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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus, but merge editorially. xDanielx raises relevant points that are sound in policy. Notability NOT inherited is a guideline usually intended for people, and its application to other broader topics is tenuous. Within the guidelines of WP:FICT, it is possible to consider this article a valid supplement to Naruto, with WP:N proved primarily by the parent article. Yet, while some encyclopedic information is provided by this text, it also is lacking in style and coherence. The article is not fully compliant with WP:PLOT, but is it clear that this is a defect of the current version, and not fundamental to the topic. For this reason, I have editorially redirected to Naruto, and invite all interested editors to merge encyclopedic information thereto. The close is left as a "no consensus" to emphasize that the merge is editorial, and that a strong rewrite might make this article viable on its own. Xoloz 16:49, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Naruto geography

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Notability not established using reliable secondary sources per WP:N. Article only uses primary sources, which is not sufficient for notability criteria. See also WP:PLOT. Subdolous 17:42, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Merge anything that might be needed. I haven't seen the other Naruto articles much, but having some settings information somewhere wouldn't be too bad if cleaned up. -- Ned Scott 02:22, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 11:45, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, per nom. Thanks, Codelyoko193 (T/C) 22:44, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per Ned Scott.--Sunny910910 (talk|Contributions) 00:07, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per Ned Scott. While the majority of that is worthless, there are a few which are worth noting. The big three already have mention in articles, so they're fine. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:14, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as per nom. Bobby1011 02:56, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - It describes the plot of a highly popular and notable anime and manga series, currently airing in America. A major rewrite is in order, but deleting it is overkill. dposse 18:22, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment - Notability is not inherited, unfortunately. The notability of the article subject itself needs to be established using reliable secondary sources. Which it isn't. Subdolous 22:11, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - I agree with what Dposse has said for this article.SuperN 19:23, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep it, it is useful! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.114.63.51 (talk)
    Comment - Usefulness is not an indicator of notability, which is a key criteria for the inclusion of articles on Wikipedia. See WP:USEFUL. Subdolous 22:11, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Not notable outside the game, the game itself might be, but not a description of a part of it. Mbisanz 05:46, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, per WP:SS. This isn't really a notability issue; essentially just a style issue. None of the pages in, say, Template:Pokemon directory for example, conform to the generic test of WP:N. Demanding substantial and credible coverage specifically on the subject of Naruto geography is nearly as ludicrous as demanding to see a NYT-like article devoted specifically to the subject of lists of Pokemon #461-480. Credible sources don't write about Naruto geography, lists of Pokemon having numbers between 461 and 480, or lists of bridges in China in particular -- they write about Naruto, Pokemon, and Bridges, and an exorbitant number of credible texts could be found which attend to those narrower topics but don't go into detail. WP:FICT agrees: "To a limited extent, sub-articles are sometimes born for technical reasons of length or style. Even these articles need real-world information to prove their notability, but must rely on the parent article to provide some of this background material (due to said technical reasons).[3] In these situations, the sub-article should be viewed as an extension of the parent article, and judged as if it were still a section of that article." Most topics -- Buffy the Vampire Slayer Collectible Card Game for example -- don't have the significance to merit WP:SPINOUTS of this kind; Naruto, being very highly significant, does. — xDanielx T/C 09:13, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment - The Pokemon argument is basically WP:WAX, which is not a valid argument. Summary style does not apply here, because subarticles still need to pass criteria for notability. Causes of WWI is notable and can stand on its own, fictional geography is unfortunately not. The WP:FICT passage you quoted says "Even these articles need real-world information to prove their notability," and WP:PLOT(which is policy, which trumps the guidelines that are cited here) is clear on this issue: "Wikipedia articles on published works (such as fictional stories) should cover their real-world context." Which is not the case here. Subdolous 16:40, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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