Talk:Donetsk Oblast

Russian is NOT Official language in Donetsk Oblast

Sorry, but Russian is NOT Official language in Donetsk Oblast. Neither in any oblast in Ukraine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oleg Kikta (talk • contribs) 22:35, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

It is officially recognised as regional (de facto official) in Kharkov, Donetsk, Lugansk oblasts and Crimean republic. Also it is the official language of the city of Kharkov, Donetsk, Lugansk, Sevastopol, Yalta and Odessa. --Kuban Cossack 20:50, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Kuban kazak, you wish you wish you wish. Russian is not Official language in any Ukrainian city beside Crimea. --68.32.136.151 (talk) 13:04, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes it is, as confirmed on the cities' charter. --Kuban Cossack 13:25, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

According to the 19.02.2007 decision by Appeals Court of Donetsk oblast the decision by oblast legislature to grant the status of regional language to Russian was ok (prooflink). Has this ruling been repealed? Alæxis_¿question? 14:06, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, by the Donetsk Administrative Court of Appeals. — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 17:36, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Pollution

The ecology section does not have a single mention of pollution.

G. Robert Shiplett 15:02, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Trains are almost important as cars in Donetsk Oblast

Trains are almost important as cars in Dontsk Oblast. I have been looking at google maps for the region looking for how the towns and cities are interconnected. I notice that in many places, Krasnyi-Lurch for example, the highways do not intersect the city centers. But looking at train stations and train routes, the connections between towns makes more sense.

A railway route map for the region would be useful

Robert.Harker (talk) 06:45, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Territorial control

TaivoLinguist, I don't understand why the addition of territorial control is making you revert my edits. Whether the DPR or LPR are not an "official body" doesn't matter. The facts on the ground show that almost half of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts are controlled by a self-proclaimed government other than Ukraine. Neither oblasts are going to be the same since the war broke out, so that is why I thought it would be rather convenient to see which cities are under Ukrainian and DPR control. And I'm sure others would agree with having a chart to see which areas are controlled by whom. If you haven't noticed before, Syria has their own article about cities that are controlled by different forces [1]. All that I'm asking for is one more space in the chart... SkoraPobeda (talk) 03:39, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Why *should* it be included? (and bringing up the Syria topic articles - which are frankly a huge POV mess - doesn't exactly support your case).Volunteer Marek (talk) 04:15, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

All such charts are temporary constructs and Wikipedia is not a current events source. There is no defined border for the Russian-controlled territory and no recognized government that actually has complete control over the area. If an actual agreement is reached between Kyiv and Moscow over the borders and governance of Russia's invasion zone, then your additions would be appropriate. In the mean time, they are not. --Taivo (talk) 04:17, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

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Reform in Ukraine in July 2015

nformation with categories out of date Need to create a new category. Lyman Amalgamated Territorial Community was established in 2015, it is the result of the merger of Lyman municipality and Lyman Raion

Now your scheme is Donetsk oblast'- Lyman raion and Lyman municipality

but you need Donetsk oblast'- Lyman Amalgamated Territorial Community (lYMAN ATC) Lyman ATC was established in July 2015. to the administrative territorial unit of Lyman Municipality was attached village Lyman raion.Sources in page Lyman raion--Bohdan Bondar (talk) 08:26, 6 February 2019 (UTC)--Bohdan Bondar (talk) 08:26, 6 February 2019 (UTC) http://static.rada.gov.ua/zakon/new/NEWSAIT/ADM/zmistdon.html 2. 3. Administrative divisions of Donetsk oblast--Bohdan Bondar (talk) 05:57, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of "Template:Largest cities of Donetsk Oblast"

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Citations Needed

I have somewhat reluctantly added 2 Citations Needed beside our statement that the oblast has 74.9% Russian speakers and 24.1% Ukrainian speakers, and has 21% of Ukraine's Muslims, both sets of figures currently supposedly from the 2001 Ukrainian census for the oblast, as retrieved in 2007, a source which seemingly no longer shows these figures, assuming it ever did. Unfortunately I do not have either the time or the inclination to get any further involved in a potentially highly politicized dispute, and will hopefully be playing no further part in it, though the issue may not be entirely trivial, as many of our readers may want to know whether the oblast is really 56% Ukrainian or 75% Russian or a bit of both, given that they and their loved ones seem to face at least a small risk of soon dying in a nuclear holocaust triggered by the ongoing very bloody dispute (with fighting currently seemingly centred around Lyman, in the Donetsk Oblast) over whether this oblast (and 3 other oblasts) should belong to Ukraine or Russia. Tlhslobus (talk) 13:22, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 October 2022

Russia - Ukraine 2601:246:5D80:84A0:D9B9:97E3:8265:5EA2 (talk) 23:20, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. MadGuy7023 (talk) 23:24, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

United Nations Recognizes Russia's annexation of four Ukraine regions

The UN General Assembly is supporting a resolution demanding that Russia reverse the annexation of four Ukrainian regions, thus recognizing that those four regions, including Donetsk, have been annexed by Russia.

The main article still states that the annexations are not internationally recognized, and should be updated to reflect the statements made by the UN.

https://twitter.com/zekejmiller/status/1580291074844942336 UNSpecialist (talk) 20:26, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done Tweets by random people are not reliable sources. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 20:53, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

This is not a random person. This is a White House Correspondent for AP news.

Regardless, here is a better and more direct source https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/10/1129492 2600:4040:A405:C500:BC85:18AD:38D6:589E (talk) 15:44, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done Even the title of the linked story contradicts your interpretation of it: "Ukraine: UN General Assembly demands Russia reverse course on ‘attempted illegal annexation’". ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:05, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Donetsk Oblast

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Donetsk Oblast's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "ua2021estimate":

• From Chernivtsi Oblast: "Чисельність наявного населення України (Actual population of Ukraine)" (PDF) (in Ukrainian). State Statistics Service of Ukraine. Retrieved 11 July 2021.
• From Kyiv: "Чисельність наявного населення України (Actual population of Ukraine)" (PDF) (in Ukrainian). State Statistics Service of Ukraine. Archived (PDF) from the original on 4 November 2021. Retrieved 11 July 2021.
• From Kharkiv Oblast: "Чисельність наявного населення України на 1 січня 2021 / The current population of Ukraine on 1 January 2021" (PDF) (in Ukrainian and English). State Statistics Service of Ukraine.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 01:56, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Russian spelling and pronunciation

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The discussion has been moved to a new section in the bottom, in an attempt to request RFC. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 03:52, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

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The Russian spelling and pronunciation of the oblast's name should be mentioned in the introduction of the English page, alongside Ukrainian. This wouldn't only make sense in the light of the 2022 Russian annexation of the region, but also because 75% of the population speaks Russian as their native language. This would also be more consistent, as the English article on the Lugansk oblast already mentions the Russian name, after Ukrainian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luhansk_Oblast). Schutsheer des Vaderlands (talk) 15:57, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

 Done. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 02:23, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

I undid your addition. There is MOS:LEADSENTENCE: "Avoid cluttering the first sentence with a long parenthesis containing alternative spellings, pronunciations, etc., which can make the sentence difficult to actually read; this information should be placed elsewhere." Also: The article is about the Ukrainian oblast, not about the Russian occupation. Rsk6400 (talk) 13:25, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

It isn't exactly "cluttering" by adding one other translation. The translation is also sustained by this source. The source also refers to Donetsk Oblast as a Ukrainian oblast. With 93 percent of the population speaking Russian, I believe it is definitely worth adding it. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 16:03, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@Wikiexplorationandhelping: According to WP:BRR, Once discussion has begun, restoring one's original edit without taking other users' concerns into account may be seen as disruptive., I think you should self-revert. BTW: According to WP:GS/RUSUKR, the editor who started this discussion more than a year ago, is not allowed to edit the article. Rsk6400 (talk) 07:25, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Self reversion has been done. However, I find my point still standing though, given the citation. In addition, a user is allowed to edit the talk page of a contentious article. I went through their contribution history and I have not seen them edit the article directly. Anyways, let's start an RFC, and we can go with the consensus we generate. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 08:12, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Edit warring about population numbers

@Tikimat: Would you please explain here on the talk page why you keep changing population numbers and other things ? Rsk6400 (talk) 09:23, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

Russian spelling and pronunciation (new RFC)

The Russian spelling and pronunciation of the oblast's name should be mentioned in the introduction of the English page, alongside Ukrainian. This wouldn't only make sense in the light of the 2022 Russian annexation of the region, but also because 75% of the population speaks Russian as their native language. This would also be more consistent, as the English article on the Lugansk oblast already mentions the Russian name, after Ukrainian (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luhansk_Oblast). Schutsheer des Vaderlands (talk) 15:57, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

 Done. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 02:23, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

I undid your addition. There is MOS:LEADSENTENCE: "Avoid cluttering the first sentence with a long parenthesis containing alternative spellings, pronunciations, etc., which can make the sentence difficult to actually read; this information should be placed elsewhere." Also: The article is about the Ukrainian oblast, not about the Russian occupation. Rsk6400 (talk) 13:25, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

It isn't exactly "cluttering" by adding one other translation. The translation is also sustained by this source. The source also refers to Donetsk Oblast as a Ukrainian oblast. With 93 percent of the population speaking Russian, I believe it is definitely worth adding it. I have reverted your edit. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 16:03, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

@Wikiexplorationandhelping: According to WP:BRR, Once discussion has begun, restoring one's original edit without taking other users' concerns into account may be seen as disruptive., I think you should self-revert. BTW: According to WP:GS/RUSUKR, the editor who started this discussion more than a year ago, is not allowed to edit the article. Rsk6400 (talk) 07:25, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Self reversion has been done. However, I find my point still standing though, given the citation. In addition, a user is allowed to edit the talk page of a contentious article. I went through their contribution history and I have not seen them edit the article directly. Anyways, let's start an RFC, and we can go with the consensus we generate. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 08:12, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

As the rfc is constantly malfunctioning, I will request a third opinion instead. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 16:31, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

3O Response: Would both of you accept a compromise of moving both the Ukranian and Russian translations/transliterations to an endnote using {{efn}}? voorts (talk/contributions) 00:03, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

I'm okay with that. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 00:44, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Voorts Shall we continue with the efn, or shall we wait a little more? Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 15:28, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

With no consensus being found, I have started an RFC. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 01:01, 7 February 2024 (UTC)RFC halted. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 01:24, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

@Wikiexplorationandhelping: I think it's a bit premature to start an RfC. I would recommend removing the tag. Pinging @Rsk6400: is my proposed compromise acceptable to you? voorts (talk/contributions) 01:10, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Ok done. Hopefully Rsk6400 could reply. If Rsk6400 does not reply, what should be done? Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 01:25, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

If there's no reply within 3-4 days from now (given that Rsk has been inactive for 5 days), I would say make the change to {{efn}} and if there's later an objection, I would recommend that Rsk revert and that you two follow BRD. voorts (talk/contributions) 01:29, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Ok, thank you for the advice. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 03:25, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Wikiexplorationandhelping, voorts, thanks to both of you, I think you followed the good collaborative spirit of Wikipedians. Yes, I'm OK with the compromise. Rsk6400 (talk) 07:47, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

 Done. Rsk6400, Voorts, let me know if anything should be revised in the leading section. Thank you, Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 13:44, 7 February 2024 (UTC)