Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Conrad Lucas (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:11, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Conrad Lucas

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Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Cliff Smith 17:50, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of West Virginia-related deletion discussions. Cliff Smith 17:52, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Chairman of local branch of American Republican party with only insubstantial local coverage. Fails WP:POLITICIAN. Article was previously deleted in 2009 and I'm assuming that the claim to notability this time is different. Valenciano (talk) 17:43, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

He is a state party leader and is influential in shaping government policy. While he was deleted for losing a Congressional race a few years ago, his position of power warrents his place in wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CecilAlbertMoore (talk • contribs) 17:53, 30 July 2012 (UTC) — CecilAlbertMoore (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Redirect to West Virginia Republican Party. Fails WP:POLITICIAN; notability is not sufficient for a stand-alone article. I am not opposed to merging relevant biographical information of state party chairmen into the article about the state party. Location (talk) 17:56, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This article should not be merged with the state party. Many other government and political state leaders have their own wikipedia page. This includes the WV Senate President and Speaker of the House. He is a high profile individual in the West Virginia media and it can be assumed that his presence will continue to grow as the election nears. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CecilAlbertMoore (talk • contribs) 18:19, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and WP:POLITICIAN. On reflection, I've no objection to this being merged and redirected to the state party article. That preserves the content in the event that Lucas does become notable in the future. For now I don't see enough coverage to justify a standalone bio. Valenciano (talk) 19:31, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the criteria in WP:POLITICIAN I believe that this article should stand due to the politician holding a statewide office CecilAlbertMoore (talk 19:56, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In that context, a statewide office refers to statewide public office in which the official is elected by the general public or appointed by another governmental official. The West Virginia Republican Party has no power to govern in such a manner. Location (talk) 20:08, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that a State GOP Chairman falls under the definition of a state public official. He is elected statewide by Republican members and while he is not part of the state government he still is considered a statewide official. CecilAlbertMoore (talk 20:12, 30 July 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by CecilAlbertMoore (talk • contribs)

A public official serves or represents the public; this subject serves or represents a party. Location (talk) 20:19, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A public official can clearly represent a non-governmental organization. Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_official CecilAlbertMoore (talk) 20:31, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That article states: "A public official is an official of central or local government." The subject is not "an official of central or local government". Location (talk) 21:31, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It also states that it is someone who holds an office in an organization or government and participates in the exercise of authority (either his own or that of his superior and/or employer, public or legally private). — Preceding unsigned comment added by CecilAlbertMoore (talk • contribs) 23:35, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Re: private. So, we are in agreement that the subject is an official of a non-public entity or organization (i.e. he is not a public official who is elected by the general public or appointed by another governmental official). Location (talk) 00:37, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

We are most certainly not in agreement. The definition clearly states that leaders of non-governmental organizations qualify as public officials. I do not understand why we are contesting the creation of a high profile public figure in regional politics. CecilAlbertMoore (talk) 01:11, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I do not see that stated clearly or otherwise in the article, so I'll guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Cheers! Location (talk) 02:28, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Purely promotional article about a non-notable would-be politician. He has never held public office; I considered a redirect to the 2010 congressional election, but he failed to win the nomination and is not mentioned at the article United States House of Representatives elections in West Virginia, 2010#District 3. I would also oppose a redirect to West Virginia Republican Party. He can be mentioned there, but we don't normally keep (even as a redirect) pages about people who hold only a party office. --MelanieN (talk) 01:22, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 19:10, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: This person does not meet any of the criteria for WP:POLITICIAN: he has not held any public office, nor has he been elected to it. He has not received coverage as a local politician. And the West Virginia Republican Party chairmanship is not a state office, since the West Virginia Republican Party is not a state governmental organization but a private organization. One undoubtedly covered by WP:ORG, but notability is not inherited so simply being its chairman counts for nothing much more than WP:BLP1E, if that. This person is not notable. -- BenTels (talk) 20:20, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.