Wikipedia

User:PBS/Notes

< User:PBS
Contributions
User Page
Talk Page
Notes
Library
Commons
Wikisource
Sandboxes
Userspace
Contributions

Wikipedia:User page design center
User page design centre

edit

Frequent access

edit

Revision link {{Oldid2}}

Format citation tools

edit
DYK toolbox

Fix a citation so it does not go dead

edit

Wikipedia:List of web archives on Wikipedia

  • https://archive.org/web/ -- Wayback machine will archive a link if it has not got a copy of it already
  • http://www.webcitation.org -- is an on-demand archiving system for webreferences (cited webpages and websites, or other kinds of Internet-accessible digital objects),

Edit tools & scripts

edit

Need to check the following edits

edit

PBS-AWB need checking:

  • 07:47, 18 March 2017 Zula
    • 237 pages
  • 20:30, 18 April 2017 History of encyclopedias
  • In total there were just under 240 articles changed.
  • 08:32, 26 December 2016 George Darwin
    • 236 pages
  • 16:35 16:35, 5 March 2017 Isle of Bute

Database tools

edit

Google Ngram Viewer - Google Books

WP:MILHIST talk page header

edit 
{{WPMILHIST|British=yes|class=start
 <!-- B-Class 5-criteria checklist -->          
 | B1 <!-- Referencing and citations --> = y/n  
 | B2 <!-- Coverage and accuracy --> = y/n      
 | B3 <!-- Structure --> = y/n                  
 | B4 <!-- Grammar and style --> = y/n          
 | B5 <!-- Supporting materials --> = y/n       
|Three-Kingdoms-task-force=yes}}

To do soon

edit

Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating a citation from the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica check periodically

Problems with EB1911 turned into Cite EB1911 without checking. 1 month in 2010 but was much longer.

  • Problem with NWS in external links. see Mulhouse


  • Pierer, H.A. (1857). "Russisch-Deutscher Krieg gegen Frankreich 1812-1815". Pierer's Universal-Lexikon (in German). Vol. 14. p. 605, 2nd column.

https://refill.toolforge.org/

Accounts

edit

See initial request Global steward request, Global user contributions, Global account information

Seaches for wikisource

edit

Projects

edit


Some useful links to the Wikipedia:WikiProject areas I am interested in

Pages statistics

edit

Categories

edit

Mass messages

edit

contact/notify lots of users using Wikipedia:Mass message senders Mass message sender is a user group that allows users to send messages to multiple users at once. Further user documentation can be found at m:MassMessage and mw:Help:Extension:MassMessage.

Users with massmessage user right can send a message using Special:MassMessage.

See also User:PBS/MessageList

Maintenance templates

edit
  • Template:New page An example of a maintenance template that displays all the worst characteristics of maintenance templates.

Two bad ones (from History of North Rhine-Westphalia): {{lead too short}} {{Duplication}}

WP:Orphan {{orphan}} Wikipedia:Perennial proposals Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 108#Proposal to move the Orphan tags to the talk page

Attribution removed

edit

Article with author but different ref tag pairs used: "Pazhou"

PD Templates

edit
  • (There is no inline citation referencing this source)

See Module talk:Citation/CS1

See Module:Template_wrapper

List of EB1911 to Cite EB1911

Help:Magic_words m:Help:Magic words Wikipedia:Lua

See User talk:Diego Grez#Cite DGRC, User talk:Mr Stephen#Wikisource names, User talk:Bob Burkhardt#1911 wstitle= User talk:Slowking4

List of PD Templates

edit
  • {{Eminent Scotsmen}} — this needs work to bring it in line with other similar templates
Foreign Language


Use page and other parameters to set url.
Modern PD
Other Modern
Also

Templates

edit

{{User15|{{BASEPAGENAME}}}}

Column lists

{{Columns-list}} or {{Multicol}} or {{Div col}} if the list is lengthy.

Better source needed

edit

If the template calls {{better source}} etc it must have a date parameter passed into it and to set the place it in Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Dated templates

{{Unreliable source?|failed=y|date=}}

Darryl Lundy's The Peerage

edit

Thank you for creating the article John Clinton, 6th Lord Clinton on 14 November 2016‎. However it is clear that the contents came from Darryl Lund's website thepeerage.com.Lundy's website is not reliable (it is self published by a none expert), but you can use Lund's website as a source providing the information he provides is backed up by a Wikipedia reliable source (some of it isn't it comes from email correspondence and the like).

Unless you have access to his reliable sources, you can not cite his sources directly, instead you must cite his source and then the reliable source. This is explained in more detail in the section in the citations guideline linked to by WP:SAYWHEREYOUREADIT.

I have copied edited the article and added in the appropriate style of citations see this edit. If you have added information based on any of Lundy's pages to any other article and have not stated that the information came from his website, please add the appropriate additional citations as specified in WP:SAYWHEREYOUGOTIT.

Juliet Barker: medieval dates

edit
Juliet Barker in her Agincourt: The King, the Campaign, the Battle has a few paragraphs on how difficult it is to date things of this period accurately. First the year is given from the start of a kings reign rather than (in the year of our Lord). Secondly the day is given in two ways one is by saints days (or as an offset from a saints day for example "two days after the feast of St. Andrew"), and the other by the Ides, so working out the dates in primary sources during middle ages is complicated. For example one English document may be dated from the start year of Henry V reign and the day as an offset from an ide, while a French document for the same day will use their King coronation year and then use a local saint's day to date an event that happened on the same day.

Don't collapse references

edit

MOS:COLLAPSE, MOS:DONTHIDE

MOS:Dates and numbers

edit

Ranges

edit
Shortcuts

Anchors:

  • Date ranges
  • Other date ranges
  • Dates of birth and death

The section used to give not advise on year format for ranges. The alteration to being 4 digit intolerance started without an RfC by user:PL290. I have not objected because at the time I was not aware of the change and because the current wording it includes "usually" which allows wriggle room.

  • "and the range's end year is usually abbreviated to two digits:"

For a long time Wikipeida used full year in all dates because the year used to be linked to the year article, so people used 2015-[[2016]] probably because it was easier to type than 2015–[[2016|16]], but as it was widely used no one bothered with explicit rules. The policy of linking years was eventually abolished after a long and acrimonious abate which culminated in an RfC on the issue.

The reason for such abbreviations came about in old physical publications because each character in a physical book costs money (and also explains the use of standard Latin abbreviations like eg). The EB1911 saved pages in every volume by using such abbreviations and other tricks such as concatenating paragraphs unless it is absolutely necessary for reasons other than style.

I am drafting this section on 24 July 2016 and coincidently during the last week the British Government website has announced that it is banning the use of Latin abbreviations on its website (with several argument including they are confusing for some people):

Wikipedia is not a book we do not need to make such space savings (the argument advanced and widely accepted for not truncating the moth to the first three letters). Particularly when there are arguments the other way:

  • Confusion both for readers who are not familiar with such rules, and it is complicated for editors because the rules cover inconsistency on what to use: use four digits if it is a DOD, or the end of a sporting event, but not other events.
  • abbreviating dates makes electronic searches more difficult both for internal and external searches. Let me give you a simple example suppose that you want to know all the events that happened for a particular year. If the full year is added then that is a relatively simple to find the dates, eg: the DOD of a notable person or the end of a siege. Now if the search can be made using a regular expression then this information can also be found, but it presupposes that the person who wishes to do the search knows how to create a regular expression and that the search engine can accept such expressions, how often is that true?

The weight of advised on the guideline page was for full years on ranges up until this edit on

However if one looks at the start of 2011 the advise is contradictory and supports both formats:

It is only gradually that we have ended up in the current position where there is such a strong statement and as far as I can tell we have stumbled into this without any real justification for it.

Linking to another language article

edit

{{ill}} an acceptable way to link to another another language article in text eg: Jean-Bertrand Féraud

(disambiguation)

edit

{{disambig}} {{otheruses}}

Three-revert rule and other

edit

deletes

edit

Guidelines

edit

Admin pages

edit

  - [[Image:Information.svg|24px]]

  - [[Image:Ambox warning pn.svg|24px]]

  - [[Image:Stop hand nuvola.svg|24px]]

 

- [[Image:Stop_x_nuvola.svg|left|24px]]

Some sock-masters and others

edit
User:Beeblebrox/The unblockables
Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations {{Sockpuppet}} {{Uw-socksuspect}} {{SockBlock}} (admin) {{user6}}
Category:Sockpuppet templates
Wikipedia:Wikimedia Labs/Toolserver replacements
toollabs:sigma/editorinteract.py Check out edit patters by two or more users (between interaction)

While this talk page is unavailable to you, if wish to appeal the block you can use the Unblock Ticket Request System or email the Arbitration Committee as detailed at WP:BASC.

User:Cirt: User talk:PBS/Archive 12#October 2010, Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive644#PBS - block review, Wikipedia:External discussion, Wikipedia:Off-wiki policy discussion, Wikipedia:Correspondence off-wiki

Arbitration

edit

Polls

edit

Mailing lists

edit

Example farms and OR lists

edit

{{examplefarm}} {{Section OR}}

edit

In the conversations over WP:V you mentioned an example using EB1911. Over the last 48 hours I have been working on converting a simple template for a PD source into a more comprehensive one and then converting the instances of {{WaceBio}} into {{DCBL}}.

As a side issue I am going through the 2 dozen affected articles adding citations, as the original text carries non (it was added some years ago when the demand for citations was not as comprehensive as it is now). In doing this I have come across three basic types of copies:

The first two would be stylistically stunted, but I think that the last two would be impossible to keep in their current format unless they were completely rewritten as if using standard copyright material -- a restriction I see harming the project.

For the problems of plagiarism and intext attribution see Wikipedia_talk:Plagiarism/Archive 8#Clarification of what "with very few changes" means which includes links to other sections. -- PBS (talk) 12:52, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Civility

edit

Reliable source notice board

edit

Pinnacle islands

edit

Citation improvements and Burden

edit

Thoughts on some claims of disruption

edit

What concerns me most is the attitude that is developing between some editors that to paraphrase the a quote in the terrorism#Pejorative use article

On one point, at least, everyone agrees: terrorism [disruption] is a pejorative term. It is a word with intrinsically negative connotations that is generally applied to one's enemies and opponents, or [to those with whom one disagrees] and would otherwise prefer to ignore. `What is called terrorism [disruption]', Brian Jenkins has written, `thus seems to depend on one's point of view. Use of the term implies a moral judgement; and if one party can successfully attach the label terrorist [disruption] to its opponent, then it has indirectly persuaded others to adopt its moral viewpoint.' Hence the decision to call someone or label some organization `terrorist' [a string of edits disruptive] becomes almost unavoidably subjective, depending largely on whether one sympathizes with or opposes the person/group/cause concerned. If one identifies with the victim of the violence [disagrees with the edit], for example, then the act is terrorism [disruptive]. If, however, one identifies with the perpetrator, the violent act is regarded in a more sympathetic, if not positive (or, at the worst, an ambivalent) light; and it is not terrorism disruption.

Ancestry ahnentafel and notes

edit 
 {{ahnentafel
 |collapsed=yes |align=center
 |1= 1. '''Sir Thomas Greene'''
 |2= 2. Sir Thomas Greene{{Efn-lr|name="Wales"|''Prince of Wales'', by Gerald Paget, p. 95.}}
 |footnotes_align=left
 |footnotes='''Notes''':
 {{notelist-lr}} <!--------------------------
                   use either {{Efn-lr}} and/or <ref group=lower-roman/>
                   To fill this notelist
                   ------------------------------>
 }}

Notes on Ancestry trees and unreliable sources

edit
See User talk:Spanish lullaby#Ancestry trees

There is a fundamental difference between a navigational list such as often appears in the footnotes of an article and an ancestry tree. A navigational list such as the "Regnal titles" at the end of this article contains a series of facts, each of which can be checked in the link provided. However in an ancestry tree there is information conveyed in the tree that is probably not available in of the individual articles. As an example: where is the source in any article that "Elisabetha Röhrig" is the great-great grandmother of Albert II, Prince of Monaco?

It is very easy to construct an ancestry tree from unreliable sources published on the internet. However it only takes one mistake for large parts of the tree to be incorrect. For example if a grandmother is recorded as the first wife rather the second wife (the correct mother), then a quarter of the tree will be inaccurate, even if all the other entries for every single person are correct. For this reason trees need accurate sourcing from reliable sources.

It is easy to find the parents of a child in the child's biography, but it is often difficult to find all the children of couple. However if some of the children are notable enough to have their own biography in a reliable source, this can lead to editors unwittingly adding WP:OR into an ancestry tree.

Let us suppose we are looking for the parents of a daughter X (the grandmother of the subject of an article). However X does not have a biography in a reliable source, but the father of X does (call him Y). In the biography of Y it names his wife (Z). The biography of Y states that Y and Z had a son (A) and four daughters, only 2 of which are named (B,C), but not the other two. Now it maybe that X is one of those two unnamed daughters, or it may be that X is the daughter of another marriage not included in the biography of Y. If one jumps to the conclusion that X is the daughter of Y and Z then this breaks the WP:NOR policy specifically a "synthesis of published material, because to conclude that the mother of Z is the grandmother of X is a synthesis.

Please list the sources you used to support the restoration of the ancestry tree of Albert II, Prince of Monaco, so we can discuss if they are adequate reliable sources.

Unsourced family templates

edit

Category:Family tree templates Metawiki:Help:Tables § XHTML attributes

Explanation of how few citation are usually needed

The number of sources needed is often much smaller that appears to be the case initially as a reliable genealogical source will often span many generations. See for example Charles I of England#Ancestry where one source covers the whole tree. Even where that is not the case in the example Henry Percy, 3rd Earl of Northumberland#Ancestry all thirty entries are covered by just 8 citations.

A tree like Template talk:Ancestors of Charles II of Spain not need a citation on every node depicting the relationship with everyone to whom they are connected. As a parent can have many children, it is often simpler just to include a verification of parents in the child node as biographies usually include parents even if they do not include all the children. So in the case of Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor (1500–58) a citation confirming his parents is sufficient (and if that citation includes mention of his spouse -- Isabella of Portugal) then one citation has covered all the information necessary. If no mention of his spouse is to be found (in that citation) then that relationship will be covered in the citation in the node Philip II of Spain. These citations can be added to the articles if they also do not carry citations for these facts.

  • {{Trojan race}}: {{chart top|{{navbar|Trojan race|mini=1}}Trojan race}}
{{navbox
|titlestyle = background:none
|name  = Charles Kanaina family tree
|title = Charles Kanaina family tree
|state={{{state<includeonly>|collapsed</includeonly>}}}
|list1 = {{unreferenced section|date=April 2015}}</br>

|titlestyle = background: white
|belowstyle = background: white
{{unreferenced section|date=April 2015}}</br>

|list2style=text-align: left
|list2='''Notes:'''
{{notelist-lr}}<!--- use either {{Efn-lr}} and/or <ref group=lower-roman /> To fill this notelist -->


See Template:Ancestors of Charles II of Spain for a template that has a header with v t e options: 

 {{chart top|{{navbar|Ancestors of Charles II of Spain|mini=1}} Ancestors of Charles II of Spain}}

Three templates that were sidebars and causing problems

edit

Reflist more than one in an article

edit

{{reflist|close=1}} see HELP:MULTIREF

Unacknowledged internal copying and problems with citations

edit
edit

Aetheling1125 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

Search using insource:

edit
see also {{Search link}}
insource:/1911enc/

{{search link|insource:/\{\{ahnentafel-/i|ahnentafel}} I tried a whitespace \s* but it does not seem to work for \n so I have used [^\{]* as an alternative

xx

insource:/DNB\|[^\}]*\wstitle=[^\(]*\([^\–]*–[^–]*\) *[^\|\}]/ xx

insource:/1911encyclopedia/

Nathan Bedford Forrest

edit

"Both armies were very indifferently supplied with information, as both were without any reliable regular cavalry capable of piercing the screen of outposts with which each endeavoured to conceal his disposition, and Napoleon, operating in a most unfriendly country, suffered more in this respect than his adversaries." [1]

"This led the latter to push on without due regard to tactical precautions, and Blücher took advantage of their carelessness when at Haynau (May 26), with some twenty squadrons of Landwehr cavalry, he surprised, rode over and almost destroyed Maison's division. The material loss inflicted on the French was not very great, but its effect in raising the moral of the raw Prussian cavalry and increasing their confidence in their old commander was enormous."

Should or ought to — 2012 Men's rights controversy

edit

As was shown in the great move debate of 2012 over the article now titled "Men's rights movement"

Citation style

edit


11:05, 5 August 2006

Semicolon at the start of a line must end in a colon

edit

MOS:DLIST and also MOS:PSEUDOHEAD

MOS:COMPASS and WP:SEASON

edit

This and that

edit

These templates should not be used by involved parties to end a discussion over the objections of other editors

Sorites paradox (beard paradox), Ship of Theseus

  • A social history of English Rugby Union by Tony Collins 85
  • The erotic muse: American bawdy songs by Ed Cray 368


Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:PBS/Notes&oldid=1121098640"