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Mount Merapi

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Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 1 Jul 2014 at 04:15:33 (UTC)

 
Original – A view of the peak of Mount Merapi in 2014, as seen from Umbulharjo; smoke can be seen coming from the crater (a minor eruption occurred less than a week after this image was taken).
Reason
High resolution, decent quality, useful image (lead in the article)
Articles in which this image appears
Mount Merapi
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Places/Landscapes
Creator
Chris Woodrich
  • Support as nominator –  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:15, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support . An exotic landscape that shows an interesting feature. and more landscape nominations would be nice... Hafspajen (talk) 13:46, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support - definitely valuable and quite a pretty scene, though I can't help but feel it's not quite as sharp and detailed as it could be. A couple minor distractions in the foreground include a metal stake and some kind of utility line. However, it's high-quality illustration of the volcano itself, and given the smoke it may even have some value as an illustration of volcanic eruptions in general. – Juliancolton | Talk 17:30, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Mount Merapi in 2014.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 04:56, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Madonna of the rocks

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Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 9 Jul 2014 at 11:10:09 (UTC)

 
Original – Now the picture is clearly iconic, hope the quality will be enough... or there is a possibility to get a better scan, if not.
Reason
Iconic picture of Leonardo da Vinci. Leonardo was an Italian Renaissance painter, sculptor, architect, musician, mathematician, engineer, inventor, anatomist, geologist, cartographer, botanist, and writer and who knows what more. He is considered to be one of the greatest painters of all time.
Articles in which this image appears
Virgin of the Rocks, Leonardo da Vinci and more
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Artwork/Paintings
Creator
Leonardo da Vinci
Sigh. Yes, I had my doubts - but it seems like big mistake of us not to have a decent file on Wikipedia of this masterpiece. Hafspajen (talk) 12:09, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that would be nice. It is really a shame not to have this one. Hafspajen (talk) 14:36, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
 
Commons valued image
Oh, the Russian site's version is on Commons. Looks like it's based on a photograph and not a scan (I think I see noise here) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:38, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If Crisco sees noises that's not good. (And the Russian on commons has the same problems on top, I guess it might be difficult to fix a circle like that). Hafspajen (talk) 16:34, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It's the same gallerix.ru image as this Commons valued image which reached its status on the basis of a single vote from the nominator. The image in turn seems to be a processed version of of this point-and-shoot Canon PowerShot photo. On Commons you are supposed to indicate digital restorations, but I can't see any indication offered. I'm pretty sure what's been done here far exceeds WP:FP?#8. I rate the whole things as roughly on a par of those cam versions of the latest blockbuster films you see uploaded to Usenet the day after their release, and I can't support it. Too iconic for me I'm afraid, though I agree it's not displeasing: its authenticity another matter. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 18:37, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it is a matter of personal taste, in this case. But things has to be seen in context in art history. Considering how people were drawing and painting before Leonardo, one has to be amazed how outstanding this man was. Nowadays one can take things for granted, because many painters learned the techniques and even made them exagerated, like in Manierism. But Leonardo Da Vinci can never be too iconic, that is just not possible. Leonardo da Vinci is one of the few people one can without any problem say that that man was a genius, because he was. As we are talking about this, I do admit that there are certain paintings that are blown up by the market, and don't have the value in the same way, like - some of the van Gogh or Picasso pictures, for example, yes. (And van Gogh has wonderfull, light blue and pink pictures, that nobody cares for ... because are not considered regular van Gogh's-style). But not Leonardo... And we should really try to get a decent file on Wikipedia of this masterpiece. Hafspajen (talk) 19:42, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Van Gogh blown up ... what heresy! But quite true of course. I had a look for images of the Louvre version of the Madonna of the Rocks and couldn't find any good ones. The Louvre doesn't allow flash photography, so any photograph would have to be taken in natural light. There are some Flickr versions, but they aren't very good and "all rights reserved" in any case. You can try Featuring the Coatzee bequest of the National Gallery version as restored a few minutes ago by yours truly :). Happy to support that. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 21:42, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Not Promoted --Armbrust The Homunculus 12:56, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Charles I

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Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 2 Jul 2014 at 14:04:42 (UTC)

 
Original – The painting was executed in 1635 or 1636, and it was a kind of a painted documentary, created as a reference work for the Italian sculptor Gian Lorenzo Bernini who sculpted a marble bust after this painting.[1] The colours of the costumes and pattern of the lace collars are different in each portrait, but the blue Order of the Garter is present in all three.
Reason
Oil painting of Charles I of England by Flemish artist Sir Anthony Van Dyck, showing the King from three viewpoints, profile, front and semi-profile. The painting is currently part of the Royal Collection of the British Royal Family.
Articles in which this image appears
Charles I in Three Positions, Charles I of England, History of England
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/People/Royalty and nobility
Creator
Sir Anthony Van Dyck

Promoted File:Sir Anthony Van Dyck - Charles I (1600-49) - Google Art Project.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 14:09, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Chex Mix

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Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 2 Jul 2014 at 14:25:29 (UTC)

 
Original – A pile of commercial Chex Mix, a snack mix of Chex cereal and various other snack foods
Reason
First thing I thought when I saw this: I'm hungry. Effective, well taken, well composed... and, surprisingly, with a Canon PowerShot! Wish mine could have done something like this.
Articles in which this image appears
Chex Mix +3
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Food and drink
Creator
Evan Amos

Not Promoted --Armbrust The Homunculus 14:33, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Charles II of England

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Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 3 Jul 2014 at 00:44:55 (UTC)

 
Original – A portrait in the Baroque style. John Michael Wright has acquired a considerable reputation as an artist and scholar during his lifetime. Painted around 1660 - 1665.
Reason
King of England painted by John Michael Wright (1617 – 1694)
Articles in which this image appears
Charles II of England, French migration to the United Kingdom, List of Canadian monarchs, and other Wikis
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/People/Royalty and nobility
Creator
John Michael Wright

Promoted File:King Charles II by John Michael Wright or studio.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 00:45, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Maratus volans

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Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 6 Jul 2014 at 15:01:42 (UTC)

 
Original – Male Maratus volans in courtship pose
Reason
Image is freely licensed, highly technically accurate, has a complete file description in English, and is the only image of a male peacock spider in its famous courtship pose available anywhere on Wikipedia or Commons that is not a reduced resolution JPEG photograph; as an SVG which has also been cleaned of all raster components, this image is unlimited by resolution.
Articles in which this image appears
Maratus
FP category for this image
WP:Featured pictures/Animals/Arachnids
Creator
KDS444
  • Comment - image is not used on Maratus volans - presumably it should replace the info box image there. --ThaddeusB (talk) 17:02, 26 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It looks good in the thumbnail but why do we have a rendering of it rather than a picture of the actual thing? --Muhammad(talk) 18:39, 26 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral It's beautiful, but per Muhammad. The fact it's resolution independent doesn't makes this a bigger image in the sense that the increased resolution brings actual data. I see a lot of use for SVG but not this (and I can see author makes a lot of other beautiful useful diagrams). And not to mention there's always rendering issues with SVG (slow in that case, never render the same on different combinations of hardware/software when complex shapes are drawn ...). - Blieusong (talk) 19:22, 26 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
 
And there are not enough pixels on this image either
In fact the nominator substituted their SVG file for a recently obtained photograph by the current world expert back in February, so this evidently fails FP?#5. I suggest we just turn a blind eye to that. How so, incidentally your remark that a photograph is preferable to a drawing? Can you point to policy, please so that I can move to change it? Quite the opposite should be the case of course, though each case should naturally be determined on its merits in case of conflict. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 03:29, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Diagrams and drawings are only used when something can't be illustrated otherwise. The reality is so complex that a diagram or drawing can never replace the real thing. One notable exception is a big artist making a drawing or painting on something - THAT has an artistic value, because he/she adds that something that is mostly rather hard to describe. But that something is the thing that makes a big artist differ from a street artist. And this is one of the kind of things one studies when studying art history, aesthetics and so on. It is not a simple policy, but more than that. Hundreds and thousands of books were written on this king of topics, and more will be written. Hafspajen (talk) 08:19, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hmhh.. well thanks for that. As example my case here's the photo illustrating Wild turkey and this is the Audubon print (Commons seems to have a complete collection of Birds of America from the University of Pittsburgh, part of the Zoomify bequest :) ; I trust one example at least of the bounty has made it to "Featured"). There's archaeological illustration as well one could give as example, though I don't doubt photography is making inroads there. I would still be curious to see policy. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 08:53, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
A historical collection, made 1825 - and arround - before the camera was used - and before we could take colour pictures. That justifies its encyclopedic value. Voting on this page is about aesthetic judgment, not policy. Polic is a simple thing. Policy says: picture should be used in article, they have to be used in at least two-three articles - preferably more, should be used at least for a week, it has to be in the article for at least 7 days before it can be nominated. The pixels has to be more than 1500, at least 1500px, but that is a minimum, the more the better - but preferably more, should have EV, - and - they have to be sharp, and of good quality. The rest is aesthetic judgment, and that one can't summarize that in a few words. This discussion is now long enough, if more questions, start a new thread at talk page. Hafspajen (talk) 09:08, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't referring to WP:FP? (and incidentally the criteria is that the image should appear in at least one article, not at least two-three as you aver)) but to Crisco's assertion that photos are preferred over drawings. Wikipedia doesn't have space constraints, so if you would like to squeeze in a brief pointer I should appreciate it, you seems to be knowledgeable. Regarding this image I was suggesting that in this case we overlook FP?#5. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 09:43, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Talk page, please. Hafspajen (talk) 10:31, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Anywhere you like, at a time and place of your choosing. I opt for urostomy pouches at 10 paces, no seconds. You should know my squirt is infallibly fatal. You might like to reconsider and withdraw. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 13:14, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Ohlalalala. Hafspajen (talk) 01:39, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, there is no current policy, but Hafs has already explained the rationale behind this: what we have here is an SVG depiction (an exceptionally well done SVG, I'll admit) of an animal that would be better and more accurately represented through photography. Unlike KDS' work with the ringworms, which are diagrams (and thus work better represented through illustrations), this is meant to show a whole animal - and just that. That the existing photograph is not as good as we'd like is not a reason to promote an illustration.
Yes, we could theoretically pass an Audubon plate (or even the whole set if somebody really wanted to clean them up), but I doubt they would pass as accurate illustrations of the animals, but rather based on their EV in depicting how Audubon depicted the animals, in an article on the plates (yes, last I checked there is one on just the plates) or book. If we could get a good scan of Dürer's Rhinoceros, that would probably pass too - as a depiction of Dürer's Rhinoceros. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:39, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'll pass on "better and more accurately represented" :). Thank you for confirming there is no policy. It would be frankly surprising if there was one such, given the long tradition of botanical illustration to name but just one area. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 12:42, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Addendum: Incidentally Dürer's Rhinoceros is illustrated in its featured article by an 8.6 Mb image from Christies last year (I do quite a few of these myself as it happens). I'll nominate it directly. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 12:53, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Good idea. Thanks for that. I'd really like to see the effort rewarded here, but I can see there are issues to address. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 19:16, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - beautiful illustration, but there are some anatomical details that need to be fixed if this is to be considered FP material:
    • Most of the legs have the wrong number of segments. In particular, the raised 3rd legs do not seem to have patellas.
    • It looks like the spider is standing on its claws rather than its foot pads. See [2] for spider foot diagrams and photos.
    • The black "brushes" on the 3rd metatarsi should be more prominent and bushy.
Kaldari (talk) 20:53, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Are the footpads visible on the photo? In your featured image (seriously just curious, it may be your species doesn't have them - but then you did say "spider" didn't you)? @KDS444: plainly we need to ping the nominator about this. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 23:11, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the foot pads are visible in both of those photos. They are the small black areas at the ends of each leg. You can see lots more foot pad photos in this paper. It looks like there may be small foot pads in KDS444's illustration, but it appears that the spider is standing on its claws rather its foot pads. Kaldari (talk) 00:31, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well, that's what I thought, not that I'm an expert by any means. Still it's wonderful someone like you taking an interest. Thank you so much. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 01:38, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Kaldari for your opinion on the picture. I know by experience that when drawing or picturing something almost all people tend to simplify things. Who knows why... But it is the way it is. Hafspajen (talk) 01:57, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would like to simply withdraw my nomination at this point. I don't see a straightforward procedure for this as there is on Commons, so I am adding the request as just a statement. We can end the discussion now. Thank you all for your valuable opinions. KDS4444Talk 11:12, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(Note that nominator and creator are the same individual: KDS4444=KDS444.)


Not Promoted -- — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:28, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Cathedral (Katedrála)

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Original – The Cathedral is an abstract painting created by Czech artist František Kupka in 1912-1913. The medium is oil on canvas, and the painting’s dimensions are 180 x 150 cm. The painting is a part of the permanent Jan and Meda Mládek collection of Museum Kampa in Prague, Czech Republic.
Reason
High quality scan of a notable painting. Just don't open it in your browser.
Articles in which this image appears
The Cathedral (Katedrála) +2
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Artwork/Paintings
Creator
František Kupka

Promoted File:František Kupka - Katedrála - Google Art Project.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 04:35, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Fanny Bullock Workman

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Original – Fanny Bullock Workman, geographer, travel writer, mountaineer, cyclist, and suffragette.
Reason
It's decent resolution, and for a print from the time - we often go with images from negatives - it's not bad. Fanny Bullock Workman was one of Adrianne Wadewitz's last articles, and, well, I want it to be as good as it would have been had she finished. It's not hard to see why she attracted Adrianne, someone who loved the 18th-century travel writings of Wollstonecraft, who had taken up rock climbing recently, and who was a feminist to her core.
Articles in which this image appears
Fanny Bullock Workman
FP category for this image
You could make a case for a lot of subcategories of "People", but, given she was a travel writer, I think Wikipedia:Featured pictures/People/Artists and writers would be least surprising.
Creator
Maull & Fox, restoration by Adam Cuerden

Promoted File:Maull & Fox - Fanny Bullock Workman.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 04:38, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Blenduk Church

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Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 6 Jul 2014 at 02:05:46 (UTC)

 
Original – The Immanuel Protestant Church of Western Indonesia, better known as Blenduk Church, is a Protestant church in Semarang, Central Java, Indonesia. Built in 1753, it is the oldest church in the province.
Reason
I hear people are getting bored of temples, and that many are unaware that Indonesia has notable churches, so I present to you a 90 megapixel image of Blenduk Church, in Semarang... the oldest church in Central Java. Sharp, good quality, and very encyclopedic. Note that this angle was deliberate, allowing me to include the name of the church (the text on the facade) as well as most of the dome. Moving back would have caused several trees to enter the frame and start blocking the dome (visible here), so I didn't do that
Articles in which this image appears
Blenduk Church, List of church buildings in Indonesia, Semarang
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Places/Architecture
Creator
Chris Woodrich
  • Re: the Borobudur image: Gunkarta does some good photography, but I've been replacing his images with better ones where possible (Gunkarta, Me). The Indonesian Wikipedia's standards are somewhat lax; they accepted this on the main page (I've got a better version coming up, once I stitch it). Although I know what you mean, and agree that would make this even better, the "genuine highlights" are in the wrong spot this time of year; the church faces south, and the sunrise is to the north-east. It would be better around October, but that's usually when the rainy season starts (and thus very touch and go for travel by motorcycle). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:13, 26 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, your Kalasan image was excellent and I wouldn't have rated the Semarang image as "featured" you mention either, though of course it's nevertheless very welcome. Just griping really because I only have entry-level gear myself and don't think there's much chance of my getting a featured pic in. There are truly wonderful images being uploaded to Wikipedia, for example the Pont du Gard below. Keep up the good work! Coat of Many Colours (talk) 12:04, 26 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Exterior of Blenduk Church, Semarang, 2014-06-18.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 04:53, 6 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



A Young Girl Reading

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Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 7 Jul 2014 at 09:27:16 (UTC)

 
Original – The painting is characterized by the Rococo's intimate scale and a rich, intense and deep color.
Reason
Jean-Honoré Fragonard was a French painter, whose late Rococo manner was distinguished by remarkable facility, exuberance and hedonism. His paintings were meant to evoke emotion and passion instead of the calm rationality that had been prized during the Renaissance. He used more lighthearted, playful and witty themes but also tension, exuberance, and intricate designs in his paintings - an intimate scale, rather than the imposing Baroque presenting it. Among his most popular works are genre paintings conveying an atmosphere of intimacy.
Articles in which this image appears
A Young Girl Reading, Jean-Honoré Fragonard and more.
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Artwork/Paintings
Creator
Jean-Honoré Fragonard
I'll check. Hafspajen (talk) 13:31, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think that it is correct, but I am not 100 % sure HOW proeminent they are. But the blue lights (or shadows) are there on almost all reproductions. This tells us citation: He painted these very quickly—in an hour, according to friends—using bold, energetic strokes. ... Fragonard explored the point at which a simple trace of paint becomes a recognizable form, dissolving academic distinctions between a sketch and finished painting. Interesting, using blue complementary colours as shadows like this. This will generally come much later - Monet was a great master of this. But it is not a general Rococo style, no, it is something that Fragonard uses - my guess would be - might have learned from Rubens (1577–1640), who was among the first to use this kind of fast, flowing brush technique, like here-> File:Peter Paul Rubens and workshop 001 colour version 01.jpg and Fragonard (1732-1806) was born around hundred years after Rubens died. Hafspajen (talk) 14:08, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It actually looks the same, the surface - it looks like in this picture. Hafspajen (talk) 23:04, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well yes, but it would still be nice to have it at the mark. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 23:54, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Amandajm, you remember any other painter from art history from this timeperiod, using shadows and brushwork like this? Hafspajen (talk) 11:51, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Fragonard, The Reader.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 09:46, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Wakatobi flowerpecker

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Voting period is over. Please don't add any new votes. Voting period ends on 28 Jun 2014 at 16:20:09 (UTC)

 
Original – A comparison of plumage characteristics between Grey-sided flowerpeckers (Dicaeum celebicum) from mainland Sulawesi (left) and Wakatobi flowerpeckers (Dicaeum kuehni) from the Wakatobi archipelago (right). Male flowerpeckers are on the top and females on the bottom.
 
Alt1 – Images are now all the same size & better aligned
 
Alt2 – Swicthed rows to columns
Reason
This is my first FP nomination, so hopefully I get this right... I am nominating this picture for FP status as I feel it has exceptionally high EV and also is of good technical quality. The picture clearly shows the difference between two closely related bird species (who historically were thought of as subspecies) in a way that text alone can't.
Articles in which this image appears
Wakatobi flowerpecker, Grey-sided flowerpecker
FP category for this image
birds
Creator
Sean Kelly, David Kelly, Natalie Cooper, Bahrun Andi, Kangkuso Analuddin, Nicola Marples
  • Comment I don't like this kind of multiple pictures. Visually, it is basically the same type of image four times. And if splitting this into individual images I could imagine supporting some of them, then but not all. Hafspajen (talk) 13:22, 20 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Considering what the images are doing (comparing the two sexes of two species) we can't exactly cut back on the number of images and still have the same encyclopedic value. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:02, 20 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sigh, I got that too. Two males and two females. But the background is different, and the pictures are way too different. If I was the one using them, I would at least put the male and the female beside each other not below. Also, I would separate them, 2+2. Not 4 photos in the same picture but 2. And then 2 more. Too many different backgrounds and to many different fingers on top of each other. It is too much. Hafspajen (talk) 16:41, 20 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Adam Cuerden (talk) 18:30, 20 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – If you look at the full size image, you can clearly see that the four photos do not have even sizes and are not exactly aligned, which could easily be fixed. – Editør (talk) 19:59, 20 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    @Editør: It looks like the top row is +/- 1510px while the bottom is +/- 1550, so you are correct they are a bit different. The column widths are also very slightly different ~1580px vs. ~1590px. I assume this is what you are referring to as opposed to the image scale. (The species are slightly different sized and of course there is some sexual dimorphism, so I am very hesitant to change the scale unless you have a suggestion as to how to ensure the scale is correct - visually it looks correct to me.) As to alignment, do you suggest aligning the bottom of the birds? --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:39, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    I suggest that the square images are cropped to the same size and then positioned with even spaces between them. – Editør (talk) 10:12, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The source link is directing me to an image; not to an image source page where I can see license and author info. I see CC BY-2.5 and CC BY-4.0 on the file page in Commons; but plos says all of their works are licensed with CC BY-3.0 Jee 07:42, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It is still the way it is assembled, that makes the problem - visually, I mean. The visual balance. The sky for example is in the middle of the picture. The dark birds are on the top, it makes it top heavy. If you could at least put the male and female Grey-sided flowerpeckers (Dicaeum celebicum) beside each other, on top row, and Dicaeum kuehni, beside, under, starting with the males. Hafspajen (talk) 14:44, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I still prefer ALT1 - Peripitus (Talk) 23:00, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
1I was opposing ALT1 but support ALT 2. Hafspajen (talk) 23:56, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
2 Preference for ALT1, but support any which get this to pass. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:51, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
3 I'm fine with either. Adam Cuerden (talk) 07:12, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
4 Just in case its not clear, either alt is fine by me. --ThaddeusB (talk) 13:32, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
5 Support any. Jee 02:46, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Editør has declined to comment further, so I guess this should be closed one way or another based on the existing comments. --ThaddeusB (talk) 14:05, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Counting votes for Alt 2 or any. 5. Unless Peripitus opposes ALT 2 and Prefers Alt 1... Because then it is checkmate. Hafspajen (talk) 14:44, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1 would be 6 support, 1 oppose --ThaddeusB (talk) 16:17, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well, then it is checkmate. Let the wise promote. Hafspajen (talk) 16:42, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone specify what "further input" is needed? Alt1 has 6 support, 1 oppose; Alt2 has 5 support, 0 oppose. One support for both preferred alt1; others who supported both had no preference. It seems to be that either alt has enough support to promote - is that the problem? (I.E. no clear decision on which is preferred, but both have enough support.) --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:50, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Dicaeum celebicum compared to Dicaeum kuehni (vertical).jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 12:51, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Dürer's Rhinoceros

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Original – Dürer's Rhinoceros is the name commonly given to a woodcut executed by German painter and printmaker Albrecht Dürer in 1515.
Reason
Iconic image illustrating a Featured Article
Articles in which this image appears
Dürer's Rhinoceros
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Artwork/Others
Creator
Albrecht Dürer, uploaded by Scewing
  • Support as nominator – Coat of Many Colours (talk) 13:05, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional support - This is a very nice scan, and I can accept the (horrid! monstrous! scandalous!) cutting of the border which happened sometime in this copy's past (clearly wasn't the uploader). However, owing to technical limitations (JPGs are sharpened when thumbnailed, PNGs aren't) I think that a JPG version of this file should be used and promoted. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:21, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Also, best category is probably Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Artwork/Others, as this has its EV from its use in an article on an artwork. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:25, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
OK. I'll go back to the original Christie's file and see what that does by way of cropping. I can upload a JPG, but is that allowed or should I be creating a new file? Perhaps you could let me know. Of course you're right about the category, and I changed that. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 13:32, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, it's not a digital crop. Take a look at the borders (at full size; the white edges are not visible at thumb); they aren't straight, as they would be with a digital crop. It's clear that the paper was cut by someone, at some point in time, but I doubt we'd ever find out. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:36, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, that's right. I've now downloaded a slightly higher resolution picture and saved it as a JPG. Let me know what to do with it. I think overwriting is safe? When you use these special scripts they give you a PNG file to begin with (and the original uploader only opted for the medium resolution vrsion for some reason). In fact I'll just go ahead and do it. Let me know if you want me to undo and do something else. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 13:44, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ah, I can't overwrite a different file type. I'll do a fresh upload and link here accordingly (and relink the FA file, which should be OK since it's a better file). But I can't do this right now, perhaps this evening, because I like to write up a fair Commons description and it takes a while. I'll let you know when it's up. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 14:05, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
And done. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:29, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Great! Thanks for that. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 18:33, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support: pity about its toenails being cropped out and AD's monogram being poorly printed/damaged. I looked at the Christies original. I doubt if we'll get a better image than this one. Amandajm (talk) 08:49, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It's been cropped just inside the bottom border. None of the rhino itself has been lost. Compare British Museum image here. I do rather agree with you. It's a great pity it was cropped like that. I've added Christie's lot description to the Commons file describing the crop. The British Museum image unfortunately isn't available as an anonymous bequest image, not unless anyone here fancies fancies commissioning new photography, a snip at £60 (can't help sorry, planning on bringing home a Bacon tomorrow and may be a bit short for the month, prolly I'll have to sell Google or something).

Not Promoted --Armbrust The Homunculus 13:06, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Flying gurnard

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Original – A flying gurnard (Dactylopterus volitans) in the Mediterranean east of Crete, Greece, approx. depth of 3–5 m (10–16 ft).
Reason
High resolution, good quality for the age... in almost ten years we haven't gotten anything better. Hafs showed this to me, and I was wowed.
Articles in which this image appears
Flying gurnard +4
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Animals/Fish
Creator
Beckmannjan

Promoted File:Flughahn.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 13:12, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



United States Notes ("Greenback") set

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Reason
High quality, high EV (presented as a complete denominational set).
United States Greenbacks, so called because of the green ink used on the back of the notes, were authorized by Congress in three issues between 1862 and 1863. During that time, the wording of the payment obligation was altered creating additional varieties of the notes. The present set, $1 to $1,000, contains high grade examples of the somewhat more available lower-denomination notes as well as some extremely rare ($100 and $500) and unique ($50 and $1,000) varieties in the higher denominations.

Original – A nine-note complete denominational set of United States "Greenbacks", Series 1862–63.

Articles in which these images appear
Greenback (money) (all), one each in United States one-dollar bill, United States two-dollar bill, United States five-dollar bill, United States ten-dollar bill, United States twenty-dollar bill, United States fifty-dollar bill, United States one hundred-dollar bill, Large denominations of United States currency
FP category for this image
Currency
Creator
Both the American and Continental Banknote Companies under contract to the United States Department of the Treasury, as well as the U.S. Department of the Treasury itself.
From the National Numismatic Collection, NMAH, Smithsonian Institution.
Images by Godot13.


Promoted File:US-$1-LT-1862-Fr-16c.jpg Armbrust The Homunculus 15:16, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted File:US-$2-LT-1862-Fr-41.jpg Armbrust The Homunculus 15:16, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted File:US-$5-LT-1862-Fr-61a.jpg Armbrust The Homunculus 15:16, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted File:US-$10-LT-1863-Fr-95b.jpg Armbrust The Homunculus 15:16, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted File:US-$20-LT-1863-Fr-126b.jpg Armbrust The Homunculus 15:16, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted File:US-$50-LT-1862-Fr-148a.jpg Armbrust The Homunculus 15:16, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted File:US-$100-LT-1863-Fr-167.jpg Armbrust The Homunculus 15:16, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted File:US-$500-LT-1863-Fr-183c.jpg Armbrust The Homunculus 15:16, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted File:US-$1000-LT-1863-Fr-186e.jpg Armbrust The Homunculus 15:16, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Three Temples at Sam Poo Kong

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Original – Right to left: Tho Tee Kong Temple (Dewa Bumi Temple), Kyai Juru Mudi Temple, and the main temple at Sam Poo Kong, a Chinese temple complex in Semarang.
Reason
High quality and resolution. We don't have much Chinese-style architecture featured.
Articles in which this image appears
Sam Poo Kong
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Places/Architecture
Creator
Chris Woodrich

Promoted File:Three Temples at Sam Poo Kong, 2014-06-18.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 17:08, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Prothonotary Warbler (Audubon)

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Original – Painting of Prothonotary Warbler by John James Audubon
 
Before processing
 
After processing
 
Painting of Ivory-billed Woodpecker by John James Audubon (Duke of Portland's edition in near mint condition)
 
Pseudo detoned image (half size)
Reason
This image has both historical and encyclopedic interest, being an Audubon engraving. The resolution is excellent, extending to individual marks of the engraver.
Articles in which this image appears
The Birds of America, Prothonotary warbler
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Artwork/Others
Creator
Mturtle
I've been trying to get a better threshold mask. The problem is that the underbelly of the lower birds and the wings of the upper bird are in part painted in the same colour as the background, so that you're confronted with some quite delicate repainting. As for that background tone there's no prospect of recovering the original and I can't find a reference image on the web. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 21:05, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • The foxing has been removed. What remains might well be an artefact of inking (I mean I don't know). You're examining it at a very high magnification to notice it. In any case what part of WP:FP? says every little bit should be clean? Note there is some license granted for historical images. I should be very sorry to see the text go over a little shadow. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 20:56, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I'm not sure that every bit should or needs to be clean (in fact the background looks artificially clean, no texture of any kind) but the restoration of the image should be consistent. Some places have been cleaned, others remain original. There is at least one area in the design where the restorer has made a few hesitant strokes to clean, but then abandoned the area (directly underneath the upper bird's leg). It's a very nice image, but the restoration is not finished, in my opinion...--Godot13 (talk) 23:01, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at the numerous image uploaded, I would say that the background was entirely "clean" (I mean many of these images are mark resolved, so one can clearly discern toning artefacts), and that's confirmed by facsimiles such as this. I can see what you mean by the hesitant strokes. As far as I know you can't deal with foxing (toning) in even very sophisticated image processing suites (perhaps Crisco can confirm?) You just have to get in there with a rubber (as Juliet remarked to Romeo) and WP:FP? does make a concession here: "Exceptions to this rule may be made for historical or otherwise unique images. If it is considered impossible to find a technically superior image of a given subject, lower quality may sometimes be allowed". Coat of Many Colours (talk) 23:47, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Please don't get me wrong (as you are preaching to the choir regarding an understanding for historical or unique images). There are cases for no restoration, there are cases for light restoration, and there are sometimes cases for heavy restoration. This however, in my opinion only, is incomplete restoration. That doesn't take away from the value of the image, but it does make it much more difficult to become featured.--Godot13 (talk) 00:17, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely not and there you go! Coat of Many Colours (talk) 00:36, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  • The "restorer" has ignored the fact that the paper on which the image was printed was not white, and the paper on which the image was created would not have been stark white either. This shows a blatant disregard for the intentions of the artist who would have taken the colour of the paper on which the artwork was created into account.
  • The subtle shading of blue and green has been diminished so that the areas that in the "unrestored" version are slightly iridescent, in the so-called "restored" version have lost their sheen.
  • The loss of detail to the borders of the individual feathers of the wing are clearly apparent from these two details.
My recommendation is that the colour of the background is restored to the image, (and by "restored" I don't mean "removed") and that the worst spotting and damage is cleaned up, and possibly the background lightened a little in tone to counteract the effect of aging, but with the integrity of the work maintained. Amandajm (talk) 08:36, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
First of all I have to defer to your expertise about background colour (see also my further remarks below). I have no idea what the prints originally looked like and assumed the restorer knew what they were about. I did look at this virtual presentation of an edition and they simply looked foxed to me (the whole page). As I mention above there was an earlier image that made it to "Featured". That too has a white background (whereas the original has a mustard yellow background) and the issue wasn't raised at its discussion. Finally facsimiles such as this confirm a white background.
But that is all justification after the fact. I readily confess I just assumed the paper was white without thinking about it. Whoops. But the whole set tinted mustard yellow? It does sound slightly implausible to me. On the other hand this Christies set does indeed have tinted backgrounds.
Obviously if the community can't reconcile itself this time round to a white background, then we can't feature it. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 11:07, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm tempted to rerestore from the original. Adam Cuerden (talk) 07:22, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Since I initiated all this I suppose I ought to offer, but the fact is I haven't the faintest idea how to go about it. Looking at the original featured image, the cleaning seems to have been carried out at pixel level. I saw a web source about a tecnical process for removing foxing using a technique called inpainting here. I've withdrawn my nomination for this image incidentally. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 08:39, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Been researching these editions. One modern facsimile, the Openheimer Field Edition does indeed use white backgounds. The Commons category contains a complete collection of prints from the University of Pittsburgh edition. That is an example of the original Havell edition. These engravings were aquatints (explaining the speckling Kaldari noticed above and which puzzled me - incidentally Mary Cassatt was a master of the coloured aquatint - this is one of hers I uploaded to Commons) which were then hand painted with water color. Comparing the examples on the Audubon Society pages with the Pittsburg edition, you can see that the Pittsburg edition is very heavily toned and that it would be quite impossible to restore the original aquatint wash, thus our restorer's (I think we can bin the two-finger quotes in the circumstances) decision I expect to provide a white background on her restoration. The Christie's set I mention from the Duke of Portland is much better but they aren't reproduced on their site (after dezoomifying I mean) in such high resolution, but it should be possible to recover the aquatint tone from their reproductions. I will upload at least the Prothonotary Warbler image into a Duke of Portland subcategory on the Commons page should anyone like to have a go. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 11:25, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Prothonotary Warbler isn't among the 40 or so Christie's images. I'll upload the version of the featured image mentioned above. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 12:33, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Done (thumbnailed) Coat of Many Colours (talk) 20:40, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Kaldari:, @Amandajm: I've uploaded a pseudo detone image for the Ivory-Billed Woodpecker (thumbnailed), complete with the naive Mathematica algorithm I used. It's only half-size because I've only got my laptop with me and it doesn't have enough memory for the full-size. I'll upload the Prothonotary Warbler later. Might be useful, but I shan't nominate it for "Featured". Coat of Many Colours (talk) 19:14, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Coat of Many Colours: Defoxing isn't something that can be properly done by algorithm, IMO. It requires careful work in the 'levels' and 'hue/saturation' interfaces in Photoshop. In particular, you want to completely remove ("dodge") the range of tones that comprise the page color without negatively affecting the tones in the artwork. Sometimes this isn't even possible, but Photoshop definitely makes it easier. Sometimes you can get a pretty clean de-foxing just by using the input levels graph in the levels interface and the set whitepoint tool. You'll almost always need to do some manual clean-up afterwards though. Kaldari (talk) 23:32, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I should mention that I can notice the artifacts of the incomplete defoxing of the warblers image even at thumbnail size. If it isn't noticeable to you, you may have your monitor contrast too high. Kaldari (talk) 23:35, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I'm sure that's right (and I do make that clear on the Commons page). However I'm frankly surprised that this naive algorithm does so well and I'm planning some tweaks based on Mathematica's HistogramTransform function (taking the virtually pristine Duke of Portland's edition as a reference work, but I'm constrained by RAM limitations). I think it's worth persisting because it's very unlikely high resolution images of the Audubon engravings other than the Pittsburg ones, sadly toned in my opinion, will become available. But I shan't maintain the debate here. Thanks for your comments. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 23:49, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not Promoted -- — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:46, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Berthe Morisot With a Bouquet of Violets

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Original – Édouard Manet's famous portrait of Berthe Morisot. Image by RMN-Grand Palais (Musée d'Orsay) / Hervé Lewandowski (museum page)
Reason
Édouard Manet's famous portrait of Berthe Morisot
Articles in which this image appears
Édouard Manet, Berthe Morisot, Black, List of paintings by Édouard Manet
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Artwork/Paintings
Creator
Édouard Manet

Promoted File:Edouard Manet - Berthe Morisot With a Bouquet of Violets - Google Art Project.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 07:37, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



The Angelus

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Original – Jean-François Millet's The Angelus. Image by RMN-Grand Palais (Musée d'Orsay) / Hervé Lewandowski (museum page)
 
Original ALT 1
Reason
Jean-François Millet's famous painting The Angelus
Articles in which this image appears
The Angelus (painting), Jean-François Millet, Droit de suite, Martinus Sieveking
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Artwork/Paintings
Creator
Jean-François Millet
Not sure what to do with "Creator" now: the template says "the creator of the image, where possible using the format wikiuser" Done anyway.
  • Comment: This is a very dark version. In order to see it t something like its real tonality, I have to up the brightness of my monitor to the max. I would like to see the overall brightness increased to a point where it looks right at a setting that is closer to medium. Amandajm (talk) 08:01, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Looks fine on my monitor, but these LED monitors nowadays are a real nuisance. I have mine tilted towards me (I really can't be getting on with vertical) but that means I have to stand to get a proper look at images. Regarding brightness I was looking at the most linked version of Van Gogh's The Potato Eaters this morning. That's been brightened to a quite unacceptable level, to the point I'm not prepared to nominate it for "Featured". It's quite inauthentic in my opinion. This one (Angelus I mean) is the museum image. I shouldn't want to tinker with it. Wikiart's verion, for example, is a travesty. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 09:58, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Nice picture, but one has to think of visibility. I might support if brighter -lighter version can be proposed, - e.g. an alt - if possible. Add one, but not sure about that either, that one - the other scan we have on commons - it is of a weird reddish colour. Here is someting in between.. Hafspajen (talk) 12:08, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
SmartHistory has a video shot in natural light here. You can see the colour values are the same, but the lighting is a little warmer. Colour temperature (i.e. whether the painting was viewed on bright sunny day or on a dull day - the D'Orsay has overhead vaulting letting in the light) is not something you can adjust in a JPG as far as I know. Crisco would know more about that than me. On the other hand if you start fiddling with the brightness control all you get is a washed out image because, like The Potato Eaters, this is an image which is supposed to be dark - it's a representation of evening prayer in the fields - and in particular the faces are in shadow. I can only repeat for myself I have no problem with the image. Of course it's for community consensus. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 14:19, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well yes, but if you start doing that here you do end up with something along the lines of the hopelessly orange Wikiart Alt1. But it's true one can be overly respectful, and it's just a fact of life that art images vary very widely in fidelity. It's when you start tinkering with the museum image that I begin to feel uncomfortable. Nevertheless the Van Gogh image above I think probably does need warming. I shall look the other way ... :). Coat of Many Colours (talk) 14:53, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • :) Yes, well the Van Gogh image is very strange. I was tinkering with it earlier on in my image processor using Lch space, and I coudn't do anything with it. The blues are too light I think. Strange. The National Gallery charges serious money for their digital images ... Coat of Many Colours (talk) 17:19, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Mmmm. Hafspajen (talk) 17:36, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not Promoted --Armbrust The Homunculus 07:50, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Temple of Caitanya Mahaprabhu in Mayapur

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Original – Temple of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu at his birthplace (Yogapith) in Mayapur (West Bengal). Established in 1880s by Bhaktivinoda Thakur.
Reason
The image is of good quality and resolution. It has high EV as it adds significantly to a number of key articles on Gaudiya Vaishnavism, being a photograph of its founder Chaitanya Mahaprabhu's birthplace. It also arguably has decent composition and aesthetic value.
Articles in which this image appears
Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, Bhaktivinoda Thakur, Mayapur, Nabadwip, Nadia district
FP category for this image
Religion and mythology
Creator
Cinosaur
Diliff, it was difficult to get any closer to the object because of the pond, and the kind of equipment used did not allow for a better image quality. (I wish you were there with your awesome cameras and skills.) As for retouching the image, thanks for the try. It's hard for my layman eye to detect any "before and after" changes without a guided side-by-side comparison, but as you said it didn't visibly do away with any detail of the original and it does appear slightly sharper now. And yes, the conspicuous lack of good (what to speak of featured) India-themed images on Wikipedia was my main incentive in nominating this one – which hopefully will be factored in by its reviewers. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 16:29, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No problem, I understand that not everyone can (or should) shoot everything with professional camera equipment and yes, I think the inherent lack of quality imagery of certain regions is taken into consideration, but ultimately the project's goal is to feature the best that Wikipedia can offer. As for comparing the before and after, it's just a matter of opening the two images in different browser tabs and then switching back and forth. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 16:47, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Diliff, I can see that the image is less grainy now and the colors appear to be marginally more solid. So I am happy with the retouched version. Many thanks. Cinosaur (talk) 17:04, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your comment, Redtigerxyz. I invited you and a few other editors actively involved with India-themed topics to comment on the nomination as those who might be in a better position to assess its EV. Regards, Cinosaur (talk) 07:08, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Yogapith, Mayapur.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 09:31, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Vase with Fifteen Sunflowers

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Original – Vincent van Gogh, Vase with Fifteen Sunflowers, National Gallery, London. Image by National Gallery (museum page)
 
Proposed new candidate fresh nomination - Vincent van Gogh, Fifteen Sunflowers, F458 at the Van Gogh Museum (museum page), image by National Gallery, London (2014 exhibition)
 
Detail from proposed new candidate
Reason
The version of Vincent van Gogh's iconic Sunflowers at the National Gallery. London
Articles in which this image appears
Sunflowers (Van Gogh series), National Gallery, Décoration for the Yellow House
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Artwork/Paintings
Creator
Vincent van Gogh
  • Yes, that's quite true, and that also struck me forcefully when I fist saw this reproduction (it's the National Gallery's image) early last year. But I had just done London and haven't been back since, so I can't check. Part of the problem is this damned LED thing again I'm sure, but it does strike me as lacking saturation. I have Martin Bailey's recent book on the Sunflowers back at home and the illustration there is much more orange. I do think the image needs some expert attention, but I don't have the skills and in any case I don't have any visual memory of it. Perhaps the nomination just shouldn't be supported. I would understand that. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 14:34, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think that the one you showed is very different in colours and stucture from this. Or it is only a better copy. Hafspajen (talk) 23:53, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Blieusong:: Very grateful to Blieusong for pointing this out. I know the VGM version well and their image is much more faithful (the pale blue of the signture in the VGM is authentic for example, whereas in the National Gallery version it is not - it should be maroon). There are two good possibilities for the VGM version, a Google Art Project version which has an overly bright background and disappointing resolution, and a drop dead gorgeous ultra-high resolution version thumbnailed right, which curiously seems to come from the National Gallery, London as well, the subject of an exhibition earlier this year.
What I'll do is close this nomination for the NG version when the seven days are up as unsuccessful and nominate the VGM version instead. At least that's my plan barring sudden support for the NG original version, but I do agree the NG original version is very problematic . Thanks to Hafs his input. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 07:51, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Reflecting on it, I wonder whether the photographer of the National Gallery version was trying to compensate for the known instability of Chrome Yellow (the cheap yellow Van Gogh used after 1886). Doesn't get my vote if she was.Coat of Many Colours (talk) 08:08, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Vincent van Gogh - Sunflowers - VGM F458.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 09:39, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Three Beauties of the Present Day

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Original – Date about 1793 Utamaro, considered by many to be the greatest of the Ukiyo-e artists, is famous for his clear, precise and elegant drawings. This copy shows: (citation) the courtesans Ohisa and Okita and the singer Toyohina in a pyramidal formation. This pyramidal formation was an innovation of Utamaro's which was frequently copied by later ukiyo-e artists. Utamaro brought to the genre of figure prints a new ideal of feminine beauty. His drawings has influencer both Monet and Van Gogh developing a new style. The composition is unusual, and it is correct, it is cut of like this.
Reason
Kitagawa Utamaro (1753 – 1806) was a Japanese woodblock print (ukiyo-e) artist. Utamaro is famous for his portraits of feminine beauties, his close-up portraits of beautiful women marked an epoch in the evolution of the Japanese print called bijin-ga (pictures of beautiful women), that is depicting feminine beauty in the Japanese art history. Utamaro is one of the very best representant of this genre.
Articles
Utamaro, Ukiyo-e, Portrait painting and 45 other articles on different Wikis.
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Artwork/East Asian art
Creator
Kitagawa Utamaro


  • Comment - Needs categories on Commons (easily fixed). This might have EV in the article on Bijin-ga as well. Minor nitpicks, really. This is easily worth a support (blur is understandable, since the original object isn't even 40cm on its longest side yet this was scanned at 8k pixels). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:05, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Coat of Many Colours: That whole "packing material" meme is way exaggerated. Hokusai's Manga had been used as packing material by Félix Bracquemond's printer, and Monet may have found some prints in Holland that were used as wrapping paper. The pigments and apper are susceptible to degradation---compare an original to one of the Adachi reprints and see what a difference there is---you can see the clouds in the background of The Great Wave! Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 13:52, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - The other featured Utamaro is different, a single woman, but this print is using three women as a triangle , and it is a specific composition and a significant work of Utamaro. This composition was invented by Utamaro, and widely copied. And if you look at the category Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Artwork/East Asian art, there is no such picture there, actually Bijin-ga is rather poorly represented among our Featured Pictures of East Asian art, weird enough, considering that representing feminine beauty (Bijin-ga) how significant part is of the famous Ukiyo-e Japanese prints. As for the print, old prints lok like this. Hafspajen (talk) 10:57, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
 
An East Asian art FP - Old prints look like this
  • @Hafspajen: I presume this is a response to my comment further up, not to it being purplish? Because I'm not quite convinced that hand-made paper tends towards purple most of the time, and most Ukiyo-es I've seen tend to age yellow. Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:28, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't know Adam. It could be the paper is coloured, it fades downwards. These look like they have a colored background. Maybe to emphasize the witness of the skin. The Light skin in Japanese culture thing. Or... I don't know. It is possible to do many different prints from the same woodblock, and since they were handmade, they would look different, all of them, more or less. It is not like just having one painting and one possible faithful reproduction. They came out differen. Hafspajen (talk) 16:44, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
 
At thumb size the faces look whiter
 
James Tissot - Young Ladies Looking at Japanese Objects (NOT NOMINATED)
  • The white face is paint. Everything on a Japanese woodcut print is put there. If the use plain paper and skip the white print plate, then it will be no white face. And if you put only a little, it will be hardly noticeable, like here probably. It is a special technic they use, the Nishiki-e. A nishiki-e print is created by carving a separate woodblock for every color, and using them in a stepwise fashion, made by hand. They put the paper on the plate and push, once for lines, once for colors, details, extra colors, and so on. It is not a painting, it is a print. It all depends on how the actual print was made. Hafspajen (talk) 02:58, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Have you tried to click on show details?, left upper corner ? IT reads like this, from The Toledo Museum of Art, USA,: (citation) Kitagawa Utamaro's interest in physiognomy, —the study of an individual's facial features as an indication of their character—helped lead to his skill at subtly altering the features of each face to create a sense of portraiture and individuality, such as the position and spacing of the eyes, the shape of the nose, and the placement of the ears. At the same time he retained a stylized, ideal beauty characterized by oblong faces and small eyes and mouths.Three Beauties demonstrates three new developments in Japanese printmaking that Utamaro helped make popular during the Edo period: the use of the so-called "big head" composition (okubi-e), which provides a close-up of each subject; the pyramidal formation of the figures; and the use of a sparkling mica-dust background (kirazuri) that sets off the soft matte tones of the faces. This print is one of at least three known states (versions with some variation of detail) of this design and includes a title cartouche in the upper right corner. Hafspajen (talk) 01:13, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • And Utamaro's prints look like this sometimes, se book cover Utamaro revealed here. Hafspajen (talk) 02:58, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I would agree with User:Adam Cuerden that the colour of this print is too mauve/pink all over. The grey here is a warm pinkish grey. It should be a cool grey (not blue grey either but slightly yellowed, if anything). The overall colour cast needs tweaking slightly. It just mean that by whatever process this was reproduced, the balance wasn't quite right. Otherwise, it is a well-composed print.
    Also, this triangular composition may have been innovative in Japanese art, but it had become a common compositional device in Italian art in the 1300s.
    I would like to make some adjustments to the caption,before it's used. Amandajm (talk) 05:52, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ukiyo-e prints really don't keep well. Not only does the cheap newspaper quality paper tone a lot, the everyday printers' inks employed were also cheap and hopelessly fugitive. These prints were not destined for the fine art market but for popular consumption. That pale chestnut-marooon (ubiquitous in surviving examples of these prints) I mention above could have started life anywhere from red to green and in between. The Museum of Fine Arts in Boston has one of the largest and finest collection of these prints, but as you can readily see they generally haven't aged well: Abalone Divers is typical. What should be at stake here is the authenticity. Has the file been digitally processed and if so is the result authentic (or if not, at least meritorious on aesthetic grounds). In this case it's the museum image image via Google Art Ptoject and so far it hasn't been tinkered with. So I don't think there any issues regarding authenticity to worry about here. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 09:51, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ukiyo-e was printed on a variety of paper qualities for different audiences and purposes, from the luxurious to the relatively inexpensive, but I don't think you could call any of it "cheap newspaper quality". They were generally hand-made mulberry paper, and the full-colour nishiki-e prints in particular (that are synonymous with "ukiyo-e" in the West) had to be of higher quality to withstand the multiple impressions of the different colour woodblocks (up to twenty in some cases). Utamaro had the same publisher as Sharaku—Tsutaya Jūzaburō—who was known to employ lavish printing techniques such as dusting the backgrounds with mica. Remember, the audience for these prints were not poor farmers, but the wealthy urban bourgeois who could afford to spend their time and money whoring in the pleasure districts—people who had larger incomes than those in the ruling samurai class. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 14:19, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, I admit to talking out of the box "newspaper quality", but it was nevertheless art for mass consumption was it not? And it was precisely that aspect that attracted Westerners such as Degas and Cassatt. That Adachi facsimile is beautiful. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 16:00, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • They were mass-produced, but "mass" is a relative term—According to this page, in the 19th century they were printed in edtions of a few hundred at a time, and the superstars such as Hiroshige could sell perhaps as many as 5–10,000 copies of their most popular prints. I seem to remember reading elsewhere that many earlier prints were special commissions, for exclusive private clubs and whatnot, in editions of possibly as low as single digits. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:14, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh, I'm not the right guy to ask about that sort of thing... This shouldn't affect this nomination, but here's a modern Adachi reprint, to give an idea of how much the colours have degraded. Of course, that'll be true for any original. They weren't created with long-term preservation in mind. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 15:27, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh, I suspected this, but didn't want to just guess---according to the Adachi page, the whole background is dusted with mica, which gives a glittery effect that I image would never show up in a scan---though there's usually a certain quality to the scans that tells you it's one of those mica-dusted prints. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 15:35, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I do support the original. It meets all the criteria. I can't help thinking that there's a small galaxy of images out there that in fact meet the requirements, but so long as they come in and we keep up I don't see why we shouldn't support them. I would also support a knowledgeable restoration such as Durova did with Ase o fuku onna (Woman wiping sweat). As for the reprint, that would be brilliant except I suspect it's still in copyright. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 16:16, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Copyright issue interesting on reflection. These Adachi prints date from around 1950s it seems. Are they in copyright in US law. They can't be said to be 'faithful representations' can they? Or are they classed as mere derivative works? Coat of Many Colours (talk) 16:21, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • They couldn't possibly be under copyright—there's no creative element to them, which is the basis under which you can obtain copyright. For those who don't know what Adachi is about: The company was founded in 1926 to reproduce ukiyo-e prints using the original techniques—this means they re-carved all the woodblocks by hand, and do all the printing by hand, too (the faded bokashi effects can't be reproduced by machine, such as in the fading blue skies). Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:35, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • It may well be my Brit perspective getting in the way but I am dubious. I know nothing about US copyright law, but I do know Adobe Systems, Inc. v. Southern Software, Inc. because of another debate I took part in on Wikipedia. That case was about copying fonts and the Court upheld the plaintiff (on the distinctly curious grounds in my estimation) that the plaintiff displayed creativity in selecting control points for their Bezier splines (smoothing curves). Similarly surely it can be argued that Adachi displayed creativity in their selection, for example, of printing inks. The very act of printing, as I'm sure you know and will concede, is a creative one. Imagine a small museum in the US somewhere. They have a number of Japanese prints and generate useful income (or did until Wikipedia arrived) on selling poster reproductions. The museum Director has a wheeze: why not lift a few Adachi prints into a glossy little souvenir? Handy income and no royalties to pay. Somehow I can't see it, even in the US. Can you really? Coat of Many Colours (talk) 23:32, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't see how the oranges of Adobe can be compared to the grapes (sorry) of these reprints. It's long been held that faithful reproductions of 2D works acquire no new copyright in the US; this includes attempts to best recreate how a work originally looked. As such, even Adam's claim to copyright for his fantastic restoration work might not be defendable in the United States, amazing as that seems. I recall I tried to nominate a restored version of A Trip to the Moon for deletion, but it was kept (discussion here). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:54, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Given that Adachi's selling point is that they reproduce these prints as exactly as possible—right down to how the individual hairs are carved and the mica dusting—I imagine they've foregone any claims of having crossed the threshold of originality. I'm definitely not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV, but this document suggests the threshold is higher than it is in the States, and we know the States has a higher threshold than the UK (no "sweat of the brow" stuff). On top of that, the Library of Congress has made available a pile of Adachi prints noted "Rights Advisory: No known restrictions on publication." Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 02:09, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I always make it clear that I'm not a lawyer, know nothing substantial about US copyright law and indeed copyright law in general, and I'm always prepared to defer to experts, whether real, television or for that matter wikipedian.
    The paradox about facsimiles is that they are indeed by their very nature faithful representations, but they are also restorations and, my point, involve many creative decisions. What's at stake here is not a museum trying to generate an income that they in reality have no right to, but a bona fide industry with many antecedents.
    However it's true that the Library of Congress does tag Adachi prints in the way you say - this is an example. They regard them as reprints of an original, which I think is wrong in fact. I shall email them for clarification and report back. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 10:44, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, I'll lose whatever faith I have in copyright if you turn out to be right (the very idea seems to spit in the face of the spirit of American copyright laws), but keep in mind that Japanese copyright only extends for fifty years for corporate works, so any of these reproductions whose blocks were cut before 1964 are in the public domain in Japan any way one slices it (such as this, purchased in 1938). Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 11:29, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's instinct, not really knowledgeable on American copyright law as I stress. Didn't know that about Japan copyright law, but at Commons it must be PD in both nation of origin and US. At the beginning of this year I uploaded to the English Wikipedia some Fair Use images of Charlotte Salomon's work, which had come into PD in Europe but not (generally) into the US because of URAA considerations. I was astonished to find that these Fair Use images could not be copied to the Netherlands, French of German, the countries most associated with her, wikis because (so it seems) they only allow uploads from Commons (later in the year I was able to upload some images of hers to Commons given the dispensation there about URAA). Here's a link to a facsimile of William Blake's The Book of Urizen published by the Trianon press for the William Blake Society. At this dealer it's offered for £975 and there are numeous other facsimile edition, some of them very expensive indeed and sought by coillectors, of Blake's other works. The point is that indeed there's an industry in these kinds of facsimiles. I really do doubt that the spirit of the "faithful representation" doctrine in the US can extend to these. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 15:38, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, of course there's a market for these things, but the fact that there's money to be made isn't a consideration in US copyright law (is it in the UK/Europe?). I would be shocked if those editions were considered eligible for copyright. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:15, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, you're right about money to be made. What I meant to suggest is that whereas no one really laments the fact that museums have been stiffed of their reproduction revenues (and American museums were amongst the most vociferous in protecting them) because we instinctively recognise that they don't really own those rights on work that have come into the public domain, it's a different matter when it comes to restorations ("facsimiles"), which is a niche industry in the art world and which undoubtedly would cease to exit if their copyright weren't granted. Of course a loss, to say nothing of the loss of livelihood of its employees. The US case law in question is Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp.. That concerned photography. It's quite a stretch to move to cutting woodblocks, selecting inks and printing impressions as merely "slavish copying". I shall email LoC for their views and if I get a reply let you know on your Talk page. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 21:52, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'll be glad to read it. I have to say, though, that Bridgeman v. Corel only makes me more confident that Adachi prints are uncopyrightable, particularly here:

    But he ruled that the plaintiff, by its own admission, had performed "slavish copying", which did not qualify for copyright protection. "[I]ndeed", he elaborated, "the point of the exercise was to reproduce the underlying works with absolute fidelity". He noted that "[i]t is uncontested that Bridgeman's images are substantially exact reproductions of public domain works, albeit in a different medium".

    With Adachi, there isn't even a "different medium" in play. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:22, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, but I'm saying the underlying work (the Adachi restoration) shouldn't be regarded as public domain in the first place. I haven't studied this judgment, but glancing at it (if I recall correctly) much was made about the evolution of the photographic process, that originally it was thought copyrightable whereas today that cannot be maintained.
    Presently, in the context of photographing 3-D objects, it's accepted that the photographer has rights. That she doesn't in 2-D strikes me as frankly perverse, but as I say it's not something I lose sleep about over museum images. Facsimile editions a different matter. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 23:50, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • What I really meant that is that it's perverse to say that photos of 3-D images are somehow more creative than photos of 2-D images. I would like to see that imaging of any PD work by any means doesn't attract fresh copyright, but that would be strictly *imaging* and not the recreation or restoration of the original work by for example cutting woodblocks, taking plaster casts of sculptures and so on. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 11:43, 6 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well I do, serious answer. But only entry level gear and basically for family snaps. I do know that photographing 2-D objects involves creative choices, hence all the discussion on this forum about various versions. The idea that 3-D photographs are somehow more creative is fairly absurd in my view. Like name your top 10 favourite images of Michelangelo's Pieta ... right, answers on a postcard. The realistic, matter of fact approach to alll this is that imaging of PD work in the modern world should not attract fresh copyright. Give it anothee decade. I'll allow others the last word here. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 15:24, 6 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just a question (I don't hang around here much and don't know the ropes): by "wrong" colours, do you mean not the original colours, or not the colours the print has now after two centuries of fading? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:04, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Promoted File:Kitagawa Utamaro - Toji san bijin (Three Beauties of the Present Day)From Bijin-ga (Pictures of Beautiful Women), published by Tsutaya Juzaburo - Google Art Project.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 11:32, 9 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Woman with Mirrors

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Original – one of Titian's painting with the theme woman reflecting herself in a mirror, similar to the painting Venus with a Mirror also by Titian, this picture being more an everyday scene, less glamorous and more down to earth.
Reason
Titian was an influential Italian painter and a painter who used colours in a very special way. He was a big colorist. The golden-reddish hair depicted here, like the hair colour used in many of the other works of Titian, is called Titian red , (also even darker tints) and are inspired of Tizian's luminous paintings and the golden-reddish tint he depicted on his modells, when the light is reflecting on the smoth surface of the depicted materials and hair.
Articles in which this image appears
Woman with a Mirror, Titian
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Artwork/Paintings
Creator
Titian
  • Support as nominator – Hafspajen (talk) 16:07, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Gorgeous scan of a great work of art. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:21, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. But the 'professionals' who photographed this (it wasn't scanned) have got dust on their sensor. There's a series of repeating dust bunnies all over the image, which suggests it was photographed as a mosaic with a small aperture (which exacebates sensor dust) and stitched. Unfortunate though, as it requires cloning over them and falsifying the cracks in the paint in order to fix it. Doable, but not as nice as not having them there in the first place. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 14:45, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support That's right about dust bunnies. There's one just above the eyebrow on the right of the image and that's repeated directly below on the bosom just above the dress. I'm surprised the 'amateur' who warmed this to their satisfaction let them go :) ... Coat of Many Colours (talk) 15:15, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Get you a four month ban if you do. But right, it's a splendid image, though I don't think its resolution is as good as my proposed new Van Gogh candidate you very nicely think too iconic to support. I challenge anyone to show me an a better ultra high resolution image. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 03:09, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Incidentally this is the same kind of IIP image used by the NGA for the Fragonard image below. If @Dcoetzee: can stitch these tiles with a script, as must be the case, it would be great if he can upload the ultra-high resolution version of that as well. For myself I can handle the Zoomify and NG scripts, but after that I'm defeated. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 15:47, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Portrait d'une Femme à sa Toilette, by Titian, from C2RMF retouched.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 16:10, 9 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Temple Church, London, UK

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Reason
These four images illustrate, in high resolution, different aspects of the Temple Church, a small but notable 12th century church in London built by the Knights Templar. I was given special permission to photograph this church so there were no visitors walking around to spoil the images.
Articles in which this image appears
Temple Church
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Places/Interiors
Creator
User:Diliff
  • Support as nominator – Ðiliff «» (Talk) 23:49, 30 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support! Hafspajen (talk) 00:13, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support — Nice images of a (an) historic edifice. Sca (talk) 01:14, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Excellent images. Thanks for sharing. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 03:03, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - All superb... - Godot13 (talk) 03:59, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - You don't really need my vote here, but you've won it with your beautiful HDR images. Another 50 image stitch? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:14, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments (although minor conflict of interest seeing as I'm a member of Inner Temple and so this is my "work chapel"!) You had got your wests and easts muddled up in the captions, so I've changed that - the altar is at the east end, so photos from the altar towards the Round are looking west, etc. It's a shame that you've not got any exterior pictures of the building in this set, as the Round isn't really shown well in the photos we've got (although I know that positioning a camera is difficult here). However, I'm not entirely happy with File:Temple Church 5, London, UK - Diliff.jpg since it looks as though the Round is the Oval... surely the three central arches at the top of the Round ought to be the same width, not one narrow in the centre with one wide on each side? It looks too distorted compared to reality - compare [4] [5] for example. The other three images are excellent, but then I am biased! BencherliteTalk 19:30, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks for your comments. Apologies for getting the ends mixed up. As for File:Temple Church 5, London, UK - Diliff.jpg, it's not really possible to show this angle of view without some distortion. Yes, the 'roundness' of the Round is compromised slightly, but in the example you provided, the vertical columns are leaning inwards (due to the camera being pointed upwards). This is just a geometric limitation when projecting a three dimensional scene onto a two dimensional plane and you have to accept one kind of distortion or the other. It's generally accepted that for architectural photography, it's more important to keep verticals vertical except when distortion becomes too excessive (that's why you would never see a skyscraper photographed from nearby at ground level with corrected verticals). As for the three central arches and the expectation of them being the same width, no, I don't think that's the case. The central arch is facing directly towards the viewer but the two on either side are at an oblique angle (as they follow the circumference of the Round). It's the same as having three books standing up on a table facing the viewer and then twisting the two outer ones inwards. They present less of a face to the viewer and therefore 'appear' thinner. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 19:52, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      • Regarding my last point, I just realised that I misunderstood what you meant and you were actually suggesting that the middle arch was narrower, not wider. Although my point is still valid and the side arches would be narrower due to the angle of them, the width of the arch is also affected by distance to the viewer and the middle arch is further away than the side arches which contributes to it looking both narrower and shorter. There are a number of geometric factors at play here. In any case, I can't think of any other angles or views that would be an improvement on the image. Moving further back would have obscured the roundness of the Round, moving further forward would have increased the distortion of the Round, and shifting the perspective so that the vertical lean inwards would have been a distortion in itself and would reduce its usefulness as an architectural image IMO. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 16:27, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • OK, I know I'm not going to win any technical argument with Diliff on architectural photography, and my opinions won't actually affect the final result, but... I went back into the church this lunchtime to look again at the views from the far west and the far east (photos 1 and 2). In both cases, the effect of the image is to make the church look much, much longer than it actually is. In photo 1, for example, there looks to be a massive distance between the first two pillars on each side, whereas in reality they are not far apart at all. Similarly, photo 2 makes the Temple Church look more like Winchester Cathedral in length. Photograph 3 is excellent, and I love photograph 4 of the organ (I'm listening to a CD of it that I bought today, having had the pleasure of giving two recitals there in the past - I particularly enjoy seeing the organist's copy of Jehan Alain's Litanies on the console!) So, the net result is that I just don't think that photos 1 and 2 are truly representative of the interior, fine images though they are, leading me to oppose 1 and 2 though I support 3 and 4. BencherliteTalk 12:52, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • You're right, wide angle photography does often have the effect of making the interior space look larger than it actually is. If you were to crop images 1 and 2 and only keep the centre, suddenly that effect would largely disppear. I've had a similar debate to this with others, and what I keep finding is that, a) the eye perceives a scene differently to how a camera captures it, and b) some people are more sensitive to certain geometric distortions than others. Some, like yourself, are bothered by the way certain parts of the image appear larger than others. I might know the technical reasons why certain illusions/effects occur, but I can't argue with subjective opinions on what looks good or not. ;-) All I can say is that distortions are unavoidable in any wide angle view and the struggle to represent a subject both accurately and aesthetically is never easy! Thanks for your thoughts and your votes anyway. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 13:26, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- Colin°Talk 11:41, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support Very nice technical achievement. Also, the result looks very natural despite the (I guess) very heavy processing behind it. On a subjective side, I'd only have straightened (?) the organ picture. - Blieusong (talk) 17:22, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Yann (talk) 07:30, 6 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Temple Church 5, London, UK - Diliff.jpg Armbrust The Homunculus 00:02, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted File:Temple Church 3, London, UK - Diliff.jpg Armbrust The Homunculus 00:02, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted File:Temple Church 2, London, UK - Diliff.jpg Armbrust The Homunculus 00:02, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted File:Temple Church Organ, London, UK - Diliff.jpg Armbrust The Homunculus 00:02, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Indonesian one rupiah (first issue, first series)

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Original – One rupiah from the first issue (1945) of Republic of Indonesia banknotes. Sukarno depicted on the face and a smoking volcano on the front and back. Dated 17 October 1945, the notes were not actually issued until late 1946.
Reason
High quality, high EV. One rupiah from the first issue, first series of rupiah banknotes (dated 1945/issued 1946) in the year Indonesia claimed independence, which was recognized in 1949. Between issuance and independence, these notes were not recognized outside of Indonesia and had no exchange rate.
Articles in which this image appears
Banknotes of the Rupiah, History of the Indonesian rupiah
FP category for this image
Currency
Creator
Republic of Indonesia
From the National Numismatic Collection, NMAH, Smithsonian Institution.
Image by Godot13.

Promoted File:IND-17-Republik Indonesia-1 Rupiah (1945).jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 08:02, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Khao Ping Kan

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Original – Ko Tapu (Tapu Island) is a 20 m tall islet in front of the Khao Phing Kan islands, in the Phang Nga Bay, in Thailand. The island belongs to the Phang Nga National Park and since 1974 is also known as James Bond Island, because the James Bond movie The Man with the Golden Gun was filmed there
Reason
Simply beautiful (good technical quality and crosses the other bars too)
Articles in which this image appears
Khao Phing Kan
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Places/Landscapes
Creator
Diego Delso
  • Whoops. Thanks for that. I definitely meant my picture wasn't so good. This one however is splendid and supported by me. Off-topic, but nearby there's a fish farm they take you to. The community live *above* the farm on stilts and erm ... *feed* it in a natural way ... just a thought the next time you buy a pack of juicy prawns from this part of the world  . Coat of Many Colours (talk) 01:45, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I went to a restaurant-cum-fish farm yesterday. They never have to feed the fish, as customers just throw their leftovers in the water - splish, dinner's ready. (It's catch and release too, so they can grow fairly big) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:48, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Isla Tapu, Phuket, Tailandia, 2013-08-20, DD 36.JPG --Armbrust The Homunculus 16:30, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



City of Workers

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Original – City of Workers (German title: Arbeiterstadt) — A glimpse of the working-class environment in Berlin by Hans Baluschek, 1920.
Reason
A compelling work from the noted Berlin Secession artist Hans Baluschek, illustrating an article newly translated from German Wikipedia. (Nominated for DYK too.)
Articles in which this image appears
Hans Baluschek
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Artwork/Paintings
Creator
Hans Baluschek


Promoted File:Hans Baluschek - Arbeiterstadt (1920).jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 18:08, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Falkirk Wheel time lapse

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Original – A time lapse of one rotational cycle of the Falkirk Wheel in Scotland.
Reason
This is something a bit different from me, a video time lapse of the rotational of the Falkirk Wheel, a unique boat lift in Scotland which raises the height of the boat by 24 metres to connect the Forth and Clyde Canal with the Union Canal. Although it is a video, it is, at 3840 x 2160, actually well above the minimum resolution requirements of an image and is 4k / Ultra high definition television compliant. The video itself is 6|10 seconds long, but covers a real time period of approximately 10 minutes.
Articles in which this image appears
Falkirk Wheel
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Engineering and technology/Machinery or Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Other
Creator
User:Diliff

Promoted File:Falkirk Wheel Timelapse, Scotland - Diliff.webm --Armbrust The Homunculus 19:33, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Sgùrr nan Gillean

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Original – Sgùrr nan Gillean from Sligachan, Isle of Skye
Reason
It's a crisp, high resolution, aesthetically pleasing view of the mountain of Sgùrr nan Gillean, as well as the surrounding landscape and vegetation. Weather and visibility was close to perfect. The image is 40 megapixels and sharp at 100%.
Articles in which this image appears
Sgùrr nan Gillean and Cuillin
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Places/Landscapes
Creator
User:Diliff
  • Support as nominator – Ðiliff «» (Talk) 19:10, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - another excellent pic meeting all requirements. I can confirm sharpness at 100% Coat of Many Colours (talk) 21:08, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Another great landscape image. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:48, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support excellent quality and great work as usual. Nikhil (talk) 02:47, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Seems good! Looks like a wide angle lens, not quite sure if your using the 5D Mark 3 or a better full-frame camera. ///EuroCarGT 03:22, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose, with regret. Technically high standard but not an outstanding photograph. This is one of the most photogenic places in Scotland yet the landscape is not imaginatively captured nor is the time of day/year or weather showing it at its best [though it is far from the worst weather!]. The choice of viewpoint and wide-angle means the subject is quite small in the frame, which is particularly noticeable in thumbnail. The burn is rather dry so not adding any drama or interest. The relatively high viewpoint leaves the grassy moorland in the middle to fill much of the frame and stops the burn successfully leading the eye towards the peaks. Compare this and this, which make use of a bridge to add foreground interest. Compare this which has dramatic water. Compare this and this which have a considerably more photogenic time of year and day. The subject is great, but the other things are the difference between an FP and not. -- Colin°Talk 12:49, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I don't know. One doesn't always have to have the dramatic effects in mind. Mountains are nice as they are, and this picture has it points as it is, right now. It shows a much wider area, which is good, and it is taken in the summer, so it can't be snow on top. The other ones show more of the rocks as a foreground, but this shows more of the whole area. Hafspajen (talk) 20:37, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I struggled with deciding between weak oppose and neutral. I'd be more comfortable with a straight oppose on Commons, as there simply isn't enough wow (esp for a subject that can be photographed with plenty wow). Mere technical utility isn't sufficient for en:fp either -- it needs a little magic to make it among the "finest". But nobody should let my vote influence their decision/opinion -- there are plenty fine attributes about this image too. -- Colin°Talk 08:35, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support *sigh* I think I'm guilty of judging this one what it could be rather than what it is. I've seen many wonderful photos of this mountain range on postcards and calendars that my reaction was a bit of a let down on seeing this. But looking at it again today, I see colours blending from warm rocks through green moorland to grey mountain tops to blue sky. This is what it looks like on a fine sunny summer's day, rather than on a calendar. -- Colin°Talk 16:19, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Sgùrr nan Gillean from Sligachan, Isle of Skye, Scotland - Diliff.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 19:11, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Unisphere

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Original – The Unisphere in Flushing Meadows - Corona Park, New York City, USA
Reason
Good quality and decent EV
Articles in which this image appears
Unisphere
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Places/Architecture or Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Artwork/Sculpture
Creator
Flapane on Italian Wikipedia
  • Support as nominator – Nikhil (talk) 02:45, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I hate to bring this up, but should there be concerns about the copyright status of the sculpture? --Paul_012 (talk) 03:39, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Lovely picture. That's right about copyright since Freedom of Panorama doesn't extend to sculptures in the US, but it's OK if it was installed before 1977 without a copyright notice (or one that was renewed), as the vast majority of such works were. I've added the appropriate template. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 08:25, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • You need to differentiate between the sculpture and the photograph there. The photograph is certainly not PD. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:27, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      • That's understood of course. Usually these descriptions don't explicitly make the distinction. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 13:07, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        • It's best practice to include a way to differentiate them. Adam differentiates between the copyright of the source work and his restoration (restorations attract new copyright in the UK), and when I've been asked to note the copyright of a structure on a description page I've generally separated the copyright for the structure and the photograph. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:41, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
          • Just went to do it and saw you've already done it. In future I'll make the distinction, but as I say the vast majority of these files don't. It's logical to make the distinction and it might serve a purpose in educating the surprising number of people who imagine just donating an image they took themselves confers PD on the image. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 18:47, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • This gives me the strong impression that they had copyrighted the statue. I'd hope for an RS that says it is PD. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:35, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      • Why does that document suggest to you it had been copyrighted? I'm not being obstructive when I note that most artworks weren't copyrighted at the time. That's just a fact. I've seen a figure of 90% quoted as not copyrighted. Of course it can be easily checked, but I should hope it needn't go to that. It's been on Commons nearly three years and no one's challenged it despite the extensive patrolling that site receives. I appreciate the criteria say the work should be PD but there's no cause to challenge it's not, and that's not what we're about, the original issue raised here doubtlessly in ignorance of US copyright law. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 13:07, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        • No entries for Gilmore D Clarke (the landscape artist who designed the work and presumably owns any copyright) at the US Copyright Office. You have to present yourself in person for registrations before 1978. There are various records for "Unisphere", but these refer to a jazz suite by Dave Brubeck performed at the World Fair. I think there's due diligence here and we need not worry about copyright Coat of Many Colours (talk) 13:21, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
          • I know we'd have to go in person, which is why I didn't rely only on that source (we could also find PDFs of the actual records, but my connection can't handle that). I believe that source suggests United States Steel is the copyright holder. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:20, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
          • Also, Commons lets copyvios get by all the time. I wouldn't take 3 years on Commons as proof that someone has looked into this. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:22, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
            • The document talks about the World Fair registering the Unisphere's image as a trademark. The copyright of the work itself, however, belongs to the creator on my understanding and that doesn't seem to have been registered. I suggest you raise it at one of the copyright forums. @Stefan2: Stefan will know. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 15:01, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
          • It was constructed over 1963 and 1964 so (if it has a notice) which year was it published? If 1963 then copyright would have to have been renewed (1991?). Can we check for renewal with certainty? (I am out of my depth so these are remarks and not statements of fact.). Thincat (talk) 21:07, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
            • Hi Thincat. Thanks for responding. I was looking for renewals when I searched at US Copyright. I didn't see any. Just the Dave Brubeck quartet thing (which I must search out and have a listen). Coat of Many Colours (talk) 01:37, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
              • Hi. I couldn't find anything either, but I don't know how to do these things properly. If it was first published in 1964 I don't think it would have needed renewal. Thincat (talk) 07:05, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
                • Missed the first question: the copyright holders (US Steel) were very strict about enforcing the copyright on images which reproduced the statue (note how they required copyright notices be included for all published photographic reproductions). This attention to copyright suggests they would have copyrighted the original statue. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:41, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
                • The problem with looking for a renewal is that the absense of a renewal is not proof that this has lapsed into PD territory. See the Hirtle chart: 1964 through 1977 (Published with notice) expires 95 years after publication date (earliest 2060). No renewal necessary. All we need is proof of notice (hard to do unless we check the whole sculpture) and registration (much simpler). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:47, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Concerning the copyright question, the outcome of the discussion is that its public domain status is confirmed. It would be a pity if editors refrained from supporting this fine image out of scruples over copyright. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 15:32, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, sharp enough, tourists add scale (and thus I don't mind them). Though I'd put this in Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Artwork/Sculpture. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:52, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral. It's a very nice photo, but looking more closely, I found myself rather distracted by the building with flag seemingly floating behind the sculpture, its base obscured by the fountains. Crop also feels rather tight at the top. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:03, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral It's a very nice photo, but looking more closely, I found myself rather distracted by the flowerbed and its colors in the foreground. The picture would have been much cleaner and clearer if the photograph was standing in such manner that the flowerbed was behind him. The turist I don't mind. Hafspajen (talk) 14:27, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not Promoted --Armbrust The Homunculus 04:31, 13 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



U-21 sinking the Linda Blanche

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Original – U-21 sinking the Linda Blanche, a painting by Willy Stöwer, the Kaiser's favourite naval painter.
Reason
A rather fine artwork by a notable WWI painter. The depiction of the U-boat is quite good, the Linda Blanche not very, but then, it's not like he could ask England for pictures of the ship his country just sunk.
Articles in which this image appears
Willy Stöwer, SM U-21 (Germany)
FP category for this image
WP:Featured pictures/History/WWI
Creator
Willy Stöwer

Promoted File:Willy Stöwer - Sinking of the Linda Blanche out of Liverpool.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 13:53, 13 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



The Fringes of the Fleet

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Original – The Fringes of the Fleet is a 1915 book by Rudyard Kipling, poems from which were set to music by Edward Elgar. More on that soon.
 
ALT – Background removed
Reason
While it has fairly low "Wow" factor, this is the first edition cover to a notable book, and, as such, has very high EV. This version has been somewhat cleaned, but I didn't want to clean it so much that it looked like some new printing, when it's a year short of a hundred years old.
Articles in which this image appears
The Fringes of the Fleet
FP category for this image
WP:Featured pictures/Artwork/Literary illustrations, I guess.
Creator
Macmillan and Co., prepared and cleaned by Adam Cuerden

Promoted File:Rudyard Kipling - The Fringes of the Fleet (cover) - cleaned.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 15:15, 13 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Sony Alpha 77 II

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  • Sony α77 II A-mount camera with Sony DT 16-50mm F2.8 SSM kit lens
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    Top
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    Front
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    Rear
Reason
A set of images illustrating the Sony α77 II camera from three key angles and taken to professional brochure/advert quality and style. Low-key lighting was chosen rather than an "isolated on white" approach. The result is more desirable and engaging than the usual "eBay listing" style. All the critical features of the camera are clearly visible and the overall form and shape of the body and lens are emphasised. Thus meeting the FP criteria of being both illustrative and eye-catching.
Articles in which this image appears
Sony Alpha 77 II, Low-key lighting
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Photographic techniques, terms, and equipment
Creator
Colin

Promoted File:Sony A77 II - top.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 09:05, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted File:Sony A77 II.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 09:05, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted File:Sony A77 II - rear.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 09:05, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Signing of the Constitution of the United States

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Original – "Scene at the Signing of the Constitution of the United States is a famous oil-on-canvas painting by Howard Chandler Christy, depicting the signing of the U.S. Constitution at Independence Hall in Philadelphia on September 17, 1787"
Reason
Notable painting used in many articles, meets size requirements, high EV, good quality
Articles in which this image appears
Scene at the Signing of the Constitution of the United States, Constitutional Convention (United States), American philosophy, List of proposed amendments to the United States Constitution, Howard Chandler Christy, Timeline of drafting and ratification of the United States Constitution, George Washington, Originalism, Founding Fathers of the United States, Powers of the United States Congress, United States Congress, United States Constitution, Independence National Historical Park, etc.
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/History/USA History
Creator
Howard Chandler Christy
  • No, that's fine. I'll add the source to the Description file and put a formal support vote below. You did a good job on the colour balance I think. Incidentally someone should really find a place for this Cristy image (Feminism?)
  • I'm sorry you consider it this way, but understand the decision. I'd find a higher pixel size to help, but this is the largest one in the web; I think this is also understandable considering the large size of the painting. Regards.--MarshalN20 Talk 00:53, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I understand the concern raised about the resolution, but it does meet the requirements and is good enough for all practical purposes. Rreagan007 (talk) 14:37, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - MarshalN20, now remember this is nothing personal, you seems to be a very nice editor. This I really mean. But one thing is the problem mentioned above. The other is a stylistic problem. Painter lived 1873 – 1952, well fairly recently, the artist is obviously indulging in nostalgia for a distant past. The artist must have based its details on older paintings he had seen in museums, without being able to work from direct experience of the period in which the events took place. As a result, there is an uneasy feeling, not because it is unusual to depict other eras. It doesn't need to be condemned simply because it did not originate in the period being represented. Painters of many periods, for example, have depicted Biblical scenes without ever having witnessed them at first hand, The evident nostalgia, however, for a time not actually in the artist's experience is not unlike trying to paint an imagined remote future Utopia, when "things will have gotten better". It is, a denial of the artist's own time—a wish to escape from it by retreating into fantasy. Well, one simple thing - would that really be possible that nearly all figures that day are wearing green, the same green as the curtains? (And tablecloth...) Hafspajen (talk) 15:00, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well I don't suppose Trumbull was working from photographs. I did put up a link to a discussion of this painting because it provides a useful reference image. Without reading it in detail, I gathered it was making the point that the painting was an allegory of the American consciousness, and that stikes me as about right, although discussions about the merits of a painting are neither here nor there in this forum. It's the merits of the image that we are concerned with here, whether it has encyclopaedic value and so on. I didn't enter into any discussions with you about aesthetics. The only thing I can find in WP? about aesthetics is "A featured picture is not always required to be aesthetically pleasing".
    Crisco's point about resolution is fair. I too was dismayed at the lack of fine detail in this image and that was why I queried the source. But FP? guidelines are at least 1,500 pixels, and this image is 3,000 pixels wide. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 18:30, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Re: Trumbull's version. That was promoted six years ago, when standards were quite different. I'd probably oppose if that came up now. Yes, 1500 is the minimum, but for some subjects (say, really big structures, or really big paintings) more resolution may be expected. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:10, 6 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Re: Nightwatch: Needs to be in an article first  . I'm not 100% familiar with art photography, particularly as I've yet to see a painting here that I could photograph and upload freely to Wikipedia/Commons (and thus haven't bothered to take anything bigger than what would show up well on Facebook), but yes, scaffolding and taking several images which can be stitched together would probably work. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:30, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • The positions taken by Hafspajen and Crisco have merit, but there is a flaw in their conclusion. The question asked here is whether the image in question meets the guidelines for it being a Featured Picture in Wikipedia. The answer is, as explained by Coat of Many Colours, a simple yes. However, Hafspajen's and Crisco's views are valid towards the idea that the image could be improved; however, this only leads me to consider that pictures in Wikipedia, like articles in Wikipedia, are a work in progress. Even after reaching featured status, images and articles in Wikipedia can still be made better (I'm sure technology in the future will lead to much more aesthetically pleasing images). Of course, all editors are entitled to their own perspectives, and I also like to assume all of them are nice persons. [;)]--MarshalN20 Talk 14:02, 6 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am very surprised a couple of experienced editors are making these arguments. The artistic quality or content of the painting is immaterial. Our criteria judge it on its encyclopedic value - in this case solidly underpinned by an independent and lengthy article. Is the work kitschy, nostalgic, patriotic and arguably quite ugly? Yes. Does it matter? No; we don't get to judge based on our own conception of aesthetics. 70.72.190.205 (talk) 05:45, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not Promoted --Armbrust The Homunculus 12:53, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Romain Rolland on the balcony of his home

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    Original – Romain Rolland on balcony of his home, face view
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    Original – Romain Rolland on balcony of his home, profile view
Reason
High value historical images with restoration: 100 year-old picture, and this year is the 70th anniversary of his death. Both pictures are precisely geocoded and described (see also the notes).
Articles in which this image appears
Romain Rolland
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/People/Artists and writers
Creator
unknown photographer from Agence Meurisse, uploaded and restored by Yann
  • Support as nominator – Yann (talk) 14:09, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support (both) - Excellent, excellent images. High praise. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 14:25, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support set. Have you found out what type of media these were originally? Still curious about those lines. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:06, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm undecided on the photos individually, but I think I oppose them as a set. They don't really form a whole, and don't really add much to each other. If there's going to be a promotion, I think it should be an either/or. I also think it's regrettable that these images are tucked away towards the bottom of the article- they come across as decorative, rather than high-impact, highly-valuable additions. J Milburn (talk) 10:20, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • @J Milburn: There are only 2 taken on that day and that place, and I think they complement well each other: one showing the man, the other one more the environment. Did you look at the description? And what do you suggest about the article? Regards, Yann (talk) 13:48, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      • This is one of those things where a question needs to be asked: Is there significance in this day, and is the balcony a significant place for him? Because I'm not quite sure I see how these are particularly more valuable than other images of him might be, and hence why both should be featured. Why is the background valuable? If there's good answers to these, then that makes the set obvious, and very valuable, if it's just two images from a random day, we may only want to feature one. Adam Cuerden (talk) 01:58, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        • Thanks, good questions Adam. We don't have so many good quality images of R. Rolland, let alone free like these ones. AFAIK, there are also the only ones which are dated, and for which the location is known precisely. These are by far the highest resolution images of him we have. This is the balcony of his home, where he lived until 1914. He left for Switzerland at the beginning of WWI, after receiving death threats due to his vocal opposing to the war and nationalism. We can see in the background the monastary of the Sisters of Visitation, and on the right one, also the the cupola of the observatory of Paris. Regards, Yann (talk) 07:46, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
          • Well, I can certainly support the profile view, but the face view... honestly, I'd be more inclinedtowards an IAR support of the article's lead image for that. The expression is a bit awkward on it. Adam Cuerden (talk) 11:16, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not Promoted --Armbrust The Homunculus 14:16, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Snæfellsjökull

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Original – Snæfellsjökull is a 700,000-year-old stratovolcano with a glacier covering its summit in western Iceland.
Reason
High quality pic with a higher visibility
Articles in which this image appears
Snæfellsjökull
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Places/Landscapes
Creator
Axel Kristinsson (from Flickr)

Not Promoted --Armbrust The Homunculus 14:29, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Annie Besant in 1897

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Original – Annie Besant in 1897
Reason
Old high resolution picture of a famous personality, with restoration.
Articles in which this image appears
Annie Besant
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured_pictures/People
Creator
photographer unknown, uploaded, restored and nominated by Yann
Info
Renomination with less contrast. Previous nom. had only a few reviews: Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Annie Besant

Not Promoted --Armbrust The Homunculus 14:30, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Sarah Bernhardt, par Nadar, 1864

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Original – Sarah Bernhardt, par Nadar, 1864
Reason
150 old picture of a famous personality, by a famous photographer. Already FP on Commons. Renom. after further restoration.
Articles in which this image appears
Sarah Bernhardt, Nadar (photographer)
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured_pictures/People
Creator
picture by Nadar (1820-1910), uploaded, restored and nominated by Yann

Not Promoted --Armbrust The Homunculus 17:05, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



In the Turret

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Original – In the Turret - a BEP vignette depicting the interior of a gun/cannon turret in an early to mid-19th century naval vessel. The image was used on the right obverse of the $100 Interest Bearing Note during the early to mid 1860s.
Reason
High quality, high EV. Detailed depiction of the interior of a naval cannon turret (not previously illustrated in the article).
Articles in which this image appears
Art and engraving on United States banknotes, Gun turret and Naval artillery
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Engineering and technology/Weaponry
Creator
Bureau of Engraving and Printing.
Restoration by Godot13.
Understood. Given the day, I wanted to nominate this, but the EV is not there without the article...--Godot13 (talk) 23:47, 4 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not Promoted --Armbrust The Homunculus 23:08, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Great Mosque of Central Java

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Original – The Great Mosque of Central Java (Masjid Agung Jawa Tengah) is a mosque in the city of Semarang, Central Java. Completed in 2006, it has room in the building and courtyard for over 15,000 worshipers.
Reason
Well, we've got a church down there, and a Chinese temple... I don't think I've nominated a mosque yet! I had a hell of a time taking this. After failing to take a decent image from the viewing level (owing to a concrete skirt around it, which got in the way) I went to the (closed) 18th floor to try and take an image through the glass, but it was so dirty that it didn't work. I tried to take an image from the very top of the tower, standing next to the lightning rod. No good, still stone blocking the photograph. Finally I ended up going back to the viewing level, standing on a stool, and sticking my camera out of the tower, through the bars, to get the whole darned thing in view. The results, however, are pleasing (at least to me). This appears to be the best aerial view of the mosque online in terms of composition (we have the dome, the three buildings, and even most of the the courtyard), and resolution is certainly not lacking either!
Articles in which this image appears
Great Mosque of Central Java
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Places/Architecture
Creator
Chris Woodrich

Promoted File:Great Mosque of Central Java, aerial view.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 06:30, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



God Speed redux

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Original – God Speed, a 1900 painting by British artist Edmund Leighton, depicting an armored knight departing to war and leaving his beloved. The woman ties a red sash around knight's arm, which he is meant to return, a medieval custom which assured both parties that they would be reunited, alive and well.
Reason
A version with higher resolution was uploaded since the first nomination, so giving it a second chance. Also, improves our coverage of artists less known than Rembrandt or van Gogh. Brandmeistertalk 09:17, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Articles in which this image appears
God Speed, Edmund Leighton, 1900 in art, 2012 in art
FP category for this image
Artwork/Paintings
Creator
Edmund Leighton

Promoted File:Leighton-God Speed!.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 09:18, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Cafe Terrace at Night

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    Original – Café Terrace at Night is a coloured oil painting of Vincent van Gogh on an industrially primed canvas in Arles, France, mid-September 1888.
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    Alt – Used on other articles on en.Wikipedia, but has a lower resolution
Reason
high quality and EV
Articles in which this image appears
Cafe Terrace at Night
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Artwork/Paintings
Creator
Vincent van Gogh
I uploaded a nice Flickr version into the category using Flinfo and linked it the file, but I should think that's probably it as far as good digital images are concerned. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 12:11, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Bother. It's a copy. I'll delink. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 12:28, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Is there anything about the museum it's in that means we couldn't, say, chip in to get Diliff a Netherlands trip, with mandatory visits to the Franz Hals museum and the Kröller-Müller Museum? (I realize it's not in the Franz Hals museum, but, c'mon, Hals is amazing. Adam Cuerden (talk) 12:17, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  Pretty sure KM doesn't allow photography. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 12:28, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose original and alt as per Crisco, we have to at least get a reproduction of the original painting. The alt is just too soft (and also seems to have minor artifacts similar to halftoning, although it's hard to tell). Ðiliff «» (Talk) 15:29, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Diliff and Crisco. Even if this is the best we're going to get for the forseeable future, I am not convinced that it "is among the best examples of a given subject that the encyclopedia has to offer". J Milburn (talk) 17:03, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I can understand that, and actually looking more closely at the two both can be objected to on the grounds of the crop, the one on the left cropped on the right and the one on the right cropped on the left. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 18:29, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not Promoted --Armbrust The Homunculus 20:50, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Albert Einstein

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Alt 1
 
1921 etching published 1921 in a limited edition of 43 impressions
Reason
Fixed issues raised by first nomination. Highest ev for any other image.
Articles in which this image appears
Albert Einstein and History of Germany (highest EV)
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/People/Science and engineering
Creator
Ferdinand Schmutzer
"What transpired was that right from the beginning obstacles were put in my way by editors who take upon themselves the policing of copyright in Wikipedia. A user Sfan00 IMG flagged for deletion a whole series of pre-1923 local uploads of works still in artists' copyright as possibly URAA breaches. This turned out to be entirely specious, simply flat-out wrong. But what was actually comical was that when I turned to the Teahouse, support group for newbies, an adviser there with no absolutely no avowed expertise in copyright issues whatsoever, whom I rather strongly suspected of knowing less about copyright than I did, took it upon himself to defend the deletions on the grounds that there was no evidence the works had been "published" pre-1923. My reasonable replies, on which I spent significant time, were simply rejected. When I actually presented an impeccable provenance and exhibition history for one of the works prepared by the National Gallery of London, he airily dismissed that as not proof of "publication". In the end it transpired he had no idea what constitutes "publication" and that in any case the issue had been debated and settled before in favour of my position. It's no accident that the invitation to the Teaparty no longer graces this page."
The article start in question was Facing the Modern: The Portrait in Vienna 1900. The painting I refer to above was Oskar Kokoschka's Portrait of Lotte Franzos (a local upload because it's not PD in Austria). This famous and beautiful painting, created in 1909, was immediately controversial. It's unthinkable that it wasn't "published" i.e. illustrated in one of the very numerous art magazines of the time, when it was first exhibited in 1911. Yet to provide "proof" of this publication would be a major undertaking that even the National Gallery of London could not supply in its Immunity from Seizure filing it made for the exhibition.
It's frankly tedious to continue contributing to debates like this. Eventually one gives up in frustration as I indeed did with almost my entire project when I started my account.
I urge editors to ignore this specious copyright issue raised here, really not our concern, when considering their support for this image.Coat of Many Colours (talk) 11:17, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Policy is to accept date of creation as date of publication"... really now? That's not my experience, and in fact I've seen several images taken in the 1940s be deleted because there was no proof that they were published at the time. For, say, an Australian photograph in which the year of creation is taken into consideration (and not publication), that might not be a problem, but for this image there are major issues. We should not knowingly promote a possible copyright violation as FP. Period. Possible copyvios are far from "Wikipedia's best work". — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:25, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rereading the debates over the Vienna exhibition, it appears you are paraphrasing a quote by Stefan2, namely "This problem is sometimes discussed on Commons, and Commons has more or less accepted that the date of publication is impossible to find, so Commons typically uses the date of creation instead." I should note again that this is for paintings, not photographs. Data of creation is generally not enough for a photograph to survive a deletion nomination at Commons (in my personal experience, at least). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:42, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes indeed, as conceded by the great Stefan2/4/etc. himself. And I can quote a long standing administrator at Commons in support as well. So there we are. It is exactly as I said i.e. to say Commons policy is to accept creation date as publication date failing evidence to the contrary. As for Les Demoiselles d'Avignon, of course that was "published" before 1923, Picasso long an established artist and the painting long iconic.
In this case we have a photograph of a similarly celebrated public figure which was plainly taken for the purpose of illustrating some work or other and there's every reason to suppose it was published at around the same time and no good reason to suppose it wasn't. So why the attitude here? Coat of Many Colours (talk) 12:57, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Crisco 1492: I think it is very sad that you oppose because of copyright issue. As I said above (did you read me?), even if we don't have a definitive proof, I think there is only one chance in a million that it is not in the public domain in the US. Regards, Yann (talk) 13:57, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Once again I plead that editors do not let these specious copyright concerns deter them from supporting fine images such as this. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 13:47, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Could you take it to a copyright forum first please, to make sure of the facts before nominating for deletion this long-standing multi-linked file. As I read the the Hirtle chart, it was first published abroad 2001 (purchase by a national archive constitutes publication) and in the public domain in Austria at the URAA date (Schmutzer died in 1925). So we are instructed to go to US publication chart to determine status and we have never published, never registered - "Known author with a known date of death: 70 years after the death of author" {{PD-US-unpublished}}. That's how I read the chart. @Stefan: Stefan will know - not that he responds to my pings very much  . Coat of Many Colours (talk) 15:33, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, the Hirtle chart was published on Cornell's website first (but given a CC license). Have another read of {{PD-US-unpublished}}; for the 70 years pma to apply here, the images would have had to first been published in 2003 or later. This is in-line with what the Hirtle chart says (Commons version): "Created before 1978 and first published between 1 March 1989 through 2002 = The greater of the term specified in the previous entry or 31 December 2047 = earliest 2047)". If this had been published just two years later, this would have been free, but sadly it wasn't. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:11, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Query Aren't you looking in the wrong place? This is for work first published in the US. But this work was first published in Austria. The mere act of these images being purchased by a a national archive constitutes publication in US case law. QED. My money is on Cornell. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 18:29, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Per Cornell - "Published abroad after 1 March 1989"
Published in a country that is a signatory to the Berne Convention - 70 years after the death of author, or if work of corporate authorship, 95 years from publication.
Blame Cornell. Can't really be arsed with this any more. Sorry. A real expert like Stefan no doubt will be along in a while. Love you loads, Stef. No really. Honest Indian, swear by my blanket and everything. Peace pipe. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 16:16, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Even if we do assume that date of creation = date of publication (which is not my experience, and I am aware of no policy which suggests otherwise)- I think we need something a little stronger than "oh well, I suppose it's PD" for a featured picture. J Milburn (talk) 17:56, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
To: bildarchiv@onb.ac.at
Subject: Bild Nummer 5103991
Message:
Can you comment please for me on the the Public Domain status in the United States (and indeed in Austria) of your holding inv. no. 5103991. This is a B&W glass negative portrait of Albert Einstein by Ferdinand Schmutzer, portraitist and President of the Vienna Secession 1914-1917, dating from 1921. I believe it was purchased by your library in 2001 along with other recently discovered negatives by Schmutzer. Is that correct? If not perhaps you can tell me when it was first published. I know that Schmutzer's images of Sigmund Freud are contested by the Freud estate. As far as I know there are no claims on his images of Albert Einstein. I would be grateful if you could confirm that as well.
I'll report back if I hear anything. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 20:56, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I've had confirmation from the ANL that the image was purchased in 2001 (copied to the nomination for deletion pages). This indeed means that the image is in their copyright until 2027 per article 4 Directive 2006/116/EC because it was published after the author's copyright had expired (on a point of clarity if had been published while in copyright then the ordinary term 70 year pma applies: thus if it had been published in 1998 - Schmutzer dying in 1928 according to Wikipedia - it would have entered PD the year following in the normal way).
The PD status in US not clear to me. I'm consulting source text tonight, if necessary US case law. I want to save this fine image at least for Wikipedia with a local upload. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 12:38, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I have uploaded the Schmutzer etching (thumbnailed) to Commons:File:Albert Einstein, Etching by Ferdinand Schmutzer 1921.jpg and posted at Commons:Village_pump/Copyright#Albert_Einstein_photo_by_Ferdinand_Schmutzer to enquire whether the 1921 publication of the etching is adequate to establish publication within the terms of the Berne Convention for the photo. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 17:04, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]


Not Promoted --Armbrust The Homunculus 10:43, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Mehmed VI

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Original – The last sultan of the Ottoman Empire, Mehmed VI.
Reason
A reasonably high-quality carte-de-visite photograph by the sultan's official photographer. Not that that's in the article yet; I really need to make one on Sébah & Joaillier. It was an interesting cleanup job: there was blue fibres stuck to the lower right, and brown marks across the middle. Hence why I haven't had a lot of nominations this week.
Articles in which this image appears
Mehmed VI +1
FP category for this image
Well, a sultan is both a religious, royal, and political figure... I'd say Wikipedia:Featured pictures/People/Royalty and nobility or Wikipedia:Featured pictures/People/Political are probably the most significant?
Creator
Sébah & Joaillier, restored by Adam Cuerden

Promoted File:Sébah & Joaillier - Sultan Mehmed VI.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 02:50, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Abdul Harris Nasution

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Original – Abdul Haris Nasution at a party in 1977. Nasution was an Indonesian general (one of only three to ever hold the title Jenderal besar) who was twice appointed Army Chief of Staff and who escaped an assassination attempt during the 1965 coup attempt by 30 September Movement. In the 1960s Indonesian newspapers speculated how well he'd do as president, and he was made a National Hero of Indonesia in 2002.
Reason
I've been sitting on this for almost a year, to be honest. This is easily the best image of an Indonesian general we have, but the pose is not as dynamic as some of our portraits. Nonetheless, I think it's time to give it a shot. Decent resolution, sharp, good quality.
Articles in which this image appears
Abdul Haris Nasution, National Hero of Indonesia
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/People/Military, probably
Creator
Punt/Anefo (released under a CC license by the National Archives of the Netherlands); restored by Chris Woodrich

Promoted File:Abdul Haris Nasution.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 02:51, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Aerial Photo of The City of Dana Point, California

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Original – Aerial Photo of Dana Point, California
Reason
Great photo I took a few years ago that shows the entire city of Dana Point, California, a city located in southern Orange County, California. It has one of the few harbors along the Orange County coast, and with ready access via State Route 1, it is a popular local destination for surfing.
Articles in which this image appears
Dana Point, California
FP category for this image
Portal:Geography/Featured picture
Creator
--talk→ WPPilot  05:40, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the comment. Aerial photography is tough, traveling at speeds over 100MPH creates a challenge in terms of composition and the weather is always a unknown. Cheers! talk→ WPPilot  18:12, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not Promoted --Armbrust The Homunculus 07:01, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



1730 Homann map of Scandinavia, Finland, and the Baltics

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Original – 1730 Johann Homann Map of Scandinavia, Finland and the Baltics
Reason
A fine map, useful, and, well, I do think we have some very good SVG creators, but old maps just say history a bit more, y'know?
Articles in which this image appears
History of Scandinavia, History of Sweden, Johann Homann +1
FP category for this image
For once, an obvious choice: Wikipedia:Featured_pictures/Diagrams,_drawings,_and_maps/Maps
Creator
Johann Homann, courtesy of Geographicus.

Promoted File:1730 Homann Map of Scandinavia, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland and the Baltics - Geographicus - Scandinavia-homann-1730.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 17:09, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Kampoeng Rawa

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    Original – The dock at the tourist attraction Kampoeng Rawa, which connects to Lake Rawa Pening through a canal. This image is illustrative because it shows just how close Kampoeng Rawa is to the lake, which has been the source of controversy.
  •  
    ALT – Panorama of the site itself, from the approaching road. Mounts Merbabu and Telomoyo are visible in the background.
Reason
Good resolution and attractive view of the dock and Lake Rawa Pening
Articles in which this image appears
Kampoeng Rawa; I might add this to Lake Rawa Pening too
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Places/Others, maybe?
Creator
Chris Woodrich
  • Comment I would be happy to support the splendid panorama you have on the page, but this doesn't seem to me to be especially encyclopaedic (what does it really add to our knowledge of Kampoeng Rawa?). Image not especially striking either for that matter, though of course technically it is very fine as all your images are. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 07:18, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've added the alt. Aside from illustrating the dock itself, the first image illustrates how close the attraction is to Lake Rawa Pening (although Google's overhead view showed me exactly how shockingly close), which has been a point of contention (see the last two paragraphs in the article). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:27, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Firstly, I think the backdrop is beautiful. Secondly, are these, from left to right, the restaurant, crafts center, and pendopo? I couldn't figure out what the buildings on the right might be. Thirdly, wouldn't a photo such as [8] have much more encyclopedic value as an image of the kampung? – Editør (talk) 10:30, 9 July 2014‎ (UTC)[reply]
  • That's the restaurant itself, viewed from much closer up. It's actually on the viewer's right side (you can see the front entrance from this angle). I'll label the buildings; I can tag them too if necessary. As for EV, I think a view of the site is better than just one or two buildings. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:55, 9 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've added information to the description page, as well as some notations. I have an image of the restaurant I can upload locally as well, but I prefer the dock image. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:01, 9 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for the extra information. I've added an image caption to the article and the image's encyclopedic value is much clearer now. But the image doesn't obviously pass or fail WP:FP? #3 for Kampoeng Rawa, so I've decided to abstain from voting on ALT. – Editør (talk) 11:54, 9 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Kampung Rawa, from a distance 2014-06-20 (02).jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 01:13, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



James Webb Space Telescope mirror acceptance testing

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Original – Six of the primary mirrors of the James Webb Space Telescope being prepared for acceptance testing
Reason
Striking image, good composition, good illustration for the JWST, Primary mirror and Acceptance testing articles
Articles in which this image appears
James Webb Space Telescope, Systems architect, and just added to primary mirror and acceptance testing
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Space/Understanding
Creator
NASA/MSFC/David Higginbotham

Promoted File:James Webb Primary Mirror.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 04:54, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]




Plum trees by Utagawa Hiroshige and Vincent van Gogh

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Original 1 – The Plum Garden in Kameido (1857) by Hiroshige, from his One Hundred Famous Views of Edo, in the collection of the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam
 
Original 2 – Flowering Plum Tree (after Hiroshige) (1887) by Vincent van Gogh, from his Japonaiserie, in the collection of the Van Gogh Museum in Amsterdam
Reason
Individually two quality images of art works by famous artists, having even more encyclopedic value when shown side by side.
Articles in which this image appears
Japonaiserie (Van Gogh) (both), Copies by Vincent van Gogh (both), Hiroshige (both), One Hundred Famous Views of Edo (Hiroshige image), Vincent van Gogh (Van Gogh image), Japonism (Van Gogh image), List of works by Vincent van Gogh (Van Gogh image), Almond Blossoms (Van Gogh image), Modern art (Van Gogh image)
FP category for this image
Artwork
Creator
Hiroshige and Vincent van Gogh (artists)
Rijksmuseum and Google Art Project (photographers)
Fæ and DcoetzeeBot (uploaders)

Promoted File:De pruimenboomgaard te Kameido-Rijksmuseum RP-P-1956-743.jpeg Armbrust The Homunculus 09:09, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted File:Vincent van Gogh - Bloeiende pruimenboomgaard- naar Hiroshige - Google Art Project.jpg Armbrust The Homunculus 09:09, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



SAI KZ IV

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Original – The only still functional KZ IV ambulance aircraft with registration OY-DIZ landing at Danish Air Show 2014. Built by Skandinavisk Aero Industri with first flight on May 4, 1944. Restored to its wartime configuration after a crash in 1977. In 1949, the OY-DIZ was christened with the name Folke Bernadotte in honour of the Swedish count who had used this very aircraft to make a diplomatic visit to Germany to negotiate for the release of Danish prisoners in German concentration camps near the end of the war.
Reason
A unique aircraft restored to its wartime configuration with an interesting history taken in good light conditions with good timing while landing.
Articles in which this image appears
SAI KZ IV
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Vehicles/Air
Creator
Slaunger
  • Support as nominator – Slaunger (talk) 09:19, 9 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Good EV, but it's a crop of an original which doesn't make the pixel count and indeed the definition isn't as high as I should like to see in a Featured Picture. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 09:56, 9 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • reply It is correct it has been cropped from an original 16 Mpixels down to a little over 7 Mpixels. Yet that is still well above the minimum file size. When photographing relatively fast moving object while panning, I tend to zoom out a bit as it can be hard to exactly frame the object as intended the moment things happens, and it is then easier to crop a bit afterwards. This aircraft only landed once, so it was the only chance I had. I think the less-than-optimal resolution is compensated by excellent light. I admit though, that my gear was miserable compared to the gear used by the pro aviation photographers at the same event:-) --Slaunger (talk) 10:53, 9 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Ah yes, I beg your pardon. I missed the note about the original file size in the original image. Happy to support now below. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 16:51, 9 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:OY-DIZ SAI KZ IV landing Danish Air Show 2014-06-23.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 09:25, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Almond blossom

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Original – Van Gogh's work Almond Blossom reflected his interest in Japanese wood block prints. Vincent van Gogh said (citation): Arles was "the Japan of the South."
Reason
From the National Gallery of Art's "Effects of the Sun in Provence (citation):

"It was sun that Van Gogh sought in Provence, a brilliance and light that would wash out detail and simplify forms,

reducing the world around him to the sort of pattern he admired in Japanese woodblocks.[1]

  1. ^ "Effects of the Sun in Provence" (PDF). National Gallery of Art Picturing France (1830—1900). Washington, D.C.: National Gallery of Art. p. 12.
Articles in which this image appears
Almond Blossoms, Vincent van Gogh, Van Gogh Museum, List of works by Vincent van Gogh, Van Gogh's family in his art
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Artwork/Paintings
Creator
Vincent van Gogh
 
No idea, Coaty
Done. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 08:45, 13 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
ON reflection, I've reverted to original and I'll upload the tiled version as a separate file since it's not strictly speaking a Google Art project image. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 18:24, 13 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Video. Almond blossom, Hafspajen (talk) 19:06, 9 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Seriously? You've got me worried. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 08:40, 10 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
OH; people think, light blue, oh, that can't be van Gogh. They expect him to have strong colours, but it is not true - he painted a lot of etheral, light and airy paintings too, pinks and light blues. That's HIM too... It is just prejudice. Hafspajen (talk) 02:57, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Plastic?? Do you mean the very thick paint when the light reflects on it? That was van Gogs style. He always did that. He used up twice as much paint than the others, took thick brushes and lots and lots of paint on it, so it is like you can clearly see how the brush touched the canvas. Kind of nice too. If you observe the Sunflowers, same there. He painted in a wild, energetic and spontaneous way... Hafspajen (talk) 02:49, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hm, well, you got me on that. I don't know why he said that, the Dutch curator at the museum, and it is not explained. The only thing I can come up with that he possibly (?) meant that van Gogh didn't always bought his paints in a tube or painted out of a tube - but made sometimes his own colors. He grounded the pigment and prepared it himself - but this doesn't sounds like a very good explanation. Hafspajen (talk) 11:54, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not quite sure what the nuances of this discussion are, but it's just a Giclée print whose characteristic is it's fidelity to the original (but it 2-D and not relief - one day that will happen of course). Point of my response was that the thought suddenly occurred to me that VGM in fact displays it Giclée reproductions on its pages. That's really quite possible. I'm not aware that van Gogh ground his own pigment. Van Gogh's method of working very much flavour of the month in van Gogh circles. I have Marije Vellekoop's recent Van Gogh at Work and there's no mention there. Perhaps he did for a while during one of his experimental phases, but certainly not as a regular practice. He was constantly asking his brother to order (and pay for) colours for him. I'm the sort of photographer who takes photos of other people looking at paintings BTW. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 22:44, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, that brother of him who never sold his pictures or made any advertisment for them. One should never trust only one manager. Sometimes he did, if I remember that right (reading his letters), but I said that it was not a very convincing explanation. The - Dutch curator just stops in the middle of the sentence so the rest is cut of. He could have said something more afterwards that put that in a context. Anyway, paint in tube is a fairly new invention- and most painers did made their own paint - in the history of painting... Hafspajen (talk) 23:39, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • The entire family an epic tragedy. Vincent a suicide, his brother Theo dead from neurosyphilis six months later, the remaining brother also a suicide, their younger sister Wil, an early feminist, sectioned 1902 and lingering on for some 40 years entirely unresponsive to her surroundings, and the other sister tormented by an illicit affair in her youth which saw her only child put out for adoption. That's what I call dysfunctional. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 00:06, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The image could be made from the files named 4-x-x.jpg in this folder. – Editør (talk) 10:40, 10 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
All files used for the zoom function are in open folders. – Editør (talk) 10:51, 10 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks for that. I'll try and put together their Potato Eaters if I can Coat of Many Colours (talk) 22:44, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Got the tiles. It's a straight forward 14 x 10 mosaic (at level 4). Ill stitch them with Mathematica, but it will involve some string manipulations opening files I don't normally do, so it will be a day or two I expect while I clue up on that. Should be 3586x2517 pixels and I'll overwrite Commons:File:Van-willem-vincent-gogh-die-kartoffelesser-03850.jpg with it, but I can tell you right now someone will come along and lighten it to their satisfaction. Still I'll have done my best. Thanks very much for pointing me to the folders. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 00:06, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Editør: Done at Commons:File:Van-willem-vincent-gogh-die-kartoffelesser-03850.jpg: I've included the code in the File Description for other Mathematica users who might like to upload other images. I'll see if the VGM has a better version of Starry Night and maybe upload others. I'll do this one as well. Thanks for the heads up on the folders.Coat of Many Colours (talk) 19:29, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nice! – Editør (talk) 10:14, 13 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It seems wise to check all versions on Commons first, because the image of Skull of a Skeleton with Burning Cigarette on the Van Gogh Museum website is not better than the one in the article. – Editør (talk) 10:35, 13 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that right. Starry Night (which is is in any case at MoMA) is represented on Commons by a massive 200 Mb something file. But I'll probably stitch and upload the much lower, but still high, resolution VGM offers to a separate file, Coat of Many Colours (talk) 10:56, 13 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Having had another look at it, I've also nominated the skull painting, because it is such high quality image. – Editør (talk) 11:41, 13 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Vincent van Gogh - Almond blossom - Google Art Project.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 17:40, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



National Bank Notes (Original/1875) set

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Reason
High quality, high EV (presented as a set). A complete denomination set of the first series of National Bank Notes. The design features both allegorical and historical vignettes, and engravings reproducing 7 of 8 paintings hanging in the Capitol Rotunda. The motivation for the Treasury Department's design selection was two-fold: educationally it would circulate images depicting important scenes from American history while at the same time enhancing the security of the note by involving highly complex engravings. There are three $500 notes known (two in government collections, one held privately), and the $1,000 note is unknown in issued form.

Each National Bank Note is signed (the present early examples by hand, but later often by rubber stamp) by the President (or Vice President) and Cashier (or Assistant Cashier) of the bank. The bank officers who signed the notes below include: one mining tycoon, two lawyers (one of which was a State senator, the other a State Supreme Court judge and law school Dean), 3 doctors (one a Civil War colonel, the other survived the Battle of Little Bighorn), and one Civil War general (see the primary article for links).
Original
A 9-note complete denomination type set of first issue National Bank Notes
Articles in which this image appears
Art and engraving on United States banknotes, National Bank Note
FP category for this image
Currency
Creator
American, Continental, and National Bank Note Companies under contract to the Bureau of Engraving and Printing
The $500 and $1,000 are from the National Numismatic Collection, NMAH, Smithsonian Institution.
Images by Godot13.
Denomination type set of first issue National Bank Notes
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    $1 Original Series
    First National Bank
    Lebanon, Indiana
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    $2 Series 1875
    First National Bank
    Emporia, Kansas
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    $5 Series 1875
    Vineland National Bank
    Vineland, New Jersey
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    $10 Series 1875
    First National Bank
    Bismarck, North Dakota
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    $20 Series 1875
    First National Bank
    Butte, Montana
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    $50 Series 1875
    First National Bank
    Cleveland, Ohio
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    $100 Original Series
    Raleigh National Bank
    Raleigh, North Carolina
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    $500 Original Series
    Appleton National Bank
    Lowell, Massachusetts
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    $1,000 Series 1875 (proof)
    First National Bank
    Salem, Massachusetts

Promoted File:US-NBN-IL-Lebanon-2057-Orig-1-400-C.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 23:42, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted File:US-NBN-KS-Emporia-1915-1875-2-1915-A.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 23:42, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted File:US-NBN-NJ-Vineland-2399-1875-5-2518-D.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 23:42, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted File:US-NBN-ND-Bismarck-2434-1875-10-2238-C.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 23:42, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted File:US-NBN-MT-Butte-2566-1875-20-4943-A.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 23:42, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted File:US-NBN-OH-Cleveland-7-1875-50-1711-A.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 23:42, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted File:US-NBN-NC-Raleigh-1557-Orig-100-761-A.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 23:42, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted File:US-NBN-MA-Lowell-986-Orig-500-206-A.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 23:42, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted File:US-$1000-NBN-1875-Fr-465 (Proof).jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 23:42, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Nusfjord Road

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Original – A mountain massif of Flakstadøya island backgrounding the road (Fylkesvei 807) to Nusfjord village, Lofoten, Nordland, Norway
Reason
Nice looking image
Articles in which this image appears
Flakstadøya, Scandinavian coastal conifer forests
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Places/Landscapes
Creator
Ximonic
Comment - can be fixed. Hafspajen (talk) 19:30, 10 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It's in the gallery at Lofoten, but very small. Perhaps User:EuroCarGT would like to move it up & resize? Sca (talk) 21:19, 10 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support a very atmospheric image. --Alchemist-hp (talk) 22:48, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I agree with Crisco about EV, and in addition to that, I sometimes find that exceptional atmospheric conditions like the sunset/sunrise through the mist end up misleading the viewer a little, or at the least distract. Although it's more difficult to give the image 'wow', regular conditions are more representative of what the region is actually like. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 09:10, 13 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. This is a pretty good image of Lofoten, when it rains, because - well, the conditions are different there. The sun never goes down in summer. It is pretty weird. It stays light all the time, it is never dark. I remember two o'clock in the night it was as light as in midday in June. It was never dark, one had to look at the watch to realize that it is midnight, because it is just slighly dawn-ish, nothing more. Later in the autumn, it is the reverse, than it is dark instead, it never gets light, it is this kind of darkish light most part of the day, it will never be real sunshine, just this darkish weird light. And both dawn and sunset is going on for a long time, sort of half darkish weird light, for hours. You can check here Civil twilight, at Duration. (Lofoten is above Trondheim). So I would say it is quite regular and representative conditions for Lofoten. Hafspajen (talk) 10:55, 13 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Nusfjord road, 2010 09.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 03:27, 20 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Chequered Skipper

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Original – The Chequered Skipper or Arctic Skipper (Carterocephalus palaemon) is a butterfly of the Hesperiidae family. This specimen was photographed in Laab im Walde, Austria.
Reason
High quality and attractive. The animal really stands out against the background.
Articles in which this image appears
Chequered Skipper
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Animals/Insects
Creator
Haeferl
How many are there, Haffy? Sca (talk) 18:14, 10 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
1, 2, 3 ... many.   Hafspajen (talk) 18:17, 10 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Laab im Walde - Bärenberg - Gelbwürfeliger Dickkopffalter (Carterocephalus palaemon).jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 08:40, 20 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Le Moulin de la Galette

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Original – The painting depicts an ordinary subject, a moment in the garden of the Moulin de la Galette- an afternoon when people gathered to dance, amuse themselves and have a good time - an impressionist snapshot of real life painted with visible brush strokes.
 
Alt 1 - Google Art Project 30,000 × 22,300 pixels 638 MP image
Reason
The picture is one of Impressionism's most celebrated masterpieces. The Impressionist approach to painting is usually identified with a strong concern for light in its changing qualities, often with an emphasis on the effects of a particular passage of time.
Articles in which this image appears
Bal du moulin de la Galette; Pierre-Auguste Renoir;

Music in Paris; Moulin de la Galette; + 9

FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Artwork/Paintings
Creator
Pierre-Auguste Renoir
  • Oppose Alt - I am sorry, but I am pretty sure that the colours are all wrong in Alt 1. It is not how this picture looks at all... because it looks like here and here. Alt2 has right colours but even less pixels then original, original has 2,200 × 1,639 while Alt 2 has only 1,740 × 1,293 pixels. I don't mind an alt, but it has to have the right colours. Hafspajen (talk) 15:47, 21 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
 
Alt 2 - Lightened in LCH space
  • This gets you into the Musée d'Orsay at Ph.D. level in Google's virtual tour. It's in room 32, fifth floor, two rooms to the left of this location. I must say it looks absolutely stunning under the lights (there's also an overhead vault letting in daylight). That remark of mine about gaslights obviously stupid. It seems the naughty French of those days held their dances in the afternoon. It seems plain that the Google Art Project image simply looks too dark, but that image is uniform across all the Musée d'Orsay pages featuring this painting that I've seen. I'm really not prepared to mess with it as a "Featured" nomination. Others may feel differently, but please don't vote for my tinkered version! And I'm sticking with the Google Art Project image, although I do agree there's an issue there. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 17:52, 21 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not Promoted --Armbrust The Homunculus 07:01, 22 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]


File:Bath, Somerset Panorama - April 2011.jpg

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Original – Bath, England as viewed from Alexandra Park.
Reason
It's a good view of an very easy on the eye city, Bath, England. There's plenty of detail and sharpness.
Articles in which this image appears
Bath, Somerset and List of cities in the United Kingdom
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Places/Urban
Creator
User:Diliff
  • Support as nominator – Ðiliff «» (Talk) 22:06, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - I'll be honest and say that the framing of the city between two trees/bushes almost threw me off this (the conjunction of the plants and the curved rail line gave me the impression of a wide-angle lens), but after seeing the full resolution version, I am quite pleased with what we have. Shame about the cut-off church at the bottom, but it appears that you could not have gotten the whole building in-frame because of the plant growth. (Unrelated note: the 100mm 2.8/f lens makes for some pretty nice panoramas, doesn't it? I've found the same for me too) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:17, 13 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yeah, the 100mm f/2.8 macro lens is very sharp. Most decent quality prime lenses will easily outperform even the most expensive zoom lenses though. As for the framing, I did consider cropping it a little tighter on the left side (and may still do so if people think it's better) but to really eliminate the bushes, it would need to be much tighter still and you'd lose too much of the city. It's not possible to get a better view from this hill without a really big ladder or a helicopter. :-) Ðiliff «» (Talk) 16:16, 13 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment It's a nice view, but it looks a bit washed out and bright. I'd do something on the upper part with a gradient filter to make up for the harsh light. I just played with it at home and it renders quite fine IMO, but in any way, it's better you do it from raw material. As a side note, doing so revealed some strange seams which I attribute to blending process. Inconsistencies between exposures perhaps ? - Blieusong (talk) 16:57, 13 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • If I recall correctly, Lightroom's adjustment brush/gradient includes the Clarity control, which has a strange ability to cut through haze. It might be selectively applied to bring out the weaker areas without overdoing the stronger ones. -- Colin°Talk 11:48, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      • True. I'll give it a go. I knew already that there was a bit of haze (if you look at the version history, you'll see this version is already an improvement!). I'm loathe to go back to the original raw files as it was taken with my old 5D Mk i and it didn't have an ultrasonic dust shaker on the sensor and it was very prone to collecting spots... each of the 21 segments has about 40 dust spots. Argh! Oh well, I'll go back and give it one more processing run and see if I can improve on the haze and washed out look. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 12:00, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. OK, as per above feedback, I've reprocessed the image to achieve less haze and a bit more contrast. I've also cropped the left side to remove the trees, and slightly on the right too. I actually prefer this framing now, although it is a little tighter. Crisco, I've also managed to recover a bit more of the church as a result. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 12:32, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Lots of detail and high EV. Reminds me of my own trip to Bath years ago, when I took lots of photos and then discovered the film wasn't winding on properly in the camera. -- Colin°Talk 07:22, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I'd have increased the contrast even further on the top part, but I think it's fine. I believe I still see seams (I sometimes have same issue) Moving ur head away from screen might help to see. If not, let me know and I'll go to the ophthalmologist. - Blieusong (talk) 22:29, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think you're right, I can see it's slightly darker in the top left corner (maybe the sun went behind the clouds during that frame), but they're very difficult to eliminate completely, and they only seem visible in the thumbnail. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 12:44, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Lovely, though it might be a smidgen saturated. Adam Cuerden (talk) 14:15, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think that's possibly due to the boosting of contrast, I didn't adjust the saturation at all. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 12:44, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      • I've found that contrast adjustments tend to up apparent saturation. It's because, in RGB colour space, stretching things along a dark-light axis also stretches out the differences between the R, G, and B channels For example, R:30, G:37, B,52 ([30,37,52] if the colours are stretched so that [[0,0,0], [127,127,127]] is stretched to [[0,0,0], [255,255,255]] will become [60,74,104]. Saturation is roughly equivalent to the differences between R, G, and B, so that's a much more saturated colour. Adam Cuerden (talk) 17:07, 20 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        • The adjustment controls in Lightroom and Camera Raw aren't simply altering the RGB values. I recommend "The Digital Negative" by Jeff Schewe for details (the book is mainly aimed at those using Adobe raw software). Lightroom manipulates all images in a 32-bit floating-point HDR space (vs 8-bit integer of JPG or 12-14 bit raw), which is why it natively supports the 32-bit HDR output of Photoshop's "Merge to HDR". The "Basic Panel" sliders are tone-mapping controls rather than simple levels controls, and their behaviour is designed to produce pleasing results (esp at extremes) rather than linear mathematical adjustment. Schewe says "Beware that in Lightroom and Camera Raw, increasing the contrast does increase the saturation of the image, while reducing contrast reduces saturation... Why is saturation connected to contrast? It really goes back to analog film. Thomas Knoll felt that altering contrast should alter saturation because that's the expected result when pushing or pulling film developmnet. It would be argued that it's not needed in digital, but then you would have to argue with Thomas... Personally, I don't have a problem with saturation changing with contrast changes." -- Colin°Talk 07:01, 21 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Bath, Somerset Panorama - April 2011.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 22:07, 22 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Skull with cigarette by Vincent van Gogh

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Original – The oil painting Skull of a Skeleton with Burning Cigarette (c. 1885–86) by Vincent van Gogh in the collection of the Van Gogh Museum in Amsterdam.
Reason
Highly detailed image of this striking painting by Vincent van Gogh.
Articles in which this image appears
Skull of a Skeleton with Burning Cigarette, Vincent van Gogh, List of works by Vincent van Gogh
FP category for this image
Artwork
Creator
Vincent van Gogh (painting)
Google Art Project (photo)
DcoetzeeBot (upload)
 
Vesalius - (1514-1564) and published in 1543.
  • Comment. It is not ahead of its time or unique at all. All painters have painted one or two or several pictures or paintings like this. It is part of the regular artist's education. Studies like this were used by artists to understand the problems involved in execution of the artists subjects - such as the human body. Studies like this can be traced back as long ago as the Italian Renaissance, for example Leonardo da Vinci's and Michelangelo's studies. Anatomical studies of the human body started with the physician Andreas Vesalius work of anatomical studies (except for Leonardo and such) to De humani corporis fabrica (On the fabric of the human body), published 1543, and it was a pioneering work of human anatomy illustrated by Titian's pupil Jan Stephen van Calcar, promoting the "anatomical" view of the body, seeing human internal functioning as an essentially corporeal structure filled with organs arranged in three-dimensional space. Standard depiction, part of any serious artis's education. (with the exception of those who walk around naked and call that art). One can find this kind of depictions hundreds of them - at any serious art school, probably better done then this one...Hafspajen (talk) 21:14, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, he was indeed at art school at the time in Antwerp. But there was more to it than that. His health had collapsed. He might well have been receiving treatment for syphilis. His teeth were literally falling out as a result and he was looking for excuses. Naifeh and Smith actually go so far as to describe it as his first self-portrait (p 489 n 419)! Coat of Many Colours (talk) 23:00, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Maybe there is a misunderstanding here. Modernist and Sca saw in this painting a warning about the health risks of smoking, which they considered ahead of Van Gogh's time. I don't think anyone was saying that painting skulls in itself is unique. – Editør (talk) 10:18, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
 
  • If it is so that he meant "Smoking is dangerous" - well, then he was indeed ahead of Van Gogh's time. But how does this explain all those selfportraits with pipes and so on. I think that it simply an ateljé-studio-joke. All those skeletons just inspire for this kind of jokes. Our studio skeleton had a tophat, baskers, a pink hat with roses, neckties, bow ties, a red rose between the teeth, was dressed up as Socrates and even had a kilt at some moment - in his spare time, when not need for drawings. Hafspajen (talk) 04:16, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ah, just read the in the article: Skull of a Skeleton with Burning Cigarette - is an undated painting by Vincent van Gogh, part of the permanent collection of the Van Gogh Museum in Amsterdam.ef name="vgmnl">{{cite web| url= http://www.vangoghmuseum.nl/vgm/index.jsp?page=1628&collection=619&lang=en |title=Skull of a Skeleton with Burning Cigarette, 1886| publisher= Van Gogh Museum| accessdate=2013-05-19| quote= This curious and somewhat macabre little painting is undated. It was probably executed in the winter of 1885–86, during Van Gogh’s stay in Antwerp....This skull with a cigarette was likely meant as a kind of joke, and probably also as a comment on conservative academic practice./ref It was probably painted in the winter of 1885–86 as a humorous comment on conservative academic practices,ef name="vgmnl"/> an assumption based on the fact that Van Gogh was in Antwerp at that time, attending classes at the Royal Academy of Fine Arts, classes he would later say were boring and taught him nothing.f name="Bundrick"/>.
    So, it does sound like a studio-joke alright, and probably a comment on how stupid those conservative academic practices were. Hafspajen (talk) 04:25, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nevertheless he certainly knew smoking was bad for his health. I included a couple of quotes from his Letters in the file description I provided. That doesn't make him "ahead of his time" of course, as it had long been a commonplace that smoking was very bad for your health. Nevertheless, imaging it like this very well might have been a first. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 10:44, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment — Alas, one is not an art historian. Having scanned for foregoing 1,000-word discussion, one perceives the atelier-joke nature of this work, which indeed is neither up to the artist's later standards nor predictive of late-20th century medical developments. Sca (talk) 14:17, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • As you know, an image doesn't need to be aesthetically pleasing to be featured. Also, the perception of the painting as a health warning or as an atelier-joke are only speculation. Would you please elaborate on the criteria the image is failing in your opinion? – Editør (talk) 15:22, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Vincent van Gogh - Head of a skeleton with a burning cigarette - Google Art Project.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 11:40, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Gabrielle et Jean

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Original – Gabrielle et Jean, an 1895-1896 painting by Pierre-Auguste Renoir. It depicts the artist's son, Jean Renoir, as an infant, with his nanny Gabrielle Renard.
Reason
High quality and a good depiction of the artist's family dynamic (the nanny as the frequent model, the son as a common subject). Both subjects are notable, as is the artist. As a side note, we don't seem to have any of Renoir's works featured yet.
Articles in which this image appears
Gabrielle Renard, Jean Renoir, Pierre-Auguste Renoir
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Artwork/Paintings
Creator
Pierre-Auguste Renoir

Promoted File:Gabrielle et Jean, by Pierre-Auguste Renoir, from C2RMF cropped.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 02:51, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



The Death of Socrates

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Original – The Death of Socrates, by Jacques-Louis David (1787)
Reason
Good quality and high EV
Articles in which this image appears
The Death of Socrates, Greece
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Artwork/Paintings
Creator
Jacques-Louis David (1748–1825)

Promoted File:David - The Death of Socrates.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 05:57, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Wilbert Robinson

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Original – Wilbert Robinson, American baseball catcher, coach, and manager.
Reason
I like to try and restore a few images connected to good work I've seen others doing. I found this one when reporting on the Wikicup for the WP:Signpost, and thought it had a lot of potential.
Articles in which this image appears
Wilbert Robinson, List of Major League Baseball hitters who have batted in 10 runs in one game
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured_pictures/People/Sport
Creator
Bain News Service, restored by Adam Cuerden

Promoted File:Wilbert Robinson 1916.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 12:15, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Tony Stewart on 2 wheels at Infineon

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Original – Tony Stewart at Infineon
Reason
Fantastic photo of one of NASCAR's top stars "Tony Stewart" up on 2 wheels on his way to win the race & the 2005 NASCAR Nextel Cup Series
Articles in which this image appears
NASCAR - 2005 NASCAR Nextel Cup Series - Tony Stewart - Joe Gibbs Racing - Sonoma Raceway - Toyota/Save Mart 350 - Stock car racing - Auto racing
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Vehicles/Land
Creator
WPPilot
  • Support as nominator – talk→ WPPilot  18:16, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Seems to be of pretty fair quality overall. Slight noise throughout, but not enough to warrant an Oppose. It may just be me, but the encyclopaedic value seems rather low... While it does contribute to the above articles, it would be nice to see the picture appear in other articles as well, as this would greatly increase it's value overall. Dusty777 03:46, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Dusty, I have included the photo in some additional pages, (see above) per your suggestion. --talk→ WPPilot  21:31, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support Per enhanced encyclopaedic value. (Is a pretty cool picture actually) Dusty777 18:37, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Crisco, yes that is the discoloration you see on the hood, that track is dirty and the cars, every one of them are beat up and thrashed, after racing on that track as it is one of only 2 road tracks that these cars race upon. The hood also has plates that are riveted into it, that may look out of place close up.talk→ WPPilot  17:16, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • A note: I've uploaded a new version of the file after running the original JPG through Noise Ninja. The specks are much less pronounced, so I think it works better, but feel free to revert if you disagree (you may have to purge your cache). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:44, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not Promoted --Armbrust The Homunculus 18:18, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Historical paintings engraved for U.S. banknotes

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Original
A seven-engraving design set of the first issue National Bank Note reverse based on historical paintings in the United States Capitol rotunda.
Reason
High quality, high EV (presented as a set). There are eight historical paintings hanging in the United States Capitol rotunda which depict scenes from early American exploration and colonization as well as the American Revolution. Due in large part to the national themes depicted, seven of these images were chosen as designs for the reverse of the first issue of the United States National Bank Note. Only the Surrender of Lord Cornwallis was not included (for reasons not revealed in Treasury Department correspondence).
This nomination includes the seven engravings that were made based on the Capitol Rotunda paintings. Underneath each caption is a link to the original art as a comparative reference. Each painting is 12 feet (3.66m) x 18 feet (5.49m). The vignette portion of the engraved plate is 2.5 inches (0.064 m) x 5 inches (0.13 m).
The original imprints come from a Department of the Treasury presentation book (believed to have been given to Lyman Gage). Scans were made with an Epson 10000XL scanner at 2,400dpi.
Articles in which these images appear
Art and engraving on United States banknotes (all), Steel engraving, and others.
FP category for this image
U.S. History
Creator
American, Continental, and National Bank Note Companies under contract to the Bureau of Engraving and Printing.
Restoration by Godot13.
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    Embarkation of the Pilgrims
    W.W. Rice
    Painting
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    Declaration of Independence
    Frederick Girsch
    Painting
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    Surrender of General Burgoyne
    Frederick Girsch
    Painting
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    Washington Resigning his Commission
    Girsch & Delnoce
    Painting


Promoted File:BEP-(Multiple)-Landing of Columbus (Vanderlyn).jpg Armbrust The Homunculus 00:13, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted File:BEP-GIRSCH-DeSoto Discovering the Mississippi (Powell).jpg Armbrust The Homunculus 00:13, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted File:BEP-BURT-Baptism of Pocahontas (Chapman).jpg Armbrust The Homunculus 00:13, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted File:BEP-RICE-Embarkation of the Pilgrims (Weir).jpg Armbrust The Homunculus 00:13, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted File:BEP-GIRSCH-Declaration of Independence (Trumbull).jpg Armbrust The Homunculus 00:13, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted File:BEP-GIRSCH-Surrender of General Burgoyne (Trumbull).jpg Armbrust The Homunculus 00:13, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted File:BEP-DELNOCE & GIRSCH-Washington Resigning his Commission (Trumbull).jpg Armbrust The Homunculus 00:13, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Blue Lagoon (geothermal spa)

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Original – Iceland's Blue Lagoon at the Blue Hour. The Blue Lagoon is a spa located in a lava field in Grindavík on the Reykjanes Peninsula.
Reason
High quality and an attractive illustration
Articles in which this image appears
Blue Lagoon (geothermal spa)
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Places/Landscapes
Creator
Sarah1990

Not Promoted --Armbrust The Homunculus 06:02, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



The Screaming Skull

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Original – The Screaming Skull (1958) poster
Reason
Good scan and high EV - aritlce is GA
Articles in which this image appears
The Screaming Skull, Alex Nicol
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Culture, entertainment, and lifestyle/Entertainment
Creator
Employee(s) of National Screen Service Corp. (uploaded by Crisco 1492)

Not Promoted --Armbrust The Homunculus 19:42, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



SMS Seeadler

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Original – SMS Seeadler, a German Imperial Navy unprotected cruiser.
Reason
The last nomination got very little input, and, as to the one objection raised, I do not think it was particularly valid: There may, in theory, be other photographs of the ship, but they are most likely undigitized in some dark collection; I can't find any evidence of any others available of even moderately comparable value. Cropped to balance sky, sea, and smoke (Wikipedia's thumbnailing only really cares about width, anyway.), while including the smoke that shows its means of power.
Articles in which this image appears
SMS Seeadler
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Vehicles/Water
Creator
Detroit Photographic Co.; restoration by Adam Cuerden

Promoted File:SMS Seeadler cropped.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 20:27, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Edwin Landseer - Scene from A Midsummer Night's Dream

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Original – Act IV, scene I. Shakespeare's Titania is engaged in a marital quarrel with her husband Oberon. This quarrel results in a mess. Nick Bottom, the weaver, has been given the head of an donkey by Puck, who feels it is better suited to his character, while Titania is made to fall in love with this primitive, rude, crude and unpolished character.
Reason
A Midsummer Night's Dream is a comedy play by William Shakespeare, believed to have been written between 1590 and 1596. In Great Britain from the 13th century, Midsummer was celebrated on Midsummer Eve (St. John's Eve, June 23) and St. Peter's Eve (June 28) with the lighting of bonfires, feasting and merrymaking. The play is one of Shakespeare's most popular works for the stage and is widely performed across the world.
Articles in which this image appears
A Midsummer Night's Dream; Edwin Landseer; Rabbits and hares in art
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Artwork/Paintings
Creator
Edwin Landseer

Promoted File:Edwin Landseer - Scene from A Midsummer Night's Dream. Titania and Bottom - Google Art Project.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 22:26, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Bindo Altoviti by Raphael

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Original – In 1515, five hundred years ago this young Florentine banker was depicted by the great master Raphael as a beautiful young man with grey eyes and flowing blond hair over his shoulders. In the artist’s conception, Bindo Altoviti just turns over his shoulder as if to speak to his Florentine bride, Fiammetta.
Reason
Portrait of Bindo Altoviti is one of the great Renaissance portraits. Raphael and the Beautiful Banker: The Story of the Bindo Altoviti Portrait
The painting is made by Raphael, Italian painter and architect of the High Renaissance. Bindo Altoviti was a rich banker born in Rome in 1491, but of Florentine origin. Bindo Altoviti was a cultured man who loved the arts. Raphael was at the time influenced by the works of Leonardo, which he studied during this period, for example the darkness in front of the figure is not a characteristic trait of Raphael's paintings. The artwork is curently at National Gallery of Art in Washington, D.C.
Articles in which this image appears
Portrait of Bindo Altoviti (Raphael); Raphaello Sanzio; List of paintings by Raphael
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Artwork/Paintings
Creator
Raphaello Sanzio or Raphael Santi or simply Raphael

Promoted File:Raphael - Bindo Altoviti - Google Art Project.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 01:11, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Portrait of Jeanne d'Aragon by Raphael

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Original – Jeanne d'Aragon or Dona Isabel de Requesens is depicted circa 1518, wears a rich dark red robe and the wide, open sleeves are gathered in front with ornamented bands, and the texture of the gold and velvet is almost touchable. Every trade has its master, and Raphael is one of the great portrait painters of the Renaissance.
Reason
Portrait of Dona Isabel de Requesens, Lady Viceroy of Naples, formerly known as Portrait of Jeanne d’Aragon. This work is now attributed to Raphael (Raffaello Santi), and even Giulio Romano a pupil of Raphael. Raphael was an Italian painter and architect of the High Renaissance. Together with Michelangelo and Leonardo da Vinci, Raphael was considered as the best of great masters of the Renaissance.[1] It was not unusual that great masters had a workshop, when they became famous - usually the master painted the face and hands and the more elaborate details, while the pupil will paint the background, and less important parts of the peainting. The portrait is showing skill depicting the portrait, textile and textures.[9]
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  1. ^ See, for example Honour, Hugh; Fleming, John (1982). A World History of Art. London: Macmillan Reference Books. p. 357. ISBN 9780333235836. OCLC 8828368.
Articles in which this image appears
Giovanna d'Aragona; Duchy of Alvito; Ramón de Cardona;
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Artwork/Paintings
Creator
Raphaello Sanzio or Raphael Santi or simply Raphael
  • Support as nominator – Hafspajen (talk) 02:22, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - No way. I don't have enough computer memory to process these enormous images, but I did manage to get the retouching editor's last effort at FPC into Nikon X2 long enough to see that basically what's he's doing is "equalizing" the histogram (essentially pushing the "auto-level" button). That may be appropriate for a digital image, but it won't do for an art image. These images have simply aged, and they darken for a variety of complex reasons. Only expert restoration can bring them back to an approximation of their original appearance. This kind of processing is just silly, inauthentic, and derisory. The original still beautiful: " ... thy eternal summer shall not fade / Nor lose possession of that fair thou ow'st": but this is just horrible, a kind of art botox. Not on my account, sorry. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 05:18, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Whatever. But please don't start changing the file. And if you think that your van Gogh you nominated or any other artwork has not been restaurated at the museums you are in error. Art botox, eh? All artworks are regularly restaurated, cleaned and messed with at all museums, all over the world, addressing problems of chemical and physical deterioration, and performing corrective treatment based on an evaluation of the aesthetic, historic, and scientific characteristics of the object. Latest and probably not so good example is Michelangelo's works at the Sistine chapel. Hafspajen (talk) 06:20, 18 July 2014(UTC)
 
Daniel, before and after restoration.
  • I believe that Adobe handles up to 30k pixels in each direction (at least, natively). Now how well one's computer can cope... that's a different story. My laptop (8gb RAM, Intel Core i5-3210M, NVIDIA GeForce GT630M) starts bogging up around 200 mp, like the scan of a banknote I made the other day. (Gets even worse once we add new layers, but then you weren't doing that). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:50, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Coat, you'd need to use the large image viewer and/or download the image to see it. Browsers crash at this resolution, not owing to a lack of computing power, but owing to their own limitations. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:38, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • WP?#8 is fairly clear on the subject. We know from other examples that images like these are likely to be picked up and sold commercially as posters. Wikipedia shouldn't be placing a seal of approval on such images. They are inauthentic. Of course I have no objection to Dcoetzee uploading derivative files such as these, but I really can't see how they satisfy WP?#8, the basis of my objection. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 11:19, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
 
ALT - But right, that has a FRAME. AND, I think that the original is probably much more like the one painting Raphael once painted, to be sincere. If Raphael would come back to look, he would recognize his work more when looking at original - and not Alt.
  • That is your objection. I trust Dcoetzee when it comes to this, also. It looks to me like any other regular old Renaissance portrait made by Raphael. And you couldn't even look at it. There is no real difference beteewen this and the one presented at La Petite larousse or here att the www.larousse.encyclopedie. And the gown was probably clear strong red - much much more reddish than this one - when it was painted. And Dcoetzee is a trusted editor. Hafspajen (talk) 16:35, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Boje moy! Chto xudshee sanskrtiskee akkcentee ya kagdee-libo slishal. Hope that's right, French was never my strong point. I'll try to beg, borrow, or steal a high resolution image of theMadonna with the Goldfinch, failing which (likely the Uffizi being what it is) I'll just upload a photoshopped version of what I would have done if I had painted this great masterpiece myself. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 18:16, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • The point about the image of the Raphael restoration I uploaded was its subtlety, quite unlike the chocolate botox kitsch of trusty old DCoetzee's restoration nominated here. I've told Hafs that in future I will oppose these kind of nominations as "inauthentic WP?#8". If he can't handle an editor opposing his nomination stating a valid reason citing the guidelines and makes an issue of it, then he must expect a response. If he tries his hand at wit and subtlety, then he must expect me to respond in kind. No lady, no gent moi BTW. Got that quite wrong. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 00:43, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
 
This is the kind of colour revival that should be avoided
 
And this is the kind of reference standard we should be aiming for
  • And I told you I don't agree. The WP?#8 say - Digital manipulation for the purpose of correcting flaws in a photographic image is generally acceptable provided it is limited, well-done, and not deceptive - a picture should:
  1. Avoid inappropriate digital manipulation.
    • Digital manipulation for the purpose of correcting flaws in a photographic image is generally acceptable provided it is limited, well-done, and not deceptive.
    • Typical acceptable manipulation includes cropping, perspective correction, sharpening/blurring, and colour/exposure correction.
    • More extensive manipulation should be clearly described in the image text.
    • Any manipulation which causes the main subject to be misrepresented is unacceptable.
    • Note that this criterion is not relevant to vector-based SVG images, as the entire image is a digital construction.
  • None of the above criteria forbidden applies on the Original, no manipulation that caused the main subject to be misrepresented. You made your point - and it is now enough. Let other editors have some space too. Hafspajen (talk) 01:14, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have no opinion on the nomination. The only changes I made to the image were to adjust levels (manually using the Curves function in Photoshop), and solely because some parts of the original were dark and difficult to see when surrounded by whitespace in the context of an article. I don't think it's more authentic or better - C2RMF's images are very authentic professional works - and when viewed fullscreen or surrounded by black space, I think C2RMF's images look better as well. Again, this image was really just intended for use at thumbnail size in articles, not for any other use. I am not a professional in restoration or art history and no special trust should be placed in me. Dcoetzee 14:44, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you Dcoetzee for passing by. I was now checking around in all kinds of screens - for a while; and Alt1 is simply too dark on most small screens. The picture is going to be displayed on all sorts of screens - and unfortunately not Alt1 is not very visible, too dark. It is a quite valid reason for Dcoetzee edits, since we use this on Wikipedia.
    Also I think this kind of language used in this nomination like: horrible, a kind of art botox, just silly, inauthentic, and derisory, and you're wilfully not going to get the point , Chto xudshee sanskrtiskee akkcentee ya kagdee-libo slishal and the rest of similar expressions as: chocolate botox kitsch of trusty old DCoetzee's restoration and other personal attacs like he tries his hand at wit and subtlety, then he must expect me to respond in kind - should not be alowed to be used more in any nominations, not here, not anywhere. It is framed in with red: Please remember to be civil, ...+ to comment on the image, not the person. Which is why we have "All objections should be accompanied by a specific rationale that, if addressed, would make you support the image." right at the top of this page. If civil comments would have been used, I doubt there would have been any comments regarding said oppose. But no, we've gotten this kind of expressions five or six times. It's just plain disrespectful; and this kind of behaviour is seriously wrong. Hafspajen (talk) 16:57, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
 
Portrait of Dona Isabel de Requesens, marked both Giulio Romano and Raphael
  • Don't you make comments in the MIDDLE OF THE nomination text, like you did HERE, got that? And what you added is old news, and there is a file Portrait of Dona Isabel de Requesens, marked both Giulio Romano and Raphael, since 28 May 2008. Not exactly unusual that pictures are attributed several artists. I would be thankful if you would really stop now editing this nomination, you made enought damage already, thank you. You don't know as much about art as you try to give the impression of. Hafspajen Wade Retro (talk) 03:03, 24 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • The point is the nomination no longer has EV. It doesn't have EV because the painting is not by Raphael (not listed by the Louvre as such) and it doesn't have EV as a portrait of the Duchess of Malfi otherwise. That surely was worth highlighting at the outset once discovered. I'm not trying to 'destroy' your nomination. That's your take. I'm simply pointing out that the image sucks. Get over it and move on. Stop caring so much. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 20:10, 26 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have to seriously ask you stop editing this nomination, stop posting more pictures here ( I removed some new ones added here again) and stop adding comments like this image sucks and now I am asking for administrators intervention agains Wikipedia:Harassment on this nomination, Drmies.
    And also ask for stop telling Fylbecatulous not to vote here, above in the nomination The Scream. Raphael lived 1483-1520 and Jeanne d'Aragon lived 1502–1575, it is not impossible for him to paint it. I care because it is my nomination, because it is a beautiful picture, it has character, grace and it is lovely. If it is attributed to several painters - this kind of doubt happens in the world of art history. Why do you care som much, that is on the other hand a mystery. Hafspajen (talk) 22:55, 26 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Raphael retouched the face because he was worried about the comparison his patron Francis I would make with the Mona Lisa, which he also owned. It was not a portrait of the Duchess of Malfi, but rather the wife of the viceroy of Naples, a very celebrated beauty of the time. Raphael couldn't undertake the commission, so he sent his pupil Giulio Romano instead. It couldn't possibly be a portrait of Jeanne d'Aragon (Duchess of Malfi) because she was no older than sixteen at the time and the painting is clearly sensuous (erotic) in accordance with Francis 1's avowed taste in portraiture. Even an image of her with her hair tumbling down would have quite unthinkable for a sixteen year unmarried girl, not to mention its other features that would not have escaped the attention of a medieval masturbator. HTH. And yes, it's a beautiful painting. What a shame the image you propose to feature is so completely hideous. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 00:27, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • What a shame that you are using such words as completely hideous and medieval masturbator, that you are still editing the nomination after being asked several times not to, and what a shame that you are a truly disruptive editor, but nobody dares tell you that. Hafspajen (talk) 00:34, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • And - you are assuming above a great deal. People in the Middle Ages and Renaissance were getting married when 14 - 15 and cetainly a painting of a girl at the of 16 in the Renaissance should be clearly sensuous because it was an age when girls were about to marry. Not American standards. Could have been a portrait to show for a rich bachelor - no snapshots at the time. Hafspajen (talk) 04:50, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hafs, that's nonsense. The painting is not by Raphael. He may have intervened on the face and the painting may have been have been based on a design by him, but the only source for that is Vasari. We have in Raphael's own handwriting documentation testifying that he depatched his ablest student Giulio Romano to execute the painting. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 05:08, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • The painting is The workshop and school of Rafael - and the master always took care that the paintings coming out of his workshop were well done. And what - we don't even know for sure who exacly Mona Lisa is - that doesn't mean that the painting is not one of the greatest Renaissance portraits. And have you seen what kind of paintings Giulio Romano cames up with? No good quality - but this one is marvelous. He could not have done this alone... Hafspajen (talk) 05:30, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is the image held in the Louvre database. Its title is "Giulio Romano, peut-être avec l’intervention de Raphaël, Portrait de Doña Isabel de Requesens y Enríquez de Cardona-Anglesola, 1518" ("Giulio Romano, possibly with the intervention of Raphaël, Portrait of Doña Isabel de Requesens y Enríquez de Cardona-Anglesola, 1518"). As I say you won't find this painting searching under "Raphael" in the museum catalogue. Romano was a master draughtsman, given important commissions in his lifetime. His was perfectly capable of painting this work and that he did do is attested by Raphael himself. The Mona Lisa is iconic in its own right, but this painting on the face of it has no EV, not by a great master and of only minor historic importance. It shouldn't be a Featured Picture. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 17:33, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not Promoted --Armbrust The Homunculus 06:03, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Garibalbi Lake

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Original – Garibaldi Lake in Garibaldi Provincial Park, British Columbia, Canada
Reason
Encyclopedic image, attractive aesthetics
Articles in which this image appears
Garibaldi Provincial Park and just added to Garibaldi Lake
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Places/Landscapes
Creator
Andysonic777

Not Promoted --Armbrust The Homunculus 06:39, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Indonesian rice farmer

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Original – A farmer harvesting rice in Ambarawa, Central Java, just north of Kampoeng Rawa.
Reason
High technical quality, interesting contrast between the individual and the rice which must be harvested. Costume is common for rice harvests. This will probably be my last nomination from the trip to Semarang last month.
Articles in which this image appears
Rice production in Indonesia, Kampoeng Rawa
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/People/Traditional dress, maybe?
Creator
Chris Woodrich
  • Comment Isn't it rather soft? Coat of Many Colours (talk) 11:22, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • My kit lens is admittedly a bit soft (the panoramas you've seen are downsampled by about 15–20% for sharpness), but I believe the key parts of this image are sharp enough without downsampling. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:38, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Why you cropped it? To remove the "distracting element" on right? The people far behind give me a better feeling about the environment than this farmer, isolated. Jee 15:58, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • I cropped it in rather than out because I agreed with the QI review comment that the cut-off lean-to (for lack of a better word) was distracting. Had I gone up (and kept the lean-to), then the horizon would have come in and the illusion of endless fields of rice would have been broken. I didn't want to lose that effect, so I went in. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:26, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose. It's a good photo image compositionally (although if you're not going to include the horizon, I would crop it a little further and remove the line at the top), but image quality isn't stellar and it doesn't really have a lot of wow. Not quite enough to push it over the line. Ðiliff «» (Talk) 14:39, 20 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I think the photo lacks something. I think if something -- people, buildings, trees, or water -- were in the distance, it would give more of an impression of the vastness of the field, not less. CorinneSD (talk) 21:50, 20 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not Promoted --Armbrust The Homunculus 06:45, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Cheakamus Lake

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Original – Cheakamus Lake at dawn
Reason
Striking image, encyclopedic subject
Articles in which this image appears
Cheakamus Lake, British Columbia, and just added to Garibaldi Provincial Park
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Places/Landscapes
Creator
Zorbzorb123

Not Promoted --Armbrust The Homunculus 06:46, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



File:Coventry Cathedral Interior, West Midlands, UK - Diliff.jpg

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Original – Coventry Cathedral
Reason
I apologise in advance because I'm probably going to end up spamming FPC with cathedral nominations before long. I recently went on a four day cathedral photography trip funded by Wikimedia UK and photographed a large number of them. Anyway, I thought I'd start with something a bit different. Coventry Cathedral was bombed during WW2 and rebuilt in a modernist style in the 50s. As the main visual interest is split between the view down the aisle and the large stained glass wall at the entrance, I needed to use an off-centred point of view to capture it.
Articles in which this image appears
Coventry Cathedral
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Places/Interiors
Creator
User:Diliff
It is, isn't it?   Hafspajen (talk) 01:21, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Coventry Cathedral Interior, West Midlands, UK - Diliff.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 15:38, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



The Fall of the Rebel Angels

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Original – The Fall of the Rebel Angels, a 1562 painting by Flemish artist Pieter Bruegel the Elder.
 
Not nominated - illustrating lightening in LCH colour space.
 
Alternate illustration of possible lightening; exposure +0.4, levels -4
Reason
One of those astonishing paintings, somewhat Boschian (although the contrast and lighting here look better, I hope Google Art didn't mess something again).
Articles in which this image appears
The Fall of the Rebel Angels (Bruegel), List of paintings by Pieter Bruegel the Elder, War in Heaven
FP category for this image
Artwork/Paintings
Creator
Pieter Bruegel the Elder
  • Yes, that's right. The same with the Raphael images recently nominated here at at Commons. The trouble is that darkening is the result of aging, not (say) underexposure in a photograph, and can't be corrected digitally (nor in reality can it indeed be in a photograph as, unlike overexposure, the information was never there in the first place). So I would say in a Featured Picture we shouldn't be adjusting, unless we have good reason to suppose it's an artefact of the image rather than the photograph itself. But, picking up on a remark by DCoetzee below, I do think there's a case for doing that so as top provide thumbnails and the like. But these really shouldn't, in my opinion, be nominated as "Featured", and I think better reduced in the first place to avoid that. This evening I'll have a go at that to indicate what I have in mind and post back here. As to whether rather dull images such as we have here for nomination should really be "Featured", I do think that's a question to be debated another day perhaps.Coat of Many Colours (talk) 16:46, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I've thumbnailed a version lightened in LCH space using the Nikon Capture X2 AutoContrast tool. The idea is to adjust the contrast without affecting the hues or saturation of the colours. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 19:36, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The version on the official site of the Belgian Royal Museums of Fine Arts may be correct, it's closer to the Google Art version rather than that currently in the article on painting. Brandmeistertalk 20:06, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, indeed. I noticed that too. Incredibly hard to find that website by the way. I wanted this page in connection with the article start for Little Girl in a Blue Armchair I provided, but it drove me absolutely bonkers finding it. I do think the Google image you nominated is worth Featuring. It's unfortunate that thumbnail size it's pretty unprepossessing. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 21:47, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • No! Inauthentic WP:FP?#8. There's no reason to suppose the Google Art Project image is anything other than an accurate (faithful representation) of the painting as it is today and on the contrary every reason to suppose that it is because it's hard to imagine Google deliberately providing an image misrepresenting the painting in such an unattractive way. There is, as acknowledged by me above and remarked by DCoetzee below in connection with his image, a place for retouching the image in thumbnails and the like, but not here as expressly envisaged by the guidelines. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 03:43, 20 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • As with many other Google art scans, it is overly dark, which reduces the EV. This is fixable without the "auto-levels" you claim are manifested in every digital attempt at restoration. I don't think any serious editor is stupid enough to just click "auto-levels". — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:48, 20 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, I can understand that, but I'm curious to know whether you know for a fact that the image is dark, rather than the painting itself, presumably dark from age I would say. Some paintings of course are dark by design. The Potato Eaters or The Angelus amongst recently discussed here. I don't really see why they should be barred from "Featured Pictures" just for that reason. Likewise paintings, such as here in my estimation, which have darkened with age and cannot be restored by digital processing. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 04:24, 20 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
And regarding your alternative lightening image, you still haven't equalised the histogram and the result is demonstrably less successful than mine.All AutoLevels does is map the palest tone to pure white and the darkest tone to pure black and interploate linearly mid-tones. If you want to further adjust mid-tones as well (gamma) then a separate edit on the curve will accomplish that. In your image the full tonal range is still not represented. However if you were to attempt this (I haven't tried) in three channel RGB space you would almost certainly interfere with colour balances. In the case of the Romano (school of Raphael) image below, the result was an unpleasant yellow colour cast. The appropriate colour space to use is LCH as used by me above. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 05:53, 20 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not Promoted --Armbrust The Homunculus 17:13, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



File:Salisbury Cathedral Lady Chapel 2, Wiltshire, UK - Diliff.jpg

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Original – The lady chapel in Salisbury Cathedral, Wiltshire, England.
Reason
It's a beautiful section of Salisbury Cathedral, which in itself is quite an attractive cathedral in general. Although the blues of the stained glass are quite vivid in the image, they were even more impressive in person, and really contrasted nicely against the peachy hues of the chapel walls and ceiling. Pictured below the stained glass is an installation by artist Nicholas Pope called "The Apostles Speaking in Tongues Lit By Their Own Lamps".
Articles in which this image appears
Salisbury Cathedral and Nicholas Pope
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Places/Interiors
Creator
User:Diliff

Promoted File:Salisbury Cathedral Lady Chapel 2, Wiltshire, UK - Diliff.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 14:56, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Northern mockingbird

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Original – An adult Northern mockingbird (Mimus polyglottos) in New Hampshire
Reason
Much larger image than the one it just replaced as the lede image for the Northern mockingbird article. Because of the increase in quality I feel that waiting 7 days is unnecessary. The file is already in use on the English, French, Spanish, and other language Wikipedias.
Articles in which this image appears
Northern mockingbird, List of U.S. state birds, Hidalgo (state), Michoacán
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Animals/Birds
Creator
Captain-tucker
That's a pretty classy edit which gets my seal of approval. Much improved. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 14:11, 21 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Crisco 1492, great job with the edit there. But still, IMHO, from what I have learnt through my time at FPC, leaves look overexposed causing distraction from the main subject. The quality of the image is still not as per the FP standards for bird pics. I would like to know what Ðiliff thinks about it. Nikhil (talk) 15:41, 21 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's no way to entirely fix the exposure (there's just no detail on some of those leaves), sadly, but dropping the highlights by 10 or 15% might minimize the glare while avoiding most of the icky grey that comes from reducing highlights too much. Of course, I'll wait for Diliff to weigh in before toying with this. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:00, 21 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Off topic I know, but any twitchers here able to identify this for me? I want it to be something fantastically rare of course. Taken a few weeks ago somewhere in the EU quite a lot to the left of anywhere on the map. Snapped without fill-in flash, so that eye-colour is natural. It's the eye colour that defeats me. Location was an old train embankment in a woody area. Thanks. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 22:01, 21 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not Promoted --Armbrust The Homunculus 09:04, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



File:Worcester Cathedral Cloister, Worcestershire, UK - Diliff.jpg

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Original – The cloister of Worcester Cathedral, Worcestershire, England.
Reason
It's an interesting view of the cloister of Worcester Cathedral. As HDR tone mapping was used (and is used in virtually all my interiors), some detail of the cathedral is visible through the glass windows. This would normally be washed out (and probably the shadow detail would also be lost, as it's an extremely contrasty scene). In the foreground on the left is (I believe) an old radiator used to keep the cloister heated in winter.
Articles in which this image appears
Worcester Cathedral
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Places/Interiors
Creator
User:Diliff

Promoted File:Worcester Cathedral Cloister, Worcestershire, UK - Diliff.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 13:54, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Luncheon on the Grass

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Original – Luncheon on the Grass which provoked the outrage of the French society over the model painted without her clothes together with two fully dessed men.
Reason
Manet created a scandal when he exhibited Le déjeuner sur l'herbe, in which a model is depicted naked. Portraits and nudes even without a pretense to allegorical or mythological meaning were a fairly common genre of art during all centuries. Paintings of non-allegoric depictions of nude females were not uncommon, especially paintings of mistresses and lovers of kings, dukes and other aristocrats and mistresses and wives of the artists. Luncheon on the Grass was different in only one way, it was exhibited on a public art exhibition and was a profane female nude depicted in a contemporary enviroment.
Articles in which this image appears
The Luncheon on the Grass; Salon des Refusés; Succès de scandale; A Woman with No Clothes On;1863 in art; Édouard Manet; + c. 12 more
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Artwork/Paintings
Creator
Édouard Manet

Promoted File:Edouard Manet - Luncheon on the Grass - Google Art Project.jpg --Armbrust The Homunculus 20:49, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



Auguste Renoir - Dance at Le Moulin de la Galette

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Original – Auguste Renoir - Dance at Le Moulin de la Galette
 
Detail
 
Smaller version (ex Whitney)
Reason
One of Renoir's most iconic images. A Google Art Project Gigapixel image (638 MP)
Articles in which this image appears
Bal du moulin de la Galette
FP category for this image
Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Artwork/Paintings
Creator
Pierre-Auguste Renoir
  • I spent significant time contributing to the last nomination. The original file nominated was effectively unsourced (i.e. sourced to the museum but the actual image significantly edited - this happens all the time). I noted that with a neutral "Comment". Another long-standing editor then opposed the nomination on the grounds that it lacked sufficient pixels given the size of the painting. At that point I proposed the Google Gigapixel image as an alternative and constructively (and cooperatively) debated the subsequent objection about the colour values. Late yesterday evening I was astonished to discover all that significant input "withdrawn".
    I think there is a debate that should be had here about the authenticity of so-called "Featured" images of works of art. You will forgive me for reaching the conclusion that this is not the place to pursue the debate. I am simply not prepared to invest the time when I am treated like this. Over at Commons I made a nomination Commons:Featured_picture_candidates#File:Johannes_Vermeer_-_Girl_with_a_Pearl_Earring_-_Maurtishuis_670.jpg regarding the so-called "Dutch Mona Lisa", one of the best loved paintings in the world and certainly by me from my very earliest childhood, nevertheless a painting whose "Featured" image on Commons is an absolute travesty of the original, frankly a parody, which I think effectively encapsulates the problems we are facing with these Featured pictures.
    I shall continue to vote here. I rather enjoy looking at the "own work" images uploaded by editors here and would certainly wish to support their efforts. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 05:35, 22 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • As for this image, all I can say is that the thumbnail does indeed suck , but when I get it into Windows Live Photo Gallery screen size it's absolutely beautiful and as I mentioned VintPrint do it for their poster. The only pity is that it won't zoom for me because the file is far too large, and in fact I don't have any applications that will accept it. I don't know why thumbnails of these Gigapixel images suck so. I have suggested what seems to me a sensible workround in LCH space, rather better I suggest than DCoetzee's Photoshop Curves edits, which introduce unpleasant colour casts as they must when you are equalising 10% or more of the histogram in RGB space in this way, but I didn't receive a single constructive remark about that. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 07:09, 22 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... oh, and BTW, the version originally uploaded is not the version in the Musée d'Orsay, but rather a smaller version sold for a record price by Sotheby's in 1990 and now in a Swiss private collection. HTH. Of course one would be so very grateful and obliged were the d'Orsay version I nominate here to receive support. Thank you all so very much. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 16:34, 22 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually not it turns out, but it is unsourced and it emphatically is not is the museum image. I've got the Sotheby's image now and scanned it, but it was from a foldout and I'm going bonkers learning how to Inpaint the crease out, so it may be a day or two before I can get it in. It's almost exactly the same, but there are some minor differences (for example the central figure leaning over lacks an earring). The catalogue reproduces the d'Orsay image in the same 'dark green' colours as the museum image. Yet another source that unfortunately doesn't process its reproductions properly. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 23:31, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose Hey...whoever took the photograph did their best and it just isn't good enough. This artist's use of color can be difficult to capture in the low lighting of a museum. Trust me...I know this from experience.[10]. Perhaps one day when working with GLAM we can get better images but we can't just hand this a Feature status because it has more pixels. As Hafspajen states, this image has a greenish hue and I also note is far too dark.--Mark Miller (talk) 06:20, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nevertheless it's the image used by VintPrint and Google. It's the thumbnail that looks green. The image itself at 100% is stunning. Remember the thumbnailing process is a simple algorithm that averages pixel values. It may not be equally effective for all images. It's the image we should be judging and not its thumbnail. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 07:46, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've added a detail from the original so editors can judge closer to the mark (it still needs to be opened). An interesting feature of this painting is that it depicts both natural and artificial light (gaslight), a combination I suspect we are not too familiar with today. I should think that's where most of the grief is coming from here. To repeat, my comment (it was not an oppose) about the previous nomination was simply that the image was unsourced. i.e. to say it plainly was not the museum image as the file claimed. I simply can't find a plausible candidate for the original image nominated. At least a couple of websites suggest that is in fact an image of an earlier version auctioned 1990. I've ordered the relevant catalogue and will upload a (sourced) image of that in time.
    Done my best here. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 09:45, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • To clarify, what I'm suggesting is that Renoir might well have laid down a thin glaze of a greenish hue to suggest gaslight. If that is so, then the presence of that in every single pixel might well get concentrated down in the thumbnail. To repeat, it's the original we should be judging, not the thumbnail. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 11:25, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • That seems to assume a great deal. Your argument does not convince me but mainly because you are emphasizing things that are not relevant and are just guesses. Having VintPrint and Google use this image is not a standard for feature Picture. I would like to see a true "own work" uploaded. Where is this painting located now?--Mark Miller (talk) 21:14, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've already made the tests and I can confirm that is what seems to be the problem here, on the assumption of course that Renoir did lay down the sort of glaze I suggest. But I don't know this painting at all, though I must have walked past it literally dozens, even hundreds, of times. I don't really care very much for Renoir.
    There are two versions of this painting. An earlier smaller version of the painting which I gather is not so atmospheric nor well defined. This is the version that was formerly in the Whitney collection and was sold for a record price in 1990 to a Japanese shipping magnate and since, allegedly, by private sale to a Swiss collector. I've never seen this painting, nor can I find a convincigly sourced image of it and as far as I know it hasn't been exhibited since 1990. I've ordered the 1990 sale catalogue and if possible will upload a scan to Commons.
    The other version is in the Musee D'orsay. It's an exact copy in every detail of the original, but it's larger. In the course of what I took to be a perfectly ordinary discussion in the last nomination, I gave the Google Virtual Tour location of this painting, which provoked the nominating editor to withdraw his nomination. Here is is again, though you have to walk a couple of rooms to the left of this point (to room 32, fifth floor)Ah it's more complicated. Take the lift to the fifth floor. Which room you end up in seems pretty random. In the strip of thumbnails below, click on Luncheon on the Grass (nominated below). That will take you to the room with Whistler's Mother. Now walk two rooms to the left. It looks absolutely stunning under a combinatation of the gallery lights and natural light coming in from the vaulting above, and you can see that its general impression from a distance is indeed somewhat greenish, though not as pronounced as the thumbanail, and certainly not the pinkish version originally supplied in the last nomination. As I pointed out in a *comment* (I wasn't opposing) that image is effectively unsourced as it's given as the museum image in the description, but plainly isn't their image.
    Regarding your comment about assumptions, if that's a reference to gaslight, then that's not an assumption. The museum description confirms it as image bathed in both natural and artificial light: "The study of the moving crowd, bathed in natural and artificial light, is handled using vibrant, brightly coloured brushstrokes".
    I hope this is useful and that at least this time my remarks will be allowed to stand. I can't but help thinking I'm on a hiding to nothing here. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 22:29, 25 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • By the way I like "own works" too. I always link my Commons file descriptions to a framed work if I can find one. I know a couple of Flickr editors who upload excellent images, but they're "all rights reserved". As a general proposition own works can't compete with gallery images, because flashlight and ancillary lighting isn't usually permitted. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 23:09, 25 July 2014‎
  • I had a very valid reason witdrawing my nomination. This picture, that I actually had withdrawn, is too dark. Impressionists painted sunshine. This PDF say that he painted it in the afrernoon. Most painters wouldn't try such a complicated subject to paint both artifical and sunlight (that would make the shadows look like if they were comming from several directions) - and the impessionist most certainly wouldn't. They wanted to catch the light and the sunshine of the moment. And, of course - with so much sunshine one wouldn't be able to see if the lights from the artificial light either, anyway - if the artifical lights were on - because the sunshine is always stronger. Hafspajen (talk) 18:23, 26 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • The museum description confirms it as an image bathed in both natural and artificial light: "The study of the moving crowd, bathed in natural and artificial light, is handled using vibrant, brightly coloured brushstrokes". Not doing very well the museum, is it? Not only does it give the painting the wrong colours, it doesn't even describe it properly. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 19:38, 26 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not Promoted --Armbrust The Homunculus 23:41, 31 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]



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