Talk:Mayor of London

Mayor of all of London including the City of London?

I have heard different things said about this. Can anyone clarify with a citation that the Mayor of London is also over the City? Even the Queen can't enter the City without special permission.2602:306:CC42:8340:7502:235E:E498:DC2E (talk) 01:48, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

predecessor

What was there before the post was created in 2000? Rusco 04:18, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

It was created as a new post to head up a newly-created London-wide authority, the GLA. Frankie Roberto 19:51, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Just to clarify, there had been a Greater London Council (GLC) between 1965 and 1986 covering the same area. Prior to 1965, the central part of greater London was under the London County Council. The heads of the LCC and GLC were called Leader, not mayor, as is the usual practise in British councils. Mayor has been an honorary office historically, until recently when some councils have opted to have an elected mayor. The GLC was abolished in 1986 by the then Conservative government. The leader at abolition was Ken Livingstone - now Mayor of London. Between 1986 and 2000 there was no authority covering the greater London area, all powers being devolved to the separate London boroughs. Hope that helps. Emeraude 15:18, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Respect/Left List

As on the London mayoral election, 2008 page, I have updated Lindsey German's party according to:

http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/regulatory-issues/regpoliticalparties.cfm?frmGB=1&frmPartyID=818&frmType=partydetail --Gordon (talk) 23:05, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

External links

This page is going to be a mess if there are external links to all the candidate websites... Wikipedia is not a collection of links. There's not even a vote for ken link, so I'm removing the libdem and conservative links.--Gordon (talk) 14:26, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Someone has readded these links can anyone give me advice on what should be done?--Gordon (talk) 11:11, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks to whomever cleaned up the external links. I quite agree.--Gordon (talk) 13:21, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

"Taking Office" date.

I am confused. Which is the right date of "taking office" for mr johnson? His article says 4 May, which also means he is not the mayor of london as of now, but will be mayor of london tomorrow. That is my understanding. If I am wrong, correct me. I will leave it as it is now w_tanoto (talk) 23:21, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

You're right: the controlling legislation says that terms "begin on the second day after the day on which the last of the successful candidates at the ordinary election is declared to be returned". Holgate (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 04:46, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

And for the record, the controlling legislation for elections and terms of office is here: [1] Holgate (talk) 05:06, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Date

So when exactly does Boris take office. His article said the 5th and ken's and this said the 4th. Hopeless as somebody is wrong. They all say the 4th now but is that right. Thanks, SqueakBox 17:01, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

he's not the incumbent though is he, he's the mayor elect until he takes office, chumps! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.24.224.47 (talk) 18:07, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Its the 5th. Ken leaves office on the 4th at thee nd of the daya nd Boris enters ont he 5th at the beginning of the day. Thanks, SqueakBox 18:09, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Why is it not the fourth? The legislation says the second day after the day results returned - results were returned on Friday (just!), so the first day after is Saturday and the second day after is Sunday. So my interpretation is that his term begins on Sunday, the 4th - i.e. today! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ice Gator (talk • contribs) 12:49, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

This is ridiculous, the legislation says the terms start and end on the same day (presumably at midnight The BBC says 2400BST, which is still the 4th...). Anyway it doesn't matter what the newspapers report... This is the law!

Anyway, two bbc articles concur (re when the seals of office were handed over...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7383521.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7383521.stm

I know this is largely academic, but I'm going to change it, and please don't revert it.--Gordon (talk) 15:14, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Elections in leap years

I'm removed the reference to elections taking place in leap years. It's inaccurate. In fact, the very first election took place in 2000 which was not a leap year! 163.1.247.198 (talk) 11:26, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Though your premise was correct, your example was not. 2000 was a leap year. It may be divisible by 100 buy it also divisible by 400 which makes it a leap year. 2100 will not be. I'll wait and see if there's a London mayoral election then. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Genorp (talk • contribs) 10:34, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Deposit

As the more familiar system in Britain is FPTP, can anyone clarify whether candidates need 5% of the first choice votes or whether second choice votes are also counted with reference to claiming the sufficient amount to retain their deposit? Thanks, Fieldday-sunday (talk) 12:36, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

citizen

Do you need to be a citizen of the UK or London to be elected? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.67.32.161 (talk) 11:23, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

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"Previous occupations"

I think this may be a bit misleading in Johnson's cases, as some of them he continued whilst serving as Mayor. Nick Cooper (talk) 14:50, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 6 May 2016

Sadiq kahn has been the MP for tooting since 2005... please change this is the table of mayors 2A02:C7D:A1F3:4200:988C:73EE:DBE1:58EA (talk) 20:27, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

No the above edit should not be made. In fact Khan should be removed entirely from the list until the results are announced and are official. So I request the removal of Khan from the list until the results are officially announced.Sport and politics (talk) 20:33, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

As well as waiting for the results, we should probably also wait for him to actually take office. Does anyone know if this is immediate? Cordless Larry (talk) 20:36, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

I've updated the section. Please contact the protecting admin @Ymblanter: for removal of the entire section. Nakon 20:37, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

The mayor-elect does not take post of Mayor until the completion of a ceremony where they will sign a declaration accepting the office of Mayor of London. Sport and politics (talk) 20:39, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

That ping won't have worked as it was added after your post was signed, Nakon, so I am pinging Ymblanter myself. According to the BBC, "We are expecting his victory to be announced shortly, once all the second preference votes have been counted, but until then Boris Johnson is still, officially the Mayor". Cordless Larry (talk) 20:41, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I see that the section has now been temporarily removed. Nakon 20:42, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

I will likely be sleeping when they announce the results, any admin should feel free to unprotect the page if needed.--Ymblanter (talk) 21:14, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Can we please double-check that Khan will take office immediately before installing him on the page, though? Cordless Larry (talk) 21:16, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Sure. We need consensus of editors to unprotect the page anyway.--Ymblanter (talk) 21:23, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Further protected edit request

I have noticed that the "List of Mayors" section of the article still has Sadiq Khan listed as incumbent, and this is technically incorrect as the result hasn't yet been officially announced. Could you correct this please since I am unable to edit it due to full protection? Thanks, LoudLizard (📞 | contribs | ✉) 20:38, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

 Done, commented out--Ymblanter (talk) 20:41, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 7 May 2016

add Sidiq Khan 86.186.207.132 (talk) 00:25, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Suggested Changes

Due to the election of a new Mayor of London, Sadiq Khan of the Labour Party, I propose the edit of this protected page. As confirmed by BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2016-36232392 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.58.175 (talk) 00:36, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Further confirmation in The Guardian http://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/may/06/uk-elections-sadiq-khan-ahead-in-london-mayoral-race-live-updates and the unprotected article London mayoral election, 2016. Certes (talk) 00:46, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

I've made a basic update referencing the BBC, and will remove the protection momentarily so others can do the additional work needed. Thryduulf (talk) 01:05, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

He's not actually officially the mayor yet. See the relevant legislation, where it states that the mayor's term of office will "begin on the second day after the day on which the last of the successful candidates at the ordinary election is declared to be returned". Cordless Larry (talk) 07:00, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Presumably that's Monday now that the results came in early Saturday morning.Gordon (talk) 08:09, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

It will be Monday yes. There will be a ceremony, where Kahn signs to accept the office, and only when that happens will Khan become Mayor. Sport and politics (talk) 08:15, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Look like it may actually be today (Saturday 7 May), with the ceremony taking place around midday (As I type): http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36235828 ClivePIA (talk) 11:12, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Guardian have confirmed with city hall that the official start will be 00:01 Monday morning. (http://gu.com/p/4jvzy, update at 07/05/16 11:13 BST)Gordon (talk) 12:53, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Someone should really revert this to say Boris Johnson is mayor until midnight on Monday morning. Gordon (talk) 12:57, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

It's already 12:49 UK time. Is it Ok to change now?  Carl  23:51, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Apologies, it's 00:01 Monday Morning, it's only Sunday morning. Carl  23:52, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Thought I might just point out that the media do catch on to these types of "Wiki wars" reflecting quite badly on Wikipedia and it's editors to the outside world. --wintonian ^talk 08:18, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

So what? Is all I can say to the above. What x, y, and z media outlet does is up to them. Wikpedia should not have that as any bearing at all on how the encyclopaedia is edited, as that would lead potentially to self-censorship, or worse actual censorship, over media fear, which is absurd and nonsensical. Sport and politics (talk) 08:22, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

I give up. Apparently, users are unwilling to read.--Ymblanter (talk) 15:02, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Sport and politics, given your comments above, I'm confused why you listed Khan as the incumbent as of today's date. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:11, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 May 2016

New Mayor, needs updating Lozbeard (talk) 12:22, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. clpo13_(talk) 17:30, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Sadiq Khan has not been "sworn in"

Mr Khan formally accepted the post of mayor on Saturday when the result was announced, but he does not actually start his term until Monday, see the GLAA paragraph 8(2). As such I'm reverting the good faith edits of others, please do not revert back until Monday. And make sure you get the start date of his term right when you do (09/05/16). Quantum Burrito (talk) 23:27, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

I've just reverted another mistaken editor, and so in accordance with the 3RR I will be taking no more direct action on the page. Also, I need to go to bed and this really isn't a hill worth dying on. It's going to be more or less irrelevant in less than 24 hours. However, I'd still encourage editors to discuss here which is the correct start date for his term, and hopefully we'll reach consensus rapidly. Quantum Burrito (talk) 02:16, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

The BBC says he was sworn in yesterday.[2]JoetheMoe25 (talk) 13:03, 8 May 2016 (UTC) So does the Wall Street Journal.[3]JoetheMoe25 (talk) 13:03, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

They do both say "sworn in" in the title, but the BBC clarifies this to "signed in" in the body. In any case, the GLAA is clear that the signing is not what starts a term as mayor, and makes no mention of "swearing in" at all. However, Wikipedia has a firm policy of no original research, and so we might have to go along with the obvious mistake. It would be a shame though. Quantum Burrito (talk) 14:03, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Khan doesn't officially take office until Monday - see here, here and here. The article should reflect this, rather than telling readers that he has been the incumbent since 7 May. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:15, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

I am not going to risk being desysopped for extra seven hours, and I do not see any other way to stop this on a short notice, except for reverting AND fully protecting the article. This is a well outlined way to desysop.--Ymblanter (talk) 15:29, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

The term start date will have to be corrected at some point, though, even if we admit defeat and allow the article to be incorrect for the rest of the day. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:30, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

I guess in two weeks nobody will care.--Ymblanter (talk) 15:45, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Well, after all that, he has now officially taken office and the table of mayors still shows him as the mayor-elect! Some people obviously don't look further than the infobox! Cordless Larry (talk) 07:39, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for sticking to your guns. As a pedantic person, this was really starting to annoy me, just as it did in 2008 (see above...)Gordon (talk) 08:53, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

I rather suspect that it will happen again next time, Farleysmaster, and with United States presidential election, 2016, etc. It should be easy to stop this, but it seems to happen again and again. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:47, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Someone (who definitely wasn't me), got london.gov.uk to correct the start date they had listed for the new mayor... Gordon (talk) 12:33, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

On what page specifically, Farleysmaster? It might be helpful to cite it. Cordless Larry (talk) 06:56, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Sorry! https://www.london.gov.uk/people/mayoral/sadiq-khan which seems to have been previously called http://london.gov.uk/node/31118 (and was originally used as a reference for the 8th May 2016 being his start date) Gordon (talk) 18:14, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Histograms

I am writing to question the portrayal of transfer votes in the histograms on this page and similar London Mayoral election pages.

The first round votes are displayed in turquoise, and the transfer votes are a sandy colour.

The top two candidates may have votes transferred to them in a second round, and that is clearly portrayed.

What is the meaning of the sandy coloured section of the other candidates' graphs? It appears to be superfluous and misleading. It looks as though they get 1% transfer votes, but they don't get any. In fact, votes are transferred away from them. It might be of interest to show which candidates' votes are transferred to which top-two candidate, but I'm not sure that they are officially released

What they do get is second preference votes, which might also be of some interest, but they would have to be shown in a different way, and I'm not sure that they are officially released either.

I respectfully suggest that the sandy coloured apparent 1% transfer votes are superfluous and misleading, and should be removed.

Nick Barnett (talk) 11:24, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

the 2nd pref votes are released - see [4] - but these are very different from the votes that 'count' - e.g. some people vote for Khan 1st and Goldsmith 2nd and the 2nd vote in that case wouldn't count in the headline results. Paulbrock (talk) 12:28, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

I think the orange bars for candidate 3 and below are of a standard size, as 2nd round votes aren't recorded for them in the template box. So, while it is true that the 2nd round votes that London Elects has released for all candidates are different to the second round votes given to the top two candidates by the candidates excluded from the second round of voting, those orange bars don't actually describe anything, and I don't think they can be removed without some sort of change to the base template (which I don't know how to do).

I agree with the OP, insofar as they're meaningless to the election, (although they are informative).

Gordon (talk) 11:59, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

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30 May 2022

Good afternoon as a volunteer for the northwest ambulance I have driven over 300 miles to bring a patient too the moorfield hospital and had too pay the congestion charge also as one of her majesties armed forces veterans with over 30years service this needs to be sorted. Good afternoon I am concerned with the treatment of some staff at the moorfield eye hospital just because I have transported a patient from Cumbria as my role as volunteer patient transport for the northwest ambulance I was treated as a foreigner 2A01:4C8:1162:E7A:1:1:974D:1A1B (talk) 13:19, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

This is a Wikipedia article about the office of Mayor of London. If you want to contact the Mayor of London you will have more luck here. If you want to contact Moorfield Hospital you will have more luck here. FollowTheTortoise (talk) 13:33, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

2024 Election

this page should be updated with the recent elections 109.31.226.4 (talk) 15:36, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Initiatives section update

The Ken Livingstone and Boris Johnson sections are large, but the Sadiq Khan section is not detailed enough, and needs to updated. This almost make the article come across as not neutral as it implies that he has not lead as many initiatives. Thanks! Anguswiki (talk) 15:49, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Furthermore, phrases like "This initiative was started under his predecessor, Johnson" comes across as biased against Khan, and possibly violates WP:NPOV Anguswiki (talk) 15:57, 4 May 2024 (UTC)