Talk:The Seventh Seal

References to use

Please add to the list references that can be used for the film article.

• Litch, Mary M (2002). "Existentialism – Films: The Seventh Seal, Crimes and Misdemeanors, and Leaving Las Vegas". Philosophy Through Film. Routledge. pp. 185–200. ISBN 0415938759.
• Litch, Mary M (2002). "The Problem of Evil – Films: The Seventh Seal and The Rapture". Philosophy Through Film. Routledge. pp. 165–184. ISBN 0415938759.

Done. Wakebrdkid (talk) 06:22, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Crusade

Is it ever mentioned that Block was on one of the Crusades to the Holy Land? Being Swedish, could he not have been on one of the later, Baltic crusades? Mon Vier 13:53, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, Swedish Wikipedia also mentions the Holy Land. The route of Block's crusade was most probably NOT meant to have been in Estonia or Latvia.E.J. 14:08, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Is the Historical accuracy section applicable for this film? The Crusader plays chess this the deeth! This is not a documentary. Alternatively we shuld add some lines about accarcy of this chess game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.224.9.75 (talk) 10:15, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I find the entire "Historical Accuracy" section to be quite comical and inappropriate. This is not a historical piece, it is philosophical one. We studied this in film history course I took, and the historicity of the depiction is in no way relevant to the purpose of the piece. I don't know if there are any criteria for deletion that would be applicable, but I would advise it personally. Or perhaps editing the section and titling it "Anachronisms," which is perhaps more relevant in terms of film criticism or film history. Yamahasixstring (talk) 08:53, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm glad I'm not the only person who found the statement "The medieval Sweden portrayed in this movie is not totally accurate" unintentionally hilarious. I have no doubt that those who watch the film hoping to learn more about daily life in Sweden in the Middle Ages will be disappointed . . . not to mention very, very confused :-) Mardiste (talk) 13:32, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

The claims about the crusades being over before the Black Death is factually wrong. The source for that claim is not authoritative, either. 66.57.34.137 (talk) 21:43, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

The bulk of the main Crusades meaning the efforts organized by the Papacy to recapture Jerusalem was largely over. The final major Crusade was in 1271–1272. There was a Swedish-only one in 1293. There were subsequent crusades initiated by various local governments against Russia, Alexandria, and Aragon that aren't really part of the main cycle. The Black Plague peaked in 1350, over 50 years after the Crusades in the main sense had concluded. Essentially, the claim about the crusades being over before the Black Death is correct.--WickerGuy (talk) 22:00, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Just one thing

Even though Bergman is Swedish the movie is set in Denmark, not in Sweden (they talk about Elsinore, which is in Denmark) 26 June 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.25.103.70 (talk) 11:42, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Sweden included Denmark in the 14th century.--WickerGuy (talk) 16:04, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

See my comment in the Denmark section below. Sources say the film is set in Sweden. 99.192.64.215 (talk) 19:37, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Reduce the length of good articles.

I think it is not desirable to reduce the length of the GOOD (or fine) articles. Wikipedia has changed the way it is conceived the encyclopedias in general. You can now find useful information in the encyclopedia, not only the illiterate one but also the expert.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.247.80.9 (talk • contribs) 15:42, 28 September 2010

Is there a particular aspect of this article that you feel is relevant here? I'm not sure what you're objecting to. --McGeddon (talk) 14:57, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

I’m not objecting nothing. What I want objectify now, put it anecdotally, is: I was reviewing an issue of chess and I find a reference to this movie (not seen by me). So, then I can read in great detail, in the encyclopedia, the part about chess. Do you think that could do the same in other encyclopedia? The answer is no. So, contrary to object to something, I'm advocating that you keep the length of this article, as well as that of any other high quality article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.247.80.9 (talk) 16:18, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Denmark setting

What reference is there for the movie being set in Denmark as opposed to Sweden? If verified the article should go in Category:Films set in Denmark. Ribbet32 (talk) 23:27, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

I looked and found no sources that say the film is set in Denmark. An editor who, three months ago, changed to article from saying that the film is set in Sweden to saying it is set in Denmark wrote in the edit summary "The movie obviously takes place in Denmark, as the towns Roskilde and Helsingør (Elsinore) is mentioned." Firstly, this is not sourced, and so is, at best, synthesis. But it's also bad synthesis. The reference to Roskilde is that one of the characters is originally from there, so it does not fix the setting at all. The reference to Elsinore is that some of the characters are heading toward it, but the film does not say where they coming from. In a scene in the middle of the film, after Jof tells Antonius that he and his family are heading to Elsinore, Antonius says (quoting the English subtitles) "I'd advise against a trip like that" because "the plague is going down the coast." He suggests instead that Jof "follow me through the woods. You can stay at my estate or follow the east coast." So a better synthesis would be to conclude from this that they are on the west coast of Sweden south of Gothenburg heading toward Elsinore and that Antonius is suggesting they cross to the south-eastern Baltic coast of Sweden.

But synthesis is not good enough anyway, and so I searched for sources on the setting. All the ones I could find say it is set in Sweden and none say it is set in Denmark. So I will make the change and cite a couple of those sources. 99.192.64.215 (talk) 19:22, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Top notch work, anon. Ribbet32 (talk) 03:37, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

"Chess in the film" section

Can anyone explain what the "Chess in the film" section contributes to the article? If merely describes the chess play and mostly consists of quoting lines from the film said during the chess game. The section does not add any analysis and so does not obviously contribute anything to the article. I think it should be deleted, but will wait for any comments from others to explain why it should stay. 99.192.64.215 (talk) 17:14, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Just to add a bit of information to my above question, the "Chess in the film" section was originally created three-and-a-half years ago, in August 2009 (See: [1]). Prior to that the article contained information about the significance of the taking of the queen, but that was removed two months ago (See: [2]). The historical accuracy question, if sourced, might actually be worth keeping (it actually was in the article even before the "Chess in the film" section was created), but the rest of it does not look to have any value. One editor who restored a removal of much of it said that it is "very relevant to project to improve coverage of chess on wikipedia" (See: [3]), but I don't see how the section does this. 99.192.64.215 (talk) 17:43, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm a member of the chess project. The IP user that restored it and made the comment does not seem to be a regular contributor to chess articles. I don't agree with his statement. I support at least shortening it to what is significant as far as the film goes. It doesn't really improve chess coverage in Wikipedia. I even doubt if this article needs to be in the chess project - at least it should be bottom importance. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 17:56, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

As far as film coverage goes, it seems to fall under WP:INUNIVERSE, and apart from a brief plot summary such sections are discouraged. I would have no problem with it being deleted. Betty Logan (talk) 18:16, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

I concur with Betty. I took a look in Google Books but could not find any solid results discussing the chess game (unlike how there are results for 2001: A Space Odyssey). I'm fine with its removal. Erik (talk | contribs) 20:37, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the input, everyone. There seems to be enough agreement that it should be removed that I will go ahead and do it. Someone might come by later to offer a reason to keep it, but if so it will be easy enough to restore. 99.192.64.215 (talk) 22:50, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

Chess is central to the film (and the film is, I think, one of the most notable examples of chess in popular culture) but I agree that a specific "Chess in the film" section is probably going too far; much better to describe it and its wider symbolic meaning elsewhere in the article. --xensyria^T 09:06, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Possibly obscure

Is it worth including a comment that the singer/songwriter Scott Walker included a track "The Seventh Seal" on his 1969 album "Scott 4"? This record was originally released under the artist's real name Noel Scott Engel, but it is re-issued on CD using the artist's stage name.

Engel's/Walker's song is an accurate summary of the film's plot, which is why I think it deserves a mention - I happen to think it is an excellent song and a wonderful performance. The original LP fold-out sleeve included the classic photo of the chess game with Death.

Phillip Clark — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phillip Clark (talk • contribs) 10:54, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

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Denmark

According to Swedish Wikipedia, The Seventh Seal is set in Sweden, unlike the English article which says it is set in Denmark. Which is right? —ajf (talk) 09:56, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

As a Swede and a friend of Ingmar Bergman I can assure you that the film was entirely shot in Sweden by a Swedish director and team – in Stockholm studio area (Filmstaden) and in the Southern landscape of Sweden, Skåne/Scania. Until the 17th-18th centuries some parts of present Sweden, including Skåne, belonged to Denmark and the Northern Danish Empire (including Norway, Iceland, Greenland, Faroe islands and more). Thus, it's correct that many of the exteriors were shot in the landscape, that would in the Medieval ages have belonged to Denmark. But there's no mentioning of any places/countries in the film, except for the old Danish cities Elsinore and Roskilde. In those days, as in present time, Skåne's located very close to present Denmark, just separated by Öresund sound, so people go back and forth between them. – Thus, it's a Swedish film, entirely made in Sweden with Swedish actors, who speak Swedish language. Ingmar Bergman partly shot most of his 1950's films in Skåne, as he was a stage director at Skåne's Malmö stadsteater (and in the 1940's at Helsingborgs stadsteater) during those years.--Bemland (talk) 16:11, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Bill and Ted?

So nobody’s gonna mention B&T2? Not highbrow enough? 2601:18D:8A01:FED0:B483:DC39:B593:277B (talk) 21:03, 22 October 2022 (UTC)