Commons:Deletion requests/Pictures of statues in Central Park
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Pictures of statues in Central Park
[edit]There is no freedom of panorama for artworks such as statues in the USA, and each of these images appears to be a photo of a statue in Central Park, without sufficient attribution and without proof of permission. Per Commons:Freedom of panorama#USA, "For artworks, even if permanently installed in public places, ... any publication of an image of a copyrighted artwork thus is subject to the approval of the copyright holder of the artwork." -- — Jeff G. 20:51, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
- Image:Bethesda Fountain.jpg
Keep. Design of the fountain by Emma Stebbins, d. 1882. Lupo 09:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC)- It appears that this was BY-NC-ND... Lupo 10:35, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
- Image:Angel of waters Central Park.jpg
Keep. Sculpture by Emma Stebbins, d. 1882. Lupo 09:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC)- Actually, a Stock Exchange image. What's our policy on those? Lupo 10:35, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
- Our policy on those is at Commons:Bad_sources#Stock.Xchng. As this image was originally uploaded to w:fr:Image:Angel of waters Central Park.jpg "7 juillet 2004 à 15:30", it is "allowed for the time being" per our policy. Those seeking further information should note that the template w:Template:Sxc-warning and category w:Category:Unfree SXC licensed images were deleted as a result of this debate at 15:42 on 8 May 2007 (UTC). — Jeff G. 15:45, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
- Actually, a Stock Exchange image. What's our policy on those? Lupo 10:35, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
- Image:Pilgrim Father Central Park NYC.jpg
- Keep. Sculpture by John Quincy Adams Ward, d. 1910. Lupo 09:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
- Image:AliceOnMushroom.jpg
- Delete. Sculpture by José de Creeft.[1] Commissioned in 1959. Lupo 09:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
- Image:CP-Hans Christian Andersen.jpg
- Delete. Statue created in 1956 by Georg John Lober.[2] Lupo 09:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
- do what you think needs to be done, but why should we be holier than Google Earth and Flickr? --Rainer Halama 02:04, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
- The litigious climate in St. Petersburg, Florida may have something to do with that. Or perhaps having a foundation to protect. — Jeff G. 17:34, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
- Image:Falconer statue central park nyc.jpg
Keep. Statue by George Blackall Simonds (d. 1929), dedicated in 1875.[3] Lupo 09:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC)- It appears that this was BY-NC-ND... Lupo 10:35, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
- Image:King Jagiello statue central park nyc.jpg
- I'll pass on that one. See King Jagiello Monument for its history. The sculptor died less than 70 years ago. (This also concerns Image:Wladyslaw-Jagiello.jpg!) However, it was apparently commissioned by the Polish government... Lupo 09:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
- It appears that Image:King Jagiello statue central park nyc.jpg was BY-NC-ND... Lupo 10:35, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
- I'll pass on that one. See King Jagiello Monument for its history. The sculptor died less than 70 years ago. (This also concerns Image:Wladyslaw-Jagiello.jpg!) However, it was apparently commissioned by the Polish government... Lupo 09:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
- Image:Lebow.png
- Delete. Sculptor was Jesus Ygnacio Dominguez. Created after 1970.[4] Lupo 09:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
- Image:Mad Hatter.jpg
- Delete. Sculpture by José de Creeft.[5] Commissioned in 1959. Lupo 09:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
- Image:Obelisk central park nyc.jpg
Keep. The Obelisk is some 3500 years old.[6] Lupo 09:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC)- It appears that the image was licensed as BY-NC-ND... Lupo 10:35, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
- Image:Statue of Balto in Central Park.jpg
- Sculptor was Frederick George Richard Roth (d. 1944). Sculpture unveiled 1925.[7] Does it bear a copyright notice? Lupo 09:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
- It does bear a plaque (see [8]), but I can't find any image on the internet that shows a copyright notice. Assuming, therefore, that it's ok under US law. --MichaelMaggs 17:57, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
- Image:Three Dancing Maidens, Central Park.JPG
- Sculptor: Walter Schott (d. 1938). Created 1910, presented to the city in 1947. Lupo 09:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
- The artwork itself is public domain per the death of the creator being more than 50 years ago. This seemed fairly clear from the 1910 creation date, which I had added to the description precisely to address a potential deletion request. [9] - BanyanTree 12:58, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
- Eh, what's got 50 years to do with it? We generally apply 70 years p.m.a.
The U.S. has never had a 50-year copyright term.(Rubbish. Of course they did, from 1978 - 1998 for works published 1978 or later. But that's of no use to us, as no such 50-year p.m.a. copyright expired in that time, before the extension to 70 years. Lupo 21:03, 10 May 2007 (UTC)) It may be though that the sculpture is indeed PD-US, or PD-US-not renewed. But it's still copyrighted in Germany until the end of 2008 (Schott was a German...) Lupo 14:09, 8 May 2007 (UTC)- Untangling my thoughts: I uploaded the picture thinking of w:Template:PD-old-50, which states that works created in the U.S. prior to 1923 etc etc. Schott created the work in Germany and and it was then sold to a U.S. family, so that's clearly flawed reasoning. Delete, and apologies for the mess. - BanyanTree 22:56, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
- Eh, what's got 50 years to do with it? We generally apply 70 years p.m.a.
- The artwork itself is public domain per the death of the creator being more than 50 years ago. This seemed fairly clear from the 1910 creation date, which I had added to the description precisely to address a potential deletion request. [9] - BanyanTree 12:58, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
- Sculptor: Walter Schott (d. 1938). Created 1910, presented to the city in 1947. Lupo 09:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Next stop: the other images of statues and sculptures in Category:New York City statues and sculptures, Category:Statues of the United States, and Category:Sculptures of the United States. (gotta run!) — Jeff G. 23:44, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
- Delete all that are copyrighted or that do not specify the sculptor. However, some photos in these categories are ok, such as Image:John Ericsson Battery Park.jpg. Kjetil r 02:04, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
- Agree, but the nominator should weed out those that are obviously in the public domain first and then list the rest here for individual consideration. Lupo 09:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
- Of course, I didn't mean to nominate "the other images of statues and sculptures in Category:New York City statues and sculptures, Category:Statues of the United States, and Category:Sculptures of the United States" as a part of this nomination, just to put them "out there" (so to speak) as the categories I intended to look at next (and others could do the same if they wish). I'm sorry if I gave any impression to the contrary. — Jeff G. 11:49, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
- Sure, no big problem. Just try not to nominate the obviously PD ones. (The nomination of the obelisk for FOP violation above was hilarious.) Preemptive notice: the Statue of Liberty is PD. (Erected 1886, designer Frédéric Bartholdi (1834 - 1904).) :-) Lupo 07:42, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
- Of course, I didn't mean to nominate "the other images of statues and sculptures in Category:New York City statues and sculptures, Category:Statues of the United States, and Category:Sculptures of the United States" as a part of this nomination, just to put them "out there" (so to speak) as the categories I intended to look at next (and others could do the same if they wish). I'm sorry if I gave any impression to the contrary. — Jeff G. 11:49, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
- Agree, but the nominator should weed out those that are obviously in the public domain first and then list the rest here for individual consideration. Lupo 09:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Closing. All images specifically listed have been dealt with. If there are others they should be listed explicitly in a new Deletion Request. --MichaelMaggs 17:59, 8 July 2007 (UTC)