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Hi success with transplantation of melanocytes something new in 2004??? This was possible already 1987 please check the litterature: 1: J Invest Dermatol. 1987 Sep;89(3):219-24.
Hi success with transplantation of melanocytes something new in 2004??? This was possible already 1987 please check the litterature: 1: J Invest Dermatol. 1987 Sep;89(3):219-24.


==% of people wit Vitiligo==
==% of people with Vitiligo==
The article is contradictory. It says "The populattion incidence is thought to be 1-2%" Then it goes on to say "It is a very rare disease/rare condition affecting 1 in 2000 people". The two statements dont add up. Generally, what I have seen is ~1% of the population has it. But I dont know of any reliable data to back that up.
The article is contradictory. It says "The population incidence is thought to be 1-2%" Then it goes on to say "It is a very rare disease/rare condition affecting 1 in 2000 people". The two statements don't add up. Generally, what I have seen is ~1% of the population has it. But I don't know of any reliable data to back that up.
==Is it a disease?==


:Wokists bloated the number for some weird "everyone is a spectrum, see these moo cow people" shtick. In reality the number is far closer to 0% than to 1%. The source saying 1% simply makes the claim without backing. [[Special:Contributions/124.169.140.225|124.169.140.225]] ([[User talk:124.169.140.225|talk]]) 02:21, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
===Yes===
Please see the definition of disease in a dictionary:

'''Dictionary.com''' - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/disease
disease- a disordered or incorrectly functioning organ, part, structure, or system of the body resulting from the effect of genetic or developmental errors, infection, poisons, nutritional deficiency or imbalance, toxicity, or unfavorable environmental factors; illness; sickness; ailment.

'''Merriam-Webster''' - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/disease
disease - a condition of the living animal or plant body or of one of its parts that impairs normal functioning and is typically manifested by distinguishing signs and symptoms : SICKNESS, MALADY

Also see,
- http://www.niams.nih.gov/hi/topics/vitiligo/vitiligo.htm
- http://www.aad.org/public/Publications/pamphlets/Vitiligo.htm



Is vitilgo an hereditary disease?

"It is hereditary in one third of those affected" [http://www.aocd.org/skin/dermatologic_diseases/vitiligo.html]

Vitiligo may also be hereditary, that is, it can run in families. Children whose parents have the disorder are more likely to develop vitiligo. However, most children will not get vitiligo even if a parent has it, and most people with vitiligo do not have a family history of the disorder.[http://www.medicalconsumerguide.com/primary_care/skin_diseases/vitiligo.html]

Vitiligo, like Psoriasis, is thought to be hereditary. Even if your immediate parents or grand parents do not have Vitiligo, they may have had another genetic issue that is loosely associated with Vitiligo, such as thyroid problems or diabetes etc.[http://www.psoriasiscafe.org/vitiligo.htm]

According to these links it seems it is. [[User:Richard Cane|Richard Cane]] 19:05, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

:I'm a black woman who has lived with vitiligo since age 12 (now over 50) with a sister (8 years younger) who also has vitiligo. In my case, I don't have "significant" gray hair, given that most of my scalp has lost its pigmentation (no gray around temples and neckline; must comb hair to find a single strand here and there at the top of my head; the gray hair is probably due to aging given my age). Passed on by heredity? Dunno, but had once asked my own mother if anyone else in the family has vitiligo besides my sister and me; from what I've been told, an uncle on mother's side had vitiligo. [[User:Lwalt|lwalt]] 07:56, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

I have an identical twin brother and he has never had any sign of vitiligo where as I get spots all over my body. I have contacted the vitaligo society and they are taking further tests. Neither of us have had thyroid or other such problems.

I have vitiligo and am fine with that, like the person under the "no section" but that doesn't make the cause of it any less auto-immune related disorder.

===No===

I have vitiligo myself, and I do not consider it a disease but rather a cosmetic issue (in some cultures). Just because some doctors and pharmaceutical companies try to make money off of us does not make our natural skin colouring a problem! Calling our white patches a disease only legitimizes the discriminatory treatment that some people inflict on us. The only problems associated with vitiligo are sensitivity to the sun and social stigma. But no one considers other fair-skinned people, who are also sensitive to the sun, to have a disease; and no one considers dark-skinned people, who often face stigma in racist cultures, to have a disease.

[[User:Rosemaryamey|Rosemary Amey]] 00:11, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

* RE: Vitiligo is a mild autoimmune disease. I doubt it is the intention of the medical profession to stigmatise sufferers. It has in rare cases been associated with bone-marrow transplants: where a patient receives the immune system of another person. The recipient can be attacked by the donor's immune system; a phenomenon known as graft-versus-host disease. Interestingly, some autoimmune diseases possessed by the donor may also be transferred as the transplanted immune system retains the dysfunctional ability to attack the body's own antigens. Here's a paper on this phenomenon: http://www.nature.com/bmt/journal/v36/n8/full/1705137a.html Fortunately the effects of vitiligo are only cosmetic, unlike other autoimmune diseases such as scleroderma, lupus or rheumatoid arthritis. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/79.71.96.66|79.71.96.66]] ([[User talk:79.71.96.66|talk]]) 22:57, 7 July 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


I don't think it matters whether we as sufferers consider it a disease or not - the article states that it is a skin condition, which should be acceptable to both those who want to maximise and minimise its impact. [[User:DavidFarmbrough|DavidFarmbrough]] 08:44, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

:It says condition now because I went through and changed all the spots calling it a disesase. :) -- [[User:Rosemaryamey|Rosemary Amey]] 23:18, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

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There's lots of good information at [http://www.niams.nih.gov/hi/topics/vitiligo/vitiligo.htm], all of which is PD-USGov, so we could incorporate it into this article. -- [[User:Ke4roh|ke4roh]] 19:00, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure not calling something what it is doesn't change it. By definition Vitiligo is a disease. Let's be objective. [[User:Ijustcan&#39;tthinkofauniqueusername|Ijustcan&#39;tthinkofauniqueusername]] ([[User talk:Ijustcan&#39;tthinkofauniqueusername|talk]]) 19:36, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

== Lack of sensation ==

I have vitiligo. I note that in the areas of skin affected by the disease, that I have noticebly less sensation than in other areas. Is this just me or do other people have this? If they do, then it is significant to be included, I think. [[User:DavidFarmbrough]] 09:00 (BST) 17/5/'05]]

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I am curious why the literature on vitiligo keeps identifying it as a skin disease/disorder when [[melanocytes]] clearly are derived from the [[neural crest]] and are, therefore, an extension of your nervous system. As melanocytes make melanin, they move the molecules along 'dendrites' which are projections of neurons. That should help clarify how you would have less sensation in affected areas of the body.

Someone should add a link between these articles vitiligo, melanocytes, and neural crest.
[[User:Neser|Neser]] ([[User talk:Neser|talk]]) 08:44, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
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BramVdb:
About the lack of sensation...
I have the same impression! Not that it is really a big difference in sensation, but indeed I feel slightly less in the infected areas.

Some other remarks:

1) Also I sometimes (very rarely, like twice a year) have rashes on the infected skin. These rashes seem to leave some new pigments but they dissapear within a week.

2) I am also having other immunity related deseases like mentioned on the website.

3) The hair growing on the white skin also becomes white

4) Every summer the spots become bigger. I don't think it is just a matter of becomming visible because of skincontrast, I think the tanning actually burns healthy skin and triggers new vitiligo by doing so. That would be simular to the way that vitiligo can be triggered by small wounds. In other words, I believe that irritation (by burning for example) of the skin can be a cause of vitiligo. Maybe that also explains why some cosmetic products are said to be a cause of vitiligo. Maybe those products irritate the skin as well.

5) I have seen that several websites talk about a relation between vitamine B12 and vitiligo.

6) I have read 2 contrary things about the risk of cancer! The first source says that vitiligo infected skin does not longer give enoug protection against the sun and therefore can cause skincancer. The second source says that vitiligo patients lose their melanocytes cells. These are the cells that create pigments. Those cells are also the cause of melanoa-skincancer. In other words, vitiligo protects against skin cancer! Recently they have even started curing skin cancer by trying to envoke vitiligo with those patients! (At least one advantage to the annoying white spots)
:<small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:81.245.121.70|81.245.121.70]] ([[User talk:81.245.121.70|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/81.245.121.70|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> 02:31, 20 September 2006

::I have a feeling the spreading is coincidence more than anything. I'm in the process of writing a review article on the development of phototherapeutic vitiligo treatments over the past decade, and the evidence for UV radiation initiating ''re''pigmentation is overwhelming (though there still seems to be little, short of surgical grafting, which could be considered effective for hands and feet).
::First I've heard about vitamin B12, though vitamin D analogues such as calcipotriol have shown some moderate results.
::By the way, ''no one'' knows for sure what causes vitiligo, so if you hear about skin products or anything else triggering it, take it with a grain of salt. Doesn't mean it's ''wrong'', just means it's speculative at this point. --[[User:203.206.183.160|203.206.183.160]] 09:08, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

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I'm a long time vitiligo sufferer, and I too have noticed that vitiligo definitely spreads every time I am in the sun.
[[User:41.241.237.249|41.241.237.249]] 06:43, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

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I wish this article included a list of famous people who have vitiligo. Besides, Michael Jackson (whom I don't believe) the author of "The Lord Lifted Me Despite the Church" has it.

Also, I know Black and Asian Indians who have vitiligo, but I've never seen other groups have it.

The above was added 22 July 2005 by 143.231.249.141
:You won't have noticed it in paler skinned people. [[User:DavidFarmbrough|DavidFarmbrough]] 09:51, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

:Wasn't there some African-American activist who lost pigmentation in his older age and was harassed by the youths in his neighborhood who took him by a white "intruder"?

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Michael Jackson uses -makeup- ?? What's all this talk about bleach then?

== Various ==

Light-skinned people can certainly have vitiligo. It just may not be very obvious, particularly if those people avoid the sun & always use sun screen.

I suspect that Michael Jackson isn't presently using makeup to even out the effects of vitiligo on his skin tone, but has had his skin depigmented.

Although vitiligo itself maybe harmless, it is associated with other more serious auto-immune diseases people should monitor for (e.g. hypothyroidism, diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis).



My father always had small patchs of vitiligo on his back, which would became even smaller when he was exposed to the sun for long periods of time, but never went away entirely. His brother had a severe case on his hands and elbows. Their mother found out she had it in her 30's, and by the time she was 60 the condition had overtaken her whole body. My brothers (30-40) and I do not have any sign of it, but I've hypothyroidism. My father and his family are caucasion. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.36.153.153|24.36.153.153]] ([[User talk:24.36.153.153|talk]]) 22:23, 28 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== India ==

The article states: "The incidence in other countries such as India is thought to be higher." Isn't this just because it's easily noticed in people with darker skin? [[User:DavidFarmbrough|DavidFarmbrough]] 07:37, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


A: While there are no official numbers on this, I see more Indians/S.Asians who have Vitiligo. This is not a case of it being more obvious because of the darker complexion. If that were the case, the above statement should hold true for preople of African descent. Also there is some ongoing debate about how an Indian diet that includes turmeric may influence the development of Vitiligo. Of course, there is the point that there are over 1.5 billion S. Asians and so the probability of finding a S. Asian with Vitiligo is higher.

==Causes, chronic and related diseases==
I've read an article (written by a dermatologist, mind you, but in swedish) that said that vitiligo had been connected with several other autoimmunological diseases, for example [[thyroid]] failiure, [[diabetes]] and [[pernicious anemia]]. I'd like a link to a good english article about this before I add it though... The swedish article can be found at [http://huden.nu/dermatologen/patinfo/21-30/25.shtml]

Also, should'nt there be a mention of the causes of it (e.g. that the pigment cells are attacked by the immune system) in the intro?
''The article does metion Vitiligo is thought to be an auto immune disease.'' The article could use a "Causes" sub heading that explains the different theories for vitiligo in detail.



And last but not least, is it considered a chronic disease? And if so, should'nt that be mentioned in the intro? [[User:Hotdogger|Hotdogger]] 21:14, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Edited to include the word chronic in the intro.

This article should be cleaned up and made more detailed. Something along the lines of the [[psoriasis]] article.

== similar skin conditions ==

I thought one of my friends had this, but upon looking at the article, vitilgo seems to be only ''lightened'' patches of skin. My friend is caucasian and has dark patches on his arms. I was hoping to find a section at the bottom of the article directing me to a similar skin condition... so... is darkened skin patches vitiligo as well, or is it something else? --[[User:Geekybroad|<font color="#1E9229">''geekyßroad''</font>]][[User talk:Geekybroad|<sup><font color="#6B3E99">. meow?''</font></sup>]] 02:02, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

:Darker skin patches definitely not vitiligo (assuming you ar ecorrect in your assessment - i.e. is teh darker patch of skin all that remains of teh norml skin colour and everywhere else is teh lighter skin). That said, for darker patches lots of causes (?whole body or discrete patches, static in size or spreading) and wikipedia is not the place for medical advice, perhaps suggest to your friend that they see tehir pown doctor ? ([[Ring worm]] and [[Pityriasis versicolor]] might be worth checking). [[User:Davidruben|David Ruben]] <sup> [[User talk:Davidruben|Talk]] </sup> 02:28, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

::Sounds like some kind of [[hyperpigmentation]] - pretty much the exact opposite of vitiligo. Then again, maybe he just poured [[silver nitrate]] all over himself :D. Nasty stuff, I can tell ya... makes your fingers look gangrenous... --[[User:203.206.183.160|203.206.183.160]] 09:16, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

== question ==

can vitiligo change someone's genetic makeup? i just have ot ask cause michael jacons kids are white and dont look half-black at all and it teases my brain thinkin about it.[[User:Angelofdeath275|Angelofdeath275]] 05:55, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

:No, it can't. --[[User:203.206.183.160|203.206.183.160]] 09:16, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

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== Psychological effect ==
I don't believe that vitiligo is directly responsible for any psychological effects as claimed in the article. These effects seem to be more socialogical - such as stigmas and vanity, which both depend on the perceptions of other people, or how individuals perceive other people's perceptions. I think the mention of stigmas attached to vitiligo is valid, but rather than call this a "psychological effect", I feel it should be called "socialogical impact" or something to that effect.

--[[User:Man in shack|Man in shack]] 00:33, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


I have to agree with your opinion, I am in favor of a change to "sociological impact" instead of "psychological effect". Numerous articles are available on that topic, I'll try to find one and come back to add more to the discussion and/or article.

­[[User:Francis thebird|Francis The Bird]] 14:59, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

== Psychological Source ==

I wanted to tell one of my personal experiences with vitiligo. I have vitiligo for a couple of years now I'm a student following a bridge program to change my bachelor into a master degree. I'm always under stress.

One of the first signs I had of vitiligo was my skin getting white on the inside of my knees. In a second phase I started to have some white eyelashes. At that time I didn't know I had vitiligo. Sometimes the number of white eyelashes increased sometimes it decreased. It seemed to me that I had those white eyelashes because I was under a lot of stress at that time. I think that was a first sign to come to my conclusion.

Last year I had a simular experience. I just had a long period (about 2 months) of examinations and schooltests. And for the first time in 2 months I saw my girlfriend. We went having dinner together and I spend the night with her. The next morning I woke up with a lot of rashes on my skin. It looked very strange. A couple of days later it seemed like I was starting to repigment. This repigmentation however started to go away again bit by bit, allthough on occasions I have new repigmentations on those same spots. It seems to me that the repigmentation was started because I just had a really good time for the first time in months.

Some say vitiligo is related to hormones, which are related to the anti-immune system. So I think it all makes sense in that way, from my point of view. So enjoy relax and have a good time, who knows what can happen :).

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== Why depigment? ==
== Why depigment? ==
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It's harder than simply "dyeing yourself" the point is that the melanin can't maintain color anymore. Tatoo's don't work either, they tend to jsut agrivate the area then the vitiligo will spread around the tattoo.
It's harder than simply "dyeing yourself" the point is that the melanin can't maintain color anymore. Tatoo's don't work either, they tend to jsut agrivate the area then the vitiligo will spread around the tattoo.

== Treatment ==

I have minor vitiligo on my hands. My doctor has told me that his understanding of current medical opinion in the UK is that steroid cream actually makes things worse. Seems somewhat at odds with the article which says that the "traditional treatment given by most dermatologists is corticosteroid cream" (even though it cites a paper) - [[User:JonRB|JonRB]] 12:14, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

:Well, take a look at this link. It might interest you, and there was nothing written about it in the main article!!!!!!!!!!
:http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=42557&sectionid=3510210 <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/192.167.209.10|192.167.209.10]] ([[User talk:192.167.209.10|talk]]) 18:02, 28 February 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Just thought I should mention that the "Non-Segmental" paragraph of "Treatment" does not state any kind of treatment.--[[User:Hodeken|Hodeken]] ([[User talk:Hodeken|talk]]) 09:48, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

== Lead picture? ==

I'm wondering if we can't get a better lead picture, with the disease more pronouced, such as in this picture: http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2007/HEALTH/conditions/12/18/turning.white.ap/art.vitiligo.thomas.ap.jpg --[[User:Honeymane|<font color="red" face="Old English Text MT, Papyrus">Honeymane</font>]]<sub>[[User_talk:Honeymane|<font face="Klingon, QuigleyWiggly">Heghlu meH QaQ jajvam</font>]]</sub> 20:26, 18 December 2007 (UTC)


'''Vitiligo is curing minimum 6 weeks''' and maximum is 3 months . If all regulations mentioned here is respected the developing of disease is stopping for 6 weeks and withdrawal of vitiligo depending of that which layer of cells from the skin is destroyed and whole withdrawal is happen 90 days.

The healing is recognizing after 21 day from taking therapy where in the middle of spots (Vitiligo) is creating a pigment which is enlarging periphery. Very often is happening Vitiligo to withdrawal after stopping with therapy and explanations of this is in the time of therapy are ordering all systems and Vitligo withdrawal after longer period.

[http://www.alternativnamedicina.com.mk/index.php/en/manuals/manual-for-skin-diseases-vitiligo]
http://www.alternativnamedicina.com.mk/index.php/en/manuals/manual-for-skin-diseases-vitiligo
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==External links==
External links to patient support groups (especially online chat boards), blogs, and fundraising groups normally not accepted on Wikipedia. Please read [[WP:EL|the external links policy]] and [[WP:MEDMOS#Audience|the specific rules for medical articles]] before adding more external links. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 00:41, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

==Eddie Panlilio==
I added this since this priest made history here:
*[[Eddie Panlilio]] - the first [[Filipino people|Filipino]] Roman Catholic [[priest]] to be elected as the 26th governor of [[Pampanga]]. --[[User:Florentino floro|Florentino floro]] ([[User talk:Florentino floro|talk]]) 10:56, 4 June 2008 (UTC)


==P.T. Barnum==
==P.T. Barnum==
P.T. Barnum exhibited "Negroes turning white" in his circus. [http://books.google.com/books?id=K4RUy9Hs6lMC&pg=PA62&lpg=PA62&dq=barnum+"negroes+turning+white"&source=bl&ots=HB0AMiNwr-&sig=3IRHgevVak9ZIUEZbRu-5O4nrUc&hl=en&ei=PP5DStbYL5OwswPD3bTuDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1]
P.T. Barnum exhibited "Negroes turning white" in his circus. [http://books.google.com/books?id=K4RUy9Hs6lMC&pg=PA62&lpg=PA62&dq=barnum+"negroes+turning+white"&source=bl&ots=HB0AMiNwr-&sig=3IRHgevVak9ZIUEZbRu-5O4nrUc&hl=en&ei=PP5DStbYL5OwswPD3bTuDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1]


== White leprosy ==
==Incidence reference==
I'm not quite up on how to create a citation; I looked in this article, and it seems like you are supposed to specify a bunch of information. I found a reference to 0.5% - 1% incidence rate worldwide, on [http://www.medicinenet.com/vitiligo/article.htm], and was going to add it as a reference to the "citation needed" in the opening paragraph, but I didn't have most of the information (e.g. author name, published date, etc.), since I only found it on a web page. Are there articles on how to cite correctly, and how to find the other information needed for a good citation? [[User:Prosthetic.Lips|Prosthetic.Lips]] ([[User talk:Prosthetic.Lips|talk]]) 01:29, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
: I found a review article cited which claims 1-2% (Huggins), I believe this is where the figure in the article came from. However, doing a lit search, this seems to be too high. Nath SK et al (pmid 7977362) point out that the 1% estimate for the US is biased high, and other population-based studies (which would be expected to be more accurate) all show a prevalence of less than 1%. I've updated the article with this figure, and cited the source. [[User:Oasisbob|Oasisbob]] ([[User talk:Oasisbob|talk]]) 18:58, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

== This is "common"? ==

A claim like this requires evidence. [[Special:Contributions/99.148.165.99|99.148.165.99]] ([[User talk:99.148.165.99|talk]]) 05:57, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

== Recent Clinical Treatments ==

In January 2009, Researchers at Banaras Hindu University in India announced the results of a study on 50 patients with Luekoderma (Vitiligo) using a poly herbal ointment based primarily on black chick peas also known as Kala Chana. The black chick peas apparently contain elevated levels of an enzyme that is important in repopulating melanocytes. It is important to note that most hummus in the US is made from the white chick peas (thanks go to the Vitiligo Corner on Nathalie Pelletier's website for corresponding with the lead research team to get clarifications from them on the exact pea/bean).

The most striking result came from one of the people in the study who had 100% restoration of pigment in prefiously depigmented patches in 24 days. Apparently he claims to have increased his dietary intake of the Kala Chana peas during the study. The other people in the study showed significant improvment over the 8 month long study.

This is the first time I have posted on Wiki, so please excuse any mistakes I may make.
This is important research and needs to be put on the main page, I suspect, by someone who is on the task force.
Please find below several links which are useful resources.

Thanks
http://vitiligocover.com/chickpeas-for-vitiligo-straight-from-the-scientist/

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/india-news/banaras-university-scientists-claim-chickpeas-can-cure-leukoderma_100149172.html

http://satyameva-jayate.org/2008/02/20/black-pepper-vitiligo-cure/

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:Y0dEm88yTXAJ:www.zeenews.com/sci-tech/health-medicine/2009-01-27/502035news.html+BHU+chickpeas+vitiligo&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

http://www.newkerala.com/topstory-fullnews-81906.html

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Kala+Chana&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

http://www.medindia.net/news/Leukoderma-Cured-With-Chickpeas-Banaras-University-Scientists-46958-1.htm

http://vitiligocover.com/tag/nathalie-pelletier/

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:bkRDJGQEkDkJ:www.geocities.com/ybtimsbhu/+www.geocities.com/ybtimsbhu&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Alexismyboy|Alexismyboy]] ([[User talk:Alexismyboy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexismyboy|contribs]]) 00:29, 7 July 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
actually this can affect the whole body <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:The man in the mirror|The man in the mirror]] ([[User talk:The man in the mirror|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/The man in the mirror|contribs]]) 14:23, 8 July 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== External Links to clinical images ==

Would it be worthwhile to add links to sites with clinical images of the condition given we only have one photo available on the page?

http://dermatlas.med.jhmi.edu/derm/result.cfm?Diagnosis=45
http://dermnetnz.org/colour/vitiligo.html
http://www.visualdxhealth.com/adult/vitiligo.htm
http://dermis.multimedica.de/dermisroot/en/37282/diagnose.htm <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/208.3.217.201|208.3.217.201]] ([[User talk:208.3.217.201|talk]]) 14:13, 9 July 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Pronunciation ==

How is "vitiligo" pronounced? My guess would be either ''ve-ti'-le-goe'' or ''vi-te-lee'-goe''. Could someone add the [[International Phonetic Alphabet|IPA]] pronuciation to the lead sentence? — [[User:Loadmaster|Loadmaster]] ([[User talk:Loadmaster|talk]]) 21:40, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

: Okay:
:: '''Vitiligo''' ({{IPA-en|ˌvaɪdlˈaɪgoʊ|US}}, {{IPA-en|ˌvɪdlˈaɪgoʊ; -ˈigoʊ|}}, {{IPA-en|ˌvɪtɪˈlʌɪgəʊ|UK}}) is a [[Chronic (medicine)|chronic]] disorder…
: If you're American, choose the one you like; sources are all over the place. E.g.: [[AHD]]'s first syllable is like /vaɪ/ only, while [[M-W]] and [[Random House]] only pronounce it like /vɪ/. [[NOAD2]] lists both, with /vaɪ/ before /vɪ/. —[[User:RVJ|RVJ]] ([[User talk:RVJ|talk]]) 06:47, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Vee-tee-lee-go. It's Latin word, not English.--[[Special:Contributions/79.175.119.238|79.175.119.238]] ([[User talk:79.175.119.238|talk]]) 10:16, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

== source please ==

Where is the source for Eddie Panlilio having the disease? Its not even on his own wiki page <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.32.31.254|68.32.31.254]] ([[User talk:68.32.31.254|talk]]) 02:54, 3 August 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Chlorine version ==
My version.
Vitiligo – is simply result of atomic chlorine, chlorine synthesis from salt anion into skin surface when water evaporate from skin with electrons - skin credit electrons process, skin debet plus charge and atomic chlorine process.

The main cause of Vitiligo is individual redundant electric plus charge of skin for individual chlorine minus anion concentration.

Less chlorine, less water evaporate = more air humidity with electrons ionization, don't live on west beach, live on east beach.

I have no Vitiligo but think that know why .. Earth rotate – electrons quick runs from west to east by the ground and slowly fly from east to west by air water steam.
West beach have more plus charge after electrons runs to east and atomic chlorine (and oxygen) every day do erosion – Norwegian, New Zealand fiords, British Columbia and other.
Excellent places of minus charge are all volcanos like Krakatau, may be.

Atomic oxygen can be created on anode too.
All atmosphere oxygen is creating direct from water on west beach stones with plus charge, not from photosynthesis, atomic oxygen can be created direct into skin surface with plus charge.
Stop plus charge = stop Vitiligo, may be.

Hard Sweden blondes are adapted for living on west beaches into active oxygen and chlorine atmosphere.

[[User:Zgrad|Zgrad]] ([[User talk:Zgrad|talk]]) 20:31, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

== Misunderstanding vitiligo ==

I knew two people with vitiligo. They were both female and with parents, one of whom was Maori, and the other Scottish or Irish. One had her hands and feet affected, the other her whole body. I assumed for some time, that it was purely a genetic phenomenon, where the brown skin / white skin genomic determinants did not completely mesh to give an intermediate colour, but in some skin areas, the mother's or the father's genome took the forefront. (This sort of DNA affect DOES occur in other situations, but it is rare.) Now I realize the truth. The only reason I noticed vitiligo cases was because depigmentation is much more visible in people who have more melanin in their skin, that is, those who are black, brown or yellow skinned people. If Michael Jackson had been white, vitiligo would hardly have been the trauma that it was in his case. White people would be able to use cosmetics much more readily to disguise the effect. Incidentally, I don't regard the condition as being on a level of birthmarks as far as marring beauty goes. In fact, I think it can look quite sexy. But I guess I wouldn't want to have the condition, either. [[User:Myles325a|Myles325a]] ([[User talk:Myles325a|talk]]) 01:06, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

== Comment RE: Addison's disease ==

Stated in this article is the following: "Addison's disease (typically an autoimmune destruction of the adrenal glands) may cause vitiligo.[7][8]". This is a careless statement and needs to be contended because if you click the link to read the Wiki article on Addison's disease, stated is the following: "Adrenal insufficiency is manifested in the skin primarily by hyperpigmentation.[5]:501. It is claimed that Addison's disease is a rare endocrine disorder wherein the adrenal glands produce insufficient(ly). So which is it? It can't cause Vitiligo AND hyperpigmentation. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/38.99.11.219|38.99.11.219]] ([[User talk:38.99.11.219|talk]]) 00:17, 19 December 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Bhutto ==

The wrong daughter of [[Benazir Bhutto]] is listed. It's actually Asifa that has vitiligo actually. I'm going too change it but if anyone doesn't want me too, feel free too change it back :)

[[User:SashaJohn|SashaJohn]] 23:28, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

== Solution in Cuba? ==
This website claims they can solve the problem. http://www.cubaforhealth.com/eng/vitiligo.php Someone from my family wants to go there. I'm kind of skeptical. If they could do it, do they have any journal publication or something? --[[Special:Contributions/67.188.195.216|67.188.195.216]] ([[User talk:67.188.195.216|talk]]) 06:39, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

== External Review Comments ==

Hello, Vitiligo article writers and editors. This article currently a priority article for the [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine/Google Project]]. The goal of this project to is provide a useful list of suggested revisions to help promote the expansion and improvement of this article.

[[User:BSW-RMH|BSW-RMH]] ([[User talk:BSW-RMH|talk]]) 19:00, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

===Introduction===
Overall, this article requires expansion to give a comprehensive overview of the Vitiligo. It currently states that certain theories are fact, particularly regarding the causes of Vitiligo, and omits other theories of equal weight.

The intro paragraph needs to be rewritten to reflect that the cause of Vitiligo is not known but research evidence suggests that the disorder may have from genetic, autoimmune, oxidative stress, neural, or viral causes.<ref name=halder> Halder RM, Chappell JL. Vitiligo update. Semin Cutan Med Surg. (2009);28(2):86-92. PMID: 19608058</ref> I have rewritten the introduction to reflect this.

The statement about melanocytes arising from the neural crest seems misplaced and unnecessary in the introduction. I have removed it.

{{Check mark}} [[User:BSW-RMH|BSW-RMH]] ([[User talk:BSW-RMH|talk]]) 19:00, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

===Signs & symptoms===
I’ve added additional citations to this section.

I removed the claim that, “[[Stress (medicine)|Psychological stress]] may even result in an individual becoming more susceptible to vitiligo.” The evidence to support this is anecdotal and it would be misleading to claim it as fact.

It would be good to add that symptoms usually begin between ages 10 and 30 years.
*What Is Vitiligo? Fast Facts: An Easy-to-Read Series of Publications for the PublicAdditional, National Institute of Arthritis and Musculoskeletal and Skin Diseases, March 2007, http://www.niams.nih.gov/Health_Info/Vitiligo/vitiligo_ff.asp#c, Accessed 7-18-10

symptoms of Vitiligo are:
*whitening or graying of hair (Halder RM, et al. Vitiligo. In: Wolff K, et al. Fitzpatrick's Dermatology in General Medicine. 7th ed. New York, N.Y.: McGraw-Hill Professional; 2007.)
*loss of skin color inside the mouth(What Is Vitiligo? Fast Facts, see previosu citation)
*loss of eye color (Halder 2007, see previous citation)


The non-segmental classifications include the following classes of Vitiligo:
*Generalized Vitiligo: the most common pattern, wide and randomly distributed areas of depigmentation (Halder 2007)
*Universal Vitiligo: depigmentation encompasses most of the body (Halder 2007)
*Focal Vitiligo: one or a few scattered macules in one area, most common in children (Halder 2007)
*Acrofacial Vitiligo: fingers and periorificial areas (Halder 2007)
*Muscosal Vitiligo: depigmentation of only the mucous membranes (Halder 2007)

A section of differential diagnosis could be added to list disorders with symptoms similar to Vitiligo including (Halder 2007):
*[[Tinea versicolor]]
*[[piebaldism]]
*[[idiopathic guttate hypomelanosis]]
*[[progressive macular hypomelanosis]]

[[User:BSW-RMH|BSW-RMH]] ([[User talk:BSW-RMH|talk]]) 01:42, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

{{Check mark}} All of this information was added to the article. [[User:BSW-RMH|BSW-RMH]] ([[User talk:BSW-RMH|talk]]) 02:53, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

===Pathogenesis===
This section is too technically detailed and summarizes selected primary research articles. The detailed discussion of genetic studies is not useful and should be removed. Articles should be written for the average reader and jargon clearly explained, see [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style (medicine-related articles)]].

Instead, it should be rewritten to be a comprehensive overview of the theories of Vitiligo etiology, rather focusing on only the evidence for genetic and certain aspects of the autoimmune components of the disease. Useful references for this purpose are:
* Halder RM, Chappell JL. Vitiligo update. Semin Cutan Med Surg. (2009);28(2):86-92. PMID: 19608058
* Kakourou T. Vitiligo in children. World J Pediatr. (2009);5(4):265-8. Epub 2009 Nov 13.PMID: 19911140
* Gawkrodger DJ. Vitiligo: what general physicians need to know. Clin Med. 2009 Oct;9(5):408-9. PMID: 19886094

[[User:BSW-RMH|BSW-RMH]] ([[User talk:BSW-RMH|talk]]) 19:00, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

===Treatment===

{{Check mark}}I’ve removed the experimental/speculative treatment claims that do not have sufficient scientific/medical basis: Melangenina Plus, chickpeas, gingko bilboa, piperine. To include them here would be misleading.

The sections on sunscreen and cosmetic treatment are fine as is. However I would suggest revising the section according to this outline:
*Topical creams & ointments
**corticosteroids (
**immunomodulators (tacrolimus, pimecrolimus)
**depigmentation (hydroquinone, monobenzone)
*Phototherapy: 8-methoxy psoralen combined with UVA irradiation
(PUVA)
*Surgical options: skin grafts, blister grafting, tattooing

See:
* {{cite book |author=Halder RM ''et al.'' |title=Vitiligo |editor=Wolff K ''et al.'' |work=Fitzpatrick's Dermatology in General Medicine |edition=7th ed. |location=New York |publisher=McGraw-Hill Professional |year=2007 }}
* {{cite journal |author=Halder RM, Chappell JL |title=Vitiligo update |journal=Semin Cutan Med Surg. |year=2009 |volume=28 |issue=2 |pages=86-92 |pmid=19608058}}
* {{cite journal |author=Whitton ME, Ashcroft DM, González U |title=Therapeutic interventions for vitiligo |journal=Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology |year=2008 |volume=59 |issue=4 |pages=713-7 |pmid=18793940}}
* {{cite journal |author=Hossani-Madani AR, Halder RM |title=Topical treatment and combination approaches for vitiligo: new insights, new developments |journal=G Ital Dermatol Venereol. |year=2010 |volume=145 |issue=1 |pages=57-78 |pmid=20197746}}
* {{cite journal |author=Holla AP, Parsad D |title=Vitiligo surgery: its evolution as a definite treatment in the stable vitiligo |journal=G Ital Dermatol Venereol. |year=2010 |volume=145 |issue=1 |pages=79-88 |pmid=20197747}}
* {{cite journal |author=Whitton ME, Pinart M, Batchelor J, Lushey C, Leonardi-Bee J, González U |title=Interventions for vitiligo |journal=Cochrane Database Syst Rev. |year=2010 |volume=20 |issue=1 |id=CD003263 |pmid=20091542}}
* {{cite journal |author=Lotti T, Berti S, Moretti S |title=Vitiligo therapy |journal=Expert Opin Pharmacother. |year=2009 |volume=10 |issue=17 |pages=2779-85 |pmid=19929701 }}

[[User:BSW-RMH|BSW-RMH]] ([[User talk:BSW-RMH|talk]]) 19:00, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
:Reworked above to {{tl|cite journal}} form. [[User:LeadSongDog|LeadSongDog]] <small>[[User talk:LeadSongDog#top|<font color="red" face="Papyrus">come howl!</font>]]</small> 21:30, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

===Notable Cases===
Generally, lists like these should contain only figures that have contributed to the understanding and public understanding of the disease/disorder in question. However, Vitiligo has psychosocial implications because it affects skin color and an extensive list is therefore of public interest. I have removed unverified figures from the list.

[[User:BSW-RMH|BSW-RMH]] ([[User talk:BSW-RMH|talk]]) 19:00, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

apparantly 1 in 200 people suffer from it, including me http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/ate/skinandhair/204975.html <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Andyjlaidlaw|Andyjlaidlaw]] ([[User talk:Andyjlaidlaw|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Andyjlaidlaw|contribs]]) 22:34, 22 July 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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== Edit of confusing parallelism ==

I edited from this:
"the patches can be made less visible by avoiding sunlight and sun tanning of unaffected skin."

to this:
"the patches can be made less visible by avoiding both sunlight and the tanning of unaffected skin."

I'm assuming this is the correct meaning intended. Note that the previous version could be interpreted as recomminding two actions:

1) Avoiding sunlight
2) Sun tanning of unaffected skin

This reading is tempting because "avoiding" and "sun tanning" are the starts of gerund phrases, connected by "and." Yet it seems illogical. If you choose to revert, be sure that you really intend for people to tan their unaffected skin areas.[[User:Zadignose|zadignose]] ([[User talk:Zadignose|talk]]) 07:31, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

== Notable Case(s) ==

The "Notable Cases" section only lists one case. [[Special:Contributions/75.118.51.238|75.118.51.238]] ([[User talk:75.118.51.238|talk]]) 02:25, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

I added two new "Notable Cases" but I somehow ruined the formatting of the See More and Reflist and can't figure it out. Help? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/123.211.231.131|123.211.231.131]] ([[User talk:123.211.231.131|talk]]) 12:40, 7 April 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== notable cases ==
That photo looks like quite an old Michael Jackson so can it really be him in the early stages of the illness. And no one knows when he claimed to be in the early stages of the disease so it shouldn't really say that under the photo as it could be quite inaccurate. am changing it simply to photo of Michael Jackson [[User:Delighted eyes|Delighted eyes]] ([[User talk:Delighted eyes|talk]]) 12:07, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Also the only citation for Michael Jackson is inaccurate does anyone have an accurate one [[User:Delighted eyes|Delighted eyes]] ([[User talk:Delighted eyes|talk]]) 12:23, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

==non MEDRS removal (Vitiligo in the Bible)==
This text has been removed entirely due to it being "non MEDRS":
Doctors are uncertain as to the underlying cause or causes of vitiligo. Multiple theories have been suggested as potential triggers that cause vitiligo to occur. Based on the premise that vitiligo is one and the same with the ancient biblical [[Tzaraath]], it has been suggested that factors involving the dietary and sexual habits of parents prior and during conception of the vitiligo patient may be a precursor to vitiligo development in later stages of the lifecycle of the offspring.<ref>{{cite book |author=Rabbi Peretz Rivkin |chapter=6. Why Jews do not get vitiligo |editor=Yosef Rivkin |title=The Vitiligo Theory |edition=1st |location=New York |year=2014 |isbn=978-1-50-045337-4}}</ref>

I would think it should have been moved into another location on the page and not deleted entirely, as vitiligo patients may find it informative--[[User:Yodnip|Yodnip]] ([[User talk:Yodnip|talk]]) 14:16, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

I think the "Tzaraath" section should be removed entirely. Heading it under "Theoretical causes" and using phrases like "it has been suggested" are completely unencyclopedic. Also the subject moves into religious territory without explicitly saying so which is misleading of the available scientific facts. Please delete or heavily re-word it.--[[User:Jp-hickson|Jp-hickson]] ([[User talk:Jp-hickson|talk]]) 15:31, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
::I disagree that the information is "completely unencyclopedic" as physical trigger-causes have been fingered out as the root-causes of vitiligo. also, what do you mean by heavily reworded? what is your suggested alternative?--[[User:Yodnip|Yodnip]] ([[User talk:Yodnip|talk]]) 16:12, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
:::I have moved it to a "society and culture" section as it is based on religious thought, and not on [[WP:MEDRS]] compliant sourcing. [[User:Yobol|Yobol]] ([[User talk:Yobol|talk]]) 18:13, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
::::Noticing that the source is pinned on talmudic sources and those sources are in a medical format (see Biblical and Talmudic Medicine (Julius Preuss, translated by Fred Rosner), and “Harefua hamikrait v’haTalmudit; chochmath harefua shebTalmud, Rabinowitz), this appears to be a [[WP:MEDRS]] compliant source.--[[User:Yodnip|Yodnip]] ([[User talk:Yodnip|talk]]) 19:56, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

:::Dropped by in response to a request for outside input posted to the Medicine page. In my opinion this is a clear cut example of a non-MEDRS compliant source. The standards are:

::::"Therefore, it is vital that the biomedical information in all types of articles be based on reliable, third-party, published secondary sources and accurately reflect current medical knowledge.

::::Ideal sources for such content includes literature reviews or systematic reviews published in reputable medical journals, academic and professional books written by experts in the relevant field and from a respected publisher, and medical guidelines or position statements from nationally or internationally recognised expert bodies."

:::"Academic and professional books written by experts in the relevant field" would include medical school textbooks and the like written by experts acknowledged as such by practioners in the field. It would not include books written for popular audiences by non-medical experts. I was not able to identify a single peer-reviewed article in Pubmed on the subject of vitiligo that was co-authored by any of the authors of this book. There is no evidence that they are widely acknowledged as experts by practioners in the field of dermatology. [[User:Formerly 98|Formerly 98]] ([[User talk:Formerly 98|talk]]) 23:33, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::Are you advocating (as did [[User:Yobol|Yobol]]) that this rabbinic source is "completely unencyclopedic"? I like to remember that this is not a medicalpedia but a wikipedia THUS this paragraph certainly belongs here on this page as it - at minimum - introduces the notion that vitiligo (as being the equivalent of biblical [[Tzaraath]]) has a [[divine]] aspect to it and not purely medical.--[[User:Yodnip|Yodnip]] ([[User talk:Yodnip|talk]]) 12:13, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
::::::At no point did I say that source was "completely unencyclopedic". You need to be careful who you are attributing words to. I said it was a religious source, and is more appropriate in a "Society and culture" section. It is not a MEDRS compliant medical source and should not be used as such. [[User:Yobol|Yobol]] ([[User talk:Yobol|talk]]) 13:10, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

"Are you advocating (as did [[User:Yobol|Yobol]]) that this rabbinic source is "completely unencyclopedic"? I like to remember that this is not a medicalpedia but a wikipedia THUS this paragraph certainly belongs here on this page as it - at minimum - introduces the notion that vitiligo (as being the equivalent of biblical [[Tzaraath]]) has a [[divine]] aspect to it and not purely medical."--[[User:Yodnip|Yodnip]] ([[User talk:Yodnip|talk]]) 17:12, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Yobol may not be saying that but I am. Religious writings have no place here except in neutral point of view discussions of the religion itself. Remember that some 90% of English language Wikipedia readers do not accept the authority of rabbinical sources. Would you like to come here and read quotes from the New Testament, the Book of Mormon, or perhaps the writings of a Muslim ayotollah when you come to Wikipedia to learn about cardiovascular disease? We have to stick to sources that are acknowledged as authoritive by readers of all religious traditions to the extent possible. Aside from being Wikipedia policy (MEDRS), this is just a standard courtesy that we offer one another in a multi faith culture.[[User:Formerly 98|Formerly 98]] ([[User talk:Formerly 98|talk]]) 16:05, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
::Are you in sync with what vitligo is? I mean ask yourself a basic question: If one wants encyclopedic knowledge on vitiligo, don't you think they should be aware that the bible talks about it? I'd say 99% of viewers would want to know that, regardless of their faith.[[User:Yodnip|Yodnip]] ([[User talk:Yodnip|talk]]) 17:12, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

:::There are a very explicit set of rules here ([[WP:MEDRS]]) for sources that can be drawn upon for medical content. On reviewing these and other rules, I think it would be ok to include this information as long as it is attributed to the beliefs of a particular group and is in a Society and Culture section. (Maybe something like "According to Jewish Rabbinical Scholars.....") If it is used in the main description of the causation / treatment / description of the disease, it is being used as a medical source. And it seems very clear to me that the rules, which have been hammered out by the medical editors here over lengthy debate and many years, do not allow that.

:::Think about seeing a quote from a Muslim or Mormon religious scholar quoted in a Wikipedia article on this subject, and what would make you feel uncomfortable. Then avoid doing that. [[User:Formerly 98|Formerly 98]] ([[User talk:Formerly 98|talk]]) 17:26, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
::Doesn't look like a medical textbook thus doesn't look like an appropriate ref for medical content. [[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 02:38, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
::::Gentlemen, wikipedia is not a medicalpedia and medicine isn't the only avenue of dealing with vitiligo. I would also like to point out that based on what I have seen of [[chazal]]ic literature, if vitiligo '''is''' in fact biblical [[Tzaraath]], then those sources maintain that medicine will very likely '''never''' develop a cure for it, as it is an agent of [[God]] (check back with that statement in 2024, 2054 and 2094, if medicine is still digging for a solution, well..). Regarding other faiths? I don't think any other faith pays recognition to vitiligo as does [[Judaism]], in any event, seeing other faiths quotes wouldn't cause me discomfort - why would you use a tone that it would cause discomfort to anybody by assuming us as being intolerable?--[[User:Yodnip|Yodnip]] ([[User talk:Yodnip|talk]]) 19:29, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::I see 4 editors objecting to the use of this source as a medical source (as opposed to a religious text about a medical topic). Please stop edit warring against what appears to be a clear [[WP:CON|consensus]]. [[User:Yobol|Yobol]] ([[User talk:Yobol|talk]]) 23:17, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
::::::If that's the consenus, fine. But realize that this war started with comments to the effect of removing this information altogether - as I felt that doing so would be a disservice to viewers seeking encyclopedic information on this skin-discoloration phenomena.--[[User:Yodnip|Yodnip]] ([[User talk:Yodnip|talk]]) 00:16, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

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==Tzaraath and Vitiligo parallels==
In continuation of above, it has come to my attention that there '''are''' peer-reviewed academic medical sources in the Russian and French languages dating to the late 19th and early 20th century. Those sources maintain that vitiligo is in fact biblical [[Tzaraath]]. (update:) I have updated with the relevant medical sources and inserted the proposed parallels into a new paragraph - comments?--[[User:Yodnip|Yodnip]] ([[User talk:Yodnip|talk]]) 00:27, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
:When looking for MEDRS compliant sources, it would be best to have [[WP:MEDDATE]] in mind. [[User:Yobol|Yobol]] ([[User talk:Yobol|talk]]) 02:38, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
::Hi Yobol; I noticed the trailer there includes and exclusion or two.., I guess what we need to work out here is just where in the sequence of this page the biblical/medical parralel analysis should be--[[User:Yodnip|Yodnip]] ([[User talk:Yodnip|talk]]) 12:00, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
:::Religious content belongs in the Society and culture section. I'm not understanding why that is hard to understand. Any content that proposes to make a health claim such as proposing a cause needs to be backed up by [[WP:MEDRS]] sources; 100 year old sources do not qualify. [[User:Yobol|Yobol]] ([[User talk:Yobol|talk]]) 13:51, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
We need better refs for "==Society and culture==

===Parallels to the biblical Tzaraath===
{{Multiple issues|section=yes|
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[[File:Buki ben yogli.jpg|thumb|[[Ukranian Jew|Ukranian-Jewish]] born Dr. [[Yehuda L. Katzenelson]], (1846-1917) devoted a portion of his work on [[talmud]]ic medicine to the analysis of the parallels between vitiligo and biblical [[Tzaraath]]]]
Medical discourse in the late 19th century analyzed commonalities between vitiligo and the ancient biblical term [[Tzaraath]] and proposed that the characteristics of vitiligo are strikingly similar to the biblical description of Tzaraath, as well as to the early [[Septuagint]] translation styles of the Hebrew [[masoretic]] biblical text.<ref>Vitiligo: The Bible's Cure, chapter three: Parallels between vitiligo and Tzaraath (ISBN 978-1500841713){{Self-published source|date=August 2014}} referencing vol. 2 of the Russian-language medical journal article titled проказа и песь (translation: “Leprosy and Vitiligo,” Professor Minch, 1890) as quoted by Dr. [[Yehuda L. Katzenelson]] (Лев (Иегуда Лейб Вениамин) Израилевич Каценельсон, 1846-1917) in his work haTalmud V’Chachmas HaRefuah (Berlin 1928 p. 323) [http://hebrewbooks.org/20797 title at hebrewbooks.org]
</ref> Similar observations have been made in early 20th century [[rabbinic literature]].<ref>Dr. [[Y.M. Rabinowitz]], in his French-language commentary to [[Mishna]] tractate [[Negaim]] (legislation du thalmud etc. T.V. p. 403)</ref>{{Failed verification|date=August 2014}}

It was suggested by medieval rabbinic figures that factors involving the dietary and sexual habits of parents prior and during conception of the vitiligo patient were a precursor to vitiligo development in later stages of the lifecycle of the offspring.{{cn|date=August 2014}}" thus moved here [[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 02:26, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
::I see that Dr. Katznelson's reference to Professor Minch (проказа и песь (translation: “Leprosy and Vitiligo,” Professor Minch, 1890) and Dr. Y.M. Rabinowitz, in his French-language commentary to [[Mishna]] tractate [[Negaim]] (legislation du thalmud etc. T.V. p. 403) are obscure; is there a way to verify these non-english sources at their source? (i.e. can anybody search russian and french sources, if not, does that mean they are contrary to wikipedia source guidelines)? <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Yodnip|Yodnip]] ([[User talk:Yodnip|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Yodnip|contribs]]) 13:53, 20 August 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::We want a recent history or medical textbook from the last 10 or 20 years. We do not want to be researching ourselves per [[WP:OR]] [[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 15:10, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
::::The [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Vitiligo#non_MEDRS_removal_.28Vitiligo_in_the_Bible.29 suggestions] above is that this information may be included in the article under a non-MEDRS ("Society and Culture" etc.) section, this need not imply anything medical-related (on the contrary, those sources label vitiligo as [[divine]]..)--[[User:Yodnip|Yodnip]] ([[User talk:Yodnip|talk]]) 16:25, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
:::::[[WP:RS]] stats we should be using recent secondary sources What you have added is primary research / original research. [[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 16:39, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Additional issue is that the language use is poor. This wording "succumbing to '''vitiligo universalis''' at the age of 18" means that they died of vitiligo. You will need a much better ref for that. [[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 16:41, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

==History section==
In light of the finding correlating vitiligo and biblical [[Tzaraath]], I've noticed there is no "History" Paragraph in this article--[[User:Yodnip|Yodnip]] ([[User talk:Yodnip|talk]]) 02:08, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
::This appears to be original research. Thus moved here "In his analysis of the medicinal and therapeutic formulas presented in the [[Babylonian Talmud]], Dr. [[Yehuda L. Katzenelson]] concluded that the [[chazal]]ic consensus as found in extant [[mishna]]ic text is that vitiligo and biblical Tzaraath are one and the same. <ref>haTalmud V’Chachmas HaRefuah (Berlin 1928 p. 323) [http://hebrewbooks.org/20797 title at hebrewbooks.org], p. 339-340</ref>" [[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 02:24, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

== Epidemiology??? ==

An epidemiology section is needed for this article. I will add one soon. If anyone feels like adding it before then, feel free to do so. [[User:TylerDurden8823|TylerDurden8823]] ([[User talk:TylerDurden8823|talk]]) 08:41, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
::That information is already here buddy--[[User:Yodnip|Yodnip]] ([[User talk:Yodnip|talk]]) 14:04, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
:::If you're referring to the small amount of information in the article's lead, that is totally inadequate. The epidemiology of vitiligo merits an entire section and with much better sourcing. [[User:TylerDurden8823|TylerDurden8823]] ([[User talk:TylerDurden8823|talk]]) 04:21, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

==Vitiligo and Tzaraath==
Gentlemen, can we vote on this information appearing in the main article, either under MEDRS or non-MEDRS heading?:

Dr. [[Yehuda L. Katzenelson]] cites the works of Russian Pathology Professor [[Gregory N. Minh]]<ref>(vol. 2 of the Russian-language medical journal article titled [http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%25D0%259F%25D1%2580%25D0%25BE%25D0%25BA%25D0%25B0%25D0%25B7%25D0%25B0%2B%25D0%25B8%2B%25D0%25BF%25D0%25B5%25D1%2581%25D1%258C,%2B%255B%25D0%259A%25D0%25B8%25D0%25B5%25D0%25B2%255D,%2B1890%26espv%3D2%26es_sm%3D122&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&u=http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enc_biography/82968/%25D0%259C%25D0%25B8%25D0%25BD%25D1%2585&usg=ALkJrhibbtgNN57VGpogz05fNMMwfFWJ0g проказа и песь] (translation: “Leprosy and Vitiligo,”, 1890)</ref> and Dr. [[Y. Michel Rabbinowicz]]<ref>[http://clio.columbia.edu/catalog?search_field=all_fields&q=ocn722107289 legislation du thalmud etc. T.V. p. 403]</ref> who concluded that vitiligo is in fact the ancient biblical term [[Tzaraath]] (Minh), and that [[chazal]] opined that tzaraath is in fact vitiligo (Rabbinowicz), respectively. Dr. Katznelson concluded that their respective opinion is in fact in line with [[chazal]] and mishna while not necessarily in line with [[septuagint]] translation and textual works of [[Josephus]].<ref>[http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=20797&st=&pgnum=307 haTalmud V’Chachmas HaRefuah (Berlin 1928), p. 304-323, title at hebrewbooks.org]
</ref> Dr. Katznelson admitted to his 13-year old niece having vitiligo and eventually suffering from '''vitiligo universalis''' at the age of 18, but was adamant that no [[kohen]] (jewish priest) ought ever deem her impure. <ref>[http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=20797&st=&pgnum=328 haTalmud V’Chachmas HaRefuah (Berlin 1928), Footnote 1 to p. 325, at hebrewbooks.org]</ref>

Thank you--[[User:Yodnip|Yodnip]] ([[User talk:Yodnip|talk]]) 16:46, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

*'''Oppose''' with this wording and these refs. <sub>A person dying at age 18 of "vitiligo universalis" is not likely</sub>. An 1928 source is a little old. We should use stuff in the last 20 years for historical content. If no one has made this claim in more than 90 years it is likely of questionable notability. [[User:Jmh649|<span style="color:#0000f1">'''Doc James'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Jmh649|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Jmh649|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Jmh649|email]]) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 16:52, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' current wording due to insufficient refs. We need current refs that place primary sources in context. [[User:Yobol|Yobol]] ([[User talk:Yobol|talk]]) 19:06, 20 August 2014 (UTC)==
::Thx to u guys i got of my %$##$ to find the ref's and who made these citations. Now, and seriously, is Professor [[Gregory N. Minh]] any less an RS in pathology then Einstien was in physics?--[[User:Yodnip|Yodnip]] ([[User talk:Yodnip|talk]]) 19:28, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
*'''Strong oppose.''' As I mentioned in one of the edit summaries, Rabbinowicz makes no such claim. [https://archive.org/details/lgislationcivil01rabbgoog Here] is a scan of his ''Législation civile du Thalmud'', Volume V. In it, pp. 392-394 (472-474 of the scan) are dedicated to his argument that ''tzaraath'' refers primarily to leprosy, not vitiligo, and secondarily to ailments that cause similar scaling of the skin. Look especially at his translation of Verse 2 of Chapter 13 ("''Je traduis donc le verset 2 chapitre 13: «S'il apparaît...''"); with his placement of parentheses, he strongly equates ''tzaraath'' with scaly disease ("''une maladie squameuse''") and then with leprosy ("''lèpre''"). Rabbinowicz appears to believe that the ancient Jews did not consider vitiligo to be ''tzaraath'', but rather something that could appear prior to the development of ''tzaraath'', i.e. the scaly disease. (And by the way, the page you cited, 403, doesn't seem to contain anything relevant.) This casts a serious doubt on Katznelson's account, at least as relayed by you. [[Special:Contributions/108.216.20.6|108.216.20.6]] ([[User talk:108.216.20.6|talk]]) 09:26, 21 August 2014 (UTC)


In India this condition is known as "white leprosy." http://www.yogavanahill.com/diseases/white-leprosy [[User:Sam van lustig|van Lustig]] ([[User talk:Sam van lustig|talk]]) 06:13, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
'''Clarification'''Rabbinowicz went with his opinion that tzaraath is [[Elephantiasis]], this was due to his belief that [[Elephantiasis]] was '''not contagious''' - a notion that was refuted post his lifetime by Neiser in 1879. Rabbinowicz is explained by Katznelson as being of the belief that tzaraath is not contagious, as was [[Gregory N. Minh|professor Minh]]. the sole difference between Rab. and Minh being the latter pinned tzaraath as vitiligo while the former did not.[[User:Yodnip|Yodnip]] ([[User talk:Yodnip|talk]]) 15:08, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
::The new/current wording remains highly objectionable to me: Rabbinowicz doesn't claim in ''Législation civile'' that anyone else believes tzaraath to be vitiligo, either, as far as I can tell. I also fail to see any mention of elephantiasis. [[Special:Contributions/108.216.20.6|108.216.20.6]] ([[User talk:108.216.20.6|talk]]) 19:31, 21 August 2014 (UTC)


== Low stomach acid+B12 ==
<b> Oppose </b> Ultimately there really aren't any MEDRS compliant sources here. Nor can I see anything that really meets the definition of an ordinary [[WP:RS]]. [[User:Formerly 98|Formerly 98]] ([[User talk:Formerly 98|talk]]) 15:40, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' for reasons above. <span style="background-color:grey;color:navy;">[[user:Bakerstmd|BakerStMD]]</span><small>[[User_talk:Bakerstmd|&nbsp;T]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Bakerstmd|C]]</small> 02:08, 21 January 2015 (UTC)


Dr. Mercola, articles.mercola.com
== Prognosis section needed ==
explains low stomach acid and the need for B12 injection is one possible cause of Vitiligo. [[Special:Contributions/2601:441:4980:9480:B086:B5C9:26:E0BD|2601:441:4980:9480:B086:B5C9:26:E0BD]] ([[User talk:2601:441:4980:9480:B086:B5C9:26:E0BD|talk]]) 11:51, 25 September 2024 (UTC)


== "Vitiligo affects around 1% of the world's population" ==
Per [[WP:MEDMOS]], diseases need a prognosis section. Not to mention that for Vitiligo, prognosis is one of the more interesting aspects of the disease. <span style="background-color:grey;color:navy;">[[user:Bakerstmd|BakerStMD]]</span><small>[[User_talk:Bakerstmd|&nbsp;T]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Bakerstmd|C]]</small> 02:06, 21 January 2015 (UTC)


No it doesn't, it really doesn't. This made up statistic is so woke cringe and needs to stop being hamfisted into the intersectional hierarchy - based on this "1%" lie many video games now add characters for this "common disease" at the expense of native peoples. Even the citations state blindly without explaining how they got their "information". Statistically if 1% of people had vitiligo you could go and see one right now at the local swimming pool. FAKE STATISTICS DO NOT BELONG ON WIKIPEDIA [[Special:Contributions/124.169.140.225|124.169.140.225]] ([[User talk:124.169.140.225|talk]]) 02:20, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
==Homeopathy==
There are some serious issues with the Homeopathy section. The study mentioned was not using a homeopathic preparation, so it does not support the use of homeopathy for this condition:
https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00907062
I do not think the results of a single, non-randomised, non-blinded trial belong in a Wikipedia article, either. I suggest this section is removed entirely, or at the very least edited thoroughly to refer only to the original study without the commentary on homeopathy. . [[User:WildCation|WildCation]] ([[User talk:WildCation|talk]]) 08:31, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 02:21, 28 September 2024

Andy Warhol?

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Did Andy Warhol have this condition?

transplants of melanocytes to cure vitiligo

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Hi success with transplantation of melanocytes something new in 2004??? This was possible already 1987 please check the litterature: 1: J Invest Dermatol. 1987 Sep;89(3):219-24.

% of people with Vitiligo

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The article is contradictory. It says "The population incidence is thought to be 1-2%" Then it goes on to say "It is a very rare disease/rare condition affecting 1 in 2000 people". The two statements don't add up. Generally, what I have seen is ~1% of the population has it. But I don't know of any reliable data to back that up.

Wokists bloated the number for some weird "everyone is a spectrum, see these moo cow people" shtick. In reality the number is far closer to 0% than to 1%. The source saying 1% simply makes the claim without backing. 124.169.140.225 (talk) 02:21, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why depigment?

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Wouldn't it be easier and more aesthetic to simply dye yourself all over? I mean, if I was born black and suddenly my color shifted and I had to pick one or the other, I (well, I'd pick patchy, it looks cool) would definitely choose black over white..

It's harder than simply "dyeing yourself" the point is that the melanin can't maintain color anymore. Tatoo's don't work either, they tend to jsut agrivate the area then the vitiligo will spread around the tattoo.

P.T. Barnum

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P.T. Barnum exhibited "Negroes turning white" in his circus. "negroes+turning+white"&source=bl&ots=HB0AMiNwr-&sig=3IRHgevVak9ZIUEZbRu-5O4nrUc&hl=en&ei=PP5DStbYL5OwswPD3bTuDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1

White leprosy

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In India this condition is known as "white leprosy." http://www.yogavanahill.com/diseases/white-leprosy van Lustig (talk) 06:13, 17 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Low stomach acid+B12

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Dr. Mercola, articles.mercola.com explains low stomach acid and the need for B12 injection is one possible cause of Vitiligo. 2601:441:4980:9480:B086:B5C9:26:E0BD (talk) 11:51, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Vitiligo affects around 1% of the world's population"

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No it doesn't, it really doesn't. This made up statistic is so woke cringe and needs to stop being hamfisted into the intersectional hierarchy - based on this "1%" lie many video games now add characters for this "common disease" at the expense of native peoples. Even the citations state blindly without explaining how they got their "information". Statistically if 1% of people had vitiligo you could go and see one right now at the local swimming pool. FAKE STATISTICS DO NOT BELONG ON WIKIPEDIA 124.169.140.225 (talk) 02:20, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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