Talk:History of San Marino

Tone

Isn't the tone of this article a little too... poetic? Some examples: "The history of San Marino is both very European and typical for the Italian Peninsula, and yet helps explain its unusual characteristics ..." ; "San Marino proudly asserts its independence ..." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.112.24.92 (talk) 01:31, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Which families

In the sentence:

The original government structure was composed of a self-governed assembly known as the Arengo, which consisted of the heads of each family.

Which families are referred to? Tuf-Kat

"Each family" means "Each family" to me... Every family in the country sent their "head" (i.e. their leader, i guess the pater familias, i.e. the eldest man in the family) to the assembly. This could perhaps be clarified a bit, ideally by someone who has a precise definition of family and family head in those times. 194.176.201.28 10:17, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Reason for independence

This article seems to fail to state the obvious: that San Marino never became a part of the Kingdom of Naples, and that it was again left out in Garibaldi's nation building. It would be quite interesting to know the reason for this. Sadly, none of my history books mention the country at all. -- Jao 11:25, 5 May 2004 (UTC)

1957

In 1957 it was a break in the longlasting list of Captains Regents, and a provisional government was founded for a couple of weeks. It would be interesting to learn why! --Jakro64 22:54, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)

350 Yr War with Sweden

It is mentioned on the main page that San Marino never signed the Peace of Westphalia treaties, and so was "at war" with Sweden until 1996... this is kind of an interesting historical note, and it would be great if somebody could flesh it out. The best I could get from google was confirmation that this had happened, not why, the circumstances, or any information about the "official end of hostilities." I'm sure that some diplomat made SOME kind of speech about it! Iroll 18:02, 8 Oct 2004 (UTC)

This is an utterly untrue, but well-spread, factoid. San Marino did not sign the Peace of Westphalia simply because it did not engage in the war. It has not been involved in any wars since 1463, and certainly not in any war with Sweden, ever. It seems that nobody really knows where this factoid comes from, but San Marino doesn't mind the publicity it offers, of course. There's an enlightening discussion of this in a book by Ulf Sundberg, and it has been publicized at [1], although unfortunately only in Swedish. -- Jao 11:00, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for providing a reference, and my apologies for not checking the talk page. The reason this legend seems questionable is probably because it is completely made up. It would be interesting to know why this myth is so popular, but alas, the free Swedish to English translators available are not too effective.
--JKeene (talk) 23:09, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

EU membership

I wonder why San Marino would be a member of the Council of Europe and the United Nations, and would even go so far as to negotiate an agreement with the EU to use the euro and mint its own euro coins, but would not actually join the EU. Is there any information as to whether there has been discussion within San Marino about EU membership, and why they have not pursued it? LeoO3 19:44, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

You are not the only one to be curious about this issue. I found this link: [2] and when it comes from their Secretary of State, I assume it should be considered as serious. Does anyone have more information? // 83.177.9.105 00:19, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Generally, I think european microstates are not allowed to join EU. --It.wiki:Twilight 10:37, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I believe the problem is that microstates have to have special economic relationships with their surrounding states, and those pretty much make it impossible to join the EU. Ken Arromdee 15:36, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

There is absolutely no such rule. As far as the relationship between microstate and neighbouring state is concerned, one should be aware that as Italy and San Marino make agreements nowadays, Italy is mostly acting on behalf of the EU. Then, there might be some practical problems for both the microstate and the EU if any such state joined the union. But there is certainly no other rule for San Marino than for Croatia or Albania. // 83.183.124.123 07:06, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

The story of San Marino

I removed the following. It's an inspiring, interesting story, but I'm not sure it belongs in Wikipedia. Perhaps if it were given a heading of 'The Story of San Marino', noted to be the 'national myth', integrated with the rest of the article, and connected to a citation, it could work(?).

How San Marino was saved?

It answers a question asked by more and more people following the mounting interest in San Marino since the small country took its place among the nations of Europe and the world.

The Republic is a member of prestigious international organisations such as the Conference on European Security and Cooperation, the Council of Europe where it ranks on a par with mach larger coun­tries, and, since 2 March, 1992, the United Nations Organisation. It is a sovereign state in every respect. It exchanges ambassadors and signs treaties. And the singularity of all this becomes more and more evident as new associations come into being following the fading iden­tity of national states.

A lot of people ask themselves how a tiny medieval town, similar to many others scattered throughout the Italian peninsula and the rest of Europe, was able to survive the upheavals which periodically chan­ged the political geography of Europe and remain an independent nation.

San Marino is not the chance result of history. It was not created by the whim of a potentate, king, pope or emperor. San Marino was born thanks to the efforts - extended over several centuries - of a small community which, having convinced itself that it did "not depend on anyone" - a right bequeathed by the Saint - lay claim to the recogni­tion of that right with a determination and a consistency which arouse admiration and respect.

The history of San Marino is the progression of an idea, an idea of freedom which a handful of mountain men with much extravagance and little common sense conceived in their natu­ral and cultural isolation well before the year one thousand and then went on to stubbornly defend using every means at their disposal against all those who threatened it, against the rogues, know-alls and bullies of every age who, like Machiavelli, believed only in brute force and crafty codicils until finally that idea took firm root.

A "unique pheno­menon" is how the Swiss historian, Paul Aebischer describes it, and "a human event which deserves admiration". It is exciting to delve back into the events of history, all arranged in an orderly and rational manner, to satisfy the need of the mind to understand how that idea took on concrete form and how those poor and ignorant mountain men were able to accomplish so much.

The people of San Marino confront history, even great history, in a very simple way, their decisions always based, as it were, on common sense, and with an amount of astuteness common to all human beings. What surprises is their perseverance, their determination which, for more than one thousand years, has never failed, as if the community had always been directed by a common mind, a common will, like the plan of an up-and-coming family to acquire wealth and power.

I was born in San Marino

Hey! I'm from San Marino. Iwould like give my contribute to the wiki page of San MArino . How can I contribute? Davide —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dave.conti (talk • contribs) 19:21, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

i was born in san marino

Hey! I'm from San Marino. Iwould like give my contribute to the wiki page of San MArino . How can I contribute? Davide--Dave.conti 19:37, 29 March 2007 (UTC) Well, the main San Marino page needs work, and the town aricles stink. This page could use help as well. ''[[User:Kitia|Kitia'']] 23:40, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Involvement in WW1

The WW1 page says that San Marino was involved in WW1 - anyone have any idea how? FOARP (talk) 16:38, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Sovereignty respected?

Why did Italy, especially when Fascist, bother respecting the sovereignty of such a tiny state? What was in it for Italy? This needs to be made clear in the article TASTremblay (talk) 22:14, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

They didn't bother San Marino because of the lack of:

• natural resources
• enmity
• strategic position
• street cred in over running a tiny country

The mayor of Yurp (talk) 23:08, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

San Marino entered the war on Italy's side (arguably, twice), though the article had strongly given the opposite impression. 94.193.35.68 (talk) 19:16, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

• I've rewritten a chunk of this. The claim that San Marino declared war in 1940 seems quite dubious - the Sanmarinese government later denied this through diplomatic channels, and the UK Foreign Office seems to have accepted it - they did not formally recognise neutrality, but they didn't consider there to be a state of war.

I've also removed the claim (sourced to here) that San Marino declared war on Germany in September 1944; the date given is exactly one day after the end of combat inside San Marino, and it's not mentioned in the US diplomatic papers at all. At this point, some Sanmarinese local forces were apparently used to help gather up German troops after the end of fighting, but it's not obvious if this was a police operation or a military one, or if there was any organised governmental control. It may well be true, but I think a more detailed and explicit citation is needed! Andrew Gray (talk) 22:54, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

"Sanmarinosite.com"

I'm not sure this website should be considered a reliable source. It reads more like a tourist advert written by residents than a journalistic or academic article. 94.193.35.68 (talk) 19:15, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Only?

"San Marino is the only surviving Italian microstate." Wouldn't the Vatican qualify as an Italian microstate as well? --Khajidha (talk) 19:48, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

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unfinished sentence

there is an unfinished sentence in the "Early Middle Ages and Renaissance" section "...whose feast day it was, and which afterwards has been celebrated annually in the country until .[8]" 85.31.164.11 (talk) 12:11, 4 March 2024 (UTC)