Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Döner kebab around the world

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The contents are essentially unsourced, causing the article to fail WP:V and WP:NOR. The "keep" comments do not address this crucial issue. Merging is not appropriate because the problem is with the content itself, not its editorial presentation. Sandstein 21:25, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Döner kebab around the world

I added this page to my watchlist in November 2007, when I tagged it for being unreferenced. Over six months later, the tag still stands, the article remains a collection of (interesting) original research and unverifiable claims, and I am convinced that it can never go beyond this point. Since it was originally created as a split from Döner kebab (see the relevant comments on the source article's talk page), I'd like to suggest <edit>as an alternative remedy</edit> that it be trimmed down to the bare, verifiable necessities and then re-merged to the parent article. jonny-m t 01:45, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge – I agree! Not a bad article. Well written – informative – and interesting. However, should be part of the main article and not separate. Let’s do justice to both and merge into one. ShoesssS ^Talk 02:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy close as an improperly filed nomination. An AfD is not the right place to make a merge proposal. Nsk92 (talk) 02:45, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – No I disagree! The nominator made the right choice here. Let it stand and get consensus. ShoesssS ^Talk 02:48, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's not improperly filed; it is, however, in the wrong place. Merge proposals are better handled with {{merge}} tags, instead of adding to the AfD workload. —Quasirandom (talk) 03:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That is exactly what I meant. I do not question the merits of the proposal, but there is a standard proper procedure for proposing and discussing merges, see WP:MERGE. AfDs are for discussing proposed deletions. This AfD is simply not the right place for discussing a merge and content revision proposal. Nsk92 (talk) 03:29, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(ec) You raise a good point, but I opted for AfD over merge discussions because deletion is a viable outcome here--I was merely preemptively suggesting an alternate option that often arises in the natural course of the discussion. Naturally, the question of whether or not there is anything worth saving takes priority over whether or not anything should be merged.

At any rate, I should have been clearer in my initial nomination, and for that I consider myself whacked. --jonny-m t 03:49, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Procedural close - not a deletion request. 70.51.10.113 (talk) 03:48, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Seems to me that it is nominated for deletion and that the nominator is saying IF there is something that can be salvaged than those could be merged. I think we look at the article on its merits. The only "workload" involved seems to be our willingness to participate in the discussion. With that in mind I'm nipping away to look at the article itself. Jasynnash2 (talk) 12:31, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Article sits as both OR and non-verifiable to reliable 3rd party sources. Although a section should be maintained within the main article this isn't it. Noting regional variations is fine but, that again should be in the main article and be sourced. Jasynnash2 (talk) 12:36, 21 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Döner kebab, after cutting back to that which is verifiable (and please, title the section "regional variations" or something, this makes it sound like a kebab is on a sailing trip!). Jakew (talk) 19:47, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp (talk) 21:21, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Döner kebab. Not a bad article at all, and is pretty interesting, but would be much better if it merged. Limetolime ^{talk to me} ^• ^{look what I did!} 22:28, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. A sourced section on regional variations should be added to the main article. Mabisa (talk) 01:54, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Useful information worth separate article--Kyknos (talk) 04:49, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and do not merge, because of length concerns. Squidfryerchef (talk) 02:12, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Can you provide a reason for keeping as opposed to deleting the article, then? As you know, deletion discussions are not simply a vote. --jonny-m t 06:07, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Do not merge. It can be kept or deleted, I prefer that it gets cleaned up and kept. There is also some confusion about doner-gyros-shwarma. If kept, only the variants that are still called döner, or something similar (donner, donair, doner, etc.) should be kept, unless we merge döner kebab, gyros, and shwarma (such a merger request might get a lot of objections, not from me though). The article is too large (WP:Size issues), it is still virtually unsourced, it won't add much to the main article, Döner kebab; I don't see merits of merging them, unless after cleanup this article becomes very small. When/if merged, I suspect that the main article will become an OR magnet. We need to keep an eye. Deniz^T_C 15:39, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.