Commons:Categories for discussion/2018/07/Category:Food stands

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Category:Food stands

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Is there a clear difference between Category:Food stands and Category:Food stalls? I can see we might differentiate between "fruit & vegetable stands/stalls" or "grocery stands/stall" vs "prepared food stands/stalls" but I think the only potential difference between a stand and a stall is whether there are other stands/stalls around. Themightyquill (talk) 07:35, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest merging all three cats-stands, stalls and Category:Food booths. Hardly any objective criteria to tell them apart.--Roy17 (talk) 03:02, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with that. There's really no objective difference between any of them. Into which category though? BTW, there's also Category:Street food vendors which is sorta similar and has an ongoing discussion about it. I guess it was also opened by Themightyquill. Perhaps they can shed some light on what the differences are? --Adamant1 (talk) 02:44, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Adamant1 and Themightyquill: searching "food stand" and "food stall" in "News on the Web (NOW)" and "iWeb: The Intelligent Web-based Corpus" on https://www.english-corpora.org/ , results seem to suggest both are popular phrases. "food stall" might be relatively more popular.
Since there are also other stalls under Category:Market stalls, I suggest Category:Food stands merge into stalls.
Category:Food booths can be a subcat, since not all stalls are "booths", e.g. food trucks, stalls using a tent... but all booths should be stalls. Roy17 (talk) 18:56, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Roy17: Are you saying a food truck is a food stall? -- Themightyquill (talk) 09:31, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I've tagged Category:Food carts which might fall under some definitions of food stands. -- Themightyquill (talk) 09:35, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
According to oxford dict, stall is "a stand, booth, or compartment for the sale of goods in a market or large covered area". There are markets where stalls are set up using food trucks.
I'm just saying, not all stalls are booths. I assume booths must be some kind of overhead structures, but stalls have a broader scope, like they could be set up using trucks. Roy17 (talk) 10:06, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Themightyquill and Roy17: Without being aware of this discussion, I started a similar discussion about Market stands. There Adamant1 suggested that the difference between stands and stalls might be about the degree of temporariness. Would you please give a reaction about the proposed definitions? --JopkeB (talk) 04:20, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, yeah. I totally forgot about this discussion. I think the definitions in the other one will probably resolve it. Category:Food booths might need some clarification though, or maybe it can just merged with one of the other categories. I don't really think the distinction of a "booth" compared to a stall or stand is very useful. At least not in this context. --Adamant1 (talk) 04:49, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@JopkeB: There might be something to that definition, but I'm not sure it's useful here since most cases will be a grey area. In my experience, almost all market stands and stalls are only semi-permanent. It would be hard to draw a line between the two in a useful way. -- Themightyquill (talk) 07:05, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your reaction. Can the dividing line be drawn based on the appearance of the stalls/stands? I would like to have a category that is only for "structures of an elongated covered table (covered for instance by a tent roof or parasol) that can easily be moved and set up, used by merchants"; and at least one other for other kinds of stands/stalls. In the Netherlands all open air markets (each town has one, cities like Amsterdam and Rotterdam have more) has that kind of structures and there are a lot of photographs of them. So I think it is useful to be able to make a distinction between those kind of stands and other ones. JopkeB (talk) 15:45, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@JopkeB: I think that works in theory better than in practise. Would your definition apply to these: 1 2 3 4 5? It's hard to know. -- Themightyquill (talk) 09:27, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

According to the definitions we use uptill now in Commons:Categories for discussion/2023/03/Category:Market stands:

  • 1 - Looks permanent, stall
    1 - Looks permanent, stall
  • 2 - Has wheels, food vehicle
    2 - Has wheels, food vehicle
  • 3 - Looks more like a restaurant
    3 - Looks more like a restaurant
  • 4 -I cannot tell
    4 -I cannot tell
  • 5 - Looks permanent
    5 - Looks permanent
  • Stand, with a tent roof made of fabric/textile (I have add that to the definition)
    Stand, with a tent roof made of fabric/textile (I have add that to the definition)

I would very much prefer that the definitions here and in Commons:Categories for discussion/2023/03/Category:Market stands will eventually be the same. --JopkeB (talk) 15:31, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Implemented the proposal by JopkeB at Commons:Categories for discussion/2023/03/Category:Market stands by adding description and moving subcats. --Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 12:02, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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