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==Fraternal or identical twins?==
Can someone specify if they are fraternal or identical twins? [[User:Achen00|Achen00]] 04:39, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
:Fraternal. Assume this if unspecified as only a small minority of twins are actually identical. [[User:Wipkipkedia|Wipkipkedia]] ([[User talk:Wipkipkedia|talk]]) 07:57, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
::I think you misunderstand the use of identical when referring to twins. Identical twins is the more common term used to refer to monozygotic twins and not only to 100% identical twins. Fraternal twins is the common term used to refer to dizygotic twins, which obviously the Bryans are not. [[User:Tvx1|Tvx1]] ([[User talk:Tvx1|talk]]) 00:49, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

==Incorrect statement==
The lead to this article currently states ''"who form the most successful doubles team of brothers of the Open era."'' I don't know much about doubles tennis but I know enough to know that this is obviously incorrect. "[[The Woodies]]" were far more successful for one, and I guess there may well have been others. For now I'm going to remove/correct the sentence. If anyone has any good sources saying otherwise they'd be interesting to read. [[User:Alii h|aLii]] 19:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

:Perhaps not so "obviously incorrect"? While "[[The Woodies]]" have certainly been far more successful, "[[The Woodies]]" are not actually brothers - one is a "Woodbridge" (Todd), and one is a "Woodforde" (Mark).

::Ha, true. I guess that I read straight over that word. [[User:Alii h|aLii]] 11:22, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

==Merger==
As I see it there is no need for individual pages for the members of a doubles team unless they also have singles careers. These two don't do they? [[User:Alii h|aLii]] 19:37, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

: Well, in fact, there is the need of individual pages too. As they both are playing mixed doubles too and are performing well. Bob is currently seeded No. 1 with Lisa Raymond. So sooner of later we will run into the conflicts and will have to put their separate pages. So better not disturb the set-up right now and hang with the current situation without changes. [[User:Yoursvivek|Vivek]] 05:44, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


:They may be brothers but they are both public and are both individual, hence the separate articles are justified.

I think this page should be merged ''into'' [[Bob Bryan]] and [[Mike Bryan]]. They are notable as individuals, not just a team, and having in essence three pages for two people is overkill. [[User:Kolindigo|Kolindigo]] 19:11, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

:I disagree that three pages is overkill.  I think these players each deserve their own page based on their individual accomplishments, and their doubles success deserves it's own page.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/65.213.101.250|65.213.101.250]] ([[User talk:65.213.101.250|talk]]) 20:42, 7 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

::The problem with having three pages is that many people are notable both individually and in groups. Having individual ''and'' group pages for all these people would be terribly confusing. I think that this page should be merged into the two individual pages. This wouldn't mean any less content or "celebration"--both pages could have a section on their doubles accomplishments. [[User:MrVibrating|MrVibrating]] 04:31, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

::::You say having individual and group pages for people would be confusing but a lot of musicians without solo carreers have individual pages and band pages too. [[Special:Contributions/172.158.101.28|172.158.101.28]] ([[User talk:172.158.101.28|talk]]) 19:11, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

:::For what it is worth, I agree that this page is unneeded and should be merged/split into the two existing articles for each of the individual brothers. [[User:Dcs315|Dcs315]] ([[User talk:Dcs315|talk]]) 03:25, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

:The brothers have done almost nothing alone, save a few mixed titles. Having three pages is superfluous. Besides, does anyone really come to this page looking for info solely on Bob or Mike Bryan?  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/74.75.125.86|74.75.125.86]] ([[User talk:74.75.125.86|talk]]) 22:17, 3 September 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:The current setup is great as far as I'm concerned.  They have a page for the doubles team, and then small pages for their singles and mixed doubles careers.  We do the same thing for comic duos like Abbot and Costello; this is the same as far as I'm concerned. - [[User:Atarr|Atarr]] ([[User talk:Atarr|talk]]) 18:25, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

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== Proposed split ==

They are both individually notable. Furthermore, they do not compete only with each other, so this is not a case of dealing with people who are only notable with each other. Right now, there are three pages to discuss two athletes. There should be a page for Bob Bryan and a page for Mike Bryan. [[User:Kolindigo|Kolindigo]] ([[User talk:Kolindigo|talk]]) 02:09, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:It's true that they may be individually notable, but I do think that they are ''best'' known as a tandem. It's not like, for example, Venus and Serena Williams, who are better known for competing against one another than with one another. Personally, I see no problem with either keeping the three articles, or just keeping them as one combined article, with separate sections on their solo efforts. [[User:Stismail|Samer]] ([[User talk:Stismail|talk]]) 20:09, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
:I agree with Samer. They're better known as a team than as individuals. There is precedent for keeping three articles for a doubles team—just look at [[The Woodies]], [[Todd Woodbridge]], and [[Mark Woodforde]]. Woodbridge had a substantial career as a doubles player with other partners after Woodforde retired. — [[User:Dale Arnett|Dale Arnett]] ([[User talk:Dale Arnett|talk]]) 17:18, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

== Twins/Syblings ==

Currently trying to find other examples of "how" twins and/or syblings are handled for other projects.  If you have examples, please leave a link here...[[User:Mjquin id|Mjquin_id]] ([[User talk:Mjquin id|talk]]) 06:36, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

== Working on this ==

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|width="100"|'''Outcome'''
|width="50"|'''Year'''
|width="200"|'''Championship'''
|width="75"|'''Surface'''
|width="200"|'''Opponent in the final'''
|width="200"|'''Score in the final'''
|-bgcolor="#CCCCFF"
| bgcolor="98FB98"|Winner || [[2002 Canada Masters|2002]] || {{flagicon|CAN}} [[Canada Masters|Canada]]<small>(1) || Hard || {{flagicon|BAH}} [[Mark Knowles]]</br>{{flagicon|CAN}} [[Daniel Nestor]] || 4–6, 7–6(1), 6–3
|-bgcolor="#CCCCFF"
| bgcolor="98FB98"|Winner || [[2003 Cincinnati Masters|2003]] || {{flagicon|USA}} [[Cincinnati Masters|Cincinnati]] <small>(1) || Hard || {{flagicon|AUS}} [[Wayne Arthurs (tennis)|Wayne Arthurs]]</br>{{flagicon|AUS}} [[Paul Hanley (tennis)|Paul Hanley]] || 7–5, 7–6(5)
|-bgcolor="#CCCCFF"
| bgcolor="98FB98"|Winner || [[2005 Paris Masters|2005]] || {{flagicon|FRA}} [[Paris Masters|Paris]] <small>(1) || Hard (i)|| {{flagicon|BAH}} Mark Knowles</br>{{flagicon|CAN}} Daniel Nestor  || 6–4, 6–7(3), 6–4
|-bgcolor="#CCCCFF"
| bgcolor="98FB98"|Winner || [[2006 Canada Masters|2006]] || {{flagicon|CAN}} [[Canada Masters|Canada]] <small>(2) || Hard || {{flagicon|AUS}} Paul Hanley</br>{{flagicon|ZIM}} [[Kevin Ullyett]]  || 6–3, 7–5
|-bgcolor="#CCCCFF"
| bgcolor="98FB98"|Winner || [[2006 Madrid Masters|2006]] || {{flagicon|ESP}} [[Madrid Masters|Madrid]] <small>(1) || Hard (i) || {{flagicon|BAH}} Mark Knowles</br>{{flagicon|CAN}} Daniel Nestor  || 7–5, 6–4
|-bgcolor="#CCCCFF"
| bgcolor="98FB98"|Winner || [[2007 Miami Masters|2007]] || {{flagicon|USA}} [[Miami Masters|Miami]] <small>(1) || Hard || {{flagicon|IND}} [[Leander Paes]]</br>{{flagicon|CZE}} [[Martin Damm]] || 6–7(7), 6–3, [10–7]
|-bgcolor="#EBC2AF"
| bgcolor="98FB98"|Winner || [[2007 Monte Carlo Masters|2007]] || {{flagicon|MON}} [[Monte Carlo Masters|Monte Carlo]] <small>(1) || Clay || {{flagicon|FRA}} [[Julien Benneteau]]</br>{{flagicon|FRA}} [[Richard Gasquet]] || 6–2, 6–1
|-bgcolor="#EBC2AF"
| bgcolor="98FB98"|Winner || [[2007 Hamburg Masters|2007]] || {{flagicon|GER}} [[Hamburg Masters|Hamburg]] <small>(1) || Clay || {{flagicon|AUS}} Paul Hanley</br>{{flagicon|ZIM}} Kevin Ullyett || 6–3, 6–4
|-bgcolor="#CCCCFF"
| bgcolor="98FB98"|Winner || [[2007 Madrid Masters|2007]] || {{flagicon|ESP}} [[Madrid Masters|Madrid]] <small>(2) || Hard (i) || {{flagicon|POL}} [[Mariusz Fyrstenberg]]</br>{{flagicon|POL}} [[Marcin Matkowski]]  || 6–3, 7–6(4)
|-bgcolor="#CCCCFF"
| bgcolor="98FB98"|Winner || [[2007 Paris Masters|2007]] || {{flagicon|FRA}} [[Paris Masters|Paris]] <small>(2) || Hard (i)|| {{flagicon|CAN}} Daniel Nestor</br>{{flagicon|SRB}} [[Nenad Zimonjić]]  || 6–3, 7–6(4)
|-bgcolor="#CCCCFF"
| bgcolor="98FB98"|Winner || [[2008 Miami Masters|2008]] || {{flagicon|USA}} [[Miami Masters|Miami]] <small>(2) || Hard || {{flagicon|IND}} [[Mahesh Bhupathi]]</br>{{flagicon|BAH}} Mark Knowles || 6–2, 6–2
|-bgcolor="#EBC2AF"
| bgcolor="98FB98"|Winner || [[2008 Rome Masters|2008]] || {{flagicon|ITA}} [[Rome Masters|Rome]] <small>(1) || Clay || {{flagicon|CAN}} Daniel Nestor</br>{{flagicon|SRB}} [[Nenad Zimonjić]]   || 3–6, 6–4, [10–8]
|-bgcolor="#CCCCFF"
| bgcolor="98FB98"|Winner || [[2008 Cincinnati Masters|2008]] || {{flagicon|USA}} [[Cincinnati Masters|Cincinnati]] <small>(2) || Hard || {{flagicon|ISR}} [[Jonathan Erlich]]</br>{{flagicon|ISR}} [[Andy Ram]] || 4–6, 7–6(2) , [10–7]
|-bgcolor="#EBC2AF"
| bgcolor="98FB98"|Winner || [[2010 Rome Masters|2010]] || {{flagicon|ITA}} [[Rome Masters|Rome]] <small>(2) || Clay || {{flagicon|USA}} [[John Isner]]</br>{{flagicon|USA}} [[Sam Querrey]]   || 6–2, 6–3
|-bgcolor="#EBC2AF"
| bgcolor="98FB98"|Winner || [[2010 Mutua Madrileña Madrid Open|2010]] || {{flagicon|ESP}} [[Madrid Masters|Madrid]] <small>(3) || Clay || {{flagicon|CAN}} Daniel Nestor</br>{{flagicon|SRB}} [[Nenad Zimonjić]]   || 6–3, 6–4
|-bgcolor="#CCCCFF"
| bgcolor="98FB98"|Winner || [[2010 Rogers Cup|2010]] || {{flagicon|CAN}} [[Canada Masters|Canada]] <small>(3) || Hard || {{flagicon|FRA}} Julien Benneteau</br>{{flagicon|FRA}} [[Michael Llodra]]  || 7–5, 6–3
|-bgcolor="#CCCCFF"
| bgcolor="98FB98"|Winner || [[2010 Western & Southern Financial Group Masters and Women's Open|2010]] || {{flagicon|USA}} [[Cincinnati Masters|Cincinnati]] <small>(3) || Hard || {{flagicon|IND}} Mahesh Bhupathi</br>{{flagicon|BLR}} [[Max Mirnyi]] || 6–3, 6–4
|}
See![[Special:Contributions/69.137.121.17|69.137.121.17]] ([[User talk:69.137.121.17|talk]]) 05:30, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

== Davis Cup losses don't add up. ==

The Davis cup section in the 3rd paragraph lists a "20–3 record in doubles matches" and "Their three losses" ... then says they lost once in 2005, once in 2008, and twice in 2013.  It's probably not necessary to list all of their losses individually in the first place, but if they're going to be there, they should add up.[[User:Inukshuk8|Inukshuk8]] ([[User talk:Inukshuk8|talk]]) 17:38, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
: Corrected it. Well spotted. [[User:MiniFats01|MiniFats01]] ([[User talk:MiniFats01|talk]]) 20:18, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

== Year–End No. 1 for individual players' ranking record ==

At the moment it says that the Bryan Brothers hold the record of 6 Year–End No. 1 for individual players' ranking between 2005-2011. I believe that this is no longer true as Mike Bryan alone actually holds the record of 7 after 2012- I've put a note by the record for now explaining this. However, I think that this particular record should be removed as it is now held by Mike Bryan and not by both brothers. Any thoughts? [[User:MiniFats01|MiniFats01]] ([[User talk:MiniFats01|talk]]) 12:23, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

:Agreed. --[[User:Super Nintendo Chalmers|Super Nintendo Chalmers]] ([[User talk:Super Nintendo Chalmers|talk]]) 13:08, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

:: Thanks for the quick response- I'll remove it now. Fantastic username by the way haha [[User:MiniFats01|MiniFats01]] ([[User talk:MiniFats01|talk]]) 20:11, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

== Grand Slam ==

Holding all Slam tournaments at the same time is not a Grand Slam. Nobody considers Novak Djokovic to have achieved the Grand Slam - rather he is 'the third man to hold all four major titles at once'. This should be consistent for the Bryan Brothers.

== 2018 ATP Finals ==

I think we need to clarify a distinction between a "DNQ" and an "Absent" for the performance timeline. In 2018, the Bryan brothers did not qualify for the ATP Finals. The reason for this is Mike Bryan and Jack Sock were ranked higher in the race than Bob and Mike Bryan, and by going down the standings, the Bryan brothers were ineligible to qualify because Mike Bryan was already in the tournament. Contrast this with the 2019 ATP Finals, where the Bryan brothers were in a qualifying (top 8) position but elected to withdraw. In 2018, the Bryans did not have the option of competing and could not have done so even if they wanted to. That is a "DNQ". In 2019, the Bryans had the option to play and chose not to. That is an "Absent". [[Special:Contributions/2605:E000:1309:CD88:F8FC:73A:DB46:C5D4|2605:E000:1309:CD88:F8FC:73A:DB46:C5D4]] ([[User talk:2605:E000:1309:CD88:F8FC:73A:DB46:C5D4|talk]]) 23:28, 1 January 2020 (UTC)