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Sincerely, Rasnaboy (talk) 08:34, 31 March 2020 (UTC)   (Leave me a message)Reply

Quotation marks

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Hi, thanks for your attempts at regularizing quotation marks, but please take another look at Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Double or single, which says:

Simple glosses that translate or define unfamiliar terms take single quotes, with no comma before the definition (Cossack comes from Turkic qazaq 'freebooter').

Thanks. Nardog (talk) 09:10, 3 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

Hello. I apologise if I waste your time on this.
I fail to see the utility of this rule. It is a rule that is inconsistently adopted among linguists themselves, and the reasons for using it seem tenuous among those who do follow it. (For example, two histories of linguistics I saw both used and didn't use them. One linguist I adopts the usage but admits its uselessness.) I suspect it's the observance of an empty convention. (Besides, it makes it harder to quote passages following this rule. When does a "simple" gloss become non-simple?) I think that an overwhelming readers neither notice nor care. As much of a stickler as I am, sometimes I don't even notice. It simply is unimportant and otiose.
The rule itself may be clear, but it is not consistently used across Wikipedia—and more honoured in the breach. I have found whole pages where both single and double quotation-marks have been used for glosses, "simple" or not. Beyond "simple" glosses, single quotation-marks are frequently used for irony, sneering quotations, emphasising a use of terminology, for a word-in-itself, even direct quotations. If the rule had followed a current overwhelming usage of punctuation, I would begrudgingly agree. But most people do not care, and in their own usage use one or the other freely interchangeably. Ultimately we sacrifice simplicity for no additional clarity.
Anyway, it's abundantly clear when something is a gloss, not because of the quotation-mark used, but by context: the propinquity and simple omission of a comma does that. We don't need single quotation-marks to do that.
If them's the rules, so be it. But it is preposterous to have a rule that few follow and few notice. Is there somewhere where I can argue for this rule to be scrapped?
Thank you. Mpkenning (talk) 11:14, 25 May 2021 (UTC)Reply

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