Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of The Secret Circle characters

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The result was redirect to The Secret Circle (TV series). King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 04:36, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

List of The Secret Circle characters

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List of characters in a new TV series that started airing 9 days ago. The "references" are just brief mentions of the series, but don't mention (let alone describe) all these characters. For a new series like this, for which there is no evidence as yet whether it will become a success or whether these characters will become notable. In any case, at this point, the whole list is pure unsourced WP:OR and does not meet WP:GNG. Hence: Delete. Crusio (talk) 15:29, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. — — alf.laylah.wa.laylah (talk) 15:40, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. — — alf.laylah.wa.laylah (talk) 17:36, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 18:27, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Notability for the list is derived from the notability of the series, which the nominator admits has aired on a major network, so WP:CRYSTAL does not apply as the show is already notable. Yes, it's kind of early for there to be a separate list of characters, but not so early that deleting it makes sense. Oh, and while OR isn't a reason to delete an entire article (just offending content), the brief character sketches appear to be sourceable to the primary source itself, rather than veering off into fanwank territory. Much better to expand it. Jclemens (talk) 18:38, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I am not proposing to delete the article on the series itself (and it wouldn't be the first series to get cancelled after just a few episodes, even on a major network). At this point, this list has only in-universe info and consists 100% of OR without any real sources. The descriptions of the characters are just snippets of plot. However, if I understand you correctly, if a TV series is notable, then any list derived from it is notable, and whether or not there are independent sources doesn't matter, because it can all be sourced to the primary source, the show itself? --Crusio (talk) 20:17, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete- notability of a character list is not inherited from the parent work of fiction. This article is almost entirely plot summary, and its content is already adequately covered in the main article about the series. These kinds of articles - where plot summary is taken, rearranged and repackaged in a multitude of different ways to make a bunch of redundant plot summary articles - are a problem on Wikipedia, and are not how to build an encyclopedia. They are contrary to our content forking guideline, and to the spirit of WP:UNDUE in that they cause disproportionate coverage of the work of fiction and artificially inflate its apparent notability. Our verifiability policy and notability guideline discourage articles like this by calling for reliable independent sources that cover the subject- if you want an article on a list of characters, you need sources about the list of characters. The work of fiction itself, and sources that cover it broadly rather than focusing on the list of characters, do not suffice. Reyk _YO! 23:24, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to The Secret Circle (TV series). Sometime in the future, there may be more information about these characters than can be accommodated in the main article about the series. But for now, that's not the case. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:13, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Notability guidelines apply to the inclusion of stand-alone lists and the characters of this one have not been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, so the topic of the list does not meet the general notability guideline. Furthermore, the content of the article is a summary-only description of a fictional work, making the article fall into what Wikipedia is not and, thus, not suitable for the criteria of appropriate topics for lists. The list itself is an unnecessary split of The Secret Circle (TV series), which has an article size of 13.5 KB, below the recommended article size, which would be the only justified reason to split this type content. As such and as the content is barely referenced, I believe that deletion is the best alternative. Jfgslo (talk) 01:00, 30 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Telivision shows in general get WAY too many pages, and this is just another show that will quickly devolve into having an entire article about each episode. Not notable enough yet. Gaijin42 (talk) 18:43, 30 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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