Talk:Northfield Mount Hermon School

Article Name

Shouldn't the article be at Northfield Mount Hermon School, since that is it's name?--Samuel J. Howard 09:27, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't think so. Look at the talk page for NMH Notable Alumni.

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I was the first person to create the entry for the Northfield Mount Hermon. Sadly enough at that time I was pretty new to Wikipedia so I misentered the name with lower case "mount hermon." I also forgot to create an account so that the change history did not put my name as the creator. Anyway that is not really a big deal. People make mistakes all the time including me. I have moved the name to the much proper entry with capitalized "Mount Hermon" this time. I also want to thanks those (anonymous or logged) who edit my entry and added the most recent development of the decision to turn NMH into a single campus school at Mount Hermon. It seems that I really need to improve my English a lot more. My vocabulary is really bad though I have been in the United States for six years. Let's make the NMH entry at Wikipedia as good as those made for Andover or Exeter (it is hard not to mention these two schools even though I have been away from NMH for a while).

Pboy2k5 (13 Nov 2004)

Northfield Seminary and Mount Hermon School for Boys

Is it just me, or shouldn't they have their own pages rather than being redirected to the full NMH page? They do have their own histories too. 147AM 05:01, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

I think instead of creating their own pages we should the Seminary and Hermon respectively their own sub-sections to the History section. --Ravidgemole 18:19, September 10, 2005 (UTC)

How about listing things such as dorms, past occurrences and such that only relate to the single campus? For example, before it merged, Northfield and Hermon were entirely different schools. Northfield didn't have the shooting of Elliot Speer and Hermon didn't have Gould collapse because of a hurricane. I just feel that they were two different schools on two entirely different campuses before the merge. So should they have their own pages that also connect to the NMH page? 147AM 21:42, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Current policy

As an alum (who was interested in Internet policy issues while an NMH student), I'm interested in knowing more about the current state of the school and current Internet policies, and also in helping current students at NMH (and elsewhere) beat Internet censorship. However, I don't think that the "Current policy" section is NPOV -- it suggests that the school will be a bad school under its current administration:

This is quite typical: she (or other members of the administration) will claim to be open with the students, then make a change in policy without consulting, or even informing any students until after it is in effect. When enough students complain, she agrees to meet with them, and completely ignores everything they have to say. NMH is a great school, but under the current administration, it will most likely not be in a few years.

One thing that would help with NPOV here and also be useful would be to discuss the policy changes under different administrations, and the nature and extent of student protest or dissatisfaction. This is actually a huge topic, because the school changed from an evangelical Protestant to a liberal pluralist philosophy in a relatively short historical timeframe, and there must have been a number of important changes in student life and culture during that time period... as well as under subsequent administrations and administrators. However, as I know from experience, current students are more apt to notice changes that happened during their years at the school than long-term trends. Which policy changes or disciplinary practices are random noise, which are the styles or opinions of particular staff members, and which represent abiding shifts in what the school stands for or what student life will be like? Schoen 08:26, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

The edit today makes the NPOV problems even worse and contains grammatical errors and wikification problems. -- And I say this as an alum who really would like to see an article that can help me understand what's going on at the school today and as a result of the one-campus transition (and in better context). Schoen 06:40, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

The entire edit Schoen mentioned was a joke done by dissatisfyed students. It has been fixed, by some good-natured student/faculty, and everything is back to normal.

Good natured student or faculty? Is there no room for policies to be explained? Someone should refine that and make something based on the increasingly strict administration and the transition. NMH as a single campus will never be the same, ask the students and the graduates. Ask Tom Raymond who was fired because he spoke out about the school's policies. Someone please refine the article, my English isn't too perfect. Raymond's analysis of the school: http://mesozoic.geecs.org/words/nmh/TomRaymond ManyBenefits 03:13, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Former link to me

By the way, contrary to the assertion in the edit history, I did not add the link to myself as a notable alumnus. I have no objection to the removal of this link. Schoen 10:19, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

School location

In reading the first line of the article it says the school is located in Mount Hermon, MA however the link goes to the town of Gill, MA, which is actually correct. I think it's supposed to say the Mount Hermon campus (which is now the ONLY active campus as they're trying to sell the original Northfield campus, which was most recently featured as a training camp for young American Idol hopefuls) is located in Gill, MA but I'm new to editing and am not sure how to fix this myself. Thanks! Linzee6394 21:32, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

The town is actually Mount Hermon, but Wikipedia doesn't have an article for it. Instead, the link just redirects to the nearest town, Gill, on record. 69.113.10.128

Actually, its in Gill, MA and not "Mount Hermon" which is only a designated area and not an actual town. 147AM (talk) 21:43, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Before Northfield and Gill had their own post office locations, the Mount Hermon School for Boys did. It was assigned the ZIP code of 01354, which was shared with the Northfield School for Girls. Eventually Northfield received its own post office and was assigned 01360 while Gill still worked through the Turners Falls zip code of 01376. The post office location was eventually moved to route mail through the Northfield post office, changing the combined NMH zip to the Northfield 01360 leaving the 01354 zip dormant, while still showing "Mount Hermon" as the town, since Gill was 01376 and Northfield is 01360. In 2006 Gill decided to reinstate the 01354 zip as its own. So now all mail going to NMH or the Town of Gill should use 01354 as the Town of Gill zip code. Depending on where you go, the various computer programs that pre-fill a zip can come through as Gill, Mount Hermon, or Northfield. I've edited the page to reflect the proper location of Gill, MA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.192.11.83 (talk) 01:00, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

A small art of the Mount Hermon campus is actually in Northfield rather than Gill. The old Mount Hermon post office, by the way, predated the introduction of zip codes. It was a community post office which was shut down as a post office (if I recall correctly) during the 1980s. The 01354 Zip Code was redesignated as "Gill, MA" while "911 addresses" were being standardized in the 1990s. Gill used to share the 01376 Zip Code with Montague City and Turners Falls. Until the 1970s, the Northfield Seminary campus's postal addresses were not in "Northfield" but rather in "East Northfield" (as opposed to "West Northfield," which is a smaller village on the west side of the river which used to have its own post office.) At least that is my recollection: this should be sourced and/or clarified before the main article is updated. (I am a member of NMH's class of 1975.) Timothy Horrigan (talk) 19:25, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Infobox

I replaced the table that used to be in this article with the standard school infobox. My main reasons for doing so are that the old table did not render correctly in browsers other than Internet Explorer, and to promote uniformity across Wikipedia.

There is some information "missing" from this infobox that was in the old table. It can be added back with the custom fields if need be. (and I may do so, but I wanted to get it up in its basic form first.)

Also, the order in which the information is presented in the infobox is not ideal, but that discussion should take place here.

- Dave314159 (talk) 18:04, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Rhodes Arts Center now Open

Formal opening was Sept 7, 2008, so I have changed references to present tense. Also corrected reference to Silliman Laboratory. Not done: remove activities from their old location in other buildings. Monomoit (talk) 11:47, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Proposal to cut Alumni list

Lists of names should comply with WP:BLP within the guidelines of WP:NLIST. I propose to trim down the alumni list of everyone born after 1920 who is otherwise unreferenced in the article. Having a blue link does not demonstrate that the person ever attended Northfield Mount Hermon or that the person linked is to the right article with that name. Fæ (talk) 07:33, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

I disagree with this proposal because the list is appropriate; it is in line with other boarding school pages where the alumni are listed. An alternative is to create a separate page for NMH alumni (un-merge the NMH Notable Alumni page with the main article). alephmemyud (talk) 15:50, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

The fact that other articles are poorly written is not a reason to keep this list. The specific guidelines at WP:WPSCH/AG are helpful and quite clear, the list of names requires sources or should be cut. At the section has been flagged as a problem for two years, I see little prospect of improvement and will go ahead in a couple of days time. Fæ (talk) 09:37, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

I understand that other articles being poorly cited is no reason to keep it, but I don't understand why you're picking on NMH. Take a look at the alumni lists of every other school in the Eight School Association. None are properly cited. Furthermore, here is a list according to NMH's official website that verified all of the alumni on the list: http://www.nmhschool.org/prominent-alumni — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alephlamedyud (talk • contribs) 01:54, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

That's a good list, why wouldn't you want to add it as a citation? I can see that not all people currently listed in the article are on the NMH list, these should be removed and those left need this as a footnote to avoid any confusion as further uncited entries are certain to be added in the future.

As the list of names has been a NLIST/BLP violation since 2008 (!) I have gone ahead and trimmed this back to only those than can be seen in the NMH list. This is the only source anyone has been bothered to find, and the resulting list embedded in the article seems sufficient without introducing so much undue weight that it would need to be split to its own article. Fæ (talk) 10:20, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

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