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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:05, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Mehmet Çelik

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Delete. Completely unsourced article about a journalist, which just states that he exists and fails to substantiate any actual evidence of notability per WP:JOURNALIST. As always, a person is not automatically entitled to a Wikipedia article just because he exists, but nothing here fulfills the standards necessary for an article to become warranted. Bearcat (talk) 23:58, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as unsourced BLP without prejudice to creating again with sources. --Andreas Philopater (talk) 22:53, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
delete unsourced article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:44, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Even considering the relative weakness of the two "oppose" opinions (which is another way to say "keep"), both Mable and Czar don't make any argument for deletion, and even the nomination isn't really presenting a strong policy-backed reason to delete. It's clear that this "keep" closure does not constitute endorsement of the entire article "as is" and heavy work will be necessary to improve the neutrality and accuracy (w/r/t sources) of the article. Czar's proposal to summarize it in the Glossary and redirect there might also merit further discussion on the talk page if work on the article itself doesn't look like it's gonna take place. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 16:42, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Serious game

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This appears on the face of it to be an attempt to promote a neologism. The article has been subject to spam editing for a long time, and most of the sources require WP:SYN to arrive at this title. Guy (Help!) 23:55, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm really surprised this has had no participation so far. My impression is the same, that this is a forced neologism, and that some developers use it to distinguish their work from "regular" and "casual" games. Now, there are sources that use the term, so I doubt outright deletion is even under consideration, but if there is no in-depth, secondary source discussion of the concepts behind serious games, then the term might as well be succinctly summarized in the Glossary of video game terms and redirected there. czar 08:17, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - if there's a problem with the naming the page should be moved and not deleted. However from what I can see there are enough sources that warrant the page's title (as well as its existence in terms of notability). --Fixuture (talk) 22:11, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

We counted the sources—we're asking what's substantial within them... czar 23:41, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose - Anything CZAR keeps requesting to be deleted proves he knows NOTHING about the game industry, it's a growing industry, and it's impossible to site all the sources. Serious Games is a coined term used globally & it's has Organizations built around it for Education, etc. For crying out loud CZAR can u back off the Game Dev topics. Using the Video Game Source list isn't reliable either...Kotaku doesn't doesn't feed the world on every little detail or has the time to report everything out there. Shhhesssh~! Can WE VOTE TO HAVE CZAR BLOCKED FROM TOUCHING GAME DEV CONTENT HERE!Xelzeta (talk) 17:57, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This is a deletion discussion. You're meant to provide your view and a rationale for why the article should be kept or deleted based on its topic. You are not meant to attack other editors for nominating an article for deletion. Insulting another editor is also not seen as a credible argument for keeping an article. --The1337gamer (talk) 18:04, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral, leaning to a "keep". The term "serious game" gets a lot of coverage and is the subject of a lot of study. Looking at the 'further reading' section of this article, I personally think there is plenty of literature on this concept. I personally hate the term, but its notability feels hard to dismiss. That being said: because the majority of the sources in this article are papers, I have very little knowledge of how reliable they are. I personally feel unqualified for giving a judgement. An article like this does make me lean to "keep". ~Mable (chat) 18:29, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:05, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Méryl Marchetti

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No evidence of notability either here or in the corresponding Spanish article or in Google. All I found were things like Twitter, LinkedIn, and Wiki scrapes. Narky Blert (talk) 23:08, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Deleted twiceon fr-wiki (2007, 2016) as not meeting notability requirements. No evidence found that he meets WP:ANYBIO or WP:CREATIVE. ^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~ 01:12, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete non-notable poet.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:45, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 03:02, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Playbak Magazine

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I would quite honestly suggest we have an unspecified paid advertisement here because the author has avidly removed any attempts of changes, including the last attempt of 2 for dele, I still confirm my PROD as it in fact also suggested advertising motivations. WP:NOT explicitly allows removal of such blatancy and there's no questions about it. SwisterTwister talk 22:52, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. A previous version with a different title (Playbak) was deleted as spam (G11). The current version does not qualify under G11, though. However, looking at the sources we have ref. 1 which looks like it's a press release, ref. 2 which is about the magazine's founder and only mentions it in-passing, and ref 3. which is just a newsfeed. The external links are inappropriate links to the magazine's Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram accounts, a link to a YouTube video (not a reliable source), a photo of unclear relevance where Playbak is mentioned, a link to someone's personal website where the magazine is mentioned in-passing, and a link to a site offering the magazine for sale. In short, not a single one of these references provides the in-depth coverage in reliable sources that is needed to establish notability. --Randykitty (talk) 09:34, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as per G5, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Daniel Kobe Ricks Jr. GAB^gab 15:21, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 13:43, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Scholarship controversy in the United States

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Essay that fails WP:NOTESSAY and WP:NOTGUIDE While it is sourced, it offers advice as to how individuals in various groups should apply for aid and comes close to expressing normative views on the issues in some cases, making it a non-encyclopedic essay in some parts and guide in others. Other articles already exist that cover financial aid in US higher education, and information about any controversies can be added there. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:12, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note this appears to be an essay as part of a class project. I haven't come across this before so not sure what the best way to proceed is. I still think my concerns above are true and that the article shouldn't exist in the mainspace, but not sure if userfying or moving to draft would be better. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:51, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - simply because something is sourced, doesn't mean it belongs. This is definitely an essay, and includes a great deal of commentary and WP:OR. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 16:26, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Looks more like someone's homework assignment than an encyclopedia article. Bradv 05:42, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy Deleted per CSD G4 RickinBaltimore (talk) 16:17, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Top Model Odgerel

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Seems to be fake and/or self-promotion. bender235 (talk) 20:02, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it seems this a replicate of the already deleted Odgerel (Top Model). This should speed up the deletion process. --bender235 (talk) 20:04, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy delete - WP:G4 - Identical content recreation of Odgerel (Top Model). -- Taketa (talk) 19:05, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete. Seems like a fictional character. No reliable source. Caballero/Historiador^⎌ 19:33, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. – Juliancolton | ^Talk 01:48, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kara Donnellan

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Generally individual notability in team sports is associated with playing in a fully professional league. KD falls short of that threshold. The league for which she will be playing hasn't yet begun (WP:CRYSTAL), nor will it be fully professional. Discussion about Women's AFL seems to show that the level of article creation should be at the team, not the player, level. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian rules football#Notability of women's football. Cabayi (talk) 19:14, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. StAnselm (talk) 19:55, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Donnellan's notability has been established by extensive media coverage and her participation in the top tier exhibition series of her sport. Add a notability tag to the article if you want but it's only a matter of weeks before this league's players reach you standard of notability. Tigerman2612 (talk) 1:25, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
Keep. Sufficient coverage for GNG. The Drover's Wife (talk) 01:55, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Fremantle Football Club#AFL Women's team: I do think this article is a bit WP:TOOSOON as she hasn't played a match yet in the AFL Women's comp, the discussion as mentioned by the nominator did say that marquee players should meet notability once they play a match in the comp. The common practice for AFL players drafted who haven't debuted yet is to redirect to the current squad on the main page or the list of XX players article; as she's a marquee player she will meet notability once she plays a match, the precedent for these type of players (albeit in the men's comp) is to redirect before debuting. Flickerd (talk) 11:28, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. One of only 16 marquee players signed to the new comp (see here). I think that trying to combat the gender bias that exists in the traditional mainstream media and here as well requires some more lenient applications of the rules. And which part of new national league that's only months away from starting is "unverifiable speculation" that WP:CRYSTAL refers to? The common practice of redirecting is done for later and rookie picks, but rarely for top draft picks, which the marquee players represent. Everything in this article is verified by RS, but I accept that independence is questionable for most of the refs that cover her in detail, not just a mention, but the club & AFL websites claim to be independent, but few believe that. Applying the letter of the law for the sake of a few weeks/months delay achieves no benefit to anyone. The-Pope (talk) 13:44, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Why are we "trying to combat the gender bias that exists in the traditional mainstream media"? That seems like righting great wrongs to me. St Anselm (talk) 19:05, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Or just using the inherent discretion/judgement call that is found in terms like "significant coverage" to do a tiny thing to help address one of the most frequent criticisms of Wikipedia. The-Pope (talk) 16:17, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Legally speaking AFL Media is indeed independent. Tigerman2612 (talk) 8:38, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

~~Keep~~ Redirect - Refs in article presently are rubbish (non-independent - all from AFL.com or the club page), yet Gnews search shows plenty of non-trivial, independent hits (several from The West Australian). This is enough to satisfy GNG, and that's pretty much all that matters. Sport-specific guidelines requiring, for example, playing in a "fully professional league" are about the presumption of notability, ie, the presumption that sufficient sources should exist for a player of a certain ilk. KD doesn't need to rely on presumption - she has plenty of decent sources anyway. Any exclusion argument would have to rely on WP:NOT, which I don't think could be reasonably made. Yeti Hunter (talk) 23:29, 5 December 2016 (UTC) - EDIT: Following the comment from Aspirex below regarding usual practice at WP:AFL, best course of action would appear to be redirect to the club page for now. Assuming KD does indeed play a debut match, the page can easily be restored via a simple revert when that happens.--Yeti Hunter (talk) 05:02, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Refs from The West Australia seem to rarely show up high in the google searches, probably because their website is hosted by Yahoo! The-Pope (talk) 16:17, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Notability established by independent media coverage. Presumption of notability will also soon be covered by participation in "major amateur league" as per WP:ATHLETE though is also WP:TOOSOON as she is yet to actually debut. Tigerman2612 (talk) 3:17, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
Keep Notable, sufficient sources, and probably specifically historic for women's football. Aoziwe (talk) 14:16, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for now In my view, the extent of coverage for uncapped AFLW marquee players has been on par with that of uncapped high-to-mid round AFL draft selections. The AFL project has always taken an absolutely hard line that such players do not get articles until the day they play their first game, regardless of the extent of coverage, and it is contingent on the project to apply its own norms consistently. I've seen many AFL draftee articles deleted for "TOOSOON" on many occasions to ensure this practice is adhered to. To accept a 'keep' decision for this article while satisfying WP:NOTTEMPORARY presupposes that Donnellan would still be forever notable even if she blew out her knee in pre-season training and retired without ever playing an AFLW game. Aspirex (talk) 06:21, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, although the article isn't great, Donnellan meets WP:GNG, therefore the article should be kept (and improved). ColonialGrid (talk) 09:43, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, clearly at the top level of her sport and meets the GNG in the absence of a female-specific guideline at WP:NAFL. IgnorantArmies (talk) 15:21, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep satisfies WP:GNG. Dan arndt (talk)

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:07, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Darcy Isa

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Renominating due to the poor discussion in the last AFD as well as because of the DRV, Anyway non notable actress, Found a few mentions on Google but nothing substantial, Fails GNG. –Davey2010^Talk 18:48, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Role for which she is known for appears to be a minor background one Seasider91 (talk) 19:03, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. WP:NACTOR wants significant roles in multiple notable [...] productions, a large fan base, or unique, prolific or innovative contributions. I see no evidence for any of those. The references in the article are just routine listings of the TV shows she was in. A google search shows nothing that speaks to her notability, just twitter, our own article, IMDb, facebook, instagram, vimeo, and so on. -- RoySmith (talk) 19:14, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. KGirlTrucker81^{huh? what I've been doing} 21:43, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete a non-notable actress.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:29, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 03:02, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Desynchronized

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Zero notability, plain and simple. TheTMOBGaming2 (talk) 18:26, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - WP:NSONG, WP:GNG - Notability is not inherited. Even though the musician is notable, this does not mean the single is. I could not find multiple neutral secundary sources. A google search for newsitems gave only 1 result about a lawsuit. As such it fails WP:GNG. It did not comply with any of the three criteria at WP:NSONG. - Taketa (talk) 19:00, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedily deleted per WP:G12 and recreated as redirect to ecosystem.---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 00:31, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ecosystem function

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Article does contribute anything different from existing articles. See: Ecosystem and see Energy flow (ecology). Parkywiki (talk) 17:05, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete appears to be plagiarized from the single source Seasider91 (talk) 19:07, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. MBisanz ^talk 13:43, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

English versions of the Nicene Creed

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The article, which has many questionable copyright issues involved with English translations, is primarily a ~~lyrics~~ text repository that would be better off on Wikisource were it not for the copyright issues. After removing any copyright problems, any sourced critical commentary about English translations of the Nicene Creed can be incorporated into the Nicene Creed article. RJaguar3 | u | t 16:45, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Lyrics repository? Seriously? The Nicene creed is one of the more important attestations of faith of any religion, and, of course, was not originally written in English, so how it has been translated over the years is a proper topic for an encyclopedia article. I am simply not seeing the copyright issues--many of these are too old to be covered by copyright, and those that are not are simply derivative works themselves. Even if public religious affirmations of faith are copyrightable as a class, I remain unconvinced that what we currently have in the article is itself problematic. Jclemens (talk) 18:26, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Jclemens: Thanks for pointing out the misuse of the word "lyrics". I must have been thinking about the Gloria in excelsis Deo copyvio removal I was doing before this nomination. RJaguar3 | u | t 21:01, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete This article is wall-to-wall OR and the subject itself isn't notable. Every single source cited is a primary source documenting a particular English-language version to which many Wikipedians shamefully contributed. These versions are then followed by OR commentary about what makes each different. There is not a single secondary source discussing the topic or providing any commentary on the differences. Not only should this be deleted forthwith, I would seriously question every editor that saw this article and failed to nominate it. Chris Troutman (talk) 19:32, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't understand: you're saying one particular liturgical translation was done by Wikipedians? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:31, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - Several editors added other versions of the creed from various churches to this article, which contradicts WP:NOT and WP:PRIMARY. Content around sourced commentary never developed; it became a hodgepodge of differing versions. Chris Troutman (talk) 22:42, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - Editors are working to expand the article in good faith, and most of what has been added seems to be referenced. There's nothing "shameful" about it and statements like that create needless WP:DRAMA. And as for links like forthwith, yeah, I think we know what it means. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:59, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I would seriously question every editor that saw this article and failed to see that it's obviously about a suitable topic for an encyclopedia article. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 23:04, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep -- I agree that this is not a good article, but it is not so bad that it requires TNT. The subject is certainly notable, but it might be better for the comparison to be clause by clause, rather than denomination by denomination. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:43, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Lousy page, fails, for example, to cover the Reformation era discussions, mostly about whether ot keep it, but also about the wording, which are probably the most aspect of any encyclopedic discussion of translating this creed. If any of the modern translations excited controversy (as most liturgical wording does) that also belongs in the article. Let us pray that it will grow and improve. Greatly.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:17, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, although the translations themselves could be transwikied to wikisource(?). Smmurphy^(Talk) 19:49, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the article badly needs work, and might be revised to include non-English versions, but this page at archive.org indicates the topic of the Creed itself is widely discussed, and I have to think the various versions of the Creed used by various proponents and opponents, as well as by churches with different phrasing of the creed, probably has sufficient attention to merit a separate article. No objection to revisiting later if I'm wrong, though. John Carter (talk) 19:01, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Flagler County, Florida. (non-admin closure) –Davey2010^Talk 02:25, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bunnell Elementary School

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Unsourced stub. KATMAKROFAN (talk) 16:01, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete would redirect to the school district page, but it is a redlink. TonyBallioni (talk) 06:11, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect - si redirect it to the locality as the other standard alternative, TonyBallioni. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:00, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Flagler County, Florida per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. —C.Fred (talk) 03:55, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Flagler County, Florida, as per above. Thanks to Kudpung for the ping. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:03, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. No consensus for deletion has been formed. – Juliancolton | ^Talk 00:22, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Burke (economist)

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This article does not meet WP:BASIC nor WP:ANYBIO. This person is not notable and information on search engines is not readily available. The information presented in the biography does not show how this person is notable for inclusion on Wikipedia. Nominated due to removal of PROD. st170e^talk 13:54, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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How isn't it readily available? Yes it does, he's a prominent Irish economist. Apollo The Logician (talk) 13:59, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The only significant mention on Google is that he writes a blog for The Guardian sometimes, something that isn't notable in itself. You need to look at and understand Wikipedia's policy on notability, where it must be proven with significant, reliable, independent sources for future articles. st170e^talk 14:09, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There's a number of articles that's he's mentioned in and as mentioned in the article he was a senior international economist for Citibank Apollo The Logician (talk) 14:13, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Does that mean that we have to include all senior economists from Citibank on Wikipedia? What exactly has he done that's so notable? These are questions that you need to keep in mind when deciding on an article to write. st170e^talk 14:36, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That's a straw man. Apollo The Logician (talk) 14:53, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm just pointing out the flaws in your argument for his inclusion. A senior economist from Citibank isn't notable, it's just a title and notability is not inherited nor inherent. There are plenty in the world with this title but they aren't on Wikipedia. If he won an Olympic medal, sure, include him. If he won the Nobel Peace Prize or worked as a finance minister who published award winning-books, sure, that's notable. Your argument is that he's a senior economist and writes a blog for the Guardian. That's hardly notable in my eyes. The burden of proof to show notability lies with the author. st170e^talk 15:18, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Except I never made that argument. I never said he was a senior international economist for Citibank therefore he is notable. That was just one of the many factors. Apollo The Logician (talk) 15:23, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Let's wait for other contributors to this debate. st170e^talk 15:25, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Part of the problem is the deletion rationale is patently incorrect: "information on search engines is not readily available" is not an accurate statement. I certainly had no trouble finding it, within minutes. This Ulster Herald article about him is a good one, stating: "Speaking to the Ulster Herald this week, Mr Burke has become one of the leading proponents of the counter-argument that a united Ireland would collapse under the burden of the ‘subvention’ the North receives from the British Treasury." And it goes on from there to cite him in some detail. The article ref for IrishCentral, "Expert says United Ireland would see economic boom," is a reliable source. And a Gnews search reveals enough prominent mentions, especially in (god help us) RT, that I think he just gets by my own rule-of-thumb that "multiple" sources means three or thereabouts. And course until 2014 his work appeared regularly on the Guardian website. ~~Last but not least, being invited by the European Parliament to speak and present his case for an Irish Union would seem to me to meet criterion 1 of WP:ECONOMIST~~. I think it is clear that he is a prominent enough Irish economist for our purposes. Keep. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:02, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

UlsterHerald is a local newspaper and I don't think it adds much credence to the significant sources requirement. He wasn't actually invited by the European Parliament, he was invited to a seminar by an MEP and his presentation was in that seminar. Whilst being invited by the European Parliament would definitely show notability, I don't see how this is particularly notable. Blogging with the Guardian isn't notable on its own, although it is something. With all of this, I don't think he meets the requirements set out at WP:GNG for significant coverage. A few passing mentions in some articles are trivial, although I do want to clarify that by readily available, I meant that you need to dig a lot deeper to find information about him to use. With regards to WP:ECONOMIST, 'widely cited' I don't think he meets. Sure, in the future he could very well meet that, but I don't think the time is just right for this article. st170e^talk 17:54, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

-written multiple articles for guardian

-former senior international economist at Citibank

-mentioned in numerous articles by numerous media outlets

-notable enough that an MEP invited him to a seminar in the European Parliament.

Seems pretty notable to me.

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Keep Ulster Herald, Guardian, and Irish Central are all WP:RS and have significant coverage. Calling the Ulster Herald piece local coverage is a bit like calling a Washington Post interview with Janet Yellen local coverage. Just because the outlet is located in the same place that the article subject frequents does not automatically make it local coverage. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 00:06, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I was referring to the Ulster Herald being a local newspaper which doesn't have much weight when deciding reliable sources. Its readership is mainly local. This isn't significant coverage. st170e^talk 00:53, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:07, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled Queen Remake

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Fails WP:GNG. - Mr X 14:40, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Tamannaah has only signed on to it a few days ago. The film hasn't even started any form of filming e.g principle photography. Article is way too early. Cowlibob (talk) 21:11, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as WP:TOOSOON, article can be recreated nearer the films release wen there is more coverage. Atlantic306 (talk) 23:53, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was move to User:Ankitmaury1. Obvious case for nn-userfy. This never should have gone through AfD. —C.Fred (talk) 13:59, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

User ankitmaury1

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Useless article. The creator of this article just wrote about himself in this page. →SeniorStar (talk) 13:55, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete under criterion A7. A family counts as a group, and there's no significance asserted. —C.Fred (talk) 14:03, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kunnirickal

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No evidence of notability, no reliable sources added.→SeniorStar (talk) 13:49, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete under A7 and tagged as such. A group of people without any claim of significance or importance. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 14:00, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Consensus is to keep at the moment - merges should be discussed on he talkpage (non-admin closure) –Davey2010^Talk 23:27, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Christopher Severn

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He had a short and unremarkable acting career and clearly does not meet the notability criterias for Wikipedia biographies OscarL 14:15, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with articles on at least some of his siblings to a Severn family article. I would reccoemdn merging the article on his sister Venetia Severn for example.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:44, 20 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as notable for having the role of Mrs Miniver's younger son in the film, and being one of 8 film actor siblings, and having a number of other parts as a child film actorP0mbal (talk) 23:25, 30 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep subject to post-AfD discussion by interested editors as to a possible merger as suggested above. Multiple sources about Christopher and his siblings can be found in searches, such as [1][2][3]. --Arxiloxos (talk) 17:06, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to North_Rocks,_New_South_Wales#Commercial_area. – Juliancolton | ^Talk 00:58, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

North Rocks Shopping Centre

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fails WP:GNG. at 21000 square metres and one floor this is actually one of the smallest shopping centres in Sydney. And has no significant coverage LibStar (talk) 10:27, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per nominator. Fails WP:GNG. Ajf773 (talk) 10:33, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge Fails WP:GNG, but can be merged or redirected to North Rocks, New South Wales. BugMenn (talk) 18:50, 21 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep for now or merge - plans have been approved for the council to sell additional land to the Centre, and their plans to expand have been approved, incluing Sydney's first 24x7 supermarket. No construction details have been announced yet. (I have added these briefly to the article.) I would prefer to see a clearer picture of what will come of this before deciding. Otherwise, I would second the idea of merging it into North Rocks, New South Wales. --Gronk Oz (talk) 10:17, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

every suburban shopping centre has plans for upgrades. Having the first 24 7 supermarket is hardly a claim of notability. LibStar (talk) 10:24, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That may be so, but not all of those plans are approved, nor the council's commitment to sell them the extra land. So they're more than just wishful thinking, which might describe many of those other "plans".--Gronk Oz (talk) 06:30, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

you'll find in australia most plans for expansion of shopping centres are approved. LibStar (talk) 10:03, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and Redirect as the cknsensus here is clear it's not independently notable and there exists no actual substance, hence there's nothing to actually merge or keep hence delete. This all is sufficient for deletion, regardless

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Upon consideration, Redirect to North Rocks, New South Wales § Commercial area, which already has some information about this shopping center. No prejudice against a merge/selective merge. Also, the title is a valid search term. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:27, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:24, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Yume Miyamoto

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ANN role analysis:

1) Monami Suzuki [elementary school] (Capeta - main; though the subject was replaced by Mika Kikuchi as her character grew up)

2) Megumi Amatsuka (GJ Club - main)

Only one main role, and for a production that isn't necessarily all that notable. Subject only voiced for Monami for a couple of episodes before the time skip in Capeta. There are also no relevant results found in Google search, nor are there any secondary sources to help assert the subject's notability. Hence I deem the subject as non-notable. Sk8erPrince (talk) 06:14, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:TOOSOON. GJ Club and Capeta are major roles, but there isn't enough to indicate she is carrying the series. Stub article on JA Wikipedia. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:08, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. This has been re-listed twice and there is general consensus amongst participants to keep this article. I don't believe a third re-list would help so I'm closing this as keep. (non-admin closure) st170e^talk 01:27, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Lucy Evans

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non notable actress, Finding everyone named "Lucy Evans" but cannot find anything on this BLP, Fails GNG –Davey2010^Talk 03:52, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Anyone who's a principal in 48 episodes of the iconic Coronation Street as well as multiple guest-starring roles on other notable series like The Gil Mayo Mysteries and Casualty (TV series), plus on of the stars of Microsoap and Rocket Man most certainly is notable and passes WP:NACTOR. --Oakshade (talk) 20:27, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't mentioned NACTOR because I know she passes it however that's not the problem ... The problem is the lack of sources, I'm not going to argue for another week however I will say this - We don't (or shouldn't) ignore GNG just because they meet NACTOR, There is no notability here source-wise and unless you can find something beyond the trivial mentions then this should be deleted accordingly (or redirected to List_of_Coronation_Street_characters_(2007)#Lauren_Wilson which is my prefferred option. Thanks. –Davey2010^Talk 13:59, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Passes WP:NACTOR AlessandroTiandelli333 (talk) 18:22, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As I said above we shouldn't ignore GNG or even BASIC just because they meet NACTOR, Ofcourse if you can provide sources I'd be happy to Keep but as it stands simply saying "Passes NACTOR" isn't enough. –Davey2010^Talk 19:12, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - As the nominator himself acknowledges, this passes the NACTOR Special Notability Guideline. There is no need for any further GNG investigation here, this is why we have Special Notability Guidelines. Carrite (talk) 16:17, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BASIC states "People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published[4] secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other,[5] and independent of the subject.[6]" - There is no significant coverage here - sure you could presume there is but that's just guess work, There needs to be sources to confirm what she's been in (IMDB confirms it but we cannot use it), I've witnessed it more than once were vandals will films/programmes the BLP hasn't even been in so what I'm saying is without sources to back this article up anyone could just vandalise it and you'd never know, Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 18:04, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Our first concern is WP:V, but the general opinion here is that we meet that. On the other hand, there's reasonable agreement that we don't meet WP:N. During the AfD, there was massive cleanup to the article, to the point that what's left isn't much more than a stub. A good evaluation of this is hindered by the difficulty of finding English-language sources. So, I'm going to call this delete, but with no prejudice against somebody writing a new version, with better sourcing. -- RoySmith (talk) 11:17, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Curt Wahl

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Completely non notable, this looks to be made up. A search for him turns up with absolutely nothing. An article about this guy turned up at dewiki, at around the same time. ThePlatypusofDoom (talk) 02:43, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

1st : Notability Guidelines :

Authors, editors, journalists, filmmakers, photographers, artists, architects, and other creative professionals: The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors. The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory, or technique. The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series) or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews. The person's work (or works) either (a) has become a significant monument, (b) has been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) has won significant critical attention, or (d) is represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums.

2nd : he is to be found allready in the German WIkipedia

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curt_Wahl (with references to his Position) and weblinks

3rd : sources to his appointment and Positions at Landestheater Coburg (State Theatre of Coburg) :

External Sources (Bavarian Bbliography / Bayerische Bibliographie):

Deutsches Bühnen-Jahrbuch, Bd. 77, Druck und Kommissionsverlag F.A. Günther & Sohn, 1968. S. 250. Curt Wahl zum 65. Geburtstag. Neue Presse, 16. Dezember 1968, S. 8. (Coburg Newspaper) Hans Hinterleitner: Br. Carl Wahl i. D. e. O. In: Die Bruderschaft, Nr. 11/1972. (Regarding Freemasonery) Mykenae Theater-Korrespondenz, Band 18,Ausgaben 1-15, Mykenae-Verlag J. Bauer KG, 1967 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Altre83 (talk • contribs) 03:03, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Before inciting a ugly Edit -War, one should look at the Country Based References (here in Germany and German) and maybe also consult Google Books (Digitalisates)...and one will get insight. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Altre83 (talk • contribs) 02:56, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.bayerische-bibliographie.de/cgi-bin/avanti/byb/detailsuche.pl?db=bybopac&searchmode=normal&max_dspl=200&index_zeilen=15&printapr=DEFAULT&register1=PER&suchwert1=Wahl%2C%20Curt&trunkiert1= — Preceding unsigned comment added by Altre83 (talk • contribs) 02:52, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I have searched in German, and I still don't see enough. I could be wrong, though, I don't speak German very well. ThePlatypusofDoom (talk) 17:39, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

See the Links , Publications and also the Newspaper Articles of that particular Time. It fulfills fully the Notability Criteria alone because of the numerous Public appearances on the Theatre Stage and as Director of Plays. Moreover 31 years Head (Administrative Director and Vice Theatre Director, with full managerial Authority and Financial Authority) of a State Theatre in Germany (Governmental Position, Free State of Bavaria) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.174.2.47 (talk) 21:02, 20 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. This is a whole-scale mess of poor formatting, trivia, and over-linking. It needs a lot of work if it is to be kept. Bearian (talk) 20:25, 21 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete. This looks messy. Not sure if this is a hoax, the subject name does appear in [4], but I don't see anything in the Google Books. If this is not a hoax, I have a feeling this is a biography written by family member, using poor sources, so WP:OR. Unless a German-speaker can find us some sources, I think this is such a mess that it merits WP:TNT. Also, the author of this is advised to read guides on, well, writing. We have some, see Wikipedia:Writing better articles. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:23, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
CommentDoes not seem a hoax as it survived the deWiki version of AFD (de:Wikipedia:Löschkandidaten/28._Oktober_2016#Curt_Wahl_.28LAE.29) Problem is this being pre-internet it will be difficult to assess. If it where 50 years older I would go a blind keep on this, but the position/ancestry did not count as much in the post war time. Google Book search does produce references, but I thinks those are trivial mentions due to his position. Getting a look at his publications might help to assess if he qualifies as an author. Agathoclea (talk) 14:16, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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comment Doesn't appear to be a hoax. Google turns up just enough to show he existed, not enough to show notability. --Andreas Philopater (talk) 23:15, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I trust the deWP notability standards for people in its language area. They are generally more restrictive than the enWP, The references in that article are sufficient to show notability DGG ( talk ) 19:41, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete References, to the extent they are significant, seem to be to relatively WP:ROUTINE coverage of a administrator of a regional theater. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 23:21, 15 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Krishna Levy

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straight forward failing of WP:music and WP:GNG? additionally almost completely devoid of information and has no references other than one french interview in a perhaps non-notable publication linked indirectly in the article. Rayman60 (talk) 01:51, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Not a great deal of coverage even in French (from what I can find) but I see from IMDb and the Fr. wiki article he did win a fr:Étoiles d'or du cinéma français award, which could be considered a major national award. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:28, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep - A César Award nominated and Étoiles d'or du cinéma français winner who was the composer on films like 8 Women, Whatever Lola Wants, Contre-enquête and The Fall. Per WP:CREATIVE, it does seem his work "has won significant critical attention." --Oakshade (talk) 02:07, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 13:43, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Chalkface

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Apparently a well-known British neologism, but I don't think it can get much farther than WP:DICDEF. Mr. Guye (talk) 01:18, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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~~(Weak?)~~ Delete. The article is, on it's face, a dictionary definition, as it offers three definitions of a single word. I don't believe that "working at the chalkface" to mean "working in education" rises to any level of notability, so keeping that would constitute an unnecessary fork from, e.g. Teacher. My only question – and thus the tentative weakness of my !vote – is whether the literal "cliff or quarry exposing chalk" idea is notable and not already covered elsewhere. Cnilep (talk) 23:33, 24 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Per MB, the literal sense is treated at Cliff. I'm therefore striking 'weak' from my earlier !vote. Cnilep (talk) 02:17, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Undecided The geologic use should Redirect to Cliff, as does Rockface. Cliff already says that the rock exposure can be made of many kinds of rock, including chalk. And it has a photo of the chalk cliffs of Dover. As far as the British usage for school, I had never heard that before and from a world view, it would be useful to have a good explanation. Not sure if there is enough sourceable info to support it though. Googling does reveal it is a very common term. MB 04:12, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete In theory, the current article would be redirect to Chalkface (TV series) which would include the definition in the current article. That is currently a redlink, however, for good reason: Searching fails to find much more than simple listings that the one-season series existed. I would have thought that there would be significant coverage for a BBC series, but apparently not, and therefore not notable. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:34, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to List of Autobots. (non-admin closure) SST flyer 14:56, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Signal Flare (Transformers)

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Minor fictional element from the Transformers universe. No evidence of any real-world notability. Josh Milburn (talk) 01:31, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Notability is not established. TTN (talk) 23:45, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Autobots. Argento Surfer (talk) 13:43, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Autobots, per the above comments. Aoba47 (talk) 16:07, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. General consensus seems to be to keep the article as is, another re-list wouldn't benefit the article in my opinion. Closing this as keep. (non-admin closure) st170e^talk 01:34, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

List of inns in Bucharest

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Fails WP:NOTTRAVEL and WP:LISTN. Nothing notable about this stand alone list other than a potential travel guide. Ajf773 (talk) 04:23, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - the nominator appears to miss the point, which is that these inns are all quite historic, some dating to the 17th century. Now, whether Category:Inns in Bucharest is sufficient to the purpose of recording these entities is an open question (although I would weigh in on the side of the list, at least until the red links are filled), but it is not primarily for travel-guide purposes, especially as some of these have long since disappeared. - Biruitorul ^Talk 07:01, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Easily passes WP:LISTN, for example see Potra's The Bucharest Inns (1943). Andrew D. (talk) 12:16, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep - Looks to be a viable list. No objection to removing the redlinks until they have articles, but inclusion criteria can be developed on the talk page. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 15:22, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I thought Wiki loved monuments? --Andreas Philopater (talk) 23:00, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment from nominator. Is there any objection to redirecting to List of buildings in Bucharest?. Ajf773 (talk) 23:08, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not on my part, but I'd guess that's really a question for the talkpage, not for the AfD discussion. --Andreas Philopater (talk) 19:42, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) –Davey2010 ^{Merry Xmas / Happy New Year} 00:48, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

List of Algerian international footballers born outside Algeria

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Please refer to the following policies:

WP:LISTCRUFT - #1, #2, #3, #7, #12 (and probably a couple of the others too)

WP:GNG - If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone list

WP:LISTN - One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; notable list topics are appropriate for a stand-alone list.

I am fully aware that similar lists exist for Australia, England, Wales etc. but these do appear to have just enough to pass GNG, at least according to previous AfDs. Spiderone 12:57, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. Giant Snowman 16:43, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, as it is a notable subject. There are many articles written about Algeria players born outside Algeria, particularly those born in France. A clear majority of the Algeria squad for the 2014 World Cup were born in France. [5], [6], [7], [8]. [9]. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 10:25, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The only possible reason for treating this differently from the other articles listed by the nominator is that this one is not about an Anglophone national team. This is an encyclopedia written in English about the whole world, not just the Anglophone world. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 21:56, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Innovation (signal processing). I see no benefit from re-listing the article as the consensus is clear for a redirect (including from the nominator). (non-admin closure) st170e^talk 01:22, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Innovations vector

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It does not add anything to Innovation (signal processing). Marcocapelle (talk) 12:37, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In that case, shouldn't it become a redirect, rather than being deleted outright? This is not my field, but from a cursory search, the term "innovations vector" seems frequently used as-is. — Gamall Wednesday Ida (t · c) 14:16, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Probably yes. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:32, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Innovation (signal processing). This is just the name for the multivariate version of a scalar innovation measure and a WP:BEFORE search reveals that this term is used in papers and monographs in the time series and signal processing literature. Hence it is a plausible search term and a reasonable candidate for a redirect. --Mark viking (talk) 22:14, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:08, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Impression (Dragonriders of Pern)

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Fancruft. KATMAKROFAN (talk) 19:46, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete An in-universe description of some kind of ritual. Thats clearly fan-wikia stuff. To do my due diligence I tried to find some RS which talk about this but unsurprisingly I found nothing, just some mentions on fanpages and similar outlets. It is just some minor stuff from the books and WP:FANCRUFT fits it pretty good. It should therefore be deleted. Dead Mary (talk) 16:47, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Pure fancruft, as mentioned above. The editor can probably find pages on the Pern wikia that could use their expertise. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 22:36, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy deletion (G5). (non-admin closure) st170e^talk 17:13, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

End-to-end testing

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Since only one book is listed, and nothing is said about notability, the real purpose of this article appears to be to publicize the book. A redirect to system testing would be in order with this information included there. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:47, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to system testing: It would've been a plausible search term; or should I say "speedy redirect" to fasten it up. KGirlTrucker81^{huh? what I'm been doing} 03:22, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect per nom and KGT. Widely used term in the field, which should go somewhere. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 14:14, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep The nomination does not propose to delete anything. Andrew D. (talk) 14:32, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Andrew Davidson: While this is misfiled and should probably have been in Articles for redirect, we can decide to redirect. Since you don't have any objections to redirecting, (only deletion) please consider clarifying your position on the redirect. 208.81.212.224 (talk) 19:39, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I consider the proposal to be absurd. The topic is clearly notable -- see the NASA System Engineering Handbook, for example. What we should be doing is improving the topic, not trying to sweep it under the carpet. Andrew D. (talk) 20:37, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep on the basis that terminology is inconsistent or "fuzzy" in this field^[1] and "end-to-end testing" is sometimes, though not always, distinguished from "system testing", as indeed in this article although none too clearly. End-to-end testing is "usually similar to system testing, but [undertaken]... to test a user's complete interaction with the system"^[1] or it's done "for multiple interrelated systems ... to verify that all interrelated systems ... are tested in an operational environment.".^[2] Another source talks about "... a full range of unit, integration, system, stress testing, and end-to-end testing...".^[3](my emphasis) A better article could be made on this topic: Noyster (talk), 12:52, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ ^a ^b Lydia Ash (16 May 2003). The Web Testing Companion: The Insider's Guide to Efficient and Effective Tests. Wiley. p. 37-38. ISBN 978-0-471-43021-6.
^ Information Technology: Census Bureau needs to Improve Its Risk Management of Decennial Systems. DIANE Publishing. p. 13. ISBN 978-1-4223-9876-0.
^ Aviation security Secure Flight development and testing under way, but risks should be managed as system is further developed : report to congressional committees. DIANE Publishing. p. 64. ISBN 978-1-4289-3060-5.

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Redirect and salvage what content is possible to salvage. It's not a common term (as is noted by Noyster) and a section in system testing would suffice to indicate what the differences are, and the redirect would be enough for the one or two links that may exist or be created. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:29, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:08, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Devid Debbarma

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Contested prod. The concern was: Not satisfying the applicable notability WP:POLITICIAN as it's only a local students group, not a national, statewide or otherwise major position, and nothing satisfies independent notability and substance; the sources themselves are either only mentions or quotes, that's not the substance needed for an actually convincing article. Another is that there's no inherited notability from anything or anyone else and this is policy itself, thus not negotiable. Although the article for Twipra Students Federation exists, he's only the "chief organizing secretary" and, again this is for a local group, not a major one, thus this position is not inherited any automatic notability. John of Reading (talk) 11:15, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Attribution note: This PROD text was the work of SwisterTwister (talk · contribs) -- John of Reading (talk) 07:08, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I am not finding much about him beyond the two Times of India articles, and definitely not a substantive piece.--CaroleHenson (talk) 06:23, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as I still confirm my PROD as the listed article is still not satisfactory for notability. SwisterTwister talk 07:11, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete non-notable political operative.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:31, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:08, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dirk Freymuth

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He took part in some musical events. The search shows some sources about those fests, where he is mentioned along with other musicians. The three sources given in the article are mostly primary sources. Fails WP:MUSICBIO. Marvellous Spider-Man 10:21, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete not yet notable per WP:MUSICBIO, and no significant coverage online from WP:RS, just passing mentions. Wikishovel (talk) 17:42, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete He appears, like tens of thousands of musicians and music educators, to be a competent person with interesting and varied skills. I can't find anything to suggest that he is notable by our standards. Note: I've removed all the original body content of the page as a blatant copyright violation, and also removed the self-published sources. I've added a snippet about the score of a mass by Obrecht. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:35, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. There's consensus that we should not have this as a dab page, and that we should have some way of guiding readers to the WP:Unblock page. There's not yet clear consensus on how to do that, though. Sandstein 11:42, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Unblock

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Contested PROD. This is a dab page listing no articles that are actually titled "Unblock", and this should thus be deleted Ppp ery 01:26, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Concur with nom, does not need disambiguating. There are apparently no articles with this title. MB 02:02, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Block (Internet) as a word form. If there are other terms that "unblock" can refer to at the Block DAB page, it should go there instead. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 04:30, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Retain some route to WP:Appealing a block, the target of WP:UNBLOCK, as the page history shows that this is needed. Patar knight's suggestion would work well, as redirect hatnote could be added there, "Unblock redirects here, for... see...". – Fayenatic London 09:34, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine with Patar knight's redirect suggestion too, but I can't withdraw as there has been a delete !vote by MB Ppp ery 14:46, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree with a Redirect to Block (Internet). All sorts of things are blocked and unblocked and I don't think Internet blocking is a more likely target of what a user might be looking for than others. If you search WP for use of unblock, you find unblocking of:

3G mobile phones
bridge (card game) move
telephone caller identification
storage containers
mined harbors
ethernet Automatic Protection Switching
drain pipes
subscription channels
human arteries

It's really just a word with a common definition. I don't think there is any reason for a broad concept article and WP is not a dictionary. That said, WP:UNBLOCK may be the most likely subject a user is looking for. What about a Redirect there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MB (talk • contribs) 19:49, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I oppose the redirect to Wikipedia:Appealing a block as a cross-namespace redirect for a common term. How about Soft redirect to wikitionary and add a hatnote. Ppp ery 21:23, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That idea sounds good to me conceptually, but I'm not sure what the result would be. You mean body-less page that is essentially just a hatnote (and no longer be considered a disambiguation page)?

On Wikipedia, Unblock refers to Wikipedia:Appealing a block. For other uses, see Wiktionary:Block or Unblock.

I've never seen anything like that but I think it solves the problem. MB 23:31, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@MB: Here's what the I'm supposing the page would look like:

Wikipedia does not have an article on "Log/2016 December 3", but its sister project Wiktionary does:

Read the Wiktionary entry "unblock"

You can also:

Search for Log/2016 December 3 in Wikipedia to check for alternative titles or spellings.

Start the Log/2016 December 3 article, using the Article Wizard if you wish, or add a request for it; but please remember that Wikipedia is not a dictionary.

(except that the search and edit links would have the right targets) Ppp ery 02:00, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Soft redirect to Wikipedia:Appealing a block. I agree with the nominator that this is not a dab page. If Fayenatic london is right, then I think this is a case where a cross-namespace redirect would be appropriate. I only regret that it will allow link-happy editors to have a blue link on a WP:DICDEF. — Gorthian (talk) 00:18, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Gorthian: Why a soft rather than a hard redirect? (I still oppose the XNR either way) Pppery 02:01, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Pppery: I was thinking that it would give the searcher a chance to decide if they were on the right path or not. — Gorthian (talk) 18:32, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete whatever the user is looking for, they will find it in the search results. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 23:48, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 03:03, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Parnia Porsche

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Db-repost was declined since article was different from previously deleted but the issues discussed in the first AfD have not been resolved. Minor additional fight aside the subject does not come any closer to meeting WP:NBOX. Peter Rehse (talk) 09:51, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I agree that she fails notability as a boxer, but she has notability as model. If the article doesn't give importance to her modelling career, the article should be deleted. Non-notable boxer, notable model. 1, 2, 3, 4. --Marvellous Spider-Man 13:57, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Also the previous nomination had votes by sockpuppets and meatpuppets. Marvellous Spider-Man 13:59, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Three out of four of those sources are related to single incident where she was thrown out of the Candy Shop mansion. It was news because of the mansion, not so much her. Still is an unnotable boxer as well.

PS last AFD only had one sockpuppet. Mdtemp was wrongfully blocked and Papaursa has done nothing. Just thought I would add that.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 16:12, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I didn't vote at the previous discussion, but I don't see anything new that increases her notability as a model and no one is arguing she's a notable boxer. Papaursa (talk) 19:19, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:20, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Erik Petrosyan

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The football player never played in a fully professional league, hence fails WP:NFOOTBALL. Ymblanter (talk) 09:03, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Armenian premier league does not appear to be fully professional Seasider91 (talk) 16:29, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - he has not played in a fully pro league or received significant coverage, meaning the article fails WP:NSPORT and WP:GNG. Sir Sputnik (talk) 20:43, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 10:56, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Fails NFOOTY as has not played senior international football nor played in a fully professional league. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy GNG. Fenix down (talk) 09:38, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete non-notable footballer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:34, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:09, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Vinitaa Hemant Apte

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Non-notable actress lacking non-trivial support. reddogsix (talk) 08:56, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete : Non notable person. Fails WP:GNG. Is an actress who has not acted in anything. Jupitus Smart 17:26, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per several source searches, does not meet WP:BASIC to qualify for a Wikipedia article at this time, and finding no evidence of WP:NACTOR being met. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:05, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:09, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bhairavi Goswami

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The whole article is written like a advert.She has done minor role in some low budget movies, Fails WP:ENT. Razer^{Text me} 19:23, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP - Person passes notability and has sufficient coverage in media. most claims in the article are referenced and sourced -- Adamstraw99 (talk) 13:37, 20 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep appears to pass WP:NACTOR Seasider91 (talk) 16:33, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The Times of India calling her "the Paris Hilton of India" indicates a level of notoriety suggestive of notability. --Andreas Philopater (talk) 23:11, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to List of Autobots. (non-admin closure) –Davey2010 ^{Merry Xmas / Happy New Year} 00:47, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Blades (Transformers)

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Minor element from the Transformers universe. No evidence of real-world notability. Josh Milburn (talk) 01:35, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - If notability cannot be establish, there is no need for an article. TTN (talk) 23:46, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or merge to Protectobots. BOZ (talk) 05:51, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Autobots - character belongs to too many subgroups to redirect to Protectobots. Argento Surfer (talk) 13:42, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Autobots, per Argento Surfer. Like they said, as the character has appeared in multiple incarnations, that list would be a more appropriate place to redirect to. 64.183.45.226 (talk) 20:12, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. – Juliancolton | ^Talk 01:07, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Help and Support Center

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This one-line permanent stub suffers from lack of notability and lack of contents. It is run-of-the-mill, not something that stands out and becomes notable. Codename Lisa (talk) 06:04, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep there seems to be some room for improvements [10], [11]. Usually we don't delete articles just because they are short. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 06:38, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTMANUAL. And we do delete articles because they are not notable. Codename Lisa (talk) 07:08, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTMANUAL is irrelevant. It says that Wikipedia articles are not in themselves instruction manuals, not that they can't be about instruction manuals. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 10:21, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 10:39, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

And incorrect too. Manuals only contain manual-like instructions. You can cite a manual only when you want to write a manual. Otherwise, the only thing you get out of a manual for Wikipedia is passing mentions. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 10:47, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Even if there is a restriction on citing a manual it still doesn't mean that we can't have an article about a manual based on non-manual sources, such as the ones found by Vejvančický's searches. That's really not a difficult concept to grasp, so please try do do so rather than continue to argue about an utterly irrelevant policy. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 12:15, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Blah, blah, blah. Hypothetical nonsense nobody cares about. The truth is, the article has stayed a worthless one liner because it cannot possibly become anything else. Vejvančický didn't find source; he has found a lot of search engine hits and is doing a WP:LOTSOFSOURCES argument. Lots of trivial mentions don't make the article notable. If there was really something usable in those source, you two wouldn't have wasted time improving it. Codename Lisa (talk) 10:48, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If I say "Blah, blah, blah, blah" does that trump your "Blah, blah, blah"? Let's discuss this like adults rather than get into playground name calling. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 21:46, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

For once I actually agree with CL on this, I mean what more can you say about a Help and Support center? If 86.17.222.157 has some ideas, let's see a list of them. Why don't you take the time, 86.17.222.157, to make this page longer? WikIan -(talk) 22:36, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The searches linked above by Vejvančický find loads of coverage in independent reliable sources, showing clear notability. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 10:25, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Please see my list about the sources below. WikIan -(talk) 23:11, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per WP:NOTGUIDE. Recently added sources continue to provide no evidence of notability on this subject. Ajf773 (talk) 04:15, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The external links in the article show significant coverage in sources from John Wiley & Sons, Peachpit Press, and Cengage Learning. How do they provide no evidence of notability? 86.17.222.157 (talk) 22:32, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I don't see how WP:NOTGUIDE applies here for it is not written like a guidebook or manual. Per WP:BEFORE the nominator did not check for reliable sources, even a quick Google book search reveals many. Simply because of lack of sources currently in the article is not a reason to judge notability of a subject. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 22:43, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Champion: I did check. All I find is passing mentions. This, this, this and this are not evidence of notability.

My nomination does not even have a reference to WP:NOTGUIDE but it does apply because 86.17.222.157 proposed improving the article with guide-like contents. Codename Lisa (talk) 05:40, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I said nothing of the sort. And none of the random web sources that you linked was found by the book searches that Champion and Vejvančický linked, so it still seems that you did not check those sources. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 13:52, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"And none of the random web sources that you linked was found by the book searches that Champion and Vejvančický linked". Wrong. Codename Lisa (talk) 12:18, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This obtuseness is getting extremely tiresome. Just look at the sources that you linked above and tell us which of them is a book that can be found via this or this search? Multiple editors are showing you where sources can be found but you persist in refusing to look there. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 12:28, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I clicked on the Vejvančický's first link and picked the first four search results. Codename Lisa (talk) 13:56, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

And my comment, which you falsely claimed to be wrong, was clearly about Vejvančický's and Champion's book searches. It's very difficult to conduct a civil discussion when you don't take any notice of what anyone else says and wrongly accuse people of lying. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 14:45, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete It may be notable, but it would best be put here. This article was created in 2009 and has not been updated very much since then. If placed with a larger article, it may be updated more frequently. Additionally, I believe this feature was removed in Windows 10? It was augmented with the Help+Tips app in 8.1, and I can't find it anymore in 10. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. WikIan -(talk) 15:44, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That would be a very bad idea. If this was simply incorporated into the list article (where, of course, it should be listed) any expansion would be rightly resisted as undue emphasis. I haven't used any version of Windows later than Windows 7, but whether this feature exists in later versions would only be relevent if this article was intended as a guide for users of current versions of Windows, which it is not. Notability does not expire, and we keep articles about notable topics. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 21:19, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Right, notability doesn't expire, but I'm positive it doesn't have notability in the first place. At least to justify it's own article.

The cited web sources only talk about a single bug! Is that what you want an article to state? A single bug? That doesn't justify an article, that is for a news article. There simply isn't enough to explain what it does or what to do with it.
The book sources include exactly one page on how to access it and how to use it (which we cannot put in the article do to WP:NOTMANUAL
One of the sources points out the anatomy of the help center, which isn't good article content
The Other source has a HALF a page on how to start the center, which isn't article content either. WikIan -(talk) 23:10, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

So I take it that you've looked at the 96 book sources linked by Vejvančický and the 6,650 linked by Champion? Or has Codename Lisa's role as the editor who refuses to engage with what other editors are saying in this discussion been passed on to you? 86.17.222.157 (talk) 23:26, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Even if I did look at all "96 book sources", I'm pretty sure they would all say the same things that the first few sources do. How and when to use the Help and Support Center, nothing more. Furthermore, I doubt anyone else has access to all of these books and am willing to even say that no one will buy these books for the sole purpose of adding any feasible amount of information (which I'm sure doesn't exist) to this article. If you could come up with a list of items YOU would add to the article, I would be happy to read it. WikIan -(talk) 19:16, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 19:31, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

A quote "If there is no usable content, however, it may well be best to delete." You have not demonstrated what content is usable. WikIan -(talk) 21:41, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What content in the article is not usable? We don't delete or merge articles simply for being short. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 22:12, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Aha! That's what I am talking about: Ignoring parts of policies, guidelines and essays that aren't in your favor! Yes, we do merge pages because they are short. FleetCommand (Speak your mind!) 07:58, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Actually in my list above, 86.17.222.157, I DID demonstrate how your provided sources can not be used. YOU have yet to list how there IS notable information that can be used. WikIan -(talk) 19:53, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or merge as not notable, per Wikipedia:Search engine test § Notability and WP:IMPACT. And let's not forget WP:SIZERULE that must be observed even in the event this article is kept. (A "Keep" or "no consensus" verdict in AfD does not make articles exempt to existing policies.) FleetCommand (Speak your mind!) 09:37, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

From Wikipedia:Search engine test § Notability, "On the other hand, examining the types of hit arising (or their lack) often does provide useful information related to notability." Most of the hits from the book searches linked above are books published by reliable publishers, not the kind if noise that you get from a web search. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 16:56, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Do I even need to mention it is not enough? I feel you are refusing to get the point. FleetCommand (Speak your mind!) 08:16, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am not refusing to get the point, but simply refuting the arguments that have been given for deletion. Nobody calling for deletion here has given any explanation of how the very many books from reliable publishers with coverage of this topic do not constitute a pass of the general notability guideline. I would also add that WP:SIZERULE is a suggestion, and far from being policy. We don't merge articles simply for having fewer than an arbitrary number of characters. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 19:31, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Refuting it for who? For me. I stick to my "Delete", thank you; you are clearly ignoring parts of policies, guidelines and essay that are not in your favor. That's all you have done so far, apart from attacking people and calling them a liar while at the same time preaching them about being an adult. FleetCommand (Speak your mind!) 07:58, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Minor aspect of the OS, possibly redirect to something related. If nobody has bothered to expand this article in all these years, this indicates of how little importance it is to anybody. We are not a technical documentation for operating systems. Sandstein 12:48, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The statement that "if nobody has bothered to expand this article in all these years, this indicates of how little importance it is to anybody" goes against the whole ethos of Wikipedia. What matters is whether the sources exist to write a policy-compliant article, not whether Wikipedia editors have chosen to grow it past some arbitrary size within some arbitrary deadline. Am I the only person here old enough to remember that this was proclaimed, and not only by Microsoft, as one of the most important features of Windows ME, but then pretty well universally ridiculed when people saw how useless it was? 86.17.222.157 (talk) 19:26, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The "further reading" section already demonstrates notability, and other types of sources are likely available, such as the one I just cited in the article. Mdrnpndr (talk) 15:49, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Notability is not inherited. WP:INHERIT. Just because a product is popular does not make its manual notable. What is there about the "who what when where why" of this manual that makes it interesting and notable? Are independent sources writing about its unique features? Was it the first online manual? No, I see nothing notable about this manual that is not really about the product it describes. RichardMathews (talk) 00:44, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @User:RichardMathews: Given your reasoning, I think the only way you could have made it clearer that you did not read any of the existing discussion on this page at all is if you had stated that outright. Mdrnpndr (talk) 02:43, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Due to the limited amount of discussion this got, even after two relists, I'm going to call this a WP:SOFTDELETE -- RoySmith (talk) 21:14, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

American Dental Board of Anesthesiology

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Does not appear to meet WP:GNG on its own. Anything useful to say about this could probably be said in the American Board of Dental Specialties article (if that article is notable enough for inclusion...). Sjrct (talk) 02:54, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - agree with nominator that it fails notability criteria at this point in time. Sagecandor (talk) 02:41, 22 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment There appears to be a slow-moving legal and policy debate about whether dental specialties outside the control of the American Dental Association are valid. See, for example, this Google new search "American+Dental+Board+of+Anesthesiology"&tbm=nws. Would merging this and the American Board of Dental Specialties articles into a new article on "Dental Specialties Controversy" or similar not be a better option? Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:23, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. – Juliancolton | ^Talk 01:02, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Eta Uso

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A blogger who graduated in 2014, clearly a very able student but there's nothing here to prove he's widely known, or had a chance to develop a successful career. Most of these citations are to pieces of writing by him, or to his alma mater's website. Time for it to go. Sionk (talk) 15:25, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I politely disagree that 'Eta Uso' is not widely known. However, referring to an individual as whether being widely known or not, can also be based on perspective. To this end, I will say that though he might not be a household name when using a wholistic context, he is however popular in his country - Nigeria and I think this will suffice as well. He is widely known within the non governmental community, mostly as a youth and democracy activist and the articles in question, though mostly written by him, they have however been published on very popular and famous websites due to his notability. I will also like to add that his Twitter page (https://twitter.com/royaltyuso) is also verified by Twitter and this action by Twitter further speaks, moreso boldly of his notability. Based on this, I politely request you reconsider your request for deletion as the individual in question is a notable individual Sandynigerian (talk) 16:02, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You'd need to find some proof of this. If he is popular or important then there should be some secondary, independent coverage about him. That is the essence of Wikipedia's WP:GNG. Apart from the Bangor University magazine, everything cited in the article is by him, not independent. Sionk (talk) 21:22, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your response. I have been able to come across an independent coverage. He is a popular activist and I was confident there will sure be proof to attest to this. Here is one of them Members of Civil Society Share Their Expectations For Edo State Governorship Elections. I will edit his page and attach this additional proof.

Sandynigerian (talk) 01:16, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That's not about him either, it's a short quote from him on a political website. Sionk (talk) 01:31, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Governorship elections, just like Presidential elections, are taken very seriously in Nigeria. And we will both agree that the coverage on Watching The Vote website focuses strictly on expectations from duly accredited Civil Societies by the Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC). INEC is the sole body of government which is in charge of elections in Nigeria. Now to make my point; 1. INEC will not give accreditation to random individuals or organizations to monitor or observe elections in Nigeria, except you have attained a certain degree of influence and status in the society as it relates to election causes. 2. #WatchingTheVote (the website that independently featured him) is guided by the Declaration of Global Principles for Nonpartisan Election Observation (DoGP) and Code of Conduct for Nonpartisan Election Observers and Monitors. This is a very high level non-partisan body and they also do not seek and publish expectations from random individuals but from influential individuals and organization who have the clout to shape or dictate narratives by their words and action. In addition, and like I pointed out earlier, his popularity is in an uncommon sector (civil society and non-government) and as such, assessing him in same notability context of politicians or music stars will not be a fair assessment.

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Delete - WP:GNG - Fails WP:GNG as there are insufficient neutral secundary sources about the subject. -- Taketa (talk) 05:27, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I respectfully disagree with User Taketa, as I have given significant evidence to the contrary above.. Sandynigerian (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:02, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In addition, the wiki has since been updated with additional references since this discussion began Sandynigerian (talk) 17:46, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Only 2 of the references are about the subject and they are both from a university paper. All other are written by the subject or the subject makes a comment. That is not sufficient by far. There need to be multiple text specifically about the subject by reliable noteworthy neutral secundaire sources. I see not a single one. -- Taketa (talk) 18:59, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, your concerns have already been addressed in detail in earlier discussions above. Sandynigerian (talk) 00:45, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have read your explanations and they are not a satisfactory reason to keep the article. The only way to change my opinion is by adding the sources I requested which you have not done so far. -- Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 03:20, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:20, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Stacy Lee

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I looked for additional sources on Lee and found nothing that approaches being a reliable, indepth 3rd party source. The one source her is as much about Lilith Fair as it is about Lee, if not more so. There is no indication that she meets any of the notability guidelines for musicians.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:27, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I agree with the nominator that Stacy Lee doesn't seem to have the notability as evidenced by outside source coverage. Joyous! | Talk 21:23, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - There is not enough currently to prove notability.--CaroleHenson (talk) 03:36, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and WP:NOT applies which is all we need. SwisterTwister talk 23:11, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. No consensus on a redirect Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:10, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Taylor Wiebers

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Wiebers one claim to near notability is that she was Miss Iowa, that is not enough to establish notability. She has acted in local stage productions in eastern Iowa, but those are just not on a level to establish notability. My search for sources seemed to come up with the level of sources in the article. The way the reference list is made is a total mess, but so are the sources. One Quad Cities source did not even mention Wiebers name at all, let alone mention the routine it was being used to source. About a third of the sources are PR releases about her winning pageants. The rest is either local coverage from the Clinton County paper or coverage that mentions her incidentally or coverage related to her being Miss Iowa, none of the last shows the widespread coverage we would want to show this title is a notable one. John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:56, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I don't see anything approaching WP:N. She's been fairly successful in the beauty pageant scene, but I believe that's true of thousands of other young women. Joyous! | Talk 21:14, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Miss Iowa, at least. SST flyer 03:15, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete -- I don't see a need for a redirect as the name is unlikely to be a valid search term. K.e.coffman (talk) 02:35, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:10, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Does not explain notability and is just a list of functions. Fails WP:CCS Domdeparis (talk) 16:51, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Software article of unclear notability, lacking independent references. A search turned up no significant WP:RS coverage. Article was created by an SPA as possibly promotional. Dialectric (talk) 16:44, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Almost-certain advertisement by a COI account. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:27, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 08:23, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jay Connor

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Does not meet WP:GNG the only GHIT news articles I could find came from his own IPTV station Domdeparis (talk) 17:00, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Found 3x RS articles - This ^[1] and, This here ^[2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simonp70 (talk • contribs)

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Delete - Subject lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. Meatsgains (talk) 17:21, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete non-notable businessperson.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:16, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

keep I have researched him further and found a handful of independent articles - Romford Recorder, Barking And Dagenham Post and Braintree and Witham Times, I live in South London and all these 3 are substantial local papers that I have heard off and to be fair Essex TV is quite a strong brand locally and Jay being the brains behind the operation makes sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.229.140.172 (talk) 01:23, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Having also lived in London, I haven't heard of these newspapers because they're local and concentrated in small areas of East London (and Essex in the case of the latter). Sources need to be reliable and there needs to be a great deal of them. st170e^talk 00:41, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete sources need to be independent of the subject and reliable. Clearly doesn't meet notability guidelines. st170e^talk 00:41, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I have not finding enough for WP:GNG--CaroleHenson (talk) 04:30, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Sandstein 13:26, 1 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Jon Hirschtick

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Simply nothing for actual independent notability and substance and it's enough to suggest paid advertising for this article, the company positions and achievements are not convincing as to automatically inherit him notability, the sources are not equally convincing either, thus this should not have been accepted at all. There is nothing that can suggest otherwise if we consider policies WP:SPAM and WP:NOT. SwisterTwister talk 17:30, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete non-notable businessman.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:18, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, I feel he's notable enough, because he is a leading innovator in CAD software development (he created two great CAD systems), he awarded the prestigious CAD Society Leadership Award (as Autodesk’s Carl Bass, Dassault Systèmes’ Bernard Charles, and 3D Systems's Ping Fu), and ASME Leadership Award, also it is written about him in books (1, 2, 3, and one more translated to Japanese 4) and big journals (like Fortune and Wall Street Journal), there are movies about him ([5], [6]), and there are many pages link to this one ([7]). I am going to add more information about his achievements to improve the article. Ilya.lichman (talk) 14:16, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Every single one of those sources are not inheriting automatic notability for an article from anything or anyone else, especially if they simply consist of actual interviews, company quotes, republished company or businesspeople information, or that it was by a hired freelance journalist instead of staff (this is a case specifically for Forbes, which is notorious for it); also, there's policies in place for articles such as these, WP:SPAM and WP:NOT. SwisterTwister talk 07:16, 30 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for this clarification, and thank you for your time! Am I right that books containing chapters about Hirschtick is a sign of his notability? For instance, in the books "Entrepreneurship: Successfully Launching New Ventures" and "The Portable MBA in Entrepreneurship Case Studies" there are chapters about him. Ilya.lichman (talk) 05:50, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – An article from Design & Motion (April 2015) refers to Jon Hirschtick as "CAD royalty", in the setting of a Develop3D LIVE conference where he co-presented with Carl Bass of Autodesk, who has a Wikipedia entry. See: https://designandmotion.net/news/jon-hirschtick-loses-onshape-to-carl-bass/ Skydog10291971 (talk) 17:39, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Being "royalty" is by all means vague and is not an instant inheritable for notability here, especially when policy is involved. This comment above has no policy-based comment, unlike WP:NOT which is. SwisterTwister talk 04:24, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment There is an article about Hirschtick in the Wall Street Journal - In Cards or Business, Act on the Advantage. In the article Hirsctick said, how he learned about card counting while a student at MIT, and also he described the business lessons he drew from his time playing cards. May be blackjack is not serious enough topic, but it seems that an article in Wall Street Journal about Jon Hirschtick is serious enough sign of his notability. Ilya.lichman (talk) 13:04, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep For the reasons other Keepers have noted. I am surprised it is even an issue. Bellagio99 (talk) 01:26, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

How is this a policy-based comment? See WP:PERX. SwisterTwister talk 04:24, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep the claim of notability is quite strong as creator of two CAD software breakthroughs, funded by the $1 million he made as part of the MIT blackjack team, all backed up by reliable and verifiable sources. Alansohn (talk) 03:46, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There's not automatic inherited notability from the fact he founded software, we could then accept any other article with the sole basis of "he founded multiple sofwares" but our policies explicit state against this, and with good meaning. Also, the fact he was funded by an MIT team is also not automatically inheriting him notability. Unlike anyone else, I would actually say we have paid advertising contributions here because of the fact of not one SPA, but two now by the fact a second user has now started, and we've established as it is this can only mean advertising-involved, certainly not "coincidentally active users with the same one article". Simply look at each source, it's about the software itself (Fortune: Funding support, WSJ: Mere mention, Forbes: By a "special contributing journalist" (which basically means he was a freelance journalist, a job that is easily bought by companies for PR). When an article then has to end with simple sourcing (see #15-28) as mentions, it shows the sheer attempts at coatracking and overbloating the article with anything to make it seem "genuinely substantial", when it's not, and policies explicitly state this. When we ignore policies against advertising, we have no hopes for an encyclopedia. SwisterTwister talk 04:24, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hirschtick didn't "inherit" anything from the software he created; he is notable because he created the software, as he is for his involvement in the MIT blackjack team. That one funded the creation of the other only adds to the claim. When we have single editors turning themselves into judge, jury and executioner, shouting and screaming increasingly bizarre and irrational conspiracy theories to claim that any and all sources are "advertising", regardless of the source, we have no hopes for an encyclopedia. Alansohn (talk) 04:37, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dear SwisterTwister, thank you for the explanation "but two now by the fact a second user has now started, and we've established as it is this can only mean advertising-involved, certainly not "coincidentally active users with the same one article""! Now I can understand better how it looks from you point of view. I hope it will be pertinently if I try to explain. I am a programmer in CAD/CAM company, and also I am a lecturer in a university ("Introduction to CAD/CAM/CAE" for students of 5th grade). Half of a year ago I found that there are no any articles in Wikipedia about new system Onshape and about Jon Hirschtick who created Solidworks and Onshape. I was very surprised, so I decided to create both these articles. One month ago I found that the first article was created, and that it was temporary in the list of Articles for deletion. So I started creation of the second one article via Articles for creation (to avoid mistakes of beginners). It was accepted, and two hours later you put it into the list of Articles for deletion. I absolutely agree with you that my text is not perfect, that sources must be improved. And now I can see why do you think that my article looks like a spam. But on my talk page you can see that I asked the author of the Onshape article to share his expirience about all these deletion things. And it seems that only after it he decided to rewrite part of my text. I hate spam too. But I am interesed in CAD/CAM/CAE/PLM, so I am trying to improve Wikipedia in these areas. Ilya.lichman (talk) 12:32, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:10, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Rupa Subramanya

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Insignificant Living Person. Seems to be a self advertisement Ankiz.here (talk) 17:48, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Seconded, insignificant. SomeRandomUserGuy (talk) 18:33, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't as yet have any opinion about whether this should be kept or deleted, but would point out that the word "insignificant" shouldn't be used, as it was by the nominator and the seconder, to describe any living person. Let's treat people with a bit of dignity, per WP:BLP. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 21:44, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Typical problem with journalists: articles by them, not about them. Same seems to be the case here, fails WP:GNG and WP:JOURNALIST. WP:REFBOMBing didn't help, they just establish that subject has received some passing/trivial mentions and those are in no way sufficient to write an encyclopedia article. Anup [Talk] 00:43, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:GNG...Rameshnta909 (talk) 20:04, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Drmies (talk) 04:50, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ashish Bisht

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Fails WP:BIO. Not notable. Extra attention needed as at the last nomination it was stated that the article was written by a banned sockpuppet (as the last case of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Sadman Sakibzz was in December 2015, I do not think that an SPI will be of any use here) The Banner talk 19:18, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I can't tell if the films may be notable, since we lack articles (at first I though we had them, but it proved false-positive links to other articles.) However neither film has even released so at best this is too soon.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:27, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Hello. The film has been proposed to release in 2 months . Here is the official facebook page of the movie. https://www.facebook.com/ShabTheFilm/. Also the actor has good fan following on social media like instagram and facebook. So people are searching about him on the internet. So I believe this Wikipedia page will help them getting concise information.Aditya n06 (talk) 17:20, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Facebook is, as user-generated site, not considered to be a reliable source. Please see: WP:RS. The Banner talk 08:09, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment This is the website of the production house. It has details about the movie and the actor .

http://www.anticlockfilms.com/films/shab Aditya n06 (talk) 18:56, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

- Not an independent source. Sorry. The Banner talk 20:17, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. According to WP:GNG and WP:BIO...Rameshnta909 (talk) 20:07, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment There are numerous articles on the newspaper and websites about this. here are some the independent sources .

http://www.filmibeat.com/bollywood/movies/shab-raveena-tandon.html http://movies.ndtv.com/bollywood/raveena-tandon-will-surprise-everybody-with-shab-says-onir-1261312 http://www.hindustantimes.com/bollywood/brussels-blast-delays-onir-s-next/story-RLGZNkPtxn1aYfhcY3JX6H.html http://www.indiawest.com/entertainment/bollywood/raveena-tandon-i-was-onir-s-first-choice-for-shab/article_61cf2fb4-a357-11e4-b20a-97b0b698cc88.html

The director of the film won many national and international awards for his films. You can check his personal wiki page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onir Aditya n06 (talk) 04:53, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that other actors, the director or somebody else is already notable, makes this debuting actor NOT notable. Notability is not inherited, so he has to gain notability on his own through his own merits. Backed up with sources about Ashish Bisht, not about the movie or the leading actress. The Banner talk 10: 16, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Comment Agreed that notability cannot be inherited. Please have a look into the following links. It is about the lead debut actor where leading news website like times of India and Bollywood website Bollywoodlife write about him and also a wallpaper website having his wallpapers. I feel this makes him notable. The followings are for your kind consideration.

http://www.bollywoodlife.com/news/wendell-rodricks-to-style-for-ashish-bisht-in-onirs-shab/ http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/events/delhi/Onir-Ashish-Bisht-at-Wills-India-Fashion-Week-in-Delhi/articleshow/44826265.cms http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/Onir-director-Onir-LGBT-Onir-movie-shab-Delhi-based-model-to-play-lead-in-Onirs-next/articleshow/34741483.cms http://www.boxofficemovies.in/now/bollywood-movies-posters/ashish-bisht-from-onirs-next-film-shab/ http://www.btownleaks.com/ashish-bisht-make-acting-debut-shab/ http://www.songsuno.com/movie/shab-ashish-bisht-arpita-pal-romance-stills-d70c7a1714.html

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The result was delete. – Juliancolton | ^Talk 00:59, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

NRJ Ukraine

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The subject of the article has received no independent, non-trivial coverage. Thegreatgrabber (talk) ^contribs 05:36, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Non notable article without reliable sources.→SeniorStar (talk) 05:41, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I've found coverage for it. What is the standard for radio stations to be notable? Either way it should at least be a redirect to parent company, NRJ Group. —Мандичка^YO 😜 07:39, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to NRJ Group#International as another of many of EU-area NRJ stations. Nate • (chatter) 04:46, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete and then Redirect as this is in fact speedy material with such bareness and triviality and that's self-explanatory, let alone the fact there's no actual substance. SwisterTwister talk 04:09, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete -- I don't see a need to preserve the article history as the content is too trivial to bother. After delete, optionally redirect at editorial discretion if desired. K.e.coffman (talk) 06:47, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:03, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Carl Bruch

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The article does not demonstrate how this lawyer and adjunct professor satisfies WP:BIO or WP:PROF. Edison (talk) 04:44, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep as WP:PROF is in fact satisfied in both being a leader in the university's program and also being in over thousands of libraries; WP:GNG is not applicable but WP:PROF is, and that's all that matters; nomination cite no challenges to this when WP:PROF is explicit (holds major position or is largely cited, and this is it). SwisterTwister talk 04:46, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: SwisterTwister, "being a leader" is not one of the criteria in PROF, and given that the references are all primary there's no indication that PROF 4 or 7 are met. H indices and "how many articles" have been long determined to not be hard indicators of notability. Thus, I think the nomination is valid - there is no indication/demonstration of the notability criteria at this time. Primefac (talk) 05:45, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - notability not established, does not meet WP:BIO nor WP:PROF. The article creator made many promotional stubs like this one lately, they should be checked as well. -- 1Wiki8........................... (talk) 13:53, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I'm not seeing anything that comes close to WP:PROF here. He's only an adjunct prof, has low GS cites and a h-index of 4, and contrary to SwisterTwister's assertion only one of his books is widely held in libraries, and it's just a multi-author volume he is a co-editor of. Joe Roe (talk) 14:05, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Joe Roe Look at the other WorldCat link so listed, he was the co-authored of the book first listed there and it was a major publisher, and that book is held in 415 libraries. SwisterTwister talk 18:23, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@SwisterTwister: That's the book I was talking about [12]. It's a collection of papers by multiple authors. Editing volumes like that isn't usually considered on a par with authoring or coauthoring a monograph, . Joe Roe (talk) 18:30, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Delete. Borderline notability at best. He is indeed editor , not author of his books, and this does not show clear notability as either AUTHOR or PROF. DGG ( talk ) 18:22, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - This AFD seems to show that the article creator doesn't understand WP:PROF. Folks interested in the integrity of Wikipedia should be reviewing the MANY similar promotional stubs created by this user (see their latest new article creation contributions for the growing list) and cleanup were possible, otherwise CSD/PROD/AFD where appropriate. -- 1Wiki8........................... (talk) 20:12, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Let's not start ringing the alarm bells unnecessarily. We all make mistakes, and given how much experience SwisterTwister has at AfD, AfC and NPP I'd bet that they do understand WP:PROF. I've taken a look over his recent creations and with the exception of this one they all look like useful stubs on notable academics to me. Joe Roe (talk) 20:47, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Not enough to pass WP:Prof. Creator's wholesale BLP creations need to be looked at carefully. He seems to think that being a published author is important enough to be noted in a BLP. Xxanthippe (talk) 21:45, 3 December 2016 (UTC).[reply]

As noted above, the others are in fact notable; I started this one specifically because the authored works seem significant at the time, but I also suggest deletion in this case. SwisterTwister talk 22:54, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - does not appear to meet either WP:PROF or WP:GNG, although the personal aspersions in some of the above comments are disturbing. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 01:17, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Clear consensus for deletion. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:32, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Blue Wall (Detroit newspapers and Univ. of Michigan football)

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non notable hypothesis DGG ( talk ) 04:26, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom - can't find sources supporting this truly exists —Мандичка^YO 😜 05:07, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Only one of the six sources cited in this article mentions the "blue wall", and that source denies that it exists. The idea that the Detroit newspapers provide "uncritical" and "often hypocritical" coverage of Michigan Wolverines football is presented from a non-neutral point of view. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:51, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Concur with above users, no evidence in reliable sources that this phenomenon exists. Safiel (talk) 23:34, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Could apply to any pro or college team in any market just as easily (Gannett's Wisconsin branch basically subsists in the fall on everything Packers, for instance). This is an article telling us obvious things about a 'conspiracy' that actually makes complete marketing sense and doesn't need an article explaining that 'covering your local teams helps you get readers'...and the Detroit newspapers are often critical of Wolverine sports when things aren't going well or they screw up badly (see Brady Hoke). Nate • (chatter) 01:59, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy delete. A ridiculous joke. Cbl62 (talk) 08:38, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I bet an article could be written on this general phenomenon, but I don't think a specific Detroit media–UM football "blue line" has enough/any reliable sources discussing it. — X96lee15 (talk) 17:23, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
delete at best WP:OR.--Paul McDonald (talk) 20:04, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Snow delete no evidence to validate article. Lepricavark (talk) 14:24, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete. At this time there are way too many concerns about copyright violations still existing on the page and that it's non-recoverable. With the consensus currently leaning for deletion, I would encourage a userspace draft and a consultation before returning this to the mainspace. Sources in the article can be provided on request, but the article must be rewritten from scratch. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 09:18, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Rob Adams (author)

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Promotional bio, full of unjustified superlatives. He is not a professor--he has been visiting professor a 3 universities--these are temporary positions--we seems to have no regular appointment anywhere. Author of three non notable books, and this article seems designed to promote them. DGG ( talk ) 04:25, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete A highly promotional article about a non-notable author. Blatant PR talk like "an award-winning campus-wide initiative to accelerate startups in taking their innovations to market" could be cleaned up if he was truly notable, but I see no evidence that he is. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:37, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as the nomination is exact with the concerns and there's simply nothing for actual convincing of genuine notability, and I believe there's some attempts at shoehorning this by mentioning the major football player soon. Regardless, still nothing convincing. SwisterTwister talk 05:09, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I have tried to address the major concerns that the editors have on this article. Addressing concerns by Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it and SwisterTwister talk, I added references from various reputable, national news sources, i.e. Inc. Magazine, AOL News, and The Huffington Post, that substantiate that he is a notable, recognized expert in his field. I have removed all editorial adjectives as per Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it comments. On the subject of notability as an author as per DGG ( talk ) and Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it, one of his three books, New Venture Creation: Entrepreneurship for the 21st Century (McGraw-Hill, 2011), is in its 10th edition. On the subject of regular appointment as per DGG ( talk ), I added into the article that in addition to being the founder, he has also been the director of Texas Venture Labs since 2010, as well as the founder. Also, he is a senior lecturer the McCombs School of Business at the University of Texas at Austin. As per the request to add "more links to other articles to help integrate it into the encyclopedia", I have added over 20 more links to the article. Any other suggestions for change or improvement would be greatly appreciated. Gracephoto (talk) 21:57, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What has been added is still not convincing or sufficient as it's still trivial and unconvincing; also, there's no inherited notability from anything or anyone else, regardless of his connections there. SwisterTwister talk 22:38, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What is actally needed to show notability as an Author are reviews of his books in major review sources, such as major newspapers, magazines, or professional journals. But you additionally will needto remove parts like belong only in a job application, eg. "His fundraising experience includes public and private equities, limited partnerships, corporations, and philanthropy." DGG ( talk ) 00:15, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the helpful information. I will add references to reviews and edit accordingly and hope for the best. Thanks for taking the time to give me feedback - much appreciated Gracephoto (talk) 04:55, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:11, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ashwin Rammohan

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Insufficient evidence for notability--an apparently promotional biography DGG ( talk ) 04:22, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete non-notable medical doctor.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:57, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as I concur there's nothing here at all for the relevant notability z kne of which is exact with its selection. SwisterTwister talk 19:23, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. as per above...Rameshnta909 (talk) 20:11, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:11, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Lawrence Kopp

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A WP:PROMO page on an unremarkable businessperson. Significant RS coverage cannot be found. Article created by Special:Contributions/JambisMan21 with no other contributions. K.e.coffman (talk) 04:22, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as such clear advertising, there's literally nothing to suggest it's not, and that's sufficient. SwisterTwister talk 04:40, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete non-notable PR executive.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:26, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Accommodation_at_the_University_of_Hong_Kong#Lee_Hysan_Hall. (non-admin closure) SST flyer 14:53, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Lee Hysan Hall

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Not notable residence hall, with intricate detail that would be of no interest except to students or prospective students. The residential colleges of some world famous universities are notable, but even they do not contain such absurd detail as a photo of the photocopying machine. Normally we would call this sort of detail promotional. The previous afd closed as Redirect to the list of residence halls, at the university, but the article was recreated. DGG ( talk ) 03:16, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, and then make a redirect page. Clearly not notable. Fails WP:ORG.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:51, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect per the first AfD. ansh 666 20:06, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Accommodation_at_the_University_of_Hong_Kong#Lee_Hysan_Hall and protect This is clearly not independently notable. I personally think a redirect works well here. It would be good to protect the redirect so that it cannot be recreated again. (Deletion of the history is not necessary actually).--Lemongirl942 (talk) 04:12, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and then Redirect as, while watching this from the start, I concur there's simply nothing at all for each their own articles, simply because they're trivial and nothing else significant is established, let alone convincing. SwisterTwister talk 08:07, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

For this case, I would prefer to keep the history though. The content, while not adequately sourced, can used to expand another article. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 08:12, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 13:43, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Harold Sharp

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The bundle of sources are misleading because they are mainly passing mentions and unreliable (Amazon, for the most part). Much of this article is composed of trivial information that does not really say anything for notability. TheGracefulSlick (talk) 02:56, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Well, here's a one great one. Part of an interview of martial arts experts that shows him seated next to, and interviewed alongside, the legendary Bruce Lee. Treated as equals in their respective disciplines. colour me impressed. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 03:02, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete one interview is not enough to establish notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:33, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Plus an interview is primary coverage Shawn in Montreal. It is pretty neat that Bruce Lee was involved but that does not say anything for Sharp's notability.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 03:52, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- An interview, if published by an independent secondary source, is not primary. Now, the interview subject's views on himself (if that is the subject of the interview) may not be used for WP:V, perhaps, but can be used to establish WP:N. Common sense needs to be applied, as in the case with all our policies. In this case, Sharp appears to have been quoted as an expert in the field. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 04:07, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment None of the coverage seems to be independent. The Black Belt magazine article appears to be autobiographical ("My Life and Judo") and the article by Don Warrener isn't independent since his company (Rising Sun Productions) produced at least some of Sharp's videos. He doesn't meet the notability criteria for authors and rank alone is insufficient to show notability. I'm not voting yet in order to allow more time to find coverage and show notability. For what it's worth, two others on that 5 man interview panel don't have WP pages. Papaursa (talk) 04:07, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Doesn't seem to meet WP:AUTHOR, nothing really making the subject stand out regarding noteworthiness. South Nashua (talk) 15:33, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:GNG is not met and there's no supporting evidence to show any SNG is met. Papaursa (talk) 19:10, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 03:02, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Micaela Hierro Dori

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I do not see any elements of notability here: she has been head of a number of apparently non-notable youth groups, and runs a blog. . There is no corresponding article in the Spanish WP. No significant publications DGG ( talk ) 02:55, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) st170e^talk 01:21, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jonathan Antin

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My search for additional sources did not come with any solid ones. Here we have all non-reliable sources. A clip from the reality TV show that he was in is a primary source, so is the show's own website. IMDb is not a reliable source. We have in the article no, none, zip relialbe secondary third party sources, when we need multiple. Doing notable peoples hair does not make one notable. John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:32, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as clear advertising for a trivial and unconvincing career will then trivial and unconvincing sources. SwisterTwister talk 02:51, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Major role in two notable TV series, and a simple search shows he has been the subject of multiple coverage in sources like the Los Angeles Times [13][14], Pop Matters [15], Knight Ridder/Tribune News Service [16][17],WWD [18], Bangor Daily News [19], Los Angeles Daily News [20], New York [21], Paper [22], People [23], Entertainment Weekly [24], USA Today [25]. You couldn't pay me to watch this stuff, but his notability seems apparent.--Arxiloxos (talk) 04:48, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Arxiloxos, Thanks for the sources. I am working on the article and did not use Pop Matters, Paper, Entertainment Weekly, and USA Today because these do not seem to fit as mainstream news sources (nor does People, for that matter, but I see that it's commonly used as a source). But if I'm missing something about that, please say so.--CaroleHenson (talk) 03:13, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per above, needs a bit of a cleanup, but other than that a notable person. AlessandroTiandelli333 (talk) 12:17, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - I agree that right now it sounds very promotional - and it's also possibly original research. It's unfortunate that it's only source is IMdB. I am going to work on it and see what I can dig up, starting with the sources provide above. As it is right now, I am not prepared to vote to keep it.--CaroleHenson (talk) 16:43, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I have been wavering between weak keep and keep. He seems to have had the strongest career between the late 1990s and about 2007 or so, based upon press coverage. But, I still think that there is enough there in terms of his career as a celebrity stylist, hair care line developer and businessman, and TV personality to warrant the article.--CaroleHenson (talk) 10:03, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – The subject meets WP:BASIC per a review of available sources, such as those added to the article after it was nominated for deletion and sources presented above in this discussion. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 21:47, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Merging was only recently suggested as a potential alternative to deletion, but I'm loathe to relist this discussion a third time, and consensus seems clear that the subject lacks independent notability. – Juliancolton | ^Talk 15:22, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Clark Kelly Price

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Price's work just does not meet any of our metrics for notability of an artist. The Ensign article I dug up really is mainly using his work to narrate a story. There is a level where telling history through paintings can make one notable, but there is no indication that any of Price's work rises to that level. We would need lots of sources referencing his work and its impact, and we do not have such. John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:24, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The artist's name has been spelled incorrectly in the article since its creation in 2009 (it was/is spelled incorrectly in some sources). I just moved it to Clark Kelley Price. So please also try:

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Delete as the one museum listed could be convincing but I have questions about the ingenuity about it, and there's simply nothing else beyond it for otherwise better, hence delete. SwisterTwister talk 02:51, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Delete - Poorly cited due to heavy self-publishing and primary sources. Questionable notability. Deaddebate (talk) 03:59, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge (was "Keep", see my comments below) Keep for several reasons:

Searching for sources under the correct spelling yields this review in Western Horseman, a not-yet-noticed solid source
Scottsdale Independent article that gives info on the Cowboy Artists of America, as does http://cowboyartistsofamerica.com/...it is a private club, perhaps all white men in fact judging by group photos and names of members, that is apparently selective. I would not suggest all members are Wikipedia-notable, but membership is something; I might wonder why a cowboy artist is NOT a member.
An award: the Cowboy Artists of America bio states "Clark has twice been selected for the Arts for the Parks Top 100 in Jackson, Wyoming, winning the historical award one year."
When the article was started in 2009 (by the deletion nominator in fact), the artist seemed notable based on then-fresh publication of the Deseret News article which is still good coverage; notability is not temporary.

--do ncr am 22:19, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The "perhaps all white men" is needless racist grandstanding. You can not tell peoples races from pictures, I am insulted that anyone would attempt to in this day and age. I have a friend who carries his birth certificate so people do not falsely class him as white when he is black. Unless you have real evidence a group excludes based on race lines like "perhaps all white men" are unneccesarily racially inflamatory.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:39, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what "racist grandstanding" is, or whether I did it, but point taken about telling people's races from their group photos of members. Sorry about that. Perhaps they discriminate based on hat ownership, though. :) Hey, what I wrote came out that way because I was being defensive about the CKP's membership in the club as supporting his notability. I do think it supports his notability. However I am uncomfortable in general with using club membership as an indicator of importance. I happen to have created or edited several hundred wikipedia articles and list-articles about clubs/clubhouses (e.g. Masonic Lodges, Elks lodges, and individual elite businessmen's clubs, and women's clubs too, starting with many whose buildings are listed on the National Register). There are aspects of Wikipedia coverage of clubs that should make us uncomfortable, in terms of which clubs get covered and why we should be in the role of sort of promoting them. So anyhow I was sort of trying to pre-empt criticism of my making anything much of the cowboy artists club by myself pointing out (erroneously as you note) something I anticipated might come across as negative about it. I really know nothing about it at all, and I should not have gone that way, I'm sorry. --do ncr am 19:09, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, I was wondering if I should after all create a "Cowboy Artists of America" article, which could perhaps list the member artists, and I just find that it exists: Cowboy Artists of America. I will add CKP's name there and develop it a bit, despite my general misgivings about clubs.

Merging this CKP article to Cowboy Artists of America#Clark Kelley Price is an option, leaving a redirect behind, allowing this article to be recreated without loss of edit history, if/when there are more sources explicitly about this artist. Merging is superior to Deletion. In general we should look for good wp:ATD Alternatives to Deletion, and I think merging this works. Table rows there can hold content including sources about each artist. --do ncr am 19:30, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Paintings in a history museum are not necessarily there because of the quality of the art. Based on reading it, the nature of the deseret news article is clearly propagandistic, not objective. Our standards have generally risen since 2009, and in particular we are more consistent about artists. DGG ( talk ) 17:51, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per DGG's reasoning. Niteshift36 (talk) 21:32, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Miss Tennessee USA. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 18:15, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Molly Brown (pageant titleholder)

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Brown was Miss Tennessee USA and Miss Tennessee Teen USA back in the 1980s. This article mainly demonstrates why such is not ground for notability. It is primarily sourced to her small hometown newspaper. 30 years later we know absolutely nothing about what she has done over the last 30 years. My search for sources came up with nothing showing any notability. The previous keep was largely a result of an unwillingness to consider the cases on their merits, but instead going to a knee jerk position that just because the title is claimed it is important. In the case of Miss some US state that is not the case, especially with multiple competing beauty contests.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:48, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Being a beauty pageant winner is not enough in itself to prove notability.--CaroleHenson (talk) 03:43, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and WP:NOT applies yet again, regardless of anything. SwisterTwister talk 23:08, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Miss Tennessee USA, mentioned there. SST flyer 14:55, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:12, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Greenwood

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Greenwood was Miss Tennessee USA which is not enough to make her notable on its own. Being the executive director of various state beauty contests also does not make her notable. My search for additional coverage came up with tabloid accusations against her husband that mentioned her in passing, but that is about it. John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:38, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as therr's no automatic inherited notability from Lee and everything else here is simply trivial and and unconvincing, nothing at all close for both notability and substance. SwisterTwister talk 02:51, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete -- a page on unremarkable individual with no indications of notability or significance. K.e.coffman (talk) 02:43, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:12, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Turn Around (Film)

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Non-notable short film lacking non-trivial support. reddogsix (talk) 01:38, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep--SeniorStar (talk) 01:44, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment -Based on what? This is a short film that lacks independent, verifable references. Where is the in-depth coverage or coverage period? reddogsix (talk) 01:55, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Films notable enough for IMDb should be considered. Wikipedia offers an easily readable, easily navigable, easily searchable common ground for viewers to find information about this short film. Tooury101 (talk) 01:48, 3 December 2016 (UTC)tooury101[reply]

Comment - Please see WP:RS/IMDB concerning the use of IMDB as a reference. The purpose of Wikipedia is not to priovide a web presence for all movies. reddogsix (talk) 01:58, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - IMDb article read and understood. If I updated the reference to http://www.lostefilms.com/turn-around, would it be acceptable? Tooury101 (talk) 02:10, 3 December 2016 (UTC)tooury101[reply]

Comment - This is just a listing of the credits and is not even close to in-depth, non-trivial support. reddogsix (talk) 02:13, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Fair enough. Delete! Tooury101 (talk) 02:56, 3 December 2016 (UTC)tooury101[reply]

Delete per WP:NFF. This film has apparently not been released yet, and no indication has been given as to how or where the film will be released. Nor have any sources been cited other than the film's own IMDb page, which is not a proof of notability, although it might be considered a prerequisite to establish a film's notability. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 06:04, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NFF. IMDB page is not enough...Rameshnta909 (talk) 20:25, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Cerebellum (talk) 22:44, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Beth Hood

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Hood was bot Miss Tennessee and Miss Tennessee USA. Neither of these titles on their own is enough to make one notable, so the combination of the two titles does not make one notable either. The sourcing is just not there and my search for more sources just showed up lots of blog type sources, nothing reliable. The article has major sourcing problems too. Her marriage is sourced to basically a paid wedding annoucement, but it is more an unpaid posted on the internet one. The sourcing does not establish notability. John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:25, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Being a beauty pageant winner is not enough in itself to prove notability.--CaroleHenson (talk) 03:37, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as still a pageant membership is not significant for actual notability as a whole. SwisterTwister talk 23:11, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Miss Tennessee USA, mentioned there. SST flyer 14:56, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete -- a WP:PSEUDO BLP on an unremarkable individual. I don't see a need for a redirect as the name is unlikely to be a valid search term. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:40, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. KaisaL (talk) 17:51, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jonathan Schofield

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Simply because there's a listed major news source is not automatically inheriting genuine significance or actual notability and the information and sources themselves in fact show nothing for actual substance, the career is simply trivial and unconvincing. WP:NOT policy fittingly applies because this is simply a job listing. SwisterTwister talk 01:25, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete general notability guidelines require multiple sources that are reliable. A local color story in a newspaper is generally not how we show that someone is a notable historian. There is only one reliable source about Schofield in the article, we need multiple to pass the general notability guidelines.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:28, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep assuming it can be verified to Wiki standards, I say weak keep simply because he has interviewed several notable people. Postcard Cathy (talk) 14:12, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - It's not clear to me yet. I've been tidying up his article and looking for sources. There are several "Jonathan Schofield"s to shuffle through - and he's clearly written about a lot in the Manchester paper. I'll do some more digging and see what I can find, for instance book reviews would be helpful.--CaroleHenson (talk) 03:09, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I have been vacillating between weak keep and delete, but I think it should be delete. What makes him notable - in terms of BBC interviews, references in books, and the success of his tours - is that he's a historian. But, I'm not finding meaningful reviews of his books and his classic, oft-referenced line about Friedrich Engels, "without Manchester there would have been no Soviet Union. And the history of the 20th century would have been very different" is based upon faulty logic (perhaps knowingly to make for an enjoyable tour, but doesn't lift his reputation as a historian). There is more that could be written about him as a public speaker, for instance, but I still don't think that would lift his notability appreciably. (He sounds like someone I would like to get a tour from, though, because of his personality, background knowledge, and passion.) Also, I could not find one comprehensive article about him from an independent source - and some of the content that still is in the article likely shouldn't be, like his books (lacking independent reviews), perhaps the BBC content, etc.

Postcard Cathy, I moved the information about who he interviewed, gave tours to, etc. to the talk page - because as a journalist and tour guide, that would be a standard part of doing business. I posted it there in the event that there might be something noteworthy about his interactions with these individuals, but I didn't come across anything when looking for sources.--CaroleHenson (talk) 08:18, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The average reporter and tour guide never gets to meet people such as those mentioned. Local reporters might meet local or regional VIPs but I can tell you for my sleepy suburb, I have no clue who our mayor or chief of police is, and I doubt you do either! Or care, even if you did. Postcard Cathy (talk) 09:29, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, if you think that information should be returned feel free. I agree that he is probably getting more that the usual allotment of celebrities, because from all that I've read he's the most well-known tour guide in the city.

(I know who my mayor is, and I know the chief of police is a woman, but I forget her name. That's funny, though!)--CaroleHenson (talk) 09:38, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I went ahead and added them back with a {{cn}} tag. In addition, it would be helpful to have more information for context, since the interactions could fall into one of three categories: interviewed by, interviewed, or took on a tour.--—CaroleHenson (talk) 16:41, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Notability would be as an author. WorldCat [26] shows that his guidebooks to Manchester are not the most widely held ones, at least in libraries. DGG ( talk ) 19:10, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Lack of significant coverage about the person. He has a job and is probab;y good at it. Being used to answer some interview questions doesn't make you notable. Niteshift36 (talk) 21:34, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - his name rings a bell, but the article does not prove notability. Bearian (talk) 14:08, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to SmartAsk. – Juliancolton | ^Talk 17:18, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Justin Landry

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There's no inherited notability from anything listed not should we consider mistaking it as such, it's a fact he is actually onpy known for 1 TV series, and that series itself only lasted about 2 years, with the other listed works only being trivial 1-time characters. Hence WP:NOT also applies since Wikipedia is not IMDb, something thid current article is only fitting for. SwisterTwister talk 01:25, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete does not meet the notability requirements for actors.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:26, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep passes WP:GNG as has reliable source newspaper coverage such as Toronto Star and Town Crier, being on a television series for two years is not trivial. Atlantic306 (talk) 02:50, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Think there's enough to warrant keeping. Seems to have a number of roles and as noted above a two-year stint (if he was in it for all of that time) could in itself be considered 'notable' Eagleash (talk) 03:22, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The Town Crier is a community weekly newspaper that is neither widely distributed beyond its own neighbourhood nor archived anywhere that we could retrieve the content again if the weblink ever died, so it does not count toward passage of WP:GNG. It would be acceptable for supplementary sourcing of stray facts after GNG had already been satisfied by stronger sources, but it cannot count toward the initial question of whether GNG has been met in the first place. And the same issue pertains to Durhamregion.com. And I searched to find the Toronto Star article as well — it is not in fact about him, but merely namechecks his existence a single time in an article about something else, so it's not bringing any GNG either. And WP:NACTOR is not met just because roles are asserted, either: it's met when the roles are supported by sourcing that satisfies GNG — but none of the sourcing here satisfies GNG, so NACTOR is not passed. SNGs do not provide an exemption from having to source an article over GNG; they serve to clarify the types of things are accepted as notability claims if they're supported by GNG-passing sources, but the sourceability still has to pass GNG to actually get the article included, regardless of what it unsourcedly or bad-sourcedly claims. No prejudice against recreation in the future if and when somebody can source it better than this. Bearcat (talk) 21:04, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to SmartAsk There is no question that the CBC television show was notable and while this individual does have some coverage, I don't believe it's enough to warrant a standalone article. I think a compromise of arguments here is to redirect to SmartAsk. Mkdw ^talk 02:42, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as suggested by Mkdw. Right now, it is just too soon. He has a made-for-TV film coming out later this week. I cleaned up the outrageous puffery and crystal balling. Bearian (talk) 14:06, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Cerebellum (talk) 22:45, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Stephanie Guerrero

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Guerrero was Miss Texas USA. The only source that seems to have taken note of this is a paper in her hometown of Lubbock. The other source in the article is just listing her as loosing to another competitor for Miss Texas USA in another year who that paper took localist notice of. This is not a position of lasting significance. My google search did not turn up any additional sources to add toward notability. John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:18, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Being a beauty pageant winner is not enough in itself to prove notability.--CaroleHenson (talk) 03:38, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as trivial information for a local pageant member. SwisterTwister talk 23:07, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Miss Texas USA, mentioned there. SST flyer 14:55, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete -- a WP:PSEUDO BLP on an unremarkable individual. I don't see a need for a redirect as the name is unlikely to be a valid search term. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:40, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:12, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Elie Khouri

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Promotional bio of advertising executive. Full of adjectives of praise, but no evidence for them, except inclusion on a number of lists. Merely being placed on these specialized lists is not notability. DGG ( talk ) 01:07, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete non-notable advertising executive.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:08, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
SNOW Delete as WP:NOT policy is violated here considering the article is blatantly being used as an advertising job listing, and such policy is not negotiable not should we make it so; any attempts at advertising are unacceptable and this is the case here. SwisterTwister talk 01:13, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Not delete He is notable. "What a difference two decades make". Gulf Business. May 2016. p. 46. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WorldDedWin (talk • contribs) 05:36, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I do see that there is a tone issue in places, and that the author of the article didn't always select the best sources, but I am also seeing: 1) 19 articles in HighBeam, 2) 898 in Google news (realizing some of these are likely other Eli Khouris and/or unreliable sources), and 3) some books. It seems that in the Middle East he is considered influential and powerful by Forbes and Arabian Business. It may be that the subject has not been explored enough to draw out the information about what makes him influential and powerful - and there are plenty of sources to draw from.

If there is something that I am not understanding, though, about how this is detrimental to WP, that would be helpful to know.--CaroleHenson (talk) 05:29, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The article has been written more like a bio than an encyclopedia article. I'm copyediting for tone and formatting the citations to see how it seems after that.--CaroleHenson (talk) 04:57, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I worked on the article. Many of the sources were not reliable and secondary sources - some were bios or profiles posted that were likely originally written by Khouri or someone close to him / worked for him. There was what appears to be some original research and there was some failed verification. The article is now cited with secondary sources. Where I could not find sources, I moved text to the Article rewrite comments section on the talk page.

Comment ~~Keep~~ I don't know how we know why an article is created, but the editor is interested in this subject, based upon their contributions. The point is whether it meets WP:N, WP:GNG, and other key reasons in WP:DELREASONS. IMO, the subject of the article meets both, based upon his experience as an early leader of the media industry (one source called him a pioneer in the media industry in the Middle East region), particularly moving beyond print and television advertising campaigns to digital, social networking, based upon data. He is also a leader in equality of sexes among business executive positions, making it an award-winning best place to work, and in corporate social responsibility.--CaroleHenson (talk) 22:39, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The reliable and verifiable sources about the subject meet the notability standard. Any issues regarding promotional language or "adjectives of praise" should be addressed by editing, not deletion. Alansohn (talk) 15:44, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment to closer - There's no amounts of improvements to be made here since our policies against advertising allow this to be removed, and especially since improvements would actually mean restarting the article altogether, hence not any actual improvements. As it is, this AfD has been affected by SPA accounts as has the article's history itself so that alone violates policy, regardless of "But there's sourcing" or "But he exists". SwisterTwister talk 02:23, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

SwisterTwister I am not always sure where you are coming from—if you are basing your comments on the version when it was nominated or after a lot of edits have been made to the article, which in this case increased the article by 50%. Based on my experience here, I am a little confused about how this is purely an advertising article and beyond improvement - but do concede I may need to made edits for tone and am happy to do so.

Most importantly, and this may help me in the future if I am misunderstanding things, I thought that the issue was whether an article if viable or not, per guidelines and considering WP:SAVE. When I look at guidelines to cite for deletion debates, I don't see anything about the original author. Somewhat new to the AfD process, I wonder: Am I missing something?—CaroleHenson (talk) 02:59, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the history and seeing how there was no other account involved except the author and how they only used the account for this one article and starting links to this said article, it's enough to show it was an advertising-only account, and quite likely chances of a paid advertisement (and thus enough for deletion); especially in the fact this article is entirely formatted as a personal PR listing. SwisterTwister talk 03:03, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

What guideline says that if it was started under those conditions, it must be deleted - and is beyond repair?

For the short run, I'll post a {{COI editnotice}} on the talk page and add a comment to the user's page - although based on what you say, they may not be back.—CaroleHenson (talk) 03:14, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I just caught "this article is entirely formatted as a personal PR listing" - what do you mean?—CaroleHenson (talk) 03:23, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Because it only focuses with what his own PR agents and even the subject himself would put at his own job listing and websites, and since this article itself cares to focus in specifying every single business fact of his. The policy allowing such PR removal is WP:NOT. SwisterTwister talk 03:41, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This may be coming pretty darn close to "beating a dead horse", but just a couple of final thoughts:

It seems to me that for Because it only focuses with what his own PR agents and even the subject himself would put at his own job listing and websites to be true, it would seem that all or most of the 24 secondary sources, mostly news sources, were churnalism. That may be true, I don't know. But I wonder how one would know that.
Regarding since this article itself cares to focus in specifying every single business fact of his - if that's true, that's more my fault than the original author. I didn't use all the sources that were out there, though, there are 798 news hits, perhaps 9 or so of 17 books published since 1984 that are applicable, 19 HighBeam hits, and other items on the internet that would qualify as reliable, SSs.
WP:NOT says that editors should avoid self-promotion and follow WP:COI guidelines, whether writing about themselves, a subject with a close connection, or a subject they are paid to write about. I don't see anywhere that articles should be deleted because they were started by a user with a close connection or conflict of interest.
In WP:PAID, WP:COI, and guidelines to cite for deletion debates — I don't see anything that says that the article that a COI contributor creates will be subject to deletion, solely because they created it.—CaroleHenson (talk) 04:40, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

To specify, removal is supported by the part "What Wikipedia is not: A PR webhost or collection of company information, listings, etc." and since that's our policy for removing such PR listings, it's sufficient and we would even apply WP:IAR as needed. SwisterTwister talk 05:59, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 08:20, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Stephanie Culberson

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Culberson has the same problem as so many other state level beauty queens. This is all she has done of note, and is just not the level of accomplishment to make someone permanently encyclopedically notable. The fact she was both Miss Tennessee and Miss Tennessee USA does not overcome this fact. The previous discussion closed keep because some of the people might be notable on other grounds, however there are no such other ground for Culberson.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:06, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Being a beauty pageant winner is not enough in itself to prove notability.--CaroleHenson (talk) 03:39, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as participating itself is still never a significant claim for actual notability. SwisterTwister talk 23:11, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:12, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Abandoned vehicle

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I think this might work if it was a little more specific, or merged as part of an article about vehicles, but this is overly broad. South Nashua (talk) 01:03, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete - I also think this could work, I suppose because of specific laws concerning abandoned vehicles maybe, but would need to see significant coverage. —Мандичка^YO 😜 05:35, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - IMHO the article's written like someones opinion so I more or less believe this is WP:OR, Anyway better off deleted and rewritten. –Davey2010^Talk 02:33, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 08:19, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Amy Colley

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Colley's only marginal claim to notability is being Miss Tennessee, and this is not enough on its own to establish notability. She was dating Kenny Chesney for a short time, and got very limited notice due to this, but not enough to make her notable on her own. My search for sources showed facebook and blog mentions but not reliable sources that would bring this article to passing the general notability guidelines. John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:01, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I am not finding sources to establish notability. I am finding some things related to her dating life, like Kenny, and things about other Amy Colleys.--CaroleHenson (talk) 09:32, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: run-of-the-mill state level pageant winner; in the absence of other notability factors, such pages are routinely deleted. This is the case here. K.e.coffman (talk) 03:44, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 08:17, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Tucker Perry

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Perry was Miss Tennessee USA. This alone is not enough to establish notability. Her acting in music videos is way below the threshold of notability, and the coverage she has received in sources is no where near enough to pass the general notability guidelines. John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:53, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The Miss Tennesee USA win seems like it'd be enough, there's no specific boundary within BIO for beauty pageants, but the pageant in itself is notable. South Nashua (talk) 01:06, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Being a beauty pageant winner and in a few music videos is not enough in itself to prove notability.--CaroleHenson (talk) 03:41, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as WP:NOT in fact applies given how we never, in any capacity, put separate articles for any pageant member. SwisterTwister talk 23:07, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete -- nothing stands out about this pageant contestant; in the absence of other notability factors such WP:PSEUDO BLPs are routinely deleted. K.e.coffman (talk) 19:29, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete both. A clear consensus for deletion has been established herein. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:43, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

List of T20I cricket series featuring Sri Lanka

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Fails WP:NOTSTATS and WP:NOTDIRECTORY. List of ODI cricket series featuring Sri Lanka was deleted as part of this bindle last month. Ianblair23 (talk) 00:29, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related page for the same reason:

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Delete per nom/previous AfD. Lugnuts ^{Precious bodily fluids} 08:55, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete both - as per previous AfDs of very similar articles Spiderone 10:21, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete both - no attempt to provide a proper context or even suggest notability other than they were events which happened. Blue Square Thing (talk) 10:41, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per all of the above, especially NOTSTATS (again!) Jack | ^{talk page} 11:08, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete both as per nominator WP:NOTMIRROR and WP:NOTSTATS Ajf773 (talk) 07:24, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per the nominator and all the recent relevant discussions on similar articles. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:27, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete both per nominator. MFriedman (talk) 11:34, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete both per nominator...Rameshnta909 (talk) 20:19, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 08:16, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Suzie Heffernan

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Heffernan's only even half-baked claim to notability was being Miss South Dakota USA, and this is not enough by any stretch of the imagination to establish notability. The coverage is all the "local girl makes good" type. My search showed up no additional reliable sources that might add any possible notability. John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:38, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Being a beauty pageant winner is not enough in itself to prove notability.--CaroleHenson (talk) 03:42, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and WP:NOT applies given how we are a random listing of pageants. SwisterTwister talk 23:08, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:13, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Crystal Davis

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Davis' one claim to notability is having been Miss Illinois. This is not enough on its own to establish notability. The article is very heavily reliant on local news coverage from where she is, some of which is still not even about her in any meaningful way. A google search produces nothing showing notability outside of the one event of being Miss Illinois. John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:43, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I listed this at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Beauty pageants. I know there is a better way to do that, but I have not figured it out.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:44, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:GNG...Rameshnta909 (talk) 20:17, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete -- an unremarkable beauty pageant contestant with no other indications of notability or significance. K.e.coffman (talk) 02:54, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. consensus after 3 relistings--a good example of why multiple relistings can sometimes be helpful. DGG ( talk ) 00:56, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

U.K. Sivagnanam

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Non-notable social activist and politician. He is not even the chief of the organisation. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 00:32, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete non-notable activist.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:39, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep found this while patrolling & have helped a bit with the article, initial blurb looked like nothing but a quick Google search turned up a trove of links in both Indian & international media, as well as multiple references via Google books, for this individual, going back decades. I listed several on the article's Talk page & there are plenty more. JamesG5 (talk) 03:58, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Not only the leaders of organisations are notable.Rathfelder (talk) 23:04, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Non notable activist. Fails WP:GNG. I couldn't find anything with a coverage of the person...Rameshnta909 (talk) 20:14, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I linked multiple articles and a Google book source on the Talk page, and the link at the top of this page https://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q=%22U.K.+Sivagnanam%22&num=50 produces several more. JamesG5 (talk) 04:01, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Non-notable person. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 15:28, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Sorry, not convinced. I went through the Google link James posted. There are several repeats of the same article quoting the subject about a meeting with Fidel Castro twenty years ago, and several other cites quoting the subject. As is well established, quotes from a subject cannot be used to support the notability of the subject. In order to meet the GNG, as we all know, the subject needs to receive significant coverage that is about the subject. Nothing of the sort's been provided. Ravenswing 10:14, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fails WP:GNG; I agree with Ravenswing entirely Spiderone 18:52, 1 January 2017 (UTC)'[reply]
Delete - WP:POLITICIAN stresses on significant coverage in reliable sources for an independent article. Unfortunately coverage here is minimal. Other than "broken brick wall" and "meeting fidel castro" articles, I couldn't find articles on work done by this person. Even the book simply points out the incident of breaking the wall. Thus the article fails WP:GNG. vivek7de--tAlK 14:50, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Per nom. Fails WP:GNG. GauchoDude (talk) 18:58, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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