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PreerP

Hi! I wondered, did you read my comment at Talk:PreerP‎? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 15:27, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, but speedy is only for blatant hoaxes and this case was not immediately conclusive. I'd suggest a {{prod}} tag instead. - Dravecky (talk) 23:37, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

OK, just wanted to be sure, as it seems pretty blatant to me. I tend not to use prod as "PROD must only be used if no opposition is to be expected", and you can almost always expect the article creator to object, as indeed I would in this case. AfD it is. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:37, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

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In respose to 12th street station

I added a reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coolkid234 (talk • contribs) 19:11, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

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DYK for Alayna Westcom

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Charivari

You tagged Charivari (Gruber) as "primary source", which is correct, but what better source would you expect anywhere secondary than a composer speaking about his work? - I remember a similar case for a composition by Killmayer, which was accepted for DYK after all (2011, see talk), because all secondary sources could only copy what the composer had said, or be wrong, no?--Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:59, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

In the more than 30 years since it was first performed, hasn't it been reviewed in the press at least once? A brief "critical reaction" section sourced to a couple of reliable third-party publications would help. As would a scholarly look at the piece. With only the composer's words to go by, it's impossible to prove notability for the purposes of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. - Dravecky (talk) 13:03, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

I am only the nominator, so haven't done any research, nor will I, for lack of time. As expressed in the DYK nom, I think that publication by a notable publisher and recordings by notable orchestras establish notability. It's not a symphony scholars would write about. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:30, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

ps found mentioning but really have no time for this --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:36, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Notability is not inherited so, no, simply being published by a notable publisher is not sufficient. According to WP:NMUSIC, "Self-promotion and product placement are not the routes to having an encyclopedia article. The published works must be someone else writing about the musician, ensemble, composer, or lyricist, or their works. (See Wikipedia:Self published sources for details about the reliability of self-published sources, and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest for treatment of promotional, vanity material.) The barometer of notability is whether people independent of the subject itself have actually considered the musician, ensemble, composer, or lyricist notable enough that they have written and published non-trivial works that focus upon it." - Dravecky (talk) 20:21, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

I still have no time but question two items of the above:

• Boosey & Hawks is not a self-published source.
• I said published AND performed and recorded by notable people (here in 2007), and haven't even mentioned the class of the composer. - Wait a week, and I go research, not now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:52, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Boosey & Hawkes is the music publisher and the cited page is a sales page. That's not the independent coverage required for notability. Not every composition by every composer is automatically notable. - Dravecky (talk) 01:34, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

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Re-look

Hi ... tx for your review of the Marpet DYK; I've made some revisions based on your comments, and perhaps you might have a re-look when you have a chance. Tx. --Epeefleche (talk) 20:12, 27 June 2015 (UTC)