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Knox County Mayor Glenn Jacobs

I like to suggest to have Political section of the Wikipedia to move up above Wresting Section to allow easier Wikipedia and wresting sections + wresting info box to spited. A more better picture and Page of him being a Mayor (Not in WWE) title changes to his real name Glenn Jacobs (Not Kane (Wrestler) since hes a Mayor now. Thanks Political and Wresting Wiki Editors. @David O. Johnson: @Galatz: Colton Meltzer (talk) 04:31, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

I'm against moving the political section before the wrestling section for chronology issues. He's been wrestling since 1992, his political section begins with supporting Ron Paul in 2008. It may be WP:TOOSOON to discuss moving the article to Glenn Jacobs but it's something we'll probably have to think about at some point. I do agree with the picture though. I'd recommend File:Glenn Jacobs & Cliff Maloney (35617397504) (cropped).png or File:Glenn Jacobs by Gage Skidmore 2.jpg.LM2000 (talk) 04:49, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

@LM2000: i think this page also need be Extended Protected soon (The Blue Lock) , lot of vandalism riot to Political section of the page almost similar to Donald Trump page? Colton Meltzer (talk) 23:39, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

@Colton Meltzer: At this point he is much more well known as a wrestler than a mayor of a small county. He was elected by 66k people as opposed to watched by millions over the years. He is definitely more well known for his time as Kane than anything else. Check out WP:COMMONNAME. If you think it needs protection, those requests go at WP:RPP. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 12:58, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

@Galatz: I understand, but he putting his wresting career behind him to first do his Mayor role for Knox County in recent his Mayor-elect Speech. Since he said that, i would put move the Political section above Professional Wresting Section of Glenn Jacobs Wikipedia page as the Political section will be more actively work on than the Wresting section. Plus, Rename the big title Kane (wrestler) back to Glenn Jacobs.

Oh yea Glenn Jacobs Political party is in the Republican Party, and the Libertarian Party. Colton Meltzer (talk) 00:17, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

References

Sections should be ordered by chronology. See Jesse Ventura as an example: First wrestling, then acting, then politics.LM2000 (talk) 05:23, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

@Galatz: Just because he said that, its meaningless. That doesn't change what he is most well known for. Outside of professional wrestling fans and the people of knox county, no one knows he is the mayor. Plenty of people outside of those have heard of Kane and are aware of that. That is why the article should stay as is. If he were to continue in politics and become governor or senator, maybe the page name would need a move, but as is, no. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 12:58, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Only putting Political Section above Wresting Section temporarily until he no longer Mayor so that good. Colton Meltzer (talk) 20:50, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 7 August 2018

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page at this time, per the discussion below. Additionally, although a split can't be mandated or rejected by this close, it does not appear that there is consensus to split the article at this time. Please continue that discussion as necessary. Dekimasuよ! 02:33, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

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Kane (wrestler) → Glenn Jacobs – Getting this out of the way. Jacobs is currently best known for portraying a popular wrestling character, and the article of course still focuses on that character, but now that he has won political office the article will need to cover that as well. Therefore, the article title should reflect that scope, and not only his career portraying a character. 50.248.234.77 (talk) 00:45, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

• Yes He's an elected official now. Like how the Rock's page is called Dwayne Johnson since he acts under his real name, the same should apply to Kane. NDACFan (talk) 03:40, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per nominators own rationale "Jacobs is currently best known for portraying a popular wrestling character". That's WP:COMMONNAME. Major outlets like CNN, LA Times, and Sports Illustrated still refer to him as just "Kane" in their headlines.LM2000 (talk) 05:06, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose The Rock at this point is the biggest movie star and was the highest paid last year. Big difference between that and being elected mayor of a small county in Tennessee. His WP:COMMONNAME is still Kane. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 13:21, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
• Compromise - List him as Glenn "Kane" Jacobs Vjmlhds (talk) 15:19, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
  • @Vjmlhds: Based on what? Is he called that anywhere? - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 15:25, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
    • @Galatz: Just trying to find middle ground. It ain't gonna say "Kane" on his office door, but you also can't just not acknowledge it either...everybody gets something out of the deal...gotta be flexible - being rigid and strident helps no one. Vjmlhds (talk) 15:34, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
      • @Vjmlhds: But that is not the WP:COMMONNAME and per WP:NAMINGCRITERIA although it is recognizable, it fails the other 4 criteria to use in naming. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 15:39, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
        • @Galatz: You know you won't go to jail if those guidelines aren't strictly followed to the letter right? Don't be so married to minutiae...give a little to get a little. Vjmlhds (talk) 15:44, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
          • @Vjmlhds: This is a policy, not a suggested style guide. So no, its not the type of thing we just willy nilly decide not to follow because someone who doesn't understand the policy decided to suggest we move. Its a clear cut policy that should be followed. Every other such example always chooses one, and we have redirects for a reason. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 17:40, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. He is far more well known as a wrestler than a county mayor. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:17, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per COMMONNAME. As LM said, several news sites still refering him as Kane.--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 16:18, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
• Yes Yes stated earlier, Mr. Jacobs is an elected official now and will most likely be referred to as his real name for the unforeseeable future. Bold and Brash (talk) 16:46, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
  • That is WP:CRYSTAL - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 16:56, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
• Yes As long hes the "Real" Mayor of Knox County, Glenn Jacobs is an elected official now and will most likely be referred to as his real name. (I pretty sure they will not put a nameplate front of his mayor office that says Kane, but it will says Glenn Jacobs cause this main name) Colton Meltzer (talk) 20:48, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
  • will most likely sounds like crystalball. fornme its like Edge. maybe he will be known better ad Glen Jacobs thanks to hisnwork, but right now he is best known for his pro wrestling career and I dont know about a rule or policy about public charges. Time will tell us if Kane will be a Edge or a Dwayne Johnson.— Preceding unsigned comment added by HHH Pedrigree (talk • contribs)

Its not about Crystal Balls or CommonName, local sources stated his name is Glenn Jacobs as Knox County Mayor not Kane. Political does not work with "pretend" (or characters name). Beside this Mayor is on temporary thingy (4 year or more up to 8 years). If he returns back Wresting we can revert the name back)  Colton Meltzer (talk) 20:37, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

yes it is. Jacobs is best know for his time as pro wrestler under the ringname of Kane, so Kane its the common name. We dont know if he will become best known as Glen Jacobs because his work as mayor. Its not about his current name, its about his common name, like Edge. He is credited in Vikings as Adam Copeland, but he his best known as

Actually it is completely and solely about that, because those are wikipedia policies. Local government is not - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 20:57, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

• Article Split this is a great place to set a new precedent on how to deal with professional wrestling. The detailed on-screen details can be in an article here on his wrestling persona, his actual bio can be titled Glenn Jacobs and be about his entire life (with a WP:DUE coverage of his wrestling career, probably 3-4 paragraphs TOTAL). power~enwiki (π, ν) 22:12, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
• Support article split per Power. — Dale Arnett (talk) 22:27, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
• I oppose to article split. In the project we talked about how to reduce the in-universe aspect of the articles. I don't think an article split it's the solution. First, Jacobs worked for 30 years as pro wrestler, it's insane to reduce an entire career to 3-4 paragraphs. Second, what about other wrestler? Should we split Bret Hart (person) and Bret Hart (Wrestling character)? Or Hulk Hogan/Terry Bollea? Roddy Piper/Roderick Toombs? Or the former Governor Jese Ventura? --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 12:50, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

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Requested move September 2, 2018

This article should be moved to Glenn Jacobs, as he is now a mayor and that is his primary occupation. David O. Johnson (talk) 04:22, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

• We just had an unsuccessful move discussion less than a month ago.LM2000 (talk) 07:19, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

@David O. Johnson: i completely agree it should be renamed regardless to his mayor name and his Kane is known to be secondary now regardless. You can try attempt again to get the page move to rightful name which is Glenn Jacobs. It just doesn't mater sense to have Mayor Name Kane when its display 10)% Glenn Jacobs. Colton Meltzer (talk) 01:20, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

This was discussed previously and consensus was reached to keep the page as is. It should also be noted that Antonio Inoki (Kanji Inoki), Jesse Ventura (James Janos) etc. have kept their wrestling names (and their wikipedia page names) long into their political stints. Many more wrestlers went into acting (The Rock, Hulk Hogan, Roddy Piper etc.) and their wikipedia pages reflect their commonly known-by names rather than birth names. BBX118 10:55, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Antonio Inoki and Jesse Ventura both used their professional names when going into politics, unlike Kane/Glen Jacobs. The Rock's article actually uses his birth name, Dwayne Johnson, as this is how he is best known to the world. And Hulk Hogan and Roddy Piper have never achieved (or attempted to achieve) notability under their birth names so naturally their articles are not titled "Terry Gene Bollea" and "Roderick Toombs". WP:COMMONNAME absolutely applies though, Glen Jacobs has had an international television career as Kane. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹^Speak 00:49, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Let's not have any more of this "small county in Tennessee" business. It's the third by population in the state and the metropolis of East Tennessee. 24.7.14.87 (talk) 01:51, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 September 2018

Is there by any chance if someone can remove "semi-retired"? Because I looked some info and it has no info about him conforming his retirement from wrestling, he was only taken out of action due to an injury and he is still active in wrestling. 2600:1000:B03A:6169:1138:FA07:1E73:F32C (talk) 05:15, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

 Done - Nothing in the article specifically states Jacobs is "semi-retired" from wrestling. Additionally, the term "semi-retired" is extremely vague when applied to wrestling, a business in which some of the biggest names are not on the road full-time and veterans often perform (in some capacity) into their 60s. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹^Speak 20:16, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

I don't like either the semi-retired thing. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 10:28, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

I also hate it. It's WP:OR.LM2000 (talk) 23:27, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

@HHH Pedrigree: @LM2000: After Wrestlemania 34, same issue were happened at the article The Undertaker regarding retired or semi retired issue, which was resolved by User:Broken nutshell laterly. As Broken was blocked indefinitely per SPI case at 14th August 2018 so he is unable to join here, well this is not about who is blocked who is free, issue is about the elimination of the term Retired or Semi-Retired. 103.18.20.255 (talk) 14:29, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 1 November 2018

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Strong consensus against move. (non-admin closure) –Ammarpad (talk) 07:07, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

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Kane (wrestler) → Glenn Jacobs (politician) – Glenn Jacobs won political office and this article will need to cover political section mostly even if he doing small amount of wresting activity. Therefore, the Wikipedia page title should focus on his country mayor role over wresting (2nd). Colton Meltzer (talk) 06:44, 1 November 2018 (UTC) Colton Meltzer (talk) 06:44, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Survey

• Oppose - Considering nothing has changed since this was discussed a few months ago, the same applies. His WP:COMMONNAME is still Kane. Colton Meltzer really needs a good WP:TROUT. - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 11:58, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Comment Is Common Sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Colton Meltzer (talk • contribs) 20:39, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose we had a discussion a few months ago. There is no reason to have the same discussion again. I still, his common name is Kane, he his best known for his career as pro wrestler (25 years). --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 18:50, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
• Comment Glenn Jacobs has been using his real name longer than ever. Under WP:COMMONNAME should acknowledge that. @NDACFan:@Bold and Brash: @David O. Johnson: already noticed his primary role being Country mayor. Glenn Jacobs primary role is not Wresting, but a mayor. Secondary role is obviously wresting. We need to keep this accurate to date. Only choice for this page to renamed Kane (Wrestler) to Glenn Jacobs (politician). We can simply rename back to Kane (Wrestler) once hes no longer Mayor of the County plain and simple. Something new and needs to be changed. Making sure wont be another PAC incident again and making sure this discussion will last for next 30 days to make sure everyone sees it.'' Colton Meltzer (talk) 19:46, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

First, your statments is pointless. As the nominator, it's obvious you support the change. Second, it's fake, Jacobs used the stage name of Kane for 20 years, it's best known as Kane, until his election he was barely known as Glenn Jacobs, just like the rest of the wrestlers like Mark Callaway, Terry Bollea or Steven Borden. Also, it's the same discussion we had a few months ago with the same arguments and the (wrestler), (politician) was already discussed. it's pointless to start again, waht do you expect? Kill us by boring? It's the same case as Edge, his main work NOW is acting as Adam Copeland, but his most notable work it's as Edge and the article name has to reflect his whole career, no just the last few months. Again, COMMONNAME applies and he worked for 20 years as Kane. Maybe if he is elected President of the United States, I would undertsand, but not as Mayor and a so well known pro wrestling career. Imagine Sting, the musician, becomes Mayor. Would it make sense to change the article to Gordon Sumner? --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 20:05, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Over two decades of mainstream coverage as a world champion pro wrestler. Sharonaj (talk) 20:28, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. I also second that WP:TROUTing. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:35, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose. We've been here before :[1]. There's no point in retreading the same ground. David O. Johnson (talk) 22:09, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose Nothing has changed in the few weeks since we last had this discussion and Kane remains the common name here. I third that WP:TROUTing.LM2000 (talk) 23:41, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose - What do you first think of when you hear the name Glenn Jacobs and images of Glenn Jacobs? Obviously Kane as per WP:COMMONNAME. Also, he is more notable as a wrestler than as a politician. Also (yes, there is a third "also"), per the above voters, this is blatant WP:TROUTing. Hansen Sebastian^Talk 14:56, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose Yes, his seat as mayor is his primary job now, but as many pointed out, he has over 20 years of mainstream coverage as Kane, what happens if and when he loses the seat in 2 years or whatever (I don't know how politics work)? In time and if he does something noteworthy in his career, then maybe I'll agree with the proposal. Donald Trump was widely recognized as a businessman and tv personality, but he became the President of the United States and now that's what he is known most for, not saying Kane has to become president for your proposal to happen, but 20+ years as a tv personality > newly appointed mayor of a county in Tennessee. DCF94 (talk) 15:25, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose Per WP:COMMONNAME and we can leave open the slim possibility to revisit this in the future if his run as Mayor dwarfs his wrestling career in the way that Ronald Reagan's political career dwarfed his acting career. JC7V-talk 03:39, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose - We've been here before and we won't be here again. Glenn Jacobs is more commonly known as Kane than by any other name, even his real name. 111.68.115.165 (talk) 04:22, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

I've refactored the section headings. I've also removed "(Discussion to end at December 2, 2018)" from the heading; Requested move discussions generally last 1 week. power~enwiki (π, ν) 22:05, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

@Power~enwiki: I think we need have this extended to 30 days, because this move need to be seen by many. Colton Meltzer (talk) 22:12, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

No, we don't. power~enwiki (π, ν) 22:13, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

@Power~enwiki: Yea we do. 30 Days enough to gather more to oppose or support. The 2 previous one had insignificant users. Colton Meltzer (talk) 22:14, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

It seems likely this will be WP:SNOW closed even before a week. Regardless of what you say here, it will be closed after a week, per standard practice for move discussions. If you continue to object procedurally, it will likely be considered Disruptive editing. I don't see any need to argue this further; the site's policies (and community consensus on this move) are going to be very clearly against you. power~enwiki (π, ν) 22:17, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

According to [2], "there is no required length of time to wait before closing a relisted discussion." David O. Johnson (talk) 22:20, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

@Colton Meltzer: What makes you think anything has changed since Dekimasu closed this discussion so recently? - Galatz גאליץ^{שיחה Talk} 15:04, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

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Kanes new height

Hi, I just wanted to add Kanes real height to his personal details, because the 7'0" listing is only his billed WWE height. Kane is 6'7". Mikey is boss04 (talk) 18:45, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DBigXrayᗙ 19:41, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 December 2018

MattOfTheDead (talk) 11:29, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

Professional wrestling style and persona -> "Upon his debut in the WWF, Jacobs had a gimmick of a dental hygienist named Dr. Issac Yankem[222] and later Kevin Nash's Diesel character following Hall's departure to WCW in 1996." Not "Hall's departure" but "Nash's departure".

 Done – Jonesey95 (talk) 11:46, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

"Parts Unknown" claim

I've removed the claim that Kane is billed from "Parts Unknown". This is a claim that has been added and readded to the article many times over the years, but has never been properly sourced. Without wanting to be unreasonable, this claim is controversial and needs a robust source.

The sources provided are not credible. One is clearly copied from Wikipedia and another is a fantasy booking page. Additionally, the sources are not substantiated by official sources. Four extracts from the WWE website, none of them referencing "Parts Unknown": Kane's bio in 1999, Kane's bio in 2005, Kane's bio in 2013, Kane's bio now

Additionally, the text as presented suggests that Kane has regularly been billed from Parts Unknown. This is clearly not the case, so quoting this info is WP:UNDUE.

If this information is to be re-added, please specify a date on which Kane was billed from "Parts Unknown" so this can be independently verified.

McPhail (talk) 20:04, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Late to the party, but can you reference a YouTube video of he himself claiming this? He was on The Weakest Link in 2002 and says he is from "Parts Unknown". Brian (talk) 17:33, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

I wouldn't consider that evidence of him being billed from "Parts Unknown". It'd also be giving undue weight to a throwaway remark. McPhail (talk) 20:29, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

1, 2, 3 In all honesty, he was never billed from anywhere, except in all the WWE video games. Also, the reference to being billed from Decatur as Isaac Yankem points to a book site for Mankind. Do I have to buy the book to see the reference? Brian (talk) 23:18, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2021

Recommend ADDING to end of Professional wrestling career section - specifically, immediately after "On November 22, 2020 he made an appearance at Survivor Series during The Undertaker's retirement ceremony" - adding:

On Jan. 31, 2021, Kane was an unannounced entrant at the 2021 Royal Rumble (link to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Rumble_(2021)), where he entered at #18. He eliminated two participants - Dolph Ziggler and Ricochet - before being eliminated by Damian Priest at the 1:51 mark. KyleNiemi (talk) 15:21, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Please note that Wikipedia cannot be used as a source for itself per WP:CIRCULAR. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 16:32, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 February 2021

Kane is now a famous WWE Hall of Famer!! Ash99991 (talk) 15:25, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 15:36, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 February 2021

In "Sporadic Appearances" section, CHANGE: "He appeared as an entrant in the 2021 Royal Rumble for a record eighteenth time, eliminating Dolph Ziggler and Ricochet before being eliminated by Damian Priest." TO: "He appeared as a surprise entrant in the 2021 Royal Rumble, eliminating Dolph Ziggler and Ricochet before being eliminated by Damian Priest."

(NOTE: He entered AT #18. It was not his 18th appearance.) KyleNiemi (talk) 13:12, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done There's probably a better way to write that as it was supposedly his 20th appearance which is a record. But there's nothing wrong with the proposed wording either. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 20:22, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Retirement

Kane did not announce his retirement at the Hall of Fame so it's too soon to jump to the conclusion that he is retired. Goldberg for example continued to wrestle after his HOF Induction so its best to keep Kane as an active wrestler until he officially announces his retirement. 86.152.210.110 (talk) 19:16, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

I thought the exact same thing. WWE or Kane haven’t acknowledged anything about him retiring so the part stating ‘retired wrestler’ should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.249.184.124 (talk) 21:22, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Daughters

Are kane's daughters his biological children: Because I Remember Reading That They Were His Wife's Children From Her Previous Marriage So Making Them His Stepdaughtwrs. 2409:4042:4E10:D73B:0:0:EA48:1D11 (talk) 16:20, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I have read in the past that they are his step-daughters. I believe he has adopted them since. Brian (talk) 00:50, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 May 2023

Add that he is in WWE 2k23 to his Video Games bio. 98.20.153.30 (talk) 04:36, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Callmemirela 🍁 14:15, 12 May 2023 (UTC)