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BLP-violating draft

Hi! I'm a little torn here (I also admit to being a little intimidated, having seen your name on things like Arbcom decisions as One Who Speaks Sense). While it's certainly nice to see an admin taking care to consider a speedy nomination instead of just hitting delete, I'm concerned that in this draft you then restored completely unsourced information alleging a named person was responsible for (and convicted of) various heinous offences. I've gone ahead and removed every instance of the name from the draft but remain concerned the surname is still in the title, the offending material is still archived in the history, and also by the question of if simply restoring it unedited was really in compliance with WP:BLPREVERT.

Am I wrong? I probably am, to be fair, but something about this feels not in-tune with BLP policy. 78.149.135.163 (talk) 20:13, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Technically some stuff is cited - there are links in the Infobox to case related materials - including the Oral Argument whcih establishes some of the facts, though you are of course correct nothing is cited in-line. I wasn't going to point that out in the decline because the bigger point remains: this is a US Supreme Court case and so if there are negative facts about a BLP, well that's just the way it goes sometimes and for speedy deletion purposes this was not negative enough to justify deletion. Replacing the person's name with other language until better citation can be done in the draft does seem appropriate to me as well. And thanks for the kind words. Barkeep49 (talk) 20:24, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

<nods thoughtfully> Thanks for the quick response. If I were a better writer/researcher I might try and source/expand the draft myself, as it strikes me as a reasonably important question of law. Certainly it seems better than the other drafts I found around the same time (now gone but see my deleted contribs for examples). Unfortunately I don't think I'm competent to do it. Thanks for all you do around here. 78.149.135.163 (talk) 20:28, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

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AE Request

Hi, thanks for permission to go over 500 words in responding to my AE report. I'm not familiar with how this plays out really - is it usually the done thing for the reporter to continually amend the complaint? In my statement I replied to points made and incorrect claims which have been removed or edited or changed. I've already edited my statement once to account for the changing request, I don't have time to stay on top of it though. Apologies for asking here if this isn't the done thing either! Void if removed (talk) 18:17, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

@Void if removed no they shouldn't be doing that. I've requested they stop. Barkeep49 (talk) 19:19, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Am I allowed to add a reply to my statement? LunaHasArrived has pointed out I've made a mistake I want to apologise for, and also I'd like to respond to the "LGBA Founders" thing because it's been kind of my white whale and I've not covered myself in glory there over the years but I've moved on. Void if removed (talk) 20:56, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes. If you keep your total replies under 300 words you're fine. If this gets much larger and you need more words ask again. I hope to jump substantively to what's happening soon. Barkeep49 (talk) 01:03, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

RE: this comment 22 December Went back here per Radilacs response to my first batch. WP:SPLC notes that they are reliable but their labeling shouldn't automatically be included in the LEAD. I'm curious in what circumstances Void would find it appropriate to include a gender related hate designation in the lead given their reluctance on these two. I'm happy to respond but I'm at my limit now do you still want me to? I've already added links to relevant context to two edits you mentioned I hope that's ok. Void if removed (talk) 21:03, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

You can definitely have some additional words to reply to me. Barkeep49 (talk) 21:10, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

@Void if removed thanks for your email. As chance would have it I was in possession of that information already, but I appreciate your making sure of that. Barkeep49 (talk) 16:54, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the time you put in to assessing my case. I'll take all the constructive comments on board. Void if removed (talk) 13:46, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

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Change to the Functionary team

Following a request to the Committee, the CheckUser permissions of Barkeep49 (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) have been restored.

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Clear vs clear and substantial

This came up in an earlier discussion, and I finally found it. Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Archive 19#Quick question. Maybe the standard changed, and maybe it only applies actions taken to enforce Arbcom placed sanctions. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:57, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

@ScottishFinnishRadish I can confirm that it was intentionally changed in DS to CT from clear and substantial to clear. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 17:00, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Gotcha, thanks. I'm just glad that I didn't hallucinate asking about that somewhere. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:04, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

September music

story · music · places

Per calendar, BWV 78 is 300 years today! = my story -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:04, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Three stories related to today in memory, 11 September, 20 July and 20 June, the latter piece of art also pictured on the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:04, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Attack page

The "singer-songwriter" draft page you just moved is the target of a long harassment campaign similar to Chris Chan. The page is pure trolling and serves no purpose except to continue that harassment. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 17:01, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

@Helpful Raccoon I appreciate that background. I'm certainly familiar with the harassment of Chan. My quick googling doesn't reveal quite that same kind of harassment but does reveal a focus on the BLP violations that caused me to revdel the move logs. Can you document (perhaps best done in an email) more of that harassment campaign? Alternatively I agree it's unlikely they'll ever be able to move from being a draft page so perhaps try MFD? Barkeep49 (talk) 17:07, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I removed some false information that is part of the trolling. This is very similar to Chris Chan, including a wiki his "fans" have put together that documents his delusions. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:13, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

@Liz if you think the page is better off deleted don't let me stop you. Barkeep49 (talk) 17:21, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

I put it up for a MfD, although I still think it should be speedy deleted. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 23:54, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

AE

(ping ScottishFinnishRadish) I won't have a chance to write anything substantial till this evening. I've responded the most recent issue (the “trans kids” one) on the talk page it occurred, to try to address how that's been misrepresented. But as you note there are a lot of diffs offered, and I'm quite sure by this evening there will be other posts by other editors with 50 more diffs. I wish it was clearer which are the areas of concern you guys would like me to address, and which you've already dismissed as misinterpreted. You can email me if you think that might be kinder. -- Colin°^Talk 10:44, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

I'm glad FFF was able to reformat the diffs for you (I was going to put them here). Also because this is at a conduct noticeboard I will be keeping my substantive comments there. Barkeep49 (talk) 16:04, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

(ping ScottishFinnishRadish again). There are two diffs with a "diffonly=1" flag on them, which prevents examination of the context. Could those be removed too please. -- Colin°^Talk 17:30, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

AE, travel

BK and SFR, I don't want to clutter the AE page with my typical travelogue, but I saw the AE last night after I finished packing, am headed this morning to the airport, will be flying all day, then traveling from the airport to my destination for a family wedding, getting in late. That is, at best, it will take me at least 24 hours to even be able to read the rest of the diffs. I'd like to have more time to view and comment on any real issues, which the most recent was not. And the mobile diffs will make it much harder to work from my (very slow) hotspot at the airport; I did not realize, for example, that WhatamIdoing was the first to use the term "trans kids" because of the mess of trying to view the whole page from a mobile diff with limited time. Is it possible to reinforce that the OP needs to better focus their diffs on any that are truly problematic, hopefully with non-mobile version, so that context can be more easily viewed and discussed? I wasted what little time I had last night commenting on a mobile diff with no context that was better handled by WAID. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:57, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

It would be really great if someone could just edit those urls to be standard diffs. Surely that's not contentious? -- Colin°^Talk 13:59, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

On the topic of mobile diffs, User:Þjarkur/NeverUseMobileVersion.js will take care of that. I have that installed to keep the site from forcing me back to the horrible mobile interface randomly, but it also shifts diffs to regular desktop diffs. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:00, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. That seems to work, though I can see the browser fetch the mobile page and then the desktop one after. SFN, your common.js is, em, extremely trusting of a lot of random users! -- Colin°^Talk 14:18, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, it has to load all your scripts before it knows to open the right version of the page. It's better than nothing though. Also, you reminded me to do a bit of cleanup on my common.js. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:39, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Thx to both, that helps, I'm off ... SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:06, 12 September 2024 (UTC)