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editFrom the single mention of the Glyndebourne production from the 1990s, which admittedly achieved some fame and can been seen in a later revival on DVD, it might be concluded that this was the only UK production after 1939, which is far from the case. A famous Handel Opera Society staging of 1959 saw both Joan Sutherland and Janet Baker in leading roles, and a more elaborate staging by Welsh National Opera took place in the early 1980s. Dean and Knapp don't mention these, which is presumably why they have escaped Wikipedia's attention, but the 1959 staging was recorded and the WNO production can be tracked down through mention on websites addressing the WNO. I don't think these were the only British productions, either. When I have checked, I will edit these two, at least, in.Delahays (talk) 22:36, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
It might also be mentioned that a complete recoding of the opera, using modern instruments and pitches, but respecting Hnadel's instrumentation was made in 1964 by the Westminster company with a cast including Maureen Forrester conducted by Brian Priestman.Delahays (talk) 22:36, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
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editThe new reference Dean-Knapp is good but does not belong in the lead, here or in other articles. References should be in the body unless the fact is not mentioned in the body, or is a quotation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:43, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: you have never edited this article before, so seem to have followed my edits.[1] My first edits to this article were in 2008, when I added the source.[2] Obviously an opera that I know well. Could you you please mind your own business? Thanks, Mathsci (talk) 14:58, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Perhaps check your attitude? You claimed on Hammersoft's talk (which is on my watch list) that you don't make comments about editors, but I don't see that here. - I have all Handel operas on my watchlist, and saw you making changes that I explained on your talk first, and - as you deleted it there instead of discussing - now here. I like the correction of the source, thank you for that, but do you realise that the reference doesn't belong in the lead? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:11, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- The lede of George Frideric Handel has several attached citations. Anyway, this is an article about an opera of Handel, the third baroque jewel in the trilogy Giulio Cesare and Tamerlano (the other operatic trilogy being Ariodante, Alcina and Orlando). There are no hard and fast rules about what happens in a lede, as shown in your own edits.[3] The article Concerti grossi, Op. 3 (Handel) has four references in its lede, mainly because it's incomplete—a skeleton waiting to be be fleshed out; Stanley Sadie's "Handel Concertos" is still the best source. I can't see any reason to discuss non-Handelian issues here. Finding Handel sources from the British Library seems more useful; I added the recording with Barbara Schlick as Rodelinda. Mathsci (talk) 17:59, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section#Citations. Perhaps we interpret that differently. In your example about my editing, I wanted to have a reference for the translation because otherwise a reader might assume I made it myself (which I often do). It remained the only ref in that lead even when expanded. For this articles and others: Do as you see fit. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:39, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- The lede of George Frideric Handel has several attached citations. Anyway, this is an article about an opera of Handel, the third baroque jewel in the trilogy Giulio Cesare and Tamerlano (the other operatic trilogy being Ariodante, Alcina and Orlando). There are no hard and fast rules about what happens in a lede, as shown in your own edits.[3] The article Concerti grossi, Op. 3 (Handel) has four references in its lede, mainly because it's incomplete—a skeleton waiting to be be fleshed out; Stanley Sadie's "Handel Concertos" is still the best source. I can't see any reason to discuss non-Handelian issues here. Finding Handel sources from the British Library seems more useful; I added the recording with Barbara Schlick as Rodelinda. Mathsci (talk) 17:59, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Perhaps check your attitude? You claimed on Hammersoft's talk (which is on my watch list) that you don't make comments about editors, but I don't see that here. - I have all Handel operas on my watchlist, and saw you making changes that I explained on your talk first, and - as you deleted it there instead of discussing - now here. I like the correction of the source, thank you for that, but do you realise that the reference doesn't belong in the lead? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:11, 19 April 2022 (UTC)