Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ragnar Bøe Elgsaas

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The result was keep. Sandstein 19:33, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ragnar Bøe Elgsaas

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This guy was convicted in the early 1990s, and has never been in the media spotlight again. Totally un notable Huldra (talk) 21:22, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Besides the coverage in the 1990s politcal scandal, seems he is currently a union boss - [1][2][3][4][5]. Icewhiz (talk) 13:29, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per sources brought by Icewhiz.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:46, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Lol! User:Icewhiz, User:E.M.Gregory, ok, fine that you are wikistalking me, but could you at least try to get an iota of info before you voice your opinion? Mr Bøe Elgsaas is NOT a "union boss", AFAIK he has never hold any elected office since the 1990s. He is (and has been) employed as a consultant (on pensions rights) in various Unions, and as such, has been asked to testify sometimes when issues about pension rights are taken to court. Hence all the links given by Icewhiz. Needless to say; this man is unknown by, oh, in my guess: at least by 99,99% of Norwegians (no article about him on any other wp.) Some "union boss", indeed, Huldra (talk) 20:26, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - A bit more than a mere consultant. @Huldra:, Please strike your personal attack / WP:ASPERSIONS above. I !vote regularly in AfDs (over 1000 to date [6]). In at least one of the delsorts this is in I !vote in over 90% of listings. EMG is also an AfD regular in a couple of the delsorts here.Icewhiz (talk) 20:39, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    - Where does it say that he is more than a mere consultant? A "union boss" implies someone who has been elected into a leadership position, not a mere employee. AFAIK, he hasn't held elected office since 1995 (and even that was in a rather minor position.) Huldra (talk) 21:04, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      - Union boss does not imply elected - some of the greatest never were. Here he is forbundssekretær, and he is nominated to run LO Stat.[7] Regardless of his position - he is covered as a topic and has his photo in newsitems (in the trade union rag, as well as elsewhere).Icewhiz (talk) 21:23, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
        "Union boss does not imply elected - some of the greatest never were"...that may be true in the US, or in Israel(?), but it certainly isn't true in Norway. And some people nominated him as leader of LO Stat in 2016, yes, but he was never elected. Egil André Aas was elected leader 01.02.2017 (link), Huldra (talk) 21:31, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
        True all over the world - guy behind the guy, etc. Regardless, he was forbundssekretær (federal secretary) in NTL s from 2010 to 2016, and was covered due to it - so whatever a forbundssekretær does, it does generage coverage. And the 90s political scandal drove coverage and adds notability lest we forget.Icewhiz (talk) 21:39, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
        No, sorry, but just no. Norway isn't the Middle East...you dont operate with the "guy behind the guy" (which is Norwegian political life would more be "the gal behind the gal") in Norway. It is more "WYSIWYG". And forbundssekretær is basically a ..secretary. I can hardly believe it when you say that that is notable, Huldra (talk) 21:50, 27 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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After doing time for the Workers' Youth League affair, he has recovered and gets into the news pretty regularly. He does not always win the elections he stands in [8]. He is a politician within the Norwegian Civil Service Union. Here, from gTranslate and this [9] article about an election he lost, is a sort of c.v.:

• Federal Secretary of the NTL since 2010
• Director of NTL Finanstilsynet between 2006 and 2010, as well as chairman of NTL's county committee in Oslo 2008-2010.
• Educated economist
• Has served in AP and AUF, including 1. to the Storting." Do I understand Norwegian politics, no. But notability is WP:NOTTEMPORARY; the Workers' Youth League affair was a big deal, and he continues to be politically active and covered in the press.E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:06, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

- - No, the Workers' Youth League affair was NOT "a big deal", frankly to claim that is pure rubbish. BUT: en.wp have some (Norwegians?) who have made it a big deal. There is a difference. I doubt if anyone under the age of 40 in Norway has ever even heard of this affair. There is no doubt that the Bøe Elgsaas article was started as a WP:ATTACK page...note that the article about the Workers' Youth League affair is 22K long, compare that with the Orderud case (a triple killing): 15K, the Mossad mess-up assassination, Lillehammer affair: 13 K, the Hadeland murders (a double murder), which is just a redir to Norwegian Germanic Army: 4K, the NOKAS robbery (coldblooded killing of a policeman): 12K. If we are to judge by the care that some have put into the 22K long Workers' Youth League affair, then that case was more important than all the others cases I have mentioned. (Compare it also to Mazyar Keshvari, his defrauding of 290,000NOK gets one sentence...while defrauding by the AUF of 648,000 NOK gets 22k!),
  - There is also good reason why this article does not have any corresponding article in the Norwegian wikipedias, neither in Nynorsk (nn.wp) nor Bokmål (no.wp): the guy is simply not notable, Huldra (talk) 21:33, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The article needs some expansion, but the stub is good and passes WP:POLITICIAN. Also see above sources brought by E.M.Gregory and Icewhiz. --1l2l3k (talk) 00:29, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, MP. Geschichte (talk) 21:24, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - passes WP:GNG and WP:POLITICIAN.BabbaQ (talk) 22:28, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment are we actually sure he passes WP:NPOL? What's a "deputy representative?" SportingFlyer talk 18:03, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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