Talk:Coll

Traigh Mhor

Isn't this the name of the 'big beach' on Tiree? Could the photo actually be of Crossapol bay grid reference NM140530 ?---JBellis 20:28, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Oops! The photo is my own and is definitely Coll not Tiree, but your comment has sent me scurrying for the map to check the name. And you are right: it is not Traigh Mhor. But it's not Crossapol either, it is the beach to the north of it "Traigh Feall". I will update the caption and the notes on the image page. Thanks Thruston 10:06, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

It means "big beach" in Gaidhlig. --MacRusgail 16:56, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Calmac link

The link says Caledonian MacBride (!!!) but I've no idea how to change it. Should be Caledonian MacBrayne but Calmac will do. The Mantis 11:52, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Did name

Does "Coll" gave the name MacColl (ex: Ewan MacColl)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChOmuno (talk • contribs) 09:22, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

According to McColl (surname) it is a surname of Irish origin, although no reference is provided. The island of Coll is most associated with Clan Maclean and McColl is not listed as one of their septs, so in most cases I doubt there is a direct link. Ben MacDui 10:59, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

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Clan Maclean/Maclaine template.

Theirishslave (talk) 06:30, 9 May 2018 (UTC)The clan Maclean template included in this article is completely out of place on this page. The article accurately explains that the Macleans of Coll were an independent clan of Clan Maclean of Duart, however the template shows the Castle from the crest of Maclean of Mull, with the motto "Virtue mine Honour". The crest from the Maclean of Coll coat of arms (matriculated 1802) is a battle-axe between cypress and laurel in saltire. The motto is either "Altera Merces' or "Virtus Durissima Terit". There are correct public domain images on the web that should replace the current, but would like to hear opinions from anyone who disagrees.

If you can find a more suitable image I have no objection. Citations would be useful for any new material. Ben MacDui 07:03, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

What's it called?

Which is correct? Coll, Isle of Coll, isle of Coll, or the island of Coll? For example, in the sentence: Breachacha Castle, on the island of Coll, was held by the MacDonalds,Shipsview (talk) 21:31, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Rǫgnvaldr Guðrøðarson, King of Coll and other Islands

Rǫgnvaldr Guðrøðarson, Rex Insularum (King of the Isle, Ri Inne Gall) from 1187 to 1226, is called Baile suthach síth Emhna (a praise poem addressed to him, Raghnall, King of Man. Calls Rǫgnvaldr Guðrøðarson:

§ 31: O Raghnall, o king of the island of Coll, all things can be found in your fair galley: the thin, cold wine of the Swan takes the anxiety of the ocean away from the crew. […]

with mention of the Isle of Mull: § 49: O son of Godred of the field of the island of Mull, your field will capture our attention; you take victory-spoils from Tráigh Bhaile [in Islay?] of the bright-ships to the shores of your house.

Obituary

I reverted an edit about an obituary and posted this on the relevant user's talk page: "A lengthy obituary about a clansman may be important information in an article about that individual, perhaps also in an article about the clan. It is however quite unnecessary in an article about the island he was associated with - per WP:UNDUE." See short dialogue at User talk:Theirishslave. I am reverting it again. The history section in general is somewhat over-long relative to the information about the modern island and this addition is, in my view, over-the-top. The death of the last laird might well be worth including but no date is provided and nor is there any obvious connection with the last (uncited) sentence in this section. It is claimed it is the obituary of the "last resident Laird of Coll", although he seems to have had a son who also lived there. No name of the last laird is mentioned by Haswell-Smith, although there is a para about the sale of the island in 1856. By implication Hugh was the last resident laird. It's a bit confused and I will see if I can unearth some more information. Ben MacDui 14:36, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

From what I can gather quickly Alasdair Ruadh was not the last resident laird. This was his son Hugh, who is described as either 15th or 16th of Coll, so Alasdair Ruadh does not seem to have been 16th of Coll either, although these numberings are often various. Ben MacDui 14:55, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

I reverted the edit once again as I believe it is an important item relating to the island's history. I have found no reference regarding what is appropriate to include in an article in regards to "modern" or ancient history. Whilst his son Hugh did live on the estate and became proprietor. he spent much of his time living elsewhere and died whilst living in Helensburgh, Dunbartonshire.

With due respect, I am unsure why an edit war has broken out six years after the first inclusion of this item in the article. Only one editor has raised a problem in six years. They have been aware of the article for six years and as they proclaim themselves keen "Deletists", one would have expected action well before now if the things were so obviously cut and dried. Theirishslave (talk) 00:15, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't agree at all, but rather than further indulge in a minor edit war I have asked for some further input from WP:Scotland participants. Ben MacDui 11:16, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

The quote is out of proportion with the subject of Coll, Wikipedia:UNDUE. The time something has been in an article does not necessarily make it appropriate, right or relevant. It just means something hasn't been seen by other editors and acted upon until now. I have removed it. This article also had serious sections of unreferenced and unverifiable text. I have performed a copyedit, removed sections of history that lacked references and also probably UNDUE. I have attempted to add some references to improve the article. Coldupnorth (talk) 12:16, 29 September 2024 (UTC)