Talk:Bishnupriya Manipuri

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The following is the former article Bishnupriya Manipuri language, which now redirects to here. Since subject, content and author seemed to be the same, but Manipuri (Bishnupriya Language) was longer, I put all material here. -- Mkill 20:32, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

The Manipuri (Bishnupriya Language) or Bishnupriya Manipuri language (also known as BPM or BM) is highly influenced by the Sanskrit and Maharastri as well as Sauraseni Prakrits, though some words of the Hindi language of Northern India , some demoting terms of Meitei and Assamese language and a little influence of Bengali language are incorporated in the BM language.

Bishnupriya Manipuri has two dialects, namely,(1). Rajar Gang ( Kings Village) and (2). Madoi Gang ( Queens village ).

Bishnupriya Manipuri was originally confined only to the surroundings of the Lake Loktak in Manipur. The principal localities where this language was spoken are now known as Khangabok, Heirok, Mayang Yamphal, Bishnupur, khunan, Ningthankhong, Ngakhong, Thamnapoxpi and so on. However, later a great majority of speakers fled away from Manipur and took refuge in Assam, Tripura, Sylhet and Cachar during eighteen and nineteenth century due to internal conflicts among the prices of Manipur and due to Burmese attack. Consequently, it was difficult for the small number of Bishnupriyas who remained in Manipur to retain their language in face of the impact of Meitei, although Dr. G.A. Grierson, in 1891 found the existence of a considerable number of speakers in two or three villages near Bishnupur, locally known as Lamangdong.( LSI, Vol -V, Page 419). This Language is now spoken in parts of Assam, Tripura, Manipur( Jiribam Sub-division) in India ,in Bangladesh, in Burma and some other overseas countries.

The Bishnupriyas also claim that they have their own scripts that is Devanagari Scripts which was used to write Bishnupriya language till 1627 A.D. W.Shaw and Raj Mohan Nath , two eminent scholars are of the view that " Bishnupriya " with its Devanagai script had been the court language of Manipur and was replaced by king Khagenba. R. M.Nath says "so in Manipur in spite of Devanagari scripts which the kala-chaias might have been using, the Meitai when they came into power introduced the new scripts."

Signature of the original author

This one does not belong into the article, so I move it here for reference:

Compiled by
Ashim Kumar Singha
E-mail: ashim2000k@yahoo.com

-- Mkill 20:37, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

npav(?)

umm... seriously... look at this article. It talks about how "the orthodox bishnupriyas claim..." (!), and there is an _entire section_ called "not a dialect of assamese or bengali". --24.251.68.181 06:07, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Learning Bishnupriya Manipuri

This site offers phrases in Bishnupriya Manipuri http://www.languageshome.com/English-Bishnupriya_Manipuri.htm

Number of people using Bishnupriya Manipuri

To count the accurate figure we should not rely on census of India or Census of Manipur. The Govt. of Manipur is working against the Bishnupriyas in Manipur. They have lost the case against the Bishnupriyas in the Supreme Court of India who recognized Bishnupriya Manipuri language and community in a landmark judgment in March 8, 2006. Also the 1961, 1971, 1991, 1991 census data of India was full of fake and imaginable information's on Bishnupriya Manipuri population. It seems that the census authority had been guided by a mischievous force all through.

1) In 1961, Indian census authority recorded only 1(one) lady in place of nearly 22,000( twenty two thousand) population in Patharkandi. 2) In 1961, Indian census authority recorded only 13(thirteen) male in place of nearly 20,000( twenty thousand) population in Tripura. 3) In 1961, Indian census authority recorded * only 15,155 in place of nearly 66,000( sixty six thousand) population in Cachar. 4) In 1971, BPM population of Assam increases to 33591 from 15,169. The rate of increase is population is 121.46 which is unimaginable.

So the census data of India or Manipur is not reliable. There are many other surveys guided by organizations like SIL, BRAAC, BMCP, BMSU etc. which can be reliable source of data.

Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.189.230.2 (talk) 12:40, 5 March 2007 (UTC).

Large number of articles in Bishnupriya Manipuri Wikipedia

I'm curious...does anyone know how so many articles got there? It's amazing (and a little strange) that a language with only 400,000 speakers has over 10,000 articles on its Wikipedia. 24.250.254.181 13:06, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your question. I am an admin on Bishnupriya Manipuri wikipedia. I am involved with this process to create articles. Even we have fewer speakers but lot to cover. English Wiki has near about million, and I wish I would translate all. Please keep visiting Bishnupriya Manipuri Wikipedia, and give your valuable thoughts.Usingha 00:52, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Why should it be strange that a language with 400,000 speakers would have a Wikipedia with over 10,000 articles? If you were to do a quick check on the Wikipedias in the 10,000+ category you'd find several with less than 400,000 speakers, Icelandic for instance, Welsh, Luxemburgish etc. --Dresib (talk) 23:47, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

82.247.142.88 (talk) 20:53, 18 March 2010 (UTC) . I am also surprised to see so many articles in "Bishnupriya Manipuri". u r indeed a great inspiration. Congratulations and best of luck.

Display of characters isn't working

I can't get the characters to display on my computer. Apparently these users can't either. Any suggestions? —ScouterSig 20:46, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

I know that there are places to download certain scripts and some Wiki articles have links to these places. It would certainly nice if a link was provided in the article to where this script could be downloaded. Helixer (talk) 02:50, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

If you're on a mac, this font will work. Kaldari (talk) 18:06, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Inaccurate

The language slowly started losing its ground in Manipur against a vast majority of Meiteis and is slowly facing its decay in Cachar and Bangladesh against a vast majority of Bengali-speakers. Text in bold is nor correct. Rajkumarrishi1 (talk) 06:18, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Society section

There is currently a section called "Society" which seems to describe a culture associated with the Bishnupriya Manipuri language. If there is a distinct culture, it should have a separate Bishnupriya Manipuri people article. The material does not belong in the article about the language. Kaldari (talk) 18:11, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 21 March 2023

Restored correct version omitting false information (e.g. 'Bishnupriya Meitei' is a wrong term as it is stated in the current version, Bishnupriya Manipuri are never called as Meitei) This version is free of all the false data. Dipita Sinha (talk) 20:24, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:21, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

it is true. Nowhere that 'bishnupriya meitei' is found. it wrong and need to be corrected. 119.30.47.60 (talk) 02:24, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Lect

In accordance to sociolinguistics, the term "Lect" avoids the problem in ambiguous cases of deciding whether a certain speech form is a distinct language or a dialect of a particular language. Haoreima (talk) 11:42, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

the User:Haoreima should be banned from editing this article

it seems https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Haoreima this user is a meitei. there is a ongoing conflict between the meiteis and bishnupriya manipuris on the nomenclature 'bishnupriya manipuri'. this user has been trying to distort the original version of this article for a long time of period. the language name 'bishnupriya manipuri' strongly defended by the high court of Guwahati, India and later by the supreme court of india.

check this link: https://www.telegraphindia.com/north-east/manipuri-stays-with-bishnupriya/cid/815356

meiteis are trying to distort the identity and status of bishnupriya people. this is not a good practice. they should live and let others live in peace. 103.178.221.55 (talk) 20:05, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Meiteis distorting our existence

wikipedia, me being a Bishnupriya Manipuri knows my origin and what to put it forward for the world but some silly backward minded meiteis who doesn't belong to our community is trying to distort our existence. Kindly stop their up address to do so Arnab Sashi (talk) 20:25, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Arnab Sashi - Wikipedia is not interested in who you are, where you are from, what religion/community/caste/language group you are, what you "know", or even what you have found out.
Wikipedia is only interested in what has already been published in reliable, independent sources published by a body with a reputation for fact-checking - No blogs, no self-published sources, no bodies with a conflict of interest, no promotional sites.
These sources must be properly cited in order to support any information added to, or changed in our pages, so the information can be verified as true in the future.
Your only edit to this page was to delete 8 references, and the associated information, and to add multiple unsourced claims, which is why your edits were, quite correctly, reverted.
Please do not attack other editors, delete references and referenced information, or add unsourced claims. - Arjayay (talk) 20:52, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

@Arnab Sashi: I've reverted your massive changes to the WP:STABLE well sourced version. Please discuss and seek WP:CONSENSUS here per WP:BRD. I'm pinging the person who did the majority overhaul @Haoreima:. Also pinging @Chaipau, Pepperbeast, and Arjayay: for opinion. Thanks. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:23, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Fylindfotberserk, i am just curious about on what basis are you reverting my edits. The edits made by me aren't any test edit. This is a serious matter for an entire community as you are allegedly using Bishnupriya Meitei even after the judgement of Supreme court of India. This is a serious matter and it needs to be resolved as soon as possible. I want to have a sort of debate on this entire regarding the building of this web page and the sources you cited. Kindly leave a message in my talk. And pls put forward your argument @Arjayay @Hoareima Arnab Sashi (talk) 10:51, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Please put forward your argument to quote Bishnupriya Meitei with valid reasons and proofs Arnab Sashi (talk) 10:53, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Have no hesitation to open an WP:RFC instead of removing reliable sources to put your favorite version. I am not just talking about you only. It has been seen that many newly created accounts doing similar edits in the past, like you did today. I don't mean they're related to you, but please be aware of abusing multiple accounts. Haoreima (talk) 11:01, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Arnab Sashi: I've already explained more than once about my actions. Reiterating again, you have removed sourced content that is part of the WP:STABLE longstanding version, because of your personal opinion. We do not do that in Wikipedia. In case of disagreements, we discuss in the talk page and seek WP:CONSENSUS. That's the basic protocol here. I've pinged people who were responsible for the major overhaul. Wait for their comments. And do not modify it in the meantime. If you do, it will be considered edit warring, hence blockable. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:04, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Thankyou for responding, kindly open a WP:STABLE Arnab Sashi (talk) 11:08, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Haoreima , I am politely being asking you kindly provide me what reliable resources you are taking about and how did you quoted the word Bishnupriya Meiteis? I am curious to know. Kindly provide me the valid source. Thankyou Arnab Sashi (talk) 11:05, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

You are not polite. You already called an ethnic group as "silly backward minded". Please read WP:RELIABLE. I did not add anything unsourced or uncited. Please open WP:RFC if you want third party involvement, without pinging/mentioning any specific people of anyone's interest. Haoreima (talk) 11:10, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

@Arnab Sashi FYI, the information that I added have sources from Routledge, Oxford University Press, Australian National University, Bloomsbury Publishing, etc., not from blogspot or WordPress. Haoreima (talk) 11:42, 4 April 2024 (UTC)