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editPlease add new requests at the top of the list, preferably with a link to the parent category (in case of C2C) or relevant article (in case of C2D).
- Category:1920s Soviet and Russian airliners to Category:1920s Soviet airliners – C2C: 1920s was "Soviet", not "Russian". All other subcategories of Category:1920s Soviet aircraft use just "Soviet". The Bushranger One ping only 00:01, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:1930s Soviet and Russian agricultural aircraft to Category:1920s Soviet agricultural aircraft – C2C: All other subcategories of Category:1930s Soviet aircraft and Category:1920s Soviet aircraft (bar one, also proposed for renaming) are just "Soviet". Only contents (so far) are a 1920s-flown aircraft. The Bushranger One ping only 23:58, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Dassault Group aircraft to Category:Dassault aircraft – C2B: Both the standard for aircraft categories and the common useage in sources is to simplify the aircraft manufacturer's name, which in this case is simply "Dassault". The Bushranger One ping only 22:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Criminals from Jacksonville to Category:Criminals from Jacksonville, Florida – C2C * Pppery * it has begun... 22:21, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Stratos Aircraft to Category:Stratos aircraft – C2A: Standard format for subcategories of Category:Aircraft by manufacturer. The Bushranger One ping only 21:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Finance ministers of Egypt to Category:Ministers of finance of Egypt – C2D: Per List of ministers of finance of Egypt. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:48, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Finance ministers of Brazil to Category:Ministers of finance of Brazil – C2D: Per List of ministers of finance of Brazil. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:47, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Health ministers of Turkey to Category:Ministers of health of Turkey – C2D: Per List of ministers of health of Turkey. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:45, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Health ministers of Brazil to Category:Ministers of health of Brazil – C2D: Per List of ministers of health of Brazil. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:45, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Education ministers of Egypt to Category:Ministers of education of Egypt – C2D: Per List of ministers of education of Egypt. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:44, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:List of ministers for finance of Denmark to Category:Ministers for finance of Denmark – C2C: I mistakenly included "List of" in the title when I proposed this for renaming. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:41, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Transport ministers of Austria to Category:Ministers of transport of Austria – C2D: Per List of ministers of transport (Austria) / C2C with typical minister category naming conventions. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:38, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Social affairs ministers of Austria to Category:Ministers of social affairs of Austria – C2D: Per List of ministers of social affairs (Austria) / C2C with typical minister category naming conventions. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:38, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Justice ministers of Austria to Category:Ministers of justice of Austria – C2D: Per List of ministers of justice (Austria) / C2C with typical minister category naming conventions. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:37, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Finance ministers of Austria to Category:Ministers of finance of Austria – C2D: Per List of ministers of finance (Austria) / C2C with typical minister category naming conventions. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:37, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Education ministers of Austria to Category:Ministers of education of Austria – C2D: Per List of ministers of education (Austria) / C2C with typical minister category naming conventions. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:37, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Economy ministers of Austria to Category:Ministers of economy of Austria – C2D: Per List of ministers of economy (Austria) / C2C with typical minister category naming conventions. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:35, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Foreign ministers of Colombia to Category:Ministers of foreign affairs of Colombia – C2D: Per List of ministers of foreign affairs of Colombia. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:33, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Foreign ministers of Brazil to Category:Ministers of foreign affairs of Brazil – C2D: Per List of ministers of foreign affairs of Brazil. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:33, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Foreign ministers of Uruguay to Category:Ministers of foreign relations of Uruguay – C2D: Per List of ministers of foreign relations of Uruguay. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:32, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Defence ministers of Iraq to Category:Ministers of defence of Iraq – C2D: Per List of ministers of defence of Iraq. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:28, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Defense ministers of Indonesia to Category:Ministers of defense of Indonesia – C2D: Per List of ministers of defense (Indonesia) / C2C with typical minister category naming conventions. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:28, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Defence ministers of Ukraine to Category:Ministers of defense of Ukraine – C2D: Per List of ministers of defense (Ukraine) / C2C with typical minister category naming conventions. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:27, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Political parties in Kingdom of Romania to Category:Political parties in the Kingdom of Romania – I just created this category and forgot to include the in the title. I would prefer to fix this before I expand it further. Charles Essie (talk) 19:27, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Defence ministers of Spain to Category:Ministers of defence of Spain – C2D: Per List of ministers of defence (Spain) / C2C with typical minister category naming conventions. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Current Cricket articles to Category:Current cricket articles – C2A. Armbrust The Homunculus 19:25, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Foreign ministers of Namibia to Category:Ministers of foreign affairs of Namibia – C2D: Per List of ministers of foreign affairs of Namibia. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:05, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Foreign ministers of Malta to Category:Ministers for foreign affairs of Malta – C2D: Per List of ministers for foreign affairs of Malta. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Foreign ministers of Ecuador to Category:Ministers of foreign affairs of Ecuador – C2D: Per List of ministers of foreign affairs of Ecuador. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:04, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Minister of foreign affairs of Denmark to Category:Ministers of foreign affairs of Denmark – C2C: Make plural. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Australian ministers for Foreign Affairs to Category:Ministers for foreign affairs of Australia – C2D: Minister for Foreign Affairs (Australia) / C2C with typical minister category naming format. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:01, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Foreign ministers of Algeria to Category:Ministers of foreign affairs of Algeria – C2D: List of ministers of foreign affairs of Algeria. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:New Zealand foreign ministers to Category:Ministers of foreign affairs of New Zealand – C2D: Per Minister of Foreign Affairs (New Zealand) / C2C with typical minister naming style. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:59, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Salvadoran Ministers of Foreign Affairs to Category:Ministers of foreign affairs of El Salvador – C2D: List of ministers of foreign affairs of El Salvador. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Foreign ministers of Paraguay to Category:Ministers of foreign affairs of Paraguay – C2D: Per Minister of Foreign Affairs (Paraguay), also C2A for caps, and C2C for formatting of category name. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:56, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television works about intersex to Category:Intersex representation in television – C2D: main article recently moved per RM consensus. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 17:20, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, too broad for a category, the proposed name may lead to editors adding articles to the category for which intersex is not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Diocese of Szechwan to Category:Diocese of Western China – C2D: per Diocese of Western China. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Belgian cinema task group articles to Category:Belgian cinema task force articles – C2B. Earthh (talk) 11:11, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Victoria City to Category:Victoria, Hong Kong – C2D: per Victoria, Hong Kong. 1857a (talk) 10:19, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Victims of the Nazi war crimes during the Warsaw Uprising to Category:Victims of Nazi war crimes during the Warsaw Uprising – C2A. 1857a (talk) 10:11, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:2016 ICC World Twenty20 to Category:2016 World Twenty20 – C2D: 2016 World Twenty20 Joseph2302 (talk) 09:08, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:2014 ICC World Twenty20 to Category:2014 World Twenty20 – C2D: 2014 World Twenty20 Joseph2302 (talk) 09:08, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:2012 ICC World Twenty20 to Category:2012 World Twenty20 – C2D: 2012 World Twenty20 Joseph2302 (talk) 09:08, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:2010 ICC World Twenty20 to Category:2010 World Twenty20 – C2D: 2010 World Twenty20 Joseph2302 (talk) 09:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Televison awards that need updating to Category:Television awards that need updating – C2A: sp "Televison" John of Reading (talk) 09:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:2009 ICC World Twenty20 to Category:2009 World Twenty20 – C2D: 2009 World Twenty20 Joseph2302 (talk) 09:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:2007 ICC World Twenty20 to Category:2007 World Twenty20 – C2D: 2007 World Twenty20 Joseph2302 (talk) 09:06, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Astronomical nomenclature by nation to Category:Astronomical nomenclature by country – C2C: Norm is country, not nation. Also parents are Astronomy by country (−) (±) (↓) (↑)Space programs by country SMasonGarrison 05:23, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Vice Mayors of San Jose, California to Category:Vice mayors of San Jose, California – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES. 1857a (talk) 05:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Vice-chancellors of BSFMSTU to Category:Vice-chancellors of Bangamata Sheikh Fojilatunnesa Mujib Science and Technology University – C2D: per Bangamata Sheikh Fojilatunnesa Mujib Science and Technology University. 1857a (talk) 04:19, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Vice-Mayors of Jonava to Category:Vice-mayors of Jonava – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES. 1857a (talk) 04:16, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Vice-Presidents of the House of Representatives of Thailand to Category:Vice-presidents of the House of Representatives (Thailand) – C2A and C2D: per MOS:JOBTITLES and House of Representatives (Thailand). 1857a (talk) 04:13, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Vice-Presidents of the Executive Council of the Irish Free State to Category:Vice-presidents of the Executive Council of the Irish Free State – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES. 1857a (talk) 04:10, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Vice-Presidents of the European Court of Justice to Category:Vice-presidents of the European Court of Justice – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES. 1857a (talk) 04:09, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Vice-Presidents of the Board of Land and Works to Category:Vice-presidents of the Board of Land and Works – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES. 1857a (talk) 04:09, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Vice-Presidents of the National Assembly (Slovenia) to Category:Vice-presidents of the National Assembly (Slovenia) – C2A: MOS:JOBTITLES. 1857a (talk) 04:06, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Soulcalibur series characters to Category:Soulcalibur characters – C2B. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:10, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Dance Dance Revolution games to Category:Dance Dance Revolution – C2D: not sure it went by this title instead for years. and besides, the 4 other languages except Thai version of this category currently have this exact same title I proposed. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 00:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Soulcalibur series games to Category:Soulcalibur video games – C2A. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 00:56, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Unknown-importance CE articles to Category:Unknown-importance Civil engineering articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 21:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Top-importance CE articles to Category:Top-importance Civil engineering articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 21:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:NA-importance CE articles to Category:NA-importance Civil engineering articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 21:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Mid-importance CE articles to Category:Mid-importance Civil engineering articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 21:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Low-importance CE articles to Category:Low-importance Civil engineering articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 21:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:High-importance CE articles to Category:High-importance Civil engineering articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 21:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:CE articles by importance to Category:Civil engineering by importance – C2A. Gonnym (talk) 21:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Unassessed CE articles to Category:Unassessed Civil engineering articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 21:46, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Stub-Class CE articles to Category:Stub-Class Civil engineering articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 21:46, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Start-Class CE articles to Category:Start-Class Civil engineering articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 21:45, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:NA-Class CE articles to Category:NA-Class Civil engineering articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 21:45, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:List-Class CE articles to Category:List-Class Civil engineering articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 21:45, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:GA-Class CE articles to Category:GA-Class Civil engineering articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 21:45, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:FL-Class CE articles to Category:FL-Class Civil engineering articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 21:45, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:FA-Class CE articles to Category:FA-Class Civil engineering articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 21:45, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:C-Class CE articles to Category:C-Class Civil engineering articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 21:45, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:B-Class CE articles to Category:B-Class Civil engineering articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 21:45, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:A-Class CE articles to Category:A-Class Civil engineering articles – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 21:45, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:CE articles by quality to Category:Civil engineering articles by quality – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 21:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:CE articles needing attention to Category:Civil engineering articles needing attention – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 21:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Bulilimamangwe District to Category:Districts of Matabeleland South Province – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Bulilimamangwe District. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:25, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Bujumbura Light University to Category:Universities and colleges in Burundi – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Bujumbura Light University. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:23, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Bubi District to Category:Districts of Matabeleland North Province – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Bubi District. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Brześć Kujawski Voivodeship to Category:Voivodeships of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Brześć Kujawski Voivodeship. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:20, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Brunei national football team results to Category:Brunei national football team – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Brunei national football team results. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:14, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Brahmanpara Upazila to Category:Upazilas of Comilla District – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Brahmanpara Upazila. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:09, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Capella (band) albums to Category:Cappella (band) albums – C2D: per Cappella (band). 1857a (talk) 11:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Cambrian School District to Category:School districts in San Jose, California – C2F merge. 1857a (talk) 09:17, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:San Joaquín District, Paraguay to Category:Districts of Caaguazú Department – C2F. 1857a (talk) 09:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Simón Bolívar District, Paraguay to Category:Districts of Caaguazú Department – C2F. 1857a (talk) 09:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Caaguazú District to Category:Districts of Caaguazú Department – C2F. 1857a (talk) 09:02, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:NBA championship-winning players from Australia to Category:NBA championship–winning players from Australia – The only difference is changing the hyphen (-) to an en dash (–) to match the format of Category:NBA championship–winning head coaches. I've also requested the other subcategories of Category:NBA championship-winning players as well as that category itself be renamed to match the format. BittersweetParadox (talk) 08:28, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:NBA championship-winning players from Canada to Category:NBA championship–winning players from Canada – The only difference is changing the hyphen (-) to an en dash (–) to match the format of Category:NBA championship–winning head coaches. I've also requested the other subcategories of Category:NBA championship-winning players as well as that category itself be renamed to match the format. BittersweetParadox (talk) 08:28, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:NBA championship-winning players from France to Category:NBA championship–winning players from France – The only difference is changing the hyphen (-) to an en dash (–) to match the format of Category:NBA championship–winning head coaches. I've also requested the other subcategories of Category:NBA championship-winning players as well as that category itself be renamed to match the format. BittersweetParadox (talk) 08:28, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Super Bowl winning players to Category:Super bowl–winning players – I just created this category since there's a Category:Super Bowl–winning head coaches page, and there's both Category:NBA championship-winning players and Category:NBA championship–winning head coaches pages for the NBA. Anyway, I mistyped the title; it should be Category:Super Bowl–winning players; I just forgot the hyphen and put a space instead. My apologies. BittersweetParadox (talk) 08:28, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- @BittersweetParadox: Category:Super Bowl winning players has been deleted by Hey man im josh under WP:G4, since the effectively-synonymous category Super Bowl champions was previously deleted at CfD. jlwoodwa (talk) 18:19, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:NBA championship-winning players to Category:NBA championship–winning players – The only difference is changing the hyphen (-) to an en dash (–) to match the format of Category:NBA championship–winning head coaches. BittersweetParadox (talk) 08:28, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Mstislaw Voivodeship to Category:Voivodeships of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania – C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Lublin Voivodeship (1474–1795) to Category:Voivodeships of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth – C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:03, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Chernihiv Voivodeship to Category:Voivodeships of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth – C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:02, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Chełmno Voivodeship to Category:Voivodeships of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth – C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:01, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:People educated at Kapiti College to Category:People educated at Kāpiti College – C2D. ―Panamitsu (talk) 07:49, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:F.C. Felgueiras 1932 to Category:F.C. Felgueiras (2006) – C2D: per F.C. Felgueiras (2006). HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 06:53, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:R. Olympic Charleroi Châtelet Farciennes to Category:Olympic Charleroi – C2D: C2D per Olympic Charleroi and new name. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 06:51, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:R. Olympic Charleroi Châtelet Farciennes players to Category:Olympic Charleroi players – C2D: C2D per Olympic Charleroi and new name. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 06:50, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Ħamrun Spartans F.C. players to Category:Hamrun Spartans F.C. players – C2D: Per Hamrun Spartans F.C., which was recently moved to reverse a WP:BOLDMOVE. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 06:41, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Boye County to Category:County-level divisions of Hebei – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Boye County, which is already in Category:Geography of Baoding. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:35, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Boyd-Buchanan School to Category:Education in Chattanooga, Tennessee – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Boyd-Buchanan School. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:34, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Boxing at the 2002 Commonwealth Games to Category:2002 Commonwealth Games events – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Boxing at the 2002 Commonwealth Games, which is already in the categories 2002 in boxing and Boxing at the Commonwealth Games. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:33, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Bowls at the Island Games to Category:Sports at the Island Games – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Bowls at the Island Games, which is already in Category:Bowls competitions. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:31, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Borisoglebsky District, Voronezh Oblast to Category:Districts of Voronezh Oblast – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Borisoglebsky District, Voronezh Oblast. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:27, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Borgå Akilles to Category:Bandy clubs in Finland – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Borgå Akilles, which is already in Category:Sport in Porvoo. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Bondo District to Category:Nyanza Province – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Bondo District, which is already in Category:Former districts of Kenya. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:15, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Bolivian Football Regional Leagues to Category:Football leagues in Bolivia – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Bolivian Football Regional Leagues, which is already in Category:Third level football leagues of South America. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:14, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Bodybuilding at the 2009 World Games to Category:2009 World Games – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Bodybuilding at the 2009 World Games, which is already in the categories 2009 in bodybuilding and Bodybuilding at the World Games. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:11, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Blue Lights (2023 TV series) to Category:2023 British television series debuts – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Blue Lights (2023 TV series). jlwoodwa (talk) 06:09, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Blastogenesis to Category:Embryogenesis – C2F: Contains only the eponymous redirect Blastogenesis. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:07, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Black Mountain (hill) to Category:Mountain ranges of the Brecon Beacons National Park – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Black Mountain (hill), which is already in Category:Mountains and hills of Powys. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:59, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Birnin Gwari to Category:Local Government Areas in Kaduna State – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Birnin Gwari. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:57, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Bhutan national under-17 football team to Category:Bhutan national football team – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Bhutan national under-17 football team. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:56, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Bhubhar to Category:Villages in Chakwal District – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Bhubhar. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:54, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Bharatiya Janata Yuva Morcha to Category:Youth wings of political parties in India – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Bharatiya Janata Yuva Morcha, which is already in Category:Bharatiya Janata Party wings. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:54, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:People by educational institution by former country to Category:People by educational institution and former country – C2C: parent is People by educational institution and country SMasonGarrison 05:45, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Belz Voivodeship to Category:Voivodeships of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Belz Voivodeship, which is already in the categories History of Red Ruthenia, Historical geography of Ukraine, and Early modern history of Ukraine. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:18, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Belorechensky District to Category:Districts of Krasnodar Krai – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Belorechensky District. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:16, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Belo Corporation to Category:Defunct television broadcasting companies of the United States – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Belo Corporation, which is already in Category:Companies based in Dallas. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:13, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Belgium at the World Athletics Relays to Category:Athletics in Belgium – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Belgium at the World Athletics Relays, which is already in Category:Nations at the World Athletics Relays. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:11, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Belbari Municipality to Category:Municipalities in Morang District – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Belbari Municipality, which is already in Category:Nepal municipalities established in 2014. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:08, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Beitar Kiryat Gat F.C. to Category:Sport in Kiryat Gat – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Beitar Kiryat Gat F.C.. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:07, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Beiertheim-Bulach to Category:Boroughs of Karlsruhe – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Beiertheim-Bulach. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:06, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy, C2F not applicable. Killarnee (talk) 19:53, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Beawar to Category:Cities and towns in Ajmer district – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Beawar. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Beach Street, Fremantle to Category:Streets in Fremantle – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Beach Street, Fremantle. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:03, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Bath City W.F.C. to Category:Football clubs in Somerset – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Bath City W.F.C., which is already in Category:Sport in Bath, Somerset. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:02, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Bangladesh Super League to Category:Football leagues in Bangladesh – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Bangladesh Super League, which is already in Category:Defunct top level football leagues in Asia. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:57, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Bandy World Cup Women to Category:World championships in winter sports – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Bandy World Cup Women, which is already in the categories International club bandy competitions and International bandy competitions hosted by Sweden. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:56, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Baltic Sea Trade Union Network to Category:European trade union federations – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Baltic Sea Trade Union Network. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:53, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Balkan Masters Athletics Championships to Category:Masters athletics (track and field) competitions – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Balkan Masters Athletics Championships, which is already in the categories Athletics competitions in Europe, Sport in the Balkans, and September sporting events. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:52, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Bahraini football club records and statistics to Category:Association football club records and statistics by country – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Bahraini football club records and statistics. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:50, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Badger-Gopher Conference to Category:Defunct NAIA conferences – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Badger-Gopher Conference. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:50, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Bach Super Transport to Category:Bach aircraft – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Bach Super Transport. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:41, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Bach Air Yacht to Category:Bach aircraft – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article Bach Air Yacht. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:40, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:BC Radviliškis to Category:Basketball teams in Lithuania – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article BC Radviliškis, which is already in Category:Sport in Radviliškis. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:39, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:BC Palanga to Category:Basketball teams in Lithuania – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article BC Palanga, which is already in Category:Sport in Palanga. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:BCD (character encoding) to Category:Character sets – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article BCD (character encoding). jlwoodwa (talk) 04:34, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:B-Robo Kabutack to Category:Metal Hero Series – C2F: Contains only the eponymous article B-Robo Kabutack. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:29, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Uzbek astronomers to Category:Uzbekistani astronomers – C2B: norm is Uzbekistani SMasonGarrison 03:33, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Football clubs from Sarajevo to Category:Football clubs in Sarajevo – C2C. - Darwinek (talk) 01:50, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Napoli Basket players to Category:Napoli Basket (2016) players – C2D. HanTsî (talk) 00:19, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:NBA championship to Category:NBA champions – C2E. HanTsî (talk) 02:26, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Please provide a reason why you want to make this change Assadzadeh (talk) 09:42, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Sailing clubs in New York (state) to Category:Yacht clubs in New York (state) – C2C: parent is Yacht clubs in the United States SMasonGarrison 01:55, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Sailing clubs in Georgia (U.S. state) to Category:Yacht clubs in Georgia (U.S. state)ó
- Category:Sailing clubs in Alabama to Category:Yacht clubs in Alabama
- Category:Sailing clubs in Florida to Category:Yacht clubs in Florida
- Category:Sailing clubs in Connecticut to Category:Yacht clubs in Connecticut
- Category:Sailing clubs in Colorado to Category:Yacht clubs in Colorado
- Oppose speedy Except 2 of the 24 subcategories of Category:Yacht clubs in the United States use "Sailing clubs" instead "Yacht clubs", thus per C2C it would make more sense to rename that instead. Armbrust The Homunculus 13:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose the sport is called sailing not yachting. The sport even changed it name in 1996 with the IOC. I set most of these categories up. Lets do the change the other way round. Yachty4000 (talk) 20:54, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Sailing clubs in Thailand to Category:Yacht clubs in Thailand – C2C: parent is Yacht clubs by country SMasonGarrison 01:33, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, the sports name is sailing not yachting the changes should be the other way round. The term Yachting and yacht club is a historical legacy. Yachty4000 (talk) 20:48, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Sailing clubs in Fiji to Category:Yacht clubs in Fiji – C2C: Parent is Yacht clubs by country SMasonGarrison 01:28, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose you should have grouped these changes your proposing Yachty4000 (talk) 20:49, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Swedish politicians of Assyrian/Syriac descent to Category:Swedish politicians of Assyrian descent – C2D: per Assyrians in Sweden. Surayeproject3 (talk)
- Category:Swedish people of Assyrian or Syriac descent to Category:Swedish people of Assyrian descent – C2D: per Assyrians in Sweden. Surayeproject3 (talk)
- Oppose speedy for both above, this has been at full CfD before: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_November_2#Assyrian/Syriac_categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:12, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - Are you saying that you oppose the speedy renaming, or the renaming as a whole? Would love your clarification if you can, and if need be, I'd love to have a bigger discussion on the renaming of the categories. Surayeproject3 (talk) 19:34, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Surayeproject3: I am opposing the speedy processing, while I haven't been weighing the substantive merits or drawbacks of this proposal yet. I happened to remember that it was once at full CfD. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:21, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Team Cali players to Category:Toros del Valle players – C2D. HanTsî (talk) 16:03, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- @HanTsî: Toros del Valle says that
a new team was founded under the name Toros del Valle, and replaced Team Cali in the league.
Does that mean all Team Cali players are retroactively Toros del Valle players? jlwoodwa (talk) 19:18, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- @HanTsî: Toros del Valle says that
Opposed requests
edit- Category:Mahls to Category:Mahl people – C2D: per Mahl people. 1857a (talk) 23:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy, convention is to have "people" categories populated with biographies. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:20, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:United States–European Union relations to Category:European Union–United States relations – C2D: and C2C (cousins). Web-julio (talk) 23:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Fiji–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Fiji relations
- Category:The Gambia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–the Gambia relations
- Category:Georgia (country)–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Georgia (country) relations
- Category:Greenland–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Greenland relations
- Category:Guatemala–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Guatemala relations
- Category:Guyana–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Guyana relations
- Category:Holy See–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Holy See relations
- Category:Iceland–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Iceland relations
- Category:India–European Union relations to Category:European Union–India relations
- Category:Indonesia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Indonesia relations
- Category:Iran–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Iran relations
- Category:Iraq–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Iraq relations
- Category:Israel–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Israel relations
- Category:Ivory Coast–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Ivory Coast relations
- Category:Jamaica–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Jamaica relations
- Category:Japan–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Japan relations
- Category:Jordan–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Jordan relations
- Category:Kazakhstan–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Kazakhstan relations
- Category:Kosovo–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Kosovo relations
- Category:Kyrgyzstan–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Kyrgyzstan relations
- Category:Lebanon–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Lebanon relations
- Category:Libya–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Libya relations
- Category:Liechtenstein–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Liechtenstein relations
- Category:Madagascar–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Madagascar relations
- Category:Malaysia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Malaysia relations
- Category:Maldives–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Maldives relations
- Category:Mali–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Mali relations
- Category:Mauritania–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Mauritania relations
- Category:Mauritius–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Mauritius relations
- Category:Mexico–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Mexico relations
- Category:Micronesia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Micronesia relations
- Category:Moldova–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Moldova relations
- Category:Monaco–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Monaco relations
- Category:Mongolia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Mongolia relations
- Category:Montenegro–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Montenegro relations
- Category:Morocco–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Morocco relations
- Category:Namibia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Namibia relations
- Category:Nepal–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Nepal relations
- Category:New Zealand–European Union relations to Category:European Union–New Zealand relations
- Category:Nicaragua–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Nicaragua relations
- Category:Niue–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Niue relations
- Category:North Korea–European Union relations to Category:European Union–North Korea relations
- Category:North Macedonia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–North Macedonia relations
- Category:Norway–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Norway relations
- Category:Pakistan–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Pakistan relations
- Category:Palau–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Palau relations
- Category:State of Palestine–European Union relations to Category:European Union–State of Palestine relations
- Category:Philippines–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Philippines relations
- Category:Qatar–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Qatar relations
- Category:Russia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Russia relations
- Category:Samoa–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Samoa relations
- Category:San Marino–European Union relations to Category:European Union–San Marino relations
- Category:São Tomé and Príncipe–European Union relations to Category:European Union–São Tomé and Príncipe relations
- Category:Saudi Arabia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Saudi Arabia relations
- Category:Serbia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Serbia relations
- Category:Seychelles–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Seychelles relations
- Category:Sierra Leone–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Sierra Leone relations
- Category:Singapore–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Singapore relations
- Category:Somalia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Somalia relations
- Category:South Africa–European Union relations to Category:European Union–South Africa relations
- Category:South Korea–European Union relations to Category:European Union–South Korea relations
- Category:Sri Lanka–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Sri Lanka relations
- Category:Switzerland–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Switzerland relations
- Category:Syria–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Syria relations
- Category:Taiwan–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Taiwan relations
- Category:Tanzania–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Tanzania relations
- Category:Tonga–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Tonga relations
- Category:Turkey–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Turkey relations
- Category:Turkmenistan–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Turkmenistan relations
- Category:Uganda–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Uganda relations
- Category:Ukraine–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Ukraine relations
- Category:Uzbekistan–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Uzbekistan relations
- Category:Venezuela–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Venezuela relations
- Category:Vietnam–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Vietnam relations
- Category:Yemen–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Yemen relations
- Category:Zambia–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Zambia relations
- Category:Zimbabwe–European Union relations to Category:European Union–Zimbabwe relations
- Commnet All European Union cats nominated are under the false impression that the EU is a country and that standard naming conventions apply. They don't. The EU is a multilateral organization. All categories nominated are under the proper naming convention. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:18, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Query @WikiCleanerMan: is this an objection to 'all of the above', then? - The Bushranger One ping only 23:09, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- No, they are not. In the case of some, many are C2D (such as the USA case). So shouldn't have a consistency with order? Because a category and some articles start with EU: European Union–Sudan relations, European Union–Turkey relations, and Category:European Union–Rwanda relations. Web-julio (talk) 23:11, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. I object. There needs to be wider consensus and there is no consensus as in case in point from 2014 from the US article talk page. Country-EU relations title format as been the way for a long time and it isn't going to change without a wider discussion for the articles. Nominator is going backwards by starting wit categorizes. Alphabetical order is for countries. EU is not a country. African Union-European Union is fine because those are two organizations not countries that have relations. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:29, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- @WikiCleanerMan So should I start CFD now or someone else? Web-julio (talk) 00:55, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Web-julio you can if you want, but I don't think that it's going to be successful. I don't think that the rename is a good idea because having the country first is more helpful for navigation. As I've mentioned on your talk page, I think you need to slow down and learn more about categorization norms before making mass changes. SMasonGarrison 02:03, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- So are we gonna keep Rwanda? There's nothing to learn here as no consensus or policy was shown regarding this inconsistency. Web-julio (talk) 02:06, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, well, if you think you know everything about categories fine. But I already pointed out that demanding a policy/consensus be shown is not a good way to learn about categorization. SMasonGarrison 02:15, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- There is consistency. As in they already existed already long before you started editing Wikipedia. The Rwanda category has to be changed to it's proper name setting. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 02:56, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, well, if you think you know everything about categories fine. But I already pointed out that demanding a policy/consensus be shown is not a good way to learn about categorization. SMasonGarrison 02:15, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- So are we gonna keep Rwanda? There's nothing to learn here as no consensus or policy was shown regarding this inconsistency. Web-julio (talk) 02:06, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Web-julio you can if you want, but I don't think that it's going to be successful. I don't think that the rename is a good idea because having the country first is more helpful for navigation. As I've mentioned on your talk page, I think you need to slow down and learn more about categorization norms before making mass changes. SMasonGarrison 02:03, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- @WikiCleanerMan So should I start CFD now or someone else? Web-julio (talk) 00:55, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. I object. There needs to be wider consensus and there is no consensus as in case in point from 2014 from the US article talk page. Country-EU relations title format as been the way for a long time and it isn't going to change without a wider discussion for the articles. Nominator is going backwards by starting wit categorizes. Alphabetical order is for countries. EU is not a country. African Union-European Union is fine because those are two organizations not countries that have relations. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:29, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- None of these are countries either: Category:African Union–European Union relations. Web-julio (talk) 23:13, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Commnet All European Union cats nominated are under the false impression that the EU is a country and that standard naming conventions apply. They don't. The EU is a multilateral organization. All categories nominated are under the proper naming convention. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 21:18, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Devil May Cry games to Category:Devil May Cry video games – C2B: revert to the old name, because, I just feel this way. It's not all the other categories under Category:Video games by franchise will also need to be moved. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Far Cry games to Category:Far Cry video games – C2B: it's not required to need the word "video" in these titles, but I just want to revert to the old name for the sake of it, I don't think it will be necessary though to rename all categories in Video games by franchise though. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:26, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- These two should better be moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:24, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Hippocampus (brain) to Category:Hippocampus – C2D: Disambiguation no longer necessary after Category:Hippocampus (genus) was moved. Trailblazer101 (talk) 07:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, WP:C2D does not apply because of Hippocampus (disambiguation). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:41, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Love jihad conspiracy theory to Category:Love related conspiracy theory – "Love Jihad" could be placed under a broader "Love conspiracy theory" category to highlight its shared structure with similar global narratives about covert motives in romantic relationships, enabling neutral, critical examination without endorsing its legitimacy. Aryan{Talk} 04:10, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - not tagged, but furthermore, is proposing a change of category scope, which would require a full discussion, not a speedy. - The Bushranger One ping only 06:35, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- The proposed change may aligns with the scope of the speedy process. However, I have started a discussion on the talk page to ensure transparency and gather any additional input. Aryan{Talk} 16:42, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Aryan: category talk pages usually have very low traffic. If you want to pursue this then better move the discussion to full CfD. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:51, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- The proposed change may aligns with the scope of the speedy process. However, I have started a discussion on the talk page to ensure transparency and gather any additional input. Aryan{Talk} 16:42, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - not tagged, but furthermore, is proposing a change of category scope, which would require a full discussion, not a speedy. - The Bushranger One ping only 06:35, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
On hold pending other discussion
edit- None currently
Moved to full discussion
edit- Category:Ascaridida to Category:Ascaridomorpha – C2D: The World Register of Marine Species (the authority on all marine taxa) accepts this taxa as infraorder Ascaridomorpha, with Ascaridida as an unaccepted synonym. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 09:39, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy The main article was only recently renamed and without discussion, thus C2D doesn't apply. Armbrust The Homunculus 13:47, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Premeditated Chaos: are you going to take this to full discussion? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:29, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, didn't watchlist the page and didn't see the response. Yes, I'll do a full discussion. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 22:18, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category was moved to full discussion by nominator. Armbrust The Homunculus 13:57, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, didn't watchlist the page and didn't see the response. Yes, I'll do a full discussion. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 22:18, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Premeditated Chaos: are you going to take this to full discussion? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:29, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Irish Arctic explorers to Category:Irish explorers of the Arctic – C2C: norm is FOOian explorers of the Arctic SMasonGarrison 12:37, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy I don't see any category that follows that norm. Regards, Armbrust The Homunculus 05:39, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - the parent category is Category:Explorers of the Arctic. - The Bushranger One ping only 07:43, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support speedy per Category:British explorers of Antarctica and Category:Norwegian explorers of Antarctica. Gedrose (talk) 07:29, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Armbrust do you still oppose? SMasonGarrison 17:10, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Fwiw, I can understand that it is opposed for speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:16, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Well, it would have been nice for them to confirm that their concerns weren't addressed by the other comments. I've moved it to full. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 23#Category:Irish Arctic explorers SMasonGarrison 02:08, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Fwiw, I can understand that it is opposed for speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:16, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Armbrust do you still oppose? SMasonGarrison 17:10, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support speedy per Category:British explorers of Antarctica and Category:Norwegian explorers of Antarctica. Gedrose (talk) 07:29, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment - the parent category is Category:Explorers of the Arctic. - The Bushranger One ping only 07:43, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy I don't see any category that follows that norm. Regards, Armbrust The Homunculus 05:39, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:PWHL New York to Category:New York Sirens – C2D. User:Namiba 14:14, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:PWHL Montreal coaches to Category:Montreal Victoire coaches – C2D. User:Namiba 14:14, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:PWHL Boston to Category:Boston Fleet – C2D. User:Namiba 14:12, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:PWHL Montreal to Category:Montreal Victoire – C2D. User:Namiba 14:48, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:PWHL Ottawa to Category:Ottawa Charge – C2D. User:Namiba 14:07, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Contesting all PWHL moves. Discussion should be had as to whether these should be separate categories pre- and post-rebrand. Wheatzilopochtli (talk) 16:10, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Namiba: are you planning to take these to full discussion? Marcocapelle (talk) 08:52, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:22, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Contesting all PWHL moves. Discussion should be had as to whether these should be separate categories pre- and post-rebrand. Wheatzilopochtli (talk) 16:10, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Category:20th-century explorers from the Russian Empire to Category:20th-century Russian explorers – C2C: The norm is for the 20th century to be Russian FOO SMasonGarrison 03:20, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy All of the entries in the category were born before 1917, and thus in the Russian Empire. Armbrust The Homunculus 22:08, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Would you like me to remove them? The norm is for this category to be called Category:20th-century Russian FOO. Are they not also russian? I do not see why this category should be treated differently than every other 20th-century Russian people category. @Armbrust Are you still opposed? SMasonGarrison 20:38, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose a valid item in the subtree category:Explorers by former country. --Altenmann >talk 21:07, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- I already moved this to a full nomination. Why are you opposing here?SMasonGarrison 02:26, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Discussion was relisted on CFD 2024 Nov 19. Armbrust The Homunculus 13:55, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- I already moved this to a full nomination. Why are you opposing here?SMasonGarrison 02:26, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy All of the entries in the category were born before 1917, and thus in the Russian Empire. Armbrust The Homunculus 22:08, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Current discussions
editWikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 26
November 25
editNEW NOMINATIONS
editCategory:Mammal attacks
edit- Propose merging Category:Mammal attacks to Category:Animal attacks
- Propose merging Category:Carnivoran attacks to Category:Animal attacks
- Propose merging Category:Ungulate attacks to Category:Animal attacks
- Nominator's rationale: Non defining intersection. There is no obvious special thing about attacks by mammals compared to non-mammals. Alternatively rename to "Animal attacks by type of animal" and contain all such subcategories. As for the others, they are an unnecessary parent category without enough subcategories to merit such things. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:50, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:AEW aircraft
edit- Propose merging Category:AEW aircraft to Category:AWACS aircraft
- Nominator's rationale: These are a subset of Airborne Early Warning and Control System (AWACS) aircraft, mostly early (but not all), and there is siginifcant overlap. The WP:COMMONNAME for this type of aircraft is 'AWACS'. The Bushranger One ping only 23:23, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The basic claim here is untrue. AWACS aircraft are a subset of AEW aircraft, not the other way around. Only the latest generations (from the '60s onwards, maybe the Lockheed EC-121 Warning Star as the first) and the largest aircraft also had an AWACS capability. The earlier ones, and still the smaller ones, or the tactical theatre aircraft were limited to AEW only.
- We could merge all to AEW. That would be valid and correct. However I would oppose the merge in either direction, as the two types are distinct, defining and more useful when kept separate. Andy Dingley (talk) 23:34, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:NCAA Division I men's lacrosse tournament venues
edit- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCVENUE. User:Namiba 22:37, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:People associated with the Museo Nacional de Ciencias Naturales
edit- Nominator's rationale: Category with just one entry. Lost in Quebec (talk) 15:38, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep – I've populated it to seven articles, and I'm pretty sure most of them meet WP:CATDEF. jlwoodwa (talk) 17:48, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete in the spirit of WP:PERFCAT, the Museo Nacional de Ciencias Naturales was one of multiple employers of the subjects in the category. The category is defining for Pere Alberch only. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:55, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:2026 anime television series debuts
edit- Nominator's rationale: WP:TOOSOON category for one television series on a future characteristic that has been predicted but not yet confirmed. As always, just because a television series is planned to premiere on a future date doesn't always mean that date is written in stone -- any number of things can happen to mess with the predicted premiere date, so that this could be finished faster than planned and thus actually premiere in 2025, slower than planned and thus not actually premiere until 2027 or 2028, or collapse entirely and thus never make it to air at all.
Obviously no prejudice against recreation in the late fall of 2025, when we have locked-in 2026 premieres to file in it, but it isn't already needed in 2024 for just one series that's still in the pipeline as of right now, especially when it's already in the appropriate Category:Upcoming anime television series as it is. Bearcat (talk) 15:34, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, we have Category:Upcoming anime television series for this and the article is already in it. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:People by paranormal abilities
edit- Nominator's rationale: The current title of this category suggests the abilities are real. Given that these abilities have never been scientifically proven, it should specify they are alleged. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:14, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. It's better but the problem with both the above categories is that they appear to be intended to refer to claimants only but are not descriptive enough and could also include Category:Paranormal investigators and Category:People associated with the paranormal. What about Category:People claiming paranormal ability or Category:Paranormal ability claimants? 5Q5|✉ 13:14, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'd be fine with those too... anything besides the current one. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. It's better but the problem with both the above categories is that they appear to be intended to refer to claimants only but are not descriptive enough and could also include Category:Paranormal investigators and Category:People associated with the paranormal. What about Category:People claiming paranormal ability or Category:Paranormal ability claimants? 5Q5|✉ 13:14, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. While it is, indeed, not scientifically proven, it doesn't change the fact that "purported" is POV language, just in the other way. The simplest name is the one it's at. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment The people claiming paranormal abilities have the burden to prove they possess them in a scientific lab setting. If they cannot, then I don't believe saying "purported" or "claimed" is POV. If there was even a smidgen of scientific confirmation, then perhaps it would be. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:28, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Diplomatic missions in Oman
edit- Propose merging Category:Diplomatic missions in Oman to Category:Foreign relations of Oman
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing only a list article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 14:58, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and upmerge. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:52, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Upmerge for now – since none of the listed missions have their own articles, this category is unnecessary. jlwoodwa (talk) 17:55, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:01, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Non-Assamese-language films with Assamese connection
edit- Nominator's rationale: For consistency with Category:Japan in non-Japanese culture. Kailash29792 (talk) 14:49, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete in the spirit of WP:OCASSOC. It could have been different if the entries were documentary films about Assam but that is not the case. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:05, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Currencies of the Commonwealth of Nations
edit- Nominator's rationale: This category is unnecessary. The Commonwealth has no trade or economic policy role and its member states often have very little in common economically. Grouping together 95 currencies on the basis of current or former membership of the Commonwealth makes no sense. No equivalent category exists for other international organisations, including those with significant economic and trade roles. AusLondonder (talk) 13:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Roc (mythology)
edit- Nominator's rationale: This is a category that is, essentially, "performers by peformance" - it's "works that have featured a Roc" and "things named after the Roc", with a smattering of other roc-like mythological birds and one extinct bird that *might* have been the source of the Roc legend. Regardless, this is a pretty tenuously connected group of articles that is, I believe, WP:OC. The main article is already categorised in this category's parent cats. The Bushranger One ping only 05:24, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Mythological characters and concepts are not "performers", nor covered by a terminology intended to cover actors. Dimadick (talk) 05:27, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- It's a CfD phraseology, not an explicit description of the contents. Football stadiums also aren't "performers", but that description has been used in CfDs for deleting "stadiums that hosted event X" categories, for instance. And it doesn't change the fact that this is WP:OC. - The Bushranger One ping only 06:01, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, not a defining characteristic of the articles in this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:11, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete No clear inclusion criteria. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:00, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fictional males by franchise
edit- Nominator's rationale: Few to none of the things in here qualify as a franchise, making this category misleading. Made by a blocked user. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:18, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep; there may be a slight imprecision, but these categories work fine. – Fayenatic London 09:09, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- There is not a "slight" imprecision, as almost none are a franchise (besides maybe Bond girls). Most refer to a company instead or are unfitting to belong in the category. I will say that some, like the comics ones, might have to be merged into Category:Fictional females. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:16, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment These seem to be subdivisions by publishing company instead of media franchise. Dimadick (talk) 19:10, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Fictional males and Category:Fictional females, some subcategories are by company, but it is a hodgepodge altogether. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
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- If renamed, then purge the subcategories that are not by company. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:28, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Travelers
edit- Propose merging Category:Travelers to Category:People by behavior
- Propose merging Category:Female travelers to Category:Women by behavior
- Propose merging Category:Fictional travelers to Category:Fictional characters by behavior
- Nominator's rationale: It is tough to understand how this could possibly be defining. Most everyone is a traveler at some point, so it's simply too vague to function as a category. Furthermore, many of the categories herein make no sense. Migrants and stowaways are not necessarily travelers by nature, but are taking a potentially one-time journey. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:53, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I made a bit of an error in nominating; I meant to suggest merging the first two to Category:People by behavior and Category:Women by behavior respectively rather than deletion. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:58, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose "Most everyone is a traveler at some point" But everyone is not known for these travels, nor everyone leaves a mark in travel literature. As always, categories are for those largely defined by the these activities. Dimadick (talk) 19:51, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- If it's not obvious a category is defining, and it is not here, then it is a non-defining category. "Category:People by form of notable travel" would be a more defining and correct title for this particular category, but clunky and IMO, somewhat arbitrary. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:24, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Containerize Category:Travelers and Category:Female travelers, the subcategories are related somehow, but there shouldn't be any articles directly in these categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:19, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Category:Fictional travelers, neutral on the rest - A character can be defined by the fact that they travel for lengthy periods of time, not sure about real people. (Oinkers42) (talk) 16:34, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- That is a fair point, the whole storyline may be about someone's travel. In real life that doesn't really apply though. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Crypt of the NecroDancer
edit- Propose merging Category:Crypt of the NecroDancer to Category:Rhythm-action games
- Nominator's rationale: same kind of situation with the Coffee Talk category. Just one main game and the spin off based on The Legend of Zelda. This category also contains 3 non-free files related to both games, but they're just files and don't think that qualifies as enough to keep the category. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 02:20, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, the two articles are already directly interlinked. But presumably merge to parent Category:Rhythm-action games. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:16, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, Too few articles fit into this category making it an undue category by itself.--23mason (talk) 17:23, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Viking Age slave trade
edit- Propose renaming Category:Viking Age slave trade to Category:Medieval European slave trade
- Nominator's rationale: rename to something more general, it was a trade chain from eastern Europe to among others Al-Andalus, the Vikings had something to do with it, but did not dominate the whole chain. The issue is not that Vikings were around in this period, the issue is that most Slavs weren't Christianized yet and hence were accepted as subjects of slave trade. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:48, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. There seem to be a misunderstanding here. This category is meant to be used for the slave trade which was managed by the vikings specifically, not just slave trade taking place in Europe during the middle ages. That would be too wide an issue: there is also for example the Prague slave trade, the Venetian slave trade, etc.
- The vikings did not dominate the trade in slaves from Western Europe to al-Andalus. They did participate in it, certainly, but they did not dominate it.
- They did, however, certainly dominate the trade in slaves from Europe to the Middle East via Eastern Europe/"Russia". The slave trade played a major part for viking economy, and the vikings played a major part as a supplyer for the trade in European slaves to the Abbasid Caliphate via Russia.
- The category is meant to be used only for the slave trade of the vikings. It could be a subcategory of a future middle ages slave trade of course. --Aciram (talk) 22:21, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- There is not just the element of supply, there is also a further chain and a demand side. Via Prague the slaves went to al-Andalus and via Bukhara there were various other sources of slave supply than Vikings too. Attributing everything to the Vikings skews the facts. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:41, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Fooian-century Fooian male/women classical pianists
edit- Propose merging Category:20th-century French male classical pianists to Category:French male classical pianists and Category:20th-century French classical pianists and Category:20th-century French male pianists
- Propose merging Category:21st-century French women classical pianists to Category:French women classical pianists and Category:21st-century French classical pianists and Category:21st-century French women pianists
- Propose merging Category:21st-century French male classical pianists to Category:French male classical pianists and Category:21st-century French classical pianists and Category:21st-century French male pianists
- Propose merging Category:21st-century British women classical pianists to Category:British women classical pianists and Category:21st-century British classical pianists and Category:21st-century British women pianists
- Propose merging Category:20th-century German male classical pianists to Category:German male classical pianists and Category:20th-century German classical pianists and Category:20th-century German male pianists
- Propose merging Category:21st-century German male classical pianists to Category:German male classical pianists and Category:21st-century German male pianists
- Nominator's rationale: I don't think we need to diffuse at the 5-way intersection of nationality, gender, century, instrument, and genre, especially since there isn't a FOOian-century male classical pianists or FOOian-century women classical pianists parent. SMasonGarrison 12:49, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, I think that the last category should also be merged to Category:21st-century German classical pianists. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:15, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! My apologies for missing some.SMasonGarrison 00:00, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Even though these are 5-way intersections, 151 members means that Category:20th-century French male classical pianists is not a narrow intersection. I think this nomination needs to be expanded with the French & British C18 and C19 siblings, and those missing from C20 i.e. Category:20th-century French women classical pianists and Category:20th-century British women classical pianists. The C18 ones within Category:18th-century classical pianists are certainly WP:OCNARROW, so perhaps only those should be merged. – Fayenatic London 14:54, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
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- So I get FL's point about size, but I'd still suggest considering non-classical parent category, such as Category:20th-century French male pianists, which only has 25 people in it, so not much information is really lost in that direction. SMasonGarrison 23:31, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- By all means expand the nomination with sibling categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:05, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose The parent category FOOian-century women classical pianists should be created instead. Dimadick (talk) 16:02, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Evil child films
edit- Propose renaming Category:Evil child films to Category:Films about evil children
- Nominator's rationale: As per precedent set on multiple occasions, rename category to make it more clear that this category is intended only for films in which evil children are a primary aspect, not an incidental one. DonIago (talk) 22:28, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- I guess my question is why we'd even have this category in the first place. What's next? Films about evil middle aged people? NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 02:49, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Drown Soda (talk · contribs) only created the category today; perhaps they will stop by and weigh in on their motives? DonIago (talk) 03:41, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- I realize that we already have an existing category for films about juvenile delinquency here, but the "evil child" film is an established sub-genre of horror cinema, of which we have MANY other existing categories (i.e. slasher films, zombie films, serial killer films, haunted house films, etc.) There also happen to be a significant number of films that fall under this genre, which is why I thought it may be useful for categorical sorting purposes. And to be frank, I have no response to NinjaRobotPirate's slippery slope input here. Drown Soda (talk) 04:01, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- I don't want to weigh in on the merits of the existence of the category at this time, but I think one thing that might favor it being deleted, if editors want to go in that direction, is that there doesn't appear to be an article about evil child films, or if there is, the category makes no reference to it. DonIago (talk) 05:34, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- I realize that we already have an existing category for films about juvenile delinquency here, but the "evil child" film is an established sub-genre of horror cinema, of which we have MANY other existing categories (i.e. slasher films, zombie films, serial killer films, haunted house films, etc.) There also happen to be a significant number of films that fall under this genre, which is why I thought it may be useful for categorical sorting purposes. And to be frank, I have no response to NinjaRobotPirate's slippery slope input here. Drown Soda (talk) 04:01, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Drown Soda (talk · contribs) only created the category today; perhaps they will stop by and weigh in on their motives? DonIago (talk) 03:41, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- If it is a specific subgenre of horror films then better include that in the category name, e.g. Category:Evil child horror films and include this in the tree of Category:Horror films. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:12, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Horror films with child villains. "Evil" is purely subjective in nature. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:19, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- That is fine with me too. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:36, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Should it be "Horror films about child villains", or does "with" suffice? Sorry to be picky. DonIago (talk) 20:12, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- That is fine with me too. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:36, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Should be "about", that is the standard in the category tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:14, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Demon superheroes
edit- Propose merging Category:Demon superheroes to Category:Fictional demons
- Propose merging Category:Demon supervillains to Category:Fictional demons
- Nominator's rationale: The combination of demon and superhero does not appear to be defining, at least without evidence that it is. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:03, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, as these seem to be useful divisions of Category:Superheroes by type / Category:Supervillains by type. – Fayenatic London 09:26, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep We do not require "evidence" for category subdivisions. This is not a police investigation. Dimadick (talk) 19:07, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- WP:CATDEF states that reliable sources must "commonly and consistently refer to [the defining characteristic] in describing the topic", so it absolutely needs some sort of proof that RS single out demonic superheroes and villains as a class of their own. A pithy comment like calling it an investigation doesn't suddenly make it follow the Wikipedia policies. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:05, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Merge per Zxcvbnm, and it is also entirely obvious that demons have superpowers. But merge manually because most articles will already be in some other subcategory of Category:Fictional demons. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:37, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
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editCategory:Single seat helicopters
edit- Nominator's rationale: We don't categorize aircraft by their number of seats. Arguably non-defining; if you take out additional seats for various reasons (adding equipment, long-range fuel tanks, etc.) does the helicopter count as a single-seater? The Bushranger One ping only 22:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- CommentThere is some truth to that for sure, even if most aircraft do get rated for a certain number of passengers. For FAA Ultra-light helicopters they are only allowed to carry one passenger, so we just follow the sources we don't have to make a determination or expand this to other light aircraft that have more flexibility. A75 (talk) 16:44, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:18, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, the nominator is incorrect. Helicopters are categorized this way, the FAA standard for ultra-light helicopters have to be one seat. If you see this list List of ultralight helicopters. I did not choose describe them as FAA Ultralight helicopters, because single seat helicopters have existed before this FAA regulation though they are popular now. In addition, the recent development evtols such as the Jetson One are also categorized this way, and are still baiscally helicopters even if they take a different technical approach. A75 (talk) 14:56, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Here, don't take my word for it. If you see Ultralight aircraft (United States), you can see that having a single-seat is important part of this standard. Thank you A75 (talk) 15:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment For comparison, it is common for fighter aircraft, to be categorized as single seat or two seat fighter aircraft, just to round out this discussion. A75 (talk) 16:51, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Helicopters and aircraft are categorized this way by the FAA, yes. Wikipedia's categorization scheme does not categorize aircraft by number of seats, nor should we, as it is not a WP:DEFINING characteristic of the aircrat, especially to an outside observer. Also an "ultralight helicopter" may well be required to be a single-seat helicopter, but "single-seat helicopter" =/= "ultralight helicopter" as ultralight aircraft is a very specific classification by the FAA. Category:Ultralight helicopters would be a valid categorization alongside Category:Ultralight aircraft. Category:Single seat helicopters is not. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:48, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Having one seat is definitely a defining trait, and many single seat helicopters are noted as such. This is similar to fighter aircraft, and of course passenger airliners often mention passenger capacity. I don't have an opinion on starting another category for ultra-light helicopters right now, though we can agree that not all single-seat helicopters may be ultra-lights. A75 (talk) 21:31, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Helicopters and aircraft are categorized this way by the FAA, yes. Wikipedia's categorization scheme does not categorize aircraft by number of seats, nor should we, as it is not a WP:DEFINING characteristic of the aircrat, especially to an outside observer. Also an "ultralight helicopter" may well be required to be a single-seat helicopter, but "single-seat helicopter" =/= "ultralight helicopter" as ultralight aircraft is a very specific classification by the FAA. Category:Ultralight helicopters would be a valid categorization alongside Category:Ultralight aircraft. Category:Single seat helicopters is not. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:48, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Religious organizations by year
edit- Propose merging Category:Religious organizations established in 1136 to Category:Religious organizations established in the 1130s and Category:1136 establishments in Europe
- Propose merging Category:Religious organizations established in 1200 to Category:Religious organizations established in the 1200s and Category:1200 establishments in Europe
- Propose merging Category:Religious organizations established in 1375 to Category:Religious organizations established in the 1370s and Category:1375 establishments in Europe
- Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated year categories, other year categories only start after 1500. Note with respect to the 2nd merge target that it is merely coincidental that all articles are about organizations in Europe. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support – I've removed Kleinlützel Priory and Salem Abbey from the category, since their bodies didn't support placing them in the year 1136 specifically. I then populated it from Category:Religious organizations established in the 1130s, for the sake of completeness, but it still only has six articles. I don't think that's enough of a reason to have an unusually deep category intersection, especially since it seems that many religious organizations established in this time are only known to a year range, not the specific year. I did a Special:PrefixIndex search, and the only other year categories before 1500 are Religious organizations established in 1200 and Religious organizations established in 1375 (with one and two members respectively). Also, since I added articles to the category, I should mention that it's still true that
all articles are about organizations in Europe
– i.e., the second merge target is still valid. jlwoodwa (talk) 20:25, 24 November 2024 (UTC) - @Marcocapelle: I've added Religious organizations established in 1200 and Religious organizations established in 1375 to this nomination. jlwoodwa (talk) 20:37, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, I obviously support that. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:44, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support – I've removed Kleinlützel Priory and Salem Abbey from the category, since their bodies didn't support placing them in the year 1136 specifically. I then populated it from Category:Religious organizations established in the 1130s, for the sake of completeness, but it still only has six articles. I don't think that's enough of a reason to have an unusually deep category intersection, especially since it seems that many religious organizations established in this time are only known to a year range, not the specific year. I did a Special:PrefixIndex search, and the only other year categories before 1500 are Religious organizations established in 1200 and Religious organizations established in 1375 (with one and two members respectively). Also, since I added articles to the category, I should mention that it's still true that
Category:Presidency of Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva
edit- Propose deleting Category:Presidency of Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva
- Nominator's rationale: Was split into First presidency of Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva and Second presidency of Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva Lazesusdasiru (talk) 17:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:59, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment This category has been prematurely emptied by the nominator, Lazesusdasiru. Liz Read! Talk! 20:52, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- ...Did I do something wrong? Lazesusdasiru (talk) 21:18, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- The reason it's being deleted is because it's empty, not for any other merit. The splitted categories could be easily its subcategories or this be a {{category ambiguous}}. If deleted as empty, this could be easily recreated. Web-julio (talk) 00:16, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- ...Did I do something wrong? Lazesusdasiru (talk) 21:18, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. There are articles such as List of international presidential trips made by Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva should be on the parent category. Web-julio (talk) 00:28, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- If it is just a single article then it can be put in both term categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:16, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Novels about adultery
edit- Propose renaming Category:Novels about adultery to Category:Novels about infidelity
- Nominator's rationale: This would mirror Category:Films about infidelity, and allows for the inclusion of novels on the theme that are about infidelity outside of marriage. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 17:35, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Religious organizations by decade
edit- Propose merging Category:Religious organizations established in the 800s to Category:Religious organizations established in the 9th century and Category:800s in religion
- Propose merging Category:Religious organizations established in the 840s to Category:Religious organizations established in the 9th century
- Propose merging Category:Religious organizations established in the 920s to Category:Religious organizations established in the 10th century and Category:920s in religion
- Propose merging Category:Religious organizations established in the 960s to Category:Religious organizations established in the 10th century and Category:960s in religion
- Propose merging Category:Religious organizations established in the 970s to Category:Religious organizations established in the 10th century and Category:970s in religion
- Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated 1-article categories. The articles are already in an establishments by year category. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:41, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 15:28, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Candidates in the 1941 New Zealand general election
edit- Nominator's rationale: There was no New Zealand general election in 1941 due to World War II. After 1938, the next election was in 1943. It seems unnecessary to categorise candidates for an election that did not occur. 1857a (talk) 09:50, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, it seems unnecessary to categorise candidates for an election, full stop. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:31, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Cape Town City F.C. (NFL) players
edit- Propose renaming Category:Cape Town City F.C. (NFL) players to Category:Cape Town City F.C
- Nominator's rationale: Per Cape Town City F.C. (1960). C2D does not apply because it was moved without discussion. The new name has WP:CONSISTENT disambiguation with Cape Town City F.C. (2016), so I think it was a good move. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 06:48, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 11:48, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as suggested, and instead move to Category:Cape Town City F.C. (1960) players to match the paren article name. Nomination targets does not even include 'players', massively wrong. GiantSnowman 11:50, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:FK Rabotnički players
edit- Propose renaming Category:FK Rabotnički players to Category:FK Rabotnichki players
- Propose renaming Category:FK Rabotnički to Category:FK Rabotnichki
- Propose renaming Category:FK Rabotnički managers to Category:FK Rabotnichki managers
- Nominator's rationale: Per FK Rabotnichki. C2D does not apply because was recently moved without discussion (for what appears to be a valid reason). Best, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 06:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Support per nom. GiantSnowman 11:49, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fictional works
edit- Propose renaming Category:Fictional works to Category:Fictional creative works
- Nominator's rationale: Like Category:Creative works, this needs specification that it involves in-universe creative works rather than just containing works of fiction. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:27, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- The proposed rename does not really clarify what is meant here. Maybe Category:Creative works in fiction. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:32, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Tesla, Inc. vehicles
editCategory:Tesla, Inc. vehicles needs discussion. Is the ", Inc." necessary to disambiguate? All Tesla vehicles, it would seem from looking through Wikipedia articles, are vehicles from "Tesla, Inc.", yet those vehicle article names do not include the "Inc." bit in any of there names. Seems that Category:Tesla vehicles should be sufficient. I would propose that simplification. N2e (talk) 15:16, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Please tag your nomination.SMasonGarrison 16:02, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Unsure, both the parent category and the main article title contain Inc. too. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:26, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Per Tesla, Inc. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:27, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Keep. I have made a 3-way disambiguation page at Category:Tesla. – Fayenatic London 15:48, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:UKS SMS Łódź players
edit- Propose renaming Category:UKS SMS Łódź players to Category:UKS SMS Łódź footballers
- Nominator's rationale: UKS SMS Łódź is a multi-sport club with football, volleyball and other sections. Propose renaming from "players" to "footballers" to avoid ambiguity and potential confusion. - Darwinek (talk) 00:51, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 08:53, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - it might well be a multi-sport club, but the article is specifically about the football section - similar to FC Barcelona and Category:FC Barcelona players. GiantSnowman 08:55, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Coffee Talk
edit- Nominator's rationale: "Coffee Talk" series currently only has two games, that is not enough for a category under our standards. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 05:20, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, the two articles already link to each other directly. But merge to parent Category:Visual novels. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:48, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to visual novel category per Marcocapelle. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:24, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- merge without prejudice to category:Visual Novel. If a third article were to be created (such as if a new game were created), the category might be suitable. For now, it's not enough. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:28, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- As someone who created Episode 2 and this category, I thought two articles is enough. I'm fine with merging since C is only the third letter in the alphabet. As well as being linked to each other, the dab page lists both episodes. JuniperChill (talk) 14:52, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Endangered species by reason they are threatened
edit- Propose renaming Category:Endangered species by reason they are threatened to Category:Species by reasons for endangerment
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by agriculture (added 13 November)
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by climate change
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by damming
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by deforestation
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by disease
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by deliberate extirpation efforts
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by fires
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by grazing
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by habitat loss
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by human consumption
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by invasive species
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by logging
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by mining
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by the pet trade
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by pollution
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by use as raw materials
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by roads
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by being bycatch
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by collisions with vehicles
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by specimen collection
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by sport fishing and hunting
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by warfare
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by destruction of specific ecosystems
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by tourism
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by urbanization
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by wetland drainage
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by wetland drainage
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by agricultural development
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by agricultural pollution
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by subsistence agriculture
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by oil palm plantations
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by slash-and-burn
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by deliberate fires
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by logging for charcoal
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by logging for firewood
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by mangrove destruction
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by habitat fragmentation
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by roadbuilding
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by river-damming
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by watercourse sedimentation
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by watercourses drying up
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by use as food
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by human consumption for medicinal or magical purposes
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by logging for timber
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by use in wearables
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by selective logging
- Propose deleting Category:Species endangered by roadkill
- Propose renaming Category:Endangered species by reason they are threatened to Category:Species by reasons for endangerment
- Nominator's rationale: This category has long been used for both extinction-threatened species and extinct species. Separating out extinct species is impractical for reasons detailed on the cat page, and would result in a lot of duplication. Extinct species aren't really threatened in the present tense and "endangered species" is also a counterintuitive way to describe them. Alternate name suggestions welcome. HLHJ (talk) 01:29, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete and also delete all corresponding subcategories similarly created by HLHJ. This category grouping appears to force one or more clear reasons why a species is endangered when it is usually a combination of numerous factors. For example,
climate changeglobal warming endangers a huge amount of species simply by existing and causing changes to the biosphere, but according to this categorization scheme, it only endangers a small portion of them. The amount of misinformation being given to the reader makes this tree of categories untenable, even if it was intended in good faith. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:23, 31 October 2024 (UTC)- Comment: If species were restricted to being in one subcategory, then this would be indeed be misleading. But if species can be placed in multiple subcategories this need not be the case, and if, as suggested below, data is taken from IUCN listings, incompleteness need not be a serious issue. Lavateraguy (talk) 20:45, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete with subcategories, Zxcvbnm makes an excellent point. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:05, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Delete per Zxcvbnm. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:08, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose deleting as incomplete. Most of our categories are incomplete. Donald Trump is in Category:Illeists, and Xenophon isn't. Xenophon made really extensive and notable use of illeism, and assuming the contrary, just because he's not in that category, is clearly wrong. The lack of categorization at "Xenophon" is not misinformation.
- The categories are not exclusive; multiple categories can be added, and anyone may cat any species endangered by climate change (according to reliable sources) but not categorized as such. Exhaustive categorization is impossible. New threats to a species can occur at any time, and minor threats may be unclear, and even major threats may be completely unknown to humans. The presence of a category says that we know X threatens this species; the absence does not say that we know X is no threat to this species. If you wanted that, you'd need a "Species endangered, but not by climate change" cat, or similar.
- Without wishing to trivialize climate change, it is unfortunately only one of the major causes of the biodiversity crisis. There are also many species which are under threat from other causes, such as Category:Species endangered by invasive species. Habitat loss to agriculture and expanding human population is also an issue, as are other forms of pollution. And some reasons really ought to be listed in an encyclopedia that makes knowledge widely available, because they are caused by ignorance, like Category:Species endangered by the pet trade. Which reasons are most important varies (for instance, climate change and trawling are major threats to corals, and agriculture is a major threat to grassland birds, reported to threaten about three times as many grassland bird species as climate change).[1][2]
- I don't know of any attempt to rate threats by the number of species they affect globally. It is quite possible that most endangered species are unknown to science (certain, if we include microorganisms). But it is very obvious that if we could wave a magic wand and make climate change never have happened, we'd still have a biodiversity crisis from all the other anthropocene messes. Researchers identifying threats to species often don't list climate change, and sometimes explicitly state that is doesn't seem to be a significant threat to an individual species. So many species will not be categorized as threatened by climate change if we accurately reflect the reliable sources.
- I think that systematically listing the threats facing species is a good idea, and so as I recall did the person at the IUCN I corresponded with when first creating these categories years ago (starting in 2015, though the overarching cat was apparently 2017). There are about 70 subcategories containing at least hundreds of pages. Such a list is necessarily incomplete, but incomplete information is still useful. HLHJ (talk) 22:11, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Would it be in order for me (or anyone) to notify some relevant forums of this discussion, as for instance Wikipedia:WikiProject Plants? I've made a bunch of assertions about conservation biology, and I think input from editors interested in this subject area would be valuable. HLHJ (talk) 22:16, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- @HLHJ: If WikiProject members are watching their Alerts pages, they will see this nomination anyway, but yes, please go ahead and add notification links to this CFD on project talk pages. Notifying projects is not WP:Canvassing. You could use {{Cfd notice}}. – Fayenatic London 15:14, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Would it be in order for me (or anyone) to notify some relevant forums of this discussion, as for instance Wikipedia:WikiProject Plants? I've made a bunch of assertions about conservation biology, and I think input from editors interested in this subject area would be valuable. HLHJ (talk) 22:16, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Tagging and adding subcats to nomination.
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- Comment Cheers for bringing this to the attention of WP:PLANTS - I work on a lot of threatened species articles, so this is definitely relevant to my interests. For clarification, why is Category:Endangered species by reason they are threatened proposed for renaming while the subcategories are proposed for deletion? If the renaming is successful, what subcategories would populate Category:Species by reasons for endangerment? I support renaming in principle, but I'm a little confused with regard to the subcategories and want to make sure I fully understand what's being proposed before I vote. I will say that I completely disagree with the deletion rationale provided thus far: incompleteness is not a reason for deletion, and I see no reason that species facing multiple threats makes these categories untenable. Ethmostigmus 🌿 (talk | contribs) 04:09, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you , Ethmostigmus, that does need clarification. I proposed a rename; ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ converted it into a proposal to delete the category and all of its subcategories, with Faynatic later adding a "Propose deleting" list of their names. It's a bit confusing, because it's over my sig, but I didn't actually nominate anything for deletion. HLHJ (talk) 04:17, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, I see... There has to be a better way of listing these proposals to make it clear that they are separate but I have no idea how. Thank you for the explanation :) Ethmostigmus 🌿 (talk | contribs) 04:31, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- I think this is problematic. The proposal to delete all the categories seems to be from HLHJ when it is not. When a delete proposal comes from the author, I tend to start from a position favouring the request (and need good reasons not to support deletion), whereas when someone else proposes the deletion I start from the sceptical position (and need strong reasons for the deletion, far better than category incomplete). I think this discussion should be restricted to the name change and the deletion issue handled in a separate discussion. — Jts1882 | talk 12:33, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- I was okay with the listing most of the subcategories proposed for deletion, because it made the scope more obvious at first glance: the proposed change would recursively affect many categories, not just one. It did not occur to me that it might be confusing, but then of course I'm not confused about what I had and hadn't proposed! Perhaps we could edit the "Proposed" listing to make it clear that there are two competing alternatives.
- If we delete the cats we will not bother to rename them, and if we decide to rename them we have implicitly resolved not to delete them. So I'm happy with having both discussions at once, or with having the deletion discussion first. HLHJ (talk) 16:29, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you , Ethmostigmus, that does need clarification. I proposed a rename; ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ converted it into a proposal to delete the category and all of its subcategories, with Faynatic later adding a "Propose deleting" list of their names. It's a bit confusing, because it's over my sig, but I didn't actually nominate anything for deletion. HLHJ (talk) 04:17, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support renaming, strongly oppose deletion of subcategories. Completely agree with the nominator that the current name is not fit for purpose and should be changed (happy with the nominator's suggestion, but will also throw out Category:Threatened species by reason they are threatened and Category:Species by IUCN Red List threats - I think avoiding the term "endanger(ed)" helps avoid confusion with the specific status of endangered). I find Zxcvbnm's deletion argument entirely unpersuasive: firstly, there is no reason we cannot apply multiple threat categories to an article, and secondly, per WP:IMPERFECT and WP:PRESERVE, why delete something incomplete instead of just expanding it? As someone who uses the IUCN Red List regularly, I see value in these categories, and Red List assessments have a set classification scheme for threats that makes articles quite easy to categorise along these lines. Ethmostigmus 🌿 (talk | contribs) 04:48, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- My point is that factors influence other factors; there is no clear and obvious single or even several culprits, though there may be main ones. It's too nebulous to attempt to categorize things by "reason for endangerment", all that can simply be said is that they *are* endangered and there are many ways to begin to protect them. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:56, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- It's not at all nebulous. The main global authority that lists threatened species is the IUCN Red List, and assessments for the Red List include lists of specific threat factors based on the IUCN's threat classification scheme. eg. the assessment for Frullania polysticta lists it as being threatened by: residential & commercial development
- (housing & urban areas/tourism & recreation areas), natural system modifications (increase in fire frequency/intensity), climate change & severe weather (habitat shifting & alteration/droughts/temperature extremes/storms & flooding). There is a preexisting system for categorising these threats developed by the preeminent global organisation dedicated to conservation and extinction research, and these categories follow that system while still leaving room for regional assessments (eg. NatureServe or EPBC). There is absolutely more to say than just
that they *are* endangered
- the whole point of these assessments is to identify specific threats for conservationists to counter. Ethmostigmus 🌿 (talk | contribs) 06:07, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- I think I used "endangered" on grounds that it was a more distinct common term, and endangered species is less organization-specific than threatened species. I don't feel strongly about this.
- I have had some use cases that would make Category:Species by IUCN Red List threats problematic. For instance, Lygodactylus williamsi was probably critically endangered when the first (recent, it was described about a century ago) study of it in its habitat was published, due to the pet trade, and I think it did not get listed by the IUCN for some years (until they next did an update). So I wrote this in the category description, I think in 2017:
Non−IUCN Red Listed species may also be categorized, when 'officially' on other international conservation organization &/or government agency lists. As such lists are often updated slowly, newly-discovered species and threats reliably reported in the academic literature may also be acceptable (these should be discussed and cited in the article).
- I've also had several people criticize the lack of clarity that the cats include extinct species; see Talk:Aurochs#Reasons-for-endangerment categories for the most extensive example. Proposals for renamings that would clarify this would be welcome. HLHJ (talk) 05:25, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Interesting, I tend to think of "threatened species" as the more general term encompassing all of the various conservation statuses below LC/G5 (and DD/NE) and associate "endangered species" with a specific threat level. I assume (correct me if I'm wrong!) that these categories still apply to LC/G5 species with identified threats (eg. Pavona clavus is listed as LC, but naturally as a coral it is still threatened by a whole host of factors), which makes me lean towards something like Category:Species by threats, but that feels very general. On the other hand, Category:Species by reasons for endangerment implies (at least to me) that the species is actively considered endangered, but maybe I'm an outlier in that respect :P Interested to get input from more people on this.
- Semi-related: I would also propose that
flora (plant) and fauna (animal)
be removed from the category description and replaced with simply "organisms", given that there are organisms outside of those categories are sometimes assessed. Apologies for getting us bogged down in the semantics! Ethmostigmus 🌿 (talk | contribs) 06:26, 17 November 2024 (UTC)- Totally agree on the flora and fauna -- in fact, I think there are already some other species in there -- so I've boldly removed it from the cat description. Applying threat cats to LC/G5 species with identified threats makes sense; it's not what the cat page says, quite, but we could fix that. Category:Species by threats actually sounds good to me, short and simple; since it is a metacat not actually being used to tag pages, it will only be seen in the context of a list of its subcats. Obviously we don't want a name that would imply that a species is actively endangered if it is dead or recovered, and your perceptions are useful.
- The terminology is a bit of a mess. Various governments and NGOs have very specific definitions, often inconsistent with one another; common usage, for instance in popular media, uses many of the same terms completely different senses. Asking people with no specialist knowledge at all would probably get rather muddled definitions, and I'm not sure how consistent they'd be. I'm happy with any reasonable set of terms, because I don't think there's a stand-out best set. HLHJ (talk) 16:54, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- My point is that factors influence other factors; there is no clear and obvious single or even several culprits, though there may be main ones. It's too nebulous to attempt to categorize things by "reason for endangerment", all that can simply be said is that they *are* endangered and there are many ways to begin to protect them. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:56, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that "threatened species" is better for the category as endangered is just one of the IUCN threatened categories. The IUCN red list will be the main source of the nature of the threat, so using their terminology will lessen confusion. Possibly Category:Threatened species by nature of threat. — Jts1882 | talk 12:39, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- You have a point about IUCN terminology; it is the main source. Are there any copyright concerns here? HLHJ (talk) 16:56, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- I have seen a neutral term "of conservation concern" in publications. Perhaps Category:Species of conservation concern by reason of concern or something similar. – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 16:10, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- I've seen that too. A bit long, but precise terms often are; a useful possibility. It would be nice to have the cat and subcat names form an obvious set. HLHJ (talk) 17:01, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Possibly Category:Species of conservation concern by reason? Dropping the last "of concern"? If the subcategories were renamed, they could be
- I don't (yet) have a strong opinion on delete vs. keep vs. rename. If keep, though, I am in favor of a more precise terminology, and this is an alternative naming I thought of. I got here by way of the post on WT:PLANTS (thank you). – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 04:56, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- You're welcome, I should thank Faynatic for the instructions. Would Category:Species by reasons for conservation concern be shorter while still being clear? Will we confuse folk if we call, say, a wooly mammoth a species of conservation concern, or say it had reasons for conservation concern? Does "conservation concern by agriculture" make it clear to everyone that agriculture is the cause of the concern? HLHJ (talk) 03:49, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- I've seen that too. A bit long, but precise terms often are; a useful possibility. It would be nice to have the cat and subcat names form an obvious set. HLHJ (talk) 17:01, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that "threatened species" is better for the category as endangered is just one of the IUCN threatened categories. The IUCN red list will be the main source of the nature of the threat, so using their terminology will lessen confusion. Possibly Category:Threatened species by nature of threat. — Jts1882 | talk 12:39, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose deletion, but support renaming. I think that it would be more technically accurate to call the parent category "Threatened species by reason they are threatened", or the shorter "Threatened species by reason of threat" because the IUCN Redlist uses the threat terminology, whereas endangered is just one of the three threatened categories. In turn, the subcats could be renamed to "Species threatened by..." As to the subcategorization, that is absolutely something that RS can do. I have written about the reason that species are threatened and could easily categorize a species by reason of threat. Why wouldn't we categorize something that is extensively discussed by RS for many threatened species? CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 22:16, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- I have the same objection to these as to the current name (which, to be fair, I myself picked); extinct species are not naturally termed "Threatened species". Category:Species by threat makes it clearer that that it might be a former threat. HLHJ (talk) 01:40, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, on rereading that last comment sounds a bit short, which was unintentional. I'm not sure if this name would fit Ethmostigmus's proposed scope or not. On the one hand, species with threats are logically "threatened species"; on the other hand, the IUCN formal definition of "Threatened species" would not fit all of the species currently included; for instance "Near threatened" species, which the IUCN considered to have threats, and extinct species. Sorry, this nomenclature is a mess. HLHJ (talk) 03:54, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support renaming unfortunately the many and varied terms used for this are often tied up in regional legislations and other protective measures along with the usages and definitions of NGO's. However the IUCN Categories in the RedList are at least fairly well known and acknowledged across the board. As an aside I do not see a copywrite issue using those. I would add though that this should all be defined somewhere and possibly include in this as much information as is reasonably obtainable and presentable as to the terminiolgy in different places and what each means. For example what does Schedule 12 mean under Australian law. Whatever you use as the ames should be both clearly understandable and clearly defined with as much information on similar terminologies as possible. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 22:54, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: I realize that this is the third time that this will be relisted, but I have very good reason per WP:RELIST. Unless I am missing something, no two people agree on a rename scheme. However, there is broad consensus that a) the categories should not be deleted and b) a rename of some sort needs to happen. I am going to ping all participants to decide on a naming scheme.
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- @CaptainEek, Cooldudeseven7, Eewilson, Ethmostigmus, Faendalimas, Fayenatic london, HLHJ, Jts1882, LaundryPizza03, Lavateraguy, Marcocapelle, and Zxcvbnm: Please see above relisting comment. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:12, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Well, I can see why this is important I have no issue with relisting and getting it right. If I can suggest Threatened Species by Causal Agent or something similar. By this I mean Threatened, Endangered, Critically Endangered and Extinct categorised by the Primary identified cause of the situation. By Extinct I mean the IUCN definition of Extinct which is anything since the year 1600. Prior to that too long ago, but the more recent ones can have some bearing on other taxa in the region. If you prefer to start at Vulnerable replace it with that. This would also apply to CITES I and II species, and any similar category under various Government and NGO's around the world. I suggest explaining that in some category documentation somewhere. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 15:31, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'm interested in why things went extinct before 1600s, too; for instance, the extinction of the Pleistocene Megafauna. I take your point that more recent extinctions might be more edifying, but I think we have things to learn from older extinctions. A lot of ancient species went extinct at least partly due to climate change; details of their fates, even if it happened tens of millions of years ago, are very relevant to our present and near future.
- Deciding whether these species are extinct is pretty easy (their ~dates of extinction are already listed), and there are reliable sources identifying reasons why some of them went extinct. We could have separate parallel cats for these, but it would add complexity and an arbitrary cut-off. HLHJ (talk) 19:34, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- I am a paleontologist and I study extinction, so yes of course I see the value in the extinct species. However, I was aiming at a category or set of them that listed extinctions with the same causal agent as species that are endangered now. These species could have more informative causes relevant to the efforts to prevent further extinctions. Many of these issues will be anthropogenic causes tying them all together. I chose 1600 because of the IUCN definition. In general I think modern extinctions caused by humans extend back many thousands of years before that and I have published papers on that. So I do not mind if you include more, ie go further back. Cheers Scott Thomson (Faendalimas) talk 21:00, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- The current scope, defined on the top-level category page, is all species that are or have been threatened by some threat specified in reliable sources, IUCN, local government listings, or similar. This includes:
- extinct species (even if they aren't "threatened" or "endangered" anymore)
- species that have recovered, and now have robust pouplations
- obsolete threats to still-threatened species (for example, if a species was formerly threatened by logging and invasive species, and the forest is now spreading and logging is no longer a problem, but the invasive species are still a threat, both threats would still be listed)
- Ethmostigmus suggested slightly extending the scope, pointing out that reliable sources sometimes identify threats to species that still have robust populations and therefore have never been officially listed as threatened or endangered. I have, for instance, seen this done when a species is healthy, but an invasive species or disease is spreading towards its range and is likely to catastrophically affect it in the near future. I think if a reliable expert source, like the IUCN, makes the determination that it's worth identifying a threat to a species, that is reliable information, and we can cite and categorize accordingly. I therefore support Ethmostigmus's proposal.
- In summary: the species does not need to be currently threatened, the threat just has to have threatened the species at some point.
- This has understandably been repeatedly misunderstood by editors. Mostly, people remove the cats from extinct species in good faith. I proposed this rename from "Endangered species by reason they are threatened" because we can't naturally say that extinct species are "endangered" or that they "are threatened".
- I suggest the following terms:
- Category:Species by threat
- Category:Species that are or were threatened by logging
- and so on...
- Category:Species by threat
- This sidesteps choosing whether to call the species "threatened species", "endangered species", "species of conservation concern", etc.. The reliable sources here have different definitions of these terms, and common use is very vague. Avoiding unclear terms is an advantage. "Are or were" is a bit clumsy, but makes it very clear that these cats can be applied to extinct species. HLHJ (talk) 19:13, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- This is very clear and makes a whole lot of sense. – Elizabeth (Eewilson) (tag or ping me) (talk) 21:10, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'm happy with this (and not just because it follows my proposal!). I do think we can probably drop the "are or were" bit from the subcats and just go with "Species threatened by [insert threat]", given that "threatened" does not necessarily imply past, current, or future threats exclusively, with a short explanation in the category descriptions. That said, not at all opposed to keeping the "are or were" if everyone else supports it, just throwing my thoughts out there. Cheers, Ethmostigmus 🌿 (talk | contribs) 06:44, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- I Agree. Can easily be applied- if we rename the category and delete the subpages, the category is pretty pointless as it is sorted by reason for endangerment. Cooldudeseven7 join in on the tea talk 12:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:B-class corvettes
edit- Propose merging Category:B-class corvettes to Category:Burak-class corvettes of the Turkish Navy
- Nominator's rationale: Overlapping categories; B-class corvette was moved to Burak-class corvette in September 2013. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:33, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Why adding "of the Turkish Navy"? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:54, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: I don't know, I didn't name the categories. According to the article on Burak-class corvettes, they're all "of the Turkish Navy". jlwoodwa (talk) 11:12, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Fair point. Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: I don't know, I didn't name the categories. According to the article on Burak-class corvettes, they're all "of the Turkish Navy". jlwoodwa (talk) 11:12, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Aircraft catnav/category navigation
edit- Propose renaming Category:Aircraft catnav cleanup (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Aircraft category navigation cleanup
- Propose renaming Category:Aircraft catnav failed to generate navbox (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Aircraft category navigation failed to generate navbox
- Propose renaming Category:Aircraft catnav missing parameter (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Aircraft category navigation missing parameter
- Propose renaming Category:Aircraft catnav missing parent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Aircraft category navigation missing parent
- Nominator's rationale: Expand name for clarity ("catnav" -> "category navigation"). HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:32, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Rename ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 02:39, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:55, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Further education colleges in Monmouthshire
edit- Nominator's rationale: Merge also to Category:Buildings and structures in Monmouthshire
Category:Education in Monmouthshire Category containing a single article, better categorised within the parents. AusLondonder (talk) 02:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Triple merge, per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:55, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Human viruses by year of formal description
edit- Propoe merging Category:Human viruses by year of formal description to Category:Viruses by year of formal description
- Propoe merging Category:Human viruses described in the 20th century to Category:Viruses described in the 20th century
- Propoe merging Category:Human viruses described in 1901 to Category:Viruses described in 1901
- Propoe merging Category:Human viruses described in 1903 to Category:Viruses described in 1903
- Propoe merging Category:Human viruses described in 1907 to Category:Viruses described in 1907
- Propoe merging Category:Human viruses described in 1909 to Category:Viruses described in 1909
- Propoe merging Category:Human viruses described in 1930 to Category:Viruses described in 1930
- Propoe merging Category:Human viruses described in 1931 to Category:Viruses described in 1931
- Propoe merging Category:Human viruses described in 1933 to Category:Viruses described in 1933
- Propoe merging Category:Human viruses described in 1934 to Category:Viruses described in 1934
- Propoe merging Category:Human viruses described in 1953 to Category:Viruses described in 1953
- Propoe merging Category:Human viruses described in 1958 to Category:Viruses described in 1958
- Propoe merging Category:Human viruses described in 1959 to Category:Viruses described in 1959
- Propoe merging Category:Human viruses described in 1967 to Category:Viruses described in 1967
- Propoe merging Category:Human viruses described in 1972 to Category:Viruses described in 1972
- Propoe merging Category:Human viruses described in 1973 to Category:Viruses described in 1973
- Propoe merging Category:Human viruses described in 1977 to Category:Viruses described in 1977
- Propoe merging Category:Human viruses described in 1980 to Category:Viruses described in 1980
- Propoe merging Category:Human viruses described in 1983 to Category:Viruses described in 1983
- Propoe merging Category:Human viruses described in 1986 to Category:Viruses described in 1986
- Propoe merging Category:Human viruses described in 1996 to Category:Viruses described in 1996
- Propoe merging Category:Human viruses described in the 21st century to Category:Viruses described in the 21st century
- Propoe merging Category:Human viruses described in 2001 to Category:Viruses described in 2001
- Propoe merging Category:Human viruses described in 2003 to Category:Viruses described in 2003
- Propoe merging Category:Human viruses described in 2014 to Category:Viruses described in 2014
- Propoe merging Category:Human viruses described in 2019 to Category:Viruses described in 2019
- Propoe merging Category:Human viruses by year of formal description to Category:Viruses by year of formal description
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge entire "Human viruses" branch into "Viruses". "Human viruses" cats contain 1-2 pages each and they are all duplicates of "Viruses". ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 01:36, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, but ultimately they should all be merged back to century level, these are isolated one-article categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:59, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
November 23
editCategory:Dimitrie Cantemir
edit- Propose merging Category:Dimitrie Cantemir to Category:Cantemirești family
- Nominator's rationale: Only two pages in this category, which isn't helpful for navigation. SMasonGarrison 23:06, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, the two articles already link to each other directly. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:03, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Further education colleges in Merthyr Tydfil
edit- Nominator's rationale: Merge also to Category:Buildings and structures in Merthyr Tydfil
Category:Education in Merthyr Tydfil County Borough Category containing only a single article, unhelpful for navigation. Better categorised within the parents. AusLondonder (talk) 19:18, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Triple merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:24, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Abdolhossein Zarrinkoob
edit- Nominator's rationale: WP:OCEPON. This category only contains the writer himself, and two works which are already in the subcat Category:Works by Abdolhossein Zarrinkoob. 1857a (talk) 18:04, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, the subcategory suffices. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:25, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Sri Lankan people murdered abroad
edit- Nominator's rationale: Violates WP:OCEGRS, WP:OCNARROW, and potentially WP: OCLOCATION. A Sri lankan ethnicity is not defining enough to warrant a seperate category, the two categories in this intersection (Sri Lankans and people murdered abroad) are unrelated and there are no reliable sources (about potential increased murder rates, protests, etc.) covering this intersection specifically, as opposed to just one singular event. Autranaut (talk) 17:21, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- While I agree in principle, I also found an entire tree under Category:People murdered abroad by nationality. Probably the whole tree should be nominated. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:28, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose It is is consistent with an entire category tree about people murdered abroad. Dimadick (talk) 13:34, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Animals and humans
edit- Propose renaming Category:Animals and humans to Category:Human–animal interaction
- Nominator's rationale: Make the title less vague and more defining. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:17, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:30, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support – better title, and it matches the description added by Dimadick in June, as well as the category's current contents. (Category:Animal emotions might be an exception, but that barely fits in the current category anyway.) I think the subcategories Invertebrates and humans, Vertebrates and humans, etc. should be added to this nomination. jlwoodwa (talk) 18:08, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Predators
edit- Propose renaming Category:Predators to Category:Predatory animals
- Nominator's rationale: Rename due to potential confusion with other types of predators. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:53, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fictional predators
edit- Nominator's rationale: Not all of these animals in fiction are specifically "predators". Due to the nature of fiction, some may not be. Others may only have aggressive behavior and not be a "predator" by species. I can already see some that are miscategorized simply because they are hostile and hunt the protagonist. Furthermore, the name is confusing as it may potentially refer to humans who are predators. Overall, it is too vague and potentially misleading to work as a category. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:51, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, this category mainly contains subcategories as if it concerns taxonomy. But being a predator is a matter of behaviour, not of taxonomy, and most fictional animals do not behave as predators as part of the storyline. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:40, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fictional carnivorans
edit- Propose merging Category:Fictional carnivorans to Category:Fictional mammals
- Propose merging Category:Fictional caniforms to Category:Fictional mammals
- Propose merging Category:Fictional feliforms to Category:Fictional mammals
- Propose merging Category:Fictional xenarthrans to Category:Fictional mammals
- Propose merging Category:Fictional proboscideans to Category:Fictional mammals
- Nominator's rationale: No need for such specific scientific terms to describe fictional creatures. It is not commonly used language outside of real-life biology. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:43, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose all I don't see any reason for why getting rid of diffusion would aid navigation in these cases.★Trekker (talk) 16:02, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- In this case, there are so few subcategories that navigation is actually hindered more by diffusing them than not doing so. Rather than being able to glance at each individual family, one has to sort through confusing suborder categories with obscure terminology. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:25, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep at least the order-level taxonomy (Category:Fictional carnivorans, Category:Fictional proboscideans). These are commonly understood biological categories.Goustien (talk) 21:42, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Commonly understood by who? I had never heard of the word "proboscideans" before, and I follow science news a lot. I'm not saying that my experience is the same as others, but I'd be confident that no one I know has ever heard it either because they follow science even less or not at all. Categories for fictional things should not solely be understandable by amateur or professional biologists. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:00, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, for readers with interest in fiction (not necessarily in biology) this will makes things a lot clearer. Besides it will increase the number of subcats of the target from 15 to just over 20, that is very doable. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:45, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose all Taxonomy is a good way to distinguish mammals by eiher morphology or common descent. Dimadick (talk) 13:37, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fictional giraffes
edit- Nominator's rationale: There are three entries in this category. Two of them are redirects and one is a children's toy. None of them are articles about fictional giraffes. (Oinkers42) (talk) 15:24, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Per nom. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:40, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete for now, without objection to recreate the category when appropriate articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:50, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete There is apparently no article about a fictional giraffe in the Wiki. Dimadick (talk) 13:39, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Mythological Greek epic poets
edit- Propose merging Category:Mythological Greek epic poets to Category:Fictional poets
- Nominator's rationale: merge, only two articles in the category, this is not helpful for navigation. Skipping parent Category:Fictional oral poets as a merge target because this has been nominated too. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:14, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Mythology is not the same as fiction, and these already seem to be in other subcategories of Category:Characters in Greek mythology by occupation anyway. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:46, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- That is a fair point. Deletion is better indeed. The articles are already in Category:Musicians in Greek mythology. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:53, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fictional jugglers
edit- Nominator's rationale: Category only has redirects. No longer needed at all. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:29, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:00, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Dimadick (talk) 13:39, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fictional contortionists
edit- Propose merging Category:Fictional contortionists to Category:Fictional circus performers
- Nominator's rationale: Too small a category to be merited, with only a couple characters as members. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:28, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Not sure if any of the articles should be in Category:Fictional circus performers. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:06, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Rajasthan MLAs 2024-2028
edit- Propose merging Category:Rajasthan MLAs 2024-2028 to Category:Rajasthan MLAs 2023–2028
- Nominator's rationale: It is the same term even though they started late. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 14:27, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:08, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fictional oral poets
edit- Propose merging Category:Fictional oral poets to Category:Fictional poets
- Nominator's rationale: Fairly tiny category that seems like unnecessary overcategorization. The subcategory shouldn't even be in this category anyway, leaving only one article that isn't a redirect. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:25, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- I was the creator. Yes, the category is too small. No objection to a merge. Andrew Dalby 14:39, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per above. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:09, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fictional female robbers
edit- Propose merging Category:Fictional female robbers to Category:Fictional female thieves
- Nominator's rationale: Forgot to nominate this previously, but it should be merged for the same reasons as Category:Fictional robbers was previously. It is a total overlap. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:00, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Courtesy link to closed CfD: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 15#Category:Fictional robbers. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 14:36, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Just follow the outcome of the other discussion, see below. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:54, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Christian organizations established in the 1st century
edit- Nominator's rationale: delete, the content of this category is very POV-ish. The Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church both claim to be the true church established in the 1st century, and other ancient churches will as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:08, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete These are claims to be the church described in the Four Marks of the Church: the "one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church." This is more of a dogmatic claim about perceived unity, not a factual description of Christian history. Dimadick (talk) 13:52, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Educational organizations
edit- Propose merging Category:Educational organizations established in the 2nd century BC to Category:2nd-century BC establishments
- Propose merging Category:Educational organizations established in the 3rd century BC to Category:3rd-century BC establishments
- Propose merging Category:Educational organizations established in the 4th century BC to Category:4th-century BC establishments
- Propose merging Category:Educational organizations established in the 3rd century to Category:Organizations established in the 3rd century
- Propose merging Category:Educational organizations established in the 4th century to Category:Organizations established in the 4th century
- Propose merging Category:Educational organizations established in the 5th century to Category:Organizations established in the 5th century
- Propose merging Category:Educational organizations established in the 6th century to Category:Organizations established in the 6th century
- Propose merging Category:Educational organizations established in the 7th century to Category:Organizations established in the 7th century
- Propose merging Category:Educational organizations established in the 8th century to Category:Organizations established in the 8th century
- Propose merging Category:Educational organizations established in the 9th century to Category:Organizations established in the 9th century
- Propose merging Category:Educational organizations established in the 10th century to Category:Organizations established in the 10th century
- Propose merging Category:Educational organizations established in the 11th century to Category:Organizations established in the 11th century
- Propose merging Category:Educational organizations established in the 12th century to Category:Organizations established in the 12th century
- Propose merging Category:Educational organizations established in the 13th century to Category:Organizations established in the 13th century
- Propose merging Category:Educational organizations established in the 14th century to Category:Organizations established in the 14th century
- Propose merging Category:Educational organizations established in the 15th century to Category:Organizations established in the 15th century
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with mostly only one subcategory, occasionally two or three. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:58, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:People acquitted of corruption
edit- Nominator's rationale: delete, this has a high risk of WP:BLPCRIMINAL issues. This is related to this earlier discussion which is still open. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:50, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Di (they-them), Reconrabbit, and RevelationDirect: pinging contributors to earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:54, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Precedural Comment If this nomination passes, I don't see a reason to keep the parent, Category:People_charged_with_corruption. (I'm not adding that to this nomination though since there's already a separate nom to containerize it linked above.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 15:40, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Per WP:BLPCAT and WP:BLPCRIMINAL. I may occasionally push the boundaries with editing guidelines, but we have policies which encourage mentioning even convictions of crimes judiciously so grouping living people who were not convicted seems to go against that spirit. (It also doesnt' seem defining, which is the standard we usually discuss here at CFD.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 15:40, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Note: I added a neutral notice of this discussion with our friends over at WP:BLP/N. - RevelationDirect (talk) 15:58, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Associated states of New Zealand
edit- Propose merging Category:Associated states of New Zealand to Category:Associated states
- Nominator's rationale: Category with two topics, with a subcategory and a page for each. There are only the two topics in the real world too. Category:Associated states currently has 3 subcategories and 9 pages, so will hardly be swamped. The "of New Zealand" aspect is catered for as the two topics are already in Category:Realm of New Zealand. Nurg (talk) 08:33, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:55, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:California pioneers
edit- Propose merging Category:California pioneers to Category:19th-century people from California
- Nominator's rationale: selectively merge, the real pioneers are already in Category:People of the Californias and Category:People of Alta California and it is an arbitrary choice to expand the pioneer period to the 1870s. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:06, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- But there are a lot of American pioneer categories. What about converting this into a container category to facilitate navigation? SMasonGarrison 23:33, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- There are also numerous states that do not have a pioneers category and frankly I think that is for the better because it is pretty arbitrary to define a cut-off year. We may well turn Category:California pioneers into a disambiguation page though. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:53, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- But there are a lot of American pioneer categories. What about converting this into a container category to facilitate navigation? SMasonGarrison 23:33, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Fictional bandits
edit- Propose merging Category:Fictional bandits to Category:Fictional outlaws
- Nominator's rationale: This category didn't exist until recently, it's rather duplicative with the merge target and can easily be construed as the exact same thing. Per WP:OVERLAPCAT, they should be merged back. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:24, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge or reverse merge, these are very closely related concepts. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:39, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Banditry involves acts of extortion, robbery, and murder, typically by members of organized gangs. Outlaws are persons declared as having no legal rights, giving practically everyone the right to kill them on sight. What they have done to deserve the loss of rights is less important than their legal status. Dimadick (talk) 05:45, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Outlaw, being out of law, is an old Roman and Germanic concept, which does not apply to modern people and fictional characters. The word outlaw has evolved to similar to bandit. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:38, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Negro league baseball venues still standing
edit- Propose renaming Category:Negro league baseball venues still standing to Category:?
- Tagged Category:Negro league baseball venues
- Nominator's rationale: I'm not sure if this category should be deleted and turned into a list or renamed but I don't think it should stay as is. User:Namiba 19:03, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- "Still standing" does not make sense, in the end nothing stays standing. Rename Category:Negro league baseball venues to Category:Defunct negro league baseball venues and rename Category:Negro league baseball venues still standing to Category:Negro league baseball venues. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:42, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- That makes sense to me.--User:Namiba 16:08, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- "Alt Rename of Both per Marcocapelle. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:19, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- That makes sense to me.--User:Namiba 16:08, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Tagged The 2nd category as of this time stamp, to give us more flexibility with the nomation. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:19, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Has not been tagged for a week
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Category:Plantations in the Danish West Indies
edit- Nominator's rationale: WP:CATNAME
- This is just a truth in advertising nomination since all 43 articles in this category are specifically sugar planations. The Danish version of the Triangular trade focused on this single crop. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:55, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, this seems to overlap with Category:Sugar plantations in the United States Virgin Islands. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:12, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Certainly open to different/broader changes. The islands were sold by Denmark to the US in 1917 and a lot of plantations crossed that date and others closed before it so I don't know if there is an elegant solution. (I don't recall seeing any founded after 1917 but I wasn't specifically looking for that.) RevelationDirect (talk) 15:46, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- @RevelationDirect: I think the best solution is to rename as nominated and to merge Category:Sugar plantations in the United States Virgin Islands into it, with keeping a redirect. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:45, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- I tagged the USVI category and notified the creator as of this timestamp to allow for the merge proposed above. - RevelationDirect (talk) 22:22, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete the more recent duplicate Category:Plantations in the Danish West Indies, as all its contents are in the 3 location-specific subcats of the other. Rename Category:Sugar plantations in the United States Virgin Islands to Category:Sugar plantations in the Danish West Indies, and add 3 parents from the deleted one: Category:Buildings and structures in the Danish West Indies, Category:Economy of the Danish West Indies and Category:Plantations in Denmark, giving credit to User:Ramblersen2. – Fayenatic London 19:36, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete/Rename (as nominator) The additional suggestions by Fl and Marcocapelle make sense. - RevelationDirect (talk) 21:03, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you Fayenatic london for sorting this out. Supporting this alternative proposal. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:04, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete/Rename (as nominator) The additional suggestions by Fl and Marcocapelle make sense. - RevelationDirect (talk) 21:03, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:People sentenced to death
edit- Nominator's rationale: This would appear to fail WP:NONDEF, as being sentenced to death is potentially temporary and can be rescinded or rendered moot. It is not a "defining trait" like having been executed is. This deletion would also include all subcategories of "People sentenced to death" besides Category:Executed people, Category:Fictional executed characters and Category:Execution survivors. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:35, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Category:People sentenced to death seems a proper parent of the executed, survivors, paroled and sentenced in absentia subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:33, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- There are books about their authors' stay in the death row, so being just sentenced (whether one is executed or not) might be relevant. Apokrif (talk) 22:13, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'd prefer this to be containerized rather than deleted, per Marco. SMasonGarrison 23:32, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- There are books about their authors' stay in the death row, so being just sentenced (whether one is executed or not) might be relevant. Apokrif (talk) 22:13, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep It seems quite defining as a sentence. One reason it is rendered moot is people dying from other causes while waiting for execution. Dimadick (talk) 05:32, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- In that case they are perfectly fine in the prisoners category. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:55, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- I notice only now that the fictional subcat contains a lot of articles directly in it, and there were a lot of articles and redirects in it that actually belonged in Category:Fictional executed characters. Then it makes more sense to turn this in a disambiguation page, directing to both Category:Fictional executed characters and Category:Fictional prisoners and detainees for characters that have and haven't been executed. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:23, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Irish Arctic explorers
edit- Propose renaming Category:Irish Arctic explorers to Category:Irish explorers of the Arctic
- Nominator's rationale: C2C was opposed by @Armbrust: who didn't respond to the followup. Now only this category follows the convention FOOian arctic explorer. Siblings are Category:American explorers of the Arctic; Category:British explorers of the Arctic. And sibling Category:Irish explorers of Antarctica SMasonGarrison 02:07, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. 1857a (talk) 23:19, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Dimadick (talk) 13:54, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Sourcebooks
edit- Nominator's rationale: Book publisher category containing only the publishing company itself and one affiliate. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 01:40, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, the two articles already link to each other directly. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:22, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete We don't have articles on prominent employees of the company, on individual books, or on buildings owned by the company. At this point, there is really nothing to categorize. We don't need individual categories for each subsidiary or imprint of Penguin Random House. Dimadick (talk) 14:01, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
November 22
editCategory:People associated with Lewis Roca Rothgerber Christie
edit- Nominator's rationale: Vague and unnecessary. WP:ASSOCIATEDWITH concerns. For most entires, won't be WP:CATDEF meamemg (talk) 23:37, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, textbook case of WP:OCASSOC. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:23, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment This is how the lawyer/company intersection categories have historically been formed, see Category:People by law firm in the United States. If there is a problem with the nominated category, other categories in this parent category should be examined as well. Clay (talk) 16:40, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Films with songs by the Sherman Brothers
edit- Nominator's rationale: It makes sense to categorize Category:Songs written by the Sherman Brothers, but is it necessary to categorize the films in which they wrote songs for in this manner. Should this expand to include Category:Films with songs by Kenny Loggins and the like? Film articles tend to already get overcategorized as it is by genre, location, awards, producer, director, etc.. If kept, I'd recommend changing to "Films with songs written by the Sherman Brothers". StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 22:36, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:24, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I don't think overcategorization is an issue. It is often hard to locate film articles without categories grouping them by creative personnel. Dimadick (talk) 10:18, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Pasek and Paul
edit- Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary eponymous parent for a single "works by" subcategory, which should be sufficient for navigational purposes. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 22:28, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, the subcategory suffices. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:24, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ascaridida
edit- Propose renaming Category:Ascaridida to Category:Ascaridomorpha
- Nominator's rationale: The World Register of Marine Species (the authority on all marine taxa) accepts this taxa as infraorder Ascaridomorpha, with Ascaridida as an unaccepted synonym. C2D opposed as the rename was recent and boldly made (by me, in the course of correcting old articles where taxonomy has been updated). ♠PMC♠ (talk) 22:20, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support To match the current name of the taxon. Dimadick (talk) 10:19, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Albums with commentary tracks
edit- Nominator's rationale: I do not believe this is a defining quality. The commentary tracks aren't significant to the albums and are usually a part of a re-release, special edition, store or digital exclusive, only mentioned in the track listing. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 22:10, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:25, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Not a particularly useful way to group articles. It has nothing to do with genre or actual content. Dimadick (talk) 10:22, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Goodall Focus
edit- Nominator's rationale: delete', redundant category, the two articles already refer to each other directly. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:03, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. I don't see the need. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 04:32, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Bugs Bunny
edit- Nominator's rationale: User:Dimadick has tried his best, but has failed miserably. I am nominating multiple categories named after Looney Tunes Characters (Except for ones like the Road Runner one, which I actually think can stay, but may need to purged too). For instance, the Bugs Bunny one contains a bunch of media and even non-media things; such as Tyson Looney Tunes Meals, which should honestly be moved to main Looney Tunes category instead. Bugs Bunny is already the most popular Looney Tunes character, almost all Looney Tunes media featured him. Furthermore, just because Bugs was named after compilation of movies such as The Essential Bugs Bunny or a concert called Bugs Bunny on Broadway does not instantly mean it is directed related to the character. Finally, if you still don't agree, prhaps we can still make separate categories with names like "Works featuring Bugs Bunny"? But maybe not anyway QuantumFoam66 (talk) 21:36, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Tried his best for what? Anyway, these characters all have sizeable sub-franchises, including numerous films centered around them, therefore they should be kept. Regardless of what's in the base category, the film subcategories make it clear that a category should exist and shouldn't just be ignored. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 00:36, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I did except you to oppose honestly, but I believe I worded several things incorrectly. By the way, Bugs Bunny and several are others in Looney Tunes are already major characters. I know they appear a lot of works, but we could at least purge these categories or create new categories (but that is honestly not necessarily recommended, but there is a separate article for Development of Bugs Bunny) with titles such as Works featuring Bugs Bunny? I think that would be more useful in my honest opinion. Also Tyson Looney Tunes Meals should at least be moved to the main Looney Tunes category, sure they like Tyson Foods products with Looney Tunes character on the label. This article is in the article Porky Pig, Daffy Duck, and Bug Bunny but I read the article and the package foods are practically based on almost every single LOONY TUNES character, NOT JUST THOSE THREE. Does that make sense to you? Haven't you heard enough already?*:QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:25, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I take that most of what I said back now that I think about it. But I believe it would be useful to only include the things primarily related to a single character in these categories still though, especially if there name is in the title like with the category for Porky Pig. This may especially be because the other categories for Looney Tunes video games featuring a specific character (Bugs bunny and daffy duck) have been nominated and purged a few months back.
- QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:37, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I did except you to oppose honestly, but I believe I worded several things incorrectly. By the way, Bugs Bunny and several are others in Looney Tunes are already major characters. I know they appear a lot of works, but we could at least purge these categories or create new categories (but that is honestly not necessarily recommended, but there is a separate article for Development of Bugs Bunny) with titles such as Works featuring Bugs Bunny? I think that would be more useful in my honest opinion. Also Tyson Looney Tunes Meals should at least be moved to the main Looney Tunes category, sure they like Tyson Foods products with Looney Tunes character on the label. This article is in the article Porky Pig, Daffy Duck, and Bug Bunny but I read the article and the package foods are practically based on almost every single LOONY TUNES character, NOT JUST THOSE THREE. Does that make sense to you? Haven't you heard enough already?*:QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:25, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose These characters have notable franchises of their own. Dimadick (talk) 10:24, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. By all means move an article up to the Category:Looney Tunes parent if it relates equally to many different characters, but keep the character categories for articles that focus on just one or two characters. jnestorius(talk) 15:58, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Caves of Xinjiang
edit- Propose renaming Category:Caves of Xinjiang to Category:Buddhist grottoes of Xinjiang
- Nominator's rationale: These are all artificial, and thus not true caves. This is a more accurate description. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 19:38, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Should actually be renamed to Category:Buddhist grottoes in Xinjiang Kingsmasher678 (talk) 19:41, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Johnbod: you might want to comment on this one as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:14, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Rename Category:Buddhist caves in Xinjiang. "Grotto" is merely the Italian for "cave", & in English is an old-fashioned term we should not be using. Most of the individual articles/parents use the standard term "cave", and so should we. As discussed in the Indian cases, that "These are all artificial" is a somewhat dubious statement. Johnbod (talk) 18:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Rename target? There are three possibilities floating around.
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- Add "Buddhist" anyway, per content of the articles. The article grotto says a grotto can be a natural or an artificial cave, so even if these in Xinjiang are artificial caves then the word "cave" still isn't wrong. So I will support Category:Buddhist caves in Xinjiang too. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:36, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Category:Chinese Buddhist grottoes is the parent, but that in turn is a child of Category:Buddhist caves and Category:Grottoes. I suggest a broader review to achieve consistency. jnestorius(talk) 16:04, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, I have tagged this parent category too. "In China" is the format that is used for other countries too. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:15, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Chinese Buddhist grottoes to Category:Buddhist grottoes in China
Category:Hope Flying Dutchmen
edit- Propose merging Category:Hope Flying Dutchmen to Category:Hope Flying Dutchmen and Flying Dutch
- Nominator's rationale: See all other categories in Category:College sports teams in the United States by team, even in cases where the men's and women's teams have different names, the Wikipedia convention is to group them into one category (gender-specific groupings can then be made at the sport level). --Habst (talk) 20:56, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Likewise, Category:Hope Flying Dutchmen athletes should be renamed to Category:Hope Flying Dutchmen and Flying Dutch athletes. --Habst (talk) 20:58, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nomination. Jweiss11 (talk) 23:21, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Alumni of Coleg Cambria
edit- Nominator's rationale: Category containing no articles. Category:Alumni of Yale College, Wrexham has been made a sub-category despite the fact that Yale College Wrexham is now defunct and the two alumni in the category graduated from it when it was not part of Coleg Cambria. This extra layer of categorisation is inaccurate and makes absolutely no sense. AusLondonder (talk) 19:44, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment There is now an article and a category (the one that you removed, AusLondonder) in this nominated category, so it is no longer an empty category. Liz Read! Talk! 06:44, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yep that's why I took it to CSD instead of speedy. The article wasn't there at that point, though. AusLondonder (talk) 08:41, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Wikipedia categories named after theorems
edit- Nominator's rationale: A "maintenance" category, but when asked, category creator could not indicate what maintenance might be needed for these specifically. Fram (talk) 18:50, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. I guess there are many more of these "maintenance" categories around. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:03, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Wikipedia categories named after numbers
edit- Nominator's rationale: A "maintenance" category, but when asked, category creator could not indicate what maintenance might be needed for these specifically. Fram (talk) 18:50, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:03, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Scripps News affiliates
edit- Nominator's rationale: Scripps News ceased distribution to broadcast stations on November 15, 2024, and became streaming-only ([3]). The remaining articles need updating to indicate the subchannel that has replaced it. As such, this category should be empty. This also follows precedent that diginets that fold or cease broadcast distribution do not maintain affiliate categories, e.g. Circle (TV network), Twist (TV network). Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:33, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:IShowSpeed tours
edit- Nominator's rationale: High likelihood that all three IShowSpeed tour articles get deleted, so therefore this category should be removed also. KnowledgeIsPower9281 (talk) 18:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Template:Telemundo-stub
edit- Nominator's rationale: Stub template of unclear utility. It's being used on ten Telemundo-affiliated television stations and one Telemundo television series, but it files its entries into the general Category:United States television station stubs instead of a dedicated "Telemundo stubs" category that couldn't exist without at least 50 more uses than this template has -- but since every one of those articles also has another stub template ("[State]-tv-station stub" and/or "US-drama-tv-prog-stub") on it, that means that every article is already in a more specific subcategory of the Category:United States television station stubs parent (or doesn't belong under that tree at all in the case of the series), and thus this template is adding absolutely nothing but unnecessary duplicate categorization. Bearcat (talk) 17:59, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:627 BC establishments
edit- Propose merging Category:627 BC establishments to Category:627 BC
- Propose merging Category:626 BC establishments to Category:626 BC
- Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated single-article categories, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:39, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose putting Neo-Babylonian Empire into Category:626 BC seems less helpful for navigation either from Category to article or vice versa. The connection between them is opaque.
- That is how it is done with other year establishments in these ancient times too. Hence these two categories are isolated. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- More useful and logical to upmerge to Category:620s BC establishments. jnestorius(talk) 11:50, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Establishments categories by decade start after 400 BC and the two articles in the nominated category are already in an establishment category by century. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:49, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:LGBTQ by continent and country
edit- Propose merging Category:LGBTQ history in Africa by country (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:LGBTQ history by country and Category:LGBTQ history in Africa
- Propose merging Category:LGBTQ history in Asia by country (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:LGBTQ history by country and Category:LGBTQ history in Asia
- Propose merging Category:LGBTQ history in Europe by country (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:LGBTQ history by country and Category:LGBTQ history in Europe
- Propose merging Category:LGBTQ history in North America by country (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:LGBTQ history by country and Category:LGBTQ history in North America
- Propose merging Category:LGBTQ history in Oceania by country (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:LGBTQ history by country and Category:LGBTQ history in Oceania
- Propose merging Category:LGBTQ history in South America by country (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:LGBTQ history by country and Category:LGBTQ history in South America
- Propose merging Category:LGBTQ culture in Africa by country (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:LGBTQ culture by country and Category:LGBTQ culture in Africa
- Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary container. Also, analogous categories are not by country by continent. Web-julio (talk) 16:17, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge considering that the parent continent categories are very thinly populated with no other subcategories and very few articles directly in them. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:42, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:National Football League Most Valuable Player Award winners
edit- Nominator's rationale: Matching its parent article; WP:CONCISE ~ Dissident93 (talk) 16:09, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. The prior name is pretty long. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:12, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support, per nom. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:27, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:National Football League Offensive Player of the Year Award winners
edit- Nominator's rationale: Matching its parent article; WP:CONCISE ~ Dissident93 (talk) 16:09, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. The prior name is pretty long. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:12, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support, per nom. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:28, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:National Football League Defensive Player of the Year Award winners
edit- Nominator's rationale: Matching its parent article; WP:CONCISE ~ Dissident93 (talk) 16:09, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. The prior name is pretty long. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:12, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support, per nom. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:28, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:National Football League Defensive Rookie of the Year Award winners
edit- Nominator's rationale: Matching its parent article; WP:CONCISE ~ Dissident93 (talk) 16:04, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. The prior name is pretty long. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:12, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support, per nom. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:28, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:National Football League Offensive Rookie of the Year Award winners
edit- Nominator's rationale: Matching its parent article; WP:CONCISE ~ Dissident93 (talk) 16:04, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. The prior name is pretty long. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:12, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support, per nom. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:28, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Indian Paintbrush (company) films
edit- Propose renaming Category:Indian Paintbrush (company) films to Category:Indian Paintbrush films
- Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary disambiguation. No other category with "indian paintbrush" currently exists and even if they did, "films" exists as a natural disambiguator. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 15:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- This is the wrong order. First article Indian Paintbrush (company) should be renamed, thereafter this category can follow. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:30, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Further education colleges in Pembrokeshire
edit- Nominator's rationale: Merge also to Category:Buildings and structures in Pembrokeshire and Category:Education in Pembrokeshire.
Category containing only a single article, better categorised within the parents AusLondonder (talk) 15:52, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Triple merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:31, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Further education colleges in Denbighshire
edit- Nominator's rationale: Merge also to Category:Education in Denbighshire. Category containing only a single article, better categorised within the parents AusLondonder (talk) 15:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Triple merge, also to Category:Buildings and structures in Denbighshire. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:33, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:8th-century BC establishments in Europe
edit- Nominator's rationale: delete, isolated category and both subcats are already in Category:8th-century BC establishments by country. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Doctor Who locations
edit- Nominator's rationale: No subjects except for an audio series that takes place in the titular location. Every other location with an article has been redirected, making this category relatively moot. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 15:32, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, the subcategory suffices. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:34, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete; the category name is ambiguous and could be read as meaning locations where Doctor Who was filmed. Ham II (talk) 22:09, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Professional wrestling shows in British Columbia
edit- Nominator's rationale: A request to speedily rename this category to match the contents of the category was opposed. There are no articles on this topic except for those which took place in Vancouver so this is an unnecessary layer of categorization. User:Namiba 15:17, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Milwaukee Brewers (AA) players
edit- Propose renaming Category:Milwaukee Brewers (AA) players to Category:Milwaukee Brewers (1891) players
- Nominator's rationale: The description says this category is only for people who played on the 1886–92 version of the Milwaukee Brewers in the original version of the American Association (AA) in 1891, when that league was considered a major league. However, a later team called the Milwaukee Brewers played in a second incarnation of the "American Association" (AA) for fifty years. Thus, on its face, "Category:Milwaukee Brewers (AA) players" could refer to players from either team. As a result, more than three times as many members of the "Category:Milwaukee Brewers (AA) players" are miscategorized members of the 1902–52 minor league team than correctly categorized members of the 1891 major league team. In short, "(AA)" does not disambiguate this category from Category:Milwaukee Brewers (minor league) players. "(1891)" would Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 15:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:19th-century BC establishments by country
edit- Propose merging Category:19th-century BC establishments by country to Category:19th-century BC establishments
- Propose merging Category:16th-century BC establishments by country to Category:16th-century BC establishments
- Propose merging Category:15th-century BC establishments by country to Category:15th-century BC establishments
- Propose merging Category:13th-century BC establishments by country to Category:13th-century BC establishments
- Propose merging Category:12th-century BC establishments by country to Category:12th-century BC establishments
- Propose merging Category:11th-century BC establishments by country to Category:11th-century BC establishments
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer for this very early period, every of these categories contains very few subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom.--User:Namiba 22:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:13th-century BC establishments in India
edit- Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated category with only two articles, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:52, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:15th-century BC establishments in the Maya civilization
edit- Propose merging Category:16th-century BC establishments in the Maya civilization to Category:2nd-millennium BC establishments in the Maya civilization and Category:16th-century BC establishments
- Propose merging Category:15th-century BC establishments in the Maya civilization to Category:2nd-millennium BC establishments in the Maya civilization and Category:15th-century BC establishments
- Propose merging Category:13th-century BC establishments in the Maya civilization to Category:2nd-millennium BC establishments in the Maya civilization and Category:13th-century BC establishments
- Propose merging Category:11th-century BC establishments in the Maya civilization to Category:2nd-millennium BC establishments in the Maya civilization and Category:11th-century BC establishments
- Nominator's rationale: merge, semi-isolated single- or dual-article categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:44, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:15th-century BC establishments in Vietnam
edit- Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated single-article category. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:719 BC
edit- Propose merging Category:719 BC to Category:710s BC
- Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated single-article category. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:08, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fictional Belgian people
edit- Propose renaming Category:Fictional Belgian people to Category:Fictional people created by Belgians
- Nominator's rationale: The current name gives the impression that these are characters with an in-universe nationality or citizenship. Most of them have no defined nationality though and are (often deliberately) created as somewhat "universal" or vaguely Western European. A rename of the category may make this clearer (better suggestions for the new name are welcome!) Fram (talk) 13:22, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Procedural oppose, this should be discussed together with the sibling categories. Just renaming Belgium does not make sense. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:42, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Without comment on what the categories should be for, the current category tree does contain some articles (e.g. Doctor Evil, Hercule Poirot) where the character is specifically Belgian but the creator is not, some where both character and creator are Belgian (e.g. Tintin (character)), and some where the creator is Belgian but the character is not specifically, or if they are no mention is made of it in the relevant article (e.g. Gil Jourdan lives in Paris; if he is canonically Belgian our article does not mention it). There are also several articles included which are about the work of fiction rather than the character (La Patrouille des Castors, L'Élève Ducobu). Whatever happens to the category it could do with cleaning up. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 12:45, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Tintin is never officially or canonically stated to be Belgian, although much points to it. But perhaps the category needs splitting instead of deleting then, any suggestions what the best name might be for the ones created by a Belgian? Fram (talk) 11:32, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- oppose The nationality or ethnicity of the creator is not defining for the characters. Category:Fictional people created by Belgians would have to be deleted. Dimadick (talk) 10:29, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Big 12 Championship Game venues
edit- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:PERFCAT/WP:OCVENUE User:Namiba 19:16, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:36, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Channel 4 presenters
edit- Propose merging Category:Channel 4 presenters to Category:British television presenters
- Nominator's rationale: It's just people who present or have once presented random Channel 4 programmes. We shouldn't be dividing by network, which amounts to nothing more than WP:PERFCAT. The national level is sufficient. --woodensuperman 08:51, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Most would not need merging. See https://petscan.wmcloud.org/?psid=29825441 for the few that are not in English/Scottish etc. Some e.g. Fred Sirieix are not British anyway. Shouldn't Category:BBC television presenters be added to this nomination? See also the 2007 precedents for deletion listed in the related nomination #Category:ABS-CBN personalities. – Fayenatic London 16:42, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- There are probably a lot of "by network" presenters, personalities, newsreaders, etc,. that should be considered for deletion per WP:PERFCAT. --woodensuperman 16:47, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Manually merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:38, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:FM-Class articles
edit- Propose renaming Category:FM-Class articles to
Category:FM-Class filesCategory:FM-Class pages and all subcategories
- Propose renaming Category:FM-Class articles to
- Nominator's rationale: Quite simply, these are not articles, but are pages in the File namespaces. I suspect the category was named because it was easier to populate via template, but now we are using lua it will be easy to change this — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:56, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- The same applies to all subcategories. Shouldn't they be renamed too, in one go with the parent? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes I said "and all subcategories" in my nomination. I am not going to list them all here! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:50, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- @MSGJ: well, you should, otherwise it is not going to happen. You also need to tag the pages. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:30, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- I have listed the subcats on the talk page with their target names. IMHO, if approved by consensus here, this can go ahead as housekeeping under WP:G6 without needing to tag them all. – Fayenatic London 11:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- @MSGJ: well, you should, otherwise it is not going to happen. You also need to tag the pages. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:30, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes I said "and all subcategories" in my nomination. I am not going to list them all here! — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:50, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- On reflection I have changed my proposed target for the rename to Category:FM-Class pages as this may fit in better with other categories if they are also renamed. For example Category:File-Class pages works better than Category:File-Class files — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:52, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Private hospitals in Greece
edit- Propose merging Category:Private hospitals in Greece to Category:Hospitals in Greece
- Nominator's rationale: Only 1 entry. LibStar (talk) 02:39, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- It should also be merged to Category:Private hospitals. But better expand this nomination with the Saudi Arabia and Vietnam siblings. Currently there aren't any individual private hospitals directly in Category:Private hospitals and it would not make much sense to have the Greek private hospital as the only biography there. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Actually found another Greek hospital and have added it. LibStar (talk) 06:12, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Strongly oppose, under-population is not a valid reason for deletion. It should be tagged appropriately under [[Category:Underpopulated categories]]. (Same response I had given to Haitian company founders below). LibStar, perhaps you can find other entries instead of creating these nominations considering you found second entry here? Savvyjack23 (talk) 16:46, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Savvyjack23: if you know any articles that belong in the category just add them instantly. That is more effective than tagging. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:02, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Savvyjack23, Perhaps you can find them to support your strongly oppose position. LibStar (talk) 23:22, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Haitian company founders
edit- Propose merging Category:Haitian company founders to Category:Haitian businesspeople
- Nominator's rationale: Only 1 entry. LibStar (talk) 02:32, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Dual merge, also to Category:Company founders.Marcocapelle (talk) 05:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Striking support per below. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:37, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Strongly oppose, under-population is not a valid reason for deletion. It should be tagged appropriately under [[Category:Underpopulated categories]]. Furthermore, just because there is only one entry, does not mean there are not other biographies elsewhere to include. Savvyjack23 (talk) 16:38, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Recent additions, I’ve added 4 pages here. (5 total) —I haven’t even scratched the surface. (1-2% total Haiti pages). LibStar, Marcocapelle. Savvyjack23 (talk) 19:02, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Mehreen Jabbar's directions
edit- Nominator's rationale: category does not follow established naming conventions, and currently contains both films and TV shows by this director. 1857a (talk) 01:55, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Split per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Vanuatuan people by occupation and century
edit- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This is a redundant category layer SMasonGarrison 00:39, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Beat 'em up characters
edit- Nominator's rationale: contains only one subcategory, at the moment. Perhaps you could populate it somehow, or maybe not. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 00:33, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
DeleteMerge for now, per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:52, 22 November 2024 (UTC)- Upmerge to Category:Action game characters, with no prejudice against recreation if more members can be found. jlwoodwa (talk) 21:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Upmerge, too small to be needed. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 00:38, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Upmerge Not a genre with multiple notable media franchises. How are we supposed to populate the category?Dimadick (talk) 10:31, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
November 21
editCategory:People from Obama Domain
edit- Propose merging Category:People from Obama Domain to Category:People from Fukui Prefecture
- Propose merging Category:People from Awara, Fukui to Category:People from Fukui Prefecture
- Propose deleting Category:People from Obama, Fukui
- Nominator's rationale: merge, only one or two articles in each of these categories, this is not helpful for navigation. The articles of the third category are already in the tree of Category:People from Fukui Prefecture so a merge is not needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:08, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:People executed by the United States federal government by lethal injection
edit- Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary category that duplicates Category:21st-century executions by the United States federal government. All 16 entries are in that category and vice versa. Lost in Quebec (talk) 22:59, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Don't know. The articles of this category should still be part of the tree of Category:People executed by the United States by lethal injection, right? Marcocapelle (talk) 05:58, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:People charged with corruption
edit- Nominator's rationale: containerize, follow-up on this earlier discussion, we shouldn't have articles directly in a "charged with" category. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:18, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- There are lots of categories that begin with "Category:People charged with" — how would a decision to remove this category (specific to corruption) impact categories about murder and terrorism, especially when those charges touch on a subject's notability? JFHJr (㊟) 19:56, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Di (they-them), Reconrabbit, and RevelationDirect: pinging contributors to earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Containerize for Now per WP:BLPCAT and WP:BLPCRIMINAL. Certainly this charge could be discussed in the article, but the category seems problematic, especially when the contents includes living people. (I would also favor deleting Category:People acquitted of corruption which, if eliminated, would make this category uneccessary.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:20, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Let's discuss the latter in a separate nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:40, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Scientists from Plano, Texas
edit- Propose merging Category:Scientists from Plano, Texas to Category:People from Plano, Texas
- Nominator's rationale: Category with two entries. Also upmerge entries to Scientists from Texas, Lost in Quebec (talk) 19:27, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Probably single merge to Category:People from Plano, Texas, these people were just born in Texas, not scientists in Texas. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:29, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Added more people to the category. Dick Haugland was a scientist in Plano. Flurrious (talk) 23:08, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Restaurants in Bristol
edit- Propose merging Category:Restaurants in Bristol to Category:Restaurants in England
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 16:11, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
Support as per nom.LibStar (talk) 05:37, 14 November 2024 (UTC)- Support as per nom. --Lenticel (talk) 21:03, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Looks like there's two articles in this category now? - The Bushranger One ping only 02:35, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose changed my vote, now that it has 2 entries. LibStar (talk) 05:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Is two enough to keep the category?
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- One or two articles does not make a difference for me. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support per WP:NARROWCAT without objection to recreation if the article count grows considerably per WP:MFN. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:24, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Computer companies of Haiti
edit- Propose merging Category:Computer companies of Haiti to Category:Technology companies of Haiti
- Nominator's rationale: Only has 1 entry. LibStar (talk) 04:29, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Probably the target can be upmerged too, to Category:Companies of Haiti. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:51, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- support merge to Companies of Haiti as well. LibStar (talk) 05:38, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag Category:Technology companies of Haiti.
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Professional wrestling debut categories
edit- Nominator's rationale: I don't see a scheme for debuts for pro wrestlers or really any other profession, just things like Category:Debut albums and Category:Directorial debut films. The year of a wrestler's debut is not a defining characteristic to the individual. These are available as lists in 1987 in professional wrestling#Debuts and 1988 in professional wrestling#Debuts, respectively. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 22:59, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep - The year wrestlers debut is noteworthy. Pretty much all Japanese wrestlers have rivals based off of the year they debuted like Chono/Mutoh/Hashimoto. Sometimes teams are formed based on years people debuted. There's often rookie cups and titles. I would look at it more like Category:1990 films. Unlike other sports or even movies, there's no organized amateur pro wrestling scene. You are a pro wrestler when you have your first match. KatoKungLee (talk) 01:53, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Shouldn't the category then be more along the lines of "Professional wrestlers who debuted in 1987"? Anyway, the equivalent in other sports would be a player's rookie season, and no one is categorizing Michael Jordan by playing his first professional basketball game in 1984. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 02:39, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Rookies in other sports have already played organized ball for many years at various levels by the time they make the major leagues. Michael Jordan's first pro game was in 1984. When a wrestler debuts, they are a wrestler from that day forward. It doesn't matter whether it's in WWE or something like Ice Ribbon, it's counted the same because there are no organized amateur leagues. How long you've been around and when you've debuted tells you a lot about variou wrestlers.KatoKungLee (talk) 19:08, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Shouldn't the category then be more along the lines of "Professional wrestlers who debuted in 1987"? Anyway, the equivalent in other sports would be a player's rookie season, and no one is categorizing Michael Jordan by playing his first professional basketball game in 1984. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 02:39, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete as non-defining and trivial.--User:Namiba 19:12, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Gravity Rush (franchise)
edit- Nominator's rationale: There are only 3 real pages that belong here, GR1, GR2 and Kat. I don't think this passes the bar for a franchise category, much as I wish it did. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 00:23, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- (category creator) For what it's worth, it also contains a navigation template and four files. I think PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale also fits in the category pretty solidly considering all its other franchise categories, and the two real-world people are relevant enough to categorize too, in my opinion. I'll say keep, but I'm fine if it's deleted (admittedly, all I know about Gravity Rush is from Scott the Woz). — gabldotink [ talk | contribs | global account ] 01:20, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- Well, All-Stars Battle Royale shouldn't be in any franchise categories. Per WP:CATDEF, it has to be defining for the game (i.e. being a literal part of that franchise, not having a cameo character from it). ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:18, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- (category creator) For what it's worth, it also contains a navigation template and four files. I think PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale also fits in the category pretty solidly considering all its other franchise categories, and the two real-world people are relevant enough to categorize too, in my opinion. I'll say keep, but I'm fine if it's deleted (admittedly, all I know about Gravity Rush is from Scott the Woz). — gabldotink [ talk | contribs | global account ] 01:20, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. Three articles *is* enough for a franchise category, in my opinion (and past experience), also note that there are also the files. It may need some trimming, but there is enough here. - The Bushranger One ping only 04:58, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Seeing consensus to at least purge, but no consensus on whether this should continue to exist.
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Category:Haitian billionaires
edit- Nominator's rationale: I would have said merge to Category:Haitian people but that category shouldn't have entries. Unlikely to be more Haitian billionaires out there. LibStar (talk) 04:59, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- It should be merged to Category:Billionaires at the very least. But better expand this nomination with a significant number of sibling categories, e.g. all with one or two articles. Currently there aren't any biography articles directly in Category:Billionaires and it would not make much sense to have the Haitian billionnaire as the only biography there. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:06, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Merge to
both Category:Haitian people andCategory:Billionaires, obviously. There is no reason not to add to HP, since we don't have Category:Haitian businesspeople (oh, oops we do, and he's in it). The category note says "Pages in this category should be moved to subcategories where applicable" (my bold). Where there is no "applicable" category you leave them there. That goes for billionaires with no national subcats too. This how we normally treat these cases. Johnbod (talk) 23:22, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Foreign residents of Mexican California
edit- Nominator's rationale: merge, unnecessary distinction, especially at provincial level, and for the larger part we do not know if people were naturalized or not. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:29, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- Quibbles with the proposed move: 1) Mexican California was not called Alta California from 1836 to 1847, but rather the Department of The Californias#Department_of_Mexico. 2) Therefore, "People of Alta California" would exclude people from the "Department" era. 3) I'm pretty sure that, for anyone notable enough to be in Wikipedia, we know whether they were naturalized or not. And willingness to pursue naturalization (or not) tells us a lot about those individuals. WCCasey (talk) 16:00, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Swarthmore Garnet
edit- Propose merging Category:Swarthmore Garnet to Category:Swarthmore Garnet Tide
- Nominator's rationale: All the college's sports teams should be under one category. It seems like the football team is referred to as the Garnet Tide while all other teams are referred to as just Garnet -- this also means that Category:Swarthmore Garnet Tide should be renamed to Category:Swarthmore Garnet after the merger, and the following should all be renamed/merged:
- Category:Swarthmore Garnet Tide athletic directors -> Category:Swarthmore Garnet athletic directors
- Category:Swarthmore Garnet Tide coaches -> Category:Swarthmore Garnet coaches
- Category:Swarthmore Garnet Tide coaches -> Category:Swarthmore Garnet coaches
- Category:Swarthmore Garnet Tide men's basketball coaches -> Category:Swarthmore Garnet men's basketball coaches
- Category:Swarthmore Garnet Tide men's lacrosse coaches -> Category:Swarthmore Garnet men's lacrosse coaches
- Category:Swarthmore Garnet Tide baseball -> Category:Swarthmore Garnet baseball
- Category:Swarthmore Garnet Tide baseball players -> Category:Swarthmore Garnet baseball players
- Category:Swarthmore Garnet Tide basketball -> Category:Swarthmore Garnet basketball
- Category:Swarthmore Garnet Tide men's basketball -> Category:Swarthmore Garnet men's basketball
- Category:Swarthmore Garnet Tide men's basketball players -> Category:Swarthmore Garnet men's basketball players
- Category:Swarthmore Garnet Tide men's lacrosse -> Category:Swarthmore Garnet men's lacrosse
- Category:Swarthmore Garnet Tide men's lacrosse players -> Category:Swarthmore Garnet men's lacrosse players
- Category:Swarthmore Garnet Tide seasons -> Category:Swarthmore Garnet seasons (merge)
--Habst (talk) 15:05, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Further education colleges in Conwy County Borough
edit- Nominator's rationale: Merge also to Category:Buildings and structures in Conwy County Borough and Category:Education in Conwy County Borough
Category containing only a single article, better categorised within the parents. AusLondonder (talk) 12:21, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Triple merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:10, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Bordeaux tram stops
edit- Propose deleting Category:Tram stops in Bègles
- Propose deleting Category:Tram stops in Bordeaux
- Propose deleting Category:Tram stops in Bruges, Gironde
- Propose deleting Category:Tram stops in Eysines
- Propose deleting Category:Tram stops in Floirac, Gironde
- Propose deleting Category:Tram stops in Le Haillan
- Propose deleting Category:Tram stops in Lormont
- Propose deleting Category:Tram stops in Mérignac
- Propose merging Category:Tram stops in Pessac to Category:Pessac
- Nominator's rationale: delete/merge, duplicate categorization, these tram stops are already in Category:Bordeaux tramway stops. It is not meaningful to have categories of tram stops by neighbouring communes of Bordeaux, even more because most of these villages (in fact suburbs) do not even have a root category on their own. On top of that, many of these categories are very small.@Liz and Chris j wood: pinging contributors to this previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. How are these stops even individually notable? Johnbod (talk) 23:16, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- I wondered about the latter too. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Buddhist cave temples
edit- Propose renaming Category:Buddhist cave temples in Andhra Pradesh to Category:Buddhist caves in Andhra Pradesh
- Propose renaming Category:Buddhist cave temples in Gujarat to Category:Buddhist caves in Gujarat
- Propose renaming Category:Buddhist cave temples in Madhya Pradesh to Category:Buddhist caves in Madhya Pradesh
- Propose renaming Category:Buddhist cave temples in Maharashtra to Category:Buddhist caves in Maharashtra
- Nominator's rationale: rename follow-up on this previous discussion and aligning with parent category name. @Kingsmasher678 and Johnbod: pinging contributors to previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support rename, but oppose this target. Something to clarify that these are manmade would be nice, because these features are almost exclusively rock-cut architecture not caves. In fact, I think I only saw one natural cave in the whole bunch when I was sorting them by state. That was the original idea I had when I named to cats, though it missed the mark!
- Kingsmasher678 (talk) 17:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support Best solution so far. You can't always tell whether a large excavation began as a natural cave or not. Johnbod (talk) 23:14, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- I am trying to go through the cave categories right now and these are practically the only group of human structures called caves in the entire tree. It's also kind of irrelevant if it started natural, because it sure isn't now, and would therefore be rock-cut.
- Kingsmasher678 (talk) 01:29, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- I can see you find it annoying that the standard term is caves, but it just is. The forms found in India typically fall into two main types, often both represented at large sites like the Ajanta Caves, viharas, the most numerous, which can't be called temples, and chaityas, which generally can. So "caves" is used as a group term. Johnbod (talk) 02:30, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- I’m not arguing for the current names, I’m arguing that they should be clarified to be rock cut or at least indicated that they aren’t natural, because in the caves tree, nearly everything is natural. It’s an important distinction. I mean, we literally have an article about the correct term. I’m not trying to call them temples, as I have been told that isn’t right. Sorry if there was some confusion.
- Kingsmasher678 (talk) 20:35, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Also, both of those article you linked called the structures temple, just so you know.
- Kingsmasher678 (talk) 20:36, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- I can see you find it annoying that the standard term is caves, but it just is. The forms found in India typically fall into two main types, often both represented at large sites like the Ajanta Caves, viharas, the most numerous, which can't be called temples, and chaityas, which generally can. So "caves" is used as a group term. Johnbod (talk) 02:30, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Ministers of the Victoria state government
edit- Propose renaming Category:Assistant Treasurers of Victoria (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Assistant treasurers of Victoria
- Propose renaming Category:Attorneys-general of Victoria (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Attorneys general of Victoria
- Propose renaming Category:Chief Secretaries of Victoria (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Chief secretaries of Victoria
- Propose renaming Category:Commissioner of Crown Lands and Survey (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Commissioners of crown lands and survey (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Commissioners of Trade and Customs (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Commissioners of trade and customs (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers Assisting the Premier on Multicultural Affairs (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers assisting the premier on multicultural affairs (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Ageing (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for ageing (Victoria)Ministers for ageing (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Agriculture (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for Agriculture (Victoria) and Category:Ministers for agriculture (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Casino, Gaming and Liquor Regulation (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for casino, gaming and liquor regulation (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Children (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for children (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Climate Action (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for climate action (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Community Sport (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for community sport (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Consumer Affairs (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for consumer affairs (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Corrections (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for corrections (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Creative Industries (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for creative industries (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Crime Prevention (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for crime prevention (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Disability (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for disability (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Education (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for education (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Education Services (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for education services (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Employment (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for employment (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Energy and Resources (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for energy and resources (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Equality (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for equality (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Finance (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for finance (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Forests (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for forests (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Health (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for health (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Higher Education (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for higher education (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Industrial Relations (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for industrial relations (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Innovation (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for innovation (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Labour (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for labour (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Local Government (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for local government (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Major Projects (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for major projects (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Medical Research (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for medical research (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Mental Health (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for mental health (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Multicultural Affairs (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for multicultural affairs (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Planning (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for planning (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Ports and Freight (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for ports and freight (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Prevention of Family Violence (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for prevention of family violence (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Public Transport (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for public transport (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Public Works (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for public works (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Racing (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for racing (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Regional Development (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for regional development (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Roads and Road Safety (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for roads and road safety (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Skills and Workforce Participation (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for skills and workforce participation (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Small Business (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for small business (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Sport (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for sport (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for the Arts (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for the arts (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for the Conservation (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for the conservation (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for the Environment (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for the environment (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for the Suburban Rail Loop (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for the suburban rail loop (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Training and Skills (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for training and skills (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Transport Infrastructure (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for transport infrastructure (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Treaty and First Peoples (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for treaty and first peoples (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Veterans (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for veterans (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Water (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for water (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Women (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for women (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Youth (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for youth (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers for Youth Justice (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers for youth justice (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers of Immigration (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers of immigration (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers of Mines (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers of mines (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Ministers of Railways (Victoria) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Ministers of railways (Victoria)
- Propose renaming Category:Postmaster-Generals of Victoria (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Postmasters general of Victoria
- Nominator's rationale: Most (if not all) of the capitalisations are inconstant with WP:JOBTITLE. GMH Melbourne (talk) 07:30, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per norm Ultraodan (talk) 08:23, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Attorneys general - it should keep the hyphen; similarly, Postmasters general should be Category:Postmasters-general of Victoria; Oppose Suburban Rail Loop as a proper noun; Support everything else. StAnselm (talk) 16:31, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Happy with that GMH Melbourne (talk) 23:49, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Female soldier and warrior characters in video games
edit- Nominator's rationale: Pointlessly specific and poorly defined, many of the character included are just 'warriors' which can apply to almost every fictional character depending on the amount of original research. Proposing merging into the target, then going through and cleaning up. Kung Fu Man (talk) 06:52, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Manually merge per nom. The purging should take place during the merge instead of after, so that articles are not moved to a wrong category. The same problem occurs for the three sibling categories in Category:Fictional female soldiers and warriors by medium, they should be nominated too. The biggest question is: who is going to all of that, if there is consensus for this? Because the closer of the discussion will do no more than listing this at WP:CFDWM and wait for any volunteer to implement the outcome. With big jobs like this it can take months, in exceptional cases even years. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:23, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'd get it done in an hour or two if that. The comic book one feels like the only one that'd be a real problem, but it's doable.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 09:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for volunteering! Marcocapelle (talk) 10:38, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'd get it done in an hour or two if that. The comic book one feels like the only one that'd be a real problem, but it's doable.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 09:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- It occurs to me that in the other three media categories "warrior" isn't a similarly trivial characteristic as it is in video games. Presumably those should be split, like below. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:47, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose splitting Category:Female soldier and warrior characters in anime and manga to Category:Fictional soldiers in anime and manga and Category:Fictional warriors in anime and manga
- Propose splitting Category:Female soldier and warrior characters in television to Category:Fictional military personnel in television and Category:Fictional warriors in television
- Propose splitting Category:Female soldier and warrior characters in comics to Category:Fictional military personnel in comics and Category:Fictional warriors in comics
- A key problem there is the Warrior concept is so broadly defined, in any fiction almost any character could be justified as a warrior. It's better to let stuff like the martial arts or weapon user categories handle those kind of definitions.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:44, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- This is yet another mess made by AHI-3000 when he created Category:Fictional female soldiers and warriors by medium which is an unencyclopedic cross-categorization, soldiers are distinct from warriors. Now it is impossible to separate without manually merging them back because the two have been lumped together. That said, I support manual merge to Category:Fictional female soldiers and Category:Fictional female warriors for everything in here that is applicable. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:05, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:English High School of Boston alumni
edit- Propose renaming Category:English High School of Boston alumni to Category:The English High School alumni
- Nominator's rationale: The corresponding article for this category is titled The English High School. That article also says that it is "[c]ommonly referred to as Boston English." "English High School of Boston" should not be an option for the name of this category. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 03:27, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- It may be a better idea
to rename the article to Boston English and have the category renamed to Category:Boston English alumni.Marcocapelle (talk) 03:42, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe not such a great idea after all. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:08, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose renaming to Category:The English High School alumni. Whatever the title of the article, it is likely that some users would be confused by that, thinking that it refers to high schools in England, or to some other school known as "The English High School", such as the one in Lynn, Massachusetts, or the one in Providence, Rhode Island, or the one in Nişantaşı, Turkey (now renamed). A far better idea is to rename the article on the school to make its identity clear, to something such as "The English High School, Boston". I don't like the idea of renaming it to "Boston English"; certainly that would not be desirable unless it can be shown that that is by a significant margin the commonest name used for the school, and even then I wouldn't support it, because to most people that would mean the variety of the English language spoken in Boston. JBW (talk) 13:30, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:10th-century Cypriot bishops
edit- Propose splitting Category:10th-century Cypriot bishops to Category:10th-century bishops and Category:Cypriot bishops
- Nominator's rationale: Isolated cateogy. Upmerge for now SMasonGarrison 02:12, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:43, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
November 20
editCategory:Further education colleges in Carmarthenshire
edit- Nominator's rationale: Merge also to Category:Buildings and structures in Carmarthenshire
Category:Education in Carmarthenshire Category containing only a single article, better categorised within the parents. AusLondonder (talk) 21:04, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:44, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Juvenile prisons in England
edit- Nominator's rationale: Duplicates Category:Young Offender Institutions. AusLondonder (talk) 14:56, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Question: Shouldn't this be merged and redirected? SMasonGarrison 22:19, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Agree with Mason's question. Or alternatively should Category:Young Offender Institutions in England become a subcategory of Category:Juvenile prisons in England? Marcocapelle (talk) 04:36, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Marcocapelle and Smasongarrison's comments?
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Category:Trump administration personnel
edit- Propose renaming Category:Trump administration personnel to Category:First Trump administration personnel
- Nominator's rationale:I think we should differentiate between the first and second go-around for Trump. Vinnylospo (talk) 18:11, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Question. What do the Cleveland administration categories look like?SMasonGarrison 22:20, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Rename somehow, though I am not sure if Category:First Trump administration personnel is good grammar. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:32, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- "Trump administation personnel, first term"? If it's renamed, Category:Second Trump administration personnel needs to follow. Should Category:Cleveland administration personnel be split if this one succeeds? StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 17:35, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Rename target?
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- Rename per nom. "Good grammar" or not it's going to be the common useage. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:56, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Whitnash
edit- Nominator's rationale: Category containing only the main article and a biography, both are already appropriately categorised. Unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 17:57, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:59, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep I've added 2 more articles and it now has a sub category and given its a town it probably is appropriate to have a category for it. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:09, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- The biography does not belong here, per WP:COPSEP, it is appropriately in Category:Clergy from Warwickshire. The football club (article and subcategory) is likely to move away from Whitnash soon, it is barely a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:03, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: perhaps we need more guidance on the number of pages a topic category or other categories should contain/could contain given SMALLCAT was deprecated. Whitnash parish had a population of 10,489 in 2021 but Stanhope had only 4,436 but Category:Stanhope, County Durham has 56 pages and a sub category. I'm not of the mind that we should keep all categories except those like Category:Churches in Kenton, Devon for example that would probably only even contain 1 page as most villages only have 1 or 2 churches but most villages/parishes like Kenton would probably be able to have a list of listed buildings and several would probably be clearly notable even if we assumed not every listed building was notable per WP:GEOFEAT and there would probably be one or 2 other things in the parish or something else associated with the village so add to a category. Consider Category:Grassington which until recently had only 2 articles other than the main article but now has a total of 10 articles. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:52, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Response to Crouch, Swale's latest comment? A subcategory and three articles as of relisting (one of which is a biography).
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- Comment The school article should also not be in this category as it is not located in the town and is already appropriately categorised in Category:Academies in Warwickshire Category:Schools in Leamington Spa and Category:Secondary schools in Warwickshire. Other, smaller towns may have categories if there are sufficient genuine articles for them. That's what's relevant. AusLondonder (talk) 22:13, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Its in the parish so is within the scope of the category. Its normal for both articles and categories to cover both settlements and administrative units that may cover other units so the school can be in the Royal Leamington Spa tree as well as here. Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- With so many questionable articles in it I am certainly not changing my mind about deletion of the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:52, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Its in the parish so is within the scope of the category. Its normal for both articles and categories to cover both settlements and administrative units that may cover other units so the school can be in the Royal Leamington Spa tree as well as here. Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Members of the American Antiquarian Society
edit- Nominator's rationale: A non-defining characteristic. User:Namiba 17:49, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, mere membership of an organization is hardly ever a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:53, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Times that 1100 Wikipedians supported something
edit- Nominator's rationale: We don't really need such fine-grained divisions. The amount of times 1000 Wikipedians or more supported something is already very low, and subdividing to the nearest hundred will leave most categories empty, or with one item at most. Having them all in Category:Times that 1000 Wikipedians supported something makes for better navigation. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 14:18, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- I agree once we reach 1000 we should make it exponential if needed or by 500s •Cyberwolf•talk? 14:27, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:37, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. It was a late-night spur-of-the-moment creation; now in the harsh light of day, I agree we should probably be looking at 500s or exponential increases past 1000. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email · global) 02:40, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. I was actually planning to say this at the talk page before it hit 1100 signatures. Nythar (💬-🍀) 09:37, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. --Leonidlednev (T, C, L) 15:09, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: The category is now empty, and the page was moved to Category:Times that 1200 Wikipedians supported something. --Leonidlednev (T, C, L) 20:50, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment...The open letter is now past 1200 signatures... - Shearonink (talk) 16:14, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Why not change the title of the "1000 times" category to "Category:Times that 1000+ Wikipedians supported something"? That may help make the individual hundreds between 1000 and 2000 seem less necessary to observe. Reddit clarifies why beggars CAN'T be choosers. On the other hand, Wikipedia clarifies why editors CAN be choosers!!! (talk) 17:10, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom – seems fairly straightforward to me. RunningTiger123 (talk) 18:31, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete now because category is empty, and rename "1000 times" to 1000+. Myrealnamm (💬Let's talk · 📜My work) 23:55, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Nominate Category:Times that 1200 Wikipedians supported something for CFD consideration of deletion. This is ridiculous, I deal with empty categories and every few days we have another one of these categories deleted. We can't keep making these categories for every increment of 100 or 1000 new signatures. There is nothing to Merge, it's just shuffling one page into the next category for a slightly increased number. Just make one category for 1000+ and be done with it. Liz Read! Talk! 02:46, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- ^^*Yes. Agree with Liz. - Shearonink (talk) 03:06, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- I tagged that category page too. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:02, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge the one page that exists in the 1200 one, and Delete the 1100 one. Agree with previous comment of Liz. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 13:09, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge anything above 1000 should be in increments of 1000. Seems silly to keep doing it in units of 100. SWinxy (talk) 07:07, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:People from Ngawi
edit- Propose merging Category:People from Ngawi to Category:People from Ngawi Regency
- Nominator's rationale: Recently created and seemingly duplicates the longstanding Category:People from Ngawi Regency, which was emptied out of process to populate it (I have reverted those actions). Ngawi is ambiguous, so this category should not be titled without a disambiguator. It seems that subcategorization is not merited, but I don't have strong feelings about a merge outcome if the community decides renaming would be best. ✗plicit 12:18, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- small problem I have a strong feeling that all Indonesian categories should be consistent across all Regencies or Provinces, whatever the topic - I havent looked or checked, but individual stand alone categories against the rest of Indonesian categories should be strongly discouraged. JarrahTree 12:23, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom and per WP:C2C. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:40, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Fiction fandom
edit- Propose merging Category:Fiction fandom to Category:Fandom
- Nominator's rationale: After removing some subcategories, I realize this category is kinda unnecessary, most things related to fandoms are associated with the fans of creative work(s) of fiction. A merge is highly recommended for how small this category has become is and why I believe it is unnecessary. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 03:37, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, it isn't so small that a merge would be necessary, it has no less than 10 subcategories. Besides I disagree with the first part of the rationale too, since sports fandom and music fandom are just as important. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:12, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose agree with Marcocapelle's comment. This has enough pages to be a category. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 13:12, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Film and video fandom
edit- Propose renaming Category:Film and video fandom to Category:Film fandom
- Nominator's rationale: Why is it titled film AND video fandom? Shouldn't it be simply titled "Film fandom"? We already have "category:television fandom" which doesn't have a messy name like this one. I'm also removing several things unrelated to film from this category in accordance to the proposed rename. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 03:26, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. (Though next time better wait with purging until after the discussion.) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:15, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Medical doctors from Rajahmundry
edit- Nominator's rationale: Only 1 entry. LibStar (talk) 01:36, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge, also to Category:People from Rajahmundry. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:18, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support dual merge as well. LibStar (talk) 06:29, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Medical doctors from Jharkhand
edit- Propose merging Category:Medical doctors from Jharkhand to Category:Indian medical doctors
- Nominator's rationale: Only contains 1 entry. LibStar (talk) 01:19, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge, also to Category:People from Jharkhand. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:22, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support dual merge as well. LibStar (talk) 06:29, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
November 19
editCategory:Gardening books
edit- Propose renaming Category:Gardening books to Category:Books about gardening
- Nominator's rationale: I suggest renaming to use 'about', per parent Category:Works about gardening. This variant is more clear. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:47, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: If there's no opposition this should be fine but let's give it one more pass first.
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Confederation of the Rhine
edit- Propose renaming Category:1806 in Germany to Category:1806 in the Confederation of the Rhine
- Propose renaming Category:1806 establishments in Germany to Category:1806 establishments in the Confederation of the Rhine
- Propose renaming Category:1806 disestablishments in Germany to Category:1806 disestablishments in the Confederation of the Rhine
- Propose renaming Category:1807 in Germany to Category:1807 in the Confederation of the Rhine
- Propose renaming Category:1807 establishments in Germany to Category:1807 establishments in the Confederation of the Rhine
- Propose renaming Category:1807 disestablishments in Germany to Category:1807 disestablishments in the Confederation of the Rhine
- Propose renaming Category:1808 in Germany to Category:1808 in the Confederation of the Rhine
- Propose renaming Category:1808 establishments in Germany to Category:1808 establishments in the Confederation of the Rhine
- Propose renaming Category:1808 disestablishments in Germany to Category:1808 disestablishments in the Confederation of the Rhine
- Propose renaming Category:1809 in Germany to Category:1809 in the Confederation of the Rhine
- Propose renaming Category:1809 establishments in Germany to Category:1809 establishments in the Confederation of the Rhine
- Propose renaming Category:1809 disestablishments in Germany to Category:1809 disestablishments in the Confederation of the Rhine
- Propose renaming Category:1810 in Germany to Category:1810 in the Confederation of the Rhine
- Propose renaming Category:1810 establishments in Germany to Category:1810 establishments in the Confederation of the Rhine
- Propose renaming Category:1810 disestablishments in Germany to Category:1810 disestablishments in the Confederation of the Rhine
- Propose renaming Category:1811 in Germany to Category:1811 in the Confederation of the Rhine
- Propose renaming Category:1811 establishments in Germany to Category:1811 establishments in the Confederation of the Rhine
- Propose renaming Category:1811 disestablishments in Germany to Category:1811 disestablishments in the Confederation of the Rhine
- Propose renaming Category:1812 in Germany to Category:1812 in the Confederation of the Rhine
- Propose renaming Category:1812 establishments in Germany to Category:1812 establishments in the Confederation of the Rhine
- Propose renaming Category:1812 disestablishments in Germany to Category:1812 disestablishments in the Confederation of the Rhine
- Propose renaming Category:1813 in Germany to Category:1813 in the Confederation of the Rhine
- Propose renaming Category:1813 establishments in Germany to Category:1813 establishments in the Confederation of the Rhine
- Propose renaming Category:1813 disestablishments in Germany to Category:1813 disestablishments in the Confederation of the Rhine
- Nominator's rationale: rename and purge, from 1806 to 1813 Germany was called Confederation of the Rhine but it did not include Austria and Prussia. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:36, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- If approved then redirect them all, to aid navigation. But I am not sure that precision is helpful for such short time spans. – Fayenatic London 21:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Redirecting is a good idea. We already have Category:Confederation of the Rhine so the proposal is consistent with that. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Large nomination; allowing extra time for objections.
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- Category:Confederation of the Rhine already contains all the nominated categories, so renaming will not change the parenting and, while technically correct, IMHO it would be unnecessary. – Fayenatic London 12:05, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Rename and purge with redirects per nom. It is a short timespan, but we should strive to be as accurate as possible. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:11, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist to gather more participation and resolve concerns about precision being unnecessary.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ThadeusOfNazereth(he/him)Talk to Me! 23:07, 19 November 2024 (UTC)- Support renaming, although we do also have categories like Category:1806 in Italy including events in all of modern-day Italy, even though the "Kingdom of Italy" was a much smaller construct by then. For Germany, we already have a separate "in Prussia" category, so it does make sense to restrict it to the Confederation of the Rhine, but I don't see it being a general rule either. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:22, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:20th-century explorers from the Russian Empire
edit- Nominator's rationale: Was opposed at speedy by
@Altenmann: by the creatora similarly named user, in spite of the fact that there is no other category in Category:20th-century Russian people by occupation that uses the Russian Empire naming convention SMasonGarrison 20:44, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose a valid subcategory of Category:Explorers from the Russian Empire <-- category:Explorers by former country. Not to say that "Russian explorers" is an ambiguous term, because in 20th century there were two thoroughly different Russian states: Russian Empire and Russia, wide apart in time. Not to say about RSFSR --Altenmann >talk 21:04, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Again, how does this address the fact that no other category in the Category:20th-century Russian people tree uses this convention? What makes the unambiguous Category:Russian explorers the exception? For the record, if this change stays, it's going to continue to not mesh with the rest of the Fooian occupation template headers. SMasonGarrison 02:26, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- This is because the templated/automated categorization is screwed up.
- There is a whole Category:19th-century people from the Russian Empire by occupation
- Therefore there must be Category:20th-century people from the Russian Empire by occupation
- And we have to add missing tree, not delete valid categories. on bureaucratric reasons. --Altenmann >talk 03:27, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Please wait until this CFD is settled. Your category creations are going to break the current version of the underlying template. Please be patient. There is a very long history of this category tree that only carved out two centuries for the Russian empire. Category:20th-century_people_from_the_Russian_Empire was merged and redirected into [4] Category:20th-century_Russian people_from_the_Russian_Empire by @Fayenatic london: and Category:20th-century Russian monarchs isn't Category:20th-century_Russian monarchs_from_the_Russian_Empire SMasonGarrison 04:05, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- So you are saying you created a faulty template and now trying to delete a category that does not fit it? How typical of software developer: "it is not a bug, it is a feature". --Altenmann >talk 18:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Please keep it civil. I've asked you to be patient, and even said that I'd modify the template if the category was kept. Insulting me, and saying that I shouldn't be editing in this area because of my profession is not in the spirit of wikipedia.SMasonGarrison 23:51, 8 November 2024 (UTC
- Because of your profession I was expecting you behave professionally, rather than revert warring on category you do not own. Good bye, do whatever you want, with cosmonauts placed in the category of Russian Empire. If you do not understand how idiotic it looks, I no longer wish to communicate with you. --Altenmann >talk 00:53, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Please keep it civil. I've asked you to be patient, and even said that I'd modify the template if the category was kept. Insulting me, and saying that I shouldn't be editing in this area because of my profession is not in the spirit of wikipedia.SMasonGarrison 23:51, 8 November 2024 (UTC
- So you are saying you created a faulty template and now trying to delete a category that does not fit it? How typical of software developer: "it is not a bug, it is a feature". --Altenmann >talk 18:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Please wait until this CFD is settled. Your category creations are going to break the current version of the underlying template. Please be patient. There is a very long history of this category tree that only carved out two centuries for the Russian empire. Category:20th-century_people_from_the_Russian_Empire was merged and redirected into [4] Category:20th-century_Russian people_from_the_Russian_Empire by @Fayenatic london: and Category:20th-century Russian monarchs isn't Category:20th-century_Russian monarchs_from_the_Russian_Empire SMasonGarrison 04:05, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Again, how does this address the fact that no other category in the Category:20th-century Russian people tree uses this convention? What makes the unambiguous Category:Russian explorers the exception? For the record, if this change stays, it's going to continue to not mesh with the rest of the Fooian occupation template headers. SMasonGarrison 02:26, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- If kept, heavily purge, these are mostly Soviet explorers. There is even an American explorer in this category, Carl von Hoffman. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:33, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Someone screwed up the contents of this category recently. Last time I looked it had only 8 entries. And now someone added Boris Andreyev (cosmonaut) into it (cosmonauts in the Russian Empire: alt-history sci-fi :-). --Altenmann >talk 18:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- "Someone" appears to be the nominator. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:26, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. I'm adding the relevant Russian pages per the concern raised at speedy about the contents. If the category is kept as currently named, I'd support purging. @Altenmann I think you need to review: WP:BATTLE, based on your comments on my talk page User talk:Smasongarrison#Please revert all some of your changes. SMasonGarrison 23:58, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- "Someone" appears to be the nominator. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:26, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Someone screwed up the contents of this category recently. Last time I looked it had only 8 entries. And now someone added Boris Andreyev (cosmonaut) into it (cosmonauts in the Russian Empire: alt-history sci-fi :-). --Altenmann >talk 18:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Rename as nominated. The category as named covers a very short period of time, from 1900 to 1917. Russian existed through the twentieth century because there was the RSFSR, and, during the Soviet period, Russian is a subcategory of Soviet . Robert McClenon (talk) 23:16, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Rename, earlier I was in doubt but I am convinced by McClenon's later rationale. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Puerto Rico Adjutant Generals
edit- Propose renaming Category:Puerto Rico Adjutant Generals to Category:Puerto Rico Adjutants General
- Nominator's rationale: Correct plural per Category:Adjutants general of the National Guard of the United States StAnselm (talk) 19:23, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Rename to Category:Adjutants General of Puerto Rico per all other subcategories of Category:Adjutants general of the National Guard of the United States. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:55, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Olympic football venues
edit- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCVENUE. Content is already better shared at List of Olympic venues in football. User:Namiba 15:11, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:22, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 21:56, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 21:57, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ministers for the Arts (Victoria)
edit- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn. Starting a new discussion addressing the broader issue of a number of subcategories within Category:Ministers of the Victoria (state) state government (non-admin closure) GMH Melbourne (talk) 07:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Ministries are the same portfolio just a different name. GMH Melbourne (talk) 03:30, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- I believe these typically follow the format of Category:Ministers for creative industries of Victoria, based on a number of similarly named categories at Category:Government ministers by country and MOS:JOBTITLES. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:38, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- If that's the case I'll probably start another discussion for a bulk rename for a number of sub catergories of Category:Ministers of the Victoria (state) state government after this merge is complete. GMH Melbourne (talk) 02:32, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Postmasters general of Australia
edit- Propose renaming Category:Postmasters general of Australia to Category:Postmasters-General of Australia
- Nominator's rationale: Correct capitalisation per Postmaster-General's Department article. StAnselm (talk) 02:32, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support: consistent with the corresponding article. GMH Melbourne (talk) 02:46, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Looking at the category's page history there seems to be a lot of going back and forth with the capitalision. GMH Melbourne (talk) 02:54, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Not back and forth, it was one-directional, the parent category has been moved too. The reasoning was, I think, that the article is about the office while the category is about people (I am not the best defender of this rename). I guess meanwhile most, if not all, similar categories are without capitalization as well, e.g. article Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and Category:Prime ministers of the United Kingdom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:24, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Procedural oppose, this requires a broader discussion, it doesn't make sense to only rename this particular category. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:32, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Why not? Category:Postmasters general includes offices from many countries, some of which use a hyphen, and some don't. (Of course, that category was moved twice speedily, without any discussion.) StAnselm (talk) 14:53, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- It's not about the hyphen but about the capitalization. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:21, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Well, the hyphen is important too. The rationale for moving the parent cat was "None of the 11 sub categories use a hyphen", but as far as I can tell that simply wasn't true - the hyphen for this category was removed three days later. Would you be OK with Category:Postmasters-general of Australia? StAnselm (talk) 18:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- That would be fine with me. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:03, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Well, the hyphen is important too. The rationale for moving the parent cat was "None of the 11 sub categories use a hyphen", but as far as I can tell that simply wasn't true - the hyphen for this category was removed three days later. Would you be OK with Category:Postmasters-general of Australia? StAnselm (talk) 18:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Why not? Category:Postmasters general includes offices from many countries, some of which use a hyphen, and some don't. (Of course, that category was moved twice speedily, without any discussion.) StAnselm (talk) 14:53, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose capitalization, per MOS:JOBTITLES. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:35, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I have started a discussion at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_November_21#Ministers_of_the_Victoria_state_government aiming to address the issue that exists with a number of similar categories. GMH Melbourne (talk) 07:32, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Birth control law and case law
edit- Propose splitting Category:Birth control law and case law to Category:Birth control law and Category:Birth control case law
- Nominator's rationale: I think we should split this becayuse typically case law is nested under law SMasonGarrison 01:13, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- There is only one article about a law in the category, do you really suggest making a separate category for it? I think just a rename to the less clunkier Category:Birth control law would suffice. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:38, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- The split would allow the categories to be more cleanly nested. The One child policy category wouldn't fall under birth control case law. Having both would make the parents cleaner, because Category:Reproductive rights case law is currently a parent. SMasonGarrison 02:13, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Category:Films acted by Puneeth Rajkumar
edit- Nominator's rationale: We don't create categories for actors unless they wrote, directed or produced. Kailash29792 (talk) 00:58, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:PERFCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:39, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
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