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Matt Wingard page

Hello, back on 8/21 you removed my post from Matt Wingard's page saying (among other things) that I since I copied and pasted directly from his campaign website that I needed permission from the website owner. I am the website owner. I'll go back to research on how to properly cite this reference. Thanks. Jennyk17 (talk) 23:32, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Matt Wingard update

Thanks for responding so quickly. I've been reading through the resources/guidelines for posting. I see the dangers in posting from a self-published source. And though I am the website owner, I am not actively supporting his campaign. I just do the site. ;-) But still, all the conflict of interest, self-published stuff makes a lot of sense. I can see how damaging that could potentially be to someone. I'll make sure to relay that information back to his camp and let them know they need more reliable resources. Thanks again. Jennyk17 (talk) 23:50, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 3 September, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Willamette Valley Medical Center, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Wafulz (talk) 18:54, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Interstate 82 GAN

Hello. Sorry to bother you, but I would like your second opinion on Interstate 82. It is currently a GAN and is in need of a second opinion. You may do it any time you would like and all comments would be appreciated. Thank you and have a nice day. ~~ ĈĠ (☺ - Review!) ^Simple? 21:54, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Well done

The Did you know? hook based on a fact from the article you created or substantially expanded, Liberia College, has been added to the Wikipedia Portal, Portal:Africa. Thank you for your contributions in this topic! If you know of another relevant fact from an article that has appeared at Did you know?, then please suggest it at the associated portal talk page.

On 4 September, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Liberia College, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Victuallers (talk) 09:43, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

-- nice one! Victuallers (talk) 23:30, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Award

Thank you. Yes, you are right. I like them very much, and they encourage me to keep plugging away. I've been meaning to send you a note saying you were right about copyright concerns about the Vera Katz statue photo. I took the photo at a glancing angle, but the Commons editors removed it. They were right, and now I know better. The other thing I've been meaning to ask about has to do with unsourced material. I'd like to finish cleaning up the history section of the Westside Express Service so I can remove the "needs sources" tag. I've found sources for material similar to the unsourced material or most of it. What's the best approach: (1) discuss replacing the unsourced material with sourced material on the article's talk page first or (2) boldly make the changes? I prefer the "boldly" option because it's much more efficient than a discussion; on the other hand, I'm fairly new to the Oregon project, and I don't want to annoy other contributors. Finetooth (talk) 21:07, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, all of that interests me. I'm adding WES to my to-do list as well as the list of GAs you mentioned, starting with Mark Hatfield. By the way, I used your Image:WES train close up.JPG in the Oregon Electric section of Fanno Creek. Finetooth (talk) 18:31, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 6 September, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Louis Arthur Grimes School of Law, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Congratulations and keep up the good work! Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 17:54, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

I need Help Please.

You offered to help earlier, so I am taking you up on the offer. In an effort to be a better and more productive contributer, I created a new article that I realized was missing from wikipedia. I read the instructions and on creating new articles and read that new users, which I am, who wish to create a new article should first create it on his/her user page first. So I did, but when I was ready to move it, I moved it, then realized I actually moved my entire user page plus talk page with it. So now I have neither, or so it seems. Could you offer advice on how to rectify this discrepancy? Jojhutton (talk) 00:45, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't know what you did, but it seemed to work and work fast. Thank You Very Much.Jojhutton (talk) 01:01, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Downtown Languages Deletion

I must admit that I was a bit surprised to find the article I started last week about a local non-profit group was almost immediately deleted under the not-notable clause. I understand the need for speedy deletions from time to time, but really. I have a job, a life and am trying to do a bit of community service here and before I could even finish the article... it was noted, marked for deletion and then removed. I didn't even have the chance to log in a second time to complete it before the marking was up and the article gone.

I could understand this if there was something objectional about it, but in truth I was just away leading my life. Nothing notable was put in the article because I wanted to ensure that I wasn't just re-broadcasting the advertisements of the group. Speedy is one thing, but less than a week since the start of the article is something else. Really, shouldn't you at least allow two weeks for the author to check in again? Maybe wait a couple of days from the start of the article to see if it grows? I needed to check the sources of the articles in the papers, get the dates right, etc.

I apologize if I am in any way rude, but I must admit it has become a chore to even try to add articles to this forum. I would enjoy feedback since I do believe in the general concept of Wikipedia. --Lachamann (talk) 00:26, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Extreme Longevity Tracking

Greetings,

In regards to this:

Ryoung, your edit summaries here and here were inappropriate, see Help:Edit Summary for proper use of the edit summary function. Additionally, it is considered improper to remove tags from articles without addressing the issue raised in some way as you did here, and you may want to be weary of WP:OWN on that article. Aboutmovies (talk) 10:06, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps you'd like to help write the article? Carcharoth wanted me to write the article as I am an expert in the field, but I agree there needs to be more input than just one person. Also, plenty of sources are available, some written over a century ago (and listed at the bottom of the article). One of the purposes of this article is to deflect the notion that "supercentenarians" is a "new" field of study, when in fact it has been studied for centuries, and the modern system of tracking ages based on verification began in the 1870s.

Sincerely, Ryoung122 02:10, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Statesman Journal

On 11 September, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Statesman Journal, which you recently nominated. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:28, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you...

...for the warm welcome! :) Cposkitt (talk) 19:44, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Johnnie Lewis

On 15 September, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Johnnie Lewis, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 01:04, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your welcome :)

Can you please go over notability guidelines with me? One article I created is failing notability guidelines and I would appreciate suggestions on how to fix it.KnowS (talk) 22:14, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you for your participation at my RfA, which passed with a count of (166/43/7). I appreciate your comments and in my actions as an administrator I will endeavor to act in ways that earn your full confidence, even though I don't have it now. Cirt (talk) 01:41, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Beaux Arts Deja Vu

Like all those classical revival granges and schools:

• Image:Oregon Civic Justice Center.JPG
• Image:SalemStn.JPG

I just noticed the similarity, though I read in that book I told you about, Historic Salem: an Inventory of Historic Places (1987), that the station was built on a template and there are a few just like it still scattered around the country. I didn't find any architect info on the library, but I would assume it was built to a standard plan as well...

It was great to finally meet you! I suggested to Pete that sometime we try to have a clandestine Wikimeetup for lunch at the Rachel Ray-approved Goudy Commons.

So you know that the "Boundless" UO architecture site is totally awesome, despite their trying to spam everything in creation with links to it. Would you be interested in making a template and vetting the link through a WikiProject, maybe ours and the also the architecture project? User:Beetstra would probably be on-board with such an effort. Have you seen his essay on archivists?

P.S. Yeah, The Oregonian should at least acknowledge that they are using free images from Wikipedia! The rats.

Katr67 (talk) 18:26, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

I noticed the color scheme likeness between the two, so I figured they at least had the same brick supplier. The station has a little different motif with the columns and the arched/round windows, but I could see it being the same architect. I forgot to check the UO site for library info, does that site have non-NRHP items too? The state's website didn't have the library, nor does Salem list it on the list of historic properties. As to a template, were you thinking a citation template, or just an EL template. Citation template I'd be fine with, but I'm not too sure about EL ones like there are for Political Graveyard and Congressional Bio. They just strike me as attracting SPAM with people seeing them as an invitation to add more links, people tend to add them even if the site is already used as a source, and I'm just generally opposed to helping out the libraries/archives websites after seeing all those posts about abusing Wikipedia. But that's just me. I'll check out the Beetstra link.

Goudy? Sure its cheap, but is that the best place? Though I do know a judge who says she likes to eat there.

Update on the picture. After checking it out, I actually did release it under a CC license, so attribution is required, and they didn't. The website directed me to The Oregonian, and I haven't heard back from them yet. So, we'll see what they plan on doing. If nothing else, I can put my law school learn'ns to use and send a lovely cease and desist letter! Aboutmovies (talk) 21:49, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

I think the S-J might have used one of my photos, I have to take a closer look. But I do release all my stuff into the public domain... Katr67 (talk) 18:28, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Murray Carter

Dear Aboutmovies,

I'm sorry to see that you've voted for my article about "Murray Carter" to be deleted. It was my first article about a well known (at least here in the Netherlands) bladesmith and first Caucasian that received the status of a Japanese bladesmith. I suspect that since English is not my native language, I lacked in describing sufficient relevant information about the person to illustrate his importance for the knife making industry and bladesmithing in general. At least I think that is what you tried to make clear to me.

I received help from another knife enthusiast, that is an English speaking native. Could you please point out your complaints about the article, so I can adjust this. I understand that writing is all about trail and error! ;)

Sincerly, RobVandeB (talk) 09:42, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

DYK!

On 21 September, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bridgeport Village (Oregon), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Thank you for your contributions! - Mailer Diablo 07:30, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Oregon Civic Justice Center

On 22 September, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Oregon Civic Justice Center, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 05:04, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Interesting DWG alert

Chauncey Hosford -- your thoughts, and any additions, most welcome! -Pete (talk) 20:33, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Reporting article for merging?

How do I go about reporting article for merging? Secure Cryptoporcessor is just a special case/application of Hardware Security Module. Article itself has dubious references and questionable notability. Please advice. KnowS (talk) 21:54, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! KnowS (talk) 15:58, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Category organization

First of all, I would appreciate it if you didn't quote policy at me; I've been here long enough to know what it is. Second of all, I would take your comment more seriously if you could demonstrate exactly why Katr67's way of organizing the categories is "superior" to mine. If you really think that some sort of consensus needs to be reached about this relatively minor issue, tell me where and when you want to start a discussion. --Eastlaw (talk) 21:28, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

I never "took ownership" of anything, therefore, your ongoing condescension is totally unwarranted. My beef was that he was using a category in a manner which didn't match preexisting convention. If it's really that important to you to keep the category there, then go right ahead. I don't care anymore. Someone else will probably come and change it later anyway--and then you and your buddy Katr67 can duke it with them. I'm done with this. --Eastlaw (talk) 23:31, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I'm a "she". If chicks can be buddies with dudes, then perhaps I am AM's buddy, though I prefer the term "pal". It would also be helpful if rather than make people guess what this "preexisting convention" is, you add a short intro to the category explaining how to use it. I find that helpful and usually heed those criteria. Anyway, I made a new category Category:Law in Oregon, and have already moved the offending subcats there, so hopefully that should suffice. I'll explain how each category is to be used in their intros, and feel free to move anything out of Category:Oregon law that you think doesn't belong there. I'm still baffled why an an honest request to help us categorize the Oregon law-related categories would be met with such scorn and derision. Oh well, everyone has bad days. I won't post here anymore, I think I will avoid you from now on. Happy editing! Katr67 (talk) 03:20, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

PRIVACY

Mr. Stevens:

I appreciate your work on Wikipedia on behalf of the history of Oregon, Oregon Law, etc.

You recently created a Wikipedia entry about my mother, Helen J. Frye. As a public servant, information of a biographical/personal nature is to be expected, and is fair game.

HOWEVER:

I am a writer, working in the film industry, and value my privacy above most other things. So I was distressed to have forwarded to me the "E. Max Frye" entry that you edited. I do not wish for any of that information to be published on Wikipedia. I believe that the entry used to be "E. Max Frye, screenwriter, was born and raised in the Beaver State."

Could you please revert the "E. Max Frye" to its original content?

This is a serious matter of great concern to me.

My professional accomplishments are available on IMDb and Studiosystems - I DO NOT WISH FOR ANY OTHER INFORMATION ABOUT ME TO BE PUBLISHED ON THE INTERNET.

It would be a great favor to me if you would tend to this ASAP.

Again, thanks for all that you're doing to promote and archive Oregon history.

Sincerely,

E. Max Frye —Preceding unsigned comment added by Loomings (talk • contribs) 15:54, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Portland Adventist Academy

If you get a minute, could you look into the history of the school's fight with the OSAA, etc.? There is a great timeline on the ACLU website, but that should be backed up with some other sources. As the article currently reads, there was a lawsuit filed in 2002, but I don't think it was a lawsuit, it was the culmination of a series of other legal actions. But what do I know? Anyway, the case is pretty interesting, and it probably got some national press, so the section could do with some expansion. Too bad all those vandal kids who go there don't find it fascinating. Katr67 (talk) 18:26, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks! I knew lawyers were good for something. I just wikilinked ORS and removed something already mentioned before. If the kids think it's undue weight, they can get busy and write some content on their school instead of vandalizing. Katr67 (talk) 14:09, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Reverting Vandalism

Is there a hot key or something that I can use to easily describe what I am doing in the "Edit Summary" when I revert vandalism or do I need to physically type the information every time?--Jojhutton (talk) 21:36, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Bike history in Salem

My dear bicycling friend has updated his blog with a bunch of history about bicycling in Salem. I turned him onto the Myra Albert Wiggins article so he used that. Anyway, it's all original research (and inadmissible as evidence anyway since it's a blog) until his book is published, but maybe you'll find something useful in there for some Old Dead Guy articles. He says the redlight district was called "Peppermint Flat". Sounds like Salem was almost exciting back in the day... Katr67 (talk) 02:08, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Jason Lee (Oregon judge)

On 29 September, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Jason Lee (Oregon judge), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 09:03, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Categories

At first glace that Salem metropolitan area cat looked like a really really bad idea, but now I think it's just useless overcategorization. Viva la sprawl! BTW, for Lost Valley Educational Center, I'm not sure that should go in an education cat despite its name. It's kinda like Breitenbush or Opal Creek, more of a retreat center than an educational facility. YMMV. Maybe Category:Hippie stuff in Lane County, Oregon... Katr67 (talk) 20:44, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

P.S. How do you keep finding these obscure Oregon articles? Katr67 (talk) 22:13, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Maybe a CfD for the Salem cat? Seems like overcategorization to me as well. -Pete (talk) 00:13, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Willamette Law Review

On 3 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Willamette Law Review, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cirt (talk) 10:25, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Mark Hatfield's religion

See here. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 03:00, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Minthorn Hall

On 8 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Minthorn Hall, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Daniel Case (talk) 20:01, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Legacy Meridian Park Hospital

On 9 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Legacy Meridian Park Hospital, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cirt (talk) 09:53, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi thanks for your nice message

Hi. I wanted to make some of the articles I am working on into good articles or featured articles. Do you know how I can do this? Paulatim (talk) 07:31, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. I looked at the manual of style, which certainly sets it out in some detail. I think the article Medieval philosophy should go for GA when I have finished the content-related parts (I have added a whole section on Medieval philosophy itself, which the previous article did not contain). Would appreciate if you could have a look and suggest whether it could also go for FA. There is very little in Wikipedia on philosophy, and medieval philosophy being a large and important subject certainly deserves a place in the sunlight. Best Paulatim (talk) 08:36, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome

Much appreciated, made me feel "noticed" lol. Thanks again Squall4226 (talk) 14:39, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK issue

You might want to check out your nomination for the fish hatchery. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:40, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Just got back from business trip so don't know what happened to fish hatchery DYK nomination. Obviously, it's too late; nevertheless, can you tell me what needed attention? I kind of rushed that article to finish before I went out of town so it probably needed better proof-reading than it got.--Orygun (talk) 23:08, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

The hook said trout and salmon, but the sources didn't say anything about salmon. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:35, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Second footnote source "Leaburg to Vida MP 32.7" said both trout and salmon were raised at hatchery. However, my footnote link took readers to source's home page (vice exact page with info)...something I should have fixed before releasing article.--Orygun (talk) 00:19, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

Hiya, this is Theaura. I really appreciate your welcome note. Thanks so much for it!

Theaura (talk) 23:43, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Art Building (Willamette University)

On 12 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Art Building (Willamette University), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 17:33, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Oregon State Bar

On 13 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Oregon State Bar , which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

PFHLai (talk) 00:07, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Pioneer Courthouse Square sockpuppets

Hi, just commenting on your edit summary question: what this guy does is create accounts, wait four days, make a bunch of pointless minor edits (adding adverbs and commas) and then the account is autoconfirmed. There is no way of stopping that kind of determined abuse without fully protecting the page... --Bonadea (talk) 07:58, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm wondering if it is worth a checkuser and then IP block then? Aboutmovies (talk) 08:00, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

If ever I've seen a case where that would be appropriate...this is it. -Pete (talk) 15:52, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Hear, hear! Katr67 (talk) 16:48, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

I just looked at the checkuser case and the underlying IPs have been blocked for 6 months. However,judging by the one IP listed in the case, s/he's using a dynamic Qwest IP, so I don't know if there's much we can do except keep everything protected. Can we get a site ban, for what good that will do? What do you think of the big ol' template on the page? I wish there was some way to inform legit users who wish to make changes about what's going on, without (this is my opinion) giving the troll some sort of prize for being such an a-hole. Katr67 (talk) 19:22, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

I tend to think that quiet diligence will win the day here. Seems like there's at least 4 or 5 of us regulars keeping an eye on this lately, and...well, it sort of seems like this person is in it for the attention. If we just quickly revert the silly edits with little commentary, I think in the long run that will take less of our time, and do less to push his/her buttons, than escalating the situation. Just my 2¢ -- if one of you want to pursue something more administrative, I'm not necessarily opposed. -Pete (talk) 22:32, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree, doing as little as possible (reverting) seems the way to go. This person has gone to some effort and is rather wikiknowledgable. It would be nice to turn them away from the dark side of the force. —EncMstr (talk) 23:14, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Regarding the Ashland High School Page and Sock Puppeting

Recently, there were some additions to the Ashland High School (Oregon) page. I dont believe this should've been removed.

Ive read why they were removed and it doesnt make sense. Many names were removed because they were not "notable" but it is not there notablity that earns them a place on the page, its simply that they are part of the history of the school. For example, why should student body presidents be removed. I was told my addition about matt and willy's campaign was original research but it is not. Its been discussed and published by the school newspaper. I tried to cite it but maybe I did it wrong. I cited the online news site because i wasnt sure how to cite a physical newspaper. If you can point me into the right direction to get that corrected, it'd be appreciated.

Thanks

JakeGavin (talk) 04:02, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

I guess I simply disagree with WP:NOT which I guess is my own personal problem. Honestly, its simply a waste of time typing these ridiculous messages to the e-police of wikipedia. I'm done arguing it cause aparantly, my personal beliefs of what is important info for the article conflicts what wikipedia believes. As for sock puppetry, WunderWu is my friend. I dont know how these issues get resolved but there is plenty of evidence (IPs) showing that we are separate people and none, other than your hunch or "intuitive reckoning", that we are the same. But if thats all it takes to get someone banned, I guess once again, this is clearly not the place for me. Its a shame that my friend and I will be prevented from editing in the future if we ever felt inclined to do so, simply because we had similar interests. I do not intend to attempt to edit again, honestly, I feel its dull and there are better ways of having my information, research, and views published, but I would like to get the sockpuppetry worked out incase I ever did feel inclined to "help the community."

JakeGavin (talk) 07:34, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Aight, well sorry for "wasting" so much of your time. Have...uh fun?...writing your encyclopedia... Thanks for the work you put into it.

JakeGavin (talk) 02:35, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

/* Art Education */

Hello Aboutmovies,

Thank you for your helpful input regarding The Ashland Academy of Art page. I edited the content and removed all opinionated statements in order to make this page neutral. I'm pulling some more references in order to reach wikipedias notability standards. I'm working on some more articles that I hope to have up in the near future. Thanks again for the input. Let me know if theres anything else I can do.

Thanks! Phronesis66 (talk) 07:13, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for STAR radio

On 20 October, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article STAR radio, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

sorry ...no tape deck for you, but thx Victuallers (talk) 07:45, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Meier & Frank department store list

Hello, I noticed you recently restores the list of Meier & Frank stores to the page. As you have noticed, some Wikipedia users have felt that these lists are not allowed. Please join the discussion at the link below and share your thoughts. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Bloomingdale's locations It is my opinion that these lists, as long as they are not extremely long (more than 100 stores or so) and can be sourced, are a great addition to the article. Hopefully, we can build a consensus that agrees with us. PanzaM22 (talk) 19:16, 21 October 2008 (UTC) Mike

College radio stations

If you'd like to revisit whether the college radio stations category should be subdivided by state or not, you're welcome to initiate a discussion between Wikipedia:WikiProject Oregon and Wikipedia:WikiProject Radio Stations anytime you'd like. But simply recreating a category that CFD has already deleted isn't okay. And I don't really understand your rationale that "wikiprojects don't control categories", either — how on earth do you figure that WikiProject Radio Stations having a consensus against format-by-state subcategories is "a wikiproject controlling categories", but WikiProject Oregon wanting a format-by-state subcategory to exist isn't "a wikiproject controlling categories"?

A polite and WP:CIVIL discussion is always welcome, if you can present a cogent case for why the category should exist, but CFD results are always final until there's actually a discussion to establish a new consensus. There are valid processes to revisit a CFD result if you disagree with it, but simply ignoring it isn't one of them. Bearcat (talk) 16:41, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Bearcat, whoa. Even if he did mean that comment like you suggest, is this really the way to deal with it? Every little inaccurate comment doesn't need to be beaten into the ground. If a new discussion about the content issue is the way to go, let's just do that, huh? -Pete (talk) 17:21, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I've initiated an RFC discussion at Category talk:College radio stations in Oregon so that there's a centralized place for discussion. Please feel free to participate in the discussion. Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 17:52, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Just to be perfectly clear about your first comment, the cat in question was never listed on a CFD (thus there was not "actually a discussion" to begin with), nor was tagged to give notice, thus deleting it under that CFD rationale was improper. Deleting it with the stated rationale, as my comments indicated when it was re-created was not proper. My comments about WikiProjects was meant to be ironic, sarcastic, and pointed, in that WikiProjects cannot control things in the way you stated in your deletion, for exactly the problem where if one WikiProject decides something is OK and another says no, then whose rules govern? So what I said was meant as: well, I know a WP that says these are normal so I'll cite them, but and more importantly it doesn't matter because WPs don't control. So I really don't need to adjust my irony level, it was quite intentional, but thanks for the personal attack in an edit summary! Aboutmovies (talk) 00:46, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Chuck Riley (Oregon politician)

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Cheers! Royalbroil 17:23, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks and question

First of all, thank you for the welcome. I am new to Wikipedia.

Second, for the question, I was not sure about the notability tag that you placed on the Terry Isaac biographical page, but I added some other details about this gentleman that I believe are appropriate to the Wikipedian standard. If this is off track, please help.

Outdoorguide228 (talk) 08:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Multiple Log-ins & Embarrasing Block

Thank you very much for your kind welcome!

Two questions (I promise not to be so lengthy again):

1. I have by necessity (?) created two user names EmilEik for English Wikipedia and EmilEikS for Swedish Wikipedia. This gets pretty confusing, keeping track of which one I am logged in on, whether or not I am logged in at all, where to find my talk, or the right one, etc. For example I am now writing to you logged in on the user name for the Swedish site but on English Wiki. That's the only way I could find your nice welcome again. If I try to log in on the Swedish site with EmilEik (without the S) my attempt is rejected. Can anything be done to simplify these procedures?

2. I have contributed five new articles, which is about all I want to do now, and then maintain and update them from time to time. (It has all been very time-consuming day and night and I have other obligations.)

S. On Swedish Wikipedia:

S1. Roger Jönsson

S2. Steve Vigil

E. On English Wikipedia:

E1. Birgit Ridderstedt

E2. Jacob Truedson Demitz

E3. Wild Side Story (still being built up)

Article S2 has been especially well received by a Swedish admin. who kept it from being rejected.

It seems that since yesterday a robot has been put in blocking the articles E2 and E3 and everything in them entirely from being crawled by Google.

This is especially embarrassing since Mr. Demitz has supplied us with our main reference sources and been very generous with his time and valuable information (all of which I have independently verified in his files and with others).

What if anything can be done about that one? EmilEikS (talk) 13:18, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you so much for quickly fixing my log-ins! As for the blockage, what worried me was that everything showed up beautifully in Google at first, but then disappeared. Today, the same thing happened with article E1. That's three out of five. I will write where you said if it doesn't clear up by say Wednesday... Thanx again! EmilEikS (talk) 00:19, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

...for sorting out Ann Aiken. I could see the additions were not straight vandalism but still dubious: I didn't have time to read them all at once, and I could see that there were some references to newspapers but that the whole thing was probably POV. So I pointed the author to all the policies and put th article in my "worry about this tomorrow" pile, from which I am happy to see you have removed it. Thanks again. JohnCD (talk) 20:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Mount Coffee Hydropower Project

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Thank you for your contributions! - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 17:47, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Montserrado County

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Elucidate ^{(parlez à moi)} Ici pour humor 21:16, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Apple Valley Airport (Oregon)

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Cirt (talk) 00:53, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for welcoming me to Wikipedia. DeepestGreen[talk] 10:39, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Pioneer Hall

If you look at Pioneer Hall (Oregon), I added a gallery with multiple images. I would like your input on which would be best for the infobox image. I am comfortable with the one now, but what do you think? --DerRichter (talk) 20:30, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

T~T

Sorry! I forgot to thank you for your welcome message on my talk page... Of course that was a LONG time ago (it was in June)... But thanks again! Moocowsrule (talk) 22:18, 31 October 2008 (UTC)moocowsrule

Notes

I always thought of ”Notes” section as used for either footnotes or explanatory notes, see “Footnote system” (section 4.2.1) in WP:CITE. I thought of references as used for a general reference that would cite overall references to a source & not necessarily linked to any specific sentence in the article. This seems to me like an acceptable technique & choice of style. No? Thanks! FieldMarine (talk) 00:28, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Ports infobox

Thanks fro creating a Ports infobox, which I've added to a couple more articles as a kind of test run. I might make some mild tweaks to the entires to make the import/export and warehouse space lines permnanet as these are standard to most WP:Ports articles. Otherwise its great, and fills a gaping hole in the project. So thanks again.

And yes, the Port of Yingkou founding date was a typo :) Euryalus (talk) 08:58, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Brian Druker

From the fact that you've added links to Brian Druker on imatinib and Philadelphia chromosome, can I infer that you will be creating an article about this scientist? I'm sure he's notable, and will soon be inundated with prizes. JFW | T@lk 12:07, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Pacific University entry

Hi, I'm fairly new to Wikipedia editing. I went back to the entry and re-added the information that I have online sources for. If you have any questions about these edits, just let me know. Thanks!--Lkissler (talk) 19:51, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Saint John River (Liberia)

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Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 19:58, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Jesse Quinn Thornton

I don't understand your problem with recent edits to the J Q Thornton entry. The existing content was rearranged to make better sense, some misstatements and gibberish were removed, and a few new statements, supported by new and existing references, were added. I suppose I might had deleted a reference inadvertently, but how closely did *you* look at the revisions? I have taken out the word "significantly" since it seems to bother you so much, and removed some biographical information about Mrs. Thornton, which, although perfectly true, is not contained in the reference immediately following it.)144.35.8.13 (talk) 00:38, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Joseph C. Hare

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Gatoclass (talk) 11:14, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

The very nice coloured 100 medal

		The 100 DYK Medal
		Seems like only yesterday you were getting the 25 model. This is my favourite colour of DYK medal (but the 200 is quite nice too). Oregon has thanked you, the dead people you have brought to life thank you... and here the wiki and I salute you. Well done. Victuallers (talk) 15:19, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Why thank you, only 97 to go or so for the 200 model. Aboutmovies (talk) 16:39, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Pacific University Health Professions Campus

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Victuallers (talk) 23:03, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Charles Shorey House

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Gatoclass (talk) 09:33, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for adding the various links to Charles H. Turner (attorney), U.S. Attorney for Oregon. I shall have to write up an article on him at some point. Cirt (talk) 07:48, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

No problem, figured I'd see how many articles linked to him and make sure the link was consistent. Should be a good article when done, it looks like he's still bitter about the plot and that they got off with some light sentences. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:10, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

I would think most humans would be bitter if someone or some group of individuals plotted an assassination attempt to murder them, actually carrying out portions of the plot... I will do some research and see what I can dig up as far as fleshing out more biographical info and his history within Oregon law and politics. Cirt (talk) 03:29, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

As Charles H. Turner is already taken, can you think of any other better names for the article title than Charles H. Turner (attorney) ? Cirt (talk) 03:32, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

If you can find his middle name I would go with that, though I've done some searching and didn't find it. Otherwise, the only other option I can think of is (Oregon attorney) which conforms more to standard practice, but I don't know if it is really any better than what it is now. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:14, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay thanks, I will do some research and let you know. Cirt (talk) 07:23, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for fixing my terrible info. box edits on the Exterro page. I have been looking and looking for instructions on how to make that, with little luck! LegalTech (talk) 21:53, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Malcolm F. Marsh

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Cirt (talk) 16:49, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Three Weeks and This

It took only three weeks from your nice welcome on my user talk to end up like we are now, with me just about to pull out and forbidden by my Board, which approved my project last month, to continute to communicate with people we consider impossible. Anything you can do to help me communicate with people so that they don't reply with nastimness every time, no matter what I try? Any administrator you can recommend who is good with people? Perhaps you or he/she would like to be so kind just to look at the Commons link on my user page and then write a few kind words at the bottom of my user talk on English Wiki to close things out a little upbeat? That would be less embarassing. Truly yours, EmilEikS (talk) 06:15, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

William Barlow (Oregon)

Hi Aboutmovies, I've added a reference to William Barlow (Oregon) and expanded the article as well. Do you think this is enough to establish notability?  LinguistAtLarge  16:23, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

It should be enough as that source is much like an encyclopedia and he had his own entry. You may look through Google Books for info on him as well just to make sure no one else challenges the notability. Good job with the article. Aboutmovies (talk) 22:37, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!  LinguistAtLarge  00:44, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Re: DYK notes

Thank you for your message. I am not offended, and I appreciate your input. I just wanted to also give you my thoughts on the matter.

• As for the purpose of DYK, I grant you that I have not been here very long, but as far as I know, the guidelines at WP:DYK are descriptive, not prescriptive. I don't think we have to it. In fact, I would venture to guess that if you went to WT:DYK and asked what the purpose of DYK is, there would be a lot of disagreement even among longtime admins and contributors. I do agree that rewarding editors is a major purpose, and possibly the most important purpose, but I also care a lot about the quality of what goes to the front page; as you have suggested, I do try very hard to make sure hooks suggestions make it to the template, but in addition, I try very hard to make sure the hook suggestion to finally make it to the template is the best possible hook that could have been made from that article. I try to apply the same standards to others' work (when I review hooks) as I do to my own (when I expand and nominate an article).
• As for what's interesting, I agree that it's very subjective. I try to judge hooks based not on what I find interesting, but on what I believe would appeal to a broad general readership—of course that is hard to gauge, but I look at things such as whether the information in the hook is something unexpected or ironic, or unique or record-setting (keeping in mind the fact that, as you pointed out, "unique" doesn't always mean "interesting"). I think it's good to reward editors for their work, but at the same time I want to do my small part to help make sure DYK doesn't appear to the outside world to be a collection of boring and stupid facts. For example, lately there have been a lot of DYK hooks about things like roads, and in cases like that I try to at least force the nominator to come up with something interesting about it; I don't think it should be the case that every dull article that gets written should be rewarded (imagine the backlog we would have), and therefore I try to push people to make sure the articles they create aren't dull.

Again, thanks for your comments. —Politizer ^talk/_contribs 20:35, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Vicki Berger

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BorgQueen (talk) 23:56, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

For the welcome to Wikipedia! Your note was the first feedback I've received on my first page. Thank you for any input / comments / edits you might have. prazan 15:57, 20 November 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prazan (talk • contribs)

DYK for T. E. Breitenbach

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07:02, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK: Earl T. Newbry

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--PFHLai (talk) 18:44, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Footnotes & punctuation

Thank you for your considerate note on this subject! Had had that same from another editor also. I am now trying to mend my ways, and will have to concentrate not to use Wikipolicy when I am writing elsewhere, where it would be considered wrong. I am fixing to finish one the most important articles (to me) in my contributions this month (the whole project is just about done). Do you know how to request a reassessment of its C-rating (see Jacob Truedson Demitz & discussion there at bottom)? EmilEikS (talk) 16:24, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Hilary Teague

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BorgQueen (talk) 02:44, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

…for the award, much appreciated! Yes, I should archive. I'll see about that this morning. Great work yourself lately, too! -Pete (talk) 16:37, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Also, FYI on your list of Senator articles to improve -- there's lots of info about Henry Corbett in the sources I used for Henry Failing and maybe Josiah Failing as well. They were longtime friends and business partners. I'd be happy to work on that one with you, he was a pretty influential guy from what I understand. -Pete (talk) 16:42, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: Assessment

Both of these articles are very good as far as stubs go, and they are both very close to start-class. I just thought they were a little short and could use a paragraph or two more to make them start-class. They are both very close though, and I admit the distinction between classes is a bit subjective here. --TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 03:48, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

I admit that I may have mis-assessed those two pages; as I said, the distinction between certain classes can be a bit subjective. Though these two are longer than a usual stub, there are definitely stubs that are longer than a few sentences; the example start-class article has eight (admittedly short) paragraphs, and a lot of articles that are three-five paragraphs are a bit of a gray area, especially when the different sections come in. The two pages in question probably qualify for start because they are decently long and have plenty of references (at least for Hall/Nimbus). Sorry about the mis-assessment anyway. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 22:48, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Loyal B. Stearns

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BorgQueen (talk) 21:26, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for John W. Frazer

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BorgQueen (talk) 09:37, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Karen S. Davis search and categories

Thank you for your kind welcome. I do have two questions. (1) When the title of an article contains a person's middle initial, how can someone searching for this person also find the article if they do NOT type the middle initial? I see other articles that allow this (for example, they reach a disambiguation page) but I cannot discover how to accomplish it. (2) I believe I formatted the categories correctly at the bottom of the page, yet the name of the article (in this case, the person) doesn't appear in the categories. Thanks so much.Scrivattrice (talk) 02:13, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Robert Harrison (publisher)

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DYKBot (talk) 09:57, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Hall/Nimbus Station

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DYKBot (talk) 22:06, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!!

I appreciate the welcome. Billybob1969 (talk) 09:30, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Willamette Bearcats

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Backslash Forwardslash 12:01, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Hi, Aboutmovies. Thanks for your help in finding articles I can help clean up in Project Oregon. Sylvia A (talk) 02:10, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Clay-Ashland

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BorgQueen (talk) 08:07, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Willamette Bearcats

Saw your article on Willamette Bearcats. It reminded me that Dr Chuck Bowles contributed a lot to Willamette sports--so I wrote/uploaded bio. By the way, your Willamette articles are all very good.--Orygun (talk) 03:08, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Aboutmovies, thanks for telling me about not putting the user sig in the edit summaries. I really appreciate this kind of help. Sylvia A (talk) 06:05, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

DYK for Glenn & Viola Walters Cultural Arts Center

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BorgQueen (talk) 10:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

ATHLETE

Hey there Aboutmovies, To answer your question in Undead's RfA, I don't know exactly when the consensus changed. I do know that when I was doing AfD's on a semi-regular basis, which would be the fall of 2007, AfD were deleting articles as not meeting ATHLETE. Heck, I even recall WP:BASEBALL being cited a number of times to delete minor league baseball players, because minor league baseball wasn't considered "fully professional." I think at the time, ATHLETE/BASEBALL was being given prominence over BIO in an effort to eliminate non-notable college/minor league athletes. If you look at the baseball/college football projects, neither of them made any claim about their players being notable until they made it to the top level of the pros. ATHLETE was being interpretted to convey notability to people who played at the terminal level of their sport. E.G. college football wasn't the terminal level, one could move on to the pros. Minor league baseball players, despite significant coverage, weren't considered notable until they played in at the MLB level. I remember one debate where a college player had been drafted, signed with a team, was expected to make the team, but was deleted because he hadn't played at a professional level.---Balloonman ^PoppaBalloon 16:28, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Balloonman, that interpretation -- though apparently widespread for some time -- is incorrect. Please see the extensive discussion in the (I believe third) AfD for Alex Nimo. I don't know of any case where it's acceptable to delete an article that is well sourced to reliable sources. (With obvious exceptions for attack pages, etc.)

WikiProjects have been empowered to create guidelines that exceed the notability criterion; that is, guidelines that are more inclusive. Not less. -Pete (talk) 16:36, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Balloonman, I know where you are coming from, as Pete mentions the above AFD. But the guideline (built from consensus) is BIO, and ATHLETE is really just a shortcut to a section of the BIO guideline, and never (at least in my time here) has been a standalone guideline. Unfortunately, many people have treated it like a separate guideline and have managed to get articles deleted through AFD. But like AFD says, the closing admin's responsibility is to weigh the arguments based on policies/guidelines:

Please also note that closing admins are expected and required to exercise their judgment in order to make sure that the decision complies with the spirit of all Wikipedia policy and with the project goal. A good admin will transparently explain how the decision was reached.

Basically the consensus was wrong in those situations where people argued ATHLETE overrode N, but that doesn't override the wider community consensus that developed the guidelines. That's where an Admin makes his/her money, knowing these nuances and the interplay between the guidelines. And since I personally feel Undead doesn't have a good grasp on this (see the part about WikiProjects) that's why I have opposed, and I'm guessing that is why the editor who mentioned you also opposes Undead, simply using an example of why admins need to know this. And frnakly, the only reason I commented on your comment was because you made it seem like something had changed recently, and it hadn't, almost downplaying your AFD snafu. Deletion is the worst thing that can happen to an article, and it must be used only in the proper ways, and since only admins get to delete, it is imperative they know the rules/guidelines backwards and forwards. Aboutmovies (talk) 01:27, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Question abt Weasel Words category

Hi, Aboutmovies. I have been going through the list of articles w weasel words on this page, doing my best to get rid of the weasel words in cases where I know enough to do so, but on some of these articles I haven't found any marked weasel words to deal with. For the first couple I found like that I simply removed them from that list, but I'm wondering if that's really the right thing to do. ? Sylvia A (talk) 02:44, 22 December 2008 (UTC)