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This page should be moved to Clan Campbell -- Derek Ross | Talk 00:07, 2004 Nov 8 (UTC)

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I came here because I was hoping to link the updated article on Glencoe to this but I'm concerned by this passage. Being Irish I understand the weight of history, I'm not trying to downgrade the brutality of the event and I'm confident we all share a common objective in improving Wikipedia. I'm happy to discuss these points.

In 1692, 38 unarmed people of the Clan MacDonald of Glencoe were killed in the Massacre of Glencoe when a Government initiative to suppress Jacobitism was entangled in the long running feud between Clan MacDonald and Clan Campbell. The slaughter of the MacDonalds at the hands of the soldiers, led by Captain Robert Campbell of Glenlyon, after enjoying their hospitality for over a week was a major affront of Scots Law and Highland tradition. The majority of soldiers were not Campbells, but a roll call from a few months before included six Campbells in addition to Cpt. Robt. Campbell: Corporal Achibald Campbell, Private Archibald Campbell (elder), Private Donald Campbell (younger), Private Archibald Campbell (younger), Private James Campbell, Private Donald Campbell (elder), and Private Duncan Campbell.[22] See also: Earl of Argyll's Regiment of Foot.

There are two major and significant errors of fact in this paragraph;

...suppress Jacobitism was entangled in the long running feud between Clan MacDonald and Clan Campbell...

It is generally accepted by the vast majority of Scottish historians that this claim is simply not true; its derivation is from the Whig historian Macaulay in 1859. I'm happy to provide references if needed.

...The majority of soldiers were not Campbells, but a roll call from a few months before included six Campbells in addition to Cpt. Robt. Campbell: Corporal Achibald Campbell, Private Archibald Campbell (elder), Private Donald Campbell (younger), Private Archibald Campbell (younger), Private James Campbell, Private Donald Campbell (elder), and Private Duncan Campbell.[22] See also: Earl of Argyll's Regiment of Foot...

Claiming anyone not called Campbell wasn't a Campbell is in direct conflict with the Clan Campbell Society itself, which lists all the Campbell Septs, many of which do appear in the muster rolls http://ccsna.org/jsep10a.htm#A11. On that basis, MacIain wouldn't be a MacDonald.

I also have a minor issue with the wording of this sentence;

...The slaughter of the MacDonalds at the hands of the soldiers, led by Captain Robert Campbell of Glenlyon, after enjoying their hospitality for over a week was a major affront of Scots Law and Highland tradition...

There is no argument that it was a brutal act but this is hardly a neutral phrasing; being picky, they were at free quarter (very different from voluntary hospitality) and since there was a law against Slaughter under trust, it wasn't particularly unusual; you don't make laws unless there's an issue.

I mention this because Glencoe wasn't especially unusual - look at the records and transcripts for the Atholl Raid of 1685 for example. So why we remember it is perhaps the most interesting part. Comments?

Robinvp11 (talk) 15:35, 8 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]