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Files in Category:Fondation Beyeler

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Commons:FOP Switzerland does not apply to interior spaces such as buildings. The museum was newly built by architect Renzo Piano who is still alive. The Museum was inaugurated in 1997. In Switzerland exists a standard of life plus 70 years Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Switzerland

Paradise Chronicle (talk) 18:53, 21 October 2023 (UTC) ]][reply]

Deleted: per nomination. —holly {chat} 21:54, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Files in Category:Fondation Beyeler

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The museums architect Renzo Piano is still alive, COM:FOP Switzerland does not apply to the interior of buildings and Switzerland has a standard of life plus 70 years

Paradise Chronicle (talk) 14:11, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Uups, didn't remember I had nominated them already. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 14:14, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep For the same reasons of this older deletion request. --Phyrexian ɸ 17:12, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Multiple files with the same or similar rationale were deleted already. Here, here, here or here are some DRs of files from the interior of other museums in Switzerland and those files were all deleted. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 19:27, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't see anything copyrightable in most of these pictures, not artwork nor architecture. in File:Riehen - Fondation Beyeler 5386.jpg there is literally just a plant and elementary geometric figures like straight lines, and for instance in File:Riehen BS Fondation Beyeler Ausstellung Claude Monet 2017 III.jpg the artworks (which may or may be not copyrighted, I don't know) are not visible, and IMHO COM:DM apply. The only picture we should delete I think is File:La Fondation Beyeler (canton de Bâle, Suisse) (20094177273).jpg, because it features Pistoletto's artwork. --Phyrexian ɸ 17:26, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, well such images are pretty much what architects present at a competition to show the atmosphere their architecture can provide for the people. The light that shines through the ceiling, through the windows, the proportions and the lengths of the lines are all designed for this very museum. Those are not just random lines, and they are also not described as such, but described as belonging to the Beyeler Museum. And there is nothing of Pistoletto to be seen in the images, but of Giacometti and yes, that artwork is still copyrighted.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 19:43, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, of course the artwork is by Giacometti (I was reading something of Pistoletto and my brain just switched the names). I understand that the lines of a building are not random, but you canot copyright a square even if you design a square space; many buildings have rectangular, plain white interior walls, but still a picture of such walls is not copyrightable. And I understand that these photographs are of the kind used by architects to show architectural features of their buildings, but still these ones are with a free licence, the choices about light, composition and so on are from the authors of the pictures, not the designers of the building. I do not see anything copyrightable here, just that single one with artwork. --Phyrexian ɸ 14:48, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You agree that Giacomettis work is copyrightable, but that of the architect not? What's the difference? Just because you can see something artistic in a statue, a building is just as much an art for others.
    Copy paste from FoP Switzerland: Following the majority view in the legal literature, freedom of panorama does not apply to interior spaces. Hence Article 27 cannot be invoked for depictions produced in the staircase or the rooms of a building. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 21:26, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Again, there is a long list of existing things you cannot copyright, and elementary geometric figures are part of this list, because they do not match the threshold of originality. Here is an example of a picture of an interior building that would be not free under Swiss FoP, and here is an example of a picture that would be free, even if taken in the same building. Swiss law allow you to take pictures of Giacometti sculptures in a public square, but does not allow you to do so if those sculptures are inside a museum building, that's all. The other pictures do not have any copyright issue IMHO. --Phyrexian ɸ 13:44, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep most of these as they do not show significant creative architectural elements. The building as a whole may be a creative architectural work, but simple individual gallery room walls are not. Most of the artworks contained in the images are works by Claude Monet, which are in the public domain. I believe the statues in File:La Fondation Beyeler (canton de Bâle, Suisse) (20094177273).jpg are more recent and so this image should be deleted. IronGargoyle (talk) 01:23, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Copy paste of TOO Switzerland Swiss copyright law defines works as "literary and artistic intellectual creations with individual character, irrespective of their value or purpose". Such works are protected by copyright: "Up to 70 years after the death of the author.
    It's not on us what is "creative" or not. Works have a copyright irrespective of their value or purpose.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 01:53, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted: per nomination. —holly {chat} 21:55, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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