*Automatic translation: No evidence to the contrary. In fact, you did a great speech. Good job and hello.
:::--[[User:Ligabo|Ligabo]] ([[User talk:Ligabo|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 12:57, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

== Raduno auto storiche di Medole ==

Il nome della categoria [[:Category:Raduno Auto Storiche di Medole|Raduno Auto Storiche di Medole]] è corretto al singolare perché ritengo sia la sua denominazione. Il plurale avrebbe senso se ritenessi di doverla suddividere poi in altre categorie ad esempio per anno (ma visto sono meno di 100 non ne vedo la necessità). In quel caso andrebbe creata con il nome in inglese e non in italiano (''Historic auto shows of Medole'' o qualcosa di simile). --[[User:Luigi Chiesa|Luigi Chiesa]] ([[User talk:Luigi Chiesa|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 08:26, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

:Categorizzarlo come evento è la cosa corretta, ma non sono riuscito a trovare la denominazione ufficiale. Se non esiste allora metterò il titolo come suggerisci. --[[User:Luigi Chiesa|Luigi Chiesa]] ([[User talk:Luigi Chiesa|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 10:38, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

::Ok, fatto. Controlla se servono altre categorie. --[[User:Luigi Chiesa|Luigi Chiesa]] ([[User talk:Luigi Chiesa|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 11:15, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

== File:Ronchi lith. - Cacciatori delle Alpi a Lodrone (16 luglio 1866) - litografia - ca. 1870.jpg ==

Hello. You asked for "[[:File:Ronchi lith. - Cacciatori delle Alpi a Lodrone (16 luglio 1866) - litografia - ca. 1870.jpg]]" to be renamed to "[[:File:Battaglia di Lodrone 1866.jpg]]". Can you explain to me why the original name is wrong? I did not understand your reason for your request. Thanks. — Cheers, [[User:Jacklee|<span style="color:#CE2029">Jack</span><span style="color:#800000">'''Lee'''</span>]] <sup>–[[User talk:Jacklee|talk]]–</sup> 17:14, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
::Ciao. Hai chiesto di rinominare "File:. Lith Ronchi - Cacciatori delle Alpi Lodrone (luglio 16 1866) - litografia - 1870.jpg ca." in "File: Battaglia di Lodrone 1866.jpg. Può spiegarmi perché il nome originale è sbagliato? Io non capisco il motivo della tua richiesta. Grazie. - Cheers
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== [[:Category:Ducati motorcycles]] ==

Hi! Sorry I don't speek Italian. As I understand you want me to delete these categories. I am not an admin here - only admins can delete categories or files. I marked them to speedy deletation. In near future an admin will delete them. Regards [[User:Electron|Electron]]&nbsp;[[File:Smiley kabelsalat.gif|18px]] <sup>[[User Talk:Electron|''&lt;Talk?&gt;'']]</sup> 18:05, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Ciao! Mi dispiace di non fare speek italiano. Mi pare di capire che vuoi che io eliminare questi categories. I non sono un admin qui - gli amministratori possono eliminare solo categoris o file. Li ho segnato a deletation veloce. In un prossimo futuro un amministratore li eliminerà. Saluti [[User:Electron|Electron]]&nbsp;[[File:Smiley kabelsalat.gif|18px]] <sup>[[User Talk:Electron|''&lt;Talk?&gt;'']]</sup> 18:05, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

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{{Autotranslate|1=File:Laverda_750_SF.jpg|base=Image source}} [[User:Deerstop|<span style="font: 89% trebuchet ms; text-transform: uppercase;"> deerstop</span>]]. 17:29, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

== Lombardi Lucciola ==

[[Image:SEAT 850 4-door.jpg|thumb|right|Lombardi-bodied Fiat]]
[[Image:Seat 850 with 4 doors Sevilla.jpg|thumb|right|Standard 4-door SEAT, with longer and rounder doors]]

Wow! I was confused by your recategorizing of the 4-door SEAT 850s, as I had never heard of the Lucciola before. Turns out that the photo I uploaded (top) is actually of a <u>Fiat</u> 850 Lucciola, while the other one is a standard 4-door SEAT (no Francis Lombardi involvement at all). [http://www.francislombardi.org/index.php/cars/fiat/fiat-850-lombardi This website] has two pictures a bit down on the page where you can compare the rear doors, the differences of which becomes quite apparent if you study the two photos closer. Once I took the time to zoom in on the top photo, the "Lucciola" trim also becomes quite legible, as do the "Fiat" logos on the hubcaps. The Lucciola also seems to sit on a shorter wheelbase.

Thank you, if you hadn't known about the Lucciola, none would have ever been the wiser! I am requesting a name change for the incorrectly named Fiat. [[User:Mr.choppers|Mr.choppers]] ([[User talk:Mr.choppers|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 07:38, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

[''Wow! Sono stato confuso dal tuo recategorizing del 850S a 4 porte SEAT, come non avevo mai sentito parlare della Lucciola prima. Si scopre che la foto che ho caricato (in alto) è in realtà di una Fiat 850 Lucciola, mentre l'altra è un sedile standard a 4 porte (senza coinvolgimento Francis Lombardi a tutti). Questo sito ha due immagini un po 'giù nella pagina dove è possibile confrontare le porte posteriori, le differenze di cui diventa molto evidente se si studiano le due foto più vicini. Una volta ho avuto il tempo per ingrandire la foto in alto, la "Lucciola" trim diventa anche abbastanza leggibile, così come la "Fiat" logo sul coprimozzi. La Lucciola sembra anche a sedersi su un interasse più corto.'']

[''Grazie, se non avesse saputo della Lucciola, nessuno sarebbe mai stato il più saggio! Sto chiedendo un cambio di nome per il modo errato di nome Fiat.'']

:Scusami se non rispondo con esattezza, ma la traduzione automatica spesso non mi consente di comprendere perfettamente il mio interlocutore. La SEAT ha venduto due modelli di "850 4p": il primo identico alla "Lucciola" e realizzato dalla Francis Lombardi e il secondo con passo allungato prodotto da Carrocerías Costa. La paternità del modello "SEAT 85o 4p" è generalmente attribuita a Francis Lombardi. --[[User:Ligabo|Ligabo]] ([[User talk:Ligabo#top|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 09:37, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
:[''Sorry if I do not answer exactly, but the machine translation often does not allow me to fully understand my partner. SEAT has sold two models of "850 4p": the first is identical to the "Lucciola" and produced by Francis Lombardi and the second with a longer wheelbase produced by Carrocerías Costa. The authorship of the model "SEAT 850 4p" is generally attributed to Francis Lombardi.'']

Never mind. It's OK now ;) '''<font face="times new roman">[[User:Micki|<span style="background:#91A3B0;color:#fff;padding:0 4px">micki</span>]][[User talk:Micki|<span style="background:#666;padding:0 4px;color:#fff;">t</span>]]</font>''' 10:05, 1 December 2010 (UTC) [''Non importa. É OK ora;)'']

== Renaming of "File:LambrettaModelC123cc.jpg" ==

Hi. You need to fix the {{tl|rename}} tag you placed on "[[:File:LambrettaModelC123cc.jpg]]" as it does not state what the new filename should be. Thanks. — Cheers, [[User:Jacklee|<span style="color:#CE2029">Jack</span><span style="color:#800000">'''Lee'''</span>]] <sup>–[[User talk:Jacklee|talk]]–</sup> 17:55, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

== [[:File:0405.Annabell_002-2.jpg]] ==
{{Autotranslate|1=File:0405.Annabell_002-2.jpg|2=|3=|base=Idw}} &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:Wikitanvir|Tanvir]]&nbsp;&bull; 14:40, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

== [[:File:Cascari1-2.jpg]] ==
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== [[:File:59120145_Whore,_Berlin_2001-2.JPG]] ==
{{Autotranslate|1=File:59120145_Whore,_Berlin_2001-2.JPG|2=|3=|base=Idw}} [[User:Leyo|Leyo]] 15:13, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

== [[:File:Jane_-_Rio_-_2006-2.jpg]] ==
{{Autotranslate|1=File:Jane_-_Rio_-_2006-2.jpg|2=|3=|base=Idw}} [[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 20:17, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

== [[:File:59120064_German_whores_in_backstage,_freshing_up_their_Make-Up,_Berlin_2001-2.JPG]] ==
{{Autotranslate|1=File:59120064_German_whores_in_backstage,_freshing_up_their_Make-Up,_Berlin_2001-2.JPG|2=|3=|base=Idw}} [[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 20:18, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

== Insurrezione di Palermo o Presa? ==

Ti segnalo che il nome [[:Category:Presa di Palermo]] è sbagliato, infatti nella letteratura si usa il termine ''Insurrezione'' (vedi [[:it:Insurrezione di Palermo]]) in quanto anche la popolazione della città è insorta e non si è trattato di un'azione esclusivamente militare come potrebbe far pensare il termine ''Presa''. Credo quindi che sarebbe il caso di cancellare la categoria trasferendo le immagini presenti in [[:Category:Insurrezione di Palermo (1860)]]. Spero che anche tu sia d'accordo, comunque fammi sapere.[[User:GJo|GJo]] ([[User talk:GJo|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 15:51, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

:Che ne dici di [[:Category:Insurrezione di Palermo (maggio 1860)]] o del più neutro [[:Category:Combattimenti di Palermo (maggio 1860)]]? Al limite potremmo tradurre il tutto in inglese come consigliato dalle linee-guida.[[User:GJo|GJo]] ([[User talk:GJo|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 19:43, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

::Purtroppo non sono d'accordo; per quanto riguarda Palermo nella bibliografia che ho usata nella compilazione della voce vengono più che altro usati i termini ''Insurrezione...'' ([http://www.google.it/search?q=google&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:it:official&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy&hl=it&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:it%3Aofficial&tbs=bks:1&q=insurrezione+palermo+1860&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=f54fb762061a41a8 6.930 risultati]) o ''Combattimenti...'' ([http://www.google.it/search?q=google&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:it:official&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy&hl=it&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:it%3Aofficial&tbs=bks:1&q=combattimenti+palermo+1860&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=f54fb762061a41a8 2.580 risultati]) mentre ''Resa...'', che descrive solo l'atto finale dell'avvenimento, ha solo [http://www.google.it/search?q=google&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:it:official&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy&hl=it&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:it%3Aofficial&tbs=bks:1&q=resa+palermo+1860&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=f54fb762061a41a8 1.390 risultati]. Non mi sembra inoltre il caso di standardizzare il nome per le altre località che hanno spesso dei nomi usati diffusamente nella storiografia. C'è anche da dire che non ho nuove proposte da fare; direi di evitare di complicarci ulteriormente la vita e di usare la categoria ''Presa...'' ([http://www.google.it/search?q=google&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:it:official&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy&hl=it&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:it%3Aofficial&tbs=bks:1&q=presa+palermo+1860&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=f54fb762061a41a8 2.640 risultati]). Scusa quindi per la perdita di tempo.[[User:GJo|GJo]] ([[User talk:GJo|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 11:56, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

==Categories==
[[User:SuperTank17]] has been changing categories around like a crazy person. Here is an example of what he did to Polski Fiat 125p:

<categorytree>Polski Fiat 125p</categorytree> (click the plus signs to expand)

There is an ongoing discussion here: [[Commons:Categories for discussion/2010/11/Category:Polski Fiat 125p MR'75/MR'76/MR'77/MR'78/MR'79/MR'80/MR'81/MR'82]], please feel free to join in. [[User:Mr.choppers|Mr.choppers]] ([[User talk:Mr.choppers|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 02:53, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

== Giovani fasciste ==

[http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Gruppo_Fasciste.jpeg&curid=3699939&diff=48766699&oldid=48744390] [http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Giovane_Fascista.jpeg&curid=3699891&diff=48766682&oldid=48744479] [http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Giovani_Fasciste.jpeg&curid=3699898&diff=48766696&oldid=48744401] Una definizione errata è un errore: cosa c'entra il "consenso" ? [''An incorrect definition is a mistake: what does the "consensus" ?''] --[[User:Ligabo|Ligabo]] ([[User talk:Ligabo|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 09:41, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

:You would need to show that others are in agreement with this change.  The requested name differs from the article title that the images are used on.  Perhaps a discussion on the talk page of [[it:Giovane Fascista]], where the images are used. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 14:10, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

::Non è un "cambiamento", ma una "correzione". Puoi verificare che le ragazze non sono "Giovani Fasciste" ingrandendo la foto per leggere la scritta sulla bandiera. La correzione nella voce di it.wiki non sono in grado di farle, ma puoi avvertirli tu. Ciao. 
::[''It is not a "change" but a "correction". You can verify that the girls are not "Young Fascist" by enlarging the picture to read the writing on the flag. The correction in the voice of it.wiki [[w:it:utente:Ligabo|can not make them]], but you can warn them. Hello.'']
::--[[User:Ligabo|Ligabo]] ([[User talk:Ligabo|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 14:36, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

:::Thanks for pointing out the flag.  I agree to make the change. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Adrignola|Adrignola]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:Adrignola|talk]]</small> 14:45, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
::::Grazie a te per la cortesia. Alla prossima. [''Thank you for your kindness. Until next time.''] --[[User:Ligabo|Ligabo]] ([[User talk:Ligabo|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 15:39, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

== Roberto Michelucci ==

La ringrazio per aver sistemato la foto di Roberto Michelucci, da solo non ce l'avrei mai fatta --[[User:Stefantonio|Stefantonio]] ([[User talk:Stefantonio|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 12:56, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

== Copyfraud ==

Commons does not accept not public domain images, but Commons also does not like [[:en:copyfraud|copyfraud]] claims on public domain works. What is your original authorship on [[:File:Varese 1859.jpg]] that justifies, 
* that you demand attribution to you if anyone is reusing this public domain work by an creator who died 1929? Note, that scanning something does not provide you any original authorship, see {{tl|PD-Scan}}, the work itself is {{tl|PD-old}}
* whats your reason to deface historic artworks with ugly watermarks while anyone will be able to make a scan of the same book of the same artwork without the "cc-by-sa" pollution? Isnt it enough that you add a copyfraud claim to the file descriptions already? Is it realy necessary to also destroy the integrity of the original work with this and make this artwork useless for any educatioanl purpose with this?
--[[User:Martin H.|Martin H.]] ([[User talk:Martin H.|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 16:59, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
<removed robot translation of my above text>
::'''Nessuna frode, nessuna distruzione. Prego.''' Spero che la traduzione automatica mi abbia consentito di capire quello che hai detto e consenta a te di capire ciò che dico. 
::*Le immagini caricate sono scansioni di opere appartenenti alla mia collezione che io cedo a Wikipedia Commons secondo le condizioni previste dalla licenza CC-BY-SA-3.0. 
::*Se tu hai immagini migliori puoi sostituirle. 
::*Se credi che così non possano essere utilizzate da Wikipedia Commons, puoi cancellarle; è una decisione che spetta a te. 
::*Come regalare la mia roba, credo sia una decisione che spetti a me. 
::[''automatic translation:'''No fraud, no destruction. Please.'''. I hope that machine translation has allowed me to understand what you said and allow you to understand what I say. 
::*The images are uploaded scans of works belonging to my collection that I yield to the Wikimedia Commons under the conditions laid down by the CC-BY-SA-3.0. 
::*If you have the best images you can replace them. 
::*If you believe that it can not be used by Wikipedia articles, you can delete them is a decision that is up to you. 
::*How to give away my stuff, I think it is a decision up to me.'']
::--[[User:Ligabo|Ligabo]] ([[User talk:Ligabo#top|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 17:28, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

:::«Come regalare la '''mia''' roba, credo sia una decisione che spetti a me.» Obviously you not understand the concept of intelectual property. You dont own any copyright on this works, they are [[:it:Pubblico_dominio|public domain]]. You can not demand any attribution. Anyone can remove your text and your watermarks, at best you remove it yourself. --[[User:Martin H.|Martin H.]] ([[User talk:Martin H.|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 18:01, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
:::[''«Come regalare la '''mia''' roba, credo sia una decisione che spetti a me.» Ovviamente non si capisce il concetto di proprietà intellettuale. Tu non possiede alcun diritto d'autore su questo funziona, sono di pubblico dominio. Non si può esigere qualsiasi attribuzione. Chiunque può rimuovere il testo e filigrane, nella migliore delle ipotesi lo si rimuove da soli.'']
::::Io ho rispettato le condizioni della licenza CC-BY-SA-3.0. Tu, al contrario, dicendo che "chiunque può rimuovere il testo e filigrane", non le rispetti. Sono dispiaciuto che tu non riesca a capire un concetto tanto semplice. Non credo ci sia altro da aggiungere. Buona serata. 
::::[''I have respected the conditions of the license CC-BY-SA-3.0. You, on the contrary, saying that "anyone can remove the text and watermarks", do not want to respect them. I'm sorry you can not understand a concept so simple. I do not think there's something to add. Good evening'']
::::--[[User:Ligabo|Ligabo]] ([[User talk:Ligabo#top|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 18:22, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

:::::You ≠ Copyright holder. And You ≠ Licensor. Therfore any license you grant on files that you not have any intelectual property on  can be considered invalid. Its not a question of respecting a license. Its a question of removing invalid information. Invalid information is trash information that you added on the files in an attempt of illegal copyfraud. --[[User:Martin H.|Martin H.]] ([[User talk:Martin H.|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 18:42, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

::::::Io, detentore della pubblicazione PD = Io, possessore dei diritti della copia. Anastatica o modificata.<br/>Come vedi, le nostre opinioni divergono, ma la soluzione del caso è molto semplice: se le immagini rilasciate in quel modo non sono compatibili con l'uso in Wikimedia Commons, è sufficiente cancellarle. Io, certamente, non voglio imporre nulla e non mi opporrò alla cancellazione. Se le immagini verranno cancellate eviterò di caricarne altre.<br/>Tu sei l'amministratore: decidi tu. Nell'attesa sospendo ulteriori caricamenti dalla mia collezione di immagini storiche. Quando hai deciso cosa fare, fammi sapere. 
::::::[''I, holder of publication PD = I, holder of the rights of the copy. Facsimile or modified.<br/>As you can see, our opinions differ, but the resolution of the case is very simple: if the images released in this way are not compatible with use in Wikimedia Commons, simply delete them. I certainly do not want to impose anything and I will not oppose the cancellation. If the images will be deleted I will not load your own.<br/>You are the administrator: you decide. Pending suspend other uploads from my collection of historical images. Once you decide what to do, let me know.''] 
::::::--[[User:Ligabo|Ligabo]] ([[User talk:Ligabo#top|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 08:15, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::I will do nothing (and I not decide anything, thats not what an admin do). I just wanted to inform you that your watermarks are ugly, that they destroy historic works and that you claims are a shame. --[[User:Martin H.|Martin H.]] ([[User talk:Martin H.|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 12:47, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

::::::::Solo una tua opinione? Non pensavo che per esprimere una "semplice opinione" si potessero usare parole come "copyfraud" e "vergogna" o bloccare un utente sulla base di motivazioni inventate e illogiche [http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3ALigabo&type=block].<br/>Bene, ora che abbiamo espresso le "nostre opinioni", io continuerò a caricare le immagini della mia collezione storica secondo le norme della licenza CC-BY-SA-3.0.<br/>Se le immagini non sono utilizzabili verranno cancellate.<br/>Se io non debbo caricare le immagini è sufficiente che tu lo dica con chiarezza ed io eviterò di farlo.<br/>La prossima volta, se ce la fai, usa delle parole più cortesi.<br/>Grazie e buon lavoro.
::::::::[Automatic translation:<br/>''Only your opinion? I did not think that to express a "mere opinion" one could use words like "copyfraud" and "shame" or get to block someone on the basis of invented and illogical reasons [http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3ALigabo&type=block].<br/>Well, now that we expressed "our views", I will continue to upload pictures of my historical collection in accordance with the provisions of the CC-BY-SA-3.0.<br/>If the images are not used will be deleted.<br/>If I should not upload images is sufficient for you to say clearly and I will avoid doing so.<br/>Next time, if you can, use the more polite words.<br/>Thank you and good job.'']
:::::::: --[[User:Ligabo|Ligabo]] ([[User talk:Ligabo#top|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 10:23, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

[[File:Varese 1859.jpg|thumb|right|120px|watermark removed]]
I fixed this one by removing the watermark, but Ligabo, it would be easier and nicer if you could just refrain from adding the pointless watermark to begin with. It is ''not'' your work, and so you have no right to claim a copyright. The copyright belongs to the original artist, no matter that you put in the effort of scanning it. From Italian law ([http://www.interlex.it/testi/l41_633.htm Legge 22 aprile 1941 n. 633]): "''<u>Senza pregiudizio dei diritti esistenti sull'opera originaria</u>, sono altresì protette le elaborazioni di carattere creativo dell'opera stessa, quali le traduzioni in altra lingua, le trasformazioni da una in altra forma letteraria od artistica , le modificazioni ed aggiunte che costituiscono un rifacimento sostanziale dell'opera originaria, gli adattamenti, le riduzioni, i compendi, <u>le variazioni non costituenti opera originale.</u>''" [[User:Mr.choppers|Mr.choppers]] ([[User talk:Mr.choppers|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 18:45, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

:Ti ringrazio per aver portato il discorso sulla questione sostanziale. Proprio il passo della norma (ed altre) che hai citato mi attribuisce il copyright: ''"sono '''altresì''' protette le elaborazioni di carattere creativo dell'opera stessa, quali (...) gli adattamenti, le riduzioni, i compendi, le variazioni non costituenti opera originale''".<br/><u>Vuol dire che anche le variazioni sono protette dal diritto d'autore, pur non costituendo un'opera originale.</u><br/>Questo è il motivo per il quale ho aggiunto la scritta con attribuzione di paternità. In totale buona fede e diritto. Tuttavia, ripeto che non voglio imporre nulla a nessuno. Io eviterò di caricare altre immagini dalla mia collezione di immagini storiche e le immagini già caricate, vengano eliminate. Altrimenti, non importa: mi spiace solo di non poter condividere la mia collezione di immagini storiche. Sarà per un'altra volta. :)
:[''Thank you for bringing the discussion on substantive issues. Just the pace of the standard (and others) that you mentioned gives me the copyright: "is '''also''' protected elaborations of the creative work itself, which (...) the adjustments, reductions, abridged, variations that do not constitute original work".<br/><u>It means that changes are protected by copyright, but is not an original work.</u><br/>That's why I added the word with attribution of authorship. In good faith and law. However, I repeat that I do not want to impose anything on anyone. I shall refrain from uploading more images from my collection of historical images and pictures already uploaded, will be eliminated. Otherwise, no matter: I only regret not being able to share my collection of historical images. It will be for another time. :)'']
:--[[User:Ligabo|Ligabo]] ([[User talk:Ligabo#top|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 11:25, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

::No, you are wrong. The picture is not your work and thus you have no right to sign it, as a signature implies ownership. And uploading to Wikipedia means you give up your copyright. Any picture posted to Wikipedia or the Commons cannot have a ©, since CC-BY-SA-3.0 means that the work is no longer yours. You gave your work away. There is ''no'' copyright. Wikipedia depends on the generosity of its users. Only Edoardo Matania would have the right to sign this picture, and he already did. Since he's been dead for over eighty years no one (absolutely no one, no matter how much they crop it) has the right to sign it. It's as if you demanded the right to sign the Mona Lisa for having moved it from one place to another. And while no one is demanding or expecting that you give up more pictures, you also cannot take back what you already gave away. If you want to retain the "rights" to your "work", then you cannot upload to Commons. [[User:Mr.choppers|Mr.choppers]] ([[User talk:Mr.choppers|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 15:34, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

:::No, sei tu che sbagli. Matania è morto da più di 70 anni e i diritti di riproduzione o modifica appartengono a coloro che posseggono le immagini. Inoltre la licenza CC-BY-SA-3.0 non significa che "l'opera non è più tua". Controlla le condizioni previste nella licenza CC-BY-SA-3.0 [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/deed.en_US] e leggerai: "Devi attribuire la paternità dell'opera <u>nei modi indicati dall'autore o da chi ti ha dato l'opera in licenza</u>". Ad esempio, non penso che tu abbia rispettato quella norma con questa azione [http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Scoperta_Lapide_WP.jpg&diff=prev&oldid=50469128]. Mi pare evidente.  
:::[''No, it's you're wrong. Matania died more than 70 years and rights to reproduce or modify belong to those who own the images. In addition, the CC-BY-SA-3.0 does not mean that "the work is no longer yours". Check the conditions of the license CC-BY-SA-3.0 [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/deed.en_US] and read: "<u>You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor</u>". For example, I do not think that you have complied with the rule with this action [http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Scoperta_Lapide_WP.jpg&diff=prev&oldid=50469128]. It seems to me obvious.'']
:::--[[User:Ligabo|Ligabo]] ([[User talk:Ligabo#top|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 16:48, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

::::If you don't want to share, don't share. We (=the members of commons) don't want to steal your work. Maybe you should have either an English-speaking friend or someone who understands copyright law look at this conversation and then reconsider your various stances. [[User:Mr.choppers|Mr.choppers]] ([[User talk:Mr.choppers|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 08:24, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

:::::Il problema non è "condividere o non condividere", ma "come condividere".<br/>Non è razionale chiedere le immagini garantendo le condizioni della licenza CC-BY-SA-3.0 e poi non rispettare le condizioni. Se Commons  vuole immagini totalmente libere, deve chiedere agli utenti di caricare solamente immagini PD. Se, invece, Commons chiede immagini con altre licenze, occorre rispettare le condizioni delle licenze.<br/>Quindi, se Commonsz chiede di caricare immagini con una delle licenze "Creative Commons" (tutte prevedono l'obbligo di mantenere l'attribuzione di paternità nel modo specificato dall'autore o dal licenziatario) non si deve ingenerare negli utenti la falsa convinzione di poter cancellare l'attribuzione di paternità posta sull'immagine: questo comportamento è vietato, come si può facilmente capire leggendo la licenza integrale [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/legalcode].<br/>Ti ringrazio per il consiglio, ma credo sia inutile che io cerchi di contattare degli utenti esperti nel diritto d'immagine circa le mie posizioni: se in Commons  fossero presenti degli esperti, questo stato di confusione non esisterebbe. Inoltre, io non conosco la lingua inglese e non riuscirei a spiegare correttamente la questione.<br/>E poi, non è la fine del mondo. :) Ciao.
:::::[''The problem is not "to share or don't share" but "how to share".<br/>It is not rational to ask the images ensuring the conditions of the license CC-BY-SA-3.0 and then not fulfill the conditions. If Commons wants pictures totally free, must ask users to upload images only PD. If, however, requires Commons images with other licenses, must be respected the conditions of licenses.<br/>So if Commons asked to upload images with a license "Creative Commons" (all include the requirement to retain attribution of authorship in the manner specified by the author or licensor) must not lead users in the false belief that they can clear attribution of authorship on the image mail: This behavior is prohibited, as is easily understood by reading the full license [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/legalcode].<br/>Thank you for the advice, but I think it is useless for me to try to contact an expert user in the copyright about my position: It seems obvious that if the Commons were present competent users in copyright, this state of confusion would not exist. Also, I do not know English and I could not explain the matter properly.<br/>And then, is not the end of the world. :) Bye.'']
:::::--[[User:Ligabo|Ligabo]] ([[User talk:Ligabo#top|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 10:17, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

== Re:Matania ==

Ciao :D

(Well, you can write in italian, but i will answer in english because my italian is '''bad'''.)

The picture is credited to "'''J.''' Matania", and the one you said is F. Matania. You are sure the drawing is from him? If is, I delete the picture, no problem. If not... the picture can stay here :D [[User:Beria|<font size="3" face="Vivaldi" color="#4069e1">Béria Lima</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Beria|<font size="3" face="Vivaldi" color="#4069e1">msg</font>]]</sup> 21:46, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

== Not a "custom" ? ==

[http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Fiat-NSU_500_Weinsberg_Roadster&curid=12663022&diff=54016856&oldid=53042539], [http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Simca_5&curid=1355914&diff=54016888&oldid=53041955], [http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Simca_6&curid=5855017&diff=54016909&oldid=53041981], [http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Polski_Fiat_500_%22Topolino%22&curid=12822045&diff=54016934&oldid=53041920], [http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:NSU-Fiat_500&curid=14877231&diff=54016991&oldid=53042476] ??? 
''Qual'è il termine usato nell'ambiente Wikimedia Commons per definire le automobili costruite, assemblate o modificate su licenza concessa da altro marchio ?'' What is the term used in the Wikimedia Commons to define the cars built, assembled or modified under license from another brand? 
--[[User:Ligabo|Ligabo]] ([[User talk:Ligabo|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 09:33, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

:I would think it should be called "licence built". "Custom" is when someone modifies an existing car and makes it unique, like this Nissan pickup. Nonetheless, I don't see why these categories shouldn't just be available on the [[:Category:Fiat Topolino]] main page - it saves people having to click through so many pages to find a photo. ''Vorrei pensare che dovrebbe essere chiamato "licenza costruito". "Custom" è quando qualcuno modifica un auto esistente e lo rende unico, come in questo pick-up Nissan. Tuttavia, non vedo perché queste categorie non devono solo essere disponibili sul Categoria: Fiat Topolino pagina principale - si salva la gente di dover fare tutto questo tanti di trovare una foto.'' [[User:Mr.choppers|Mr.choppers]] ([[User talk:Mr.choppers#top|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 16:31, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

::It might be conceivable to divide between categories "Custom-built"and "Licence-built. " The division, however, poses problems in intermediate situations. In the case of SIMCA 5 and 6, for example, cars are built under license from FIAT, but are not identical to the "Topolino". In this case [http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Fiat-NSU_500_Weinsberg_Roadster&curid=12663022&diff=54016856&oldid=53042539], however, is clearly a car "Custom-built". The best thing would be to maintain the category "Custom-built" and start a discussion to define a line shared by all. 
::''Potrebbe essere pensabile di dividere tra categorie "Custom-built" e "Licence-built". La suddivisione, però, pone problemi nelle situazioni intermedie. Nel caso delle SIMCA 5 e 6, ad esempio, le automobili sono costruite su licenza FIAT, ma non sono identiche alla "Topolino". In questo caso [http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Fiat-NSU_500_Weinsberg_Roadster&curid=12663022&diff=54016856&oldid=53042539], invece, si tratta chiaramente di una automobile "Custom-built". La cosa migliore sarebbe mantenere la categoria "Custom-built" e avviare una discussione allo scopo di definire una linea condivisa da tutti.'' --[[User:Ligabo|Ligabo]] ([[User talk:Ligabo|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 12:24, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

[[File:Fiat-Abarth 500 Roadster 01.jpg|thumb|150px|Custom Fiat]]
:::I don't know that I would classify the Weinsberg Roadster as a custom - Weinsberg was used by both Fiat and NSU as an official supplier of bodywork, analogous to the role of [[:w:American Specialty Cars|ASC]] or [[:it:Karmann|Karmann]]. But as we don't consider the [[:Category:Karmann Ghia|VW Karmann Ghia]] nor the ASC built Toyota Celica Cabrio a custom, I also wouldn't here. In any case, anything that is series built is not a custom, no matter that it looks different from the original 500. This Nuova 500 is a custom, I guess you could say custom means ''special artigianale''. ''Non so che avrei classificare la Roadster Weinsberg come una custom - Weinsberg è stato usato da entrambi Fiat e NSU come fornitore ufficiale della carrozzeria, analoga al ruolo di ASC o Karmann. Ma come non consideriamo la VW Karmann Ghia, né l'ASC costruito Toyota Celica Cabrio una consuetudine, anche io non sarebbe qui. In ogni caso, tutto ciò che è costruito di serie non è un custom, non importa che sembra diverso da quello originale 500. Questa Nuova 500 è una consuetudine, credo si possa dire personalizzato significa artigianale special.'' [[User:Mr.choppers|Mr.choppers]] ([[User talk:Mr.choppers#top|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 17:31, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

::::Even [[:File:Fiat-Abarth 500 Roadster 01.jpg|this "500"]] was built in small series (a few tens of units). However, there must be a specific category for cars derived from standard models, manufactured and/or marketed by different brand. The category is important because it can report its derivatives to the original model. In Italian they are called "Fuoriserie" or "Speciali". I put "Custom-built " thinking it was the equivalent term. If this is not the appropriate term, what is?
::::''Anche [[:File:Fiat-Abarth 500 Roadster 01.jpg|questa "500"]] è stata costruita in piccola serie (alcune decine di esemplari). Comunque sia, occorre stabilire una categoria precisa per le automobili derivate da modelli di serie, prodotte e/o commercializzate da altro marchio. La categoria è fondamentale perché si possa riferire i modelli derivati al modello originale. In italiano si chiamano "Fuoriserie" o "Speciali". Io ho messo "Custom-built" pensando che fosse il termine equivalente. Se questo non è il termine adatto, qual'è?'' --[[User:Ligabo|Ligabo]] ([[User talk:Ligabo|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 09:02, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

:::::I don't know that there is a good term for what you are trying to say. I would recommend checking out other cars and see how similar situations may have been resolved by others. But, in honesty, I don't think it a good idea to hide these categories within subcategories - it is good to have them on the main category page so that people can find them easier. Notice for instance that the VW Karmann Ghia is listed directly under [[:Category:Volkswagen vehicles]]. Also, see the contents of [[:Category:Volkswagen Type 1 custom-built]] for what really belongs in such a category. ''Non so che c'è un termine buono per ciò che si sta cercando di dire. Vorrei consigliamo di consultare le altre auto e vedere come situazioni simili potrebbero essere stati risolti da altri. Ma, in onestà, non penso che una buona idea per nascondere queste categorie nelle sottocategorie - è bene provvedere alla loro categoria nella pagina principale in modo che le persone possano trovare più facilmente. Si noti ad esempio che la VW Karmann Ghia è elencato direttamente sotto Categoria: Veicoli Volkswagen. Inoltre, vedere il contenuto della categoria: Volkswagen Type 1 su misura per ciò che è veramente in una certa categoria.'' [[User:Mr.choppers|Mr.choppers]] ([[User talk:Mr.choppers#top|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 05:25, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

::::::Insert a specific link between a model modified or built under license by a car with the original model is basic information. That the word chosen is "Custom-built" or "Licence-built" or otherwise, does not matter, but the connection is necessary. 
::::::''Inserire un collegamento specifico tra un modello modificato o costruito su licenza da una casa automobilistica con il modello originale  è un'informazione fondamentale. Che il termine scelto sia "Custom-built" o "Licence-built" o altro, poco importa, ma il collegamento è necessario.''--[[User:Ligabo|Ligabo]] ([[User talk:Ligabo|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 15:00, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

:::::::I disagree. The information that the Simca 5 is license-built is currently mentioned in the hatnote (on top of the page). Other such information (if kept short) could be presented at the top of their various categories, but in truth it correctly belongs in the Wikipedia mainspace articles. The Commons is a media archive meant to facilitate the finding of pictures. If you insert intermediate categories (especially if they are not very carefully named) then pictures become harder to find, simple as that. Again, I invite you to see how this has been resolved in other areas. ''Non sono d'accordo. Le informazioni che la Simca 5 è licenza di costruzione è attualmente indicato nella hatnote (in cima alla pagina). Altre informazioni (se tenuti corto) potrebbero essere presentati al vertice delle loro diverse categorie, ma in realtà appartiene correttamente in articoli mainspace Wikipedia. Commons è un archivio multimediale pensata per facilitare il ritrovamento di immagini. Se si inserisce categorie intermedie (soprattutto se non con molta attenzione il nome), poi le immagini diventano più difficili da trovare, molto semplice. Ancora una volta, vi invito a vedere come questo è stato risolto in altri settori.'' [[User:Mr.choppers|Mr.choppers]] ([[User talk:Mr.choppers#top|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 08:50, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

::::::::I do not know if it depends on the automatic translator or other reasons, but from reading the discussion above I conclude that you are not able to understand what I say. Since I'm not going to repeat endlessly the ideas already expressed, I think it is useless to continue to discuss. Hello. 
::::::::''Non so se dipenda dal traduttore automatico o da altri motivi, ma dalla rilettura della discussione soprastante desumo che non sei in grado di capire ciò che dico. Dato che non ho intenzione di ripetere all'infinito i concetti già espressi, credo che continuare a discutere sia inutile. Ciao.''--[[User:Ligabo|Ligabo]] ([[User talk:Ligabo|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 10:12, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

{{outdent}}No, I understand what you're saying, I just don't understand why you think there needs to be a separate category, which hides rather than makes available all of these cars. See [[:Category:Isuzu_Trooper]] for a more useful solution - lots of license built and rebadged cars. ''No, capisco quello che stai dicendo, io proprio non capisco perché pensi che ci debba essere una categoria a parte, che nasconde piuttosto che mette a disposizione tutte queste automobili. Vedi Categoria: Isuzu_Trooper per una soluzione più utile - un sacco di licenza vetture costruite e rimarchiati.'' [[User:Mr.choppers|Mr.choppers]] ([[User talk:Mr.choppers#top|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 14:24, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

:The word "See also" is generic, does not specify the type of correlation does not indicate the original model. I've started a discussion here [http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=54500063] in order to find a common solution.
:''La dizione "See also" è generica, non specifica il tipo di correlazione e non indica il modello originale.  Ho avviato una discussione qui [http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=54500063] allo scopo di trovare una soluzione condivisa.'' --[[User:Ligabo|Ligabo]] ([[User talk:Ligabo|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 15:04, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

== [[:File:Moskvich 400-420 at the Car and Communication Museum in Finland.jpg]] ==

Hello.

I will cut right to the chase: the "-420" part of the name refers to this vehicle being the sedan variant. There is also a station wagon variant which has "-422" at the end of its name and a convertible variant which has "-420A" at the end of its name.

Regards. - [[User:SuperTank17|SuperTank17]] ([[User talk:SuperTank17|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 21:12, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

:Hello. "Moskvich 400" is the exact official name of [[:File:Moskvich 400-420 at the Car and Communication Museum in Finland.jpg|this model]], but if it was decided to include also the internal codes used by the factory for the various versions, I have no problems. However, I fear that the division of sub-categoy will be dispersed far and wide. 
:''Ciao. "Moskvich 400" è l'esatta denominazione ufficiale di questo modello, ma se è stato deciso di inserire anche i codici interni utilizzati dalla fabbrica per le varie versioni, io non ho problemi. Tuttavia, temo che la suddivisione delle subcategorie risulterà molto vasta e dispersiva.'' --[[User:Ligabo|Ligabo]] ([[User talk:Ligabo|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 08:53, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
::Hello Ligabo! No, there is no decission on Commons that internal codes used by the factory for various versions are to be included. Please nominate such categories for discussion, so that others can pont their opinions on this issue as well. Thanks in advance, [[User:High Contrast|High Contrast]] ([[User talk:High Contrast|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 16:00, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Hello High Contrast. Sorry, but the "Google auto-translator" is not allowed me to understand much of what you said [http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ligabo&diff=54502379&oldid=54492636]. In any case, as already mentioned, I have no problems to one or the other solution.
:::''Ciao High Contrast. Scusa, ma il traduttore automatico di Google non mi ha consentito di capire molto di ciò che intendi [http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ligabo&diff=54502379&oldid=54492636]. In ogni caso, come già detto, io non ho problemi verso l'una o l'altra soluzione.'' --[[User:Ligabo|Ligabo]] ([[User talk:Ligabo|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 13:48, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

== emuli ==

commette spesso errori d'ortografia e di sintassi, è vero, questo - in italiano - a te capita di rado :-P <br />Trixt infatti aveva escluso, glielo si potrebbe anche riconoscere... --[[User:Fantasma|Fantasma]] ([[User talk:Fantasma|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 21:18, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

== Fiat Multipla ==
Hello Ligabo, vedo che imperversi ancora :-) Non c'è [http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category%3AFiat_Multipla_%281998%29&diff=71904069&oldid=71583128 bisogno] di mettere un "Vedi anche" a partire da una categoria già disambiguata: c'è già [[:Category:Fiat Multipla]] che indica i redirect. Semmai sarebbe più opportuno mettere, alla peggio, su Fiat 600 Multipla un "vedi anche" verso "[[:Category:Fiat Multipla (1998)]]. -- '''[[User:Blackcat|<span style="font-family:Bookman Old Style,Palatino Linotype,Times New Roman;color:#000000">SERGIO]]''' <sup><small>[[User talk:Blackcat|<span style = 'color:#4B0082'>(aka the Blackcat)</span>]]</small></sup> 15:35, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

==MV Agusta classifications==
I uploaded [[:File:MV Agusta 350S Elettronica.jpg|this lovely photo]], but had a hard time deciding into which category to place it. After lots of searching and thinking I put it in [[:Category:MV Agusta 250/350 2C 4T|MV Agusta 250/350 2C 4T]] but feel that maybe this ought to be split up somehow? I don't know much about these motorcycles so I would be grateful if you could help out. Cheers, [[User:Mr.choppers|'''mr.choppers''']]&nbsp;([[User talk:Mr.choppers|talk]])[[:en:User:Mr.choppers|<sup>-en-</sup>]] 21:41, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

:Grazie. [[User:Mr.choppers|'''mr.choppers''']]&nbsp;([[User talk:Mr.choppers|talk]])[[:en:User:Mr.choppers|<sup>-en-</sup>]] 23:13, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

== Global account ==

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== Francis Lombardi Grand Prix Abarth ==

Ciao, sulle due foto (Francis_Lombardi_Grand_Prix_Abarth_front.jpg e Francis_Lombardi_Grand_Prix_Abarth_rear.jpg) di MartinHansV hai scritto (il 29 novembre 2010, quindi tanti anni fa) che la Lombardi Grand Prix sarebbe disegnata da Pio Manzù. Manzù non ha mai lavorato per Lombardi, il disegnatore di questa macchina era Giuseppe Rinaldi. Forse ti hai sbagliato perché la OSI G.31, chi è fatta da Manzù, è un po simile. Se sei d'accordo, vorrei correggere questo. [[User:Erremm|Erremm]] ([[User talk:Erremm|<span class="signature-talk">{{int:Talkpagelinktext}}</span>]]) 15:59, 1 June 2024 (UTC)