Talk:Backstreet Boys

Instruments

Does anyone know whereas BSB play any more instruments. They seem to have an army of producers and Kevin Richardson and Nick Carter play and arrange the music. However I don't know whereas they play anything more as on most of the albums there aren't any credits here on WP. And I wonder whether should we put a section about the instrumental part of their contribution apart from just singing. I hope you guys will say anything more.

Respect:The Mad Hatter (talk) 16:05, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

I don't have a complete list, but I've seen Kevin Richardson playing piano, keyboards, and drums, I've seen Nick Carter playing drums and guitar, Brian Littrell and Howie Dorough just guitar I think, at least I've never seen those two play any other instrument. AJ McLean, I've seen him play quite a few, piano, keyboard, drums, bass, and violin and if I can remember correctly he can play guitar too. But I don't have any reliable source, it's just what I've seen from their performances/videos.--Krystaleen 03:25, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Really thats interesting 92.2.45.128 (talk) 19:01, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Salary

Can anyone find out the BSB's salary per year? That information can be posted here under Earnings or Income 223.234.93.148 (talk) 17:44, 27 December 2012 (UTC) yes an income section is a good idea — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.190.232.170 (talk) 14:57, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps start with net worth and go from there? akujy (talk) 00:36, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

read

Phoenix Stone (sam licita) was a member of the backstreet boys,please add it.he is a former member

SAM LICATA WAS A MEMBER OF THE BACKSTREET BOYS

TO ALL PEOPLE READING THIS THERE WAS A FORMER BACKSTREET BOYS MEMBER SAM LICATA (PHOENIX STONE) HE WAS A MEMBER IN THEIR EARLY YEARS YET WIKIPEDIA IS TOO STUPID AND MORONIC TO INCLUDE IT. PLEASE INCLUDE THIS OR I WILL WHEN MY ACCOUNT GETS AUTOCONFIRMED GOT IT — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.226.19.183 (talk) 23:05, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Before the group was established there were too many member changes to include them all, and Sam Licata isn't any more notable than the rest. Besides, he didn't do anything with them before he was replaced, no single, no album, no performance, no contract, nothing. Plus, the group have always stated their anniversary is April 20, which is the date Brian Littrell joined. It's obvious they don't regard those "members" as part of the group, former or not. They were in the group only for a few days to a few weeks at most anyway and had done absolutely nothing with the group. Not notable.--Krystaleen 03:16, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Original topic not started by me but why did you revert the edit I made including the original members? User:Harout72 I provided sources, including a performance video with Charles Edwards and Sam Licata. Sam Licata particularly was named in a lawsuit as a former member BackStreet Boys Sue Pearlman, Trans ContinentalPersianprince99 (talk) 04:38, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Make sure you're familiar with wiki guidelines. YouTube, which you used as a source isn't considered reliable in most cases, see Wikipedia:Reliable source examples.--Harout72 (talk) 13:43, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Ok that makes sense. Thank you for the correction.Persianprince99 (talk) 06:02, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

YESSSSSSSSS 92.2.45.128 (talk) 19:01, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

New Zealand Sales

Anyone have the NZ charts book by Dean Scapolo? It can provide useful information on the sales/certifications of their first two albums and their first few singles. 223.236.83.156 (talk) 15:45, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Suggested merge: The Space Show (concert tour) to this article

The article for The Space Show (concert tour) is unsourced, and I couldn't find the significant coverage in reliable sources that would enable it to meet WP:NTOUR. I'm suggesting that that article (and probably a few of the other tours) be merged either here, under the Tours section, or to a (new) Backstreet Boys tours article. Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 03:35, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

• Don't merge - The Backstreet Boys article is long enough as it is. And I don't think that particular tour is significant enough to be featured in the main group article. However I agree it needs some sources, and I don't even know how legit all the info written there. Maybe just delete the article instead?--Krystaleen 02:28, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Yeah that's probably the next move unless some other consensus emerges here. Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 02:37, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
    • So an editor just added a tour poster and apparently the tour was called "We Wanna Be With You Tour" so I guess the tour did exist and as such maybe we should rename the article instead. What do you think?--Krystaleen 15:02, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

The tour did exist and the article is wrong. Songs played are from their 1996 debut album (and a couple of unreleased songs that since became diehard fan classics). 1997 was the date of their "international debut album", meaning US debut. Why delete an article that is pretty much spot on except for that error? Surely references are findable. I know how this works, but sometimes needing references to state public known facts is just tedious. But in sure a long search will provide them. I would do the search and edit myself,but I am terrible with that editing format. Plus I vowed to never make a substantial contribution in editing after i created the very best of the beach boys article and somehow my changes are not logged there. akujy (talk) 00:35, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Adult contemporary is a radio format

Adult contemporary (AC) is a radio format targeting an adult audience rather than teenagers. AC is not a musical genre by itself; instead the format can contain songs of various genres including contemporary R&B, vocal pop, folk rock, soft rock, pop rock and straight pop music.

These are the cited sources describing the Backstreet Boys as moving from a teen music style to "adult contemporary":

• ...Never Gone reflects the adult ideals...
• the Backstreet Boys... are working with producers sympathetic to their efforts to sound like an adult vocal group... The Purest Pop – The sound leans to adult contemporary, but contemporary pop music doesn't get much more pure than this. Memorable melodies, interwoven choral harmonies, piano, strings, and gentle use of guitar and drums combine for straightforward songs that will engage most pop fans.
• 'In A World Like This' straddles adult contemporary with some subtle dance cues...
• ...something new on Never Gone: they've abandoned the teen pop of the late '90s for anthemic adult contemporary that sounds a bit like Bryan Adams circa 1990... the big, resolutely square sound of '90s adult contemporary... This is all enough to make Never Gone a solid adult contemporary album...

I agree completely that the album Never Gone targets an adult contemporary radio audience. My point is that it does so by being more mature in the vocal pop genre, which is explained by some of the above sources. None of these sources say explicitly that AC is a musical genre, so I don't see why we should make that leap by putting AC in the infobox genre parameter. I suggest removing AC from the infobox parameter, and rewording the article prose in a minimal fashion to suggest that AC is a radio format rather than a musical genre. Binksternet (talk) 16:01, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

I agree about removing it from the infobox but I'm a bit iffy about removing it from the Artistry section. The replacement terms you put earlier don't exactly convey the same message as "adult contemporary", I don't think.--Krystaleen 04:51, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

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Boyband or Vocal group

Hi. Going through the archives, I see that this topic was briefly brought up before, but no justification was given as to why they are called a "vocal pop group" in the intro ("because that's what they are" is not sufficient reason), as opposed to "boy band".

The source given for them being a "vocal pop group" is unreliable as it is primary source whereby they refer to themselves as such in an interview. However, most every secondary source refers to them as a boy band (even if they aren't technically "boys" anymore), even the journalist in that aforementioned primary source. Surely we should be going with what reliable neutral third party sources categorize them as. What the members themselves wish to be categorized as is irrelevant.

Am I wrong to say that an overwhelming majority of reliable secondary sources refer to them as a boy band and not a vocal group? Any objections to changing it to boy band? Bennv3771 (talk) 04:03, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

They are a vocal pop group per common sense (which we are allowed to have here) along with the fact they are approaching middle age and have plenty of reliable sources showing they sing, harmonize and produce pop hits. However, per RS also, it would be fair to say they were formed as a boy band. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 12:31, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Yes, of course by common sense they can be called a "vocal pop group," but we can call them lots of things using common sense (including "boyband"), so why the uncommon "vocal pop group" specifically? A quick google search yields zero reliable secondary sources referring to them as such, while such sources still refer to them and their contemporaries as boy/girl bands regardless of age. Reliable sources that they can sing, harmonize and produce pop hits are still not reliable sources using the term "vocal pop group" to describe them. We have to infer from those sources that that's what they are. If there were no common term used to describe them, then such a "common sense" inference would make sense. But there is such a term (i.e. "boy band") that encapsulates all that and more, yet we aren't using it...why? Even if reliable sources do exist that call them a "vocal pop group", they are a small minority. It seems strange that they are introduced in their article by a term here that isn't used elsewhere. Shouldn't wikipedia terminology reflect common usage? Bennv3771 (talk) 13:02, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

In fact, the intro seems to go out of its way to use that uncommon term by adding a citation (an unreliable primary source at that) to justify using the term. Seems like an acknowledgment that it isn't what readers would expect them to be called..and thus maybe it isn't that "common sense" after all. If it were changed to "boy band", there would be no need to justify usage of that term with sources. Bennv3771 (talk) 13:27, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

I'll stand by what I said previously. We don't have to "go out of our way" to state the obvious. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 13:54, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

I'm not disputing that they aren't a vocal pop group. But they are also a boy band. While both are "obvious", one is common terminology and the other is not. My question is why the opening sentence calls them a "vocal pop group" over "boy band". The former being obvious still doesn't explain why it's used over the even more obvious "boy band". And regardless, the current source should be removed. Bennv3771 (talk) 14:14, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

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Records sold

Closest claimed record sales to their certified units, and properly sourced, is 100 million records sold, as List of best-selling music artists states. Two Wikipedia articles contradicting each other is unhelpful. The units certified (72M) is 55% of 130M. CC: @Krystaleen:. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 17:24, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

I don't know, I don't think it contradicts that much for it to matter. The 130 million figure has a reliable source cited and there are multiple reliable sources out there mentioning the same figure. Lots of artists on that best selling list has a different figure listed on their main page because that list has an arbitrary rule that doesn't apply elsewhere. I'd love if more editors can give their thoughts about this.--Krystaleen 14:06, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

The 130 million should not be used here either. Their worldwide available certified sales stand at 72 million. In order for a sales figure as high as 130 million to be true, a band that has started charting in 1995, should have at least 90-100 million certified units available. Such, however, isn't the case. Reliable sources publish inflated figures all the time, this is nothing new to me or anybody else who's been closely analyzing music sales.--Harout72 (talk) 14:21, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Exactly. You explained it better than me. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 16:59, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

I understand that it kind of seems inflated but again, it's backed up by a reliable source and therefore shouldn't be a problem. It's never a problem before and still not a problem in other artists' article, so why is this suddenly a problem here? And getting some input from an editor who's neutral would be nice. Harout is a great editor but he's the one who maintains that list and if I'm not mistaken the one who came up with that rule so of course he'd prefer that. That said, I'm open to suggestions.--Krystaleen 01:46, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Pinging other users for their opinions. @SNUGGUMS, Richard3120, and Ss112: Cornerstonepicker (talk) 03:22, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Per Harout72 and Cornerstonepicker, go with 100M as it has a legitimate source AND goes with something that isn't inflated. It's sad how otherwise trustworthy publications sometimes give unrealisitically high figures, and can sometimes be hard to determine whether they give plausible numbers, but we can't go with the far-fetched claims here. Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:53, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

I agree with SNUGGUMS, go with the 100 million figure. That's sourced and closer to the total available certified units. I thought we went with the practice of citing the total certified units (or the more realistic amount closest to that figure) all over Wikipedia. Ss112 05:27, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

If that's the case then ok go ahead then. If you could also fix the other boy bands and girl bands claimed sales it'll also be greatly appreciated. Most are horribly inflated too last time I checked. E.g. Korean boy bands and Spice Girls.--Krystaleen 08:51, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

It should be 130. There are reliable sources and this was never a problem before. Why with this band only? I would be willing to bet a lot that they have sold over 130M. Certified sales are definitely not the be all end all of proof. Album certifications are not as well. Millennium should be more than 13x platinum as it is under-certified. And so on. I can't believe the edit was made to 100M. Smfh akujy (talk) 00:53, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

The Sade reference is wrong

They were the first to top 10 chart their first NINE albums since Sade. They are the first to top ten chart their first 10 albums since Led Zeppelin (69-82). A quick Google search or a read through the Billboard's site will provide confirmation and a reference. akujy (talk) 00:19, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

New sub-section

There should be a new subsection created for the period of no more than 2019 - Present. The Title would be DNA and return to World Tours, or something among those lines, closing 1.10 as "2015–2018: Dead 7 film and Las Vegas residency." I think DNA for sure marks a new period and deserves its own section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akujy (talk • contribs) 20:05, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Members

Kevin Richardson came back in 2012, when was he in the group in 2010-present during the second half of This Is Us Tour and the rest of NKOTBSB Tour?108.46.251.85 (talk) 02:15, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Is the "Chances" draft ready to be moved to mainspace?

Since no one has responded at the album's talk page, I thought that I would be able to gain consensus here. Recently I've been working on the draft for the song "Chances" here. However, the draft was constantly declined and eventually rejected, due to the lack of the song's notability from various sources. I have just discussed this issue at the Teahouse here [1], which the editors there stated that the draft's rejection would be able to be overturned if the editors here are able to gain consensus to move the draft to the mainspace. Although there are several sources that don't fully establish the song's notability even if it was moved to the mainspace, I hope that it would lead to more editors being able to contribute towards the article to gather more notable sources.

If anyone is willing to participate in this discussion, can you state the reason why the draft should be moved to mainspace if you Move, or whether several elements of the draft should be moved to the album article or temporarily kept as a draft if you Keep. — Angryjoe1111 (talk) 08:37, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Move: The song has charted on the official singles charts in three notable markets including Germany, Canada, Switzerland. It should have its own separate page. Those editors objecting the move, should perhaps establish a wide consensus all across wikipedia for all singles charting in less than five markets, should not be considered notable enough to have their own pages. As far as I'm concerned no such or similar rule yet exists. We have countless number of singles on wikipedia that also have not had success, but they do have their own articles.--Harout72 (talk) 16:07, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Filmography

Weren't the boys on The View twice?108.46.251.85 (talk) 04:18, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

They did have a few videos that were sold by Burger King in the Late 90's-2000's. I don't remember the names of them. They were concert videos. 2601:482:457F:FF10:AD89:CBF9:75BB:B850 (talk) 21:52, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

It's called For the Fans 71.105.142.132 (talk) 03:36, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Tour changes

Why was the Backstreet Boys: Live In Concert Tour Page deleted? 108.46.251.85 (talk) 13:57, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Events

may i ask why the subheading cruises was removed? isn't this enough for resources?

Cruises/Events

• 1st Cruise - December 9–13, 2010
• 2nd Cruise - December 2–5, 2011
• 3rd Cruise (20th anniversary) - October 25–28, 2013
• 4th Cruise - October 24–27, 2014
• 5th European Cruise - May 10–14, 2016
• 6th Cruise (25th anniversary) - May 3–7, 2018
• Backstreet's Back At The Beach - April 18–21, 2024

71.105.142.132 (talk) 04:20, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

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Sudden Edits

The band did had another endorsement back in 2022, Expedia, that they lost due to the allegations:

In October 2022, the group released their first holiday album, A Very Backstreet Christmas. It reached number 17 on the US Billboard 200 charts and number 1 on the Billboard Holiday charts. The first single from the album, "Last Christmas," hit number 1 on the Billboard AC charts, and the second single, "Christmas in New York," reached number 19. A related television special, "A Very Backstreet Holiday," was pulled from ABC airing and streaming debuts Hulu and Disney+, as well as having their holiday promotion for MeUndies and endorsment deals such as expedia and Roblox drop, after sexual assault allegations against Nick Carter, who has since filed a defamation lawsuit.

And AJ McLean did announce that the band was planning to record a new album, rerecord some of their original songs and personal favorites that were supposed to be their 25th anniversary album in 2018, and doing something big in 2025 that he credited his ex-wife for. These plans, including a mix of new music and revisiting their classic hits, are a testament to the band's enduring popularity and commitment to evolving their sound while staying true to their roots.

In September 2023, McLean teased that the group planned to record a new album. he stated that they rerecorded some of their original hits and personal favorites after having a record with 13 songs on it that was supposed to come out on their 25th anniversary (2018) and they are doing something big for 2025 which was his ex-wife's idea.

Is there a problem with the previous info? 96.246.43.95 (talk) 19:47, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

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Serious Event Updates

Is there a problem with the previous info? The band did have another endorsement back in 2022, Expedia, that they lost due to the allegations:

In October 2022, the group released their first holiday album, A Very Backstreet Christmas. It reached number 17 on the US Billboard 200 charts and number 1 on the Billboard Holiday charts. The first single from the album, "Last Christmas," hit number 1 on the Billboard AC charts, and the second single, "Christmas in New York," reached number 19. A related television special, "A Very Backstreet Holiday," was pulled from ABC airing and streaming debuts Hulu and Disney+, as well as having their holiday promotion for MeUndies and endorsment deals such as expedia and Roblox drop, after sexual assault allegations against Nick Carter, who has since filed a defamation lawsuit.

Looking ahead, AJ McLean has exciting news to share. The band is planning to record a new album, rerecord some of their original songs and personal favorites that were supposed to be their 25th-anniversary album in 2018, and doing something big in 2025 that he credited his ex-wife for. These plans, including a mix of new music and revisiting their classic hits, are a testament to the band's enduring popularity and commitment to evolving their sound while staying true to their roots. It said so at the bottom:

In September 2023, McLean teased that the group planned to record a new album. he stated that they rerecorded some of their original hits and personal favorites after having a record with 13 songs on it that was supposed to come out on their 25th anniversary (2018) and they are doing something big for 2025 which was his ex-wife's idea. 96.246.43.95 (talk) 03:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

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