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Student Evaluation

This article is very informative and neutral in its tone. In addition, it would help to hear more perspectives from indigenous people rather than white American explorers or people who were in contact with the native people. There isn't a push towards one side of the story, but the article could benefit from introducing more parties' perspectives to the mix. The structure of the article is very easy to follow. I wish separate sections were talking about how each European nation's relation with the Chickasaw people because a lot of it is American-dominated. Most of the citations I checked out were are all relevant and helpful. EcholsI (talk) 18:10, 14 April 2024 (UTC) EcholsI

Untitled

Moved because root Chickasaw was empty. --ObscureAuthor 05:13, 29 Aug 2003 (UTC)

This snippet about Chickasaw traditional religion is odd in the article without more information. I put it here in hopes that someday somebody will build on it for the article. --Kevin Myers 21:16, Jan 24, 2005 (UTC)

Question: Is membership matrilineal, like in the Seminole tribe? (asked by 67.180.54.116 , August 6, 2005) Pollinator 00:55, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Traditionally, yes. (answered by 129.244.133.105, Nov 10, 2005) Pollinator 00:53, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

this is a load of buul shit none of it helps on research we need religion up here

Where did this stuff about 13% Chickasaw blood needed for membership come from? My wife's got a card, and was senior accountant for the tribe for a while, and I've never heard this. Please provide a source for this assertion. If not, we should remove it. -Syberghost 20:19, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I DID remove the silly statement about 13% Chickasaw blood needed for membership...I'm an enrolled voting member of the Chickasaw Indian Nation, and my Certificate of Degree of Indian Blood says I'm 1/16. I believe the criteria for membership is to prove descendance from someone who appears on the Dawes census. MA 11/25/06

They need to have stricter criteria for membership. Theres nothing but white folk in my tribe.

That may be, but this talk page is reserved only for discussion about improving the article. -kotra 00:33, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

"related groups" info removed from infobox

For dedicated editors of this page: The "Related Groups" info was removed from all {{Infobox Ethnic group}} infoboxes. Comments may be left on the Ethnic groups talk page. Ling.Nut 23:08, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

No vacancy?

Anybody heard of the Chickasaw Lands Tenancy Act? Or is it pure fiction? Trekphiler (talk) 15:29, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Never heard of it. Rob (talk) 21:11, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

External Link

Hello, there is an article here, http://www.encyclopediaofalabama.org/face/Article.jsp?id=h-1487, that might be useful.

Thanks,

Justin --Duboiju (talk) 20:08, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

John Herrington

Has anyone gathered much information on him? I deal with on a day to day basis and would like to start a project if anyone is interested?24.116.196.18 (talk) 04:26, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

There is an article on John Herrington; if you need more information on him than is there, I'd ask at Talk:John Herrington.

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Migration story

They seem to be "said" to have a migration story. [1], on the other hand their website says they do.[2] Doug Weller talk 15:18, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: ARCN 111 Archaeology of the Americas

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 26 March 2024 and 3 June 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): EcholsI, Nat McDermott, CCNorthfield (article contribs). Peer reviewers: Henryp011, Commonsj, Redalligator3.

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Student Evaluation

This article provides a lot of valid information about the Chickasaw people. I did notice a lot of focus on treaties signed with the United States government, and not a lot about interactions with other indigenous groups or people from other countries. I think being able to find and provide some of that information could be very interesting and useful, because I agree that right now it seems somewhat white dominated. Besides that, I agree that it has a neutral tone, I just think that providing more perspectives could be very useful. Nat McDermott (talk) 01:15, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Origin Story

The history section is a bit lacking here. I can contribute the origin story, but I don't know how to format it to meet Wikipedia's standards. I'm Chickasaw and the version I've formed is from what I heard orated and what I've read from various sources... it actually begins with the Choctaw; the Chickasaw and Kasihta (and possibly Creek as atested by the Kasihta?) split from the Choctaw once they reach Alabama / Mississippi. If someone can help with formatting I'd be happy to share.

~~~ Princemasali (talk) 07:00, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

@Princemasali: If you can add your suggested edit below my comment here, along with the relevant sources where you gleaned this information, I think that I can help you with the proper format. Let's give it a try, but please be sure to cite the sources that you used for all relevant facts.Davidbena (talk) 12:58, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

No problem! All of my sources are contained within "Chickasaw Society and Religion" by John Swanton if you'd like to read them, pages 2-8 which may be readable for free with a preview on Google Books. Swanton also serves as one, with a lot of the specific places mentioned coming from his account. As I said, this version is roughly structured from what I heard growing up, some information from the sources, and an assumptions on my part which I'll explain in parentheses (along with non-English words). Thanks.

"Once lived an archaic people of the far west.

There was much war, and our ancestors wished to live in comfort, to have a country of their own, to be sovereign and free. They split from part of their culture and headed eastward.

Accompanying them was Panti’, “cat-tail”, the Ofi’ Tohbi’ Ishto’ (Big White Dog); and a sanctified divining pole, the Kohta’ Falaya’ (Long Pole), blessed by an oracle. The dog would scout the land ahead and warn of potential enemies and protect the camp while the pole was planted in the ground in hopes of guiding the tribes’ direction, as Aabiniili’ (sitting-above; God) leaned it ever which way the morning after their nightly war dance. Whichever way the Kohta’ Falaya’ swung was the direction they went, and, traveling in this manner, fighting their way through the entire way; hardships were common. Sickness was treated by rest and herb-steeped water. Snake bites were healed by the lick of Panti’. Their foodstuffs consisted of caught game, blue or shuck banana bread and cold tambota flour.

Eventually, they reached a large body of water - the Ok-hata icto (Big Ocean), recognized now as the Okhotsk Sea, and sighting land across its bay soon devised rafts to cross the Bering Strait.

Sailing only as the waves ebbed and not flowed, our ancestors reached the tundras of modern-day Alaska, heading southward into Montana, where they remained for a long time.

Soon the fervor of exploration overtook once again -

Part of the council wished to travel the continental interior of Turtle Island. It was agreed that some people would stay while some would go, and our ancestors followed the latter: forming the Choctaw (< here's the assumption, which I included for simplicity and flow of the story. They may have been nameless here, with the Chahta' forming once they traveled.). The vast forests of the American northwest gave way to the great sprawling prairie country. Panki’ would chase down prey such as deer, chickens, turkeys, squirrels, fish for food while chasing away predators like panthers and packs of wolves. They continued onwards, surrounded on all sides by hostility, yet guided by their trusted Panki’ and watchful Aabiniili’ to

The mighty Sakti’ Lanfa’ Okhina’ - the Mississippi -

and the river’s rapids were much more daunting than those of the Big Ocean - many days were spent deliberating on the designs and constructions of their rafts and canoes. Panti’ was ever vigilant in ensuring the tribe never found themselves somewhere they couldn’t escape, yet the dog was tragically lost crossing the Mississippi into Alabama. It was believed he was sucked down into a large sink hole and remained down there, as the sound of distant dog howling came just before each evening at camp, and many boys were sent as runners with offerings of scalps to discard into the hole. The lands were treacherous, as many disappeared along the path from the sinkhole to the tribes encampment, likely slain by intunpa (enemy). This land near present-day Huntsville, AL was rife with instability for both the tribe and the Kohta’ Falaya’, which remained unsettled. Disagreement brewed among the people at what all these happenings may signify, and a tribe called the Kasihta scattered east to join the Creek; the Chikasha’ - a proto-Muskogean word for “rebel” - were initially only another Iksa’ (clan) within the Choctaw, yet stuck out on a similar path to the Kasihta - against the council’s verdict to stay.

“Hamonockma, ikia ahnishke, chickasha!”

(Halt, follow them not; they are rebels!) proclaimed the old head Minko’ (chief)

And so those loyal to him remained the Choctaw - settling where the pole was claimed to have stood perfectly still, in the ordained Promised Land of Life, until 1838. The Chikasha’ went on to reach the Alabama or Tennessee River before backtracking to the Chickasaw Old Fields and founding Yaneka’ “the most southern old town”.

Takcha’! (End)."

All of the sources are listed in the index [Swanton, James (account by Zeno Mccurtain); Malone, James H. (account by Hon. Charles D. Carter); Henry Schoolcraft] except for one, mentioned as Warren in the text. Princemasali (talk) 05:44, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

@Princemasali: I understand this to be a transmission of the "Chickasaw Oral History." Perhaps it would be better to condense the main points of this oral history. What do you think? Does the author, John Swanton, give an introduction as to from whom he heard the recounting of this oral history? You have mentioned the names of the people who transmitted these accounts. Are these accounts all identical, or have they been conflated in your story? Davidbena (talk) 02:12, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I figured it would be heavily condensed. He gives a short introduction for each source. The accounts are largely similar, the final two have the most additional detail. They contradict most when the home land is reached, with which tribe was splitting from who and what way they went... I can look further into this, however I figured the specifics there weren't too important and likely to be culled when condensed Princemasali (talk) 11:56, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

@Princemasali: The more that I think about this, I have the feeling that the oral history, or legends, that you so deftly provided could be made into a separate Wikipedia article and added to the collapsible window entitled "Chickasaw", and which you can access and see at the bottom of this article. We can add a heading there called "Legends" where a link to the article will appear. There is currently something like this already for the Cherokee. See their page and scroll down to the bottom.Davidbena (talk) 00:37, 14 August 2024 (UTC)