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Oppose as much as I'd like to support - I really enjoy both subject and composition - but there's a couple of technical issues. The image looks a bit overprocessed to me, and it's definitely too dark. Strangely it's also not very sharp which I don't really understand at all, looking at the EXIF. --Martin Falbisoner (talk) 07:08, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I prefer that composition, but I'm not sure whether it is or isn't similar enough to offer as an alternate in this nomination. Does anyone have an opinion on that? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:15, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Info View of the Hermitage of St Saturio, Soria, Spain. The baroque temple, one of the symbols of the city of Soria and dedicated to its patron saint, dates from the 17th century and was built on a deep hill by the Douro river. All by me, Poco220:39, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Colin: can you reveal how would you have made out of this interesting subject an extraordinary photograph (under the same lighting conditions)? I am curious Poco219:09, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Well, "under the same lighting condition" is rather the problem. Poco, you know that lighting can make a photo. Looking at File:San Saturio reflejado en el rio Duero. Soria.JPG there is potential for a reflection photo if the weather is calm and the light direction appropriate. I think your composition has placed the Heritage slightly too much to the right. I prefer the arrangement in this photo. That photo also has greater depth and context, with the foliage of the near shore included, as well as the bridge. It is hard to know what it looks like at other times, but overcast lighting does make it harder to get people going wow. Obviously a building stuck on the side of a steep mountain is an unusual subject, though the building itself is a bit plain. I had similar dull lighting in my File:Old Royal Naval College 2017-08-06.jpg photo, which was a (valid) criticism at FPC, but I think it wins on symmetry, a more interesting view, and a more detailed building + high resolution. -- Colin (talk) 19:32, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Colin, the thing is that often when you have a tight schedule to cover many subjects in one day, you has have to come along with what you find. Poco220:11, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, but I don't really see what that has to do with whether this is an FP or not. -- 22:25, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
Oppose I have to agree with Colin. I can see what you were hoping to get, but it didn't make it. I think this needs a better sky and/or stronger light. Daniel Case (talk) 18:07, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose Harsh contrast, the composition does not show entirely the plant, it looks cropped and disordered, little clean and distracting, subtracting weight from the main element. --The Photographer15:18, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose This motif isn't particularly inspiring to me; the left crop also cuts off a tree. I just don't see anything special that wows me.--Peulle (talk) 07:53, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Support Looks good. At pixel level the landscape is a bit blurry which I guess is the camera not being absolutely steady for 2 hours. I don't know if it is possible to blend the landscape differently to the stars in order to sharpen that up a bit. The colour of the sky is good. -- Colin (talk) 10:50, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Question - In this case, I'm wondering why there are a couple of untraily stars (I see 2 toward the right side). Could anyone address this? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:12, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Ikan, I suspect they may be hot pixels on the sensor. The automatic technique for removing them is when the camera takes a same-length long exposure with the shutter closed immediately afterwards and subtracts any light "recorded". This "long exposure NR" has to be turned off for star trails, otherwise there would be even longer gaps between the trail segments. It is possible to do this by-hand in Photoshop, by taking an extra shot with the lens cap on, but it may be easier here to simply clone out the odd bright pixel. -- Colin (talk) 19:35, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the possible explanations. 0x010C, do you have an opinion about this? In any case, they're so small and the photo is so impressive, with the rhythm of the trails helping to produce a really dynamic composition. So I'm happy to Support. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:04, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Done@Ikan Kekek: I've removed thoose spots. It can have two different origins imho: hot pixels like Colin said or the temporary reflection of an adjacent star due to atmospheric disturbances. Also, thanks for your support! — 0x010C~talk~18:12, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Here's why I picked this photo for a nominiation: It is unusually close to the action for this subject, which in my opinion makes a big difference in terms of engaging the viewer. It also visualizes the downwash from the rotors in the grass below -- and as a nice side effect, the direction of the grass points towards the center of the frame. I also think that the soft light just around sunrise is suitable for showing the detail on the helicopter and making it stand out from the background while still allowing for a decently long shutter speed. The latter is important to show the rotors in motion. — Julian H.✈ 08:17, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral This is a hard one, sharpness is good and I also enjoy the flattened grass, but the composition and background is not at that level. It is too centered and there is nothing else in the composition that draws my attention. Probably snow, mountains, ... would make it --Poco216:00, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment You mean "sharpness" is one of the top characteristics a picture must have? I might show you 1000's of not shar pictures which has been considered as best pictures:-) I thought here on Commons we would go on beyond the ABC for learners.Paolobon140 (talk) 16:06, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose Per Johann Jaritz. To be a bit more specific: What was the audio part of the video recorded with? There's a lot of disturbing background noise kicking in right after the still image shown at the beginning of the video. Visual quality is OK (but not great) most of the time, but some shots are pretty bad (e.g. at 1:35 and 2:10). Around 1:50 camera work is a bit shaky. The lighting is very hard, sometimes clipping both highlights and shadows at the same time. The background (someones livingroom?) is distracting – we would never accept that for a table-top photograph of this object at FPC. I'd also get rid of the transmission effects between the shots (e.g. 0:43), that looks unprofessional to me (something Uncle Bob would use for that dreaded 3-hour slide show of his vacation pictures). A minor issue that should be easily fixed: a copyright tag for the music is missing (something like {{PD-US-1923}}, I suppose?). In summary, while this is very interesting and useful, I don't think this should be promoted among "Commons' finest" in its current state. Sorry, --El Grafo (talk) 09:20, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The use of inline titles is detrimental to accessibility (TimedText, OTOH, can be edited if it turns out to be inaccurate, as well as translated into other languages). Daniel Case (talk) 17:42, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose -- The main subject seems to be the river, while the bridge too far looks insignifiant on the picture. Isn't there another angle where this construction could be better defined ? -- Basile Morin (talk) 03:58, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support I sort of like it as the reverse angle of the view most people are likely to have of this sort of scene ... from the train. Sometimes you look out at a scene some distance away and wonder "What does it look like from down there?" This is that picture. Daniel Case (talk) 06:17, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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I will handle nom. Might be interesting stuff. --Mile (talk) 13:51, 28 November 2017 (UTC) p.S. Since it high noon, i would put vibrance to some 20-25 and maybe saturation to some +5. You get more unwashed colors.[reply]
Comment - This is certainly a valuable photo, and I'd be inclined to support it for FP, too, except that I tend to think a set nomination of all the individual frames would be more useful. I feel similarly about a VI nomination, but unfortunately, VI sets are no longer awarded because of some kind of technical glitch. What does everyone think about a set nomination vs. one of this collage? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:21, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
In a set nomination, every single photo needs to have FP quality and I think this series might fall a bit short there, but taken as a whole in this collage, it is an outstanding documentation. (Although I agree a bit with Mile regarding some fixes.) Also, the individual photos are there if just one of them is needed. --cart-Talk18:53, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your answer, cart, but I have trouble understanding how the lesser degree of detail in a collage could make it a better FP than a set of full-size pictures would be. Are you making a case for downsizing pictures for them to look sharper? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:45, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No, I hadn't got to the size part yet, merely commenting on the scenes/photos/collection as such. You are reading far too much into my comment. :) Of course the FP collage (or each individual photo) should have as large resolution as possible but a smaller version can also be useful since it uploads easier. Sort of like this big one which is a crop from an even bigger file but also exists in a smaller more usable version. --cart-Talk20:23, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support Do you have the RAW files of each image? (I could help you to fix light problems) and more important, could you upload each image separately in full resolution? --The Photographer19:58, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support The collage, particularly since each source image has also been uploaded (though I suspect they are not at full resolution). I think it is fine to present an arrangement like this (my own File:Epilobium hirsutum - Seed head - Triptych.jpg). Users have the option to arrange differently if they want, but each individual image is not FP quality. Ikan, I don't think this is about downsizing as there isn't any need to downsize when creating a collage, other than perhaps to ensure the subject, when cropped, is proportioned appropriately. A set nomination would not then be appropriate, but we can celebrate this one in the knowledge that the individual frames are also available. -- Colin (talk) 20:08, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
This montage is from 2017 but the individual pictures were taken in 2012, and at this time I only shot in JPG (mid res) not in RAW. But the reason why the size of the assemblage is not so large in pixels compared to 3 times the size of each is because all the individuals have been cropped to fit with the subject, as you can see for example on the image 4/9 where the house behind the cow has disappeared on the montage. -- Basile Morin (talk) 02:45, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the discussion, everyone. I will Support, on the basis that while one could object to things like the tilt in the first frame, the totality of the collage is impressive and informative. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:46, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support Collage is good, so can be used by everyone in printed media, if set, they would be lost. Maybe white border is a bit to wide, but still OK. --Mile (talk) 08:22, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Support It is not the kind of photography i personally like a lot, also becasue of the uncommon format of the picture which would be quite difficult to print, but I must say its well composed; the altar gets importance and the arcades at the top complete the whole picture, closing the composition. Excellent job. Paolobon140 (talk) 10:18, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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I agree too, unfortunately my 85mm lens could barely fit the whole opera house in the frame. Perhaps I could do a content-aware fill in PS to give a bit more space on the left. Thanks for the constructive criticism, Alphacontrol
Is the flare from a natural light? If so, I would vote to keep it. I like it. It makes the photo more interesting. If it's a lens flare, then I'd say remove it. PumpkinSkytalk21:19, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Guys, it's definitely not lens flare but a tree in the background with blue light projected onto it. It was taken during the Vivid Festival and there were coloured lights everywhere. Thanks, Alphacontrol
As already discussed, and just for the record the circle right next to the light source is (as discussed in my talk page) definitely (IMHO) a lens flare Poco211:25, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
CommentAlphacontrol tried to change the name to "File:sydneyoperahouse.jpg", but since they are not really used to how things are done here, I'll see if I can fix this, but I'll move the file to "File:Sydneyoperahouse at night.jpg" instead since the first name is already used. --cart-Talk22:46, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Support It is a lovely and delicate photograph, with beautiful colours. The green background adds value to the flowers and the centered composition gives importance to the main sublject. Compliments!Paolobon140 (talk) 10:12, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
On holdComment I've got a strong suspicion that this should be Dunkle Blüte, which would mean "dark flower" in German. "Dunklu" doesn't mean anything in German, and the Google translator suggests that the same is true for Slovenian. There are also zero search results for "dunklu Zygopetalum" outside of Commons. So I'm pretty certain that if "Dunklu" was indeed written on a sign in the Ljubljana Botanical Gardens, it was not more than a typo. Adding to that, "Zygopetalum "dunkle blüte"" also yields next to no results. So I think "dunkle Blüte" is just a description rather than an official name of a variety or cultivar (see en:Grex (horticulture) for naming of orchid hybrids) and should probably just be translated to "dark flower". I'm not an expert for orchids, though, maybe User:Orchi can help? I'll postpone voting until this is cleared up. --El Grafo (talk) 12:49, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanx El Grafo, was in problem to get some of Dunklu shots, they even write it on two signs, both Dunklu. I dont speak Gemran much, first i thought this must be Dutch. I will change the name. --Mile (talk) 13:33, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The name Dunkle Blüte does not appear in the International Orchid Register, so it is not an official name for an orchid grex. On the other hand the literal translation does not fit either, since it is anything but dark. It might be better to just call it Zygopetalum (which it appears to be), place it in "uncategorised" with a note as to how it is labelled. I have suggested before, since they are a local, that the photographer make inquiries of the garden horticultural staff. --Michael Goodyear (talk) 19:01, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Support - This is a case in which I think a feeling of frustration at not seeing the rest of the ivy that extends past the picture frame on the lower left is actually good for the composition, which has so much motion. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:44, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Great quality, and I see potential here but I'm not convinced, the bottom crop is disturbing as you just missed the tip of that ivy branch, otherwise I cannot say how to improve it, but it isn't wowing to me. Poco211:17, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Ikan Kekek: Reverted to the old version, according to the demands of the market. Anyway, it's possible that I'll withdraw the image because it seems that people think that it's not so good as I thought it was. Thanks for your opinion! --Basotxerri (talk) 09:33, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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I want to advocate for this one. We have several featured pictures of buds on uniform/flat backgrounds, which is a great way to highlight the object itself, but it largely separates it from the context -- that it is part of a tree. I wanted to keep the tree in the picture, and I think the shallow depth of field does that while keeping it in the background. @Yann and Basile Morin: Is there a way to address what you're talking about by increasing/decreasing the brightness of parts of the image (while keeping the same composition)? Perhaps it would've been a better idea to nominate this in the spring, too. :) — Rhododendritestalk | 03:55, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I love the buds, but per Yann. If that branch were above them on the picture frame and didn't overlap with them, this might be an FP to me. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:55, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Support I find it a good picture. Maybe colours are a bit shallow, but that is the light you have found. COmposition is perfect, with that curve given by the bridge and the mountains in the background. Maybe you have might dared a bit more including the whole arcade on the right in the picture, but its done:-)Paolobon140 (talk) 15:55, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I've gone back and forth with this photo, but ultimately, I think that it's interesting and merits a feature. To my mind, objecting that the aqueduct is cropped misses the point: My feeling is that the point of the photo is to make the viewer think s/he is seeing the view from a fairly centralized place atop the aqueduct, and of course if you were standing on top of the aqueduct, you wouldn't see part of the aqueduct. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:00, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak support A musty and excellent composition of food, I just wish the garlic wasn't blown. Could you also please make the description a bit more detailed and also add categories for the other items in the photo. --cart-Talk10:37, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose The colours are very nice and the composition good, it's refreshing to see something different here. Categories need improving, but that's easily corrected. The reason I oppose is the lack of sharpness at the top half; due to the shallow DoF, too much of the image is unsharp.--Peulle (talk) 11:57, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support I find it an excellent composition, well enlighted and with a lovely placing of the different objects. Diagonals add a lot. Compliments. Sharpness at the top hald is "technicality", not photography.Paolobon140 (talk) 15:01, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose First view: I like the composition, wonderful. Second view: It's not sharp enough. The spoon is sharp, the food not. Wrong focus, sorry. --XRaytalk18:35, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral for now. I'm torn: Just plain gorgeous as a thumbnail, but lacking in sharpness at screen size. I can see no artistic reason for choosing f/2.5, so why not stop down a bit more for a sharp image? --El Grafo (talk) 11:16, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Very weak oppose There is something sort of painterly about it. But while I think the shallow depth works in that quality's favor inside the box (literally!), the edges of the box should all be uniformly sharp. I also get thrown by the near-blown highlight on the cheese (or whatever that is) in the saucepot ... surely that could have been fixed. Daniel Case (talk) 18:43, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support I dont know if that spoon was neccessary, but its a bit to big. It could be beside dish, not in. Otherwise fine shot. --Mile (talk) 16:39, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose - I don't understand this nomination. The quality is quite poor and looks pixellated like a photo in a periodical, and the composition looks random to me. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:03, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I'd FPX this if it wasn't for Johann's support. Per Ikan. Looking at the exif we have an unnecessarily high ISO coupled with a Lightroom sharpness of 130. To be honest, I didn't even know you could turn the knob up that high. No wonder the pixels are all squiggly. -- Colin (talk) 16:31, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose Composition. There is too much or too little here. A wide panorama with these people would work. A closed portrait with this background would also work. Regards, Yann (talk) 21:01, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Info Created by Edward Linley Sambourne and published in Punch in 1892, "The Rhodes Colossus" is an editorial cartoon depicting a satirical take on Cecil Rhodes' vision of British colonial rule in Africa. It is considered one of the most iconic images of its time and has since come to represent "the Scramble for Africa" as well as Western colonialism as a whole, being often reprinted both in its time and right up to the present day in various publications and school books. This original Punch page was scanned and created as a digital file by Cornell University Library; uploaded to Commons and nominated by Peulle -- Peulle (talk) 13:02, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Question Is the Vignetting natural or is it added in post-processing? Is it possible for you to add information about where the photo is taken? Preferably by using {{Location}}. Is the child in the photo aware of that this picture can be used for any purpose? --cart-Talk19:05, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Anawers: 1) as you surely know as you are commenting here, when you shoot at f/2 with a 35mm lens on a ful frame sensor or a 35mm fim camera, the result is quite an evident vignetting: this is the reason why photographers shoot at f/2 with a 35mm, to have a vignetted, dreamy, unsharp, acid coloured picute with an unfocused background. Its a quite common techinque used in some kinds of portraits; 2) yes, its possible but i will not add details on the localtion, which is somewhere in Mindanao, Phlippines; 3) yes the boy (whos about 19 and is absolutely unrecognizable in this picture) is perfectly aware as well as his family who are my good friends, have a wonderful print of this picture and know about my profession Now, can i ask you why you didnt put the same quetion here where the girls are perfectly recognizable? Commons:Featured picture candidates/candidate list#File:Young Girls Strike a Pose - Busua - Ghana .284737816187.29.jpg Waiting for your reply, Paolobon140 (talk) 21:22, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for all the clarifications. Much appreciated. One reason I didn't ask on the other photo was because it was not made by a Commons user and I could not speak directly here on the nomination page with the photographer, the other is that this boy (it is hard to see exactly how old he is) is mostly naked and the other kids are completely dressed. I wouldn't say that this boy is "absolutely unrecognizable", I'm sure his friends and family would recognize him even with the mud. --cart-Talk23:06, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Far too much (chroma) noise for me to support this for FP, despite the good composition. Also, the right shoulder is out of focus; I wouldn't mind as much if that was the only problem, but it doesn't help.--Peulle (talk) 01:34, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Dear Peulle, by watching your pics uploaded here on Commons I feel to suggest you to check if your monitor is well calibrated: they all have quite an evident cyan dominant that you might not be noticing. The issue might interfere while you watch others' photographs.Paolobon140 (talk) 17:24, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Thanks for your suggestion; I first looked at this on my ASUS VS247NR 23,6" LED monitor, and it reveals "flaws" more easily given the high resolution. However, when looking at my new Macbook Pro monitor, I'm still seeing quite a bit of noise and lack of sharpness here.--Peulle (talk) 17:50, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support When making a portrait, the whole body doesn't have to be sharp as well. Like Martin said, it's different and I find it slightly disturbing in a sort of "Lord of the Flies" kind of way... But that means it extracted an emotion from me, and that's what good photographs do: Create emotions. A "wow" doesn't have to be a good warm fuzzy feeling. --cart-Talk13:09, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Weak opposeComment I like it, but it looks (partially) underexposed to me: There's almost no detail in the hair, for example, and his irises are almost as black as his pupils (even with very dark brown eyes it should be possible to distinguish them). The cornea are also pretty grey (or actually green due to some kind of noise) – not that one should try to make it pure white ([1]), but this is certainly on the darker side. Quick sanity check: 1/8000 @ f/2 @ 100 ISO is pretty much sunny 16 (so far that combination does indeed make sense if you want a shallow DOF), but it's quite early in the day and the weather looks rather overcast, so I'd probably add at least one stop to that (for a "normal" shot). That being said, I think I get the idea: It's supposed to be dark gloomy. I like that and I totally agree with cart's comments. The problem is not that the over-all picture is a bit on the dark side; that's intended and it works well. The problem is, in my humble opinion, that the head is too dark in relation to the rest of the scene. I understand that this was most likely a spontaneous shot and you probably didn't carry a reflector or a flash with you. But I think a tiny little bit of fill light on the face could have brought you much closer to producing the image you had in mind when you pressed the shutter button. --El Grafo (talk) 10:19, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Dear El Grafo, ty for having spent so much of your time in commenting on my photograph. But id like to put you a question: "Did you think that it might be that this photograph is exactly how i wanted it to be?" I wanted a dark picture, with a dark figure in the middle on a dreamy, unsharp and unfocuse almost lunar background. And the fugure is covered with dark send that has colourful relflections. Thats all. I wanted exactly this picture. Print it on a large format and you will catch what i mean. Frame it with a white passepartout and hang it on the wall and you will see a dark picture of a dark guy on a lunar beach. I will not add more, photographs talk for themselves. But i thought here on Commons we might talk about photography, but im sad to notice here on Commons most of the people talk about sharpness, dead pixels, cropping, the pixel on the right top that seems to have a strange colour, millimetres. I didnt see one single portrait, but sunsets, panormanas, montains and all those exciting things. here one person even said that in one of my photographs culds were "disturbing" Lol. Others said that wires shoudnt be in a photograph, Lol. That is not photography, that is techincalism brought by surveyor whose pics (not photographs) wouldnt even be able to stand in an ABC manual for beginners. Some here said they ignored there is a rule of the thirds. Im not talking about you of course, but all i have seen here is people saying "I dont like th DoF", "if you cropped 5 pixels the pic would be better"; "the left top corner is not enough sharp". Sorry, this is not photography: everyone with s mobile phone camera can take a sharp pic. Other thing is imagining a scene at f/2 in the late afternoon (in your techincal analysis you forgot to notice that being my clock set on an italian time and being th Philippines 6 hours ahead, the photograph must have been taken in the afternoon, right before the seunset. In the Philippines sunset is around 6 pm). Who said a photogrph must be sunny, sharp and with all the dull colours in the right place? SOmeone who is proudly listing his poor photographic cameras and lenses in his Commons profile? Come on, El Grafo, let's be serious and let's talk about photography. Lets leave sharpness, dead pixels, flashes (how many people know how to use a flash here?) and croppings to those who learnt photographing on a mobile phone, where softwares take the pic:-) With respect and sympathy, my last words here.Paolobon140 (talk) 20:35, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Paolobon140: Sorry, not much time today, so I'll have to make it a quick answer. I totally agree with most of what you wrote above. Thanks for clearing up the time thing, I was indeed a bit irritated when I saw the time stamp as the scene really didn't look like early morning. I was trying to talk about photography in the second half of my review, feel free to completely ignore the first half: You obviously had a plan for this image and you executed it very well. When I say that I find the head a bit too dark in comparison to the rest, that's from a "photography" perspective and considering that the dark styling of the photograph. But that's a matter of taste and in any case not severe enough to warrant the oppose I initially gave, so after thinking about it a bit more I've removed my vote. I'm actually leaning towards supporting today, but I think I need some more time to make up my mind. --El Grafo (talk) 09:14, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support as another National Geographic-level image. Interesting to me how the things that I might normally hold against it, such as the vignetting, shallow depth and excess space on the sides, actually work in its favor here. This boy is definitely a product of his environment.
And then there is the expression on his face. From whence comes this intensity? Is he friend or foe? I know the photographer has clarified in response to cart's questions above that he is the former, but even knowing that the uncertainty lingers in the image ... Daniel Case (talk) 20:59, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Thank you Daniel for your deep words that i appreciate a lot becasue they describe this photograph. A photograph is in some way a part of the photographer and being understood is absolutely important. For the shallow depth and excess space: I hav been lately working a lot on the use of negative space in my pictures and if you could see mmy newer ones, you would notice it even more; shallow depth is something i cannot forget in this kind of pictures, where the real look of the background is absolutely not important, being it only like wings in a theatre; background is only negative space that must be filled with a hint of reality.Paolobon140 (talk) 08:32, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Info These magnificent room, once furnished to complement the ducal court of the Gonzaga family, saw many of the most illustrious figures of their era entertained such as the Emperor Charles V, who, when visiting in 1530, elevated his host Federico II of Gonzaga from Marquess to Duke of Mantua. All by LivioAndronico(talk)20:51, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Surely the purpose of capturing a photo of an artwork, on an educational media repository like Commons, or for an encyclopaedia like Wikipedia, is to accurately represent the artwork. No more. No less. Looking on Google Images (and the few images on Commons) this is far from an accurate photo (though it is very detailed). The white balance is too blue. The centuries-old pastel colours of the original have been "enhanced" with extra contrast/clarity/saturation so the result is a modern cartoon. A lesser point: the theme of the artwork is "The fall of the giants", and by concentrating on the dome, one doesn't actually see any giants, who are being destroyed on the side walls. Images that show a portion of ceiling along with the wall arguably represent the artwork better. Btw, a 360 video of the room is available here. -- Colin (talk) 11:12, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Here Colin the only cartoon is your opinion that as always makes laugh ..... comparing a video with a photo .... it's ridiculous, different expotion,camera etc.... However, I (naturally) calculated your negative vote. Anyway I understand that some lies you have to invent, otherwise what do you live in doing? --LivioAndronico(talk)13:12, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Besides this is the "ceiling of the room if the giants" if you don't see giants you have complained to Palazzo Te, if there are angels,gods or snakes ... the ceiling is this!--LivioAndronico(talk)18:04, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support nice to see pictures of yours here again. And what a picture! It's excellent. The dark borders magnify the ceiling. I really like it. --Harlock81 (talk) 21:21, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
We are comparing to that photo, which is six years old, and is considerably less blue and considerably paler and less contrasty. These are the issues: if you are photographing an artwork, your job is to faithfully reproduce the artwork. Here I just see all the things one gets when sliding Lightroom's controls to the max. So tempting to boost clarity (local contrast), saturation, global contrast, tone, and one can see the results are crowd pleasing. Sigh. -- Colin (talk) 11:25, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I can agree that maybe he wants to catch the gaze of the observer, but - inasmuch as we propose both the versions on Commons - why this should be so disgraceful? We are not trying to mislead anyone. A picture with natural colors can be a more faitfull reproduction of the actual status of the frescoes, but the vividness of that image is imho a quality in itself. --Harlock81 (talk) 17:36, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
You seem to be suggesting we can forgive the false colours in this one because Commons hosts another photo with realistic colours that someone could use instead. I think this is indeed misleading (subject to the limitations that you and I aren't sitting in the room right now but only looking at other photos people have taken). The flaws here are quite recognisable to anyone familiar with the Lightroom/Photoshop adjustments one can make, so all completely avoidable. The image has some value since it captures the scene in good detail, but the colours, contrast and tone of a painting are vital aspects of the work, and if they are wrong or misleading, then its educational value weakens considerably. Clearly not everyone thinks being faithful to the artwork is important, and I find that rather sad given that this is Commons, not Flickr. -- Colin (talk) 19:44, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I think it might be acceptable to feature a work that does not faithfully represent an artwork, but only if some phrase like "altered colors" was included not only in the file description but the filename, so that no-one would be likely to be confused. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:07, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with both of you that the description could be more observant in clarifying this aspect. Anyway, a quite five hundred years old fresco has gone across many phases and its actual status is surelly different with respect to when it was realised. Consequently, I would not feel comfortable at shortly objecting Livio's choise of enhancing its colors. This doesn't mean that his choice is surely the best one, but image processing may be proposed, discussed, implemented and analysed, if the image will be judged unsuitable in this status. --Harlock81 (talk) 22:43, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"It looked different in the past" is not a good justification. If this were a scholarly attempt to show what art historians think the fresco looked like when it was newly painted, that would be so noted. It is not. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:41, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Info The Clementine Chapel was commissioned by Pope Clement VIII (1592-1605), whose coat of arms stands out against the paving. It was begun by Michelangelo and completed by Giacomo Della Porta (1540-1602) for the Jubilee in 1600. The altar is dedicated to St. Gregory the Great (590-604). In a sarcophagus beneath the altar his remains are preserved, brought here in 1606. This Pope, also called the "Savior of the Church" and the "Defender of Rome", is associated with the name of the Gregorian chant or plainsong which he promoted. All by LivioAndronico(talk)20:46, 25 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Uneven lighting and uneven sharpness. The top left is dark and blue and the bottom is over-exposed. An HDR technique plus some local adjustment could have compensated for the uneven lighting situation. The image is strangly sharp and unsharp in areas that do not seem related to depth-of-field and look more like camera shake. Is this a stitched image? If so, some of your frames are bad. -- Colin (talk) 11:23, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It looks to me like sharpness is wanting, but I don't know what condition the ceiling is in. You're sure it's quite sharp? Then why do at least two viewers think otherwise? Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:58, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yann, I've added some notes where the unsharp bits are. It isn't a focus issue. It is a long exposure, so perhaps the camera or ceiling shook a little due to tourist traffic? Can't really explain why some bits are sharp other than if created from more than one exposure or serious lens trouble. In addition to these sharpness issues, the light handling is far below the standard we expect from others at FP. I really don't think you'd expect a dark blue corner or a blown bottom from a Diliff, of Code, or myself, or numerous others.... -- Colin (talk) 08:25, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment - It looks to me like the trees could use a bit of perspective correction. Also, I like the motif, but I'm not fully sold on the degree of focus at this size or the particular kind of hazy look. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:53, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Support - I find this harmonious, and it has a bit of a "you are there" quality to it, as we are seemingly standing on this ledge and viewing the scene. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:05, 26 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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LivioAndronico Yes I agree with the DOF at the back is not the same as front but it does not seem to affect the overall composition and look of the picture especially in the presence of the sharp frontal area. I did select a lower DOF to blur the background a bit when shooting animals at the zoo. Thanks for your input. --Sanjay Acharya (talk) 14:52, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral Blue color temperature and centered composition, btw distracting element on top right corner. Nice picture and lovely, however, not wow IMHO --The Photographer15:08, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The top right problem is gone, however, there is something with this image that does not convince me totally, for example, maybe a excessive clarity filter (white are too whites), jpg artifacts and posterization in background. --The Photographer20:06, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No clarity filter has been applied by me other than slight sharpening. In my opinion its just the characteristic of the bird's fur/feathers. Check out this another picture that shows similar whites are too whites. Also the artifacts probably are due to higher ISO of 500. Black Swan RWD2 --Sanjay Acharya (talk) 20:15, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose Featured pictures should be in some way special. "Almost all sunsets are aesthetically pleasing, and most such pictures are not in essence different from others." -- Basile Morin (talk) 04:27, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Basile Morin: ok no problem, I just want to precise that : "and most such pictures are not in essence different from others " is very different from "you will have to oppose all these images by principle" as an extra difficulty for sunset photos, it is quite the opposite : "are not in essence different from others" mean if the image is special then the sunset have not to be "extra special". That is, sunset must not be promoted simply because they are sunset but the opposite is also true sunset must not be declined simply because they are sunset. This image is special because I carefully tried to compose it, with the lines made by the beach and the waves, the silhouettes in the sun light, the perspective, the exposure time carefully chosen to have water not too creamy but just enough creamy, the timing (not easy) to have the waves making lines for the eyes, and of course this colour! ect... I guess, and I hope, that you think the image is not "in some way special" and that it is not just a matter of principle. Christian Ferrer(talk)06:18, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Because it may be, from my point of view among our finest, the purpose of that page, you will see in Commons:Featured pictures/Natural phenomena 2 or 3 good sunset showing waves, no more, and if you check the most general sunset category you will easily see that the photos that combine good quality (without over or under exposition) + good composition + special mood + visual interest are not so common, far from that, and my image may be indeed one of the finest. This is only my point of view and of course I agree that you can think this image is not enough special.
But your "copy and paste" from our guideline made me think that you just took there a reason to oppose. And that made me think that you took more time when going to the guideline, searching the right place, copying the right sentence and then pasting it here, than a real review of this image. There is something unwritten in the guideline : "better is a boring image than a boring reviewer", but that is again only my personal point of view. And if you are not concerned by my last sentence, if you really took the time to look at the image and that you are really convinced that the image is not among the finest then ignore my last sentence and I present you my most apologetic...sincerely. Christian Ferrer(talk)12:43, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Concerning the characteristics of the image, as you ask my personal opinion, I'm sorry to say I find the image rather poor, first underexposed, and then annoying. Flat waves (not breaking at all), flat sky, and dark sand. Only sharp far away, and blurring in front. The beautiful yellow could have been gained on photoshop, this is not the essence of the image, while the blue is pale. So basically I find the picture uninteresting. Regards -- Basile Morin (talk) 13:09, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oh that's it, that's what I asked, thank you for the review, I'm reassured you've reviewed it. Sorry for taking you off. Thank you again. I just add that I think "underexposed" is not appropriate, I think it is very close to the reality, and the goal of my processing was to stay close to reality, this is dusk, and sooner later it was dark night, therefore the sand is widely enough "clear". Christian Ferrer(talk)18:22, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
OpposeComment A normal sunset like another beach sunset and Basile Morin thanks for the cite. Maybe for someone from the cold countries this picture could be amazing, however, for me (I come from the Caribe sea island Margarita) this image is very common --The Photographer15:27, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Clear sunsets in countries near the poles are less common due to the weather, in addition the color temperature is more neutral and less vibrant then the Caribe, for example "Los Roques", a place near my house. "The amount of dust in the air -- such as from the explosion of Mount Pinatubo -- increases deflection of red rays of the sun at twilight morning and evening. So the colors are purer. And being in a place where there are 2 long bands of cloud from North to South can allow for a very long-lasting sunset. The light manages first to bounce directly off of the nearer band of cloud producing very deep reds, oranges and can bring a great amount of bright gold to some of the clouds. As the earth turns away the sun still shines and reflects off of the bottom of the band of clouds further west. The red still penetrates. The later light is not as intense or polychromatic, but when seated appreciating the serenity and beauty of a sunset, an extra half hour is ever-so satisfying". [3] BTW, Dear Christian Ferrer, please assume good faith and don't take the comments personally and remember that when you post a photo candidature here you agree to accept criticism and respond politely, for example, my recommendation is avoid making appeal to ridicule like "glad you finally could read our guideline". --The Photographer19:05, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I withdraw my nomination This is too complicated to read, and I did not understood it. Far too much time lost for this image, likely not an image to be featured IMO.Christian Ferrer(talk)19:28, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
OK, thanks you all and sorry for my skid, me too I think it is a bit more than just a sunset, I changed the fp category to "place". I should avoid embarking on endless and unproductive debates, it always leads me into the wall... Christian Ferrer(talk)05:34, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I dont know, it is not easy to give my point of view here: it is a good composition with nice colours but what i find a bit disturing are those building on the right, that interrupt the harmony of the view...Paolobon140 (talk) 20:15, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I feel like the same composition can be taken at more or less any sandy beach at sunset. Something in the foreground (e.g. rocks) would make it more interesting. -- King of♥♦♣ ♠ 01:46, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment Good shot, some curving of horizont might work. What are those white (anoted) spots on right side ? --Mile (talk) 08:34, 1 December 2017 (UTC) p.S: Some EV+vibrance could be added.[reply]
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Oppose Chritian, this pic doesnt't even compete with the other ones you have in your Commons page: there is no composistion, no subject, now wow factor:)Paolobon140 (talk) 15:34, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Question - Why do you think it's OK for you to write "there is no composition"? You can say what you think is lacking in the composition, but that kind of remark is pretty objectionable, considering that some of us think this is a great composition and I actually posted that very phrase verbatim. So what that means is that we either are seeing something different from you or have a different concept of what "composition" is. It's also a rude remark. I try to be careful to post "The composition seems random to me", rather than "There is no composition". I hope you can see the difference between the tones of those two statements. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:00, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Ikan, I know the distinction you are getting at, but per COM:MELLOW we can appreciate that foreign-language writers may not always express with the nuance of a native English writer [though we both know of other users for whom language difficulties haven't hindered their ability to throw obvious insults]. All our comments here are "in my opinion" and "I think that..." sort of comments. I do sometimes wonder at the "great composition" support votes because that can seem rather vague to those that really aren't seeing a great composition. It's one of those things like "beautiful" that doesn't really explain your rationale, just expresses your satisfaction. We have here a country path. There are lots of such photos so a path disappearing into the distance isn't automatically a great composition, even if a widely used motif. And there are trees arching overhead, but they don't quite form any interesting pattern. So... what is great about the composition? If you think about the most famous woodland avenue: search Google images for "The Dark Hedges" (of Game of Thrones fame) you will see the best photos have great light or great weather or make use of a person in the frame. Here, I just see that the photographer was out for a walk on a sunny day along a pleasant path and raised the camera to their eye to take a photo. There's just a bit too much chaos for me to identify a "composition" and the light is harsh. -- Colin (talk) 16:40, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
thanks you Ikan but it's ok, no problems. There is no need to argue for my images, if it is so successful then the votes will be justices, otherwise it is that the critics must be true. I should not had grumble the last time... Christian Ferrer(talk)17:07, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not really arguing for your image in this case but discussing the language used to oppose it.
However, Colin, to elaborate on why I find the form very good, it's because of how I feel the arabesque when I look around the picture frame, and also the way the dark and light alternate. If you either don't see that or it affects you differently, that would be why we differ. I do agree that "The Dark Hedges" is a more obviously striking scene, but I think the shapes and lines in a composition like this one can be just as valid a reason to support a picture for a feature as a scene that's immediately striking. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:14, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I too am not finding the scene to be special enough for FP. Also the path disappears in a haze (either heat haze or out-of-focus). Paths/trails are a common motif and this not quite exceptional. -- Colin (talk) 16:40, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Somewhat regretful oppose This is a sort of picture I often imagine taking when I pass the many similar scenes in the generally rural area I live in. Sometimes I've tried. They're not as easy as they look.
I think that if this image had a deeper field, and was cropped in about a third to the left, it would have had a chance. One large dark tree on that side is enough. Daniel Case (talk) 06:56, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Info Narrowed bend in the Sapüner stream causes a rapid acceleration. This photo fascinates me. The wildly flowing cold water splashes almost from the screen. All by -- Agnes Monkelbaan (talk) 05:58, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I thought of this picture as a possible FP when I saw it in QIC. I find it a compelling capture of the speed and power of a mountain stream, as you do. Thanks for taking the photo and nominating it here. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:15, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Sorry but I'm not wowed either, seeing as it's a close-up shot which makes it "just another shot of a stream", and the light doesn't really help.--Peulle (talk) 11:31, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Too common subject and I don't like the time lapse of exposure (too low if a movement effect was desired, or too high if the water should be sharp) -- Basile Morin (talk) 04:10, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Info The facade is slightly curved. It bulges out towards you. As such, the vertical lines bend outwards on both sides. This lens has little or no distortion, and perspectve correction was applied to remove any perspective distortion. Perhaps this angle makes it more obvious. dllu(t,c)10:30, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The technical quality is fine, but I'm not seeing anything special here. The light is ordinary, the building features seem completely mundane ... No wow at all.--Peulle (talk) 11:06, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Yes, we could see it in a museum of contemporary art, but a lot of what's on exhibit in museums of contemporary art that emphasize works starting in the 50s or 60s is there for reasons other than good composition, such as that it's monetarily valuable or the best-known critics like it (which essentially amounts to the same thing, nowadays). I think this is a lot better than a lot of that, but though it does have one or two interesting diagonal lines, it doesn't fully work for me. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:47, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It gives the idea to be tilted or distotrted (actually you can see in the low right corner that lines are a bit distorted); maybe its not actually tilted but thats the feeling. I also find the compsition quite claustrophobic. I have the feeling you might have found some better composition for this subject:-)Paolobon140 (talk) 10:51, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I have to say I agree with Ikan that a contemporary art gallery/museum really isn't a good standard to aim for -- plenty crap on display there. There are parts of this that would make an interesting geometric photograph but it isn't working for me as a whole. The right grey part in particular is really not that interesting. -- Colin (talk) 18:46, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose As with the stream image below, it's nice and all but I'm not seeing anything truly exceptional here. Adding to that a distinct lack of sharpness, I don't feel this is worthy of the designation "one of the finest images on Commons".--Peulle (talk) 13:47, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Support Again, very Geographic. Doesn't look like they were going that fast, though (but still ... if you wouldn't ride a bike that way, a motorcycle should be out of the question). Daniel Case (talk) 16:07, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Thanks for explaining. Are the curves in every room original or just the product of this combination of photos with different vanishing points? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:37, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Regretful oppose Foreground way too unsharp for this sort of picture, looks like there was diffraction but without any aperture setting in the metadata I can't tell. Daniel Case (talk) 18:26, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose interesting motif - but unfortunately photographed at the wrong time (and also out of focus). Any chance you can return there when the lighting is better? --Martin Falbisoner (talk) 07:31, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Support Viewing the rebuilt One World Trade Center through the top of the Oculus, part of a new transportation hub adjacent to the World Trade Center site. For context, the design of the Oculus is directly connected to the September 11th attacks, with its axis following the angle of the sun that morning, at the time the second tower fell. Nominating after a suggestion at QIC. — Rhododendritestalk | 06:48, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support It is a very well composed photograph, where the slighty diagonal adds dinamicity to the whole sublject; those ights on the left are placed perfectly. The general grey tones looks very fine. In some way it looks like a palm tree leave. Excellent job!Paolobon140 (talk) 10:15, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support Great photo. I'm not sure the OWTC would fit in (and be upright) the opening if this was done diagonally. The juxtaposition of that significant building adds a layer to the compo. --cart-Talk11:03, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The horizontal aspect doesn't work for me. A vertical aspect crop (e.g. 3:4) strengthens and enlarges the central arc/building and has less of the rather grey walls. However, I'd prefer if this were done with a camera held that way, than further cropping this image -- it's already not particularly high resolution/detail. See File:WTC Transporation Hub interior 2017b.jpg -- not a great photo but shows the same subject in a vertical orientation. Looking at the category, I'm sure we can expect several FPs from this spectacular building, and several other attempts at this particular view (see [4], [5], [6], [7]). An HDR approach may also handle better the contrast between sky and interior which surely doesn't look that dark to the eye. -- Colin (talk) 12:58, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
So now we are opposing to photos on the grounds that there might some day be better photos here? Sounds strange to me, to be honest. Also this crop shows the "palm tree leaves" better. --cart-Talk13:19, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
cart It's a generous suggestion. Don't underestimate hobby photographers what they can do to get great shot. Much more than reshoot. I did try that on Adobe, before I wrote. --Mile (talk) 14:08, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Cart, no, that's not the main reason for my oppose, which is the frame-orientation and the lighting. However, although this view was new to me, and is an interesting combination of the two elements, I'd like to support a photo at FPC because it is a great photo, not just because someone pointed a camera at a great subject. And also I do try to ensure the image is among the "finest" by checking out the category. Hence I shared my opinion that this building was spectacular and worthy of several FPs.
If you search on Google Images for "st paul's from one new change" you will see many photos where the photographer has framed St Pauls cathedral with the glass sides of "One New Change" shopping centre. Or search for "st paul's millennium bridge" where St Pauls is framed with the leading lines of the Millenium Bridge. Both views of St Pauls are "wow" views, captured innumerable times by millions of tourists, but that doesn't necessarily make any photo of it a "wow" photo. So, I think this here is a wow view, in a building with lots of potential, but I don't think the photo here is a wow photo for me. And I'm happy to wait for one. -- Colin (talk) 14:38, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose It is interesting and useful image but I think a panorama of the monestery and hermits caves would be better. The top half of the photo is not helping and the subject becomes small in the frame. -- Colin (talk) 16:49, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Colin's compositional critique, also seems maybe a bit oversaturated and could possibly be sharper. QI very likely but not an FP. Daniel Case (talk) 18:26, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Support Very nice - a genuinely cool scene. :) BTW, that guy on the left looks like he's about to blow the horn with his nose ... :D --Peulle (talk) 11:08, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Info View of the Metropolis Building, an office building located at the corner of Calle de Alcalá and Gran Vía, center of Madrid, Spain. The building, of Beaux-Arts style, which was quite unusual at the time, was designed by Jules and Raymond Février for the insurance company La Unión y el Fénix and was inaugurated in 1911. The ground level is topped by ornate colonnaded upper floors. The columns support 4 statues representing Mining, Agriculture, Industry and Commerce and the rounded cupola is covered with 30,000 leaves of 24 carat gold. All by me, Poco208:10, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Regretful oppose So much that went right with this, so much attention to detail (literally and figuratively), but Yann and Benh are right about the light. Daniel Case (talk) 07:43, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose I agree with Martin Falbisoner and before he suggested the blue hour, I was thinking to a full moon, in order to reveal the shapes of the buildings, especially those on the right. Here my regret is that the picture shows like small lights only in a full dark, since the walls have nearly the same color than the sky. "Too dark" was my first impression, too. Though I can imagine that better lighting conditions were difficult (or maybe impossible) to obtain, depending on the situation, I tend to believe that the image in this state lacks of something. The time of exposure seems also a bit short, with a f/3,5 diaphragm, which leads to blurring buildings on the right side. Displayed on the central windows, the message "light the night" is certainly interesting and valuable, but the global aspect is not attractive enough, I'm afraid. -- Basile Morin (talk) 08:16, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Per others. The tone, a dark mucky brown, just isn't appealing. There are better times to capture the evening/night. -- Colin (talk) 12:36, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Moderate support I suppose it could be better (I could see cropping in from the right), but this works for me. Do we have any other FPs of the Chicago skyline at night to compare? Daniel Case (talk) 18:12, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose I see what you tried to do here, and I quite like the framing of the one man in the centre, but simultaneously I feel that the second (left) person who is only partly visible sort of ruins it, along with the fact that too much of the image consists of the clothing around. To me it's like having a very small painting framed by a huge frame. Good effort but it hasn't quite worked, IMO.--Peulle (talk) 22:19, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Per others. I've also left a note. The man washing is a little hard to see,with his face in shadow. Don't know if your processing can lighten his front a bit. -- Colin (talk) 16:44, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment it is well composed, nothing to say, with its thirds and everything, but i dont see a rel wow feeling here. Looks more like an honest picture similar to other thousands. The dry vegetation gives a sense of sadness. Paolobon140 (talk) 10:21, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Hmmm. The pool and the small waterfalls are exquisite but Paolobon has a point. I wonder if it wouldn't be better to concentrate on the pool with a radical crop (see note or something like it) The photo is large enough to stand such. --cart-Talk11:15, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Uhm, there is something I must be missing. When a photographer is taking a photograph, we are assuming that he hes already in his mind and eyes how the picture will be. By composing in his viewfinder, he alredy has very clear in his eyes a preview of the printed photo. If a photographer is taking a picture and then reach a result by cropping and reviewing what he has shot, hes not a photographer, he is a graphic, maybe good for the web. Am i wrong? Or am i missing the final scope of photography? Paolobon140 (talk) 14:57, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That may be true if you are a seasoned professional photographer. Here most of us are hobby/amateur photogaphers and we often discuss improvements in each other's photos. That way we learn from each other and can take better photos in the future. The Wikiproject is not only about gathering knowledge and images, it is also about learning. --cart-Talk15:17, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Well said, Cart. Paolo, we often crop images here to improve them. On any given day, you can probably find 1-2 current FPCs that were cropped. It's quite common. PumpkinSkytalk15:19, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Like this photo, Paolobon140 !? ;-) Besides, a lot of motifs simply can't be properly taken without doing some necessary work in post - like cropping. Example: architecture shots without TS lenses. You keep your ultra wide angle lense straight (=perpendicular) and cut of any unwanted foreground later. Besides, as a media archivist: Historically, many important/iconic/famous images were actually cropped to some extent. I kid you not. ;-) --Martin Falbisoner (talk) 16:40, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yes dear Martin, exaclty like taht photo! That photo is part of a larger series (about 36 photos) which was a kind of travel documentary between Vietnam and Thailand. All the 36 pics were taken to be cropped and printed with the ratio you see in the file which has been adapted to 1000x444 pixels. All the 36 pics have been worked to obtain the same acid colour, similar to some cross-processing. In that way the whole set of photos has the same printing size and the same colour look. When i was shooting in the streets or on trains, markets etc, i was already imagining that the final pic would have been cropped to that ratio and i kept some air on top or on the bottom part. It is quite diffcult to do, but we can get used:-) Unfortunately this particular pic is a bit blurred on the right woman's face and has been discared. But notice when the photograph is printed at 25 cm width you cannot notice the blurred area (thats why i think pictures should only judged when printed) But i can upload the full size originaal pic so you can judge. I understand your point of view: my way of photographing is "no crop" so that every pic can keep the same lens width: if you shoot with a 28mm the picture must look like if it is taken with a 28 mm, not a crop of the pic. That is the reason why i only use fixed lenses, so that the photographer will have to move to search for the good scene, and not the lens. Its a suggestion i always give: use fixed lenses so that you will have to move to search frr the best scene-) Paolobon140 (talk) 17:06, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Paolobon140, I think I got you now re: "cropping despite a no-crop policy." Besides, please do keep in mind that there's a couple of very experienced photographers here on FPC. I'm sure you just hope to give valuable hints and input (which you actually do for many beginners) - but be careful not to sound overly condescending when doing so. Just a (truly friendly) advice. --Martin Falbisoner (talk) 18:00, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Martin, yes i understand everyone has his own way of seeing photography and when i comment on a photo here, I never look at the name of the photographer and i never look at his portfolio on Commons, just to avoid being influenced from other pictures of the same photographer. I find it a good idea for myself, as it gives me the possibility to concentrate on the picture only. I have seen really good pictures here and i like many of them, and when i see a picture i like, i get enthusiastic! For the crop-no crop policy: I always try to compose a picture trying to preview how the pic will look without cropping it; its a god exercise (for me, of course) becasue it forces me in finding the best composition and keeping the characteristics of the lens intact. I usually shoot with 28 and 35mm lenses; i abandoned 20mm becasue they are too wide for my taste. I recognize the very experienced photographers here and i feel a bit shy to comment on their pictures cause i feel they dont need comments:-) By the way, for the crop-no crop matter, here is the original format of my picture taken on a train: https://ibb.co/eB88A6 I keep liking the non cropped one more and may i ask your point of view?.
Interesting pic, crop or no crop. There's a couple of technical issues that might give a potential nom here a hard time - but from a purely pictorial point of view a keenly spotted example of travel photography. --Martin Falbisoner (talk) 06:48, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
And here comes my question: where does the reason of uploading full size pictures come? When you print a picture most of the flaws disappear:-)Paolobon140 (talk) 19:53, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Paolobon140, you come on very strong in your opinion about photography. I'm sure no one will ever dare to suggest a crop of any of your photos after this explanation, but please keep in mind that there are as many ways of photographing as there are photographers. I hope you will allow us to continue our suggestions and discussions here between us on other nominations than yours. --cart-Talk18:13, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
LOL Cart, if this is a kind way of saying you will not comment of any pic of mine anymore, well, I am a bit sad for that. I like to comment on pictures and i like to share the ones I find sharable here:-)Paolobon140 (talk) 19:55, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Of course not. You will have my two cents in spades. :) I will only think twice before suggesting a crop. I will see your photos as something I can support or not, but I'll not suggest any alterations since I understand that you are uncomfortable with such. Oh, and you might want to re-think the "look at his portfolio", there are women here too, strange as it may seem. ;) --cart-Talk20:33, 28 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - The composition doesn't really work for me. I think if you cropped about 1/3 of the remaining pool and to the edge of the waterfall on the left, it would work for me. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:48, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose There is a technical issue, visible at 100%, especially on the rocks in the foreground: the horizontal contours seem to be doubled. Maybe the camera was moved during the exposure? (See image notes.) --Till (talk) 18:38, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose - This composition isn't working well enough for me that I would consider it an FP, though I actually love the contrast of the conifer. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:37, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose - Glary white background and light is not a good choice with this very white garlic sauce in a clear glass dish. How about a black background and a colored (blue?) dish? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:06, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Or how about an actual kitchen? I don't really understand the idea. It isn't a product shot, where an on-white or on-black background may be appropriate, as the cloves and sauce is presented. So I'd expect a kitchen table to feature. -- Colin (talk) 21:27, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak support Quality and light are good, but the composition is not optimal. It would be better to have the whole bots, and that the boy is not exactly in the middle. See en:rule of thirds. Regards, Yann (talk) 14:12, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I think this is a great photo and I don't care at all about the cutoff of the boat the boy isn't in - painters do that kind of thing constantly, and IMO it does no damage whatsoever to this composition. I also don't care about a rule of thirds, only whether when I look at the picture, it works for me. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:08, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose Sorry but it's a no from me. The left crop is tight, the light there is slightly dark, but the biggest problem is that it's not sharp enough.--Peulle (talk) 11:21, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Much better than some with the right sort of ingredients in the photo. I agree the right side of the photo is not sharp. Perhaps the f/4.5 was too little DoF and if a tripod had been used then a smaller aperture could be used. I'm a bit puzzled about the random arrangement of food around the plate, as these don't appear to be ingredients (perhaps the garlic is). Usually one sees a presentation like this for the ingredients to make a finished dish, or to see optional garnish like chopped parsley for a dish ready-to-eat. The position of the spoon is also a little odd to me -- I'd expect it at the side of the bowl or in it. -- Colin (talk) 21:36, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Support I usually don't like when food is presented on a paper background, and prefer a natural kitchen/dining arrangement. However, these blue fruits suit this arrangement. The colours and composition are pleasing. However, I would say that if you are going to go to the trouble to focus-stack, then you really need to get everything front-to-back. Instead here we have the bottom two fruits significantly out-of-focus and a rather abrupt transition to perfectly sharp fruit for the rest of the bowl, which just look weird. It would have been nice to get everything sharp including the white bowl border all the way round. -- Colin (talk) 18:19, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Yes, stacking - you can see Category bellow: Focus stacking images of food. I even try more to be out, not so sure, but sometime, when shooting one type of food you dont need to focus on all. Here neither i want to. Problem is those 4 were so close, and on macro all is so close. It's not paper, see the bottom in one of those 4, its white background - textile. So, i even wanted back of it a bit out of focus. Food shots arent panorama, unfocused stuff in very often presented. White bowl, white backgoround → bowl doesn't need to be sharp, if black back and white bowl then borders should be more sharp. Some poeple even join (blurr) white bowl with white back. --Mile (talk) 19:27, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The problem with a partly-done focus stack, as we see here, is the rather abrupt change from sharp fruit/bowl throughout most of the image, and the front portion. This is not how one's eye sees it nor how a typical photograph works. We normally get a visual clue about distance in a 2D image like this, by the way the focus slowly changes, but here that clue is disrupted and the effect is a bit artificial. To be honest, I don't see the need to focus stack food photos, and doing so gives the impression that FPC or good food photography somehow needs front-to-back sharpness. -- Colin (talk) 12:37, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Actually my intention was to focusstack just piece of it (and more wider than single shot would do), so not all. Since i put 4 down on right, i wanted them sharp, thats why blueberry on left (in bowl) seems out. Different stuff is in this shot, different fruits and i wanted them sharp, so stacking needed. And one more is above now, cake, not stacked, i like it as it is. And i dont know how much now people want it to be sharp, what portion... So best, do as you consider best. One will vote not sharp, one will say dont stack. So best is up to my taste. --Mile (talk) 13:44, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- Impressive. Focus stacking often leaves stacking errors in the merged photo. Either you got lucky with the initial merge or you spent a lot of time fixing stacking errors. Only one of my stacks has got to FP. PumpkinSkytalk13:57, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Mile, PumpkinSky and anyone interested. If you have trouble with stacking a lot of photos, you can reduce the chance of stacking errors by stacking the pics a few at the time and then combine those. Say you have 18 pics, taken in a sequence of say back to front and you want to process those in Photoshop. Combine three photos at a time: 1-3, 4-6, 7-9, 10-12, 13-16 and 17-18. After that you combine the first resulting three and the last resulting three. Finally you combine those two photos. That way your software don't have so many parameters to check against each other and you get cleaner pics with less post-stacking to process. --cart-Talk21:59, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Cart, Mile, and all others: Thanks Cart! A wise photographer also taught me that even though for a particular single shot you may want f10-11, if you are taking multiple shots for a focus stack, to cut that to say F5-7 or so. PumpkinSkytalk23:48, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Might be some on it, but i am used to correct it manually, doing stack you need to learn. PumpkinSky thats because software is taking sharp part, my m4/3 and APS-C is more on 5-7 than 10-11, that is for FF probably. But FF isnt good for macro. --Mile (talk) 08:57, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I'm going to differ from all the support and praise by saying that I don't understand why you focus-stacked, when the result was for part of the picture to be unsharp. I'm not going to bother opposing because that incongruity bothers me, but I really don't get it. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:05, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Ikan Kekek one of those 4 out should be sharp, if not stacked nothing is fully sharp. Doing single shot is option, but probably something like this. There was cake yesterday, nice looking cake. They minus it i couldnt even vote. Because was "not sharp". One more reason, i couldnt make one for English Wiki and one for Commons. Since i know there might be problem. --Mile (talk) 17:06, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Question - No vote from me, but could you please add some information in the file description about how big these rocks are, because we have no way to know that. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:21, 30 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Per Daniel, it is definitely (also in the last version) oversharpened, specially in the two openings inside the dolmen. Poco211:10, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose It still doesnt work for me. It look more like a cartoon that a photograph, with dimensions of stones which is not understandable. The picture looks overworked in photoshop and the result is something i find quite fake. Paolobon140 (talk) 10:56, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose I don't really get anything out of this, due to the discordance of the horizontal and vertical shapes. The big trunk at right is also very distracting. Daniel Case (talk) 17:44, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment I would concentrate just on square, arches are more spoiler here. But you need to enlight mannualy around, its too dark around the window. --Mile (talk) 08:45, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I was thinking about limiting myself to the square, but the mixture of daylight and artificial light points is interesting. Therefore it is better that the area around the window is not too bright.--Ermell (talk) 17:42, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - This is a very good photo, but as many times as I look at it, I'm still not sure it's an FP, because I'd like it to be a little sharper so that my eyes can look at it (especially the decorations) restfully. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:10, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment Unfortunately at f/22 on a grey uniform background having no spots is very hard: more than the sensot seems like the lens is dirty. But, beyond the spots (that you wouldnt notice if you print the photograph) i find it a good photo:-)Paolobon140 (talk) 11:35, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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@Neptuul: I cropped some distracting obstacles, which I could not avoid otherwise without triggering an alarm. For me, the present crop is the best choice. --Uoaei1 (talk) 06:40, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose Rather plain presentation -- where is the cutlery for me to eat this or glass to drink with it? The urnebes and plate seem a bit over-exposed. The camera has focused in front of the plate and the f/3.5 does not forgive that, meaning the plate is not in focus. Kiril, what is making you go "wow" about this? Just having a DSLR + food does not make an FP. -- Colin (talk) 17:44, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Along some similar lines to Colin, I don't think the DoF is quite deep enough; the out-of-focus part of the pork chop isn't bad but IMO makes this photo less than the best of the best. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:43, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Support I was surprised we didn't have a FP of the Western Wall on Commons, given its cultural significance and visibility (we do have this one featured on hewiki, but its purpose is more historical). I'm nominating this one (as opposed to say, this) because I like the way the moderate distance and vertical orientation include some feeling of the people standing there while keeping the wall as primary subject. — Rhododendritestalk | 05:19, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I like the wall and the composition generally, but I feel like I'm going to slip to the left. I haven't been there since 1977. Does the floor slope that way? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:49, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment While I might be able to overlook the slightly abrupt transitions between the images, the middle one on the far right (no. 12, I believe) is out of focus and it just annoys me too much to support it at this stage.--Peulle (talk) 17:09, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Peulle, that flea was a bit out of focus and both photos I took of that one are the same. I have sharpened him selectively now and uploaded a new version (you may need to use Ctrl-F5 to bypass your browser's cache) -- Colin (talk) 18:08, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Mile I don't know what you mean? It seems acceptably sharp. Or do you mean he's not a "vector of disease", which I agree. Please remember the image is 18MP and offered as a whole poster, rather than 18 FP-quality images. -- Colin (talk) 18:08, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I was menaning for topic, snake is clean animal, so i was wondering why snake is with insects and rats. More question for them, who made this front. --Mile (talk) 19:14, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Mile yes. I wonder if the brief for the artist wasn't "vectors of disease" but just animals associated with public health issues. Snake bite is a public health issue in some countries. Bed bugs apparently haven't been shown to be vectors of disease but are a public health problem. Rats carry fleas which carry plauge. And housefly transmits bacteria but not classic parasites. But today the work is known as the "gilded vectors of disease". -- Colin (talk) 21:19, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment While I like this a lot more than the previous FP, this is a fresh-out-of-the-camera image. Makes me wonder if we are going to keep seeing random marble photos of Jupiter streaming in. So I wonder if we'd be better off giving Juno a chance to organise his portfolio rather than just going "oooh" every time a new space photo arrives. -- Colin (talk) 18:58, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Info Mountain trip from Arosa via Scheideggseeli (2080 meter) en Ochsenalp (1941 meter) to Tschiertschen. Lovely mountain lake Scheidegg Seeli (2080 meters). All by -- Famberhorst (talk) 18:03, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral This is a nice view but for my taste I wish that there weren't any traces of vehicles or machinery. I'd prefer to see it more natural. --Basotxerri (talk) 09:32, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I understand your point of view very well, Basotxerri. Once they were there, I tried to imply them into the composition of the image. -- Johann Jaritz (talk) 14:05, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Sorry, the tracks ruin the composition for me, and not because they're tracks but because their shape doesn't work for me in this context. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:37, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Info View of the rich ceiling of the church and Monastery of St. Francis, Quito, Ecuador. The Roman Catholic temple, finalized in the 16th-century, is the largest architetural ensemble among the historical structures of colonial Latin America. The church is also featured by the mixture of different architecture styles as its construction took 150 years. Poco211:06, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support Quite hideous. Btw, the wavy lines at top and bottom -- are they because the wall woodwork isn't straight or are we seeing some uncorrected lens distortion? -- Colin (talk) 18:33, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Uugh that scene. How could anyone concentrate to be in that room? I'm going to have to go for a lie down and rest my eyeballs. -- Colin (talk) 19:02, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Support I find it an excellent picture with a smart composition divided in thee vertical parts: colours are bright and the presence of few people gives more warmth to the photo. All the right part is interesting with its colours and decorations, the left part shows that this is actually a metro station. Well done.Paolobon140 (talk) 10:47, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I don't think it is quite at the level of most of our other similar metro FPs. There are others that are no sharper than this, but it would have been a plus if it was sharper. However, I think the station either needs to be empty of people or else they are helping the picture. Here the eye is led towards a random clump of people facing away from the camera wearing dark clothes. It would have really made this photo if we had a larger couple walking towards us (or the train) and colourfully attired. -- Colin (talk) 18:29, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This matter of sharpness starts being annoying. Even the Last supper by Da Vinci is not sharp. I ask you all to reconsider your ways of judging a photograph Paolobon140 (talk) 18:32, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Paolobon140, I kind of agree that sharpness shouldn't be a reason to oppose this. If we look at the many other metro photos we have, most of them are no better. Often this is because tripod photography is not permitted, or longer exposures mean people aren't sharp. I share your despair about pixel peeping and have written about it here. If you note my review carefully says that if this was sharper that would have been a plus. We are drawn to the people in the image, both because we are drawn to people anyway and because the lines lead us there, and they are disappointing -- soft dark shapes walking away from the camera, overlapping with more distant people. Interior photography at FP level does I think require some patience and perseverance to capture the scene when quiet or when the other people are cooperating. -- Colin (talk) 18:41, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Colin, i understand your point of view but i think we should start talking about this catchphrase about sharpness. A picture talks by itself, and sometimes sharpness is not a plus or its even a minus. Ok, i will take a close portrait of an aged woman, lets say about 60 years old: what kind of lens will you use? I would use a 100 mm softfocus lens, which is intended to reduce sharpness, in order to avoid to show the old lady how old she is in her photograph. The result will be a good possibly unsharp portrait where an aged lady doesnt show all the wrinkles etc. I might even use a red filter in addition if im shooting black and white, which is reducing sharpness even more. Then i will post that photo here. What will i get? A number of "oppose" becasue the photo is not as sharp as the people here like? Colin, i find you a very good counterpart here in discussing about photography, so can you please answer this question of mine? And whou will tell the impressionists that their paints were nt good becasue not sharp enough? Paolobon140 (talk) 19:01, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
In my essay on pixel peeping I tried to separate "bold subjects" from "detailed subjects" to consider what level of perfection we might need/expect in an image at pixel level. And of course there are other groupings such as impressionistic or portrait photography. When I mention a "plus" for sharpness (detail), I'm thinking of the sort of image that could well be blown up huge and enjoyed in great detail and I've taken a few of them myself. But for many pictures I'd be happy if it prints in high quality at A4, say. In my experience, portrait photographs get a rather hard time at FPC and very few of us reviewers have ever tried to take any such photos for FP. So you can work out for yourself that review comments for those are likely not based on personal experience, unlike the dozens of photos of architecture for example. I'm afraid your 100mm soft focus photography has gone out of fashion and we are expected to pay $1500 for this or this super sharp lenses, and the Photoshop the result. So yes, your soft focus grandma may well be killed at FPC. But sometimes not: FPC is a roulette wheel. I think if your old lady was an interesting enough subject and you displayed great skill with lighting, then you'd have people going wow before they click the magnify button on their browser. -- Colin (talk) 19:25, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Paolobon140, if you want to get acquainted with what sort of photos get promoted to FP without having perfect sharpness, you should take a look at the work of Tomascastelazo. His photos often have such intensity and wow that sharpness comes a distant second. Examples: 1, 2. Or the work of Ggia with photos like these: 1, 2. Sharpness in photos is only a factor when it is possible, expected or vital for the composition. It is not always demanded for FPs (examples: 1, 2). --cart-Talk22:41, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
While I'm most certainly no stickler for petty pixel peeping, I don't think we should deliberately disregard all technical qualifications when assessing an image. I do agree that overall sharpness tends to be an overrated category though. That being said, I (personally) would not use a soft focus lens (or "secretaries' prettifier" as my organization's old photographer used to quip). Ever. But that may be a matter of taste. Paolobon140, please do go ahead and nominate bold images. But please don't be too disappointed if the roulette wheel turns against you. Been there myself, done that myself, experienced that myself. So did Colin and many others... --Martin Falbisoner (talk) 07:20, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Paolobon140: I agree with most of what Colin, W.carter and Martin Falbisoner wrote above. Commons FPC already sets itself apart from similar places at the Wikipedias by requiring some kind of wow-factor. That's a pretty subjective thing and people are used to see the "wow" in a beautiful landscape, a well-reproduced painting or even in technical perfection (focus-stacked HDR extreme macro). But the Wikimedia projects have always been more about content than about form, so it is difficult for some people (including myself, I guess) to get away from that and see the "wow" in the photograph itself. I think the appreciation for those "bold" nominations has been growing considerably lately, though. Heck, I almost managed to get the star for a massively grainy film shot taken on a semi-functioning SLR from the sixties ;-) I, for one, would very much welcome more photographic "wow", so please keep 'em coming! --El Grafo (talk) 13:05, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support Short of focus stacking, which would have been very impractical in this situation, you weren't going to get perfect sharpness all the way through. Not with a narrower f/stop; that would have required compromising on the exposure. Daniel Case (talk) 01:03, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I think sharpness is not great but acceptable for this kind of image. But we've seen a bunch of pretty astonishing shots of metro stations at FPC (scattered across the"Interiors" gallery), and in my opinion this one is a bit behind the others in terms of "wow". --El Grafo (talk) 08:47, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose Really not clear what this is a composition of. What made you pick this viewpoint vs any other. Also there's something out-of-focus in the bottom right. -- Colin (talk) 16:37, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - The blurred thing in the lower right corner kills the composition and would cause me to decline it at QIC as well, though if it weren't there, it would be a good photo but not necessarily a great one. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:00, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Info This picture was in my last year in Venezuela and I take this picture on the end of a long fishing day with my family, it not was a market or whatever, the fish was alive in this picture. All by -- The Photographer19:00, 3 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support The crop doesn't bother me here because the main subject seems to be the central fish, the one with a visible head and beautiful colors -- Basile Morin (talk) 04:30, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Agree the top crop is a bit unfortunate with only two fish, and one facing away too. The top left corner is a little distracting and I'd like to see a proportion with more room in front of the fish than behind. You could try cropping off some of the left and bottom. -- Colin (talk) 16:03, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Info Yachts at Zoebigker harbour (lake Cospuden), Saxony, Germany. You can find some other versions of the same scene on the file description page. All by me. --Code (talk) 14:58, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support I'd be tempted to clone out the thin line of cloud on the far left. What's the thing sticking up there? A tree or a TV mast? -- Colin (talk) 21:41, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Support -- I saw this at QIC a little bit ago and instantly loved it, and flagged it as a FPC possibility. I love the way the gently winding road makes a leading line toward the center (from the side) and into the point at top center where the mountains drop off into the valley. I also love the colors and sharpness. The unpainted wooden rail fence adds a nice rustic, rural motif too. PumpkinSkytalk03:43, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I salute PumpkinSky for providing an eloquent argument for this picture. That's great and worth emulating. However, I don't happen to agree that this is a great composition. Maybe if there were something striking in the upper right corner of the sky, I might feel differently. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:10, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak oppose Colorful, yes, but looks too much any other deep-sky astrophoto. Were it of just one or both nebulae it might be more striking. As it is it's just too busy. Daniel Case (talk) 20:52, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
CommentIkan, Daniel: just for the record in the case you didn't realise it. This image was not published by the NASA ant taken with the Hubble, but is the work of a Wikimedian! Poco206:27, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Question - Why is it unfair in FPC to compare the work of a Wikimedian astronomer that was funded by Agencia Nacional de Investigación e Innovación de Uruguay with NASA photos? Is there a new category of "photos by Wikimedians" that we should separately consider, or is Featured pictures/Astronomy the correct category for considering this photo? Do you feel the same way about reproductions of paintings: That we shouldn't consider the photos put out by museums or Google Art Project when deciding what is an FP? I would disagree. FPC is about the best of the best, regardless of source. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:19, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Poco a poco: I wasn't comparing it to NASA work, not implicitly and certainly not explicitly. I was just saying it's rather busy. I mean, good work for an amateur, but that doesn't change the FPC standard. Daniel Case (talk) 20:43, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment (Pictogram voting comment.svg Comentario),The photo was taken with a Nikon D700 camera with a 500mm Nikkon lens, in Piggyback on a telescope at the Los Molinos Observatory, nine shots were graded and then added using pixinsight, a software for astronomical photography.--fedaro (talk) 18:47, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment What I like is the gestalt of the whole photo: the intense colors, the calm still water with sharp reflections, the lines that lead you to the lines leading to that small entrance to the marsh reeds just below that branch that is sort of in the center. PumpkinSkytalk01:31, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I can see what you are getting at and it would have been a great photo if the bushes down right and right had not been in the way. That would have let the pine branch hang over clear blue water. Having something between the camera and the main motif is very seldom a good idea. I'm sure it felt fantastic being in such a place. --cart-Talk10:08, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@W.carter: It's a very pretty trail, very peaceful, but unfortunately we can't cut down the trees and bushes. This was the best angle for a photo at that spot. Thanks for seeing what I saw. PumpkinSkytalk11:47, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Info Free specimen of Colobinae Jerdon / Semnopithecus - subfamily of the Old World monkeys of the Cercopithecid family - at the Monsoon Palace in Udaipur,Rajasthan, India. The photo wants to tell the degradation produced by human pollution represented by waste and the devastating impact it has on nature. Created, uploaded and nominated by Buiobuione -- Buiobuione (talk) 12:49, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Distracting background (and noisy) and also we should see the eyes of the animal. This is not waste. People feed these animals. Poorly categorized and described. This is a southern plains grey langur (Semnopithecus dussumieri) Charles (talk) 16:33, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Charlesjsharp and Charlesjsharp: You are right. The background distracts and you can not see the eyes, thanks for pointing out two details that I had not noticed. The bag of chips, however, took the monkey from the ground and anyway I think it represents a sign of the devastation of the environment that a monkey can have access to a bag of chips. The photo was taken in Udaipur, northern India, on December 1, 2017. BuiobuioneBuiobuionetalk19:49, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose Nice artistic shoot and composition, however, like Colin told you. For us is important see the natural colors. Try change for the natural version and I could change my vote. --The Photographer16:05, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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QuestionBasotxerri (also pinging Michielverbeek and Llez since this might interest them too), the farmers where I live have started to use pale green plastic wrapping on the silage bales instead of the usual white, probably to make them look eco-friendly and blend in better with the landscape. Is this the case here too, just like in this photo? To me it doesn't look like a green tint on white, more like the bales are supposed to be green. --cart-Talk08:01, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
You might want to clean up the description and the categories a bit since silage and hay are not the same. Silage is fermented (it ferments inside the bales) grass or other crops while hay is dried vegetation (hay bales are always open in some way to allow oxygen in). --cart-Talk11:42, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I've removed hay bales, although I'm really not sure what they do technically. As far as I know they cut the mountain grass, let it dry on a sunny day and then they put it in a silage bale. Next time in the Alps, I'll observe this better. --Basotxerri (talk) 12:04, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Grass for silage is usually let to dry off a bit for a couple of days to remove excess moisture, before it's put into silage bales. The things you accidentally learn when you suddenly find yourself living in the middle of farms... :-P --cart-Talk12:42, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Sorry, nothing outstanding to my eyes. I actually would like a composition in which you cropped out most of the hills to focus on the bales more. I don't find that the composition promotes eye movement that effectively. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:41, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Paolobon140, I'm not sure I understand your oppose here. I see a very high contrast scene, and possibly that is enhanced (+ Clarity, say) but hard to tell here as the light should be high contrast already. But I don't see the artefacts one would expect from over-sharpening -- there's no noise in the sky nor halo round high-contrast edges. The lens used here (7mm, equivalent to 14mm on a full frame) is an ultra-wide so I'd expect large depth-of-field giving near-to-far sharpness, excellent centre sharpness but less good towards the edges. -- Colin (talk) 16:24, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Der Colin, the pic iss absolutely overshaped, nothing in real looks so sharp, even the sky. Its not a matter of lenses, cameras, mm, focus, apreture. This pic is so sharpened with Photosho that looks more like a cartoon, in my opinion. ANd, more, there must have been something interesting around the ruins to show, as the ruins themselves arae not an interesting subject, at least for me. Paolobon140 (talk) 13:16, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Paolobon140, I can only think we are talking about different things. When I think of sharpening I'm thinking of (sub)pixel contrast enhancement. I suspect what you are complaining of is local (a region of several pixels) contrast enhancement which with Adobe Lightroom and ACR is achieved using the Clarity control. This can indeed make textures look hyper-real and artificial and perhaps that has happened here. Would Ermell tell us if the image has been boosted in that way, or with some sharpening tool? The EXIF data doesn't indicate any clear adjustment because it has been through four programs (Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 6.12, Adobe Photoshop CC 2017, Adobe Photoshop Camera Raw 9.12, Adobe Photoshop Lightroom 6.7) and the last one didn't apply any adjustments that are recorded. -- Colin (talk) 15:52, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment@Colin: @Paolobon140: In Lightroom I corrected perspective, raised the shadows and reduced the lights. Then in Photoshop I removed some lensflares and branches sticking into the picture and then sharpened the picture with Nik sharpener which might not have been necessary. In Lightroom I reduced the highlights again. Sorry for answering so late, I didn't follow the dialogue properly.--Ermell (talk) 09:00, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the details Ermell. I'm not familiar with Nik sharpener to be able to spot its flaws so well as with the Adobe sharpening. But still, I don't see any evidence the sky is sharpened, which seems to be Paolobon140 criticism. -- Colin (talk) 09:11, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Qualified support I wish more could have been done to tamp down the highlight on the clouds at upper right, but realistically I don't think you could go much further than this without making other compromises. Daniel Case (talk) 17:08, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose Good composition and I quite like the way the dam trails off into the distance, but on the whole I feel the technical issues are too great to vote for this one.--Peulle (talk) 10:13, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment Very wow-y and nice but I find the flesh-colored tint on the lower half of the photo a bit disturbing. It looks like the thing that happens very often when you are photographing some shiny metal, you get the color reflection of your hands and face on the metal. I think it would look better if that color was substituted with greyscale (as in describing the color not the technical term or other obscure refs) . --cart-Talk14:07, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Infocart it not flashed, of course, i would get mess here with flash. Its softbox, with lights around. That "hands reflection" isnt my reflextion, first cogset is much different color. --Mile (talk) 14:24, 8 December 2017 (UTC) p.S. I didnt choose BW, i tried, but i did vibrance -46.[reply]
Cart, let's keep greyscale away! I agree the golden tint to the inner cog is natural but the pink/orange tint to the bottom of several cogs is a reflection as Cart suggests. Either skin or the carpet or something else low down. It should be possible to use Lightroom/ACR colour saturation slider to click on the pink/orange bit and desaturate just that tone. -- Colin (talk) 14:29, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
OK, you want more clinical colors. Probably was from book, this is sitting under some angle, made with book. Situated on book with silk thread above, thread was set not to disturb inscriptions on cogset, and latter removed. Yeap. Use what you have. OK, bottom is redone. --Mile (talk) 15:12, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment - Also, I don't think anyone's mentioned this to you yet, but in all portrait photos, you should have a "Personality Rights Warning". -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:35, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Info This person is a neighbour who lives a few houses away from mine. Unfortunately she lives alone, without children at home, and her husband is dead, perhaps the reason of her sad face. But I offered her a print of this photo already and she was extremely happy to receive it, but really much happier than I would expect, perhaps because she had no picture of herself and this one is thus precious. There's another version of this image here. At that moment she had not seen me already. Her face is neutral, and she also looks neutral when facing my camera. At this precize moment when I pushed the shutter button I'm certain she had not already realized that she was taken in picture because I was about 20 meters from her (focal length is 286mm). As a consequence, her facial expression is just natural. Not angry, not joyful, but herself carrying something during the monsoon. After that she was laughing, and I saluted her. -- Basile Morin (talk) 11:05, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support Excellent picture. I also know that this is what a neutral expression can look like when you get old, I only have to look in a mirror. Gravity does that to you. --cart-Talk09:45, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment Looks like you added a bit of sky by stretching out the pixels at the top. (Or?) It's better to use the Content Aware Fill in sections plus a clone brush. I also think this is a subject that would be better for closeups or crazy angles. One thing that ruins the "abandoned house" look is the car. It might be yours, I don't know how many times I've set up my camera only to find that I parked in the wrong place so I'd have to move the car and start over. --cart-Talk08:59, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Quality shot, if you solve sky. Car and composition arent so good. Or, i would put whole car, more to right side, car and house would be good. --Mile (talk) 09:40, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@W.carter, PetarM, Ikan Kekek, A.Savin, and Johann Jaritz: Cart is right, I tried to do a border extension on the sky because I thought the original shot had the top too close to the highest tree (see photo's first upload). If consensus is that the orginal border is ok, I can revert back. The car is not mine, so I can't move it, so I used content aware to clone it out. It seems to have worked rather well IMHO. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks for the inputs. PumpkinSkytalk12:13, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment@PumpkinSky: a) I don't mind the car, but if you want to remove it, do it accurately; there is blur and some parts of the car still visible. b) On the sky, there are still some cloning marks at the right top. c) If you want to keep EXIF data despite of photoshopping, simply put the edited picture over the original and save it. --A.Savin17:00, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@A.Savin: I'm not sure what you mean by "put the edited picture over the original and save it". Here's what I did on this photo, can you tell me what step to change and how: a) edited in LR b) saved to a jpg and upload to Commons (has EXIF data) c) from LR, opened into PS and edited d) saved the file to the same jpg from LR and uploaded the new version to Commons. Thanks. PumpkinSkytalk17:13, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if you edit your raw data with LR, you have an output JPG file which should still have EXIF data. This file you can edit in PS. Then you have two possibilities: a) you do only retouche etc. but keep the original crop; this means you can save the result and you still have your EXIF. b) You have to make a different crop. If you save the crop, the EXIF is lost, but now the trick I meant: copy the crop, replace the original picture by it, and save it as output file. In this case, the EXIF are not lost. I don't know how to explain it better; if you're still not sure, just try it out. --A.Savin17:21, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I really do appreciate all the input. But after removing the smudge and cropping the car out in LR, when I went to PS to do the power lines and border, it never quite comes out the way I want. So I've leaving the photo as it is in the version I uploaded a few minutes ago. It can sink or swim as is. PumpkinSkytalk22:27, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Support I don't think that my vote could change the result, but I really like the idea, the light on the castle, the birds flying between the Morro and the castle. --Harlock81 (talk) 01:11, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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OpposePoc what is so special here. I am more lost in the wilderness of tress. Castle is in small part of photo, compo isnt so good, foreground especially. --Mile (talk) 14:10, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I think I agree with Mile this time. I definitely understand why you want the reflection, but I don't think it's worth all the dried grass and such. I'd like to see a closer-up view of the castle. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:42, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose The high level of chroma noise and lacking detail makes the quality below what's expected from an FP, IMO. I recommend first nominating your images at QIC to see if they are described as good.--Peulle (talk) 20:26, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Paulle, as i already did, i suggest you to calibrate your professional Apple monitor better so that you will be able to appreciate your traffic lights pics even more. A good techincian costs little money.Paolobon140 (talk) 20:54, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I reviewed this image on a brand new Macbook Pro, which was pre-checked by a professional technician before handed out to me at work. There is nothing wrong with the monitor. As for the traffic light photos, those were an effort to contribute some public domain photos to Commons, and most of them are not very good.--Peulle (talk) 08:53, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I do like the light on the face and arm. But Peulle is right: the chroma noise is awful and the shadow parts of the picture quite posterised and lacking tonal detail. These both indicate to me the image was under exposed and recovered in post, which you might have got away with on a new Sony or Nikon but the older Canon cameras are poor for that. Unlike luminance noise, chroma noise doesn't disappear much even if I downsize the image a bit, and unlike film grain, chroma noise has no appealing aspects. As an aside, wrt "over sharpening" discussion elsewhere, I do see some oversharpening here, which a clear white pixel halo to the high-contrast edge with the sky. -- Colin (talk) 22:20, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose While I do get the angle and crop, I mean it's the same representation that Stan Lee came up with in the 1940s and it's been a template for hero shots of all super heroes ever since (you can almost see Hawkman in this), it would need a more dramatic lighting to work here. There are also the technical issues noted by others. Nice try though! I'd love to see someone recreate the extreme angles and light from Sin City: A Dame to Kill For or any of Frank Miller's books. --cart-Talk22:59, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Support - I imagine, though I don't know, that you've gotten the bird's personality across. Regardless, you have certainly captured its gaze. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:27, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment I think you need to use the local adjustment brush to select the background and apply a negative sharpness (of equal value to the positive sharpness you have applied globally) which will cancel out the very strong sharpening applied here. You really mustn't sharpen the out-of-focus areas. The resulting noise is quite visible at screen size. -- Colin (talk) 17:53, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral Nice composition, however, posterization in background, jpeg artifacts, low quality generalized (maybe because camera quality or lens quality) --The Photographer19:03, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Obviously some sharpening is present, could get it - 400mm, but foreground and back could be redone some. At least middle part between the birds. --Mile (talk) 20:13, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support Agree the quality is a bit unfavorable in full size, perhaps because 1/500s was still too long at 400mm. However, the composition with these open beaks face to face is very nice, and the background color highlights the subjects -- Basile Morin (talk) 02:20, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support - "Hey! Would you shut up while I'm talking?" I agree with others that the moment you captured overrides the degree of unsharpness, which is greater than usual for your bird FP nominations but not at all bad. If you know which one is the male and which one is the female (my guess: the male is on our left), or if they're both male and both female, please indicate that in the file description. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:41, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, can't tell the difference. And as you say, the technical quality is not quite as good as a typical portrait shot. But it's more fun, though not quite Tower-of-London-Raven fun. Charles (talk) 09:03, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose An excellent place to make a beautiful composition. Unfortunately the right bottom corner irritates me because my attention strongly goes to all those branches and leaves --Michielverbeek (talk) 15:13, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Regretful oppose I love the composition and want to walk through the monitor into this scene, but it is too unsharp in the background and betrays, on the clouds and the ridgeline, some signs of possible overprocessing to offset a perhaps-blown sky in the original. Daniel Case (talk) 20:48, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Support - I suppose there might be some objections to the sharpness of the trees above the cave, but the subject is really their being seen through holes in the cave, so I think their sharpness is sufficient and the image is quite interesting. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:20, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose My problem isn't so much the sharpness as the unnatural texture of the stone near the openings and the trees seen through them. It may be a byproduct of the tonemapping. Daniel Case (talk) 06:06, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The limestone has been treated by the rain for millions of years, giving it its structure. The trees are unfortunately not optimal which is probably due to the tonemapping. --Ermell (talk) 08:08, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Does not look natural. The winter sky is not bright enough and the underneath not dark enough and the trees just a strange murky colour. I should get the impression of looking from darkness into light, but everything the same. -- Colin (talk) 21:17, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The view goes through the collapsed roof of a cave. The side light is quite natural. HDR was necessary to represent the sky to some extent.--Ermell (talk) 07:51, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The yellow parts are morning sunlight shining in from the side. I uploaded a new version and fixed the bug in the sky.--Ermell (talk) 19:59, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Support -- I love the sense of power in this river and dark colors, especially in that line of clouds--it gives the photo an even stronger intense atmosphere. PumpkinSkytalk12:34, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I agree, but some selective sharpening, particularly of the rocks and vegetation on the right side (if done well) would not be misplaced. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:33, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Yes, the main constraints I had was the speed of the boat and the direction of the sun. Obviously my tripod was of no use here :-) Though I'm still happy with this shot. The other versions I have with the boy looking left make no difference, from my point of view, because his eyes are hidden behind the shadow of his cap, and that detail is probably less important than his particular posture -- Basile Morin (talk) 01:34, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Support Curves and lines going everywhere; from the stairs down and curving to the left ... over the bridge, another bridge... Neat. :) --Peulle (talk) 20:12, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Nice light on the bridge but too much of the photo is unlit. And the couple in the centre of the photo catch they eye but are dark. -- Colin (talk) 21:44, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose I like the ripples on the water and the lighting is nice. I'd be interested in a photo of just that. But the rest isn't doing anything for me. Just looks like you were out for a nice walk in some wetlands and took a few photos along the way. I'm not seeing something to make we go wow for FP. I think the contrast and saturation and blue is unnaturally high (esp compared to this taken a minute different, which I know is underexposed). You can get away with that if doing an abstract but for a natural scene it needs to be modest adjustments. Also, please export your JPGs in sRGB, not "ProPhoto RGB". Many people will not be seeing the correct colours if you use that colourspace, and it greatly increases the risk of posterisation. -- Colin (talk) 16:31, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I think that if you crop out the left side of the photo, more or less along the lines in the note I posted (it should extend to the bottom of the file, but it isn't that easy to control the crop-suggestion tool), I would support it. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:29, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I do what I can. I've learned a lot about photography from participating here, but so far, I'm pretty much only taking cell phone pics and haven't uploaded any yet. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:06, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment Hello Sara and welcome to Commons. I see that you are new here and with this nomination you are certainly jumping in at the deep end. :) Most newcomers are advised to start by first nominating their photos at Quality Images before doing a nomination here. There are a few technical details that you need to be aware of. A photo nominated for QI or FP must have a name that accurately describes the photo and not just a number, it should also preferably have the location in coordinates ( {{Location}} ) and you should also provide which FP category you are nominating this in. If you look above, the slot for that is empty. You have also put your photo in too many categories, they need to be sorted out, you can read about how categorization works here: Commons:Catégories. I don't know how much English you speak, so if it's difficult for you to understand what I have written here, you can make a comment in French and a French user could help you instead. --cart-Talk13:50, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Good advice from W.carter, I second that. Also, just to get the votes in, I Oppose this one for a slight lack of DoF, as well as a compositional issue; I don't really know what the image is trying to be.--Peulle (talk) 20:18, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Support - Yes, there is some posterization where the sunlight maxes out the sensors, but I think it's worth it as part of the overall scene. What do you think? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:42, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The technical inadequacy of the sky is very problematic and burdens the whole picture. There's nothing really to be seen on the rest, except a big mess.--Ermell (talk) 08:03, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Thanks for your review. We'll see what other people think, but what I see other than the sky is a peaceful composition with a good DoF that makes the grasses in the foreground sharp, although the picture isn't nearly as big a file as some other files that have been nominated here lately. If a consensus dislikes the sky a lot, I will withdraw the nomination, but I think it's worth a try. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:25, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose sorry, but the burned sky in the middle ruins this. But, I do like the rest of it, especially the reflections, so I totally understand why you nominated it. If a -EV had been used (it's at 0), this might have worked because then the rest could have been lightened up. PumpkinSkytalk12:29, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose I don't think the vertical format suits this. I just want to see more on the left and right. Your "other version" is horizontal but misses out on the interesting ridge. But the sky just looks really strange. The clouds should be brighter. Looking at the EXIF I see you reduced both highlights (-53, perhaps ok) and whites (-50), and did the opposite for the shadows and blacks. Why boost the contrast +26 then? In my experience, dealing with over-bright clouds/snow is best handled by the highlights control alone, and similarly lifting the shadows is best done by the shadows control alone. I find the blacks/whites controls only really give nice results when used to stretch the white/black contrast (i.e. +white and -black, and rarely ever by the amount the Auto setting wants to do). Trying to use the Whites to lower the brightness of clouds just makes them look dull grey. This was taken at midday, so I'd expect the sky to be bright. The white balance is perhaps a little yellow too. -- Colin (talk) 12:49, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support Oh that's so much happier-looking now. And comparing the other framing-options you added, I'm thinking I like this one better now. A small point, would be to do similar for the blacks and allow those dark crevices on the shadow side of the mountain to go black, rather than having so much of a +black adjustment that there's just a lot of dark-grey. -- Colin (talk) 21:08, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I respect Colin's points but would like to support this photo because it's so striking. Agnes, please address his points and maybe edit accordingly, and then I would expect to support. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:47, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Agnes, this photo isn't actually of a hike you took, but of a specific view during that walk, so I think you should specify in your file description which mountain is in the foreground, and even better would be to describe the names and positions of all mountains in the photo. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:10, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment The bottom half has wow but the bleak washed out clouds don't match the rich texture of the stonework. Any chance of fixing that? --cart-Talk08:51, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
cart: what you do mean? cropping the sky? applying some changes in the curves (e.g. more contrast)? Sorry, I don't know what you are asking for. I don't live near to this location, so if you ask for a new shot, as Ikan did, you will need patience or a flight ticket :) Poco210:18, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No, no re-shoot. :) I know that you are very good at post-processing and the clouds are just very white and feature-less compared to the rest of the photo, so I think it would be nice if you could bring out some more details/texture in them. Maybe add a gradient filter to the sky to reduce the exposure just a little bit or something like that, to bring the sky up to the same level of quality as the rest of the photo. --cart-Talk10:36, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Define overexposed Mile. I rather believe that your statement is based on your guts feeling + easy-trigger to oppose my noms. Lr doesn't see any overexposure, that's a fact. --Poco210:18, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
You have some explanation by cart. What you are looking is burnt, 253 of 255 is overexposured. Just washed white, what viewer wouldnt see. And what is guts-feeling ? I like John Wayne, maybe fast-triggered, but what is guts-feeling ? --Mile (talk) 10:57, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Now cart was fast-triggered on plus. I will see wiki, lets first solve this picture. Check notations for dust...i even didnt put on all. In clouds also. Put hightlight on minus for some. --Mile (talk) 11:11, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think so, Mile, opposing because of a dust spot or something like that is IMHO, as I have stated many times, not really a proof of trust to a photographer wo has fixed those kind of things promptly for many years now. Btw, I removed those spots Poco213:09, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support You see, i think this option is much better than 1st two. Sometime oppose bring well. Instead of talking, put that energy into photoediting. --Mile (talk) 14:30, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Info One more stuff i would mention. 1st option is 20 MB, second (current) is 10 MB. And i dont see any quality difference. So you could spare some space and also help to open photo in places with slow net. I put on Adobe 11 of 12, or 90%-95% on RawTherapee. There are people on English Wiki, kind of erasers. They are removing big files or pages with too much photos. --Mile (talk) 14:37, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I don't upload anything (of one frame) bigger than 12 MB. You can search for an example among my 17,240 files on Commons. The 20MB version of this file was indeed an error (I had exported a pano just before that image and forgot to set the maximum size setting back). Poco216:19, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support I don't think the original file was an exposure error. People interpret "over exposed" in two ways: either so much exposed that it clips and detail is lost, or brighter than they think the scene should look. A blue sky can be pale if there are high clouds and is paler towards the horizon. Having seen the original, one could argue the top of your grad is a little overdarkened, but I probably wouldn't have considered that had I not seen it, or the other photos in the set. -- Colin (talk) 18:06, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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There's nothing unusual about that, either. I've been a geography-lover since I got my first atlas at the age of 6. I'm very experienced in looking at maps, and I just don't think this is that special. If it were 5 or 10 times bigger and more detailed, like the paper maps I had from the National Geological Survey and whatever the Malaysian equivalent was in the 1970s, I would vote to support without a second thought. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:53, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Ikan Kekek: , I'am not sure you understand the work involved in this map. You indeed just uploaded one file to commons, and doesn't seems to have practical map making experience. Ikonact gathered and processed various massives sources, from NASA to OSM, with multiple different data processing. His map is 100% svg, respects Wikipedia map conventions, for the hardest type of maps we have, the "(Topographic) Exchange maps". If your point is that Ikonact, alone, doesnt equal the dedicated team of full time trained cartographers and painters of the 70s, it's kind of telling SpaceX its space rockets sucks because NASA made larger space rockets back in the 70s, when NASA was 2% of the USA's budget. This map is technically one of the best map made and published on commons, and such works have a label, its Featured image / map / picture. --Yug(talk)15:42, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know why you're pinging me after the fact, but on FPC, the whole point is to compare images to the best available in their category, and if that means that really diligent work by Commons photographers in reproducing paintings gets voted down because it's not as good as photographs by the museum itself or by Google Art Project, or in this case, that very good mapmaking by an individual gets voted down because it's not so special in the universe of existing maps, that's what should be done. In this instance, however, a consensus disagreed with me, so your post smacks to me of unnecessary triumphalism. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:35, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Ikan Kekek: There is no really anything about triumphalism. I can just imagine the feeling of @Yug: , who is a known cartographer in Wikipedia, when he sees the statement that this is a very common map. My first reaction was somehow similar but I take your comments as very constructive. Personally, I agree that visually there is nothing exceptional in the map if compared to big editions of Atlas of the World but I do not think that there are too many maps of this quality in Wikipedia and in particular in SVG format. I thank you for your comments because they will help me to generate better maps in the future. I really hope that one day my maps will be able to meet your expectations. Regards --Ikonact (talk) 09:31, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I confirm it was not about post-vote triumphalism, I very simply didn't noticed the deadline for voting. Aside, as a Wikipedian cartographer knowing the workload involved, I wanted Ikonact's work to be judged fairly, including on underlying technicalities which he pushed pretty far. My vote below (not taken into account for the FPC decision due to its date) also explain both skepticism and support for the work. Last, I views the FPC as in the context of wikimedia Commons, while you seems to see it in a broader space, also explaining our diverging appreciation of the work done. Yug(talk)12:03, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support I would change the SVG so it chooses something like Helvetica in priority for the font, but looks quite nice to me. Benh (talk) 20:22, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Well that's a bit more complicated I think. The version we see on the thumbnails (and the PNG restarised by Commons' servers) will use those fonts supported. But putting another font of your liking (in my case Helvetica, but don't feel obliged) will only choose it in priority over the other ones when viewed on a device/engine which supports it. Note that Helvetica is available in Mac, but not necessarily in Windows or Linux (the latter has equivalent, and the former can always fallback to Arial which is similar to Helvetica). Also note that I don't know which font you choose (I haven't opened the sources) but the names of the major cities render with a serif font on my Mac. The font should be chosen wisely! - Benh (talk) 09:19, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Benh: , I use Deja Vu Sans Condensed. This is a font supported in Commons. I usually put sans-serif as a fallback font and thus the system can choose the one defined by default. I can put Helvetica and Arial as fallback too. I will check the issue with this file. May be there is something with the fonts --Ikonact (talk) 09:05, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It seems silly and impossible to account for faulty browser configuration. The sans-serif in the list should allow people to see the font they prefer for all sans-serif purposes.--RaboKarbakian (talk) 02:43, 14 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@RaboKarbakian: There was a problem with the font for the the names of the cities but not for the towns, so @Benh: was partially correct :-) I repaired this and I left Deja Vu Sans Condensed with sans-serif. --Ikonact (talk) 11:51, 14 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Ikonact: Ahha, a lesson for me against spot-checking. My apologies to @Benh: not just for being wrong, but for enjoying discussing it. Personally, it is good to know that Benh the wikimedian has not degraded over the years. :) --RaboKarbakian (talk) 15:00, 14 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I planned to translate it at least in Czech... It is not difficult as the format is text. That's right that there may be little to translate as the names of the cities (with few exceptions) do not change. However, this may be a challenge for non Latin script languages. --Ikonact (talk) 09:05, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I'm sorry but I'll have to agree with Ikan Kekek. That's a pretty goo starting point, but it has some serious issues that need fixing in order for it to qualify as truly outstanding. I'm sure a seasoned cartographer would have some more comments, but here's what I found:
1. I think there's something wrong with the railroads. The symbol suggested for rail tracks by the legend is alternating white and black segments of equal length. That's good, as that's how this is typically done. However, in the map itself, the length of the black and white segments is totally random. It took me a while to figure out that these are supposed to be railways, I first thought it was another two types of road not mentioned in the legend.
2. You have 2 types of road in the legend, differentiated by color (yellow and red). But in the actual map you have 4 types, differentiated by color and width: yellow-thin, yellow-thick, red-thin and red-thick. Either explain the difference between thin and thick in the legend or make them all the same width. The legend not fully describing the map's elements is a serious no-no.
3. Similarly, neither the triangle used for mountain peaks nor the airport symbol show up in the legend.
4. The placement of text labels (especially for the towns) looks like it was done automatically, which leads to lots of problems. For example, there is an unreadable town name hidden behind "Prague". Prague's airport marker collides with the town Hostivice. Štětí north of Prague disappears in a mess of railroad. In some more densely-populated areas it's very difficult do figure out which label belongs to which town marker (e.g. around Ostrava and south of Zlín). There are many more things like this that need manual adjustmends, and I think clarity could benefit from leaving out some of the smaller towns.
5. Many line features (roads, rivers, railroads) are much more detailed than they need to be for this kind of map. Sometimes, railroads are hidden behind parallel roads or rivers by railroads – straighten them out a bit and pull them apart to show them running in parallel. Again: What's going on in Štětí? Finding the right amount of simplification is crucial for map making, and I think this map would greatly benefit from more simplified/streamlined lines.
@El Grafo: Thanks for the comments. I can clean up a bit the map by removing the mess of railroad and some of the town names. I will also improve the legend. However, I will not be able to repair the railroad issue. The railways are from OSM and are in small chunks and it is very difficult to stick all together. The only thing I can do is to propose a discontinued line as symbol. This will not solve the issue but will hide it. However, the biggest difficulty I have is your comment number 5. Personally, I believe that by simplifying, the map will loose its value. So if you believe that discontinued line for railroads and no simplification will be acceptable for featured picture I will be happy. --Ikonact (talk) 14:33, 15 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Ikonact: I see the problem with the railroads, I've run into that issue with OSM data before. It's all chopped up into single line segments which makes it really hard to work with for this kind of thing. I wish I had a good solution for that, but I can't think of one right now (ArcGIS probably has some kind of tool for that, though). I'm not sure I really understand what you mean by "discontinued line", but if you can find some way to cover it up I'm fine with that.
I understand your concerns about simplification, but maybe look at it this way: Every map is always a simplification of reality, and lots of the art of making maps lies in choosing the right amount of en:Cartographic generalization (that's the term I was lacking earlier …) for the intended use (think about subway & metro maps). You can see that on online maps like OSM or Google maps, where the type of things shown and the precision e.g. roads are shown at depend of the zoom level. At lower zoom levels, linear features like roads are drawn much broader than they are in reality (otherwise you wouldn't be able to see any of them) and small bends and curves are straightened. They've put a lot of thought into how to do this automatically in software, but they will probably never reach the quality of a map hand-drawn by a professional. If in reality a road runs parallel to a river, the map should show it like that. If the chosen scale requires both to be displayed broader than they are in reality, so be it. If that means that they are too broad to be displayed next to each other, they have to be moved apart a bit ("displacement") because otherwise the map would be misleading (e.g. showing the river flowing beneath the road). You could say you have to lie a bit to get the message across, but keep in mind that you are not publishing raw geographic data here that is intended to be viewed at the scale of a few metres.
So long story short: The right amount of generalization is crucial for a good map (dozens of books and research papers have been written about that), and I think yours could use a bit more of it over-all. It won't lose it's value – quite the opposite, imho. But hey, I know I can be a pedant, so if the majority of the voters here think it should be featured I'm totally fine with that. Cheers, --El Grafo (talk) 16:11, 15 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Take 5 minutes to examine the work of it, 100% svg, and what it means has earlier skills and processing, and you realize it's quite an impressive work relative to Commons. On the semiology, I must agree with El Grafo's points 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, but it can be fixed and should be. Railways (1) will be technically tuff to solve : OSM provide multi-lines paths, upon which your CSS/styling fails miserably. Yet, the work is already impressive and with the expected fixes at the top of Wikimedia commons maps. Yug(talk)15:42, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose Sorry but I don't see anything special here. The light is flat, the scene is completely ordinary - no 'piff', no 'pizazz', nothing that makes me go: "wow".--Peulle (talk) 23:27, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Nothing that wows me at all. Noisy, quite unsharp and becoming more and more blurry towards the edges showing the lens errors, low on contrast and nearly no details. I wonder why this is a QI. --Granada (talk) 07:45, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose The previous FPC Peulle mentions was a 19MP high quality photo with good background. This is a 2.6MP photo and while the model and pose is fine the seat with loose white covers looks rather inappropriate. The image is simply too small for FPC for this kind of photo (indeed there are vanishingly few images at 2.6MP that would pass FPC for any subject) and while we continue to get 20+MP photos pixel peeped to death, it would be very unfair to pass this, which wouldn't print sharp at A4. -- Colin (talk) 17:36, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support I have opened the photo, its more than A3 size i think. Much more than A4, and should be sharp. So what site is OK then - now is stated above 2.08 MPx ? I miss EXIF data, but it looks like some Kodachrome portrait from some '90 game. Its fine shot i think, maybe this colors suit that era game. --Mile (talk) 20:13, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Mile, what are you talking about? A3 is 420mm tall (16.5"). At 300dpi this can't print taller than 169mm (6.6"). Even A4 is 297mm. Even at 240dpi it doesn't fill A4. Mile please look at our other portraits and see that even full-size-out-of-camera photos get a hard time here. So I have no patience for images that are soft at 10x fewer MP than "our finest". It is fine for a cheesy thumbnail but no more. -- Colin (talk) 21:57, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
300 dpi, why ? I see my screen, it is showing correct ppi/dpi... otherwise than migth change it. This can be printed on A3 and you wouldnt know dpi/ppi. Isnt that pixle peeping ?! I rather see quality on 2 MPx than 20 MPx of failed colors. --Mile (talk) 22:32, 9 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Mmmh. Resolution discussions aside: The colors and the over-all "classic" pin-up style fit my impression of the pre-war era of the Fallout universe very nicely. I agree with Colin about the seat/covers. But what's kind of bugging me is the the bottle: I understand that getting a replica of the rocket-like bottle style introduced with Fallout 4 would be difficult (but not impossible), but printing a proper Nuka-Cola label and sticking it on a classic Coke bottle would have been an easy workaround for the earlier games. Not really blown away, so I guess that's an Oppose --El Grafo (talk) 18:12, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Support It would be even better as a wider panorama, but it's refreshing, heart-lifting and from a place in the world we usually don't get many nominations of. --cart-Talk09:17, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose - Good picture, but the decorations would have to stand out in sharper relief for me to find this outstanding. That might mean fuller light, greater sharpness or both. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:58, 15 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Info created by Buffaboy - uploaded by Buffaboy - nominated by Buffaboy. The Edward M. Cotter is the oldest active fireboat in the world. Here it is escorting USS Little Rock (LCS-9) to Buffalo's Inner Harbor for its commissioning. -- Buffaboy (talk) 01:49, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Info General view of the village of Monterde, province of Zaragoza, Aragon, Spain. The most important heritage of Monterde, that has a population of 198 (data from 2016), are the church of the Assumption (on the right) of mudéjar-style and erected in the 15th century and its medieval castle (top left) from the 14th century. All by me, Poco219:29, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose - Nothing amazing to me, though I'd consider a statement of what's outstanding about this, if someone would like to express that view. Perfectly good picture and long sightlines; is that what's engendering support? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:47, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Slush is never a good look. The right hand side is leaning, possibly because camera is not level. The illuminated street sign is very jarring. -- Colin (talk) 11:28, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Very weak oppose I don't mind the slush at all—it's Sweden in de facto winter, after all, and maybe my own perception is affected by it being two days after our own first snowfall here—but Colin is right about the effect of that street-crossing sign. Daniel Case (talk) 15:51, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I'm afraid that I have to agree with some of my colleges here. Even if slush is very common in Sweden, I tend to think that FPs should be harvested in more appealing weather. The glaring street sign (which is a Living street sign a confusing sort of speed limit sign in Sweden) is also really annoying. --cart-Talk17:29, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose Nice enough reflection and lovely day, but the angle of view isn't good because we can't see the castle and that tall street lamp totally grabs the viewer's attention. -- Colin (talk) 11:25, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Ikan. The subject is the bridge, which to me makes nice pleasing abstract shapes in combination with the reflection, and frankly the elevated drawbridge seems to me to be more distracting than the lamp. Daniel Case (talk) 20:00, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Support Very impressive. It's like watching a movie set from the Harry Potter franchise. :D The shadows are at first thought too dark, but then you realize that such a location should not be illuminated too strongly, and the natural light underpins this.--Peulle (talk) 22:08, 14 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment - Moving monument, but would it be possible to get a sharper picture in brighter light? What direction does the monument face? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:49, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose - I agree with Mile here. The other flowers at the bottom of the frame bother me as a viewer, maybe because they are also cropped off in a random-looking way. And unfortunately, there's no way to crop them out completely (I don't think Mile's proposed crop would work for me). But I'd like to see how this looks with the rest of those flowers included - do you have any way to add more content at the bottom of the picture? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:59, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
There's not much more room available at the bottom (the second flower that's just slightly cut off in this version sits on the bottom edge in the original). I played with some cloning/stretching, but didn't come up with anything worth talking about. I think I'll leave it as is for the time being to get other opinions. I'd rather modify what's there than go with a tighter crop, though. Maybe darkening the background flowers and making them a bit greener to blend into the background more or something... — Rhododendritestalk | 23:10, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment According to the image page, this image has been supported (financially?) by Wikimedia Austria and Wikimedia Germany. How is this possible? There is also a personality rights warning. Is this possibly a promotional funding exercise by Wikimedia Austria? Charles (talk) 12:36, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
This picture along with many others was taken by me with my own camera and lens on December 13th 2017 during the so called Landtagsprojekt Vorarlberg 2017, a project where six wikipedians organised taking photographs of the delegates of the Vorarlberger Landtag to be published under CC-by-SA 4.0 license and to put them into the delegates' articles. The people involved in taking these pictures were funded by Wikimedia Austria in the form of equipment (e.g. the studio flash lights) and a refund of part of their expenses for traveling to Vorarlberg. Wikimedia Germany sent us their studio flash lights as a backup, but it was not needed. These kinds of projects have been done in the past in many local parliaments in Germany and Austria as well and are ongoing work in progress to be repeated after new elections. The personality rights warning is something I personally stick to all my images of people, regardless where and under which circumstances they've been taken. --Granada (talk) 12:59, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the explanation which confirms the pure marketing objective of these images. I note that the politician's Wikipedia article has few citations and is basically Original Research which is not normally permitted. Charles (talk) 13:48, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
What makes you think this is pure marketing? Normal Wikipedians like you and me kindly asked for permission to take photographs of the delegates to the Vorarlberger Landtag which was granted. I took my own car, loaded it with two other wikipedians and the studio flash equipment of the austrian chapter of wikimedia, drove 650km from Vienna to Vorarlberg, had a hard time setting everything up, photographing 36 delegates and 7 members of the government and driving back to Vienna. I took two days off for this, I have a regular job to do to earn money and in my spare time in the evenings after I looked through the images and uploaded the best to commons. We do this to raise the quality of the images of persons, regardless if they are politicians, sports people or other kinds of celebreties. Wikimedia austria helps me with this work as they paid me the diesel I needed for traveling to Vorarlberg and it is great to have the austrian chapter own a complete studio flash light that can be borrowed for free by any wikipedian who wants to do a project like this. In january our athletes for the winter olympic games will get dressed up and we are in negotiations with the OESV if we could use our studio flash lights to take really good portraits of the sports people heading to South Korea. I can see no marketing objective in doing so. --Granada (talk) 14:31, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Wiki loves parliament is an ongoing project that is even supported by the Wikimedia Foundation itself, not just local chapters. Did you realize that I felt questioned my motives, questioned my integrity by telling me the purpose of taking photographs of delegates to a local parliament was purely promotional? --Granada (talk) 16:56, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
(Edit conflict) If there are problems with sources in a Wikipedia article, that should be dicussed on that article's WP talk page. It has nothing to do with the pictures being supplied for the article. I also find the talk about this being some kind of marketing very strange. Many countries have wiki technology pools where equipment for taking photos, recording sound or doing other wiki-things, can be borrowed. As for rounding up politicians and photographing them, I don't see how that should be different from other theme-named photo sessions like all the "Wiki Loves XXX". --cart-Talk16:19, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Likewise I am so confused by what objections are being raised, or why it's being call "marketing". Since when is taking high quality photographs of people deemed notable and encylopedic a problem? Isn't that why many people contribute to Commons in the first place? -- KTC (talk) 13:13, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Good portrait, and I don't understand the controversy. We're supposed to question grant money that helps people photograph public figures? These are national politicians, and therefore inherently newsworthy. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:52, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose For now. Good portrait, but there's some CA between shirt and jacket and I don't see any reason why this picture is downsampled so much. The D850 offers 45 Megapixels and this picture just has roundabout 15. Both issues are fixable I think and I'll be happy to change my vote later. I don't understand the discussion Charles started above, too. --Code (talk) 19:04, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I must admit I did not see the CAs, I told LR to remove them and uploaded the new version. The image itself is not downsampled at all, I was just standing quite far away and did a quite large photo of all the delegates to have enough space for later choosing an adequate frame. --Granada (talk) 19:32, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support In the first place I did not want to support my own picture, but the longer I look at this portrait and other portraits made within projects around wiki loves parliaments, the more I like it to be featured. This kind of portrait in all its simplicity stands for its own and this is the style of portrait I'd like to see in articles about politicians. The neutral lighting, the neutral colors, the relatively neutral facial expression and the chosen format (his right eyeball is exactly in junction of the first third lines from the top left) make this a blueprint for depicting the seriousness a politician at least wants to express in a portrait. --Granada (talk) 07:53, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It is, to some extent. A photo that has a high historical value, e.g. a photo of Gandhi during his salt march, would contribute greatly to the 'wow factor' in my opinion. If an ordinary photo of an (as yet) unremarkable person like this is designated "one of the best images on Commons", I feel it would devaluate the FP brand as there are thousands of images like this one. It just isn't a photo that stands out, in my opinion.--Peulle (talk) 09:49, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I have to say, that's a very good argument that gives me pause. If there are truly thousands or even hundreds of equally good portraits of politicians, why should we feature this one? I'll think about whether to change to neutral. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:18, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The truth is the contrary: there are hundreds of really bad portraits of politicians out there and that's why I'd like this image to be featured. Even those who opposed this nomination admitted the quality of the portrait. Featuring this could be used as a blueprint for future wiki loves parliaments projects. --Granada (talk) 10:32, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
While I agree that this portrait is better than many others, I personally put more weight on the wow factor. When you're saying that this image is of higher quality than other photographs we have here, that suggests to me to be yet another argument in favour of making it a QI, but it has less to do with the FP category. Had it been a photo of a special setting, that would have carried more weight with me.--Peulle (talk) 11:12, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The problem with some of these wiki-loves sessions is that they stick a politician (or food) in front of a grey background, with perfectly ok but not interesting lighting arrangement for a portrait, and then shoot dozens of similar pictures like a factory. Sure the technical quality is fine but I don't see exceptional lighting, exceptional surroundings, exceptional personality shining though, or an exceptional person. Even one of these might make it an FP. These are fine for Wikipedia thumbnails but it has about as much charm as a school photo. It becomes kind of "If we accept this, then what about these four hundred photos too". Plus all the identical official photos of politicians donated by government bodies. I recall when Diliff attended in a previous year he chose just one photo: File:Nils Torvalds MEP, Strasbourg - Diliff.jpg where the subject has some character and there is the novelty that he's Linus Torvald's father. Even then he admitted the difficulties making something "finest". I appreciate the effort taken to attend the event and take high-quality photos for Wikipedia articles, but it seems to me more an exercise in ensuring Wikipedia has an acceptable portrait than about producing a great portrait, photographically speaking, or photographing someone interesting. -- Colin (talk) 14:59, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Mr. Wallner ist the governor of the federal state of Vorarlberg and therefore one of the most important politicians of Austria. --Ailura (talk) 09:05, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Info I simply liked the "yin-yang" look and the tranquility of the scene. Not that common to see plowing combined with snow. -- cart-Talk21:45, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
They aren't planting anything here at the moment. I looks like the field has been resting this past year and only been used for grass/silage or grazing. Most farmers here rotate their crops, so they are preparing this field to be planted with something in spring. My guess is it will be oats. The normal rotation here is oats, grass/silage, sheep grazing. --cart-Talk21:57, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Depending on what's there, I might like the composition more from slightly further back or I might like it more with a bit of a wider crop above the hill or both, but sometimes, it just makes sense to support a striking image and credit the artist for seeing it and shooting it however they thought best at that time and place. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:19, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The light is not very favourable, especially leaving the left side of the field in shadow. I also don't think it's very sharp.--Peulle (talk) 09:11, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
This time of the year, the sun is very weak and low on the horizon (and this was the sunniest day this month!), giving long shadows and illuminating only high hills. As you can see, this is taken at 12:02:49, so the sun is at its highest and brightest. Even if I had waited to see if the light would get better (it didn't, it started to snow shortly after) the farmer would have been back from lunch and the rest of the field would have been plowed and that would have been missing the point of the photo. It is a pic of a moment and you have to make the best of what you got. You don't have the same luxury of waiting for months for perfect conditions as when you are shooting a building.
I am painfully aware of that the days are numbered for me and my small-sensor cameras since their sharpness can't compete with the rest of the cameras here. This is taken with a tripod and about as good as that camera can make landscape photos if I don't do stitched pics. With all the full-frame and big sensor cameras that are becoming more frequent here, I guess that in a year my photos won't be tolerated here due to technical shortcomings. I'll just have fun while I can. Thanks for your voting and your comments, they are always appreciated. :) --cart-Talk09:52, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Done Thanks for your kind advice Kabelleger. I did some additional sharpening from raw and I don't think I introduced too much extra noise. It's a bit more post-processing than I usually do but if works I'm game. Still, I can never get the level of detail you have in your example photo, since your sensor is about three times as big as mine. I don't think this will make any difference for Peulle and Granada though, since they also want me to move the sun, which is a bit more difficult. ;) Btw, this is a crop from a wider shot. I went through many crops and angles before I found one that was satisfactory with the focus on the half/half field and not on the sky or the surrounding landscape. --cart-Talk22:06, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Info The surface is totally flat and level. The camera is the same place as for this photo, only pointing down and a bit to the left instead. Any perceived curvature is just an optical illusion caused by the curving tracks and gradient light. It is photographed with a normal zoom lens (the one permanently attached to my camera) so no fish-eye lens or anything like that. All by me, -- cart-Talk22:46, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- I love this. Nice artistic flair without leaving photography and getting into grapic art (at least what I call graphic art). One question--is the bright upper right corner intentional? PumpkinSkytalk23:14, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, it is intentional since it is exactly what it looked like. :) That's where the lamp (old mobile photo) is, shining down on the snow. You can see the pool of light in this photo as well. I took some more, but I haven't had time to upload them yet. This one had the best pattern. --cart-Talk23:26, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Do not be sorry, I like honest reviews, they are welcome too. I was going to get my car when I saw the pattern made in the newly fallen snow and the pool of light. Then I saw that some of the tracks curved towards the light. That's when I went back to get my camera and tripod. ;) --cart-Talk09:59, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Mile, if that is how you feel about this photo, I don't think you should strike your oppose vote, I don't mind. You usually oppose my photos, so I'm used to it. Please vote the way you like. --cart-Talk18:05, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Of course I don't count anything, don't be silly. I just don't want you to vote any way you don't like. I know that my experimental photography is not for everyone. --cart-Talk18:57, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Info Water-powered Sawmill, Sagi Tschiertschen. Built c 1920. sawing machine. Detail. The color and atmosphere of this photo evokes memory memories from the fifties of the last century. All by -- Famberhorst (talk) 06:11, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support Great texture, nice combination of woody shades, and the strong vertical and diagonal lines are a great unifying yet dynamic element. I can practically smell the sawdust looking at it at full size. Daniel Case (talk) 03:04, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose - I more or less agree with Daniel. What I'd like to do is back up, so that I can see what's lower down and in front of the building. But all of this is probably academic, as the photo's been nominated for deletion due to lack of FoP in Turkmenistan, which is a pity because this is a nice building. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:58, 16 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment - I find the window a little too glary and wonder whether I'd like this photo better with slightly less sunlight (i.e., in different weather or at a different time of day). -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:36, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Regreful oppose Center looks overprocessed, with distinct lines at the transitions between light and dark, and not as sharp as the outer parts of the image.Daniel Case (talk) 16:40, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Info@Ikan Kekek and Daniel Case: I have uploaded a new version, which hopefully addresses all issues you mentioned. The window has translucent glass, so it is always much brighter than the church interior – except in case of artificial light in the church, which I do not prefer. However, as this is a HDR shot, I have various exposures for optimizations at hand. --Uoaei1 (talk) 20:53, 13 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment To be honest, I'm not keen on the change made. Bright windows glare. Especially so if you stare, or point a camera, straight at it. I think such windows should be allowed to reach pure white, not just paper white. If I look at this image with a white background on the browser, it is rather odd that a source of white light in room a clearly lit by daylight should be dull. Keep the glare-removal if you prefer it, but I would encourage you to allow a clear-glass window to be... white. -- Colin (talk) 17:54, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose - Beautiful, but too small compared to landscape FPs we've been featuring lately, and the unsharp foreground is too lacking in details. Is there a bigger version of this photo? If there is, we should see it. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:40, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Nicely framed, but the foreground is blurry, the resolution is fairly low for a landscape photo and the light is not all that nice.--Peulle (talk) 08:23, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment I object that at ISO 1000 sharpening the image that much incorporates a lot of very ugly luma noise which becomes especially visible in the background. Overall that impression of tack sharpness results from using too much sharpening, that might be acceptable for QI, but not for FP. --Granada (talk) 08:31, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The ISO setting has generated a lot of noise which remains on the animal and rocks and I also wonder if it is possible to fix the blown nose/snout? See notes on image. Charles (talk) 09:12, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Why can't both photos be FPs? I can understand if you withdrew because you think you'll never get 7 supporting votes, but I doubt the fact that the other photo is an FP is a good reason to withdraw. That said, it is your decision whether to withdraw or not. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:35, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Ikan Kekek, I think it's important to have at least one FP for Wikipedia, and fortunately there is already one. Thus, my picture is less useful considering this. But yes, you're right too, I also withdraw because of the lack of supports (not yours, thanks again !), and think this image is probably not great enough for some non technical reasons -- Basile Morin (talk) 11:30, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Support Nice. I happened to see a [belted] kingfisher here in Brooklyn for the first time just today. I was excited, but a little sad that the context was her chattering back and forth along the Gowanus Canal (a rather yucky Superfund site). Ah, my king[fisher]dom for a decent zoom lens. :) — Rhododendritestalk | 22:44, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment - Certainly a very high-quality photo and a pretty scene, but the right crop bugs me because you've cut off a statue. However, I don't know if there would be a better place further to the right for a crop, and I'm guessing maybe there wasn't? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:14, 14 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - The two orangeries are arranged symmetrically. Actually, I should have pulled the right border through the gate but I was oriented towards the trees.--Ermell (talk) 10:35, 14 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- The right statue doesn't bother me, minor issue. If he cropped it in I think it'd have caused other issues with trees cut in half, etc PumpkinSkytalk12:17, 14 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose Quite small (downsampled?), not perfectly sharp (the focus plane seems to be some degree in front of the dog's head (see the grass along the bottom) and not very detailed. --Granada (talk) 08:46, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral This is a composition with nice symmetries. However it's not very colourful and I wish some of the plants I see weren't motion-blurred (although there aren't many). I think the image would work well in B&W, there are interesting contrasts and structures. --Basotxerri (talk) 17:08, 14 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support I prefer this version, with its reds, greens and the yellow of the grass. Anyway, I agree with you that the B&W version highlights better the structure of the transmission towers. --Harlock81 (talk) 23:57, 15 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I like this better as a black & white picture, but I think I'd like the photo better if you cropped out the blurry foreground, or at least most of it. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:18, 15 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support I do like this much better; it's an excellent demonstration of how going mono can improve an image. Although I would have cropped in at the sides more. Daniel Case (talk) 19:03, 15 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose It's a nice enough photo to take while on a ridge walk, of the view back down hill, but there isn't anything exceptional here photographically. Foreground in shade, distance quite murky and the fellow walkers are all a bit random. Plus appears to be downsized 66% with the resulting 6MP image rather small for a landscape photo in 2017. -- Colin (talk) 21:18, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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CommentCharles i would try to put eye out of middle line. I saw lot place on first photo, crop some left, more right, so 1st third vertical line would be on the middle of stomach. --Mile (talk) 11:49, 16 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support Actually i should say try to remove eye from the middle. I made similar in morning, just not so wide. But still I think its better than previous shot. My option was like this. --Mile (talk) 16:17, 16 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I'm liking this better, but since you're taking requests, is it possible to sharpen the beak and (viewer's) right side of the head a little more? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:58, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Support - Very pretty and works very well as a composition, IMO. There's some unsharpness at full size, but full size is way larger than life, as you can see by looking at the "1cm" line. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:26, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Because I saw this photo in VIC and found it particularly pretty. But I don't really understand your question. Those other butterflies aren't very similar to this one. Should we stop giving the FP designation to shells because other shells have been FPs? How about views of mountains, is there a limit on those? Views with reflections in water? Views of buildings? Views of birds? In short, I don't accept the premise of your question. There are indeed other photos of mounted lepidoptera that merit FP status, but certainly, not all of them do, for the same reasons as any other category: Some are not as good technically, some are boring, etc. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:01, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Ikan. All four are separate species and by definition every species is inherently wiki-notable. There is no rule saying we can only have one FP per category. The only rule that comes close is "too similar" and since each of these is a different species I don't see a problem with each being an FP. PumpkinSkytalk04:15, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Ikan, you recently asked in this discussion "If there are truly thousands or even hundreds of equally good portraits of politicians, why should we feature this one ?", so my question is the same than yours with lepidoptera. -- Basile Morin (talk) 04:43, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Remember, I voted to support that portrait. In any case, I doubt there are thousands of equally good photos of mounted lepidoptera, but not that many have been nominated so far. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:26, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yes you voted to support that politician portrait and then, the candidature failed. Please also remember you revised your vote writing "I'll think about whether to change to neutral", invoking exactly the same reason than the one you are opposing to now, so please Ikan Kekek develop your idea and assume good faith. There are hundreds of equally good photos in this category, and 3 already are FPs. So why should we take this extra one ? Is it famous ? Is it aesthetically special ? Is it sharp like this ? I really want to learn -- Basile Morin (talk) 06:20, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I recognize that you are making a serious point, and I will try my best to discuss it in good faith. In the thread on the other nomination, I did say I would think about a similar argument. I found this photo aesthetically special, yes, and that's why I nominated it at this time. Thanks for offering an example for comparison. This doesn't look as sharp as that pupa, but this photo is about twice as big as that one. I think this photo is certainly interesting enough to be an FP, but if you feel that what will make the difference between a mounted lepidoptera FP and one that's not an FP is more outstanding sharpness than this, that's arguably overdoing things, but it could nevertheless be a valid argument. Do you have a sense of how many photos in this category are as interesting and relatively sharp as this one? What criteria would you suggest using in determining which ones to nominate or support? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:37, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Basile Morin: *@Ikan Kekek: Just for the record, my two cents on the politician photos, is that each politician is akin to a species, so each politician would be "entitled" to a formal portrait FP, possibly more if they were taken in a significantly different style. PumpkinSkytalk12:38, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I think PumpkinSky you are overthinking this. Actually we treat photos of people, landscapes, animals, shells, camera lenses, etc differently. Some subjects can be photographed identically and we somehow remain interested while other subjects aren't going to retain our attention. Some of these repeat photos really need to be dribbled slowly onto FPC even if they look great. The art here is created by God, or whatever you believe in, and this kind of sterile photo only demonstrates technical competence. Doing that with a photo of a person, and especially with the dullest barely notable politician, is not going to get anyone going wow. To be honest, I'm not that fond of this kind of insect photo and can't remember the last time I supported a shell photo. That's not my cup of tea. -- Colin (talk) 17:37, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Colin: I don't think I'm overthinking it. I think too many people here are overly focused on overly rigid and overly narrow rules. We'll just continue to disagree.PumpkinSkytalk19:39, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
PumpkinSky The only person who ever mentioned rules is you, so the only person "overly focused on" them is you. Ikan and Basile have been discussing their opinions, and I noted my experience of FPC voting patterns, along with some opinions. Every time this issue is discussed, you seem to think there are rules. It really isn't possible to create some rule, or to try to fit analogies like "each politician is akin to a species" as though we had a rule for species. Voting patterns just are what they are, and what is permitted is simply the collective opinion at any time. -- Colin (talk) 19:51, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment - It's quite striking, but I'm guessing 14:57 wasn't the actual time when the photograph was shot, and are the colors true, or is it oversaturated? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:56, 15 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Ikan Kekek: I set the clock in all my cameras in UTC. Local time was 17:57. Colors close to the truth, but the contrast was lower.
Oppose - The contrast was admittedly increased, and that level of noise makes it look like a view in a sandstorm, which it evidently is not. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:08, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose The composition is nice, the colors are appropriately bold, and I'm not bothered by the cropped boats. However ... the background is a little unsharp, there seems to be some color halos on some of the cloud edges, and there is too-evident distortion at the sides. These might be correctable but I'm not sure that they aren't also the results of whatever processing was done to get the things I like. Daniel Case (talk) 17:17, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose I like the sunlight on the lake, but the processing is not good. Too much saturation, contrast and the sky has posterisation. Also, AdobeRGB is not the best colourspace for the web (though please don't change to sRGB unless you do so from the raw file). -- Colin (talk) 21:36, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment I was thinking about nominating this or not. I finally do, my reasons are: colours, lighting, clouds, the old church and that the wall really gives the impression of protecting the hamlet from avalanches. BTW, I'm not sure if this is categorised better by Objects or by Places/Architecture. Currently, it's an Object to me. --Basotxerri (talk) 10:57, 16 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Normally avalanche-protection in the Alps (at least in Tyrol which is what I know) is made by huge metal grids mounted on the upper parts of the mountains (like this one, or see the horizontal lines on the hillside here). However, the Paznaun valley is a quite high valley with steep side walls where people have been living with avalanches for many hundreds (or thousands) of years, so they are very aware of the danger. These images are taken in a hamlet of Galtür. Galtür is at 1500 m altitude and was buried in 1999 by an enormous avalanche (see en:1999 Galtür avalanche), many of the constructions were made after this disaster, although some of them are older (as obviously this one). However, Galtür is the only site where I've seen these giant stone walls. --Basotxerri (talk) 19:41, 16 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Hi Daniel, aesthetically you're absolutely right but in this case, the wall is protecting the houses and I think they must be there for understanding the scene. Thanks for your opinion! --Basotxerri (talk) 09:07, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Cautious support It looks a little bit oversaturated, especially when you look at the row of silage bales in the distance. Surely this has enough wow to stand on its own without extra saturation. --cart-Talk08:38, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support Possible pincushion distortion given that the ground goes up in the middle (unless it's really a hill), but it's compensated by big wow. :) --Peulle (talk) 11:13, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Question - Can you tell us more about St. Johannes and the photo? I think I understand the German text correctly to say that this is a restoration of a historic photo. When was the original photo shot? If we're going to judge this as a restored historic photo, I think we need to know more about the significance of this saint and the time and method used to take the original photo. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:19, 16 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Info ( Info): I added something like EXIF-Data. I´m only not sure if everyone can read data from old times. For Example Pan F@25ASA means to develop it to nominal EV.
I had taken a lot of b&w with my favourite film T-Max400@160ASA means I do not push, I developed it to real Sensitivity of 160 ISO in Perceptol (1:3)20°; here it´s 1:1. Cam and Equipment was evertime included, bcs. that´s not a size we normally use it today.
(analog chip-Size 56x56mm) The image was taken by me July 1996.
I used these negatives a long time for calibrating the Dark-Lab-Equipment. (One 120 Film, serie of half f-EV) The Fineprints are younger but still in museum Quality. Sometimes I try a new scanner (to see how it work with shadows), the rest is Photoshop (Dust and spots) but no dodge&burn.
Cemetery of Johannes (Nuremberg) is a cultural relic an monument, placed in St. Johannes/Nürnberg.
In the historic mile Nuremberg.
About a lot of rosebushes, another name is Rose-Cemetery.
You can find normed Gravestones and tombs about more then 400 Years.
The Epitaphs are armed with fine bronze castings from artists around the region and sandstones from Nuremberg Quarzit.
A lot of peoble called it the most beautiful Cemetery in Europe.
But I will add some information like this more in the new category "Category:Saint Johannes Tomb" about St. Johannes (I started for some weeks).
Feel free to check it out. Additional you will find the new Version of this skull, the stolen one is lost.
Oppose - Thanks a lot for all that information. I think that File:St. Johannes Nürnberg Totenschädel 01.jpg, the photo with the new skull monument in it, shows much more clearly what we're looking at and would be a better FP candidate (I don't guarantee I'd vote for it, but I'd consider it). This one in my opinion is a useful VI candidate but doesn't really work for me for FP. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:39, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Info Maybee I don´t catch the idea behind, really. The black and white is a hybrid work, finished digital and toned. The alternativ pic is imo more a QI-Level. The possibility for restauration (the skull) is only one way to be wealthy. Unfortunately I don´t shoot the interims skull. The geo-tagg is for all peoble and photographers to do it by themselves, only the bw is the interpretation from my side -- Hans-Jürgen Neubert13:49, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose A striking image, but the precise rays, stopping abruptly at a distance from the top of the lighthouse looks to me like they are computer generated. Please correct me if I'm wrong. They look more like particle emissions than light to me. (And I'm not going into a particle physics debate about photons here. ;) ) --cart-Talk08:33, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Thanks for your honest review, A.Savin. It's a simple image shot with a tripod, as I find amazing the way of reusing an old boat for a kitchen garden. This happens frequently in Laos, and it's an ecological concept. When they become too difficult to repair, then, personal pirogues are repurposed for a second life. The poetic aspect is that this second life here brings growing life, too :-) Basile Morin (talk) 13:35, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Question Nice action but is it possible to do something about some of the cut of legs at the top? They are a bit distracting. --cart-Talk10:20, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Originally I left the image with the feet visible intentionally as I wanted more of the dust visible, but the cropped version looks as good, my concerns were unfounded. --Granada (talk) 11:05, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support Nice action shot and a good example of "knowing when to break the rules" in terms of lead room. I even like the wood and plants in the foreground, as they create additional depth (almost to the point that it looks like an RC car). --El Grafo (talk) 13:39, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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This creates a contrast between the background and the cat face, cat face looks dark and malefic, also light bubbles helps to highlight your disheveled hair. --The Photographer00:17, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I mean bubbles of light in small parts of particular hairs; I'm not talking about a large enough area to form an overall contrast between the background and the cat's face. Those bubbles look like some kind of technical fault, but I don't know what they are exactly or what is causing them. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:30, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment - Nice portrait, but in view of the remarks about another portrait of a politician that was recently withdrawn after substantial opposition, what is particularly noteworthy about this politician? He seems to be a legislator in Berlin Land, not the Federal legislature. Is he very well-known nationally? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:50, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Just my two cents: to my eyes the crop is too tight at the bottom and leaves too much space on the top though if cropped correctly counted in pixels the space above the hair would probably stay around the same. And composition-wise he's standing turned to his left i.e. positioned in an article on wikipedia his view goes right away from the text. I prefer a person's body (or view) leading towards the center of the page. It's not always achievable, but I can arrange that for projects like wiki loves parliaments. --Granada (talk) 06:44, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - The respect of some Wikimedian other users is once again shockingly unruly, unobjective and altogether pathetic. I am ashamed to participate again in this project and to be recognized with some of you as an employee in a project. Sorry Sandro, that you have to stand those inhuman people. Marcus Cyron (talk) 14:46, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have any substantive rejoinder to the comments made in this thread, or do you just like using extreme language for the hell of it? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:27, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Marcus, could you stick to judging the photo, as we have. If you want to play divisive politics then Facebook and Twitter is where you need to go. -- Colin (talk) 21:13, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Again, as with the other photo, it's a fine piece of work, but I just don't see anything special about it. There's no "wow factor". As such it should have the QI and VI status, but I'm not seeing this becoming an FP.--Peulle (talk) 19:13, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Since nobody, including the nominator, has suggested any reason why this is among our finest, rather than just a good wikipedia-identity-photo. -- Colin (talk) 21:13, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Colin; I wish this discussion could be purely about technical and aesthetic images rather than perceived ulterior motives of the nominator. Daniel Case (talk) 23:27, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Support When I saw the thumbnail my intention was not to vote. However at 100% view I've seen all these plentiful details! The crop of the lower right corner is a bit disturbing, though. --Basotxerri (talk) 13:53, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Nothing special at all about this image. Technically o.k., good enough for QI, but a featured picture must be more special. --Granada (talk) 14:47, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support For me, this is a special vehicle. It is a vending machine. In those years you hardly saw vending machines in Europe. Do you know the brand, type and year of construction of this truck?--Famberhorst (talk) 17:40, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Not for certain. It definitely wasn't made before 1960. To me it looks like it was made between the late 1960s and early 1980s. If you zoom in on the other photos of this truck (photos 3 and 4, which I'll link in "other versions" in a moment), you can see it used to have a logo that started with a "C", so I'm going with Chevrolet. But the front logo looks like it was a 3-digit number so maybe it's a Ford. PumpkinSkytalk17:50, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Famberhorst: The logo in the back wasn't for "Chevrolet", it was for "Custom". Given the front logo was a 3-digit number that looks like it ends in "00", it's likely a Ford. Maybe a F-100. PumpkinSkytalk18:51, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Support I kinda like it. The image successfully conveys a sentiment of decay. It's not only the car itself - a Cadillac, the symbol of the American Dream - but also the unexpected third world setting where the rotting actually takes place... hard to describe, just a feeling. --Martin Falbisoner (talk) 12:14, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose nice scene, but nothing special about it. And a picture that wows me does not show the shadow of the camera and the tripod that it's mounted on. --Granada (talk) 07:51, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The colours are nice but the composition isn't working for me: the boulders on the lower left corner are somewhat disturbing and the already mentioned shadows above the water shouldn't be there. And as Christian says, something lacks, something that completes the harmony. --Basotxerri (talk) 18:06, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Sorry, but I don't think the shadow of the tripod and camera belongs in this setting. It could be removed but like others here, I don't really feel the wow. --cart-Talk08:47, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Support - I find the lines very interesting in this composition - the reflections and then the bridge and buildings themselves. The results are atypical. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:03, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose A common picture depicting a bridge in a straightforward fashion in my opinion. I'd say that's what we have QI for. - Benh (talk) 22:35, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
There are heaps or rivers and lake with bridges passing over and this is a sight one would come across a dozen of times on a moderate long hiking nearby where he lives (lets says for most) so I stand by "common" here. Just my two cents. - Benh (talk) 18:40, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose Quite low on contrast and sharpness, becoming more and more blury towards the edges and the moving people are very distractive. There's an FP of this building that features less resolution but shows more detail and does not suffer from optical faults. --Granada (talk) 08:02, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Question -Granada, could you or someone else please link the existing FP(s) of this oratory? For the past few weeks, Commons search for FPs hasn't worked for me at all. As for this photo, it's quite good IMO, but I haven't decided whether there's enough other than the beautiful long distance to make the composition an FP. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:58, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Ikan Kekek, I did not search for FP, I just took a look into the oratory's category and found an image that had 59 global uses - must be good and by clicking it I found out it was an FP: [11] --Granada (talk) 07:08, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Though small by current FPC standards, that 10-year-old photo is certainly very clear and good, but I do find the view very different, as it's much closer-in and also a night rather than near-sunset picture. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:53, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I ultimately mostly agree with Granada, and also with Daniel. I find the view of the oratory and the staircase beautiful, but it's all the ancillary things (unsharp vegetation and a couple of disturbing ghosts) that detract from it. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:45, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Info Monastery of La Monjía, a fortified monastery located in Fuentetoba, municipality of Golmayo, near the Pico Frentes mountain, Province of Soria, Spain. The Romanesque church was erected by Benedictines in the 11th century but the fortification was added in the 16th century by the Counts of Castejón. All by me, Poco221:35, 18 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I'm fine with the little unsharpness on the corners on a 50+mpix picture, but a centered house (with significant chunks of it obscured by vegetation) under mid afternoon light doesn't really wow me. - Benh (talk) 22:41, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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The tip of the nose, part of the beard and the chin are relatively unsharp, IMO too unsharp for a portrait shot. However, I usually don't shoot people and portraits so I'd like to hear the other's opinions, too. --Basotxerri (talk) 17:22, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I dare to say that it seems that the focal plane is a bit too far, the ears are really sharp. But I promise you that if someone else convinces me that I'm wrong, I'll withdraw my oppose vote. These are mere technical issues, though, the other question is if it's worth to be an FP. First let's see what others think. --Basotxerri (talk) 18:44, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It's a nice portrait in small size that I would certainly have supported if the quality had been good at 1:1. Unfortunately the focus is on the scarf. Look how fine are all the small details of the scarf compared to the face. Here the eyes are not sharp and the nose is very blurry. It's probably a problem of precision of your collimator(s) in this particular situation. I take a lot of portraits in real life with natural light (that is more difficult than in studio) and sometimes meet such kind of bad focus (especially with my old camera). But when the collimator catches the right surface, then the image gets sharp. Look at the difference between your portrait and this one for example, at f/8 too. Compare the eyes, the nose, the mouth and the hair, and see the shades of focus on the shirt. -- Basile Morin (talk) 00:03, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Uff, you're comparing 50 mm f/8 on FF on your image with the FF eq. of 105 mm f/12 on this image (APS-C crop factor 1.5). Sorry, I don't want to say anything with this, only an observation. --Basotxerri (talk) 09:11, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Then do a comparison to this portrait I made of Kristina Inhof while she was speaking to the viewers before a soccer match in Maria Enzersdorf: File:20171110_Kristina_Inhof_850_3856.jpg 195mm f/2.8, LED-lighting from the TV-producers. It's sharp on her left eye and nothing else, but the camera got the focus right. That above portrait of Bahadur Singh just missed the focus. --Granada (talk) 17:04, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Support - This composition works for me, and I won't quibble about the minor question of the slightly unsharp foreground - where you crop it is up to you. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:29, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support I like the way the late fall of the field, the fading daylight and the rear view of the truck reinforce the sense of it being put out to pasture now that its best days are behind it. Daniel Case (talk) 05:31, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Neutral I'm at 50/50 ... on the one hand, it's quite a cool image that gives me that certain feeling, but on the other hand it's not a very special subject. It's "just a bench". Had it been a more special setting or had some intriguing scenery around it, maybe I would have gotten more of a 'wow' sensation.--Peulle (talk) 11:10, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- Very fine focus and lighting and a nice rustic atmosphere. PumpkinSkytalk
Oppose per Peulle. If the lighting were more brilliant, that also might have been sufficient for me to consider this an outstanding picture. It's nice, but it's not quite an FP to me. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:20, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose No wow, weird composition (in my view of course), heavily lifted shadows resulting in noise, and strange how the dark upper right part renders. - Benh (talk) 22:32, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Question Not to be a spoil-sport but could we get some kind of reason why this particular image stands out in the crowd? You post so many shell pics and they cannot all be FP ... so if you'd have to choose this one over all the others, why would that be?--Peulle (talk) 22:07, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment For it is christmas and it looks like a christmas tree. BTW meanwhile I posted about 1.500 shell pictures, only a small part was nominated as FP (not only by me, also by others). With the same reason you can say, we have a lot of landscape pictures, they cannot all be FP. And in the same way as we choose the best landscapes as FP candidates, it also must be allowed to choose the best shell pictures (or pictures of birds, of buildings, of art and so on) as FP candidates. --Llez (talk) 06:44, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I agree with Llez. The various shell FPs are different types of shells. We don't see anyone saying "you can't nominate another church ceiling photo because we already have a lot of them that are FP." PumpkinSkytalk12:16, 26 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Info OK, nothing to be pixel-peeped exegetically - but I really like the striking visual impact of this motif. I had to take the picture in quite a hurry - and without the help of a tripod of course - as I wasn't the only visitor there... Umeda Sky Building, designed by Hiroshi Hara and completed in 1993, is the nineteenth-tallest building in Osaka Prefecture, Japan, and one of the city's most recognizable landmarks. It consists of two 40-story towers (173m) that connect at their two uppermost stories, with bridges and an escalator, depicted here, crossing the wide atrium-like space in the center. All by me --Martin Falbisoner (talk) 12:55, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Basile Morin. I know what you mean - but: a) what is perpendicular to what in this case? And b: I was "somewhat" looking up (and therefrore also pointing my camera "somewhat" up) - as everybody does when stepping on an escalator - so my perspective is a rather natural one here. I could "correct" it of course (I've already given it a try), but the visual impact would definitely suffer. I've had a similar discussion here. ;-) --Martin Falbisoner (talk) 12:06, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Martin Falbisoner for your answer, but this seems correct 1 or 2. I read the previous discussion and believe there really is a problem of perspective in both of these images. I know they're not to be categorized in the architectural field, but still, they are parts of architectural buildings, and these lines here don't look natural, sorry -- Basile Morin (talk) 13:05, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I guess we agree to disagree then - which is totally fine with me. Another reason why I don't want to "correct" the perspective here is that I'd like to keep the handrails as they are. They add a compositional element that your "corrected" examples are lacking --Martin Falbisoner (talk) 14:56, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for striking your {{o}}, Basile Morin - but you didn't have to do that, of course! Don't feel pressured to change your vote just because other voters see things differently. (A late) Merry Christmas! --Martin Falbisoner (talk) 12:05, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Martin Falbisoner, I stroke my oppose vote because your explanation is legitimate. But we don't agree on the issue, and then I maintain my comment. It's true I prefer the corrected perspectives like shown in my links above. However, I also understand this is a special case quite complex, with only a portion of horizontal carpet and a long inclined tunnel. As a consequence, I find your point of view admissible, and my opposition rude. It's okay to let it go, but I do not support :-) Thanks for your tolerance, anyway Basile Morin (talk) 13:18, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Info All by Peulle. The Ypsilon pedestrian bridge in Drammen, Norway was opened in 2008 and has since won several awards for its innovative design. The 47 metres tall cable-stayed bridge is made of a steel construction with 16 cables holding the three spans (90m + 56m) in a "Y"-shape. In October 2017, the bridge was illuminated as part of the Breast Cancer Awareness campaign.
(I wasn't sure which image of the set was worthy of nomination, but ended up choosing this one as I feel the bridge stands out more. If you think one of the others is better, please do let me know.) -- Peulle (talk) 12:29, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Ikan Kekek: I think the reason it looks the way it does has something to do with the reflection from strong light sources like the library building right next to the bridge. Not entirely sure how it happened, but if you look at the other images in the series, you'll notice the same effect. :) --Peulle (talk) 18:21, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, and reflections of other lights. I'll give this a little more time before voting, but so far, my reply to Benh is that this picture is just quite pretty and has a pretty good composition. I'd like a little more room on the right side, though: part of the bridge is cut off, and while the crop on the left side blends almost seamlessly into the building, the line through the triangular and circular figures on the right is a bit off-putting. I'll see if this still bugs me much some time later, but if I don't end up voting for a feature, that'll probably be why. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:35, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose I always have to remind me what the german description about the featured pictures says. These are "exzellente Bilder" and I can't see any excellence in this technically well done image. --Granada (talk) 07:35, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I can understand why someone might not find this image extraordinary, but it's excellent to me. I don't think the subject has to be obviously flashy for the work to be excellent. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:50, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Interesting object but photographed without wow effect. The shadows bother more than they enrich the image. Strangely enough, the perspective has also not been corrected, which usually leads to rejection in QI.--Ermell (talk) 08:38, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't think the perspective is a problem. This was taken on my tripod with the legs spread wide apart so it'd take the photo at an up angle. PumpkinSkytalk13:13, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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InfoTrollius chinensis 'Golden Queen' striking flower with warm orange color. Location, Tuinreservaat Jonkervallei in the Netherlands. All by -- Famberhorst (talk) 06:19, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I don't love the left crop that cuts off the little leaf, but the flower is captured in such pretty detail, I decided to support. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:42, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Nomination denied. Thank you for nominating this image. Unfortunately, it does not fall within the Guidelines because only two active nominations per user are allowed. --A.Savin15:42, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose It is an ok scene with the castle ruin behind, but no wow I agree. Also looks rather under exposed for midday, cloudless sky. -- Colin (talk) 17:36, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Support - Overall, very good and a lot of fun to "visit" at full size. I'd request for you to note in the file description approximately how many degrees the width of this panorama is. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:51, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support Sharp image with high resolution but the lighting is not optimum for this landscape and the left part really dark. I support for the documentary value with the integrated notes -- Basile Morin (talk) 03:40, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have read here another time that hard daylight is rejected and the light of the low sun is preferred. Based on the original greek meaning of the word Panorama as "all"+ "sight", I would like to show the whole outlook from this prominent viewpoint. Otherwise, I would have chosen as title "Kreuzberg Panorama (right part) or something else restrictive. The other images are very good, but contain no further instructive geographical information and some peaks are covered in clouds, which is not the intention of my panorama. So the comparison doesn´t work very well. --Milseburg (talk) 13:54, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Light is not just a property of the time of day and angle of the sun to the horizon but also the direction you and your subject are facing wrt the light. There may be areas that are lit well and areas that are in deep shadow and unfortunately this photo has a huge amount of area in deep shadow. Also the mist has combined with the sunlight on the left to make a glare that reduces contrast while not generating any photogenic cloud inversion. While the viewpoint is fairly high, it isn't high enough to get above the near trees, so they totally dominate the view. By all means take a "all around" view if you like but only occasionally will this generate a scene that truly is exceptional. I would much rather see a view chosen and selected for being interesting rather than simply because it was inevitably part of the scene as one swings the camera around. Regardless of etymology, a panorama is any scene with a wide (or tall) aspect. -- Colin (talk) 18:45, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose not too keen on the compo here, with much of the unpleasant naked trees taking much of the area, and the cut house. - Benh (talk) 12:45, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Oppose I don't think this view does the road justice. Your 05 photo demonstrates even more bends and follows the road down the valley (though unfortunately in that one the light isn't shining through the clouds to light enough of the road well). This photo probably captures the best angle, though its quality is poor. Although the road is really the wow-subject, the camera is pointing at the dull green hill behind, which unfortunately isn't currently lit by sunlight. So I think this is potentially a great subject, but not a great photo of it. Waiting for the light to change with the moving clouds might have helped along with the 05 view. Plus this appears to be downsized 66% with the resulting 6MP image rather small for a landscape photo in 2017. -- Colin (talk) 21:30, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - You're right. I hadn't looked at other photos of the road, but the last one is the best view of the road, though not a potential FP, as you said. I'm not sure the fact that there are more wowy stretches of road has to enter into my judgment of this composition, though. -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:35, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Info all by me -- Ezarateesteban 22:28, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
Support -- Ezarateesteban 22:28, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
Oppose as much as I'd like to support - I really enjoy both subject and composition - but there's a couple of technical issues. The image looks a bit overprocessed to me, and it's definitely too dark. Strangely it's also not very sharp which I don't really understand at all, looking at the EXIF. --Martin Falbisoner (talk) 07:08, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
Comment I would support but it seems to be a bit tilted. Yann (talk) 23:17, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
I withdraw my nomination Of course, you are right. Thank you very much! -- Johann Jaritz (talk) 03:24, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
Question - In this case, I'm wondering why there are a couple of untraily stars (I see 2 toward the right side). Could anyone address this? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:12, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
Done @Ikan Kekek: I've removed thoose spots. It can have two different origins imho: hot pixels like Colin said or the temporary reflection of an adjacent star due to atmospheric disturbances. Also, thanks for your support! — 0x010C ~talk~ 18:12, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
Neutral This is a hard one, sharpness is good and I also enjoy the flattened grass, but the composition and background is not at that level. It is too centered and there is nothing else in the composition that draws my attention. Probably snow, mountains, ... would make it --Poco2 16:00, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
On hold 
--LivioAndronico (talk) 13:12, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
Abstain -- Dey.sandip (talk) 17:35, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
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